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[09:20] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:00] <esdentem> moin
[10:00] <esdentem> one thing to say: "I love lisp" and now back to work coding C
[10:30] <blindcoder> hehe
[11:54] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux, th: there seems to be something wrong with the 7663 livecd
[11:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux, th: can one of you assert this please
[11:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux, th: boot from it, and then use http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/ROCK/unpackiso.sh on the iso file
[11:55] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux, th: I get kernel NULL pointer dereferences
[11:56] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux, th: if, however, I patch the kernel of the 7663 crystal installation and then do the same, it works fine
[12:00] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: I'm just trying (for the hundreth time?) why my printer won't work...
[12:02] <stf^rocklinux> I mean I'm trying to find out why it doesn't work... 
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[12:37] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: well, I just "echo foo > /dev/printers/0" :-)
[12:38] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: already tried that, that just hangs until I abort the command with STRG-C
[12:39] <blindcoder> well, I have a Epson P20, 9 pin needle printer
[12:39] <blindcoder> makes nice for printing source code, kernel boot messages and stuff like that
[12:42] <stf^rocklinux> I hate printing support on Linux so much... whether it works seems to depend on the phase of the moon at best. -.-
[12:44] <blindcoder> last i checked it was the sunspots
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[13:03] <stf^rocklinux> maybe I should join wtf.com ;)
[13:05] <stf^rocklinux> "... an online RANTING community for those who want to bitch and moan about anything on their mind."
[13:27] <blindcoder> that's what blogs are for
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[14:43] <daja77> .oO (th will hate me)
[14:45] <blindcoder> daja77: one more or less... :-)
[14:46] <daja77> :D
[15:12] <blindcoder> daja77: I see what you mean now
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[16:03] <stf^rocklinux> hm, reinstalled crystal-vanilla-r7663 (with cups-1.1.23 and KDE 3.5.2) and printing works again...
[16:06] <stf^rocklinux> I guess cups 1.2 is a man-eating monster ;)
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[16:26] <stf^rocklinux> th: I suggest to remove cups update from your journal for now
[16:53] <blindcoder> le
[16:59] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: did you test $topic with your printer, or crystal-th20060620.iso?
[16:59] <stf^rocklinux> (both contain cups 1.2.0)
[17:01] <blindcoder> I never used cups
[17:18] <esdentem> blindcoder: do we have ip-tables on pallas? ... is it active?
[17:19] <esdentem> blindcoder: or better ... do we have a firewall style of thing running currently?
[17:19] <esdentem> because I would like to block some ports for access from outside
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[19:53] <th> hmmm
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[19:56] <elon> salue
[19:57] <blindcoder> moin elon 
[20:10] <esden> hi elon 
[20:14] <esdentem> ok ... I go home now ... cu guys
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[20:25] <brian|lfs> hey can I use rocklinux to make my own linux distro?
[20:25] <blindcoder> that's exactly the purpose of ROCK
[20:25] <brian|lfs> I was jsut checking
[20:25] <brian|lfs> I'm downlaoding the rock distro crystal binary right now
[20:26] <brian|lfs> is it any good it says expermential
[20:27] <blindcoder> we're about to feature freeze for a release
[20:27] <blindcoder> that's why it's labeled experimental
[20:27] <brian|lfs> cool whats freeze do
[20:27] <brian|lfs> is crystal a code name for freeze or soemthing?
[20:27] <blindcoder> so no, it's not any good, it crashes on boot, won't install, make your cat pregnant and annoy your neighbour :)
[20:27] <blindcoder> say, you did read www.rocklinux.org, now did you?
[20:29] <brian|lfs> it jsut says its a distribution that can be used for a server or desktop
[20:29] <brian|lfs> and solve one problem
[20:29] <blindcoder> so there you have it, crystal is a distribution
[20:29] <brian|lfs> not sure what the wrong problem is lol
[20:30] <brian|lfs> could be anything
[20:30] <blindcoder> what's so funny?
[20:30] <brian|lfs> whats the one problem its trying to solve
[20:30] <blindcoder> it's not "a problem" it's trying to solve
[20:31] <blindcoder> it brings one solution per problem
[20:31] <brian|lfs> oh
[20:31] <blindcoder> that means: one desktop environment, one database, one webserver, etc.
