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[08:03] <blindcoder> moin
[08:13] <stf^rocklinux> moin moin
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[12:13] <fake> moin
[12:13] Action: fake following up on the installation report
[12:13] <fake> network install doesn't work with split packages. 
[12:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: so basically, he doesn't give a fuck?
[12:13] <blindcoder> moin fake 
[12:13] <fake> moin
[12:13] <blindcoder> fake: IIRC it worked fine for me at CLT
[12:14] <fake> blindcoder: it bails with the first split package, acl:dev, here.
[12:14] <blindcoder> what message? nfs?
[12:14] <fake> is $TOPIC current?
[12:14] <fake> no, http!
[12:14] <fake> nfs works, of course.
[12:15] <blindcoder> ah, never tried http
[12:15] <blindcoder> didn't even know we had such a installation method
[12:15] <fake> http is the more common use case, i guess ;)
[12:15] <fake> you can keep the settings from the 1st stage initrd, and just change the CONFIG_ID
[12:15] <blindcoder> yeah, probably
[12:15] <blindcoder> fake: is there an expplanation on how to do this anywhere?
[12:16] <fake> i didn't know the details either, i just tried.
[12:16] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:16] <fake> of course, stone says 'there was an error mounting... blabla', but gasgui can handle it
[12:17] <blindcoder> so basically, you tried some "Garbage in - Stuff Out" :)
[12:17] <fake> well, i was pretty sure i heard clifford say it supports http, too, once...
[12:17] <blindcoder> well, it would be nice if it would
[12:18] Action: fake had a vacation the last 2 weeks
[12:18] <blindcoder> and having a mirror-network to actually put the gems on would be even better
[12:18] <fake> in case you wondered where i've been
[12:18] <blindcoder> fake: oh, I don't wonder about the whereabouts of people important to ROCK anymore
[12:19] <fake> the should save you some nerves ;)
[12:19] <fake> *that
[12:20] <fake> anyway, i'll fix network install today
[12:20] <fake> http network install
[12:21] <fake> i want a first stage usb stick image creator..
[12:22] <blindcoder> fake: ./scripts/Create-ISO -size 256 usbstick bootdisk crystal
[12:22] <blindcoder> dd if=usbstick_cd1.iso of=/dev/disk/<foo>/disk
[12:22] <fake> that won't work
[12:22] <fake> i tried that first ;)
[12:23] <blindcoder> well, I never tried booting off an USB stick
[12:23] <blindcoder> but it would ROCK for harddisk encryption, for example
[12:24] <fake> and for a rescue / password protection uselessification system on the usb stick i carry with me anyways...
[12:24] <fake> usb sticks are usually emulated disks
[12:24] <fake> *as disks
[12:24] <fake> so they need an MBR
[12:24] <blindcoder> so basically installing GRUB on them would suffice
[12:25] <fake> well, yes, and no.
[12:25] <fake> grub 0.9x wouldn't find it's 2nd stage, iirc
[12:25] <blindcoder> and a BIOS capable of booting from them
[12:25] <blindcoder> well, grub 2 is basically only useless if you want to boot some !Linux
[12:26] <fake> syslinux is just fine. that way, you can add boot functionality to exisiting FAT sticks
[12:27] <blindcoder> probably, yes
[12:45] <fake> okay, fixing time. brb
[13:21] <daja77> hi fake
[13:21] <daja77> i just finished :)
[13:29] <fake> re
[13:29] <fake> hi daja77 !
[13:29] <blindcoder> fake: what files do you get cksum errors on?
