[00:01] Action: netrunner playing with hugin
[00:20] <fake> blindcoder: there seems to be an obiwan at the planet linux kernel versions:
[00:20] <fake> Latest 2.4: 2.6.18-rc2-git5
[00:20] <fake> Latest 2.4-rc: 2.4.32
[00:20] <fake> Latest 2.2: 2.4.33-rc2
[00:20] <fake> Latest 2/6
[00:20] <fake> grrr
[00:20] <fake> Latest 2.6-snapshot = 2.4
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[07:10] <blindcoder> fake: oh cool, they hcanged the format
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[07:11] <drafz> hello
[07:11] <blindcoder> fake: fixed
[07:11] <blindcoder> moin drafz 
[07:12] <drafz> i dont find the "finger" command
[07:12] <drafz> i tried to rocket install finger , but no package 
[07:12] <drafz> :)
[07:12] <blindcoder> bsd-finger
[07:12] <drafz> bewteen
[07:12] <drafz> i have my DRI working 
[07:12] <drafz> :)
[07:12] <blindcoder> nice
[07:12] <drafz> )i builded gcc3.3.6 yesterday 
[07:13] <drafz> with source targz
[07:13] <drafz> with langage c and c++ , building taked 6 minutes
[07:13] <drafz> that rocks
[07:13] <drafz> ttrue combat elite works wwell
[07:13] <blindcoder> what machine is that?
[07:13] <drafz> A64 2.4 single core, X1900XT
[07:13] <drafz> 2gig ram
[07:14] <drafz> (X1900XT imagine , i CAN enable DRI )
[07:14] <drafz> a miracle
[07:15] <drafz> bsd-finger doesnt exist 
[07:15] <drafz> god i cant run the rocket script in X 
[07:15] <drafz> because i cant use "su"
[07:15] <drafz> :(
[07:17] <blindcoder> the su problem is strange
[07:17] <blindcoder> you are in 'wheel' group and haven't changed anything else?
[07:17] <drafz> and i have another question 
[07:18] <blindcoder> did you try 'rocket emerge bsd-finger'?
[07:18] <drafz> i put drafz in wheel group from /etc/group and /etc/shadowgroup
[07:18] <drafz> no i tried rocket install bsd-finger
[07:18] <drafz> okay emeging works
[07:18] <drafz> ;-)
[07:18] <blindcoder> try emerge, that's the command for 'download source and compile'
[07:19] <drafz> okay my question concern a new script provided by ATI
[07:19] <drafz> it's a services script
[07:20] <drafz> atieventsd.sh
[07:20] <drafz> in archive, it is stocked in a /etc/init.d folder
[07:20] <drafz> it's a script for modifyfan speed if GPU become too hot
[07:20] <drafz> a primary feature so
[07:20] <drafz> i put this script in /etc/rc.d/init.d
[07:21] <drafz> it is chmoded 755
[07:21] <drafz> then
[07:21] <drafz> i symlink it to /etc/rc.d/rc5.d/K24atieventsd
[07:21] <drafz> but at boot, script will not be exec
[07:21] <blindcoder> correct
[07:21] <drafz> or maybe i symlink to K24atieventsd.sh ... ?
[07:21] <blindcoder> no
[07:21] <blindcoder> S24atieventsd.sh
[07:22] <drafz> S ?
[07:22] <drafz> okay 
[07:22] <blindcoder> The K stands for 'K'ill
[07:22] <drafz> haaa
[07:22] <drafz> okay 
[07:22] <blindcoder> theS stands for 'S'tart
[07:22] <drafz> do you think i need to specify a killing contet for this script ?
[07:22] <blindcoder> yes
[07:22] <drafz> so ?
[07:22] <blindcoder> in rc0.d and rc6.d
[07:22] <drafz> what means number ?
[07:22] <drafz> 24 99 etc 
[07:23] <drafz> priority ?
[07:23] <drafz> acendant or descendant ?
[07:23] <blindcoder> correct
[07:23] <blindcoder> the services are started in ascending priority
[07:23] <blindcoder> lowest number first
[07:23] <drafz> okay 
[07:23] <drafz> so my script should run AFTER X running
[07:24] <blindcoder> I don't know if it matters, really, but it's probably a good idea
[07:24] <blindcoder> I'm using nvidia cards
[07:26] <drafz> okay
[07:26] <drafz> i dont have any rc6.d folder
[07:26] <drafz> only rc1.d and rcX.d
[07:26] Action: blindcoder thinks
[07:26] <drafz> :D
[07:27] <blindcoder> okay, then I was getting fooled by still being in the process of waking up
[07:27] <drafz> lol
[07:27] <blindcoder> in that case, you don't need a K symlink
[07:27] <drafz> grab his coffee mug 
[07:27] <blindcoder> because init will kill the process automatically upon shutdown
[07:27] <drafz> okay :)
[07:27] <blindcoder> ey, my coffee! *hug*
[07:28] <drafz> how many fps got you in glxgears ?
[07:28] <blindcoder> can't currently test
[07:28] <blindcoder> I'm on my non-accelerated laptop
[07:28] <blindcoder> the desktop machine is currently compiling
[07:28] <drafz> okay brb i will test a reboot ;)
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[07:37] <drafz> re
[07:38] <drafz> do you think i could compiled a new fresh 2.6.17-7 kernel ?
