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[00:47] <elon`> Hi, anybody in ?
[00:47] <elon`> (thats willing to help me a bit)
[00:47] <elon`> who's (of course)
[00:50] <daja77> hm?
[00:52] <elon`> hi
[00:52] <elon`> german ?
[00:53] <daja77> well english is preferred in this chan, but i can do german too
[00:53] <elon`> as you like...
[00:53] <elon`> eng..
[00:54] <mnemoc> daja77: really?
[00:54] <daja77> mnemoc: not for you :O
[00:54] <mnemoc> daja77: :)
[00:55] <elon`> O.o
[00:55] <daja77> you still haven't asked
[00:55] <elon`> ok.. could one tell me how to make the initrd image for rock
[00:56] <elon`> newest crystal release
[00:56] <daja77> stone should do that ..
[00:56] <elon`> the problem is that i can't mount my dm-crypted file system
[00:56] <elon`> so stone wont proceed with the install
[00:57] <daja77> hm for the crypto stuff ask blindcod1r 
[00:57] <elon`> ok.. tnx
[00:58] <daja77> so i am off now
[00:58] <elon`> cu
[01:22] <elon`> off.. 
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[07:45] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder
[07:47] <blindcoder> moin
[07:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I wonder if the textual interpretation is still necessary with the new official wording
[07:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I guess it'd be better to integrate them into one
[07:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: they're very close now anyway
[07:56] <blindcoder> HUH?
[07:56] <blindcoder> root@ceres:~/trunk# ./scripts/Create-ErrList
[07:56] <blindcoder> Error logs from default-TRUNK-x86-lvp:
[07:56] <blindcoder> 100 builds total, 100 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[07:56] <blindcoder> root@ceres:~/trunk# ll build/default-TRUNK-x86-lvp/var/adm/logs/*err
[07:56] <blindcoder> -rw-r--r--  1 root root 88466 Jun 20 23:48 build/default-TRUNK-x86-lvp/var/adm/logs/5-linux26.err
[08:32] <blindcoder> YAY
[08:32] <blindcoder> linux26 now needs file
[08:51] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[08:52] <blindcoder> moin moin
[08:53] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: I assume that the official wording can/will be adapted over time, so the section for textual interpretations is still useful...
[08:54] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: yes, but not right now, really. it's mostly the same and integrating the changes into the official wording would help avoiding confusion
[08:56] <stf^rocklinux> I agree. I suggest to send the interpretation to rock-devel for discussion, and apply it if there are no objections.
[08:57] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: there hasn't been any discussion besides between the two of us
[08:58] <blindcoder> ah, well
[08:58] <blindcoder> to keep face
[08:58] <stf^rocklinux> still I think it's better to discuss it on rock-devel than elsewhere
[08:59] <stf^rocklinux> I just don't want to 'overrun' anybody with this...
[09:03] <blindcoder> sent
[09:08] <th> official wording?
[09:08] <th> what official wording?
[09:08] <th> base/isdn4k-utils  fails
[09:09] <th> /bin/sh: line 1: aclocal-1.7: command not found
[09:09] <th> stf^rocklinux: that's your bdb/automake patch...
[09:09] <stf^rocklinux> btw. discussing different wordings is easier via email imo. And we should discuss the rules for feature freeze, basic packages and third party software, too.
[09:09] <stf^rocklinux> th: seems so.
[09:13] <blindcoder> does anyone of the people responsible for adding patches ACTUALLY READ THE FUCKING WIKI/DOCUMENTATION?
[09:13] <blindcoder> why don't we just shutdown the websites/mailinglists/anythingbutsubmasterandsubversion
[09:14] <blindcoder> seems like noone that matters actually cares anyway
[09:14] <blindcoder> argh
[09:14] <blindcoder> bbl
[09:14] <stf^rocklinux> what's wrong?
[09:17] <th> "responsible for adding patches"?
[09:17] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe it helps if you change the line:
[09:17] <th> whom your talking bout?
[09:17] <stf^rocklinux> +am__api_version="1.7"
[09:17] <stf^rocklinux> in capi+autoconf.patch
[09:17] <th> stf^rocklinux: what file are you talking about?
[09:18] <th> ok
[09:18] <th> giving it a try
[09:18] <stf^rocklinux> note there are two of those lines in the .patch
[09:18] <th> -am__api_version="1.6"
[09:18] <th> +am__api_version="1.7"
[09:18] <stf^rocklinux> and one more pair...
