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[00:01] <owl> soooo. i am off for today, enjoying impressive talks of fleas and co... gn8. bye ;) [00:04] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [00:05] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [00:43] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) left irc: "reboot" [00:54] _Ragnar_ (i=loki@216.250.77.230) joined #rocklinux. [01:32] blindcod1r (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) joined #rocklinux. [01:47] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Remote closed the connection [02:17] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1234P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [02:19] stf^rocklinux (n=user@M1099P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [03:47] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [03:47] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. 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[08:14] <blindcoder> Subject: [RTLWS8-CFP] Eighth Real-Time Linux Workshop 2nd CFP [08:15] <blindcoder> I really have to wonder why I get these mails [09:12] <owl> moin [09:14] <fake> moin owl [09:15] <owl> hi fake ;) [09:16] <fake> 9 hours of sleep? luxury ;) [09:17] <owl> nah, shower too. but: got up at 0830 or something... (after half an hour of boot-time *smile* ) [09:22] <owl> .oO( so about - 7 hours? dunno ) [10:35] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1234P021.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [10:36] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1497P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [10:48] <esden> huhu ... [10:48] <esden> moin [10:50] <netrunner> Ÿmoinmoin [10:51] <owl> hi esden , netrunner [11:20] <stf^rocklinux_> moin all [11:45] Action: fake falling asleep [11:45] <owl> hum? timeshift again? [11:45] <owl> hi stf^rocklinux_ [12:04] <fake> ok [12:04] <fake> -final build is running [12:05] <fake> i'm off to bed. [12:05] <fake> n8! [12:11] <owl> gn8 fake ^^ [12:48] <mnemoc> what will be the version of -final? ROCK v3? [12:48] <blindcoder> ROCK 3 [12:49] <mnemoc> ROCK III :p [12:58] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-047-225.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:01] <mnemoc> somehow it reminds me the upcomming rocky VI [13:05] <blindcoder> maybe we should name it ROCK 6 to get some free advertising [13:06] Action: netrunner is for rock 30, then we can use ROCK XXX [13:06] <th> ROCK 2006 [13:06] <owl> O_O [13:06] <th> ROCK 2006.03 [13:06] <owl> sounds like 'rock am ring 2006' [13:07] <owl> i am not sure if there comes out music... [13:08] daja77_ (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-046-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [13:45] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [13:46] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [13:51] <netrunner> aha, once I move from ECP to EPP my server does not crash :) [13:58] <owl> someone has the R.E.M.-leave chords lying arround...? [14:09] <blindcoder> re [14:09] <owl> wb blindcoder [14:16] <blindcoder> tnx [14:16] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:21] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) joined #rocklinux. [14:24] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:24] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [15:31] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [15:31] <drafz> hello [15:32] <drafz> i would like to know if there is some precompiled package for rocklinux [15:32] <drafz> i think i will need GCC3.3 because the file libstdc++.so.5 is missing [15:34] <drafz> i have a driver wich need gcc 3.3 , i tried to symlink libstdc++.so.6.0.7 to the needed file , but driver report me a GLIBCPP3_2 error [15:34] <drafz> :) [15:38] <blindcoder> symlinking usually doesn't work [15:38] <blindcoder> have you tried compiling gcc3.3? [15:38] <blindcoder> basically there are precompiled binaries on iso.rocklinux.de, but that site's down atm [15:39] <blindcoder> how about using a newer driver? [15:41] <drafz> :/ [15:41] <drafz> dont beat i was trying to get ATI fglrx working :D [15:41] <drafz> so [15:42] <drafz> i have the last official drivers i think ... hmm ..8.26.18 [15:42] <drafz> xorg 6.8 compliant , at least ... [15:42] <drafz> i have 6.9 , but the main pb is the gcc version i think [15:42] <drafz> nice distro bewteen [15:42] <drafz> :) [15:44] <drafz> i got hard pb for get it working , i had a kernel so i needed to start linux with pci=nommconf flag [15:44] <drafz> ha ! and another stuff [15:44] <blindcoder> compiling gcc 3.3 into the running system should work, though [15:44] <drafz> i can't use "su" with my user [15:44] <drafz> :D [15:45] <drafz> i will grab the source so ? but i'm a beginner [15:45] <drafz> i dont know why i think pam refuse to let my user use su [15:45] <blindcoder> because he's not in the 'wheel' group [15:45] <drafz> Jul 25 17:20:19 localhost su[11030]: pam_authenticate: Autorisation refusée [15:45] <drafz> okay :) [15:46] <drafz> i saw the wheel stuff in a man page :) [15:46] <drafz> or a file , because i was looking everywhere since 3 hours [15:46] <drafz> thanks [15:46] <drafz> i replace %wheel by %users [15:46] <drafz> i replaced* [15:47] <drafz> i though wheel was just a common example , but after that, i saw "wheel" group in my /etc/group file ,so i presume i need to re replace it again [15:47] <blindcoder> check /etc/pam.d/su [15:49] <drafz> thx [15:51] <drafz> i found , it was /etc/sudoers [15:51] <drafz> i will be back [15:51] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [16:05] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [16:07] <drafz> im here [16:07] <drafz> so [16:07] <stf^rocklinux_> hi drafz [16:07] <drafz> what do i need for GCC3.3 ? [16:07] <drafz> (my su doesnt work) [16:07] <drafz> im a part of wheel but i cant su [16:07] <drafz> so i sue <_< [16:08] <stf^rocklinux_> you can do: rocket emerge gcc33 [16:08] <drafz> rocket ? [16:08] <drafz> is it the main rocket software ? [16:08] <drafz> rock linux i mena [16:08] <stf^rocklinux_> yes, that's a network installer (but also does local installs) [16:09] <drafz> is there any concurence problem between 4.03 and 3.3 ? [16:09] <stf^rocklinux_> it's more like a simple convenience script [16:09] <drafz> and where do i must install it ? wich path ? [16:09] <stf^rocklinux_> concurrence? You can have both installed at the same time, if that's what you mean. [16:09] <drafz> wich prefixe ? :) [16:10] <stf^rocklinux_> don't worry about that, it's always installed in /usr. [16:10] <drafz> okay , so, that's rock [16:10] <drafz> any optimization ? [16:10] <drafz> avaible ? [16:10] <drafz> i have a K8 [16:11] <stf^rocklinux_> rocket uses the same optimizations and other settings used for building the distro you have installed, e.g. if your distro was compiled for Pentium-MMX, then rocket uses that optimization. [16:12] <drafz> yup it is i think [16:12] <stf^rocklinux_> specifically, rocket uses the config stored in /etc/ROCK-CONFIG [16:12] <drafz> why not use more advanced compile flag ?? [16:12] <drafz> pentium mmx is old isnt it ? [16:13] <stf^rocklinux_> yes, it's old, but it also works on old machines ;) [16:13] <drafz> i think i need to re specify a new location for package [16:13] Action: mnemoc is using one as desktop currently [16:13] <drafz> :) [16:13] <drafz> when i do a "rocket update" nothing happens [16:13] <stf^rocklinux_> and if you have a fast machine you can recompile the whole distro with higher optimizations within less than 24 hours. [16:13] <drafz> lol [16:13] <drafz> haha [16:13] <drafz> hu [16:13] <drafz> less than 24 hour :p [16:13] <drafz> i dont have all this time [16:14] <drafz> i wouldnt compile too many package [16:14] <drafz> i choose rocket linux for get a quite brute distro , but i think i will not lose hours and hours with compilation [16:15] <drafz> anyway mplayer and noatune are here ;) [16:15] <drafz> emerge started [16:16] <stf^rocklinux_> drafz: remember the build process is fully automated, you can e.g. leave it running in the background over night. [16:16] <drafz> yup [16:17] <drafz> do you think it will run all the night ? :-S (emerge just stop , cant find the file gcc-3.3.6-blabla) [16:17] <stf^rocklinux_> rocket update is for installing packages from a network, iirc. Before you can use it, you must enter one or more remote .gem pools in /etc/rocket.conf. [16:17] <drafz> it tell me "did you run .Script/download for this package ?" [16:18] <drafz> where can i find these gem mirror ? [16:19] <stf^rocklinux_> rocket emerge does try to download the required files for that package (see the DOWNLOAD LOG console output), but if that fails, you will get that message above. [16:20] <drafz> no man pages for rocket ? :-p [16:22] <drafz> the main problem actually is i cant use "su" command [16:22] <stf^rocklinux_> see gems.rocklinux.org for gem mirrors. it's only a few days old, though, and I haven't tried it yet... [16:22] <drafz> wheel:x:10:drafz [16:22] <drafz> is in my /etc/group file [16:22] <stf^rocklinux_> drafz: which distro are you using? RC3? [16:22] <drafz> RC3 yeah [16:23] <drafz> Linux localhost 2.6.16.26-rock #1 PREEMPT Tue Jul 25 13:37:51 CEST 2006 i686 GNU/Linux [16:23] <stf^rocklinux_> did you log out the drafz user and login again? else your group memberships are not updated. [16:23] <drafz> yup i logout all session , even root [16:23] <drafz> drafz@localhost:~$ cat /etc/group | grep drafz [16:23] <drafz> video:x:16:drafz [16:23] <drafz> cdrom:x:29:drafz [16:23] <drafz> users:x:100:drafz [16:23] <drafz> wheel:x:10:drafz [16:23] <drafz> sound:x:17:drafz [16:24] <drafz> i dont have any drafz group [16:24] <drafz> drafz is a part of few goup , i dont find my UID :-/ [16:24] <drafz> i creat it with a kde tools [16:25] <stf^rocklinux_> what are the last lines of /var/log/messages after trying to su? [16:27] <drafz> Jul 25 18:21:57 localhost su[15983]: pam_authenticate: Autorisation refusée [16:27] <drafz> Jul 25 18:21:57 localhost su[15983]: FAILED su for root by drafz [16:27] <drafz> Jul 25 18:21:57 localhost su[15983]: - pts/1 drafz:root [16:29] <stf^rocklinux_> hm, what's in your /etc/pam.d/su ? [16:29] <drafz> drafz@localhost:/etc/pam.d$ cat su [16:29] <drafz> #%PAM-1.0 [16:29] <drafz> auth sufficient pam_rootok.so [16:29] <drafz> # Uncomment the following line to implicitly trust users in the "wheel" group. [16:29] <drafz> #auth sufficient pam_wheel.so trust use_uid [16:29] <drafz> # Uncomment the following line to require a user to be in the "wheel" group. [16:29] <drafz> auth required pam_wheel.so use_uid [16:29] <drafz> auth include system-auth [16:29] <drafz> account include system-auth [16:29] <drafz> password include system-auth [16:29] <drafz> #session required pam_selinux.so close [16:29] <drafz> session include system-auth [16:29] <drafz> #session required pam_selinux.so open multiple [16:29] <drafz> session optional pam_xauth.so [16:30] <stf^rocklinux_> it works here, so I'm just making wild guesses :/ [16:30] <drafz> sorry for flooding [16:30] <stf^rocklinux_> no problem [16:30] <drafz> i dont have the command addusers [16:31] <stf^rocklinux_> have you installed all packages from the CD, and have you modified any other configuration files? [16:31] <stf^rocklinux_> it's called adduser [16:31] <drafz> so i used kde users tool [16:31] <stf^rocklinux_> err, useradd :) [16:31] <drafz> i modified some file , but not many [16:31] <drafz> mainly /etc/X11/xorg.conf [16:31] <drafz> and ,... /Etc/fstab [16:31] <drafz> for noatime mount flag [16:32] <stf^rocklinux_> ok, that's not related to pam... [16:32] <drafz> hmm , i modified a thinkg [16:32] <drafz> a thing [16:32] <drafz> maybe it's the cause [16:32] <drafz> i replace %wheel in /etc/sudoers by %users [16:32] <drafz> then , i just replaced %wheel [16:32] <drafz> but i dont restarted any service [16:33] <drafz> maybe the file need to be re read ? [16:33] <stf^rocklinux_> I guess no, since all lines containing %wheel