[07:38] <drafz> actually it's a 2.6.16 
[07:38] <drafz> and i forced to boot with pci=nommconf flag
[07:38] <drafz> linux crash if i dont specify this options 
[07:39] <drafz> can i use my 2.6.16-6-rock config file for a new 2.6.17-7 kernel ?
[07:44] <drafz> blindcoder ?
[07:53] Action: ubijtsa yawns
[07:54] <drafz> okay linux building start
[07:55] <ubijtsa> so what is ROCK like nowadays?
[07:55] <ubijtsa> I've not used it since 1.4.0 / 1.5.x days..
[07:59] <blindcoder> re
[07:59] <ubijtsa> lo blindcoder 
[08:00] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: it's a bunch of geeks creating a distribution build kit :-)
[08:00] <ubijtsa> blindcoder: still? ;)
[08:00] <blindcoder> drafz: you can easily copy the .config file to the new kernel tree
[08:01] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: and at least one company is publicly selling a product based on ROCK
[08:01] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: others are secretly using it
[08:02] <blindcoder> there's still the abomination called submaster :(
[08:02] <ubijtsa> blindcoder: sounds cool. I've sort of lost track of what ROCK were up to when my focus shifted a bit more to getting things done from compiling an optimised system
[08:03] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: well, always depends on your goals
[08:03] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: if you don't want to create a distribution, ROCK isn't the tool you need :)
[08:04] <blindcoder> harsh as it may sound
[08:04] <ubijtsa> blindcoder: I let others worry about how things are built.. I install what I need and then use it :)
[08:04] <blindcoder> anyway, we're in feature freeze right now
[08:04] <blindcoder> fake and th work on pushing out a release
[08:04] <ubijtsa> blindcoder: so what is the latest version then?
[08:04] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: fair enough
[08:04] <blindcoder> http://f4k3.net/~fake/rock/ROCK3-RC3-crystal-r7744.iso
[08:04] <blindcoder> that is
[08:04] <blindcoder> iso.rocklinux.de is having problems at the moment
[08:04] <ubijtsa> so 3.0-rc3 ?
[08:05] <blindcoder> and we don't reach LocalHero :(
[08:05] <blindcoder> 3-RC3
[08:05] <ubijtsa> okay, last I knew was 2.0 has just been released
[08:05] <blindcoder> we went away from using minor numbers
[08:05] <blindcoder> 'just' about two years ago :)
[08:05] <ubijtsa> shows how long I've not used it :)
[08:06] <blindcoder> well, rxr left the project along with some others
[08:06] <blindcoder> clifford is also not currently taking part in active development
[08:06] <ubijtsa> lots of changes then
[08:06] <blindcoder> yeah
[08:07] <blindcoder> anyway, gotta go get some work done now
[08:07] <blindcoder> bbl
[08:07] <ubijtsa> well, I've left IBM, worked for McAfee in the meantime and am now working for Red Hat.
[08:07] <ubijtsa> I also have a 19 month old son and a new baby due is October.. :)
[08:08] <ubijtsa> so I've not been idle ;)
[08:23] <drafz> i just finished to "make all" for alinux
[08:24] <drafz> system.map and vmlinuz are in /boot
[08:24] <drafz> but i dont find the new initrd for 2.6.17
[08:24] <drafz> i have only the old initrd 2.6.16
[08:30] <drafz> plz
[08:30] <drafz> explain me
[08:30] <drafz> why i dont have initrd for 2.6.17
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[08:38] <drafz> ringo
[08:38] <drafz> hi 
[08:38] <drafz> could you explain me why i dont have any initrd file ith my fresh builded 2.6.17-7 linux kernel ?
[08:38] <drafz> can i boot up with my old initrd 2.6.16 ?
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[09:40] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: busy busy :-)
[09:40] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: I'll be moving this weekend
[09:40] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: to a more active part of town
[09:41] <blindcoder> ubijtsa: after two years here, I finally feel like "living" here, not just "staying" here
[09:50] <owl> moin
[09:51] <blindcoder> moin moin owl
[09:51] <owl> hi blindy
[10:21] <ringo> moin owl, blindcoder
[10:21] <owl> hi ringo 
[10:26] <ringo> hi owl all ok ? Not to warm ? 
[10:27] <ringo> I am close to a air conditioner :)
[10:27] <owl> nothing's ok, and it's fscking hot. ok, not in this room... 
[10:27] <ringo> an aircontioner (I must learn English).
[10:29] <ringo> Ok but still behind a computer, I think that is cool in metaforickly.
[10:29] <ringo> ;)
[10:30] <owl> hm
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[11:55] <drafz> h
[11:55] <drafz> hi
[11:55] <drafz> where are these rock linux guru ?
[11:55] <drafz> i need help with su :O
[11:57] <netrunner> what's wrong with su?
[11:58] <drafz> hi
[11:58] <drafz> ha : and another problem, i dont know how change my hostname v_v
[11:59] <drafz> i created /etc/hostname , but it doesnt work
[11:59] <drafz> my problem with su , is basicaly , i can't use "su" command with my user "drafz" , wich is well in wheel group , as specified in /etc/group and /etc/gshadow
[12:01] <drafz> god i found for hostanme
[12:01] <drafz> i got 2 file 
[12:01] <drafz> HOSTNAME and hostsname , i presume HOSTNAME is the good file
[12:02] <drafz> brbr
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[12:16] <drafak> im back
[12:16] <drafak> anyone could explain me how change my hostname withtout broke all ?