[09:18] <th> found it
[09:18] <th> yes ack.
[09:19] <th> so you propose a simple s/7/9/, correct
[09:19] <th> ?
[09:19] <stf^rocklinux> btw. there's no newer version of this package available, afaics
[09:19] <stf^rocklinux> yes
[09:20] <th> okay
[09:20] <th> lets wait a bit
[09:20] <th> currently in the koffice build.
[09:20] <th> hmmmm we could use an update there
[09:20] <th> btw: 337 builds total, 315 completed fine, 1 with errors.
[09:21] <th> so this looks pretty good for the imapct of the journal
[09:23] <stf^rocklinux> btw. you could apply my wengophone patch in the meantime :)
[09:24] <th> ahh ok
[09:25] <stf^rocklinux> hm, it isn't in submaster yet?!
[09:25] <th> hmm no.
[09:25] <th> no wengo with votecheck=OK
[09:28] <stf^rocklinux> grr, this SM errors suck... anyway the patch is in there now.
[09:28] <stf^rocklinux> 2006062109263165590
[09:28] <th> Committed revision 7677.
[09:28] <stf^rocklinux> thx
[09:29] <stf^rocklinux> oh yeah, and please svn rm package/stf/skype ;)
[09:30] <stf^rocklinux> should I send a non-patch to SubMaster for deleting skype?
[09:30] <th> no - it's only svn-rm
[09:31] <th> Committed revision 7678.
[09:32] <stf^rocklinux> btw. isdn4k-utils built fine with aclocal-1.9 here.
[09:32] <th> with that s/1.7/1.9/ modification, right?
[09:33] <stf^rocklinux> yes
[09:33] <th> good
[09:33] <th> that's an build-time-successfill journal than.
[09:33] <th> cool
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[10:23] <th> == 06/21/06 10:18:05 =[5]=> Finished building package isdn4k-utils.
[10:45] <stf^rocklinux> btw. kde l10n packages need to be updated too
[10:46] <stf^rocklinux> I'll supply a patch for that
[11:12] <blindcoder> re
[11:30] <th> stf^rocklinux: while you're at it... could do the koffice 1.5.1 update as well?
[11:30] <th> and the lang packages of course.
[11:30] <th> perhaps we could have use for an update script there
[11:30] <th> that should be free of issues
[11:31] <th> and is only bugfix
[11:31] <stf^rocklinux> already done (there's an import script for kde-i18n and koffice-l10n)
[11:31] <th> ok cool
[11:31] <stf^rocklinux> th: could you download some of those packages and apply the checksums?
[11:31] <stf^rocklinux> i.e. de,es,fr,it,ru
[11:32] <th> stf^rocklinux: yes. leave the cksum empty
[11:32] <th> stf^rocklinux: i'll take care 
[11:32] <th> empty:=0
[11:34] <stf^rocklinux> ok, I've already added checksums for kde-i18n-{de,es,fr,it,ru}
[11:36] <stf^rocklinux> 2006062111352055110 and 2006062111353055160
[11:36] <th> ok - will use these later
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[13:37] <Pilot> oops
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[13:53] <blindcoder> tststs
[13:59] <th> crystal-th20060620.iso  is uploading
[13:59] <blindcoder> \o/
[14:25] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/teha/th20060620/crystal-th20060620_cd1.iso
[14:25] <th> wait
[14:25] <th> http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/unofficial/teha/th20060620/crystal-th20060620.iso
[14:26] <th> that's better
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[17:09] <ripclaw> helo
[17:09] <daja77> moin ripclaw 
[17:09] <daja77> please don't write dots
[17:09] <ripclaw> ?
[17:10] <daja77> stuff like that
[17:10] <daja77> 17:31 < ripclaw> .
[17:10] <ripclaw> i have some very minimalistic clients, sometimes it is not clear if it crashed, or still runs - unless i send a dot to see if it still wokrs
[17:11] <ripclaw> does that mess up something ?
