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[09:08] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-74bc6dd0f19a56b7) joined #rocklinux. [09:08] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Nick collision from services. [09:09] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [12:13] <fake> moin [12:13] Action: fake following up on the installation report [12:13] <fake> network install doesn't work with split packages. [12:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: so basically, he doesn't give a fuck? [12:13] <blindcoder> moin fake [12:13] <fake> moin [12:13] <blindcoder> fake: IIRC it worked fine for me at CLT [12:14] <fake> blindcoder: it bails with the first split package, acl:dev, here. [12:14] <blindcoder> what message? nfs? [12:14] <fake> is $TOPIC current? [12:14] <fake> no, http! [12:14] <fake> nfs works, of course. [12:15] <blindcoder> ah, never tried http [12:15] <blindcoder> didn't even know we had such a installation method [12:15] <fake> http is the more common use case, i guess ;) [12:15] <fake> you can keep the settings from the 1st stage initrd, and just change the CONFIG_ID [12:15] <blindcoder> yeah, probably [12:15] <blindcoder> fake: is there an expplanation on how to do this anywhere? [12:16] <fake> i didn't know the details either, i just tried. [12:16] <blindcoder> hmm [12:16] <fake> of course, stone says 'there was an error mounting... blabla', but gasgui can handle it [12:17] <blindcoder> so basically, you tried some "Garbage in - Stuff Out" :) [12:17] <fake> well, i was pretty sure i heard clifford say it supports http, too, once... [12:17] <blindcoder> well, it would be nice if it would [12:18] Action: fake had a vacation the last 2 weeks [12:18] <blindcoder> and having a mirror-network to actually put the gems on would be even better [12:18] <fake> in case you wondered where i've been [12:18] <blindcoder> fake: oh, I don't wonder about the whereabouts of people important to ROCK anymore [12:19] <fake> the should save you some nerves ;) [12:19] <fake> *that [12:20] <fake> anyway, i'll fix network install today [12:20] <fake> http network install [12:21] <fake> i want a first stage usb stick image creator.. [12:22] <blindcoder> fake: ./scripts/Create-ISO -size 256 usbstick bootdisk crystal [12:22] <blindcoder> dd if=usbstick_cd1.iso of=/dev/disk/<foo>/disk [12:22] <fake> that won't work [12:22] <fake> i tried that first ;) [12:23] <blindcoder> well, I never tried booting off an USB stick [12:23] <blindcoder> but it would ROCK for harddisk encryption, for example [12:24] <fake> and for a rescue / password protection uselessification system on the usb stick i carry with me anyways... [12:24] <fake> usb sticks are usually emulated disks [12:24] <fake> *as disks [12:24] <fake> so they need an MBR [12:24] <blindcoder> so basically installing GRUB on them would suffice [12:25] <fake> well, yes, and no. [12:25] <fake> grub 0.9x wouldn't find it's 2nd stage, iirc [12:25] <blindcoder> and a BIOS capable of booting from them [12:25] <blindcoder> well, grub 2 is basically only useless if you want to boot some !Linux [12:26] <fake> syslinux is just fine. that way, you can add boot functionality to exisiting FAT sticks [12:27] <blindcoder> probably, yes [12:45] <fake> okay, fixing time. brb [13:21] <daja77> hi fake [13:21] <daja77> i just finished :) [13:29] <fake> re [13:29] <fake> hi daja77 ! [13:29] <blindcoder> fake: what files do you get cksum errors on? [13:29] <fake> the 2 font files and the svn checkout [13:29] <blindcoder> (and it seems they changed svn revision 5466 retroactively) [13:29] <blindcoder> of ffmpeg [13:29] <fake> that's impossible [13:30] <fake> well, not impossible, but very unlikely [13:30] <blindcoder> nono, is not [13:30] <blindcoder> changing a revprop (like author) will give a different cksum [13:30] <daja77> fake: now i just need to wait for the diploma :) [13:31] <blindcoder> fake: IIRC, we only delete .svn in Build-Pkg (after extraction), not during Download [13:31] <blindcoder> and right now, I keep getting different cksums for ever svn co [13:31] <fake> blindcoder: it doesn't build, anyways ;) [13:31] <fake> blindcoder: that's why we X checkouts ;) [13:32] <fake> Running main build function 'build_this_package' ... [13:32] <fake> Creating /usr/<..> if required ... [13:32] <fake> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/rock/trunk/src.mplayer.1150197732.1862.303 [13:32] <fake> 534144/MPlayer-1.0pre8/libavcodec' [13:32] <fake> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/rock/trunk/src.mplayer.1150197732.1862.303 [13:32] <fake> 534144/MPlayer-1.0pre8/libavformat' [13:32] <blindcoder> fake: okay [13:32] <fake> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/rock/trunk/src.mplayer.1150197732.1862.303 [13:32] <fake> 534144/MPlayer-1.0pre8/libavutil' [13:32] <blindcoder> well, it's stated as UNTESTED :) [13:33] <fake> blindcoder: and that's why i tested it ;) [13:34] <blindcoder> fake: did you also test the fooplug removal? [13:34] <daja77> .oO (when I calm down again i could finish that mysql patch) [13:34] <fake> disk1.txt