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[00:30] <SMP> stf^rocklinux: wait, why are you removing $root/$libdir/lib{readline,history}.a ?
[00:31] <stf^rocklinux> so make install does not create a backup of it
[00:34] <SMP> oh, it's inmake. hmm
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[07:09] <blindcoder> moin
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[13:35] <th> do we still need the /opt/openldap prefix for openldap package?
[13:45] Action: daja77_ not
[13:46] <blindcoder> do we still install openldap into /opt?
[13:46] <th> [ "$prefix_auto" = 1 ] && prefix="opt/openldap"
[13:47] <daja77_> oh hardcoded
[13:58] <mnemoc> .oO
[13:59] <daja77_> hi mnemoc 
[13:59] <mnemoc> hi daja77_ :)
[13:59] <daja77_> mnemoc: my msn client tells me you lost my contact
[14:01] <mnemoc> daja77_: oh :( ... can you ping me please?
[14:02] <daja77_> do you know where madtux is? got lost and drunk during the .cr game? ;)
[14:03] <blindcoder> heh, might very well be
[14:03] <mnemoc> i haven't seen him in the last weeks :(
[14:03] <daja77_> me too
[14:03] <mnemoc> i was waiting for him to bother about the match against .de but he is hiding :p
[14:04] <daja77_> my thought ^^
[14:11] <SMP> th: it's bogus
[14:11] <SMP> th: most of the /opt/$pkg prefixes are bogus, in fact
[14:11] <SMP> th: esp. qt, now that kde is in /usr
[14:12] <SMP> th: better drop it from mysql, postgresql as well. I already did that in a build 13 months ago
[14:13] <daja77_> Building base/mysql [4.1.20 0].
[14:13] <daja77_> :)
[14:13] <daja77_> perhaps we should switch to 5.1 ..
[14:13] <SMP> no, to 5.0
[14:13] <th> i'm just playing with openldap ATM... sucks
[14:13] <SMP> heh
[14:13] <blindcoder> daja77_: perhaps we should push out a release first before introducing major updates
[14:14] <SMP> th: never used it before?
[14:14] <daja77_> blindcoder: yep that's why I grabbed 4.1.20
[14:14] <daja77_> SMP: ok 5.0, the 4.1 updates are delayed ...
[14:14] <SMP> blindcoder: perhaps there should be something to release first ....
[14:14] <blindcoder> SMP: isn't that what we've been talking about for some time now?
[14:15] <th> SMP: yes but at these times. it just worked with my bdb constellation
[14:15] <SMP> talking don't make the bugs go away
[14:15] <blindcoder> SMP: ah, so the activity on submaster must be a figment of my imagination
[14:15] <SMP> th: ah. install bdb42, then try again
[14:16] <th> SMP: i did. but i installed bdb42 in it's own prefix
[14:16] <SMP> erh
[14:16] <SMP> install bdb.4.4 I meant
[14:16] <th> SMP: now i see that setting LDFLAGS is not enough for openldap to use that installation
[14:16] Action: daja77_ slaps mnemoc just because
[14:17] <SMP> th: it used to have a configure --flag to set which bdb to use, I think
[14:17] <SMP> blindcoder: most of that activity is completely ignorant of the real problems
[14:18] <blindcoder> SMP: aaah, so what is the real problem?
[14:18] <blindcoder> SMP: care to enlighten us all?
[14:18] <th> SMP: cant find it
[14:19] <SMP> th: set LDFLAGS and CPPFLAGS ?
[14:19] <th> tried
[14:19] <th>         header: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.2.52: (December  3, 2003)
[14:19] <th>         library: Sleepycat Software: Berkeley DB 4.1.25: (December 19, 2002)
[14:19] <th> doesnt work on libs
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[14:19] <SMP> plus CFLAGS maybe because it's broken and doesn't put CPPFLAGS in CFLAGS?
[14:20] <th> it works with the include
[14:20] <th> doesnt find the correct lib
[14:20] <SMP> ah, I overlooked that
[14:23] <SMP> blindcoder: for example: crystal ships with three bdb version, all of which are outdated, and nobody knows which one really works. if you don't install gcc, no C++ programs can run! the lvm2 package in crystal is entirely worthless, but even if it weren't, the init script can't handle it anyway, let alone load the module when it has to.
[14:23] <SMP> blindcoder: dependencies in the installer are useless. package categories are inconsistent and confusing.
