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[07:20] <blindcoder> moin
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[08:44] <owl>  moin
[08:45] <blindcoder> moin moin
[08:46] <owl> hi blindcoder 
[08:51] <blindcoder> fake, stf^rocklinux, th, daja77: does anyone of you know why we have a [V] 0000 tag in linux.desc?
[08:51] <blindcoder> and other places, too?
[09:44] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[09:44] <owl> hi stf^rocklinux 
[09:45] <stf^rocklinux> hi owl :)
[09:45] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: not really, I guess to be safe should the non-forked linux package ever appear in the package list...
[09:47] <stf^rocklinux> bbs
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[09:48] <blindcoder> I see
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[11:56] <esden> moin
[11:57] <owl> hi esden 
[12:06] <esden> hi owl 
[12:07] <esden> ohh man ... ... das ist krank ... man hat xml ... und dann erfinden die was neues "binary xml" warum macht man es dann nicht von anfang an so? ... der ganze overhead der letzten 10 jahre wuerde in nichts verschwinden
[12:07] <esden> *seufz*
[12:07] <owl> ABM-massnahmen?
[12:07] <esden> humm ... kann schon sein
[12:08] <owl> also bei masosoft kommt das ja z.b. oefters vor... wuerde mcih nicht wundern, wenn andere jetzt da nachziehen... 
[12:39] <fake> blindcoder: that's split package stuff
[12:44] <fake> crystal_rev7721_20060710_cd1.iso installing
[12:49] <blindcoder> fake: I see
[12:49] <blindcoder> fake: but not every split/forked package has it
[12:49] <blindcoder> esden: libebml?
[12:50] <fake> blindcoder: if the 'root' package of a pkgfork is buildable, it shouldnt ;)
[12:50] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[12:50] <blindcoder> fake: so my pkgupdpatch is somewhat correct :)
[12:50] <fake> otherwise, it's only relevant if the pkgfork doesn't override [V] (which is obviously not that common)
[12:51] <fake> blindcoder: i think a release this week isn't that weird
[12:51] <blindcoder> well, it is relevant for Create-PkgUpdPatch, too :)
[12:52] <blindcoder> fake: bittorent's curses interface doesn't wor
[12:52] <blindcoder> k
[12:52] <fake> a lot of things don't work.
[12:52] <blindcoder> the scripts/* thing with forked packages should be fine now
[12:52] <blindcoder> I think I got them all
[12:53] <fake> not everything has to work. i think the 'everyting needs to work' policy is what kept us back so long. let the curses frontend of the bittorrent client be broken
[12:53] <fake> that doesn't harm like 90% of the users
[12:53] <blindcoder> well, bittorrent isn't CORE anyway
[12:53] <fake> as long as the kernel, the installer, ... work.
[12:54] <blindcoder> I guess they mostly do
[12:54] <blindcoder> fake: besdies, the everything needs to work' wasn't my idea. keeping trunk 100% non-broken is IMO a flawed concept to begin with
[12:55] <blindcoder> but I guess i've been talking about that enough already :)
[12:55] <fake> trunk should work as good as possible.
[12:57] <blindcoder> well, there are changes that may not be possible with a single commit
[12:57] <blindcoder> think about runtime depencies
[12:57] <blindcoder> or splitting system.init 
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[12:58] <blindcoder> simply because "It Works For Me" but it probably will show problems for someone else
[13:01] <fake> r7221 crystal iso looks fine
[13:01] <fake> except that evbug is still there
[13:02] <blindcoder> why is evbug loaded, even?
[13:02] <fake> udev loads it
[13:02] <fake> why, i don't know
[13:03] <blindcoder> we could go the easy way and just not build it
[13:04] <fake> that's what i plan to do.
[13:04] <fake> it's a debugging module
[13:04] <blindcoder> btw, should I announce the feature freeze on newssitse? Or wait for the release?
[13:04] <fake> wait for the rc
[13:05] <blindcoder> ok
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[13:13] <blindcoder> fake: btw, what's the status of the auto-apply thingie?
[13:22] <blindcoder> fake: btw, what do you think of 2006071010395331409?
[13:22] <blindcoder> I'm not sure if that counts as bugfix
[13:24] <fake> making openssh pkgforkable is a new feature
[13:24] <fake> though i like the changes to the init script
[13:25] <fake> the stone module renaming will hardly work, though
[13:25] <fake> if i install a forked package, the same stone module gets installed twice, calling name clashes
[13:26] <th> finally our sshd init script creates keys on demand?