[13:29] <fake> the 2 font files and the svn checkout
[13:29] <blindcoder> (and it seems they changed svn revision 5466 retroactively)
[13:29] <blindcoder> of ffmpeg
[13:29] <fake> that's impossible
[13:30] <fake> well, not impossible, but very unlikely
[13:30] <blindcoder> nono, is not
[13:30] <blindcoder> changing a revprop (like author) will give a different cksum
[13:30] <daja77> fake: now i just need to wait for the diploma :)
[13:31] <blindcoder> fake: IIRC, we only delete .svn in Build-Pkg (after extraction), not during Download
[13:31] <blindcoder> and right now, I keep getting different cksums for ever svn co
[13:31] <fake> blindcoder: it doesn't build, anyways ;)
[13:31] <fake> blindcoder: that's why we X checkouts ;)
[13:32] <fake> Running main build function 'build_this_package' ...
[13:32] <fake> Creating /usr/<..> if required ...
[13:32] <fake> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/rock/trunk/src.mplayer.1150197732.1862.303
[13:32] <fake> 534144/MPlayer-1.0pre8/libavcodec'
[13:32] <fake> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/rock/trunk/src.mplayer.1150197732.1862.303
[13:32] <fake> 534144/MPlayer-1.0pre8/libavformat'
[13:32] <blindcoder> fake: okay
[13:32] <fake> mv: cannot overwrite directory `/home/rock/trunk/src.mplayer.1150197732.1862.303
[13:32] <fake> 534144/MPlayer-1.0pre8/libavutil'
[13:32] <blindcoder> well, it's stated as UNTESTED :)
[13:33] <fake> blindcoder: and that's why i tested it ;)
[13:34] <blindcoder> fake: did you also test the fooplug removal?
[13:34] <daja77> .oO (when I calm down again i could finish that mysql patch)
[13:34] <fake> disk1.txt in $TOPIC:
[13:34] <fake> mkisofs: The option '-P' is reserved by POSIX.1-2001.
[13:34] <fake> mkisofs: The option '-P' means 'do not follow symbolic links'.
[13:34] <fake> mkisofs: Mkisofs-2.02 will introduce POSIX semantics for '-P'.
[13:34] <fake> mkisofs: Use -publisher in future to get old mkisofs behavior.
[13:34] <blindcoder> daja77: high on coffee?
[13:34] <daja77> blindcoder: no, i finished the diploma today :)
[13:35] <blindcoder> yeah
[13:35] <blindcoder> that message is there for a long time already
[13:35] <blindcoder> fake: ah, so high on drugs :)
[13:35] <blindcoder> s/fake/daja77/
[13:35] <fake> freudscher...
[13:35] <daja77> blindcoder: sort of, got a 1,4
[13:35] <fake> weeee!
[13:35] <blindcoder> luck hormones == drugs
[13:36] <blindcoder> fake: you gonna patch that mkisofs thing or should I?
[13:38] <fake> i don't have the time right now, for the mplayer fix, neither
[13:38] <fake> sry
[13:38] <blindcoder> well, won't have time for mplayer either
[13:38] <blindcoder> but I'll do the mkisofs thing
[13:42] <blindcoder> back to work
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[14:20] <fake> hi th!
[14:20] <th> hi fake
[14:33] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: clifford more or less literally said that release management is a hat he doesn't mind to wear (because he's confident with trunk). I guess he trusts us enough to do it right. I think that's good because this way the people wo care about doing releases every now and then are also responsible for them.
[14:49] <stf^rocklinux> so while we're at it, I'm running $topic as my main linux installation without problems... 
[14:51] <stf^rocklinux> I think it's time for a release :)
[14:52] <mnemoc> 3.0? 2.1? 2.0.x?
[14:52] <stf^rocklinux> afaik most suggested 3.0
[14:52] <stf^rocklinux> and I'm confident with that
[14:53] <mnemoc> and which are the plans after that release? going for 4.0? or 3.1? ,-)
[14:54] <th> i think obeying last CLT meeting would name a release r7663
[14:54] <mnemoc> imo those releases sound like random snapshots
[14:55] <stf^rocklinux> mnemoc: they're not. we have been working since march to test trunk and apply bug-fixes. We also have a de facto feature freeze on trunk atm.