[12:17] <kasc> drafak: depends :)
[12:17] <drafak> i changed my hostname and rebooted
[12:17] <drafak> but at prompt , kde couldnt launch itself, dcopserver problem
[12:17] <kasc> where did you change it? in your /etc/hosts?
[12:17] <drafak> i change it from /etc/HOSTNAME file
[12:18] <drafak> but i didnt change it in /etc/hosts
[12:18] <drafak> is it a pb ,
[12:18] <kasc> grep through your /etc and change every occurance of your old hostname to the new one
[12:20] <drafak> between , ...are you a rock linux guru ? :]
[12:20] <drafak> i dnt want to broke all my box :O
[12:20] <drafak> ;)
[12:20] <kasc> if you use any dns outside your box for your local network, you might wanna change the dns server, too
[12:20] <drafak> i know i cant broke , at least, my bash with that 
[12:20] <drafak> so , it's dangerousless
[12:20] <drafak> dns ?
[12:21] <kasc> domain name services
[12:21] <drafak> i use my ISP dns
[12:21] <kasc> but your isp doesnt know the hostname you just changed, right?
[12:22] <drafak> i have a router 
[12:22] <drafak> and my IP is dynamic
[12:22] <drafak> but i have a router :D
[12:22] <drafak> so there is no pb with that
[12:22] <drafak> it's a personal computer :O
[12:22] <kasc> that doesnt answer the question, but i assume you meant 'yes' ;)
[12:22] <drafak> i m playing with linux , one time again
[12:23] <drafak> all seem to be working 
[12:23] <drafak> i have only few pain : su , hostname 
[12:23] <drafak> basicaly
[12:23] <kasc> if you are not that familiar with linux, starting all over with rock linux is not the best choice
[12:23] <drafak>  so , you affirm there is no configuration assitant (like script etc ) for change ip/dns/hostname ?
[12:24] <drafak> i mean .. like yast or 
[12:24] <drafak> debconf --reconfigure or ... 
[12:24] <drafak> what ever
[12:24] <kasc> we have "stone"
[12:24] <drafak> i should manually change all hostname occurence ?
[12:24] <drafak> stone ? 
[12:25] <kasc> you didnt read any of the rock linux documentation, did you? ;)
[12:25] <drafak> no i didnt <_>
[12:25] <drafak> link ? 
[12:26] <drafak> hy dude, i just launch stone , and i think i activated encrypted file sysem
[12:26] <drafak> i just pushed "back" but it did something :-p
[12:26] <kasc> uh well...
[12:26] <drafak> ididnt add any "new device"
[12:27] <drafak> jsut push the back button , i think it's not a pb in fact
[12:27] <drafak> so ... 
[12:27] <kasc> are you aware that rock linux does not try to be fool proof at all? ;)
[12:27] <drafak> yup
[12:28] <drafak> su still sue me 
[12:28] <drafak> maybe i could re emerge it ?
[12:28] <drafak> with pam ?
[12:28] <drafak> dont yu thknk,
[12:28] <drafak> pam refuse to let me user use su
[12:28] <kasc> try it.
[12:29] <kasc> looking at the logfiles would be a more productive way of finding the actual problem, but just go ahead ;)
[12:30] <drafak> i did
[12:30] <drafak> and i posted the out here even , yesterday !
[12:31] <drafak> all pam.d file got a +r access on all 
[12:31] <drafak> so , it cant be a pb here
[12:31] <drafak> drafz is a part of wheel group 
[12:31] <drafak> and my su file of /pam.d seem to be correctly configured 
[12:31] <drafak> so , it's clueless
[12:32] <drafak> or even hopeless 
[12:32] <drafak> >8-p
[12:34] <kasc> are there any errors connected to this in your syslog?
[12:35] <drafak> wait
[12:36] <drafak> nope
[12:37] <drafak> appart few fglrx drivers error 
[12:37] <drafak> i dont find any "localhost" in /etc , but /etc/HOSTNAME file
[12:37] <kasc> are you maybe seperating auth errors to some other file?
[12:38] <kasc> pls dont tell me you tried to change your hostname from localhost to anything else...
[12:38] <drafak> i did 
[12:39] <drafak> but i erase my change and rebooted
[12:39] <drafak> i WANT change my hostname
[12:39] <drafak> how do ?
[12:40] <kasc> are there any changes left of your attempt?
[12:40] <drafak> nope
[12:40] <drafak> kde works well
[12:40] <drafak> i dont see anything in /var/log/warn
[12:41] <drafak> neither /var/log/messages 
[12:41] <drafak> appart few hardware pb
[12:41] <drafak> so ....
[12:41] <drafak> what , .. must .. i ..do
[12:41] <drafak> for change my hostnae
[12:41] <drafak> plz .. 
[12:42] <kasc> do you ever expect to be wanting to connect your box to a lan?
[12:42] <kasc> or maybe do local networking with other boxes?
