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[07:01] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:40] <netrunner> moin
[08:44] <[raphael]> moin
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[09:17] <blindcoder> 100 builds total, 78 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[09:17] <blindcoder> 22 builds to go until next LVP release :)
[09:17] <esden> moin
[09:18] <blindcoder> moin moin
[09:18] <esden> blindcoder: do you know anything about not working imap before smtp on pallas?
[09:19] <blindcoder> esden: yes, it's been a bit jumpy
[09:19] <blindcoder> but I don't know why
[09:20] <blindcoder> it should work, in theory
[09:21] <blindcoder> Mon May 15 09:13:49 2006: updating Mon May 15 09:28:49 2006
[09:21] <esden> blindcoder: humm ... yesterday my parents could not send anything outside of pallas ... "relay denied"
[09:21] <blindcoder> esden: did you try cleaning /etc/postfix/network_table and restarting /root/popb4smtp.pl ?
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[09:22] <esden> blindcoder: nope
[09:23] <blindcoder> will do now
[09:23] <esden> blindcoder: there are two popb4smtp.pl running
[09:23] <esden> is it normal?
[09:24] <blindcoder> yes
[09:24] <blindcoder> it forks
[09:24] <blindcoder> esden: okay, I restarted it
[09:24] <blindcoder> esden: is back in relay again already
[09:27] <blindcoder> brb, switching workstations
[09:45] <esden> woot ... MBP 17" ordered ;)
[09:46] <th> does it have vanderpool?
[09:46] <esden> th: ?o_O?
[09:47] <th> esden: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanderpool
[09:57] <esden> th: AFAIK the processor has the capability ... but OS X does not support it yet ... but it is expected that it will be supported in the next major release of OS X
[09:57] <blindcoder> OSXI?
[09:58] <th> yes i know. it was somehow announced for 10.5
[09:58] <esden> th: ack
[09:58] <th> was there a date?
[09:58] <esden> blindcoder: no 10.5
[09:59] <esden> aka Leopard
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[10:36] <blindcoder> th: could you please apply 2006051209001920431 and 2006050708485389050?
[10:37] <th> 2006051209001920431 ist something i want/need to test before applying it.
[10:38] <th> blindcoder: did you test 2006050708485389050? basically this is how do it in initramfs and that is tested.
[10:39] <blindcoder> th: yes. it boots fine on my test-machine and I also use this method now in LVP
[10:40] <blindcoder> I did not - however - test it with my laptop (wireless LAN firmware stuff)
[10:40] <th> ok. i think that's enough testing (from your side and my side) for the latter.
[10:40] <blindcoder> th: btw, /dev/cdrom not being there was because of 2006051215313077940
[10:41] <th> because of that patch?
[10:42] <th> or because of something, which this patch fixes?
[10:42] <th> i dont really like that patch because it drives us further away from posix
[10:42] <blindcoder> th: because of something that patch fixes
[10:43] <blindcoder> th: ehm, no?
[10:43] <blindcoder> th: read var < file
[10:43] <blindcoder> th: that works in /bin/sh, too
[10:43] <th> ahhh
[10:43] <th> missread
[10:43] <th> sorry i read it as <<<
[10:43] <blindcoder> or at least that's what I'm being told on comp.unix.shell
[10:43] <th> but it's a simple <
[10:43] <th> you're right
[10:43] <blindcoder> ah, okay ;)
[10:43] <th> why does the current cat-way _not_ work?
[10:44] <blindcoder> it does
[10:44] <blindcoder> _iff_ you have cat
[10:44] <th> k
[10:44] <blindcoder> I don't include cat in LVP for size
[10:44] <th> shouldn't every posix-shell be able to deliver a one-liner cat-replacemnt?