[14:56] <mnemoc> i know, i'm just talking about the release version
[14:56] <stf^rocklinux> th: 3.0 just sounds better than r7663. Also it'd be good to tag the repository imo.
[14:56] <mnemoc> as an external
[14:56] <stf^rocklinux> mnemoc: ah, ok. I agreed with that.
[14:56] <stf^rocklinux> s/agreed/agree
[14:59] <stf^rocklinux> th: we can still include the svn revision in the release name...
[14:59] <th> i'm not stating my opinion(s) (yet).
[14:59] <th> i was just throwing in some facts
[15:00] <stf^rocklinux> th: I have to admit I can't really remember what we decided on the release naming at CLT :(
[15:01] <th> we said that we dont do releases but only throw out revisions from time to time
[15:01] <th> and that we dont branch
[15:02] <fake> version numbers implicate compatibility we don't guarantee. we have been over this...
[15:03] <th> yes - that was the reasoning
[15:04] <mnemoc> ic
[15:04] <fake> we could name it rock linux v3 though
[15:04] <mnemoc> and then v4?
[15:04] <th> that would be my opinion as wlel
[15:04] <stf^rocklinux> or give it a codename
[15:05] <fake> rock linux "long dick" r7663 ?
[15:05] <stf^rocklinux> ok, I'm fine with r7663 too.
[15:05] <fake> ;-))
[15:06] <stf^rocklinux> maybe "bugbear" or "penguin-killer". that should bring us some attention ^^
[15:06] <fake> bloodsucking release from outer space?
[15:06] <fake> (the 'bloodsucking zombies from outer space' are a austrian industrial band ;)
[15:06] <fake> s/a/an/
[15:06] <fake> no, not spance.
[15:07] <fake> i'm just kidding.
[15:07] <fake> r7663 is fine with me
[15:07] <stf^rocklinux> fake: s,s/a/an/,s/ a / an /, ;)
[15:07] <mnemoc> ^_^
[15:08] <stf^rocklinux> with me too. Just call it official. I could edit the Wiki as appropriate.
[15:09] <fake> btw, i agree that $TOPIC is nice!
[15:10] <stf^rocklinux> A livecd build based on r7663 is almost finished here. I could upload that, too.
[15:10] <stf^rocklinux> Or better, have it uploaded by one of you.
[15:10] <fake> please do - and thanks for all the work...
[15:10] <fake> i'll be glad to upload it
[15:11] <th> i'd like to build everything what we release before
[15:11] <th> and test it too
[15:11] <th> had no time for testing this long
[15:11] <th> but when you all say its near to a release or something than i'd like to take the time
[15:11] <th> finally
[15:11] <fake> please do so
[15:12] <th> so we want: crystal, bbs, livecd?
[15:12] <th> and bbs as tar-archives perhaps?
[15:12] <fake> bbs + crystal
[15:12] <th> ok
[15:12] <fake> livecd isn't necessarily leeded
[15:12] <fake> *needed
[15:12] <th> but when it works cool
[15:12] <fake> i've been out of sync with my releases forever
[15:12] <th> ok
[15:12] <fake> but if we have one... that would be nice.
[15:13] <th> it's only that i heared rumors that something is working there
[15:13] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm doing the vanilla livecd build anyways
[15:13] <fake> i could put some effort into building a ppc version again
[15:13] <th> ppc? whos has ppc these days? ;-)
[15:13] <fake> th: poor students like esden *g*
[15:13] <stf^rocklinux> fake: that'd be cool. then I can finally test qemu-ppc :)
[15:13] <th> ahh ok
[15:13] <fake> stf^rocklinux: you want pearpc.
[15:13] <th> how is 64bit status, fake?
[15:14] <fake> th: still no 64 bit bootloader 
[15:14] <fake> so some more toolchain work is needed, but i don't really consider it a priority...
[15:17] <fake> daja77: can i use scanners with crystal?
