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[01:36] <rootaccess> 'rock linux' eh
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[07:20] <blindcoder> moin
[10:19] <esden> moin
[10:25] Action: blindcoder coughs and sneezes at esden 
[10:45] <esden> urgh ... bruagh
[10:45] <esden> blindcoder: you are filthy
[10:46] <esden> blindcoder: when you are ill ... then you have time .. right? ... or are you so ill that you are not able to debug a small thing on pallas?
[10:47] <esden> I would be very thankfull ;)
[10:47] <esden> the topic would be ... "why is localization not working on pallas?" .. is it working in rocklinux at all?
[10:48] <esden> with localization I mean gettext
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[10:51] <blindcod1r> 10:42 < esden> I would be very thankfull ;)
[10:51] <blindcod1r> 10:42 < blindcoder> I'm debugging myself atm :)
[10:51] <blindcod1r> 10:42 < blindcoder> still the gettext problem?
[10:51] <blindcod1r> 10:43 < esden> the topic would be ... "why is localization not working on pallas?" .. is it working in rocklinux at all?
[10:51] <blindcod1r> 10:43 < esden> with localization I mean gettext
[10:51] <blindcod1r> 10:43 < blindcoder> I have no idea since I never used it
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[10:58] <esden> humm ...
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[12:09] <esden> blindcoder: in the $topic build localization works
[12:09] <esden> but on pallas not
[12:09] <esden> I do not know what is broken though
[12:09] <esden> and I need localization badly!!!
[12:10] <esden> kernel problem? glibc? ... or what else?
[12:13] <blindcoder> I can't say, either
[12:13] <blindcoder> never used localization before
[12:14] <esden> gnarf
[12:19] <blindcoder> three hours of cooking and after one plate I'm full >_<
[12:20] <esden> blindcoder: as it seems gettext was not there in the orginal build you used to install pallas
[12:20] <esden> that is _bad_
[12:22] <blindcoder> that may very well be
[12:22] <blindcoder> I remember that gettext was broken back then
[12:22] <blindcoder> so I gave it the boot
[12:23] <esden> *sigh* I do not want to think about the possibility that to get localization working an update of glibc will be needed
[12:24] <blindcoder> *shudder*
[12:24] <blindcoder> why is localization a feature of glibc even?
[12:24] <esden> *cry* I want debian on pallas!!! there it works... also libc updates !WORK! >_<
[12:24] <blindcoder> shouldn't it be in the gettext library or so?
[12:25] <esden> blindcoder: I do not really know what is needed to have localization ... but installing gettext is not enough
[12:25] <esden> that is proven
[12:25] <blindcoder> well, glibc is brainfucked anyway
[12:25] <blindcoder> I mean... memfrob? wtf?
[12:26] <esden> but glibc works ... if compiled and installed propperly
[12:26] <esden> and as it seems the build running on pallas is braindead
[12:26] <blindcoder> well, it _is_ old
[12:27] <esden> blindcoder: apt-get dist-upgrade please!
[12:27] <blindcoder> and the one time I tried a glibc update I had some serious brokenness
[12:27] <esden> gnarf gnarf gnarf ... jumparound
[12:28] Action: esden starts *crying*
[12:28] <esden> but perhups a simple reboot of pallas would solve the problem ... :/
[12:29] <blindcoder> be my guest
[12:29] <esden> ok ... but first I check if the gettext install is ok
[12:29] <esden> and so on
[12:29] <esden> I let you know when I initiate the reboot
[12:29] <blindcoder> ok
[12:30] <blindcoder> and please _do_ a shutdown with a grace period
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[13:04] <esden> blindcoder: will do
[13:32] <blindcoder> urgs
[13:32] <blindcoder> I feel like my head is going to explode
[13:39] Action: esden squeezing blindcoder's head ... the additional pressure should be enough to let his head really explode :)
[13:39] <esden> ok ... I know ... for you it is not funny
[13:39] <esden> I know what headake is ... >_<
[13:40] <blindcoder> hehe
[13:40] <blindcoder> esden: I have a fever since saturday afternoon
[13:40] <blindcoder> with fever induced nightmares and all that shit
[13:40] <esden> blindcoder: I know I read about it
[13:40] <esden> urgh ... that sux
[13:40] <blindcoder> I haven't felt so bad in a long time :(
[13:41] Action: blindcoder wallows in self-pity
[14:04] <esden> ok ... I will now initiate a reboot @ blindcoder 
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[14:28] <esden> re hi
[14:29] <blindcoder> wb
[14:29] <esden> dammit ... it still does not work >_<
[14:29] <esden> grr
[14:29] <blindcoder> :(
[14:31] <blindcoder> looks like we'll really have to reinstall the machine
[14:32] <blindcoder> you could try creating gems for all packages, install them in a chroot and try a glibc update there
[14:37] <esden> humm ... damn ... I have to relaern tons of stuff
[14:37] <esden> *sigh*
[14:56] <esden> blindcoder: how do I generate all the gem's?