[10:45] <blindcoder> yes
[10:45] <blindcoder> but at least in raid-devfs.sh the scripts use cat -n
[10:45] <blindcoder> which enumerates the lines, too
[10:45] <th> ok
[10:45] <th> which is not fixed by 2006051215313077940 ;)
[10:45] <blindcoder> that's also why I didn't touch that yet
[10:46] <blindcoder> yes, but I don't use raid-devfs.sh in LVP, so that wasn't a priority
[10:47] <th> yea
[10:52] <blindcoder> th: thanks
[10:52] <blindcoder> I guess I should reinstall my laptop at some point
[10:54] <esden> humm ... I think I will need a rocklinux build for intel core duo soon
[10:55] <esden> how does it look with building rocklinux under debian?
[10:55] <esden> does it work?
[10:57] <blindcoder> it should
[10:57] <blindcoder> the last devfs-relying code should be long gone
[10:57] <blindcoder> so if debian serves sane software
[10:58] <esden> blindcoder: ok I will test it then
[10:59] <esden> blindcoder: what is the best way to get rocklinux build source?
[10:59] <esden> and which version should I use?
[10:59] <esden> I have not done it in a while
[11:01] <blindcoder> svn co svn://www.rocklinux.org/rock-linux/trunk
[11:08] <esden> blindcoder: thanks
[11:08] Action: esden checking out
[11:12] <esden> humm ... first apt-get dist-upgrade
[11:25] <esden> humm .. debian seems to use udev ...
[11:29] <th> they all do now. even rock ;)
[11:54] <daja77_> gna http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/73109
[12:02] <blindcoder> hehe
[12:04] <esden> gcc misc/rockdialog/*.c -Imisc/rockdialog -lncurses -o src/rockdialog.bin
[12:04] <esden> /tmp/cc4fZkym.o: In function `dialog_inputbox':
[12:04] <esden> inputbox.c:(.text+0x6d9): undefined reference to `__ctype_b'
[12:04] <esden> /tmp/ccrIJyqX.o: In function `dialog_menu':
[12:04] <esden> menubox.c:(.text+0xbb4): undefined reference to `__ctype_b'
[12:04] <esden> /tmp/cc5QQlQj.o: In function `first_alpha':
[12:04] <esden> util.c:(.text+0xa07): undefined reference to `__ctype_b'
[12:04] <esden> collect2: ld returned 1 exit statusė
[12:05] <daja77_> guess you have an old version of dialog
[12:05] <esden> humm
[12:05] <blindcoder> seems like you're missing something
[12:05] <daja77_> or no dialog at all
[12:06] <blindcoder> blindcoder@ceres:~$ mine -q dialog
[12:06] <blindcoder> dialog 1.0-20040920 0
[12:07] <esden> humm
[12:07] <esden> zoidberg:~/rock/rock-current# dialog --version
[12:07] <esden> Version: 1.0-20060221
[12:08] <esden> and I have ncurses5-dev
[12:08] <blindcoder> While linking, the error message "undefined reference to __ctype_b" appears - this is a feature of glibc no longer avaiable in glibc-2.3.2-11.9, but avaiable in glibc-2.2.
[12:09] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:09] <blindcoder> probably also not the cause
[12:10] <esden> humm ... I have too new glibc version?
[12:11] <esden> I have 2.3.6 installed
[12:12] <blindcoder> yes, it seems to be connected to glibc and backwards compatibility
[12:12] <blindcoder> but I have not found a solution so far
[12:12] <blindcoder> ie: what to use instead of __ctype_b
[12:14] <esden> humm ... this symbol exists in ctype.h
[12:29] <esden> aaaha ... you need to add -D__NO_CTYPE so that it compiles
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[12:33] <fake> moin
[12:33] Action: fake using irssi
[12:33] <fake> weird
[12:33] <blindcoder> moin moin fake
[12:33] <blindcoder> why?
[12:34] <fake> because it's the first time i do so ;)
[12:34] <blindcoder> heh
[12:35] <fake> why is 'fake' not highlighted?