[20:31] <blindcoder> as stated on the site
[20:31] <brian|lfs> ever use LFS?
[20:32] <blindcoder> no
[20:32] <brian|lfs> its pretty good
[20:32] <blindcoder> without doubt
[20:32] <brian|lfs> it would be a job to make it a distro that you can distribute easyily to the world
[20:33] <th> rock is pretty much doing this/
[20:33] <blindcoder> as I see it that's also not the job lfs is trying to do
[20:33] <brian|lfs> no it isn't really
[20:33] <brian|lfs> they do have a clfs to help with that but not sure how much it would help
[20:34] <brian|lfs> is crystal a distro made from rock?
[20:35] <blindcoder> yes
[20:36] <brian|lfs> ok probably not a bad palce to start install crystal and see what I like and don't like about it
[20:37] <blindcoder> just remember that crystal is not the product we "sell" here
[20:37] <brian|lfs> ya I understand what your saying
[20:38] <brian|lfs> your selling rock to build stuff like crystal
[20:38] <brian|lfs> will your not sellign anything its free
[20:39] <blindcoder> yes, just trying to clear it up
[20:39] <blindcoder> because I've learned from experience that many people don't really get it
[20:39] <brian|lfs> I wouldn't doubt that one bit
[20:40] <brian|lfs> you all should call it rocknetframework lol
[20:40] <esden> blindcoder: ... how is the current policy in submitting a new package to rock?
[20:40] <esden> s/how/what/
[20:41] <blindcoder> esden: submit it to your repository and you're fine
[20:42] <blindcoder> brian|lfs: the naming thing has been discussed ad infinitum and ad absurdum
[20:42] <esden> blindcoder: through submaster ... right?
[20:42] <blindcoder> esden: yes
[20:42] <esden> blindcoder: urgh ... *sigh* ... well ... ok ;)
[20:42] <blindcoder> esden: http://www.shellscripts.org/project/rockcommitpatch
[20:43] <blindcoder> esden: and stop complaining. we haven't officially gotten rid of clifford yet :)
[20:43] <brian|lfs> how many distros have been made from rock?
[20:43] <esden> blindcoder: ROFL!
[20:43] <blindcoder> brian|lfs: public ones, two
[20:43] <blindcoder> brian|lfs: non-public: several
[20:43] <blindcoder> brian|lfs: I myself have one non-public
[20:44] <brian|lfs> I want mine to be public after my feinds and IO work the kinks out
[20:45] <blindcoder> brian|lfs: that'd be fine, we might even host it in the rock trunk, though that'll be seen at the time
[20:45] <brian|lfs> its only day 2 last night my friend and I were talking about making our own distro
[20:45] <esden> ok ... I jump home finally ... and try to add sbcl to rock ... 
[20:46] <blindcoder> esden: good luck :)
[20:46] <blindcoder> brian|lfs: you really should sit down and discuss what kind of distribution you want to make first
[20:46] <esden> that will be a nice bootstrap problem ;)
[20:46] <brian|lfs> I agree with you there
[20:46] <brian|lfs> he is apperanly busy my friend right now
[20:48] <stf^rocklinux> brian|lfs: hi! btw. I've incorporated bugfix patches from lfs into ROCK at least once or twice.
[20:48] <stf^rocklinux> lfs is one of my primary sources when I look for bugfixes.
