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[01:58] <owl> re
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[02:54] <owl> .oO( wow, that was much communication for today guys. wanna reach the record in how-not-much-can-be-spoken-a-channel-record? O_O )
[02:57] <mnemoc> *g*
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[02:58] <owl> mnemoc: what do you wanna tell us? :)
[02:59] <mnemoc> i hate techno
[02:59] <owl> aaaaehm. techno? O_O aeh. speaking/communication->techno. i can't follow your thougts O_O 
[03:00] <mnemoc> loveparade
[03:00] <owl> ok. techno. loveparade. two words. wtf ...???
[03:00] <mnemoc> :)
[03:01] <owl> btw, did i mentioned already, that i received a RL-hug today?
[03:02] <mnemoc> uhm?
[03:02] <owl> i have a visitor in my room... right now... :)
[03:02] <mnemoc> .oO
[03:02] <owl> yes? ;)
[03:03] Action: mnemoc waits for the details
[03:03] <owl> hrhr. a good friend of mine... 
[03:03] <owl> well... 2nd RL-meeting... i drove about 160 km to catch him... ;) 
[03:04] <mnemoc> .oO
[03:04] <mnemoc> daja?
[03:04] <owl> naaah!
[03:04] <mnemoc> :p
[03:05] <mnemoc> speak clear
[03:05] <mnemoc> i'm quite sleepy
[03:05] <owl> you don't know him ;)
[03:05] <mnemoc> :)
[03:06] <owl> well... dunno... ;)
[03:08] <owl> .oO( at least he's a) geek, b) i trust him enough to hand him my thinkpad over O_O )
[03:10] <mnemoc> and i don't know him
[03:10] <owl> yeah ;)
[03:42] <owl> in what way are women strange?
[03:42] <mnemoc> you are too deep for me tonight :( i fear i'll have to go to sleep
[03:44] <mnemoc> gn8, greetings to your unknown former-rocker
[03:45] <owl> *lol* former-rocker? :P
[03:45] <owl> nah, he's bsd-guy... 
[03:45] <owl> gn8 mnemoc 
[03:45] <mnemoc> :)
[03:45] <mnemoc> gn8 owl, and gn8 bsd-guy
[03:45] <owl> *g*
[03:49] <owl> gn8 mnemoc 
[03:49] <owl> .oO( wtf am i repeating myself? )
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[06:05] <RainbowTSC> mm all, looking for some help with su. I got Module is unknown error
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[12:32] <owl> moin
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[17:33] <blindcoder> moin
[17:41] <blindcoder> wow, even fefe has now realized what a bunch of crap the modularisation in x.org 7 is
[17:45] <stf^rocklinux> moin blindcoder
[17:45] <stf^rocklinux> why?
[17:47] <fake> moin
[17:48] <fake> stf^rocklinux: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=ba46957d
[17:50] <stf^rocklinux> hm, he's wrong in at least one point, package dependencies are documented quite well in a shell script...
[17:50] <stf^rocklinux> that's were I got them from.
[17:54] <fake> stf^rocklinux: can yo confirm that in the RC, in konqueror in the top right search box, the icons for the search engines are missing?
[17:54] <fake> stf^rocklinux: oh, and i found out what modalias_ieee1394 is used for, udev complains on my laptop
[17:54] <fake> stf^rocklinux: so i'm going to move the patch to the fixes queue
[17:55] <stf^rocklinux> fake: nack, in the google search box, next to the address bar, there's a google symbol as well.
[17:55] <stf^rocklinux> fake: that's the only search engine available here.
[17:56] <blindcoder> no release this week after all?
[17:57] <fake> blindcoder: not yet. but RC3 should be it, i'll start building now. there were some mine/:legacy packages/... issues.
[17:58] <fake> stf^rocklinux: okay, nevermind.
[17:58] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if you click on the google icon, some more should pop up...
[17:58] <fake> stf^rocklinux: wikipedia, freshmeat, et alas
[18:00] <fake> stf^rocklinux: if you like, you could take a look at the changes i did to mine
[18:00] <blindcoder> fake: nice
[18:00] <stf^rocklinux> yeah, there are more... never noticed until now :)
[18:01] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i boosted the functionality of memdb.c, so it can now remove items by key, and also sort the list with arbitrary sorting functions
[18:01] <stf^rocklinux> fake: already did ;) installed crystal-vanilla-7663 and updated with my latest RC2 like test build, looks very good so far :)
[18:01] <fake> stf^rocklinux: that way, the order of lines in the packages flist file is not relevant anymore. so removing :legacy packages has a higher chance of also removing directories, because they were written the other way round
[18:02] <fake> valgrind says i loos ~600 bytes per installation, but i suspect libtar...
[18:02] <fake> *loose
[18:03] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i tested mine25linux261625test_cd1.iso last night ;)
[18:03] <fake> one ugly thing  still remains wrt. package removal - ldconfig creates symlinks to .so files...
[18:04] <fake> which don't belong to the package
[18:04] <fake> the links, the .so files do, of course
[18:04] <stf^rocklinux> we could create those symlinks at build time
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[18:05] <fake> yes, we really should. but we don't atm ;)
[18:16] <fake> arghl
[18:16] <stf^rocklinux> ?