[12:35] <fake> test fake
[12:35] <fake> hm, probably it's not if i write it
[12:35] <blindcoder> it isn't if you say it yourself
[12:35] <blindcoder> test fake
[12:35] <fake> ah, now it is
[12:35] <fake>  /hilight
[12:35] <fake> pretty obvious
[12:35] <blindcoder> :)
[12:36] <fake> how do i change 'windows' ?
[12:36] <blindcoder> alt+[1-90]
[12:36] <blindcoder> or ESC[1-90]
[12:36] <blindcoder> or ctrl-n and ctrl-p
[12:37] <fake> ah
[12:37] <fake>  /window
[12:37] <fake> though alt+1 is more practical, i agree ;)
[12:37] <blindcoder> channels that you were hilighted in are displayed magenta
[12:37] <th> esc is better
[12:38] <th> and you go to the most recent magenta (read any action) with esc-a
[12:38] <fake> ah-huh
[12:38] <esden> moin mr. fake 
[12:38] <blindcoder> for windows 11-20 you can use alt+qwertyuiop
[12:38] Action: fake happy it works and has timestamps
[12:38] <daja77_> hi fake
[12:39] <blindcoder> actually, I also setup asd... and yxc... for windows 21-30 and 31-40
[12:39] <esden> blindcoder: perhups you should consider adding -D__NO_CTYPE to the compile command of rockdialog in scripts/Config
[12:40] <esden> or anyone feeling guilty ;)
[12:43] Action: fake horribly bored
[12:44] <blindcoder> go code :P
[12:45] <fake> i'd love to. but unfortunately i can't
[12:46] <daja77_> i know that somehow
[12:47] <fake> i'm waiting for like 100 people who promised to call me back.
[12:47] <blindcoder> ouch
[12:48] <fake> it's not like i want shomething from them i wouldn't pay for. it's just that austrian companies don't quite get that customers aren't just people getting on everybodies nerves, but also the people paying the income.
[12:50] <blindcoder> Warnung! Kunde droht mit Auftrag!
[12:50] <fake> "Echt ein toller Job, Verkaeufer, wenn nur diese Kunden nicht waeren..."
[12:52] <blindcoder> *phew*
[12:52] <blindcoder> lvp 0.5.3 is out the door
[12:52] <daja77_> it ran away?
[12:53] <fake> what could i do?
[12:54] <blindcoder> yeah, it escaped its cage and ran away
[12:58] <fake> symbian signing is a joke
[12:58] <fake> 350$ just to get a private/public key pair from versigin that alone does *nothing*
[12:58] <fake> valid for one year only, of course.
[12:59] <fake> then send the pre-signed app to symbian testing. pay upfront - if the test fails, begin at step 1.
[12:59] <daja77_> O_o
[12:59] <fake> unbelievable.
[12:59] <daja77_> that reminds that I still haven't figured out why mycacert key is not workong with ff
[13:00] <fake> of course, anyone can order the public/private keypair, no verification is done besides credit card billability
[13:01] <daja77_> http://www.unitedmedia.com/comics/dilbert/archive/images/dilbert2006052442713.gif
[13:02] <blindcoder> fake: isn't that how all "certification" programs work?
[13:02] <blindcoder> fake: certification == license to print money
[13:03] <blindcoder> or burn it, depending on which end you happen to be
[13:03] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:04] <blindcoder> we could "certify" distributions that are able to handle the ROCK scripts for 499.89 EUR per release
[13:04] <fake> and user
[13:04] <blindcoder> package updates cost anoth 39.99 EUR
[13:05] <fake> per line of code
[13:05] <blindcoder> "whoops, you updated firefox. we need to recertify your distribution now."
[13:05] <fake> of course, context is counted.
[13:07] <esden> ahh tutty is nice
[13:07] <esden> no not putty ... tutty
[13:08] <daja77_> esden: they are called girls :P
[13:09] <esden> daja77_: lol
[13:14] <fake> tutty?
[13:21] <esden> http://putty.dwalin.ru
[13:21] <fake> underlined text in terminal is displayed with different colour
[13:21] <fake> ??
