[00:08] Action: fake off getting some food
[00:08] <fake> bbl
[00:11] <stf^rocklinux> cya
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[07:06] <blindcoder> moin
[07:06] <blindcoder> fake: for me it's impossible to test the rc this week. I'll be away from tomorrow until sunday
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[10:54] <owl> moin
[10:55] <blindcoder> moin moin
[10:55] <owl> hi blindy
[10:56] <owl> i feel kinda dead - my doc is a sadistic monster... *grml* 
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[10:58] <blindcoder> ain't they all?
[10:59] <owl> i am not sure. most of them are not pinning needles in your hands, neck and head ^^
[10:59] <blindcoder> I must have been seeing all the wrong docs
[11:00] <owl> y?
[11:01] <blindcoder> because they always use needles on me to inject something or another
[11:01] <owl> yeah, that too... 
[11:01] <owl> but that is another kind of sadism
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[11:53] <fake> moin
[11:53] <fake> blindcoder: then it's only me... oh well.
[11:55] <daja77> hi fake 
[12:01] <th> fake: is the rc2 build a vanilla build?
[12:01] <th> fake: out outstanding patches?
[12:02] <fake> th: i'm testing the patches in the RC2 journal
[12:02] <fake> th: if i see no regressions i'll apply them later today and upload the ISO(s)
[12:02] <fake> 337 builds total, 322 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[12:13] <fake> wait, i don't really understand that question
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[12:29] <blindcoder> fake: sorry :(
[12:31] <fake> blindcoder: maybe next time. you wanted to write a mail to the list with reasons why a release shouldn't happen this week?
[12:31] <blindcoder> fake: forget it, was a brain fart
[12:32] <blindcoder> fake: since we effectively had a freeze for some time already, most things did work and the rest has patches in submaster
[12:32] <blindcoder> fake: there may be the one or other thing I'm not satisfied with, but I'll live
[12:33] <fake> blindcoder: mkay. what are you up to the rest of the week?
[12:33] <blindcoder> fake: betriebsausflug
[12:33] <blindcoder> fake: kollektives firmenbesaeufnis
[12:33] <fake> where to?
[12:35] <blindcoder> Spitzingsattel
[12:35] <blindcoder> http://www.hotel-firstalm.de/
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[12:37] <fake> the alps?
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[12:37] <fake> almost home ;)
[12:37] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[12:37] <stf^rocklinux> wlan works now :)
[12:38] <blindcoder> yeah :)
[12:38] <blindcoder> fake: well, tomorrow evening there's a little "grillfest" with customers and staff
[12:38] <blindcoder> fake: then I'll stay in Munich over night
[12:38] <blindcoder> fake: and then we'll be off to the alps :)
[12:38] <blindcoder> so I'll be offline starting tomorrow morning
[12:39] <blindcoder> obviously, someone else needs to write the announcements then
[12:39] <fake> stf^rocklinux: with ndiswrapper? how fast is it?
[12:39] <blindcoder> here's a list where to post them to: symlink.ch, pro-linux.de, golem.de, lwn.net, /. (haha), osnews.com, distrowatch.com
[12:40] <fake> blindcoder: saved, thx
[12:40] <blindcoder> newsforge newsvac, too
[12:40] <stf^rocklinux> fake: haven't tested it extensively yet, altough there shouldn't be much overhead...
[12:40] <blindcoder> brb, gotta get dressed to change a CD
[12:41] <fake> blindcoder: heh, i know that...
[12:43] <stf^rocklinux> gotta finetune the wlan a bit more, bbl...
[12:43] <blindcoder> re
[12:43] <blindcoder> damn stupid esd area
[12:44] <blindcoder> it's not even a real esd area
[12:44] <blindcoder> it's just 'to look good when customers visit'
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[12:58] <fake> hi daja77_ !
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[13:12] <blindcoder> hehe, so much for the wlan :)
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[14:51] <ripclaw> hi
[14:51] <fake> hi!
[14:51] <owl> hi ripclaw !
[14:51] <ripclaw> hi fake, hi owl
[14:51] <fake> ripclaw: mind testing the new Release Candidate?
[14:51] <ripclaw> hows stuff going ? 
[14:51] <ripclaw> fake - what platform ?