[17:13] <daja77> well not technically, but it sucks somehow ;)
[17:13] <daja77> ok if someone googles for . he'll probably find us ^^
[17:20] <ripclaw> :D
[17:21] <blindcoder> ripclaw: stop using ii, get yourself some irssi :P
[17:21] <daja77> hi blindcoder 
[17:22] <blindcoder> moin daja77 
[17:22] <daja77> :)
[17:22] <ripclaw> hi blindcoder - i use tinyirc on winblows
[17:22] <ripclaw> and yes, i am forzed here by corporate policycrap
[17:23] <daja77> hm try xchat
[17:23] <blindcoder> ripclaw: well, at work I also have windows
[17:23] <blindcoder> ripclaw: doesn't stop me from ssh'ing to my colo server :)
[17:23] <ripclaw> is a seperate package, doesnt install in a way that its not formally unsanctioned.
[17:23] <ripclaw> cant ssh out
[17:23] <blindcoder> putty doesn't need to be 'installed'
[17:24] <ripclaw> putty is a unsanctioned package, tinyirc is standard with cygwin, which is a sanctioned package
[17:24] <ripclaw> tamu-tiger scans... just for winblows
[17:25] <blindcoder> you don't have an usb stick, a floppy disk or a network share?
[17:26] <ripclaw> blindcoder - yes, but a binary will give an alert... this is a paranoid^2 network with paranoid^3 admins
[17:27] <blindcoder> ouch
[17:27] <daja77> so you need to rename it to .doc ^^
[17:27] <ripclaw> i do not like to loose this source of income for breaking the rules, if i can live within them easily with a little less comfort.
[17:27] <blindcoder> ripclaw: let me guess: they still use telnet to connect to their servers?
[17:27] <daja77> like all the worms do ^^
[17:27] <ripclaw> and no - renaming doesnt work
[17:28] <daja77> i was just kidding
[17:28] <blindcoder> it's not like we *cough* encourage people to break the rules
[17:28] <ripclaw> no, ssh with keys, every login can be tracked to a user, a source machine, which has to be a client etc... and they keep the login records for a while
[17:28] <blindcoder> wow
[17:28] <blindcoder> I'm impressed
[17:28] <ripclaw> i don`t consider that envouraging :D
[17:29] <ripclaw> did i mention they are paranoid, did I ;)
[17:29] <ripclaw> i get paid for beeing paranoid here, too
[17:29] <daja77> perfect
[17:29] <blindcoder> here we have to uninstall sshd from the machines before we deliver them to customers
[17:29] <blindcoder> ripclaw: just three or four times
[17:29] <ripclaw> if you want a job here, i can tell you where to apply :)
[17:30] <blindcoder> ehm, no
[17:30] <blindcoder> I prefer being able to connect to my home machine from work
[17:30] <blindcoder> besides, I'll probably not get paid enough
[17:30] <ripclaw> here they regularly (cron) check for installed telnet, rsh, ftp etc, and do so remotely - if they find it, youre roasted.
[17:31] <ripclaw> pinkslip, security escort out of building.
[17:31] <blindcoder> sweet
[17:31] <daja77> but you can do irc ... weird
[17:31] <ripclaw> hey, it is a sanctioned package :)
[17:31] <blindcoder> well
[17:31] <blindcoder> ln -s ssh telnet
[17:31] <blindcoder> ln -s ssh rsh
[17:31] <blindcoder> ln -s sftp ftp
[17:32] <blindcoder> that's how I introduced secure alternatives to some former cow-orkers
[17:32] <blindcoder> who always said 'that won't work, it's not tested, we can't use it because our network won't handle it' BLAH
[17:32] <blindcoder> then I just did the above
[17:32] <ripclaw> here they fire someone for using the old protocol and then tell all others about how to not get fired.
[17:32] <blindcoder> and told them two weeks later :)
[17:33] <ripclaw> that was perfect deception :)
[17:33] <blindcoder> no warning shot?
[17:34] <ripclaw> they get the firing revoked by betriebsrat for nonexisting rule anyway, but publicity is better...
[17:35] <blindcoder> heh
[17:35] <ripclaw> crack the whip and see who runs, or such
[17:36] <daja77> sucks
[17:36] <ripclaw> works, appearantly... and seems to reduce workforce as ordered, too
[17:36] <blindcoder> does it reduce workload, too?
[17:37] <blindcoder> I always liked how 'workforce' was reduced and then 'workload' couldn't be solved anymore
[17:37] <blindcoder> so workforce was raised again
[17:41] <ripclaw> oh, that depends on quarter end or not..