[12:43] <drafak> i dont understand of that
[12:43] <drafak> of course im on a lan , i have a router, who bought internet to my 3 pc
[12:44] <drafak> my prompt is "root@localhost" ... that sucks :O
[12:44] <drafak> i want to change it 
[12:44] <kasc> do you want to be able to connect to your box from any og the other pcs on your lan?
[12:44] <drafak> what means "og" ?
[12:45] <kasc> of
[12:45] <drafak> ok , i presume you dont want to help me 
[12:45] <drafak> no
[12:45] <drafak> it's not necessary
[12:45] <drafak> i dont need it 
[12:45] <drafak> but inverse yeah
[12:45] <drafak> i will see that later anyway
[12:46] <drafak> i just want to get a decent installation , with a focntionnal su 
[12:46] <drafak> and a real ostname 
[12:46] <drafak> so , i will repeat again , do you know what i must do for change my hostname ?
[12:47] <kasc> the thing is, if you dont want to connect to your box from the other boxes, it would be ok to use 127.0.0.1 as a default ip. if not, you need some local ip
[12:47] <drafak> what the fuck are you saying 
[12:47] <drafak> ??!!
[12:47] <drafak> omg
[12:47] <drafak> ...
[12:48] <kasc> you need to add an entry with that ip and your hostname to /etc/hosts and only after you did that you may change your hostname
[12:48] <drafak> hmm
[12:48] <drafak> a yeah ?
[12:48] <drafak> so i will try to change /etc/hosts too
[12:48] <drafak> brb
[12:48] <drafak> but for dcopserver problem ?
[12:49] <drafak> okat 
[12:49] <drafak> thanks
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[12:49] <kasc> all those steps are absolutely basic adminstrative steps. if you are not familiar with them, please read the linux administrators guide at tldp.org
[12:49] <kasc> uh well...
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[12:57] <drafak> ok thanks , it works
[12:57] <drafak> i had change HOSTNAME , but forgot to change /etc/hosts too
[13:03] <kasc> you should do yourself a favor and read the linux administrators guide at tldp.org
[13:05] <drafak> thanks 
[13:05] <kasc> np
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[14:09] <fake> moin
[14:09] <daja77> hi fake :)
[14:09] <fake> hi daja77 ;)
[14:10] <fake> iso.rocklinux.de is gone
[14:10] <daja77> where to?
[14:10] <fake> and will never return
[14:10] <fake> (the setup as it was)
[14:10] <fake> local hero had it in a student's home computer room
[14:10] <fake> he finished his degree over a year ago ;-)
[14:11] <fake> now they cut the lines ...
[14:16] <daja77> oh
[14:16] <daja77> they neede one year ^^
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[14:43] <fake> boy, that pizza yesterday wasn't too good for my stomach
[14:43] <daja77> oh sry
[14:45] <fake> you don't have to be sorry, the doener man should ;)
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[14:47] <fake> daja77: you don't have a phone nr. yet, right?
[14:47] <daja77> yeah but i said to stop there
[14:47] <daja77> no
[14:47] <daja77> and i have some trouble with internal logins
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[14:48] <fake> daja77: i could have said no, you know ;)
[14:48] <daja77> :)
[14:48] <fake> daja77: i'll stop by in half an hour or so
[14:48] <daja77> ah that's great
[14:48] <fake> daja77: just testing -final
[14:48] <daja77> nice
[15:12] <fake> okay, i'll need a little more time
[15:12] <fake> i need to update the extraversions
[15:15] <daja77> ok
[15:17] <fake> and add a fix for 'these 2 warnings'
[15:32] <fake> the extraversions updates need a bit of rebuilding...
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[16:13] <blindcoder> -final?
[16:13] Action: blindcoder hugs fase
[16:14] Action: blindcoder hugs fake
[16:18] <fake> *iieks*
[16:27] <drafak> hey blind
[16:27] <drafak> su is finally working for my user
[16:28] <drafak> i just commented a line in /etc/pam.d/su
[16:28] <drafak> it seem that my user isnt a part of wheel group
[16:28] <drafak> really really strange 
[16:29] <drafak> wheel:x:10:drafz
[16:29] <drafak> drafz:x:500:
[16:29] <drafak> how can "drafz" not be in wheel group with that ??
[16:29] <blindcoder> he should be
[16:30] <blindcoder> wheel:x:10:blindcoder
[16:30] <blindcoder> wwork like a charm
[16:30] <blindcoder> hmmm
[16:30] <blindcoder> blindcoder:x:1000:100:Benjamin:/data/home/blindcoder:/bin/bash
[16:31] <blindcoder> I'm on uid 1000
[16:31] <blindcoder> which is UID_MIN according to /etc/login.defs
[16:31] <blindcoder> you are 500
[16:31] <blindcoder> It _may_ be that pam doesn't accept that
[16:31] <drafak> okay 
[16:31] <drafak> it's a subitlity i didnt know about linux
[16:32] <drafak> i thought only grp 0 meant something 
[16:32] <blindcoder> it's also something rarely anybody thinks about
[16:32] <blindcoder> only UID 0 means something special, actually
[16:32] <blindcoder> it's commonly agreed to that uids < UID_MIN are for services
[16:33] <blindcoder> like a webserver, mailserver or something
[16:33] <drafak> yup
[16:33] <blindcoder> but it's by no means a requirement
[16:33] <drafak> a fool stop
[16:33] <blindcoder> some distributions use 500 as UID_MIN, others 1000
[16:33] <blindcoder> try creating a user with uid 1000 and put him in the wheel groeup
[16:33] <drafak> okay so , i should change my uid to sometings > 999
[16:34] <drafak> can i change my actual UID .
