[00:02] <fake> hi there elon
[00:26] <fake> http://www.hpcdual.at/index.php?curPage=dz_
[00:26] <fake> http://www.hpcdual.at/index.php?curPage=dz_technik
[00:26] <fake> sorry
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[02:10] <fake> i, err, fixed our gnome. it was... sticking.
[02:15] Action: fake off for some symbian work now
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[07:39] <blindcod1r> moin
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[09:39] <owl> moin
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[10:22] <blindcoder> fake: ping
[10:23] <blindcoder> fake: do you thinkit's necessary to limit the entries to 'ROCKLinux' stuff?
[10:29] <esden> moin
[10:30] <blindcoder> moin moin
[10:31] <esden> *yawn* ...
[10:31] <esden> damn I am so tired
[10:32] <blindcoder> heh, tell me about
[10:33] <owl> hi esden 
[10:33] <owl> *handing over an empty cup* <- please fill cappuccino in ;P
[10:34] <esden> owl: I hoped that you give me a filled cup ... 
[10:34] <owl> sorry, no, i am too lazy to move. and too tired. and just run out of cappuccin *yawn*
[10:36] <esden> :(
[10:38] <owl> exactly
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[11:07] <owl> *yawn* still no cappu here 
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[12:09] <esden> owl: I have coke ;)
[12:09] <owl> esden: heh, also ok. thx a lot *drinking the whole bottle of coke*
[12:29] <esden> erm .... urgh ... *sigh*
[12:29] <esden> *headshake*
[12:30] <owl> esden: ?
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[15:26] <blindcoder> http://light.bluelinux.co.uk/~rpb28/truesuperman.jpg
[15:27] <blindcoder> interesting what you can do by removing speech bubbles :-)
[15:33] <esden> that is a pretty nice article ... if you ever considered or still are considering yourself as a nerd ;) http://www.paulgraham.com/nerds.html
[15:38] <blindcoder> I've been called one recently
[15:42] <blindcoder> Navy SEALs and neurosurgery residents seem slackers by comparison.
[15:42] <blindcoder> MUAHAHAHA
[16:01] <esden> hehe ... yes ;)
[16:03] <blindcoder> interesting essay, to say the least
[16:07] <esden> I think I have to blog that one
[16:08] <esden> in general ... all essays by Paul Graham are interesting at least ... 
[16:08] <esden> I consider all of them very inspiring
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[16:16] <blindcoder> esden: 16:03 < Violist> blindcoder: tell esden that's a good article
[16:18] <esden> *GG*
[16:52] <blindcoder> I'm almost ready for a LVP release :D
[17:56] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux_: meep
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[18:25] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: meep
[18:26] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: mop
[18:26] <stf^rocklinux> hi blindcoder :)
[18:27] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: any comments on the www.rl.net issuo?
[18:29] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: not really... I consider myself a blog agnostic.
[18:30] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: but write access for devs is a Good Thing imo :)
[18:31] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: that's exactly what esden and I had in mind with the second suggestion (slashcode)
[18:34] <stf^rocklinux> blindcoder: then I'm all for it :D
[18:36] <stf^rocklinux> bbl, watching simpsons
[18:36] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: great, please say so on the mailinglist :-)
[19:12] <owl> re
[19:13] <blindcoder> re owl
[19:13] <owl> thx
[19:13] <owl> that's so fscking hot outside!
[19:14] <blindcoder> oh, it's just 30 Celsius here
[19:14] <owl> hrrrrmpf!
[19:14] <owl> it even has arround 26 C in my office
[20:00] <stf^rocklinux> re
[20:00] <blindcoder> wb
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[21:22] <fake> hm
[21:22] <fake> th: ping
[21:25] <blindcoder> moin fake 
[21:30] <blindcoder> fake: I think that having a separate "professional" versus a "private" part of the website would make for higher quality instead of grepping the 'ROCKLinux' tag from the blogs as 'official' information
[21:33] <fake> hm
[21:34] <fake> it ought to be unofficial, just not off-topic, right?
[21:34] <fake> the page ist called 'rock linux planet'
[21:34] <fake> so why not stick to the topic ?
[21:35] <fake> the links to the developer's personal stuff is below each and every articel/summary!