are commented out anyways. [16:34] <drafz> ? [16:34] <drafz> commented out so read and considered ? [16:34] <stf^rocklinux_> all lines beginning with # are considered comments and ignored, I guess. [16:34] <drafz> but it was uncommented [16:35] <drafz> yup it's uncommented [16:36] <drafz> ok i reboot so ? [16:36] <stf^rocklinux_> that file is for sudo, not for su, I guess it's not related to your problem. [16:36] <drafz> okay [16:36] <drafz> ... [16:36] <stf^rocklinux_> maybe try to create another user, this time with "stone". [16:36] <drafz> it's a pain , i can't even copy past from the terminal :p [16:37] <drafz> a backdoor :O [16:37] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [16:37] rocklogbot (i=blindcod@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:39] <drafz> hahahha [16:39] <stf^rocklinux_> ... and just add the user to the wheel group. [16:40] <stf^rocklinux_> ? [16:40] <drafz> i just typed sudo shutdown -h now , and terminal spoke to me about responsabilities :D [16:40] <drafz> best distro ever [16:40] <blindcoder> that's sudo, doesn't have to do with ROCK specifically [16:40] <drafz> omg [16:40] <drafz> i found a thing [16:40] <drafz> # Uncomment the following line to implicitly trust users in the "wheel" group. [16:40] <drafz> #auth sufficient pam_wheel.so trust use_uid [16:40] <drafz> so o? [16:40] <drafz> is this it ? [16:41] <drafz> i uncommented and all wheel users will be trusted [16:41] <drafz> so it 's the cause of my problem maybe ? [16:41] <drafz> tell me [16:41] <stf^rocklinux_> it's commented here, too, and su still works, so it's not the primary cause... [16:42] <drafz> <_> okay [16:42] <drafz> i think i will not be able to find the solving anyway [16:42] <stf^rocklinux_> but if that makes su work for you, you may consider to uncomment that line... [16:43] <stf^rocklinux_> well, did you try to create another user with stone and use su from that login? [16:43] <drafz> nope [16:43] <drafz> i didnt [16:43] <drafz> i dont want "stone" user [16:43] <drafz> i want drafz :-o [16:43] <drafz> the song remain the same [16:44] <drafz> ..i think [16:47] <stf^rocklinux_> hm, too bad I can't reproduce your problem, that would make finding a fix easier. [16:48] <drafz> yup [16:48] <blindcoder> just add the user to the group 'wheel' [16:48] <drafz> i will try to close all my "drafz" session and relog [16:48] <drafz> hi blind [16:48] <drafz> but drafz is in wheel group [16:48] <drafz> in /etc/group [16:49] <drafz> brb [16:49] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [16:49] <blindcoder> did you relogin after changing that? [16:49] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta run [16:49] <blindcoder> bbl [16:49] <stf^rocklinux_> blindcoder: he did... [16:49] <stf^rocklinux_> c u [18:05] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [18:06] <drafz> here again [18:06] <drafz> where is the web page where i can grab mirror for gcc33? [18:38] <drafz> okay , gcc 3.3.6 is builded and installed in /usr/local [18:38] <drafz> hat must i do now for my fglrx drivers ? [18:39] <drafz> should i make a symlink from /usr/local/lib/libstdcc++.so to /usr/lib/xxxx ? [18:45] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [18:51] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1497P009.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:51] stf^rocklinux_ (n=user@M1290P019.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [19:00] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [19:01] <drafz> ok [19:01] <drafz> incredible but it works [19:01] <drafz> i have my xorg DRI working [19:01] <drafz> :D [19:01] <drafz> i only build c and c++ langague for GCC [19:01] <drafz> bulding take only 6 7 minutes [19:15] <stf^rocklinux_> nice :) [19:18] <drafz> 50000 frame/sec on glxgears [19:18] <drafz> oops [19:18] <drafz> nearly 10K sorry [19:19] <drafz> it's from far better than previous drivers [19:19] <drafz> i will need to test TA:spring and maybe unreal or doom xD [19:21] <stf^rocklinux_> well, glxgears