[16:34] <drafak> ?
[16:34] <daja77> fool stop, lol i should remember this
[16:34] <drafak> i mean 
[16:34] <drafak> fool guard 
[16:34] <drafak> somethings ...
[16:34] <drafak> a light shield ?
[16:35] <drafak> anyway i commented the requiring of being in wheel group
[16:35] <drafak> so , it works like a charm
[16:35] <drafak> im actually trying to get my mplayer plugin for firefox
[16:36] <drafak> and the make install is compltely freezed :/ 
[16:36] <drafak> actual load 0.02
[16:36] <blindcoder> drafak: you can change your UID, but you need to change all ownership of your files then, too
[16:36] <drafak> nothing happen 
[16:36] <blindcoder> find / -uid OLD -exec cdown NEW {} \;
[16:36] <drafak> ok blind useless so
[16:36] <drafak> ok
[16:36] <blindcoder> chown, not cdown
[16:36] <drafak> :)
[16:37] <drafak> -uid OLD can recognize old folder of actual user  instance ??
[16:37] <fake> -uid 500
[16:37] <fake> of course
[16:38] <fake> but removing the wheel group requirement from pam.d/su is ok, too
[16:38] <drafak> and -exec flag make find command to run somethings on each object ??
[16:38] <fake> if youre on a personal, private workstation or so
[16:38] <drafak> yup
[16:38] <drafak> i'm
[16:38] <fake> drafak: exactly.
[16:38] <drafak> it's powerfull
[16:38] <fake> thoug xargs is a little more performant than -exec 
[16:39] <fake> because it gathers up to 32768 characters of arguments
[16:39] <drafak> but i'm beginner, so it's really huge. it's a whole world ...
[16:39] <fake> though find's exec is much more flexible.
[16:39] <drafak> 32768 character !!??
[16:39] <drafak> who need that ?? :))
[16:40] <fake> drafak: the maximum allowed for one command line, usually
[16:40] <drafak> is it a bash restriction?
[16:40] <blindcoder> drafak: you'd wonder how many times I hit that limit :)
[16:40] <blindcoder> no, a linux restriction
[16:40] <fake> drafak: if you build a complete rock linux, ls /var/adm/*/* is not working anymore because of that limitation ;)
[16:40] <drafak> but ?
[16:41] <drafak> when you telll "argument" what is it exactly ?
[16:41] <fake> for example 'ls -la'
[16:41] <fake> ls is the command
[16:41] <drafak> i imagine an argument is the -R of the command "cp -R"
[16:41] <fake> and -la is an argument
[16:41] <drafak> :))
[16:41] <fake> cp -R a.file b.file
[16:42] <fake> -R, a.file and b.file are arguments
[16:42] <drafak> ok so , how can it be possible to need more than 32k :O 
[16:42] <fake> for the kernel, cp is also an argument, so that counts, too ;)
[16:42] <drafak> god
[16:42] <drafak> linux will never be in people house :o
[16:42] <fake> drafak: you sometimes hit that limit, but don't worry, it'l clearly tell you what's the problem whenever you do.
[16:43] <blindcoder> drafak: it usually happensl when you use the output from one command as parameters for another
[16:43] <drafak> the big major of informatique industry refuse that 
[16:43] <fake> daja77: the limit on windows is the same
[16:43] <drafak> it's too powerfull i thnk
[16:43] <drafak> ok blind 
[16:43] <drafak> i think i understand
[16:43] <blindcoder> fake: strange enough, no *BSD has that limit :)
[16:43] <drafak> the arguement volule could grow exponentially
[16:44] <drafak> *volume
[16:44] <daja77> fake: ?
[16:44] <fake> grr
[16:44] <drafak> lol
[16:44] <drafak> ok 
[16:44] <fake> the bootdisk still gives the no /etc/fstab warning
[16:44] <drafak> now i need to know a thing
[16:45] <fake> although i coveres it in rockinitrd...
[16:45] <fake> *covered
[16:45] <drafak> rocket search firefox repot me nothing
[16:45] <drafak> *report
[16:45] <drafak> so i imagine i dotn understand what this command is fo r 
[16:46] <fake> rocket search only works if you entered a gem file repository
[16:46] <fake> for binary gems
[16:46] <drafak> so i dont have
[16:46] <drafak> i dont remember therepo file 
[16:47] <daja77> perhaps rocket should mention that ..
[16:47] <drafak> ;)
[16:47] <fake> blindcoder: any idea where to etc/fstab: no such file or directory might come from desite rockinitrd's init ?
[16:48] <drafak> another proff that noob, we usually dont read the fucking manual :/*
[16:49] <blindcoder> fake: that message came from the bootdisk
[16:49] <blindcoder> not the initrd
[16:49] <fake> blindcoder: that's impossible
[16:49] <fake> blindcoder: grep for fstab in target/bootdisk
[16:49] <fake> it should be in linuxrc.sh but it isn't
[16:50] <fake> maybe mount tries to open ot?
