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[09:01] <blindcoder> moin
[10:37] <esden> moin
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[13:35] <ti8it> Hi. On my crystal trunk install, rocket [f]search and the like do not work. There is a /var/adm/rocket/descs directory but it is empty. I think rocket is supposed to look at /var/adm/descs?
[13:38] <blindcoder> probably, yes
[13:38] <blindcoder> but there's also Sonar
[13:38] <blindcoder> unfortunately, th didn't submit the latest information to it
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[13:46] <th> blindcoder: sorry i was out of town - just arrived.
[13:48] <blindcoder> th: well, you did finish and upload the build?
[13:49] <th> no
[13:49] <th> sorry - i'll be "back" for rock tonight.
[13:49] <blindcoder> then where did ti8it download it?
[13:50] <th> propably $topic?
[13:50] <ti8it> yupp
[13:50] <th> nothing more recent is currently available from my side
[13:52] <blindcoder> th: can you upload the sonar data for that?
[13:52] <th> there was a helper script for this, right?
[13:52] <blindcoder> or did I just forget to put it on the site?
[13:52] <blindcoder> yes
[13:52] <blindcoder> misc/archive/sonar.sh
[13:52] <blindcoder> which revision is it?
[13:53] <blindcoder> 7564?
[13:53] <blindcoder> ah, no
[13:53] <th> perhaps we can decide about a set of patches which may be applied because of the latest builds
[13:53] <th> then - i'd like to start a vanilla build again
[13:53] <th> i had 3 non-vanillas in a row...
[13:53] <blindcoder> the freetype patches
[13:53] <blindcoder> and only those
[13:53] <th> my latest journal without cups perhaps
[13:54] <th> is there more issues than cups in my latest build?
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[13:55] <blindcoder> in the latest build, don't think so
[13:56] <blindcoder> only ina new one the freetype linking problems
[13:57] <th> "ina"?
[13:57] <th> "in a " ok
[13:57] <th> ok - so do you agree that we should apply my latest build patches w/o cups?
[13:57] <th> i'm in a hurry - as i said - will be back tonight
[13:57] <th> for rock
[14:01] <blindcoder> yes
[14:14] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[14:15] <stf^rocklinux> xorg 6.9 is is still not usable with latest freetype, despite patches (all characters are displayed as rectangles) :(
[14:29] <fake> svn should work again
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[14:31] <fake> phoenix's harddrive was full again
[14:31] <fake> we need a new server
[14:31] <daja77_> so sm works again too?
[14:33] <blindcoder> fake: what does fill up the harddrives?
[14:34] <fake> blindcoder: clifford's spam mailbox ;)
[14:34] <fake> we're on the ege of hard drive space for like a year now
[14:34] <fake> i'm going to write a mail to rock-devel
[14:35] <blindcoder> fake: well, I delete my spammails daily
[14:35] <blindcoder> *cough*
[14:35] <blindcoder> /dev/mapper/30bde4b00ded51091c96baac49ff74d4
[14:35] <blindcoder>                       466G   33M  466G   1% /mnt/generic
[14:35] <blindcoder> guess I could host his spambox :)
[14:35] <blindcoder> (that's 3 250 GB harddisks in a RAID 5 with encryption)
[14:36] <blindcoder> once the probelm with dm-crypt over RAID is solve I could donate a harddisk
[14:46] <fake> blindcoder: it's not only the harddisk that's making my sleep worse
[14:47] <blindcoder> fake: is it going up in flames?
[14:47] <blindcoder> fake: well, hetzner has very affordable prices and nice machines
[14:50] <fake> blindcoder: ack.
[14:50] <fake> blindcoder: someone would need to pay it, though
[14:50] <fake> blindcoder: and that's a little more problematic
[14:51] <fake> blindcoder: because for companies to donate money, we would need to be able to write those 'spendenquittungen'
[14:51] <fake> blindcoder: and to be able to do that, we would need to become any form of a 'legal body'
[14:51] <fake> blindcoder: a company, an e.V., et alas
[14:52] <fake> wait, no, companies can't write them
[14:52] <fake> however.