[13:27] <th> ahh no
[13:27] <th> misread it.
[13:27] <th> disregard me.
[13:27] <fake> what's wrong with postinstall-creating them?
[13:32] <blindcoder> fake: basically, it's a fix to make -prefix work :)
[13:32] <blindcoder> fake: Build-Pkg -prefix, that is
[13:33] <fake> i see...
[13:33] <blindcoder> fake: but if you think it's too much I won't complain, either
[13:33] <fake> despite the .conf change, i like it very much
[13:34] <blindcoder> the .conf change won't work anyway
[13:34] <blindcoder> I didn't think about the way stone reads its modules
[13:34] <blindcoder> I'll resubmit without the .conf
[13:35] <fake> sw33t!
[13:36] <blindcoder> 2006071013362220957
[13:37] <blindcoder> the rocklogbot seems to be stable now, too
[13:40] <blindcoder> fake: did you ever use the Tunnel support in ssh? -w, not -R or -L
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[13:42] <fake> no, what is it?
[13:42] <fake> i once used ppp over ssh...
[13:47] <blindcoder> it's "VPN fuer Arme"
[13:47] <blindcoder> you do:
[13:47] <blindcoder> ssh -w any:any server
[13:47] <blindcoder> and get a new tun device on both machines
[13:48] <blindcoder> you can set them up as point-to-point devices
[13:48] <blindcoder> and then route your layer-3 traffic over the ssh connection :)
[13:49] <blindcoder> with some creative iptables rules you can probably NAT all your local traffic from that box :)
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[14:09] <fake> nice... i have to try that!
[14:09] <fake> now i'm off to work, uploading the iso
[14:09] <fake> brb
[14:20] <blindcoder> have fun :)
[14:41] <fake> re
[14:41] <fake> upload running
[14:42] <blindcoder> sweet ):
[14:42] <blindcoder> :)
[14:42] Action: blindcoder updating the horribly outdated bittorrent package
[14:42] <blindcoder> and I'm writing an abstract for the new installer which has been bugging me for a few weeks now
[15:00] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:00] <blindcoder> this looks good :)
[15:02] <fake> 35% uploaded
[15:02] <blindcoder> ^^
[15:02] <blindcoder> that's the rc?
[15:21] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:21] <blindcoder> I'm proud of myself
[15:21] <blindcoder> The Abstract including code example is 75 lines and <3000 Byte
[15:22] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
[15:22] <blindcoder>    4     10.07.2006 15:14:04 eBay Member: welshdr (  17K) [SPAM] Question from eBay member
[15:23] <blindcoder> the fun thing is, I don't rewrite the Subject:
[15:23] <blindcoder> the spam came in with the [SPAM] tag :)
[15:43] <blindcoder> okay, I couldn't wait >_S<
[15:43] <blindcoder> >_<
[15:43] <blindcoder> http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Abstract_New_Installer
[15:47] <esden> blindcoder: reading ;)
[15:51] <blindcoder> note that I didn't actually test the example scripts
[15:51] <blindcoder> so syntax errors are part of the documentation :)
[15:53] <esden> erm .. *cough* ok ... so you want to implement the install system in a way so that also your typos get understood?
[15:53] <esden> patching bash is fun ;)
[15:53] <blindcoder> *nod*
[15:53] <blindcoder> there may be a few patches to the bash syntax necessary, rewriting a few scripts in the process, but that'll be fine
[15:54] <blindcoder> esden: anyway, what do you think of it?