[16:50] <fake> *it ?
[16:50] <blindcoder> fake: well, it appeared in stage 1 bootdisk
[16:51] <drafak> god i hate vi
[16:51] <blindcoder> mount shouldn't care about fstab when it has two arguments
[16:51] <drafak> vi and probably vim are such pieve a shit 
[16:51] <drafak> it's disgusting
[16:51] <blindcoder> WEE, $EDITOR FLAMEWAR!
[16:52] <drafak> i asked me myself why i cant write some text on file 
[16:52] <drafak> i'm serious : O
[16:52] <daja77> missing clue? ..
[16:52] <drafak> it' s maybe a powerfull tools , but the simpliest task,  this soft has difficulties to do 
[16:53] <drafak> simpliest i mean , add a bytes in a file :-p
[16:53] <blindcoder> drafak: vim file
[16:53] <blindcoder> drafak: now press i for insert
[16:53] <blindcoder> drafak: enter text
[16:53] <blindcoder> drafak: plress ERC to leave insert mode
[16:53] <drafak> so i used the insert key , and sometime, vi created a new byte and replaced the old one. from that "o" to that "O"
[16:53] <blindcoder> drafak: press :w to save
[16:53] <blindcoder> prapress :q to quit
[16:54] <drafak> and more simply 
[16:54] <fake> drafak: read what blindcoder wrote!
[16:54] <drafak> == 07/26/06 18:46:41 =[9]=> Finished building package nano
[16:54] <drafak> :-D
[16:54] <daja77> omg
[16:54] <blindcoder> drafak: yes, because the insert key sends strange characters, like the ~ character, which causes vim to switch case of the underlying character and move to the next one
[16:55] <drafak> okay
[16:55] <fake> the 'insert key' is the key with the letter 'i' on it.
[16:55] <blindcoder> ~ is nice when you messed up case in a variable :)
[16:55] <drafak> im with an azerty
[16:55] <drafak> so insert is "insert" 
[16:55] <daja77> poor guy
[16:55] <fake> not in vi.
[16:55] <drafak> daja77 : ?
[16:56] <daja77> azerty - the layout from hell
[16:56] <drafak> :D
[16:56] <drafak> cheesy 's one right !
[16:56] <fake> vi is from a time, where there was no dedicated 'insert' key
[16:56] <drafak> o m g
[16:56] <drafak> ^_________________^
[16:56] <drafak> 386 ?
[16:56] <daja77> long before that
[16:57] <blindcoder> already had one
[16:57] <blindcoder> early 80ies
[16:57] <blindcoder> probably earlier
[16:57] <fake> much earlier. think PDP/11
[16:57] <blindcoder> even though they should finally upgrade vi to vii
[16:58] <blindcoder> I still like how the ESC key came into existence :)
[16:59] <blindcoder> people used ^[ (Ctrl and [{ so much that they gave it its own key :)
[16:59] <blindcoder> o it came from necessity
[16:59] <blindcoder> unlike some certain keys with strange logos on them...
[17:02] <blindcoder> *sigh*
[17:02] <blindcoder> I just entered init 5 and wondered why the machine doesn't shut down :(
[17:04] <fake> register_dm 'default' 'shutdown -r now' ? 8)
[17:06] <blindcoder> -h
[17:08] <blindcoder> fake: the explicit check for fstab in rockinitrd is nice, but unnecessary
[17:08] <blindcoder> /etc/conf/initrd/initrd_essential:/etc/fstab            /etc/fstab
[17:08] <fake> blindcoder: you are just soooo smart ;)
[17:09] Action: blindcoder bows
[17:09] <fake> blindcoder: i know it's unnecessary, but if someone removes that line, well, the check makes sense.
[17:09] <fake> blindcoder: and you have to agree, redirecting stdin to a file that isn't there is of no use, either ;)
[17:09] <blindcoder> if he removes that line, the system will be fubar
[17:10] <fake> blindcoder: if /etc/fstab is missing in the initrd, the system will be fubar anyways
[17:10] <fake> blindcoder: no matter what caused it
[17:10] <blindcoder> fake: it is, because there will be an error message
[17:10] <fake> blindcoder: there will be, anyways
[17:10] <blindcoder> and the user will actually know why the system says "Can't execute /sbin/init"
[17:11] <blindcoder> fake: can you add a:
[17:11] <blindcoder> else
[17:11] <blindcoder>         echo "Uh-oh, no fstab... Hope it'll turn out right..."
[17:11] <blindcoder> to that?
[17:12] <fake> blindcoder: see sm
[17:14] <blindcoder> great :D
[17:14] <fake> you were right, i thought there was a catch for rootfs="" further down
[17:16] <blindcoder> fake: locally I'm using the following two lines at the start of initrd:
[17:16] <blindcoder> set -e
[17:16] <blindcoder> trap 'exec /bin/bash < /dev/console > /dev/console 2> /dev/console' ERR
[17:16] <blindcoder> I'd like to introduce this to rockinitrd post-release
[17:17] <fake> maybe add an echo to the trap informing the user that he/she is dumped into a rescue shell
[17:18] <fake> but it's a nice idea
[17:18] <blindcoder> yeah
[17:18] <blindcoder> I developed this idea when I set up my root-on-raid machine :)
[17:19] <blindcoder> because I was too lazy to do the mount-udev-blah sequence manually each time
[17:20] <blindcoder> can anyone of you reach sourceforge?