[18:18] <fake> stf^rocklinux: i suspect your deferred package disabling patch
[18:18] <fake> stf^rocklinux: configure a bootdisk, and start ./scripts/Download -cfg bootdisk -required
[18:18] <fake> (remove, for example, the lprng download before)
[18:19] <fake> there is no reason why it should download lprng
[18:21] <fake> stf^rocklinux: with your patch 2006071321320713626 applied, there are 255 packages enabled in the bootdisk
[18:21] <stf^rocklinux> hm
[18:21] <fake> stf^rocklinux: without, 113
[18:21] <fake> it doesn't affect crystal because of the CORE flag
[18:24] <blindcoder> fake: btw, rocklinux.org needs a new certificate
[18:25] <fake> blindcoder: wait, it was 10 years valid... ?
[18:26] <fake> ;-)
[18:26] <fake> blindcoder: i'll get to that later, now i'm gonna visit the golden arches
[18:26] <fake> RC3 build is running
[18:26] <blindcoder> ah, no
[18:27] <blindcoder> that's because the cert is for .net, but the mediawiki mails point to .org
[18:27] <fake> blindcoder: yes, thats because we only have one server for both :(
[18:28] Action: fake mcd, bbl
[18:39] <stf^rocklinux> fake: with my patch, there are more packages enabled in bootdisk target because of this line in target/bootdisk/config.in:
[18:39] <stf^rocklinux> # Disable packages which are not in base or not build in stages 0-4
[18:39] <stf^rocklinux> / base / !  { s/^X /O /; p; d; };		/^. -----/ { s/^X /O /; p; d; };
[18:46] <stf^rocklinux> I could move pkgforking in linux from config.in to preconfig.in, or adapt target/bootdisk/config.in to take ? and X stage flags into account.
[18:46] <stf^rocklinux> anyway, I'm going jogging now, bbl
[18:51] <owl> re
[18:52] <blindcoder> moin owl
[18:52] <owl> hi blindcoder ;)
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[22:09] <mnemoc> hi, anyone knows how the init of a cramfs initrd has to be named to be executed instead of skiped and panic-ing because root= is not there? :(
[22:17] <blindcoder> /sbin/init
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[22:18] <blindcoder> but if the kernel complains about missing root= device, then you have another problem
[22:18] <blindcoder> you need a) cramfs support in the kernel (guess you have that)
[22:18] <blindcoder> b) root=/dev/ram0
[22:18] <blindcoder> c) in your bootloader, you need to load the initrd (grub: initrd command)
[22:19] <th> or you need to switch to initramfs ;-)
[22:19] <th> because this changes there
[22:19] <th> root= is irrelevant and free for use of your 2nd stage
[22:20] <th> aehm. free for use in your first stage to determine root of 2nd stage
[22:23] <blindcoder> so how does the kernel get to know to use initramfs?
[22:23] <blindcoder> sorry, I've probably asked that question a few dozen times already
[22:23] <blindcoder> forget it
[22:23] <blindcoder> I just remembered
[22:24] <th> blindcoder: it knows because it sees the cpio
[22:24] <th> is that what you remembered?
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[22:26] <esden> oha ... call for papers from CCC ... so early?
[22:26] <mnemoc>  root=/dev/ram0?? o_O
[22:26] <mnemoc> f* :(
[22:26] <mnemoc> i'll have to read more about initramfs probably
[22:28] <mnemoc> it's stupid that the initrd has to be pointed by root= :'(
[22:32] <owl> re
[22:36] <mnemoc> wb owl 
[22:40] <owl> thx
[22:40] <owl> i am half-dead
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[22:50] <mnemoc> o.o
[22:51] <owl> mnemoc: ? :)
[22:51] <owl> heh, i've never talked that much like the last 24 hours or so
[22:53] <mnemoc> :)
[23:02] <owl> hmmm?
[23:03] <mnemoc> women
[23:03] <mnemoc> th: is the initramfs restricted to the ramdisk size supported by the kernel?
[23:04] <owl> women?...?
[23:08] <th> mnemoc: no
[23:09] <mnemoc> th: cool :)
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[23:28] <fake> re
[23:28] <fake> the junghanns.net quad GSM PCI card rocks.
[23:29] <fake> from Voicemail-fallback to GSM-then-voicemail-fallback including hardware setup and dialplan adoptions in < 3h
[23:30] <owl> wb fake 
[23:44] <SMP> you can do hours and hours of calls into celluar networks through expensive PSTN gateways for the price of that card ...
[23:45] <fake> SMP: true, but then again, my employer didn't care ;-)
[23:46] <SMP> sheesh ;)
[23:46] <fake> plus, calls to company-contracted phones are free
[23:47] <fake> still trying to get the smses free, too ;-)
[23:54] <netrunner> hm, the thought of not being able to watch tv when going to bed keeps me at the keyboard ;)
[23:57] <fake> is the epia broken? ;)
[23:58] <fake> what are you watching, anyways? anything interesting?
[23:58] <fake> Face/Off?
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