[14:51] <fake> ripclaw: x86
[14:51] <ripclaw> i do not mind, i`m quite happy to do so :)
[14:52] <fake> ripclaw: http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Release_Candidates
[14:54] <ripclaw> ok, downloading.
[14:54] <ripclaw> anything particular you want me to stress ?
[14:55] <blindcoder> the stuff that breaks :)
[14:55] <daja77_> everything :)
[14:55] <ripclaw> ok, bugreports mail or IRC ?
[14:55] <blindcoder> mail
[14:56] <daja77_> do not forget the installer .. http://www.heise.de/newsticker/meldung/75431
[14:56] <blindcoder> installer?
[14:56] <blindcoder> heh
[14:56] <blindcoder> we specifically ask for a root password
[14:56] <ripclaw> i`ll give it a tough one...
[14:57] <ripclaw> hmm... i`ll have to re-subscribe to the mailinglist... is the spamlevel still high ?
[14:57] <blindcoder> there was spam?
[14:58] <blindcoder> IIRC there was only spam in lurker, since clifford opened its address to the world
[14:58] <ripclaw> i keep getting spam clearly targeted at users and lists on rocklinux.org
[14:58] <ripclaw> lurker ?
[14:59] <blindcoder> the web-archive of the mailinglist
[14:59] <blindcoder> can't say I do
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[14:59] <ripclaw> ok, i do get the same spam at ripclaw a rocklinux d org
[14:59] <blindcoder> but then, I only get a hundred spams a day, and occassionaly one gets through in a month
[14:59] <daja77_> sometimes there are $user@rocklinux.org spams
[14:59] <daja77_> but not that much
[14:59] <blindcoder> ah
[14:59] <ripclaw> yes
[15:00] <blindcoder> well, I only have that address for a few days :)
[15:00] <daja77_> hehe
[15:00] <ripclaw> i do not get spam at the accounts not used for FOS... :)
[15:00] <ripclaw> probably because no one sends me mail there...
[15:01] <blindcoder> hehe
[15:01] <blindcoder> I occassionally get spam at my company address
[15:01] <blindcoder> once a year, or so
[15:01] <ripclaw> happens :-)
[15:03] Action: blindcoder yawns
[15:05] <ripclaw> oh fsck, the oilprices are rising... no more salad for me...
[15:06] <blindcoder> I wonder about your dressings
[15:07] <ripclaw> :) you wanted to say you wander what i fuel my car with ?
[15:07] <ripclaw> preferrably salad leftovers... 
[15:08] <blindcoder> or that
[15:09] <blindcoder> I prefer to fuel it only once every other month
[15:10] <ripclaw> i had a car with that kind of large fueltank, too.
[15:10] <fake> the vw bus?
[15:10] <fake> btw: http://f4k3.net/gallery/v/family/bus/
[15:10] <ripclaw> yeah, it fits an IBC (1mx1mx1m) fueltank... its in line for complete overhaul now
[15:11] <daja77_> fake's tank :)
[15:11] <fake> ;P
[15:11] <ripclaw> tank - fuel tank or bulli ?
[15:12] <fake> not mine technically
[15:12] <ripclaw> fake - bulli ?
[15:13] <ripclaw> what technicalities
[15:13] <daja77_> fake: we can use mine in vienna soon i guess :)
[15:23] <blindcoder> ripclaw: nah, I just use 40 liter of diesel on ~800 km
[15:24] <th> daja77_: your in vienna as well? relocated?
[15:24] <ripclaw> diesel or poel ?
[15:24] <fake> diesel
[15:24] <daja77_> th: not yet, but yes
[15:24] <th> evryone seems to be moving there
[15:24] <th> what's the secret knowledge which i dont know?
[15:25] <ripclaw> why relocate to vienna ? its euro-union, too ...
[15:25] <blindcoder> VATERLANDSVERRAETER!
[15:25] <blindcoder> another one, even
[15:25] <blindcoder> XTaran also deserted to .ch
[15:25] <ripclaw> ch is ok :)
[15:25] <daja77_> argh damn freenode
[15:26] Nick change: daja77_ -> daja77
[15:26] <blindcoder> AARRGGHH
[15:26] <blindcoder> okay, this is so damn stupid
[15:26] <ripclaw> also, i do not know why cry for DE - i prefer myself as hessian... the govmt ere is nothing to be proud of
[15:26] <ripclaw> they break the law.