[17:21] Action: fake trying
[17:21] <fake> yes
[17:21] <blindcoder> okay, so it's a local problem :(
[17:22] <blindcoder> time to go home
[17:22] <blindcoder> bbl
[17:26] <drafak> "<fake> register_dm 'default' 'shutdown -r now' ? 8)"
[17:27] <drafak> does it make machine shutdown at each boot ? :D
[17:27] <drafak> or is it the button fonction ?
[17:29] <drafak> LAMO
[17:29] <drafak> LMAO
[17:30] <drafak> <blindcoder> fake: can you add a:
[17:30] <drafak> <blindcoder> else
[17:30] <drafak> <blindcoder>         echo "Uh-oh, no fstab... Hope it'll turn out right..."
[17:30] <drafak> LOLLL
[17:30] <drafak> nerdz :O
[17:30] <mnemoc> -_-
[17:30] <drafak> huhuu ? 
[17:30] <drafak> anyone here ?
[17:30] <drafak> hi you
[17:30] <fake> sure
[17:31] <drafak> ok so
[17:31] <drafak> where is my repositori :D ?
[17:31] <drafak> i only need an url :O
[17:31] <fake> drafak: 5 packages away ;)
[17:31] <drafak> what ?
[17:31] <drafak> i think i need you explain me again 
[17:32] <fake> oh, you mean the binary repository?
[17:32] <drafak> binary r source
[17:32] <drafak> whatever
[17:32] <drafak> i prefer source even 
[17:32] <drafak> :D
[17:32] <mnemoc> .oO
[17:32] <drafak> for small app , i prefer use source
[17:32] <fake> drafak: if you want to install a package from source, rocket emerge is your friend
[17:32] <drafak> i know
[17:32] <fake> drafak: what distribution did you install?
[17:33] <fake> drafak: you know, rock linux is not a distribution
[17:33] <drafak> but "rocket search pr0n-app" report me nothing
[17:33] <drafak> it is 
[17:33] <fake> crystal rock is
[17:33] <drafak> why are you trying the realease the candidate3 ? :P
[17:33] <fake> rock linux is a utility for creating and maintaining your own distributions
[17:33] <drafak> u_o
[17:33] <drafak> okay 
[17:33] <drafak> ...
[17:34] <fake> but crystal is a nice example of how to do that.
[17:34] <fake> drafak: the binary gem repostiory for the release candidates is:
[17:34] <drafak> i see ..
[17:34] <fake> http://gems.rocklinux.org/repo/fake
[17:34] <drafak> thanks fake
[17:34] <fake> but it only contains the packages also contained on the cd
[17:34] <drafak> i missed something :fool:
[17:35] <drafak> hmm
[17:35] <fake> drafak: as soon as ROCK3-final is out, i'll start adding more packages to that repository
[17:36] <fake> and ROCK3 final is just getting commited
[17:36] <daja77> wow
[17:36] <drafak> GJ
[17:37] <drafak> is there any shell tool for verify , fastly , an file MD5 ?
[17:38] <daja77> md5sum?
[17:38] <drafak> turbolinux is commercial now ??
[17:38] <daja77> *shrug*
[17:38] <drafak> yup md5sum
[17:39] <drafak> thx
[17:42] <fake> 7770
[17:42] <fake> is our god now!
[17:42] <fake> 7770 the neighbour of the beast!
[17:44] <drafak> look at that
[17:44] <drafak> m sorry , there are too many thing i dont understand now !
[17:44] <drafak> Starting Azureus...
[17:44] <drafak> Java exec not found in PATH, starting auto-search...
[17:44] <drafak> OOPS, unable to locate java exec in  /usr/java/  hierarchy
[17:44] <drafak> now look
[17:45] <drafak> bash-2.05b# cd /usr/java && ls -la
[17:45] <drafak> total 1516K
[17:45] <drafak> drwxr-xr-x 2 root root   4096 2006-05-03 12:56 .
[17:45] <drafak> drwxr-xr-x 7 root root   4096 2006-05-03 12:56 ..
[17:45] <drafak> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root   4153 2006-05-03 12:25 ControlPanel
[17:45] <drafak> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  65076 2006-05-03 11:26 java
[17:45] <drafak> java is in /usr/java
[17:45] <drafak> but azureus dont consider it 
[17:45] <fake> drafak: ls -l /usr/java/bin/java
[17:46] <drafak> i symlinked the /bin/java in /usr/java
[17:46] <drafak> .. /usr/java IS /usr/lib/java/bin/java
[17:46] <drafak> :-S
[17:46] <drafak> ok let's try again 
[17:47] <fake> drafak: try running /usr/java/bin/java -v
[17:47] <drafak> Could not create the Java virtual machine.
[17:47] <fake> drafak: because it can't find it's files.
[17:48] <drafak> okay -_-
[17:48] <fake> export JRE_HOME=/usr/lib/java (or JAVA_HOME if you installed the jdk)
[17:48] <drafak> :D
[17:48] <drafak> does exporting is needed at each boot ?