[14:52] <fake> i wouldn't want to rent the server personally, and then sit on the costs (be they low, that doesn't matter), because you guys always 'forget' to send me your 5 $ ;)
[14:53] <fake> otoh, i wanted to switch server for long now
[14:53] <fake> *servers
[14:53] <blindcoder> how much traffic does submaster create?
[14:53] <blindcoder> and what kind of other infrastructure does it need?
[14:53] <stf^rocklinux> an e.V. sounds nice, I've been toying with this idea for some time...
[14:54] <fake> we're below 1 TB, i have some 700 GB in mind somehow 
[14:54] <fake> can't remember where i picked it up, though
[14:54] <fake> let me check
[14:54] <fake> ifconfig's Rx + Tx / uptime
[14:54] <fake> RX bytes:1649432810 (1573.0 Mb)  TX bytes:637107248 (607.5 Mb)
[14:55] <fake> 14:54:56 up 78 days,  7:34,  1 user,  load average: 0.36, 0.63, 0.97
[14:55] <fake> now that's not much
[14:55] <fake> 27 MB / day
[14:56] <fake> 838 MB / month
[14:56] <fake> that's a piece of cake
[14:56] <fake> strange.
[14:56] <blindcoder> I could host that on Pallas
[14:56] <fake> maybe the interface went down...
[14:57] <blindcoder> I'm not talking about all of Phoenix, I'm not cliff's mailserver
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[14:57] <blindcoder> btw, is there any way of getting a blindcoder@rocklinux.org mailinglist (forwarded to my normal account @scavenger.homeip.net)?
[14:58] <fake> a mailing_list_ ?
[14:58] <blindcoder> err, mailaddress
[14:58] <blindcoder> sorry, been busy with lists the last hour or so
[14:58] <fake> sure
[14:59] <fake> holy shit, it's running sendmail...
[14:59] <blindcoder> err
[15:00] <blindcoder> okay, nevermind then
[15:00] <fake> i'm having a look
[15:01] <fake> okay, found it ( i think )
[15:01] <stf^rocklinux> btw. could I get an email account at rocklinux.org? My university is permanently shutting down their free email server for students at the end of year...
[15:01] <fake> what;s your complete address, blindcoder ?
[15:02] <blindcoder> fake: blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net
[15:02] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that's not really intended, just forwards...
[15:02] <fake> stf^rocklinux: but on the new server...
[15:02] <fake> stf^rocklinux: ;)
[15:03] <stf^rocklinux> fake: ic. know a decent free email service?
[15:05] <stf^rocklinux> anyway, it's not important right now, the deadline is end of october.
[15:06] <fake> blindcoder: you should have mail
[15:06] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i hope the new server is up until then!!
[15:07] <fake> stf^rocklinux: all the free email services i know suck
[15:07] <stf^rocklinux> fake: that would be great. Do you plan to use it for gem repositories as well?
[15:08] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I could give you an address on pallas
[15:08] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that's all open for discussion
[15:12] <blindcoder> fake: got it, thanks :)
[15:13] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: thx a lot. I'll probably come back to it :)
[15:17] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: for rock you could use gmail
[15:18] <blindcoder> wasn't there a gmail-fs for linux once?
[15:18] <blindcoder> where you could mount a gmail account as filesystem?
[15:18] <daja77_> think so
[15:18] <blindcoder> fake: go register some gmail accounts! lots of filesystem space!
[15:18] <stf^rocklinux> daja77_: can I access it via kmail?
[15:18] <daja77_> :D
[15:18] <daja77_> iirc they have pop or imap access as well
[15:19] <mnemoc> gmail doens't provide imap, and the pop is done duplicating the mails
[15:20] <daja77_> d'oh
[16:11] <fake> hm...