[15:26] <blindcoder> we can't get help from the people in munich 'because they are too expensive'
[15:26] <blindcoder> so we fly in a bunch of chinese...
[15:27] <blindcoder> ripclaw: see, it's why I'm a Barbarian err... Bavarian :)
[15:27] <ripclaw> *smiling* may swallow noodlesoup whole ?
[15:27] <ripclaw> :)
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[15:29] <ripclaw> preferrably not importing chinese... using bombay people... get stuck more at airport control :)
[15:29] <blindcoder> I prefer to have my food liquid, with a good vintage of malt and hop
[15:29] <blindcoder> we'll route them through bombay :)
[15:29] <ripclaw> what you got in suitcase ? bomb *screaming*
[15:30] <blindcoder> "No jokes about bombs!" - "We take our bombs very serious."
[15:30] <ripclaw> blindy - hop is not necessary - malt whiskey works with malt alone :)
[15:30] <ripclaw> and beer is no liquid, its grundnahrungsmittel
[15:31] <daja77> th: you remember that we had world domination on the roadmap? ;)
[15:31] <blindcoder> yeah, it's why it only has 7% VAT
[15:31] <ripclaw> wd2010 ?
[15:31] <ripclaw> lucky you - we have 16%
[15:31] <blindcoder> daja77: then go where no rocker has gone before!
[15:31] <ripclaw> on beer
[15:31] <ripclaw> but norwegians have 18 nkr per can 0,33 tax
[15:32] <daja77> blindcoder: hm dubai e.g.? ;)
[15:32] <blindcoder> ripclaw: yeah, same in berlin... hmm... if I take it from Berlin to Bavaria, will I get a tax refund?
[15:32] <ripclaw> you should !
[15:32] <blindcoder> ripclaw: or can I put it on my income tax refund?
[15:32] <blindcoder> daja77: the further the better
[15:32] <ripclaw> but if you take a beer from bavaria to berlin youre dax-lying...
[15:32] <blindcoder> daja77: err... that came out wrong
[15:32] <blindcoder> ripclaw: only if someone asks
[15:32] <blindcoder> but that reminds me
[15:33] <blindcoder> I have two boxes of empty beer bottles to take back to bavaria
[15:33] <ripclaw> you want to say - no accuser no hangman ?
[15:33] <fake> augustiner?
[15:33] <ripclaw> dominikaner ?
[15:33] <blindcoder> fake: gutmann
[15:33] <fake> aw...
[15:33] <blindcoder> fake: but near my new cave there is a shop selling edelstoff :D
[15:33] <fake> lucky you...
[15:34] <ripclaw> come to hessen... most beer in a single market !
[15:34] <blindcoder> ^o^
[15:34] <fake> i'm going to update mediawiki on rl.org to 1.6.8 now
[15:34] <fake> so it may be broken a little
[15:34] <daja77> 1.6?
[15:34] <ripclaw> pfungstadt - getraenke marhuhn - largest shop europe or worldwide...
[15:34] <fake> daja77: why not?
[15:34] <ripclaw> is it stable ?
[15:35] <daja77> what about the latest
[15:35] <ripclaw> aaargh
[15:35] <fake> that is the latest.
[15:35] <fake> 1.7 won't work because of the php5 requirement
[15:35] <daja77> ah yeah
[15:36] <fake> and i don't want to update php because <insert lame excuse here>
[15:36] <ripclaw> so why update the mediawicked ?
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[15:37] <daja77> ripclaw: so that we don't wait until someone uses the injection bugs
[15:37] <ripclaw> ok... i know its lame, but i use boa webserver:)
[15:37] <ripclaw> all static pages..
[15:39] <ripclaw> ls
[15:39] <ripclaw> sorry... wrong windo
[15:43] <daja77> i could paste some ls output if you like
[15:43] <ripclaw> :)
[15:48] <ripclaw> i wonder if init output works too ... *g
[15:49] <ripclaw> i have an idea for a cookie to dominate world markets !
[15:49] <ripclaw> fishermans anis with a spunk and bitter orange toppings... --- cash !!
[15:52] <fake> update done
[15:53] <daja77> thx
[15:54] <fake> RC2 build is almost done
[15:56] <ripclaw> lots of differences to what i am loading ?
