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[09:17] <blindcoder> moin
[09:53] <stf^rocklinux> moin moin
[09:57] <th> jo
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[09:58] <blindcoder> th: what's the state of $TOPIC?
[09:58] <blindcoder> th: anything that I need to watch out for when installing crystal?
[09:58] <th> just test everything
[09:58] <th> perhaps we should finally write down some words on testing procedures
[09:58] <blindcoder> yeah
[09:59] <blindcoder> well, my test would be installing, booting gui, testing sound+nvidia
[10:00] <blindcoder> FF+TB integration
[10:00] <th> perhaps something like starting koffice
[10:00] <th> and not to forget using USBstick
[10:00] <th> or cdrom
[10:00] <blindcoder> *nod*
[10:01] <blindcoder> got some of these here
[10:01] <blindcoder> hal+dbus stuff
[10:09] <stf^rocklinux> the most basic test is to compile the whole thing, of course :)
[10:11] <stf^rocklinux> How about a short checklist?
[10:11] <th> yea
[10:11] <stf^rocklinux> Like bootdisk and crystal build, are bootable, can be installed, etc.
[10:22] <stf^rocklinux> well, I think building bootdisk and Crystal, booting the distro from CD and installing it and finally using it a bit should be good enough
[10:24] <th> and i think we should detail the "using it a bit".
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[10:27] <th> like checking the kde menu
[10:27] <th> testing that su works.
[10:28] <th> blindcoder: btw - your stone module for dm... if i enter it and cancel... then initrd is recreated.
[10:28] <th> blindcoder: that shouldn't happen
[10:30] <stf^rocklinux>  to me 'using it a bit' usually means creating a user, configuring and starting X, building tvtime, testing audio and TV card, maybe printer, and starting some random programs.
[10:32] <th> btw where is the loopback devices in /dev gone?
[10:32] <stf^rocklinux> it's called /dev/loop0 now
[10:33] <th> doesn't exist
[10:34] <th> oh 
[10:34] <th> wow
[10:34] <th> it's not in kernel
[10:34] <th> how can that work at all?
[10:37] <stf^rocklinux> maybe you don't use it?
[10:38] <stf^rocklinux> but strange it's not in the kernel
[10:39] <th> well. i just forgot it. it's not the default kernel
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[12:04] <blindcoder> th: ack
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[15:47] <daja77> oh so blindy is moving too
[17:07] <blindcoder> daja77: yeah :)
[17:10] <blindcoder> me installing $TOPIC crystal
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[20:26] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: at least no big showstoppers this time :)
[20:26] <blindcoder> oh, there are
[20:26] <blindcoder> the udev one and the checkisomd5sum one
[20:27] <blindcoder> and I consider the keyboard layout a showstopper, too
[20:31] <stf^rocklinux> in the debian udev package, it seems those modalias_ files are required only for older kernels, see my latest patch
[20:32] <stf^rocklinux> I can fix the checkisomd5sum one...
[20:34] <blindcoder> \o/
[20:41] <stf^rocklinux> see 2006060320392215120 (it's untested, though)
[20:42] <blindcoder> heh, looks nice :)
[20:42] <stf^rocklinux> sweet, livecd target works again :D
[20:43] <blindcoder> YAY
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[21:10] <th> .
[21:15] <stf^rocklinux> ..
[21:15] <blindcoder> ...
[21:17] <th> sweet
[21:18] <th> the nvidiafb module... i guess there is a depmod call missing.
[21:18] <th> after depmod the modules.alias file should not contain the file and thus udev should not load it by pciid
[21:19] <stf^rocklinux> th: i've written a postinstall script that runs depmod -ae for all updated kernels
[21:20] <th> but that's stage1
[21:21] <stf^rocklinux> th: ok, that's different. so depmod should be run on the initrd root as well (when it is created)?
[21:21] <blindcoder> th: nvidiafb is just an example
[21:21] <blindcoder> th: it's called for a dozen-odd modules
[21:22] <stf^rocklinux> but for me it's not a real problem, here the radeon module is simply loaded afterwards in stage 2
[21:23] <stf^rocklinux> to me it's currently a cosmetic problem
[21:23] <blindcoder> it's a major at least
[21:23] <blindcoder> no errormessages!
[21:23] <blindcoder> I don't care if you just turn them off using sysrq
[21:24] <stf^rocklinux> I don't, I simply ignore them :)
[21:25] <blindcoder> if I put in a cd and the first thing I see are a dozen-odd errormessage
[21:25] <blindcoder> s
[21:25] <blindcoder> I would be _very_ wary of continuing
[21:32] <stf^rocklinux> I think most people would ignore those errors and just try how far they get...
[21:32] <stf^rocklinux> but of course fixing it is better
[21:47] <stf^rocklinux> th: I think we could apply your journal since it does not seem to introduce new errors...
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