[14:57] <blindcoder> mine
[14:57] <esden> s/s
[14:57] <esden> aha
[14:57] <blindcoder> for x in /var/adm/packages/* ; do x=${x##*/} ; mine -T ${x}.tar.bz2 <some other stuff> ${x} ; done
[14:59] <esden> I also need mine -C
[14:59] <esden> but yes that may be correct
[14:59] <blindcoder> you can also use the tar.bz2 files
[14:59] <blindcoder> .gem is just .tar.bz2 with a bit of extra information
[14:59] <esden> *sigh*
[15:00] <blindcoder> I still don't know why we need it *shrug*
[15:00] <esden> yes I know
[15:00] <esden> what I really want to know is what is borked so that locale does not work
[15:14] <esden> ahh ... slowly but I think that I get to the problem
[15:14] <esden> and as it seems it is really a libc problem
[15:14] <blindcoder> -v
[15:17] <esden> wooot it works!
[15:17] <blindcoder> YAY!
[15:17] <blindcoder> what was it?
[15:17] <esden> ok ... what I had to do is: 
[15:17] <esden> unpack the glibc sources
[15:17] <esden> change to the directory glibc-<version>/localedata/charmaps
[15:17] <esden> and run
[15:18] <esden> localedef -i <language_country> -f <character encoding> <language_country>}} ie. {{localedef -i en_US -f ISO-8859-1 en_US
[15:18] <esden> in my case was it
[15:18] <esden> localedef -i de_de -f ISO-8859-1 de_DE
[15:18] <esden> now german works
[15:18] <esden> now testing for pl
[15:19] <esden> ok pl_PL works too
[15:19] <blindcoder> sweet
[15:19] <esden> please add it to wiki!!!!
[15:20] <esden> I do not know what is the right place for that in wiki
[15:20] <esden> the problem resolver for me was: http://wiki.sourcemage.org/HOWTO-Locale_problems
[15:21] <esden> cool splywowicze is now in polish!!! woot!
[15:21] <esden> booyah
[15:25] <blindcoder> let me see
[15:25] <blindcoder> what is  splywowicze, anyway?
[15:26] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:26] <blindcoder> localedef runs for a while
[15:30] <esden> it is a gallery site for my uncle
[15:31] <blindcoder> ah
[15:31] <blindcoder> what we were talking about?
[15:33] <esden> blindcoder: erm ... adding the howto to rocklinux wiki?
[15:33] <blindcoder> esden: I menat the gallery
[15:34] <blindcoder> esden: we were talking about it when I was in Ingolstadt, no?
[15:41] <esden> blindcoder: I think so
[15:41] <esden> blindcoder: this is the gallery that needs to remain private
[15:42] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[15:42] <esden> urgh ... translation mistake found :)
[15:42] <blindcoder> hehehe
[15:42] <blindcoder> nothing like a native speaker to find translation problems
[15:44] <esden> hehe ... right ;)
[15:46] <esden> blindy ... an error for you: [Mon May 22 14:53:20 2006] [error] [client] PHP Fatal error:  Call to undefined function:  imagecreate() in /home/www/generic/nethackidle/makeworldmap.php on line 13, referer: http://pallas.crash-override.net/nethackidle/worldmap.php
[15:46] <blindcoder> ack
[15:47] <blindcoder> that used to work!
[15:49] <blindcoder> why is gd support missing in php?
[15:51] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:51] <blindcoder> strange
[15:53] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:53] <blindcoder> I see
[15:53] <blindcoder> libgd is missing
[15:53] <blindcoder> in the config, at least
[15:53] <blindcoder> not on the host
[15:55] <esden> ohh ... damn
[15:55] <esden> I thought I fixed that
[15:55] <esden> that is why captcha does not work
[15:56] <esden> do you want to fix it?
[15:56] <esden> or should I?
[15:56] <blindcoder> I'm at it already
[15:56] <blindcoder> need to recompile php
[15:56] <blindcoder> guess I did that manually back then
[15:57] <esden> blindcoder: no ... the installed version of php is compiled from rocklinux source
[15:57] <esden> by me
[15:57] <esden> I altered it because of gettext
[15:57] <esden> it was also missing
[15:57] <blindcoder> yes
[15:57] <blindcoder> and I think that I installed php outside of rock sources last time
[15:57] <esden> ok
[15:57] <esden> use rock sources from now on
[15:58] <esden> and alter the php.conf so that it is documented how it was compiled for future
[15:58] <esden> I do the same
[15:58] <esden> and do this also for other packets
[15:58] <esden> so that we know what we have
[15:58] <esden> ok?