in $TOPIC: [13:34] <fake> mkisofs: The option '-P' is reserved by POSIX.1-2001. [13:34] <fake> mkisofs: The option '-P' means 'do not follow symbolic links'. [13:34] <fake> mkisofs: Mkisofs-2.02 will introduce POSIX semantics for '-P'. [13:34] <fake> mkisofs: Use -publisher in future to get old mkisofs behavior. [13:34] <blindcoder> daja77: high on coffee? [13:34] <daja77> blindcoder: no, i finished the diploma today :) [13:35] <blindcoder> yeah [13:35] <blindcoder> that message is there for a long time already [13:35] <blindcoder> fake: ah, so high on drugs :) [13:35] <blindcoder> s/fake/daja77/ [13:35] <fake> freudscher... [13:35] <daja77> blindcoder: sort of, got a 1,4 [13:35] <fake> weeee! [13:35] <blindcoder> luck hormones == drugs [13:36] <blindcoder> fake: you gonna patch that mkisofs thing or should I? [13:38] <fake> i don't have the time right now, for the mplayer fix, neither [13:38] <fake> sry [13:38] <blindcoder> well, won't have time for mplayer either [13:38] <blindcoder> but I'll do the mkisofs thing [13:42] <blindcoder> back to work [13:48] mnemoc (n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de) left irc: "leaving" [13:55] mnemoc (n=amery@kilo105.server4you.de) joined #rocklinux. [14:16] Nick change: th__ -> th [14:20] <fake> hi th! [14:20] <th> hi fake [14:33] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: clifford more or less literally said that release management is a hat he doesn't mind to wear (because he's confident with trunk). I guess he trusts us enough to do it right. I think that's good because this way the people wo care about doing releases every now and then are also responsible for them. [14:49] <stf^rocklinux> so while we're at it, I'm running $topic as my main linux installation without problems... [14:51] <stf^rocklinux> I think it's time for a release :) [14:52] <mnemoc> 3.0? 2.1? 2.0.x? [14:52] <stf^rocklinux> afaik most suggested 3.0 [14:52] <stf^rocklinux> and I'm confident with that [14:53] <mnemoc> and which are the plans after that release? going for 4.0? or 3.1? ,-) [14:54] <th> i think obeying last CLT meeting would name a release r7663 [14:54] <mnemoc> imo those releases sound like random snapshots [14:55] <stf^rocklinux> mnemoc: they're not. we have been working since march to test trunk and apply bug-fixes. We also have a de facto feature freeze on trunk atm. [14:56] <mnemoc> i know, i'm just talking about the release version [14:56] <stf^rocklinux> th: 3.0 just sounds better than r7663. Also it'd be good to tag the repository imo. [14:56] <mnemoc> as an external [14:56] <stf^rocklinux> mnemoc: ah, ok. I agreed with that. [14:56] <stf^rocklinux> s/agreed/agree [14:59] <stf^rocklinux> th: we can still include the svn revision in the release name... [14:59] <th> i'm not stating my opinion(s) (yet). [14:59] <th> i was just throwing in some facts [15:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: I have to admit I can't really remember what we decided on the release naming at CLT :( [15:01] <th> we said that we dont do releases but only throw out revisions from time to time [15:01] <th> and that we dont branch [15:02] <fake> version numbers implicate compatibility we don't guarantee. we have been over this... [15:03] <th> yes - that was the reasoning [15:04] <mnemoc> ic [15:04] <fake> we could name it rock linux v3 though [15:04] <mnemoc> and then v4? [15:04] <th> that would be my opinion as wlel [15:04] <stf^rocklinux> or give it a codename [15:05] <fake> rock linux "long dick" r7663 ? [15:05] <stf^rocklinux> ok, I'm fine with r7663 too. [15:05] <fake> ;-)) [15:06] <stf^rocklinux> maybe "bugbear" or "penguin-killer". that should bring us some attention ^^ [15:06] <fake> bloodsucking release from outer space? [15:06] <fake> (the 'bloodsucking zombies from outer space' are a austrian industrial band ;) [15:06] <fake> s/a/an/ [15:06] <fake> no, not spance. [15:07] <fake> i'm just kidding. [15:07] <fake> r7663 is fine with me [15:07] <stf^rocklinux> fake: s,s/a/an/,s/ a / an /, ;) [15:07] <mnemoc> ^_^ [15:08] <stf^rocklinux> with me too. Just call it official. I could edit the Wiki as appropriate. [15:09] <fake> btw, i agree that $TOPIC is nice! [15:10] <stf^rocklinux> A livecd build based on r7663 is almost finished here. I could upload that, too. [15:10] <stf^rocklinux> Or better, have it uploaded by one of you. [15:10] <fake> please do - and thanks for all the work... [15:10] <fake> i'll be glad to upload it [15:11] <th> i'd like to build everything what we release before [15:11] <th> and test it too [15:11] <th> had no time for testing this long [15:11] <th> but when you all say its near to a release or something than i'd like to take the time [15:11] <th> finally [15:11] <fake> please do so [15:12] <th> so we want: crystal, bbs, livecd? [15:12] <th> and bbs as tar-archives perhaps? [15:12] <fake> bbs + crystal [15:12] <th> ok [15:12] <fake> livecd isn't necessarily leeded [15:12] <fake> *needed [15:12] <th> but when it works cool [15:12] <fake> i've been out of sync with my releases forever [15:12] <th> ok [15:12] <fake> but if