[15:56] <fake> see http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Release_Candidate_Bugs
[15:57] <fake> the fixes to those problems is all that changed, so any additional bug report is still useful.
[15:58] <ripclaw> great, will try it out and report some
[15:59] <fake> very cool, thanks!
[15:59] <ripclaw> very cool changes on .org, btw. 
[15:59] <ripclaw> the RC is in there !!!!
[16:02] <fake> hum?
[16:02] <ripclaw> i noticed that there is a message about the RC on the front page *rumhuepf*
[16:03] <fake> yes, i edited it today
[16:03] <fake> do you mean .org or .net?
[16:03] <fake> i even added it to the "ROCK Linux News" on rl.net
[16:04] <ripclaw> rock-cool !
[16:04] <ripclaw> *daumen hoch*
[16:04] <ripclaw> .ork
[16:04] <owl> .oO( that is what i call "freudscher vertipper"... .ork .org - ^^ )
[16:05] <ripclaw> ouch... was zocking to much ytd..
[16:05] <owl> ytd?
[16:05] <daja77> the uf links on .net are broken :)
[16:05] <ripclaw> yesterday
[16:05] <ripclaw> i noticed today.
[16:07] <fake> daja77: i don't care. do you?
[16:07] <ripclaw> yes
[16:07] <owl> ah
[16:07] <ripclaw> *need my dose*
[16:08] <daja77> fake: not really, but i haven't visited uf since then :)
[16:08] <fake> there is a static link in the lower left corner
[16:09] <ripclaw> but thats only etc/BORG_PATHS
[16:11] <daja77> don't worry
[16:12] <ripclaw> you will be milated ?
[16:31] <ripclaw> .
[16:34] <mnemoc> w
[16:34] <mnemoc> o.o
[16:35] <ripclaw> dot
[16:35] <ripclaw> .
[16:36] <fake> hrm.
[16:36] <fake> we should CORE xsane
[16:37] <ripclaw> whats xsane ?
[16:37] <fake> otherwise there's no scanner support in gimp
[16:37] <ripclaw> and why does it coredump ?
[16:37] <fake> no, it doesn't. the CORE is a [F] Flag in the .desc file, selecting the package for crystal
[16:37] <ripclaw> *dong* headhitwallhitwall
[16:38] <daja77> fake: please do so, having kooka alone for scanning isn't that great anyway
[16:38] <ripclaw> scanner support is a good idea.
[16:38] <fake> daja77: then again, there is the 'one solution for one problem' thing
[16:38] <fake> daja77: and space is getting low, too
[16:39] <ripclaw> whats the diff between kooka and xsane ?
[16:39] <ripclaw> and which one is better ?
[16:39] <daja77> fake: well we broke that rule already ...
[16:39] <ripclaw> one kernel ?
[16:39] <ripclaw> o_O
[16:39] <daja77> kooka is included in kde, works quite well but the interface is a bit weird imho
[16:40] <ripclaw> which one would you prefer ?
[16:40] <ripclaw> is crystal KDE only ?
[16:40] <fake> well, removing kooka isn't an option
[16:40] <fake> ripclaw: definitely.
[16:40] <fake> ripclaw: gnome sucks
[16:41] <ripclaw> e17 or xfce user :)
[16:41] <fake> xfce is built quickly
[16:41] <fake> and it's nice, i agree.
[16:41] <fake> e17 though...
[16:41] <fake> useless toy.
[16:41] <ripclaw> so you have two, of which removing one isnt an option ?
[16:41] <ripclaw> i`ld say put xsane on CD2..
[16:41] <fake> there is no CD2.
[16:41] <ripclaw> or move to dvd images
[16:42] <ripclaw> if you need it...
[16:42] <fake> we don't.
[16:42] <fake> rocket emerge xsane
[16:42] <daja77> kooka is part of kdegraphics which is required just because of kpdf :)
[16:42] <fake> and it's there.
[16:42] Action: fake scarps the xsane idea
[16:42] <fake> *scraps
[16:42] <daja77> not that important, ack
[16:49] <ripclaw> i know e17 is toystuff, but its fun to use sometimes.
[16:49] <ripclaw> what else is double in crystal btw ? and why ?