[16:11] <fake> https://www.server4you.de/de/d/showplan.php?products=0
[16:11] <fake> 44 EUR / month for 12 months and no setup fee with unlimited traffic
[16:12] <th> http://feuersenger.net/IXServertest0606.pdf
[16:12] <th> 1und1 offers unlimited traffic btew
[16:12] <th> s/btew/btw/
[16:13] <mnemoc> fake: i have 2 of those
[16:15] <fake> th: really? they limit me to 300 GB...i should switch.
[16:15] <fake> th: i'm pretty happy with my 1&1 root server
[16:16] <blindcoder> fake: I haven't heard anything good about server4you
[16:17] <fake> th: hetzner is pretty much ahead in that test
[16:18] <fake> th: but that's just the machine, we don't need a machine that fast
[16:20] <mnemoc> fake: try downloading something from here: http://dl.geeks.cl/t2/mirror/current/   that is one of those machines of server4you
[16:22] <blindcoder> 100%[==================================================================================================================>] 9,262,002      6.31M/s
[16:22] <blindcoder> nice speed :-)
[16:22] <mnemoc> blindcoder: and from here: http://83.133.81.222/mirror/t2-source/2.2 ?
[16:22] <fake> mnemoc: so you are satisifed?
[16:23] <blindcoder> 100%[==================================================================================================================>] 9,262,002      7.70M/s
[16:23] <mnemoc> fake: the service is discusting, the badwidth is very varaible, and the contract is discussting. beside that, i'm happy
[16:23] Action: blindcoder .oO( the same thing other people have said )
[16:23] <blindcoder> well, it is a hoster specialising in game servers...
[16:23] <mnemoc> blindcoder: the second is at webperoni.de, with a much more stable bandwidth
[16:24] <blindcoder> personally, I'm very happy with hetzner
[16:24] <blindcoder> they really do a _lot_ to get a customers server back online
[16:24] <blindcoder> and they admit it if they fsck something up :)
[16:24] <mnemoc> but the f* setup fee :(
[16:25] <blindcoder> hetzner?
[16:25] <mnemoc> yep
[16:25] <blindcoder> 60 euro, that's not much
[16:25] <blindcoder> like I said, I could afford the ds 3000 (1TB/month)
[16:25] <mnemoc> for the old machines it's 69
[16:25] <mnemoc> for the normals 150
[16:25] <blindcoder> but I'm not quite willing to also host cliffords spl stuff or other toys
[16:26] <blindcoder> and I wouldn't be able to afford extra bandwidth
[16:29] <mnemoc> uhm, nice... they upgraded the DS3000 to athlon 64
[16:29] <mnemoc> it was athlon xp the last month
[16:29] <blindcoder> hehe
[16:29] <blindcoder> well, we don't have a 64 bit version anyway
[16:29] <blindcoder> lacking hardware
[16:30] <blindcoder> and it'd be strange to host ROCK stuff on non-ROCK Linux :-)
[16:30] <mnemoc> blindcoder: give me your public key and i give you access to my 'build server'
[16:31] <mnemoc> blindcoder: replacing the OS remotly is painful, but not impossible
[16:31] <blindcoder> mnemoc: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/id_rsa.pub
[16:31] <blindcoder> heh, I've done it before at a hetzner server
[16:31] <blindcoder> Pallas, now hosting sonar.rocklinux.org among others
[16:32] <mnemoc> blindcoder: sudo is ok?
[16:32] <blindcoder> mnemoc: great!
[16:35] <mnemoc> blindcoder: query, and test :)
[16:39] <fake> i have lots of 64 bit hardware
[16:39] <fake> except for my notebook & router, my pcs are all 64bit AMDs
[16:39] <blindcoder> fake: so where are the 64 Bit Crystal builds?
[16:39] <fake> blindcoder: 2 months ahead, if you start paying my salary ;)
[16:40] <blindcoder> fake: I'd prefer you sending me the hardware so that someone can work on it :)
[16:41] <fake> blindcoder: the hardware is so cheap, boards are 70 EUR for cheap ones, and a CPU you get for 100 EUR
[16:41] <fake> blindcoder: you can re-use the rest
[16:43] <blindcoder> fake: like my RAMBus?