we have one... that would be nice. [15:13] <th> it's only that i heared rumors that something is working there [15:13] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm doing the vanilla livecd build anyways [15:13] <fake> i could put some effort into building a ppc version again [15:13] <th> ppc? whos has ppc these days? ;-) [15:13] <fake> th: poor students like esden *g* [15:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: that'd be cool. then I can finally test qemu-ppc :) [15:13] <th> ahh ok [15:13] <fake> stf^rocklinux: you want pearpc. [15:13] <th> how is 64bit status, fake? [15:14] <fake> th: still no 64 bit bootloader [15:14] <fake> so some more toolchain work is needed, but i don't really consider it a priority... [15:17] <fake> daja77: can i use scanners with crystal? [15:18] <fake> there is kooka, and sane is on there, too [15:18] <fake> sane-find-scanner finds my scanner [15:18] <fake> but now what? [15:18] <fake> if i click 'choose input device' in kooka, nothing happens... [15:23] <stf^rocklinux> fake: maybe the device is root-only? [15:24] <fake> nope [15:24] <fake> scanimage works [15:24] <fake> it's libusb [15:24] <fake> oh, i'm root [15:24] <fake> wait [15:27] <fake> yep, that seems to be the problem [15:27] <fake> hm. [15:27] <stf^rocklinux> add a new group? [15:28] <fake> libusb accesses /dev/bus/usb/* ? [15:33] <stf^rocklinux> no idea... [15:34] <fake> i found some hints [15:35] <fake> udev rule: SYSFS{idVendor}=="04a9", SYSFS{idProduct}=="221c", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner" [15:35] <fake> ;) [15:38] <stf^rocklinux> what's with this rule? The non-existent group? [15:38] <fake> no, i just added this to my udev rules. that way, no matter which device files are created, they will be of group scanner ;) [15:38] <fake> if they were related to the device with the given usb ids [15:40] <fake> still i can't scan as user [15:40] <fake> grml [15:42] <stf^rocklinux> did you reload the rules, add the scanner group and logged in again as a member of the scanner group? [15:47] <fake> sure. [15:47] <fake> the problem is the 'device' file in usbfs [15:49] <fake> i guess [15:57] <fake> the solution: [15:57] <fake> mount --bind /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb [15:58] <stf^rocklinux> /proc/bus/usb is empty here, but usb mouse and printer still work [15:58] <stf^rocklinux> strange [15:59] <fake> stf^rocklinux: you only need that for libusb devices [15:59] <fake> mouse is mapped by a kernel driver [15:59] <fake> printer probably too [15:59] <fake> but scanners and small usb gadgets don't get an own kernel driver. [15:59] <fake> mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb [15:59] <fake> that's the 'usual' way [16:00] <fake> the problem is that no permission handling is done at all. [16:00] <stf^rocklinux> is usbfs obsolete with udev? [16:01] <fake> yes, you can have all the features of usbfs and more with udev. we already emulate the functionality in /dev/bus/usb [16:03] <stf^rocklinux> ah, good. maybe add an initscript that does the mount --bind, then? [16:04] <fake> /dev/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type none (rw,bind) [16:04] <fake> narf [16:04] <fake> /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb none bind 0 0 [16:04] <fake> in /etc/fstab [16:06] <stf^rocklinux> that should do as well :) [16:07] <fake> we should add a usb directory to /lib/udev/devices, though [16:07] <fake> in case no usb bus exists, the directory would be missing [16:08] <stf^rocklinux> indeed [16:23] <stf^rocklinux> ahh, summer at last! The sun is certainly stressing the cooling of my PC right now :) [16:31] <blindcoder> re [16:31] <fake> i could use my flat as a server room... [16:32] <fake> i would freeze without a 'pulli' right now [16:32] <fake> my feet are cold [16:32] <blindcoder> fake: I can't remove enough clothing to feel comfortable in the current heat... [16:33] <fake> old building, 1.5 m thick walls, basement, windows only into the 'hof', so no direct sun [16:34] <fake> takes time to heat up... [16:37] <blindcoder> ah, okay [16:38] <blindcoder> 1953 building, top floor, windows to all but north side [16:38] <blindcoder> heats up instantly [16:39] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I added some clarifications to the ROCK_Sonar page [16:39] <stf^rocklinux> thx [17:05] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:05] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/session/direct/x-b02352cd36e3713c) joined #rocklinux. [17:10] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-035-79.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:11] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-035-79.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #rocklinux. [17:14] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-035-79.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:16] stf^rocklinux (n=user@heim-035-79.raab-heim.uni-linz.ac.at) joined #rocklinux. [17:54] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) joined #rocklinux. 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