[14:24] <SMP> blindcoder: the init system is crap, and it hardly works
[14:24] <blindcoder> SMP: so you are intimate with bdb, that's nice. because I'm not, so I can't fix it. I'll leave it to you.
[14:24] <SMP> blindcoder: there are hotplug, rockplug and even hwscan flying around, when they all should have died already
[14:25] <blindcoder> SMP: gcc should be installed anyway, the C++ libs should be in a pkgsplit
[14:25] <blindcoder> SMP: deps are a post-3.0 thing, have been for a long time
[14:25] <blindcoder> SMP: init system hardly works? boots fine on all my machines, what's the problem?
[14:25] <SMP> it has to do more than "it boots"!
[14:26] <blindcoder> SMP: rockplug should have died a long long time ago. hotplug has been superseded by a finally working udev
[14:26] <blindcoder> SMP: hwscan is still in use
[14:26] <blindcoder> SMP: so, what's the problem?
[14:26] <netrunner> someone could svn move package/avm/* to package/public/ ...
[14:26] <blindcoder> SMP: what does a init system have to do more than boot up the system?
[14:27] <blindcoder> SMP: and why haven't you posted these problems to the mailinglist ages ago if you know about them?
[14:27] <blindcoder> SMP: or - SHOCK - even posted patches for them to submaster?
[14:28] <SMP> blindcoder: crystal ships hotplug, rockplug and hwscan. none should be used. yet there are people who still put patches on submaster that make use of hwscan in favor of udev
[14:28] <blindcoder> SMP: could we stay with one problem at a time?
[14:28] <blindcoder> SMP: we were just talking about init
[14:29] <SMP> we were talking about udev etc. before, haven't caught up with init yet
[14:30] <SMP> so wait, I'll try something
[14:33] <blindcoder> AFAICS removing them would be a matter of svn rm and removing some lines from /etc/stone.d/mod_hardware.sh
[14:35] <blindcoder> anyway, I got a day job to tend to
[14:35] <blindcoder> bbl
[14:36] <SMP> first of all, there is /etc/initscript. it's crap, it should not be there! all that and what system.init currently does can and should be handled by a sysinit action, instead of doing it in two places
[14:45] <th> checking for Berkeley DB link (-ldb-4.4)... yes
[14:45] <th> checking for Berkeley DB version match... no
[14:45] <th> configure: error: Berkeley DB version mismatch
[14:46] <SMP> ehehe
[14:47] <th> thats just TOO sick
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[14:56] <th> ahhh i should set LD_LIBRARY_PATH as well
[14:57] <blindcoder> SMP: whatever a sysinit action may be
[15:00] <SMP> *sigh*
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[15:00] <blindcoder> SMP: sorry for my ignorance, I'm a user, and from my perspective, the initprocess is fine
[15:02] <daja77_> it is slow ..
[15:03] <blindcoder> daja77_: my gaming station boots in less than thirty seconds
[15:03] <blindcoder> second-to-latest crystal
[15:03] <blindcoder> that includes the 8 seconds delay from grub
[15:04] <blindcoder> SMP: /etc/inittab, si::sysinit: ?
[15:07] <SMP> yes. as a user, please stay away from it. thanks.
[15:09] <blindcoder> SMP: so please speak to the developers. they are reachable at rock-devel@rocklinux.org
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[15:42] <blindcoder> aaah
[15:42] <blindcoder> best coffee is free coffee :D
[15:46] <mnemoc> *g*
[15:47] <daja77_> yeah
[15:47] <daja77_> still waiting for some ..
[15:48] Action: blindcoder quickly invents matter-over-IP and sends daja77_ some coffee
[15:48] <daja77_> thx
[15:49] <blindcoder> so, it's almost 4 PM. that means two more hours of wasting time at work until I can leave
[15:53] <blindcoder> SMP: so, rock/hotplug and hwscan are taken care of. system.init will need a little more dedication than that. any other world-shattering calamities that can be fixed within three minutes?
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[18:31] <stf^rocklinux> re
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[20:29] <stf^rocklinux> Greetings from Clifford! (We just talked on the phone.)
[20:32] <stf^rocklinux> btw. he's setting up a new box for builds right now, and will hopefully soon be able to do test builds again :)
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[20:39] <stf^rocklinux> regarding releases, he basically leaves it to us to decide when trunk is ready for a release, and he'll give us all the official blessing we need.
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[21:07] <wattz> afternoon everyone
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