[16:50] <daja77> mplayer and xine iirc
[16:51] <daja77> i really like that because always one or the other player works :)
[16:52] <ripclaw> in that case its on double functionality :)
[16:52] <fake> mysql and postgresql
[16:53] <daja77> another one which needs no discussion ;)
[16:53] <ripclaw> yep
[16:53] <fake> vi and ed ;)
[16:53] <daja77> and kate and kedit :)
[16:54] <ripclaw> ed is no editor, its a pestilence
[16:54] <daja77> at least we don't ship another os :)
[16:54] <ripclaw> vim nvi and virus would be a double
[16:54] <ripclaw> hey, we could ship L4/darwin
[16:54] <ripclaw> for sparc, that is :)
[16:55] <daja77> ok we have php and perl
[16:55] Action: daja77 hides
[16:57] <ripclaw> scrap both, we have c with the kernel
[16:58] <ripclaw> c and gas...
[16:58] <fake> c and c++
[16:59] <ripclaw> one language...
[16:59] <fake> AND cpp
[16:59] <ripclaw> and objc
[16:59] <fake> _and_ sh!
[16:59] <ripclaw> ok, remove bash, sh will suffice
[16:59] <fake> python...
[16:59] <ripclaw> is dangerous animal anyway
[17:00] <ripclaw> dont forget m4
[17:02] <daja77> root of all evil
[17:03] <ripclaw> thats nothing new, root is always evil....
[17:03] <ripclaw> *bofh*
[17:04] <stf^rocklinux_> premature optimization is the root of all evil ;)
[17:10] <ripclaw> posthumous corrections are the loot of all evil
[17:16] <ripclaw> woman=root(evil)
[17:23] <ripclaw> dot dot dot
[17:32] <ripclaw> . . . 
[17:37] <ripclaw> cu
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[17:38] <owl> re
[17:38] <owl> O_O
[19:49] <fake> okay, RC2 is uploaded, the gems extracted, the info files created....
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[21:00] <blindy_> *grunz*
[21:00] <blindy_> moin
[21:02] <owl> hi blindy_ 
[21:02] <blindy_> moin owl 
[21:02] Action: blindy_ wants to kill the mdadm guys
[21:04] <owl> the what?
[21:04] <blindy_> the people programming mdadm
[21:04] <blindy_> the _m_ulti _d_isk _adm_inistratro
[21:04] <blindy_> the RAID config program
[21:05] <owl> ah
[21:06] <blindy_> the mdadm help text is totally broken
[21:06] <blindy_> mdadm --manage device options...
[21:06] <blindy_> make changes to an existing array.
[21:06] <blindy_> mdadm device options...
[21:06] <blindy_> Shorthand for --manage.
[21:07] <blindy_> hah, shorthand my ass
[21:07] <blindy_> mdadm --manage /dev/md/1 -a /dev/hdb/3
[21:07] <blindy_> doesn't do anything
[21:07] <blindy_> BUT
[21:07] <blindy_> mdadm /dev/md/1 -a /dev/hdb/3
[21:07] <blindy_> works
[21:07] <blindy_> even though
[21:07] <blindy_> mdadm --manage --help
[21:07] <blindy_> explicitly mentions the -a switch
[21:08] <owl> fix it
[21:09] <blindy_> I'm a whiner, not a fixer
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[21:12] <owl> wonderful
[21:13] <blindy_> well, I've tried, to be honest
[21:14] <blindy_> but I really don't get the parameter parsing code of mdadm
[21:16] <owl> hm
[21:27] <fake> blindy_: can you please reply to the RC mail wrt. to version numbering before you leave?
[21:33] <blindy_> will do
[21:33] <blindy_> once ceres is up and running again
[21:34] <fake> cool.
[21:34] <blindy_> oh great...
[21:34] <blindy_> I must fsck.reiserfs --rebuild-tree
[21:34] <blindy_> on a 430 GB volume
[21:38] <owl> you can't complain about feeling bored, eh? :)
[21:41] <blindy_> I can
[21:41] <blindy_> because now I can just sit next to the machine and do nothing
[21:42] <fake> back in commodore times i always had something to read next to the monitor
[21:42] <fake> comics or a book
[21:42] <blindy_> already packed for the move
[21:43] <blindy_> oh cool, only 8000 seconds to go
[21:43] <owl> isn't there a progressbar or something? might that is a feature of windows, fsck should have, too? *hides*
[21:43] <blindy_> fake: anyway, I'm all for the "ROCK Linux 3" scheme
[21:44] <blindy_> owl: there is
[21:44] <blindy_> owl: it just started 10 seconds ago
[21:44] <owl> good
[21:44] <blindy_> after I did the command 10 minutes ago
[21:44] <blindy_> and now it's 8000 seconds to go
[21:44] <blindy_> 2.25 hours
[21:44] <blindy_> I'll be asleep by then
[21:45] <owl> *yaaawn* sleeping. 