[17:41] <ripclaw>  am a temp, so that doesnt count me in
[17:41] <blindcoder> heh, tell me about it
[17:41] <blindcoder> I'm in the middle of the nokia-siemens networks fiasco
[17:42] <ripclaw> quarter end is workload 200%, everything else is ok... oh holy mother of fusions...
[17:42] <ripclaw> im somewhere in the ibm deutschbank hsh outsourcing deals
[17:42] <blindcoder> today was 'great meeting for telling the people what's up'
[17:42] <ripclaw> but at least data is secure enough
[17:43] <daja77> blindcoder: bad news for you?
[17:43] <ripclaw> oh, killday meeting
[17:43] <blindcoder> took them 45 minutes to tell us that they don't know anything yet
[17:43] <blindcoder> daja77: probably
[17:43] <blindcoder> daja77: remains to be seen within the next six months
[17:43] <ripclaw> blindcoder - send CV and stuff :)
[17:43] <daja77> yeah the essence of meetings
[17:43] <blindcoder> daja77: this'll all be wrapped up before october, when the siemens fiscal year ends
[17:44] <blindcoder> ripclaw: I haven't written a CV ever since I applied for a "azubijob" back in 98
[17:44] <blindcoder> well, for now I'm not worried
[17:45] <ripclaw> just list project experience then :)
[17:45] <blindcoder> the part of siemens I work at/for has a good stand compared the rest of siemens
[17:45] <blindcoder> I'll probably have to learn a new product line, but that's about it
[17:45] <blindcoder> ripclaw: will do :)
[17:46] <blindcoder> anyway, my boss from the company that actually pays me is here
[17:46] <blindcoder> we'll be having a few beers in an hour
[17:46] <blindcoder> and, well, a company that pays trips to chemnitzer linux days, dresdner linux info tag and chaos communication congress isn't bad :)
[17:47] <daja77> indeed
[17:47] <ripclaw> in that case stay there - here i only get paid for working like a mule...
[17:47] <ripclaw> but i get a big ass payment *pun intended*
[17:47] <daja77> :D
[17:50] <blindcoder> hehe
[17:50] <blindcoder> you get paid in big asses?
[17:51] <ripclaw> no like a huge mule :)
[17:51] <ripclaw> ass (engl.) arsch / esel / maultier (wordplay)
[17:52] <ripclaw> (= riesen arsch voll geld oder soviel wie ein riesiger esel verdient)
[17:52] <ripclaw> also durchaus doppeldeutig
[17:52] <blindcoder> heh
[17:54] <ripclaw> ubuntu for sparc - i think i should give it a try as a crossbuild-base for rock
[17:54] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off for the beers
[17:54] <ripclaw> cheers, have a drink on me
[17:55] <ripclaw> :*)
[18:17] <ripclaw> ok, fulltext check dot if the client is still up and running ;)
[18:20] <daja77> hehe
[18:21] <ripclaw> dot
[18:21] <daja77> dot is a nice tool ..
[18:22] <ripclaw> i prefer to read backwards and translate (dot) -9 :)
[18:23] <ripclaw> but what does dot do ? dot.5 ?
[18:28] <daja77> plotting graphs
[18:40] <ripclaw> oha... no more bc|xfig more :)
[19:02] <ripclaw> dotting again :)
[19:02] <daja77> yes you are still online, dude :)
[19:03] <ripclaw> hmmm. makes me think about wordplay - slashdot or slaydot ?
[19:03] <ripclaw> i noticed :) since no one postet i just thought ild try
[19:09] <ripclaw> dotmatrix printer ?
[19:10] <daja77> sry i am half off ^^
[19:10] <ripclaw> ^^
[19:16] <ripclaw> cu, i am leaving
[19:16] <daja77> cu
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[19:34] <stf^rocklinux> fake: is there a special reason for using scons 0.96.91, and not the latest stable (0.96.1)?
[19:48] <mnemoc> some packages depend on the development version of scons
[19:55] <stf^rocklinux> hm, wengophone-ng doesn't build with it, so we'd need two versions.
[20:01] <mnemoc> afaik wengo *needs* the development branch of scons
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[20:05] <stf^rocklinux> nope, build instructions explicitly say to use 0.96.1, not any later version (and it doesn't build with 0.96.91)
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[21:56] <daja77> scons .. yet another stupid make clone ..
[22:14] <th> i disagree somehow
[22:29] <mnemoc> but make is far from perfect
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