[00:13] <daja77> fake: but possibly the right permissions are not set
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[07:10] <blindcoder> moin
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[11:04] <esdentem> moin
[11:11] <blindcoder> moin moin esdentem 
[11:15] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux, th, fake: how usable is livecd?
[11:19] <th> never tried
[11:20] <blindcoder> th: We just got new Laptop models with network devices that don't work with a 2.6.12 kernel
[11:20] <blindcoder> th: now I'm hopeful that they will with a recent kernel, so I need a new livecd
[12:38] <blindcoder> th: any testbuild runnig currently?
[12:38] <th> no
[12:41] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[12:41] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: livecd can start KDE here, it's quite usable.
[12:41] <blindcoder> th: could you try the fooplug removal patch?
[12:41] <blindcoder> th: I think I got all the references
[12:42] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: which build?
[12:42] <stf^rocklinux> rev. 7663
[12:42] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: nice
[12:42] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: got the iso lying around somewhere?
[12:42] <stf^rocklinux> mom
[12:44] <blindcoder> th: or want me to put together a journal to test?
[12:46] <th> blindcoder: if you do that i'd just start a build with it
[12:49] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: my livecd build is actually rev. 7663 with 2006061412483621974
[12:50] <stf^rocklinux> ( the /proc/bus/usb mount )
[12:50] <blindcoder> th: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/index.websplb?mode=journal&id=18
[12:50] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I added that patch to the above mentioned journal
[12:57] <th> interesting. now we are releaving the feature freeze?
[12:58] <stf^rocklinux> imo we shouldn't...
[12:59] <blindcoder> what classifies as a feature in there?
[12:59] <blindcoder> 2006061314145125709?
[13:00] <stf^rocklinux> udev & linux update
[13:00] <blindcoder> ah, that's a feature?
[13:01] <stf^rocklinux> it's an update, and updates tend to introduce new bugs (although linux should be pretty harmless)
[13:02] <blindcoder> in that case: https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster/index.websplb?mode=journal&id=19
[13:03] <stf^rocklinux> I wonder if hotplug/hwscan are useful to linux24 kernels in any way. If yes we shouldn't remove them before we drop linux24.
[13:03] Action: blindcoder searches the mailing list for a feature freeze announcement
[13:04] <blindcoder> in vain
[13:05] <blindcoder> th, fake, clifford: anyone care to write a feature freeze announcement to the mailing lists?
[13:05] <esdentem> *sigh*
[13:05] <blindcoder> th, fake, clifford: with a bit of information about what kind of patches will be applied and what kind won't?
[13:05] <blindcoder> esdentem: ?
[13:06] Action: esdentem implementing rsa decription on a 16bit 10MHz microcontroller ... *sigh* I really ask myself how many years it will need to decrypt one single data chunk
[13:06] <blindcoder> esdentem: why are you doing that?
[13:06] <esdentem> we need it here ;)
[13:06] <th> the feature freeze idea was not mine.
[13:06] <th> i was just asking
[13:06] <blindcoder> th: whose was it then?
[13:07] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: mine. 
[13:07] <th> dunno
[13:07] <th> ah yes
[13:07] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: okay, so you write something up and th/fake/clifford sign it
[13:07] <esdentem> humm .. it would be so nice if I had several hundred kilobytes of memory on that chip ... then I could use libopenssl ;)
[13:07] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: because then I can try to do some PR work and drag attention to an impending release
[13:08] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: if we keep adding updates, we'll never come to a release, that was my main point. 
[13:08] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: and an IRC log of someone who isn't formally part of the Higher Poobahs of ROCK isn't something I can base PR work on
[13:09] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: ok, I'll think of something
[13:09] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: also, micro releases of the kernel usually fix broken stuff only
[13:09] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: so they probably count as bugfixes
[13:09] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: that'll be great!
[13:10] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: some recent linux releases  have introduced new features as well, only some were single bug/security fixes.
[13:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: even micro releases? (fourth number)?
[13:12] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: IIRC yes, see e.g. the Changelogs. Btw. would you like to download my livecd build? 
[13:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: of course I would! why isn't it on iso.rocklinux.de?
[13:13] <stf^rocklinux> I don't have an account :(
[13:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: th has
[13:13] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: and th only
[13:14] <stf^rocklinux> so he'd have to upload it for me
[13:14] <blindcoder> just ping him, he'll do
[13:15] <blindcoder> I'd just need it by tomorrow
[13:15] <blindcoder> anyway, back to work
[13:15] <blindcoder> looking forward to an announcement signed by th, fake or clifford
[13:15] <th> what announcement?
[13:15] <stf^rocklinux> feature freeze..
[13:16] <th> we could start with an "development shot r7663"
[13:21] <stf^rocklinux> I'd prefer calling r7663 a pre-release 
[13:27] <stf^rocklinux> anyway. th could you please upload the livecd for me?
[13:28] <stf^rocklinux> I have a ssh login ready for this...
[13:32] <stf^rocklinux> or fake, could you upload my livecd build?
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[15:14] <th> stf^rocklinux: sure
[15:15] <th> stf^rocklinux: http://thzn.de/ssh-keys
[15:21] <blindcoder> re
[15:26] <blindcoder> so, where's my announcement? :(
[15:29] <stf^rocklinux> not done yet... 
[15:39] <blindcoder> okay, then I'm going to pick my car up at the garage first
[15:39] <blindcoder> bblr
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[19:44] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: please take a look at the updated http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Mission_Statement
[19:44] <stf^rocklinux> esp. at bottom of the page
[19:49] <stf^rocklinux> I've added a few lines about releases.
[19:51] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: maybe "that contain not only bug fixes"
[19:58] <stf^rocklinux> hmm, double negation, sound strange
[19:59] <stf^rocklinux> s/sound/sounds
[19:59] <blindcoder> 'package updates will only be applied if they just contain bug fixes'
[19:59] <stf^rocklinux> maybe "... updates that add new features are generally not applied, ..."
[20:00] <stf^rocklinux> if they contain security fixes, they'll be applied too...
[20:01] <blindcoder> sure
[21:04] <stf^rocklinux> * The installed or updated system is booted,
[21:05] <stf^rocklinux> err, I mean I've added another version of the feature freeze  description here http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Mission_Statement
[21:06] <stf^rocklinux> hehe, built kdelibs 3.5.3 with X11R7.1  
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