[15:54] <blindcoder> in the end, what I want to achieve is something like this:
[15:55] <blindcoder> mod_install brings with it, for example, mod_partition
[15:55] <blindcoder> mod_partition will be enhanced by mod_partition_fdisk, mod_partitition_cfdisk and mod_partition_sfdisk (supplied by their respective packages)
[15:56] <blindcoder> s/mod_partition/mod_install_partition/g
[15:58] <esden> sure ... abstraction and implementation insulation is always a good idea
[15:59] <blindcoder> *cough* syntax error
[15:59] <blindcoder> used != instead of ==
[15:59] <blindcoder> well, logic error :)
[15:59] <blindcoder> esden: yes. right now it's one big chunk of code
[15:59] <esden> blindcoder: no ... you have to patch bash so that != is equal == ;)
[15:59] <blindcoder> esden: which is a pain to enhance
[16:00] <blindcoder> esden: and if for some reason the supportive scripts aren't there (because they've been intentionally left out, for example)
[16:00] <esden> humm ... unmaintainable ... sure it has to be splitted
[16:00] <blindcoder> esden: the option will still be there, but not usable
[16:01] <blindcoder> and that's what I want to fix
[16:01] <blindcoder> I learned that first when "back then" I tried to add RAID support
[16:03] <blindcoder> so with this system, if for some reason mdadm is not included, the mod_install_partition_raid (for example) module will also not be there, thus not offering the raid setup
[16:04] <blindcoder> of course, there will be more .sh.install files necessary for raid
[16:06] <blindcoder> mod_install_partition_raid, mod_install_fstab_raid, mod_install_filesystems_raid
[16:06] <blindcoder> are the ones that come to mind right now
[16:07] <blindcoder> although I'm not sure if mod_install_fstab_raid is necessary
[16:07] <blindcoder> but those are implementation details
[16:25] <blindcoder> I just realized
[16:26] <blindcoder> basically, every script is a subscript of mod_install
[16:41] <fake> ARRRGH
[16:41] <fake> crystal_rev7721_20060710_cd1.iso                                                                                             65%  439MB   0.0KB/s - stalled -Read from remote host f4k3.net: Connection timed out
[16:41] <fake> lost connection
[16:42] <fake> ok, i'll try to resume ... *narf*
[16:42] <th> use rsync
[16:45] <blindcoder> hehe
[16:45] <blindcoder> btw, any comments to http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Abstract_New_Installer will be appreciated :)
[16:45] <blindcoder> I'm off to hit some people over the head now
[16:45] <blindcoder> bbl
[16:54] <fake> have fun ;)
[16:57] <owl> bye blindcoder 
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[17:10] <daja77_> hi fake, when are going to release
[17:14] <fake> 99% ...
[17:15] <fake> daja77_: the rc ISO is just coming up
[17:15] <fake> daja77_: i'll test it, and you are encouraged to do so, too, and depending on the bugs i'd say the next vanilla iso is it...
[17:16] <fake> or, to put it right, the sources with which i'll build the next vanilla iso with the fixes in it
[17:16] <fake> oh great. now it's stuck at 99%
[17:16] <fake> come _on_
[17:19] <daja77_> i have a security fix for the kernel, hope that doesn't matter
[17:20] <fake> security fixes are fine
[17:20] <daja77_> sry i was a bit away the last days, having sort of holidays ..
[17:20] <fake> just send it to sm, don't apply right now please
[17:21] <fake> you lazy bastard ;)
[17:21] <daja77_> yeah, what's worse is that I probably fell in love on saturday
[17:22] <daja77_> or better in the early sunday morning :)
[17:22] <fake> oh jesus - there goes our security team.
[17:22] <fake> ;-)
[17:22] <daja77_> no don't worry :)
[17:23] <daja77_> hm still error while uploading
[17:32] <fake> daja77_: unfortunately, yes.
[17:32] <fake> daja77_: so, tell me about her!
[17:33] <fake> daja77_: or him, doesn't matter ;)
[17:33] <daja77_> :P
[18:05] <esden> fake: you have a comment in your blog ...
[18:05] <esden> and hello sbtw
[18:07] <fake> hi esden ;)
[18:08] <fake> arghl. th's cellphone, anyone?
[18:09] <fake> query, of course
[18:12] <fake> forget it, found it
[18:21] <fake> esden: where?
[18:25] <th> i'm heer
[18:43] <esden> fake: in your blog ... in the post about the teac stuff
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[19:05] <esden> ok ... cu guys
[19:10] <fake> esden: i can't see a comment...
[19:12] <esden> strange
[19:14] <esden> "Comment authentication failed!"
[19:14] <esden> humm ... ok
[19:14] <esden> you request my email adress?
[19:14] <esden> do I see it correctly?
[19:15] <esden> I hope it does not get posted with the comment (the mail adress)
[19:19] <esden> humm ... even after I created an account and logged in it is not possible to post a comment ...
[19:19] <esden> I have to go now 
[19:19] <esden> cu ... perhups later
[19:19] <esden> who knows
[19:26] <fake> i'll fix it in the meantime
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[19:29] <th> just a note:
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[19:30] <th> someone should add fake.
[19:30] <th> i think i'm not able to.
[19:30] #rocklinux: mode change '-o th' by th!n=th@80.78.84.66
[20:13] <fake> re hi
[22:58] <daja77_> re
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