[21:46] <owl> .oO(somehow 'bed' and 'sleep' are two words, sounding sooo fscking attractive in my ears... )
[21:46] <blindy_> hehe
[21:47] <blindy_> hmm, I think I know why it's so slow
[21:47] <blindy_> the raid5 resync is still in progress
[21:47] <blindy_> (of course, it also takes around 3-4 hours)
[21:47] <owl> not funny... worked about - let me count - 10 hours?? dunno
[21:47] <blindy_> heh
[21:47] <blindy_> I feel like I did the same
[21:48] <owl> and what did you do? :P
[21:48] <blindy_> but I know that I just made my daily kendo excercises
[21:48] <blindy_> and I feel that I can increase the amount a notch next week
[21:49] <owl> hrrrr,
[21:49] <owl> m
[21:55] <fake> blindy_: nice, then we have 3 pro an no contra.
[21:56] <blindy_> I don't think it'll confuse people since the last one was 2.0
[21:56] <blindy_> and also people are used to software cutting the minor number (Red Hat, SuSE, Solaris)
[21:58] <blindy_> hmm
[21:59] <blindy_> the 8000 second estimate seems a bit blown out of proportion
[21:59] <blindy_> it has almost done one third already
[21:59] <blindy_> oh
[22:00] <blindy_> that doesn't mean 'seconds left'
[22:00] <blindy_> it means 'this many sectors per second'
[22:00] <blindy_> 0%....20%...                        left (BIG number), 7806 /sec
[22:12] <netrunner> 0% .... 20% ...                       left: you, waiting
[22:12] <blindy_> heh, yeah
[22:13] <owl> .oO( that now sounds like boy-girl-issues ^^ )
[22:14] <blindy_> yeah, and it's usually the girls fault
[22:14] <blindy_> as in this case, too
[22:14] <owl> nah, the boys fault :)
[22:14] Action: netrunner feels he missed the point :)
[22:14] <blindy_> the machine's name is ceres, so it's the girls fault
[22:16] <owl> netrunner: you reached a point of communication... then - stagnation, sloooooooow progress... girl: waiting for - the call -> d'ouh
[22:16] <netrunner> what? the girls are waiting? uhm, this must be why they aren't calling :)
[22:17] <owl> netrunner: y is it girls fault? :)
[22:21] <netrunner> I always expected them to call .....
[22:22] <owl> oh. and i am waiting for the guys to call, sms, chat, msg, write mail, whatever me - shit
[22:24] <fake> netrunner: get the RC and test it!
[22:25] <fake> please... ;)
[22:28] <netrunner> fake: from topic`
[22:28] <netrunner> ?
[22:33] <fake> no!
[22:33] <fake> i forgot that! thanks!
[22:34] <fake> hm
[22:34] <fake> blindy_: i still can't op myself
[22:34] <blindy_> hmm
[22:34] Nick change: blindy_ -> blindcoder
[22:34] <netrunner> !op
[22:34] <netrunner> :)
[22:34] <fake> An access level of [10] is required for [OP] on #rocklinux
[22:35] <blindcoder> try again
[22:36] #rocklinux: mode change '+o fake' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[22:36] <fake> ha!
[22:36] <fake> muahahaha
[22:36] <blindcoder> :)
[22:36] <fake> thanks ;)
[22:36] <blindcoder> I messed up the hostmask
[22:36] <blindcoder> forgot the n=
[22:37] <netrunner> fake: now you have a debian swirl in front of your name ... :)
[22:37] Topic changed on #rocklinux by fake!n=fake@f4k3.net: http://iso.rocklinux.de/rock-ftp/official/test-releases/crystal-r7734-20060713.iso
[22:37] <fake> lesbian swirl ;)
[22:38] #rocklinux: mode change '-o fake' by fake!n=fake@f4k3.net
[22:38] <fake> okay
[22:38] <fake> enough lesbianims.