[15:18] <fake> there is kooka, and sane is on there, too
[15:18] <fake> sane-find-scanner finds my scanner
[15:18] <fake> but now what?
[15:18] <fake> if i click 'choose input device' in kooka, nothing happens...
[15:23] <stf^rocklinux> fake: maybe the device is root-only?
[15:24] <fake> nope
[15:24] <fake> scanimage works
[15:24] <fake> it's libusb 
[15:24] <fake> oh, i'm root
[15:24] <fake> wait
[15:27] <fake> yep, that seems to be the problem
[15:27] <fake> hm.
[15:27] <stf^rocklinux> add a new group?
[15:28] <fake> libusb accesses /dev/bus/usb/* ?
[15:33] <stf^rocklinux> no idea...
[15:34] <fake> i found some hints
[15:35] <fake> udev rule: SYSFS{idVendor}=="04a9", SYSFS{idProduct}=="221c", MODE="664", GROUP="scanner"
[15:35] <fake> ;)
[15:38] <stf^rocklinux> what's with this rule? The non-existent group?
[15:38] <fake> no, i just added this to my udev rules. that way, no matter which device files are created, they will be of group scanner ;)
[15:38] <fake> if they were related to the device with the given usb ids
[15:40] <fake> still i can't scan as user
[15:40] <fake> grml
[15:42] <stf^rocklinux> did you reload the rules, add the scanner group and logged in again as a member of the scanner group?
[15:47] <fake> sure.
[15:47] <fake> the problem is the 'device' file in usbfs
[15:49] <fake> i guess
[15:57] <fake> the solution:
[15:57] <fake> mount --bind /dev/bus/usb /proc/bus/usb
[15:58] <stf^rocklinux>  /proc/bus/usb is empty here, but usb mouse and printer still work
[15:58] <stf^rocklinux> strange
[15:59] <fake> stf^rocklinux: you only need that for libusb devices
[15:59] <fake> mouse is mapped by a kernel driver
[15:59] <fake> printer probably too
[15:59] <fake> but scanners and small usb gadgets don't get an own kernel driver.
[15:59] <fake> mount -t usbfs usbfs /proc/bus/usb
[15:59] <fake> that's the 'usual' way
[16:00] <fake> the problem is that no permission handling is done at all.
[16:00] <stf^rocklinux> is usbfs obsolete with udev?
[16:01] <fake> yes, you can have all the features of usbfs and more with udev. we already emulate the functionality in /dev/bus/usb
[16:03] <stf^rocklinux> ah, good. maybe add an initscript that does the mount --bind, then?
[16:04] <fake> /dev/bus/usb on /proc/bus/usb type none (rw,bind)
[16:04] <fake> narf
[16:04] <fake> /dev/bus/usb        /proc/bus/usb   none      bind     0 0
[16:04] <fake> in /etc/fstab
[16:06] <stf^rocklinux> that should do as well :)
[16:07] <fake> we should add a usb directory to /lib/udev/devices, though
[16:07] <fake> in case no usb bus exists, the directory would be missing
[16:08] <stf^rocklinux> indeed
[16:23] <stf^rocklinux> ahh, summer at last! The sun is certainly stressing the cooling of my PC right now :)
[16:31] <blindcoder> re
[16:31] <fake> i could use my flat as a server room...
[16:32] <fake> i would freeze without a 'pulli' right now
[16:32] <fake> my feet are cold
[16:32] <blindcoder> fake: I can't remove enough clothing to feel comfortable in the current heat...
[16:33] <fake> old building, 1.5 m thick walls, basement, windows only into the 'hof', so no direct sun
[16:34] <fake> takes time to heat up...
[16:37] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[16:38] <blindcoder> 1953 building, top floor, windows to all but north side
[16:38] <blindcoder> heats up instantly
[16:39] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I added some clarifications to the ROCK_Sonar page
[16:39] <stf^rocklinux> thx
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[23:58] <daja77> fake: yes i think so
[23:58] <daja77> even usb scanners
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