[21:39] <blindcoder> I'm orientating me on other planets here
[21:39] <blindcoder> which also take the whole feed as it is
[21:41] <blindcoder> I'm not saying to let just anyone on the planet
[21:41] <blindcoder> but only people who have 'also' rock related content
[21:41] <blindcoder> but not putting 'only' rock related content there only
[21:41] <blindcoder> that what I'd like to use something like slashcode for then
[21:46] <fake> i don't really see the difference?
[21:47] <fake> we could do both
[21:47] <fake> roller on blog.f4k3.net supports shared blogs
[21:48] Action: fake going to build a crystal with all patches from the more or less important bugfixes queue now
[21:48] <fake> th takes too long.
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[22:04] <blindcoder> well, you're one of the 2.5 people in charge, so you have to decide on the final version used
[22:04] <fake> blindcoder: what speaks against using both?
[22:04] <fake> blindcoder: the ROCKLinux or alike Tags of developers personal tags, and a special dedicated shared blog completely?
[22:05] <fake> that way, it should be nicely filled, however one likes to use it.
[22:06] <blindcoder> fake: that's what I'm talking about all the time :-)
[22:06] <blindcoder> the shared on www.
[22:06] <blindcoder> the rest on planet.
[22:06] <blindcoder> or do you mean the shared + ROCKLinux tags on www.?
[22:07] <fake> what's www. and what's planet. ?
[22:07] <fake> why different pages?
[22:07] <fake> mash it all up to one
[22:08] <fake> no confusion, please ;-)
[22:08] <blindcoder> www.rl.net and planet.rl.net
[22:09] <blindcoder> much like symlink.ch does it
[22:09] <blindcoder> www.symlink.ch as the normal page, planet.symlink.ch as the blog-aggregator
[22:12] <fake> id's say all on www.rl.net
[22:13] <fake> what would be the difference for us between planet. and www. ?
[22:13] <fake> only the entries visible? that would be a bad thing.
[22:13] <fake> very confusing
[22:14] <fake> much like www.google.com and vvv.google.com, where the latter stands for 'verbose' and gives more results
[22:14] <blindcoder> well, I'd like to have all entries visible, but you have to decide
[22:14] <netrunner> Unable to determine IP address from host name for vvv.google.com
[22:14] <fake> i don't see why my personal blog entries are of *any* interest to someone seeking for information about rock linux?
[22:14] Action: netrunner wondering :)
[22:14] <fake> netrunner: it was an example 
[22:14] <netrunner> ah
[22:14] <fake> netrunner: dorkhead ;P
[22:15] <netrunner> fake: I thought you were distributing l33t h@x0ring knowledge
[22:15] <fake> blindcoder: the link to all your entries is just below *every* entry, and on the left side!
[22:15] <fake> netrunner: not today.
[22:15] <fake> netrunner: ;)
[22:15] <blindcoder> fake: no, below is a link to _the_ entry on your blog
[22:16] <fake> blindcoder: which is on your blog page. if i think your blog is interesting, i will stay on your page
[22:16] <fake> blindcoder: but i'd really like to have www._rocklinux_.net somewhate _rocklinux_ specific!
[22:16] <blindcoder> fake: someone seeking information about rock would go to www.rl.net, someone seeking opinions of the devs will go to planet.rl.net
[22:17] <blindcoder> fake: yes, of course
[22:17] <blindcoder> fake: _www_.rl.net
[22:17] <fake> blindcoder: someone seeking opinions of the devs will search their private blogs.
[22:17] <blindcoder> fake: but I don't think _planet_.rl.net is all that important
[22:17] <fake> then forget about it!
[22:18] <blindcoder> whoah now, chill
[22:18] Action: blindcoder rests his case and leaves
[22:18] <fake> we should be happy if there is ONE page that's up-to-date, navigatable, and full of *current* information
[22:18] <fake> i didn't mean forget about the whole thing ;)
[22:18] <blindcoder> fake: I've volunteered many times to take care of that
[22:19] <blindcoder> having up-to-date information
[22:19] <blindcoder> most of which never existed lacking any kind of feedback from anyone up to and including clifford
[22:19] <fake> i see a problem of communicating the 'homepage' diversing between www.rl.net and planet.rl.net. and then i see another problem with the image it creates.