[16:45] <blindcoder> I'd have upgraded my machine for ages if it weren't for the additional RAM to be bought
[16:50] <blindcoder> maybe I can afford a new computer after the next tax refund
[16:50] <blindcoder> (due end august to mid september)
[16:50] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta run now
[16:50] <blindcoder> bbl
[17:00] <fake> ram is cheap atm, too
[17:05] <fake> *ROFL*
[17:05] <fake> Jetzt für 3 Euro gratis wetten
[17:08] Action: fake bbl
[17:09] <daja77_> hehe
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[20:02] <blindcoder> re
[20:06] <stf^rocklinux> wb, just in time for the semifinale ;)
[20:06] <blindcoder> heh
[20:06] <blindcoder> who cares about that?
[20:07] <stf^rocklinux> Germans?
[20:07] <stf^rocklinux> and Italians, of course ^^
[20:07] <stf^rocklinux> btw. I'm doing a test build with X11R7.1, maybe that works with latest freetype...
[20:08] <stf^rocklinux> it will be ready for testing tomorrow.
[20:51] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: how buildable is trunk atm?
[20:52] <stf^rocklinux> with my patches, it's buildable, but xorg is unusable...
[20:52] <fake> germany is so gonna win!
[20:52] <stf^rocklinux> [14:11:40] <stf^rocklinux> xorg 6.9 is is still not usable with latest freetype, despite patches (all characters are displayed as rectangles) :(
[20:52] <blindcoder> okay, that's good enough for me
[20:52] <fake> trunk is unusable??
[20:53] <stf^rocklinux> fake: yes, because of the freetype security update.
[20:53] <fake> who wanted a feature freeze ?
[20:53] <fake> ;-)
[20:53] <fake> oh, i.c.
[20:53] Action: fake starting a crystal build
[20:54] <stf^rocklinux> not that I'm blaming anyone here, I think the security updates are allright.
[20:54] <fake> sure thing. regressions have to be dealt with, the security stuff needs to go in ASAP
[20:54] <stf^rocklinux> It's just that I'd like to have a working xorg again asap, without reverting the freetype update :)
[20:55] <blindcoder> fake: to answer your question: everyone wanted it :)
[20:56] <stf^rocklinux> fake: ah, yes. me too!
[20:59] <fake> i just read that today
[20:59] <fake> i was in .de relaxing a little and working a lot last week
[20:59] <stf^rocklinux> fake: I guess th will apply the patches from his latest build tomorrow, except the cups update, which proved to be badly supported in kde 3.5.3...
[21:01] <stf^rocklinux> after that I'd like very much to apply only bugfixes (and updates necessary to build crystal packages).
[21:02] <fake> i fully agree.
[21:02] <fake> i will do another test build using updated gcc 4.1 and glibc 2.4 for crystal now
[21:02] Action: blindcoder has some Baileys *slurp*
[21:02] <stf^rocklinux> btw. I'm using latest test build and I noticed only one bug not related to freetype and libpng.
[21:03] <fake> i want to switch to those after the freeze
[21:03] <blindcoder> waitwait, does that mean we might actually get a release out _this_ *year*?
[21:03] <fake> blindcoder: we'll see ;)
[21:04] <stf^rocklinux> that bug is in man, and it's fixed by an update (btw. tibit noticed it, really).
[21:08] <stf^rocklinux> btw. what do you think of hosting svn repositories (and only those) at sf.net? At least it's for free, and I don't see any attached obligation to use other hosting services from sf as well...
[21:11] <th> ok - so everything except cups to be applied?
[21:11] <th> from my last iso
[21:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: I don't think that's good
[21:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: mostly because we can't get hooks there easily
[21:11] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: which has proven necessary a few times
[21:12] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: with the amount of traffic clifford posted, I could host rl.net easily on Pallas
[21:12] <stf^rocklinux> th: I say yes, although it's not 100% certain that kde 3.5.3 works the same way with cups 1.1.23 as kde 3.5.2 did... 