[22:38] <fake> *lesbianism.
[22:38] <fake> tounge twister...
[22:39] <esden> th and fake are now level 30 in chanserv for #rocklinux 
[22:40] <blindcoder> esden: I added fake as 25 because th was, too. Didn't know why you made it that way so I didn't want to change it
[22:40] <esden> because you can not give them 30
[22:40] <esden> you need to have higher level then 30 to be able to set 30
[22:40] <blindcoder> ah, that'd explain :)
[22:40] Action: fake still very amused by all this irc crap
[22:40] <blindcoder> I didn't try, either
[22:41] <esden> ok ... cu guys
[22:42] <blindcoder> why amused?
[22:43] <fake> because i don't get it, so whenever i need to get something done, i just don't see why it needs to be so complicated
[22:43] <fake> on the other hand, i gave up on designing chats ;)
[22:43] <blindcoder> ah yes, the "Why is NickServ and ChanServ important" thing
[22:43] <blindcoder> hehe, didn't we all?
[22:44] <blindcoder> hmm
[22:44] <blindcoder> as progress approaches 100%, speed approaches 0
[22:44] <fake> it's indirectly proportional
[22:45] <blindcoder> anyway, I got myself a little irssi script
[22:45] <blindcoder> /opme
[22:45] <blindcoder> that command will try to give myself OP using chanserv in the channel of the current window
[22:45] <fake> what does the +nt on the channel mean?
[22:45] <fake> and what does the +ei on myself mean?
[22:45] <blindcoder> +n means that only people inside the channel can send messages to the channel
[22:45] <blindcoder> +t means that not anyone can change the topic
[22:46] <blindcoder> +i means identified
[22:46] <fake> and +e ?
[22:46] <fake> it confirms i really exist?
[22:46] <blindcoder> ah, no +i is invisible
[22:46] <blindcoder> +e is identified
[22:46] <fake> i'm invisible? sorry!
[22:46] <fake> ?
[22:46] <blindcoder> see http://freenode.net/using_the_network.shtml
[22:47] <blindcoder> +i (invisible)   This prevents you from appearing in global WHO/WHOIS by normal users, and hides which channels you are on. It is strongly recommended that you set this umode.
[22:50] <fake> irc seems like a chat where no design decisions were made.
[22:50] <fake> they are all left as options to the user.
[22:51] <fake> or the server. or the channel. 
[22:54] <blindcoder> I guess the same can be said for a lot of protocols that are as old as IRC
[22:56] <blindcoder> I mean, just look at TCP :)
[22:58] <blindcoder> I know the socket on freenode you're connected to and I know half of the socket on your side
[22:58] <blindcoder> now I just bomb you with a few thousand RST packets and your connection to freenode will be killed
[22:59] <blindcoder> let's say we're on a less secure IRC network that doesn't provide chanserv
[22:59] <fake> okay, okay
[22:59] <blindcoder> if I can kill all the ops from a channel, I can take over the channel
[22:59] <fake> yes, but the tcp comparions is lacking
[23:00] <fake> tcp is not ment to be exported to the end user.
[23:00] <fake> http, ftp, etc are
[23:00] <blindcoder> every comparison is lacking
[23:00] <blindcoder> http for example is stateless
[23:00] <blindcoder> where IRC is not
[23:00] <fake> however, i'm much too tired now
[23:00] <blindcoder> hehe
[23:00] <blindcoder> same here
[23:00] <blindcoder> I'm just waiting for ceres to finish
[23:00] <fake> i'm awake since 8 and have slept 2 hrs the night before
[23:01] <blindcoder> and I haven't had my baileys yet >_<
[23:01] <fake> i'm already drinking wine
[23:01] <fake> and it makes me even more tired
[23:02] <fake> *YAAAAAAAAWN*
[23:02] <blindcoder> oooh
[23:02] <blindcoder> now reiserfsck is writing the leafs(?) onto the disk
[23:02] <fake> n8, have fun drinking ;)
[23:02] <blindcoder> 70000 to go
[23:02] <blindcoder> 14 per second
[23:22] <blindcoder> okay, bedtime
[23:22] <blindcoder> bye
[23:22] Nick change: blindcoder -> blindy
[23:22] <owl> gn8 blindy 
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