[16:00] <blindcoder> I didn't need to change php.conf
[16:00] <blindcoder> just add 'X libgd' to the 'default' configuration
[16:00] <esden> ahh ok
[16:00] <esden> sure
[16:00] <blindcoder> we should add libgd to crystal standard installation
[16:01] <esden> blindcoder: FULL ACK!!!
[16:01] <esden> and I hope imagemagick is also there...
[16:01] <esden> the alternative would be to create a pallas config
[16:02] <esden> so that when we have to reinstall the box then we only have to build that
[16:02] <esden> and then we have everything we need from the beginning
[16:02] <blindcoder> ln -s default pallas
[16:02] <blindcoder> :)
[16:03] <esden> yes the default config is pallas sure
[16:04] <esden> but we should take care that in the config is everything we use
[16:04] <esden> blindcoder: tell me when you are ready with php ok?
[16:06] <esden> blindcoder: you have to start apache once more
[16:06] <esden> when you only do restart after php recompile then it segfaults
[16:06] <blindcoder> will do
[16:07] <blindcoder> okay, I'm done
[16:07] <blindcoder> I did stop && start
[16:07] <esden> good good
[16:07] <esden> thanks
[16:07] <esden> ok
[16:07] <blindcoder> but it seems like apache is missing mod_perl now o_O
[16:07] <esden> oh oh
[16:08] <blindcoder> ah, no
[16:08] <blindcoder> just a missing /var/run/ subdir
[16:08] <blindcoder> or rather
[16:08] <blindcoder> a broken apache configuration :)
[16:10] <esden> humm ... ok
[16:12] <esden> blindcoder: are you still doing something in /usr/src/rock-2.1-clifford ?
[16:12] <blindcoder> no
[16:12] <blindcoder> just sitting there
[16:12] <blindcoder> gone :)
[16:13] <esden> ok ... now it is my turn to mess around ;)
[16:13] <blindcoder> hf
[16:13] <esden> thanks ;)
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[16:27] <[EoDFan]Gurilla> hey all, can someone help me out?
[16:27] <blindcoder> depends on the problem
[16:27] <blindcoder> but shoot
[16:29] <[EoDFan]Gurilla> wel i just installed a new cdrom drive into my va linux server and it wont boot up, it powers on then off. is there a good chance that i have short circuited it?
[16:29] <[EoDFan]Gurilla> i did earth myself.. i hope
[16:30] <blindcoder> does it show up in BIOS?
[16:30] <blindcoder> POST, even?
[16:30] <[EoDFan]Gurilla> doesnt get that far
[16:30] <blindcoder> ouch
[16:31] <blindcoder> cables are fine?
[16:31] <[EoDFan]Gurilla> yep cables are fine, and i used the cables on an identicle server
[16:31] <[EoDFan]Gurilla> *identical
[16:32] <blindcoder> hmm
[16:32] <blindcoder> yeah, sounds like the drive is broken then
[16:32] <blindcoder> if it's new, just return it and demand a new one
[16:33] <esden> ui ui ui ... centericq rock build is borked ... it seems that I have to alter the build process >_<
[16:33] <th> i tried to blame the upstream guys for that
[16:34] <th> the connwrap-0.1 subdir does not like the variable definition in front of the configure line
[16:37] <esden> th: yup
[16:37] <esden> but they have not released a version since an eternity ...
[16:37] <esden> namely from 02 Sep 2005
[16:37] <esden> *sigh*
[16:39] <blindcoder> sounds a lot like mplayer
[16:41] <esden> humm ... the community site also seems to be bit dead
[16:41] <blindcoder> esden: use bitlbee :)
[16:42] <esden> is it better?
[16:42] <blindcoder> esden: it's an IRC to ICQ/MSN/foo interface :)
[16:42] <esden> aha ... and how do I use it?
[16:43] <blindcoder> install it, add it to /etc/inetd.conf, connect to localhost and type help :)
[16:44] <th> esden: it's a virtual irc channel.
[16:44] <th> esden: and the server makes all your buddies from different accounts join there
[16:45] <th> esden: talk to them by query or by prefixing them with "buddyname: " in the channel
[16:46] <esden> blindcoder: is it installed on pallas?
[16:46] <blindcoder> no
[16:46] <esden> th: humm ... interesting
[16:46] <esden> but I do not know if I want something like this
[16:47] <esden> is there no other nice text based icq client?
[16:47] <th> esden: i'm using it quite a while.
[16:47] <esden> humm ... so it works well I suppose
[16:47] <th> esden: why do you want to use more than one text client for communication?