[22:19] <fake> honestely.
[22:20] <blindcoder> planets aren't a new thing :-)
[22:20] <fake> if debian developers would get their opinion promoted on the debian page, i'd not use debian
[22:20] <blindcoder> but if you don't want it, fine, then just the www. thing with only the ROCKLinux tagged stuff
[22:20] <blindcoder> err, they do
[22:20] <blindcoder> http://planet.debian.net/
[22:21] <fake> blindcoder: it's all linux/debian specific on there ;P
[22:21] <blindcoder> "PERHAPS BONGHITS WILL FIX MY UNDERSTANDING OF STOCHASTIC CONTEXT FREE GRAMMARS"
[22:21] <fake> or at least mostly.
[22:21] <blindcoder> yeah... of course...
[22:22] <fake> of course, you will always find a needle in a haystack the size of a planet.
[22:22] <fake> i think i made my point clear.
[22:23] <fake> i'm a narcisitc asshole seeking for power and want to get my will through no matter what.
[22:23] <fake> mwahaha.
[22:23] <blindcoder> tell news
[22:24] <blindcoder> tell you what
[22:24] <blindcoder> we start with the rocklinux tags and shared blog thing on www.rl.net
[22:24] <blindcoder> and later see if we do a planet.rl.net thing
[22:25] <blindcoder> can you set something like that up?
[22:25] <fake> okey dokey!
[22:25] <blindcoder> so you get what you want now and I maybe later :-)
[22:25] <fake> from my side. we could wait for th's opinion.
[22:25] <blindcoder> fake: if it's possible, try getting the ROCKLinux tag items from my current blog software. I like multiple logins as much as you :-)
[22:26] <fake> blindcoder: this is not about what i want, but what i thin is best and your arguments didn't drag me away from ;)
[22:26] <blindcoder> 21:42 < fake> th takes too long.
[22:26] <blindcoder> :-)
[22:26] <th> hmm
[22:26] <fake> *evil laughter*
[22:26] <th> *blink*
[22:26] <fake> th: hi!
[22:27] <th> yea hi
[22:27] <blindcoder> fake: well, I disagree on the "what's best", but I'm not in the position to make decisions
[22:27] <blindcoder> fake: as long as you let me tag LVP stuff as ROCKLinux, too, I'm happy :-)
[22:27] <blindcoder> moin th
[22:29] Action: fake knew that being able to make the decision equals being the bad guy
[22:29] <blindcoder> it always does
[22:29] <blindcoder> noone remembers when the weatherforecast is right, but everyone remembers when they're wrong
[22:30] <fake> keep that in mind when i disagree with you, please ;)
[22:31] Action: blindcoder can't remember fake having been right
[22:31] <fake> hoho, big words
[22:31] <th> "no hard-disc found"
[22:31] <blindcoder> aah, anyway, I get to get a www.rl.net that's actually usable
[22:31] Action: owl smells love in the air
[22:32] <blindcoder> mission accomplished :)
[22:32] <blindcoder> "Love is in the air"
[22:32] <fake> th: modprobe mptspi. it's a special case.
[22:32] <blindcoder> "Everywhere I look around"
[22:32] <blindcoder> "Love is in the air"
[22:32] <blindcoder> "In every whisper and every sound"
[22:32] <th> i still need to modprobe my nv-sata module and stuff by hand?
[22:32] <th> fake: that's not this special case today
[22:32] <th> fake: it's the other special case
[22:33] <fake> th: in the installer?
[22:33] <th> yes
[22:33] <fake> th: then the module must be missing in the initrd...
[22:34] <fake> th: is nv_sata in a subdirectory in .../scsi/ ?
[22:34] <fake> sata_nv
[22:34] <fake> no, it isn't
[22:34] <fake> hmm
[22:35] <th> oh cool even my keyboard does not work cause some usb modules are missing
[22:35] <fake> o_O
[22:35] <fake> wtf?
[22:35] <th> now i need to find a ps2 keyboard
[22:35] <fake> missing usb modules?
[22:35] <fake> i don't believe that
[22:35] <fake> in the bootdisk, can you do a udevtrigger / udevsettle and see if it fixes that?