[20:49] <brian|lfs> that makes sense LFS is source
[20:49] <brian|lfs> code
[20:49] <stf^rocklinux> and instructions on how to build it :)
[20:49] <brian|lfs> hmm his not afk right now but hes not ansering either myf riend lol
[20:49] <brian|lfs> exactly
[20:50] <brian|lfs> took me like 5 tries to build lfs but after I built in nce I built it twice with no prob
[20:50] <brian|lfs> Ran it as a server for months
[20:51] <brian|lfs> had a bumass friend change the root password to 123456 and it got hacked pretty good lol
[20:51] <brian|lfs> and that hard drive that held the os started dieing at the same time
[20:52] <brian|lfs> so I reformated it and installed Lineox and it worked good so then I got a new hard drive and copied it to the new drive and its still running
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[20:56] <Symph0ny> hello
[20:56] <brian|lfs> hey how you doing man
[20:56] <Symph0ny> hey brian
[20:56] <stf^rocklinux> hi
[20:56] <brian|lfs> this is my friend everyone
[20:56] <Symph0ny> hehe, yeah
[20:56] <brian|lfs> we were both talking last night about makin g our own distro
[20:56] <brian|lfs> wow if I could type today
[20:56] <brian|lfs> ouch
[20:57] <brian|lfs> Like I was telling you Symph0ny I just download crystal rock
[20:57] <brian|lfs> and am going to burn it
[20:57] <stf^rocklinux> well, I've never really tried building an fls system myself, only read about it, but afaics some concepts are quite similar, e.g. the staged builds and using a chroot environment.
[20:58] <brian|lfs> I've tried to get Symph0ny to try lfs in the past lol
[20:58] <Symph0ny> lol
[20:58] <brian|lfs> he hasn't gotten around to it lol
[20:59] <brian|lfs> no point if were going to make our own distro lol
[20:59] <stf^rocklinux> put another way, I think understanding lfs helps to understand how ROCK does things
[21:00] <brian|lfs> ya understanding it definitly will help out I agree
[21:01] <brian|lfs> you need to know what order to compile things in or are gogoing to ahve probs
[21:01] <Symph0ny> what distro should I use to have a simple base?
[21:02] <Symph0ny> I need to build a root partition for my server that I picked up... it already boots linux 2.4, but I dont know the root password on the base system, and I can't boot from anything but the hd
[21:04] <brian|lfs> that could be a prob
[21:05] <Symph0ny> you know how you can specify a root partition at a lilo prompt though?
[21:05] <Symph0ny> you can pass the root partition as a boot parameter, so I could potentially use a root partition from another drive
[21:05] <blindcoder> or just specify init=/bin/bash rw
[21:05] <blindcoder> then set a root password
[21:05] <blindcoder> reboot, and you're done
[21:06] <brian|lfs> wow thats secure
[21:06] <Symph0ny> cool, I'll try that
[21:06] <Symph0ny> lol
[21:06] <brian|lfs> damm
[21:07] <stf^rocklinux> Symph0ny: there's the Crystal distro, which is a complete desktop distro with KDE, and build-bootstrap (bbs) which only includes tools needed to build your own distro with ROCK.
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[21:44] <brian|lfs> I feel dumb I couldn't figure out how to eidt iwth vi and I rebooted by mistake lol
[21:47] <th> vi rebooted your machine?
[21:47] <brian|lfs> no I did by mistake becuase I coudln't figure out how to use vi
[21:47] <stf^rocklinux> brian|lfs: in vi, push Insert to insert text 
[21:47] <brian|lfs> ok
[21:48] <brian|lfs> how about saving aferwards
[21:48] <brian|lfs> and quiting
[21:48] <th> :w for saving
[21:48] <th> :q for quitting
[21:48] <stf^rocklinux> use Escape to exit insert mode, then type :w to save, :q to quit
[21:48] <th> :wq for both
[21:48] <mnemoc> :x :p
[21:48] <brian|lfs> huh
[21:48] <th> ZZ
[21:48] <th> ;)
[21:48] <brian|lfs> w and q on the keybard
[21:49] <stf^rocklinux> yes but with a leading :
[21:49] <th> yes - well - if you have w and q on your mouse - you can use them too
[21:49] <th> the important thing is to know about modi
[21:49] <brian|lfs> so I do a :wq
[21:49] <th> insert mode is what you know from notepad
[21:49] <brian|lfs> :wq I mean
[21:50] <mnemoc> dG is nice
[21:51] <brian|lfs> what does dG do
[21:51] <mnemoc> deletes until the end of the file
[21:51] <brian|lfs> cool
[21:51] <stf^rocklinux> dd deletes a single line
[21:52] <brian|lfs> how do I get a list of commands when in vi
[21:52] <brian|lfs> if I forget all this
[21:52] <mnemoc> man vi ?