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[13:49] <esden> fake: I do not know what this feature is for ... the importaint feature that I need is the serial backend
[13:55] <blindcoder> minicom?
[13:56] <fake> linux is too complicated for esden ... hehe
[13:56] <fake> i bet it's embedded compiler / emulator / jtag only-for-windows crap
[14:05] <esden> fake: ack
[14:05] <esden> that is the problem
[14:05] <esden> but I am working on changing that
[14:05] <esden> fake: if you are interested in progress then subscribe to my blog ;)
[14:05] <esden> fake: I mean make yourself an account
[14:06] <esden> blindcoder: that is of course a solution ... but I was eager to see if there is something usable in the windows world
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[14:09] <fake> esden: same reason for me
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[16:05] <daja77_> maddy!
[16:05] <madtux> Danny :)
[16:11] <blindcoder> oi, it's the mad tux!
[16:11] Action: blindcoder hugs madtux 
[16:11] <madtux> rehug
[16:11] <madtux> how is everything doing guys?
[16:12] <blindcoder> great
[16:13] <blindcoder> even though every single muscle in my body is sore
[16:14] Action: daja77_ trying not to fall asleep
[16:15] <madtux> daja77_, why would u fall asleep?
[16:15] <madtux> blindcoder, how come?
[16:16] <daja77_> madtux: had a long talk about the diploma which got a bit tiring in the end
[16:17] <blindcoder> madtux: Naginata training seminar on the weekend
[16:18] <blindcoder> madtux: 9 hours training on saturday, 4 hours training on sunday, 2 hours fighting ken versus naginata on sunday
[16:18] <madtux> daja77_, hehe cool..
[16:19] <madtux> fighting ken.... who were u then? barbie?
[16:19] Action: madtux hides
[16:21] <daja77_> :D
[16:22] <blindcoder> :P
[16:22] <blindcoder> ken == sword, as in Kendo == Way of the Sword
[16:22] <daja77_> .oO (barbie and sword)
[16:22] <madtux> hahaha
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[16:52] <esden> nice ... rocklinux build on debian in stage 1
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[17:24] <esden> nice ... buildlevel 2 reached
[18:14] <blindcoder> esden: from there it should be fine
[18:14] <daja77_> we should add a stage 13 to be executed on debian hosts ;)
[18:24] <blindcoder> why?
[18:26] <[raphael]> daja77_: ping
[18:26] <[raphael]> or, anyone else: with SPL, how can I get to the program arguments/parameters?
[18:28] <daja77_> argv
[18:28] <daja77_> argv[0], argv[1]
[18:35] <[raphael]> daja77_: great, thanks a lot
[18:36] <daja77_> np
[18:36] <daja77_> there is another way i forgot about
[18:43] <[raphael]> daja77_: yup, works just fine :)
[18:47] <esden> blindcoder: I hope so
[18:47] <esden> still building stage 2
[19:10] <daja77_> http://leech.dk/bubblegum.php/isawyou.jpg
[19:11] <[raphael]> And.... how can I check if a string equals another string, ignoring white space characters.... is   string ~== "hello" wrong?
[19:13] <daja77_> try debug string to see if it really contains that string
[19:15] <[raphael]> daja77_: does ~== ignore whitespace chars?
[19:16] <daja77_> i hope not
[19:26] <[raphael]> uhh... .damn \r
[19:27] <[raphael]> is there a function to trim a string?
[19:27] <daja77_> no
[19:27] <daja77_> not that I know
[19:28] <[raphael]> ok... so, stupid question, how to remove whitespace, \r, \n and \t characters?
[19:29] <[raphael]> from a string
[19:30] <daja77_> use regex
[19:32] <daja77_> s/s+$//
[19:32] <daja77_> sth like that
[19:34] <[raphael]>   s/\r//
[19:35] <[raphael]> that's doing someting
[20:28] <blindcoder> FSCK
[20:29] <blindcoder> I forgot to check in the ide-devfs patch into LVP
[20:29] <blindcoder> FUCK
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