is not a benchmark, but anyway, have fun :) [19:24] <stf^rocklinux_> I mean glxgears is far too simple to be useful as a real-world benchmark... [19:36] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [19:37] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) joined #rocklinux. [19:43] <stf^rocklinux_> <-- afk [20:07] <blindcoder> re [20:36] <owl> re [20:37] drafz (n=drafz@ALagny-151-1-80-87.w81-249.abo.wanadoo.fr) left irc: "using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12" [23:13] <fake> hi [23:13] <fake> daja's safe and sound in his hotel room [23:13] <fake> which is more like 3 hotel rooms [23:16] <blindcoder> hoeh? [23:17] <blindcoder> so he's really going to move to .at? [23:18] <fake> looks like it. he'll look at flats this week [23:18] <blindcoder> heh, another lost cause [23:19] <fake> 338 builds total, 303 completed fine, 0 with errors. [23:26] <blindcoder> why is he moving to .at, anyway? [23:27] <esden> everyone moving to at [23:28] <esden> is there some job containing lisp in it's description ... if yes I also will move there ;) [23:28] <esden> or are they giving something for free? [23:30] <fake> esden: they offer jobs for free, you even get paid ;) [23:30] <fake> blindcoder: he'll start working at the company i work at, too, on August 1st [23:31] <blindcoder> ah, I see [23:31] <esden> fake: what company is it? [23:31] <fake> esden: www.hpc.at [23:31] <esden> fake: I heard you are coding windows stuff ... ;) [23:31] <blindcoder> hpc, the employer that ROCKs [23:31] <fake> esden: as windows stuff as you do. [23:31] <fake> esden: you know the toolchain stuff [23:32] <fake> esden: symbian toolchain is only really usable under windows. [23:32] <fake> esden: though the code is for ARM / Symbian [23:32] <fake> https://www.hpcdual.at/index.php?curPage=dz_technik [23:32] <fake> that's a way more interesting page [23:32] <blindcoder> fake: so I guess you'll be hosting the devmeeting [23:33] <fake> we have a rock-linux based product. [23:33] <blindcoder> fake: and think about the rl.net site :-) [23:33] <blindcoder> I'm off for today, bye [23:33] <esden> fake: ohh ... I see ... so you do funny embedded stuff [23:33] <fake> esden: if you define pentium IVs as 'embedded' ;) [23:34] <fake> esden: 'server applicance' would be a fitting name [23:35] <esden> fake: I see [23:36] <fake> esden: the symbian thing is embedded of course. it's just nokia/series60/series80/uiq phone app development [23:36] <fake> esden: the server appliance is referring to the web page i posted [23:37] <fake> esden: and then there are the java/jsp apps, the php solutions... [23:37] <fake> esden: we're really only specialized in problem solving ;) [23:37] <esden> yes I see ... no comment on the java/jsp and php stuff ;) [23:37] <esden> but the other things sound pretty nice [23:38] <esden> in contrary to the front page ;) [23:38] <fake> i don't like them that much either, but the effort/revenue quota makes them undeniable ;) [23:39] <fake> s/quota/quote/ [23:39] <esden> fake: that is a topic one can discuss if java/jsp and php are really the solutions that give you the best effort/revenue quota ... but I would not like to start this discussion now and here ... because I should go home ... :) [23:40] <fake> esden: that depends from case to case and can't be decided on a per-language basic in general ;P [23:40] <esden> yes quote ... right [23:40] <fake> esden: allright, see ya [23:40] <fake> s/basic/basis/ damn what is up with my typing [23:41] <esden> fake: I have another view of that topic (the language specific) but you may be right in your specific field ... (only on the basis of the avalilable libraries ...) [23:41] <fake> esden: no, it's generic [23:41] <esden> but as I said ... we can discuss it some day we see each other [23:41] <fake> esden: there is no such thing as a 'bad language' [23:41] <fake> esden: agreed ;) [23:42] <esden> nice ... I look forward to it ;) [23:42] <esden> cu [23:42] <fake> en garde! [00:00] --- Wed Jul 26 2006