[16:47] <esden> right ... that is an argument
[16:47] <esden> s/argument/point/
[16:48] <esden> ./scripts/Emerge-Pkg bitlbee
[17:01] <esden> humm ... how do I restrict bitlbee so that you only can connect to it from localhost?
[17:02] <esden> ahh nice ... the port is blocked by hetzner anyways ;)
[17:03] <blindcoder> 6667, yes
[17:03] <blindcoder> just move it to 6666 or something like that
[17:05] <esden> blindcoder: I want that it is blocked
[17:06] <esden> that is good
[17:06] <esden> then you can only connect to bitlbee from localhost
[17:06] <esden> that is good
[17:06] <blindcoder> true :)
[17:06] <blindcoder> I also block 6667 from the outside at home
[17:06] <blindcoder> so I can use bitlbee on localhost and all's well :)
[17:07] <esden> ;)
[17:14] <esden> blindcoder: am I visible in icq already?
[17:15] <blindcoder> I'm offline atm
[17:15] <esden> aha ... ok
[17:16] <blindcoder> wouldn't look good if I'm sick at home and my cow-orkers see me online in icq
[17:18] <esden> right
[17:18] <esden> ahh ... now I am online finally
[17:22] <esden> very nice
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[17:22] <esden> it works better then centericq
[17:24] <blindcoder> hehe
[17:27] <th> bitlbee -h
[17:27] <th>   -i  Specify the interface (by IP address) to listen on.
[17:27] <th> make it
[17:27] <th> esden
[17:27] <esden> th: that is a setting only needed for daemon stand alone running
[17:28] <esden> as far as I understand the documentation
[17:28] <th> esden: well it's effect is that only localhost can connect. which is what you wanted.
[17:28] <th> esden: if you use another tcpserver for it. then it's that tcpserver's job to setup it's listen address
[17:29] <esden> aha ... ok
[17:29] <th> esden: you should not use inetd mode with IP_ANY and then expect from bitlbee to block if it's not from ;-)
[17:30] <th> i dont know inetd but it propably has some features like this.
[17:30] <th> i use tcpserver (djb) for it.
[17:30] <esden> humm ... I think I have to read the documentation of inetd
[17:31] <th> inetd can use tcpd as a wrapper
[17:32] <th> some time ago that worked with some /etc/host.allow and /etc/host.deny config files.
[17:32] <th> but i dont like this inetd+tcpd mixture.
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[17:55] <esden> re
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[18:10] <stf^rocklinux> e
[18:10] <stf^rocklinux> [16:29:03] <esden> ui ui ui ... centericq rock build is borked ... it seems that I have to alter the build process >_<
[18:10] <stf^rocklinux> [16:29:25] <th> i tried to blame the upstream guys for that
[18:10] <stf^rocklinux> err, wrong button...
[18:10] <stf^rocklinux> hi all, btw.
[18:11] <esden> hi stf^rocklinux ;)
[18:11] <stf^rocklinux> [EoDFan]Gurilla: maybe the additionial power consumption by the drive overloads the power supply unit
[18:13] <stf^rocklinux> hi esden :)
[18:14] <blindcoder> moin stf^rocklinux 
[18:14] <stf^rocklinux> hi blindcoder :)
[18:22] <stf^rocklinux> hmm, there are some seemingly strange errors in my latest test build...
[18:22] <stf^rocklinux> e.g. in 1-gettext: /bin/sh ../lib/javacomp.sh -d . ./gnu/gettext/GettextResource.java
[18:22] <stf^rocklinux> Error occurred during initialization of VM
[18:22] <stf^rocklinux> java/lang/NoClassDefFoundError: java/lang/Object
[18:22] <stf^rocklinux> make[3]: *** [gnu/gettext/GettextResource.class] Error 1
[18:23] <stf^rocklinux> and in 2-binutils:
[18:23] <stf^rocklinux> file=../../../bfd/po/`echo es | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \
[18:23] <stf^rocklinux>           && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH no -o $file ../../../bfd/po/es.po
[18:23] <stf^rocklinux> /bin/sh: line 2: no: command not found
[18:23] <stf^rocklinux> make[4]: *** [es.gmo] Error 127
[18:24] <stf^rocklinux> let' see if they appear in a vanilla build as well...
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[18:37] <esden> stf^rocklinux: I saw that error on pallas too running make tst or so
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[18:52] <blindcoder> make test is evil :P
[18:56] <[EoDFan]Gurilla> so my drive is screwed blindcoder?
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[21:16] <stf^rocklinux> ahh, gettext in stage 1 (and subsequently binutils) fail because gettext in stage 1 uses javac from the build system (which I borked here)
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