[22:36] <th> yea after i find the keyboard ;)
[22:38] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off for the day
[22:38] <blindcoder> bye
[22:38] <owl> gn8 blindcoder 
[22:38] <th> udevtrigger helps
[22:38] <th> now i have hdd and usb-keyboard
[22:38] <th> and even nvidiafb
[22:39] <fake> n8 blindcoder 
[22:39] <fake> th: what i guessed.
[22:39] <fake> th: we should do that somehwere in stage 2
[22:39] <fake> th: i filed that under 'installer re-write'
[22:40] Action: fake stromberg of #rl
[22:41] <owl> bwahahahaha, i know, that you have a "grosse klappe", but that large...? :)
[22:43] <fake> i do?
[22:43] <owl> grosse klappe? - imho: yes :P
[22:59] <fake> and what gives you that impression?
[22:59] <owl> you :)
[23:01] <fake> ;P
[23:02] <fake> owl: for this critic to be constructive, you need to give me something more... fixable ;)
[23:02] <owl> fake: "grosse klappe" != critic :P cynism is sexy *smile*
[23:03] Action: fake confused
[23:03] <owl> bwahahahaha. why? ;)
[23:03] <fake> i don't get it, but that's not a new feeling.
[23:04] <owl> heh, nobody understands my thoughts - also not new ^^
[23:05] <owl> anyway, how are you?
[23:06] <fake> hm
[23:06] <fake> somwhere on the line between 'good' and 'i can't say'
[23:06] <owl> ^^ that sounds kinda strange. what causes this 'not really sure'-state?
[23:06] <fake> owl: symbian 9.1 ;)
[23:07] <owl> symbian...? wasn't that an OS for mobile? 
[23:08] <owl> +s 
[23:12] <fake> jup.
[23:12] <fake> www.symbian.com
[23:13] <owl> hrrrrm. and that makes you 'unknown'? O_O
[23:13] <owl> .oO( ok. you're running under symbian OS platform and found bugs by yourself using the internal debugger? - *headshake* )
[23:16] <fake> internal debugger?
[23:16] Action: fake rofling to death
[23:16] <fake> it's depressing.
[23:17] <fake> there are all these sexy new features in the new release, but nobody actually documents them
[23:17] <owl> yeah, self-debugging symbian OS you must be running at... to allow symbian makeing you feel unknown? 
[23:17] <fake> so you're off to browsing and searching forums for solutions
[23:17] <fake> web forums
[23:17] <fake> did i mention i hate web forums?
[23:17] <owl> no, but i guess you're more the usenet-guy, aren't you? 
[23:18] <fake> i'm more the 'well-commented header files' guy
[23:19] <owl> or that. .oO( too-lazy-to-search-guy? ;)
[23:21] <fake> did i mention the error codes from symbian are negative values like '-3' and the forum's search function can't search for -number tokens?
[23:23] <fake> yeah, well, sucks to be me.
[23:23] <owl> bah! sounds 'nice' 
[23:28] <fake> indeed. but i can handle it. the success serotonine flush makes up for most of it ;)
[23:28] <owl> *lol* oh yes... ;)
[23:33] <fake> how about you? still at that crappy firm in munich?
[23:33] <owl> nah, luckily not - heh, i feel much better now... i'm kinda self-employed and unemployed (yeah, that works together), and doing my own stuff more than ever... ;)
[23:39] <fake> how does that work?
[23:39] <fake> i want that, too ;)
[23:39] <fake> (you now this channel is logged, right?)
[23:39] <fake> ;)
[23:40] <owl> yeah, i know, but it's official. ;)
[23:40] <owl> -> no problem ;)
[23:40] <owl> well, you get ALG, and you have 'gewerbeschein' for less than 15 hours/week... 
[23:44] <fake> hey, that's really interesting
[23:45] <fake> but you need to be fired to get ALG, right?
[23:45] <owl> yep
[23:46] <owl> otherwise you are normally not paid for about 3 month or so
[23:53] <fake> and after that?
[23:53] <owl> you are getting normally the money
[23:54] <owl> the 3 month or whatever, are when you've lost your job by your own fault or if you quit the contract by yourself. and that's the "sperrzeit"
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