[21:52] <mnemoc> :h ?
[21:52] <stf^rocklinux> in vi, use :h
[21:52] <brian|lfs> ok
[21:52] <stf^rocklinux> and :q to exit help
[21:53] <brian|lfs> I was very confused how crystal pic up my drvies
[21:53] <brian|lfs> it had them in a weird from that grub don't recognize
[21:53] <brian|lfs> it had it in a long path with part3 at the end
[21:56] <stf^rocklinux> you mean something like /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 ?
[21:58] <stf^rocklinux> as long as the installer does recognize your drives, it doesn't matter whether it accesses them via /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3 or e.g. /dev/hda3, it's all the same...
[21:59] <brian|lfs> hmm wil it nevr isntalled grub it failed and said unrecognized
[22:00] <brian|lfs> ya I mean something like /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part3
[22:02] <brian|lfs> wierd the : stuff don't work in the windows vi
[22:02] <stf^rocklinux> hm, please give the exact error message, if possible, this way it's easier to figure out what went wrong.
[22:04] <stf^rocklinux> btw. which iso are you using? crystal-th20060624.iso?
[22:04] <brian|lfs> ya that one
[22:06] <stf^rocklinux> maybe you can also check if the appropriate modules for your hard disk are loaded, and if it is properly detected when booting from CD.
[22:06] <brian|lfs> ya I'm going to try the isntall again
[22:07] <stf^rocklinux> e.g. on my hardware I get the kernel boot message:
[22:07] <stf^rocklinux> Probing IDE interface ide1...
[22:07] <stf^rocklinux> hda: max request size: 128KiB
[22:07] <stf^rocklinux> hda: 156368016 sectors (80060 MB) w/2048KiB Cache, CHS=65535/16/63, UDMA(100)
[22:07] <stf^rocklinux> hda: cache flushes supported
[22:07] <stf^rocklinux>  hda: hda1 hda2 hda3 < hda5 hda6 hda7 >
[22:07] <brian|lfs> why isn't the : stuff workign I"m looking tin the windows vi manual and it shows those commands
[22:08] <stf^rocklinux> no idea.. does anything happen when you type e.g. :w
[22:08] <stf^rocklinux> ?
[22:09] <brian|lfs> just tried it on a linux box it worked
[22:09] <brian|lfs> nope
[22:09] <brian|lfs> on winvi nope
[22:10] <stf^rocklinux> well, no idea :( I never used vi on win
[22:45] <esden> re moin
[22:47] <stf^rocklinux> wb
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[23:13] <esden> hrm ... 
[23:14] <esden> what is that svn up doing so long .. I only want to update rock checkout ... o_O
[23:41] <stf^rocklinux> esden: svn up works here... quite fast I might add
[23:44] <esden> stf^rocklinux: sure ... but when the checkout is a bit old ... and some people seem to have used chainsaw on the files in it ... then it takes some time and breaks every minute to tell you that there is a file that should not be there ...
[23:44] <esden> total mes
[23:44] <esden> but now I managed it to get the thing working
[23:46] <stf^rocklinux> esden: try to checkout a file named con.patch on windows, it simply won't work ^^
[23:47] <esden> erm ... 8.3 problem?
[23:48] <stf^rocklinux> no, con is a "device file" in dos (and windows) it's somewhat of the equivalent of /dev/console
[23:48] <stf^rocklinux> and apparently even in win xp, no regular files named con* must exist rofl
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[23:49] <stf^rocklinux> hence svn cannot create a file named con.patch on an win partition.
[23:50] <stf^rocklinux> (under windows, that is)
[23:55] <esden> that is hilarous ... I have heard about that behaviour some time ago ... I think there is something similar with files named "lpt"?
[23:55] <esden> or similar?
[23:55] <stf^rocklinux> I even sent a patch to SubMaster so that I could checkout ROCK trunk under windows...
[23:55] <stf^rocklinux> yeah, iirc lpt refers to the printer device
[23:57] <stf^rocklinux> I wonder what the ones working at tech support tell people when they try to create con.* files ^^
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