[21:13] <blindcoder> th: apply fast, I want to start a build :)
[21:13] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: ic. If it's impractical, it's probably not a good idea.
[21:21] <stf^rocklinux> regarding the cups+kde update, it seems that kde 3.5.3 is still closer to the cups 1.1.23 api than to 1.2, so my guess is that it will works just fine with 1.1.23.
[21:22] <fake> arghl, th, i just created my journal ;)
[21:23] <th> gimme a second.
[21:23] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i can host the svn repo, that's surely not the problem.
[21:23] <th> checking for other hotfixes
[21:23] <fake> sf.net = cvs ?
[21:23] <th> sf has svn
[21:23] <fake> cool
[21:23] <blindcoder> no
[21:23] <blindcoder> they have svn for some time now
[21:23] <stf^rocklinux> yes, it offers both
[21:23] <th> but no hooks
[21:23] <th> i gues
[21:23] <fake> anyways, svn is the least pita
[21:23] <blindcoder> though quite unaccessible wrt. hooks
[21:24] <fake> i just ordered an upgrade of my root-server from 1&1 today
[21:24] <fake> with unlimited traffic
[21:24] <fake> muaha.
[21:24] <blindcoder> th: got everything applied?
[21:24] <fake> (yes, i read the agb)
[21:25] <blindcoder> fake: so you're going to host rl.net?
[21:25] <th> please wait
[21:25] <stf^rocklinux> btw. there's "stf's test journal (X11R7.1)", which features th's latest journal, hotfixes, and all X11R7.1 patches
[21:25] <th> i'll let you know when i'm fready
[21:25] <blindcoder> okay
[21:25] <fake> blindcoder: i could. 
[21:25] <fake> blindcoder: but not clifford's other projects, as you mentioned, i have no real personal interest in them ;)
[21:26] <blindcoder> fake: my point exactly
[21:26] Action: fake watching some soccer now, til' th is finished
[21:26] <blindcoder> that reminds me
[21:26] <stf^rocklinux> that journal should build fine, but if it works at run-time is another question. my first (livecd) test build simply hang when running e.g. start...
[21:26] <stf^rocklinux> startx
[21:32] <th> ok
[21:32] <th> that's it
[21:32] <th> finished
[21:32] <th> anything missing?
[21:40] <stf^rocklinux> afaics no
[21:40] <fake> nice
[21:40] <fake> then i'm gonna start a build now
[21:41] <fake> i'm just going to build vanilla trunk, and after that i'll compare it to gcc 4.1.1 / glibc 2.4
[21:42] Action: blindcoder watching the ascii-wm
[21:42] <stf^rocklinux> wait, 2006070220062729167 is missing (isdn4kutils fix with only automake19), if you haven't applied it manually.
[21:43] <th> i did that manually. looks like i need to mark it as applied in smng then
[21:44] <stf^rocklinux> ok :)
[21:46] <blindcoder> heh, what an english :)
[21:47] <stf^rocklinux> th: 2006062420313526872 is also needed to build sysfiles (sysfiles tries to install non-existent hwscan without that)
[21:50] <blindcoder> "the Roma director is angehuepft the Chelsea player!"
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[22:08] <blindcoder> erm
[22:08] <blindcoder> guys?
[22:08] <blindcoder> ERROR: Found download/mirror/k/koffice-l10n-ru-1.5.1.tar.bz2.extck-err.
[22:09] <blindcoder> RROR: did not match it's filename extension. Remove the *.extck-err file
[22:09] <blindcoder> ERROR: Found download/mirror/k/kde-i18n-ru-3.5.3.tar.bz2.extck-err.
[22:09] Action: blindcoder tries again
[22:09] <blindcoder> hmm
[22:09] <blindcoder> not on the mirrors yet
[22:10] <blindcoder> okay, everything's fine now
[22:10] <blindcoder> go back to sleep :)
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[22:34] <fake> *chrrr*
[22:35] <blindcoder> no snoring in this chan
[22:35] <blindcoder> you get fined three handstands
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