[17:48] <fake> drafak: do this
[17:49] <fake> echo 'JRE_HOME=/usr/lib/java' > /etc/profile.d/jre
[17:49] <fake> as root
[17:49] <fake> then it get's set everytime you  log in
[17:49] <fake> or
[17:49] <fake> echo 'JAVA_HOME=/usr/lib/java' > /etc/profile.d/jdk
[17:49] <stf^rocklinux_> fake: there's already a profile.d file for sun-jdk1{4,5} ;)
[17:50] <fake> for the jdk. though the name of the file really doesn;t matter
[17:50] <fake> stf^rocklinux_: i guess he installed it manually, or does your package extract to /usr/lib?
[17:50] <stf^rocklinux_> fake: you're right, sun-jdk installs to /opt
[17:51] <drafak> Could not create the Java virtual machine
[17:51] <drafak> it's broke 
[17:53] <fake> drafak: did you install the jdk or the jre?
[17:53] <drafak> jre-1_5_0_07-linux
[17:54] <fake> http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/tags/ROCK-3/
[17:54] <fake> drafak: then you need to set JRE_HOME
[17:55] <fake> and instead of symlinking to /usr/java, just do this
[17:55] <fake> echo 'PATH=$PATH:$JRE_HOME/bin' >> /etc/profile.d/jre
[17:55] <drafak> i just grab a whisky glass :O
[17:55] <drafak> it's too fool
[17:55] <drafak> xD
[17:56] <fake> drafak: after that, re-login and it should work by just calling 'java'
[17:57] <drafak> so right now , i export JRE_HOME=/usr/lib/java/bin ?
[17:57] <fake> no!
[17:57] <fake> READ!
[17:57] <drafak> i read
[17:57] <drafak> so , i need to re login ?,:
[17:57] <drafak> ,!!
[17:57] <daja77> -.-
[17:57] <fake> JRE_HOME=/usr/lib/java !
[17:57] <drafak> i tought exporting was instantly for terminal ?
[17:58] <drafak> ok
[17:58] <drafak> sorry
[17:58] <fake> if you created the /etc/profile.d/jre file like described above, just re-login and it's assured it will work again the next time you open a shell
[17:58] <drafak> my brain just bugged
[17:58] <fake> drafak: nevermind
[17:58] <drafak> but what is strange is why it doesnt work right now
[17:59] <drafak> i know with it , i could run simply java , and java will start
[17:59] <fake> drafak: java is a bitch
[17:59] <drafak> but with the export JRE_HOME=/usr/lib/java, azureus should find it !
[18:00] <fake> and the PATH=$PATH:$JRE_HOME/bin
[18:00] <fake> and the removed /usr/java symlink, of course.
[18:00] <drafak> i will try 
[18:00] Action: fake off to office
[18:00] <fake> bbl
[18:01] <drafak> bash-2.05b# cat /etc/profile.d/jre
[18:01] <drafak> PATH=$PATH;$JRE_HOME/bin
[18:02] <drafak> is this right now ?
[18:02] <drafak> brb
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[18:08] <blindcoder> re
[18:10] <blindcoder> fake: can we move rockinitrd back to my repo after ROCK3?
[18:10] <blindcoder> fake: rockinitrd really shouldn't use extraversion unless there's more than one change per day
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[18:12] <drafak> : O
[18:13] <drafak> i let you imagine what was happen
[18:16] <drafak> echo $JRE_HOME
[18:16] <drafak> /usr/lib/java
[18:16] <drafak> echo $PATH
[18:16] <drafak> /usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11/bin:/usr/games:/opt/apache/bin:/opt/firefox/bin:/opt/gnome2/bin:/opt/gnome/bin:/opt/mysql/bin:/opt/openldap/bin:/opt/postgresql/bin:/opt/qt33/bin:/opt/samba/bin:/opt/thunderbird/bin:/usr/bin:/usr/lib/java:/usr/lib/java/bin
[18:16] <drafak> and , it doesnt work
[18:17] <drafak> i need to buy a brain 
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[18:24] <drafak> yo
[18:24] <drafak> i need antoher net brower than firefox 1.5.0.4
[18:24] <drafak> can i find previous version on crystal repo ?
[18:28] <stf^rocklinux_> drafak: how about konqueror (comes with kdebase)? 
[18:31] <stf^rocklinux_> drafak: I prefer konqueror over firefox in most cases :)
[18:32] <drafak> does konkeror have adblock plus ?
[18:32] <drafak> if yes, so , i will use it 
[18:32] <blindcoder> drafak: I prefer privoxy
[18:32] <drafak> adlbock plus is the reason i use it
[18:32] <blindcoder> formerly known as internet junkbuster
[18:32] <stf^rocklinux_> it does have an ad blocker, but I haven't used it yet...
[18:32] <drafak> i even not start konqueror yet :D
[18:32] <drafak> let's see 
[18:33] <drafak> bewteen i just read some dilder daily show
[18:33] <drafak> it's good 
[18:33] <stf^rocklinux_> btw. if manuallly installing java does not work, you might want to try rocket emerge sun-jdk14 or rocket emerge sun-jdk15
[18:33] <drafak> stf ,i will 
[18:33] <drafak> fo' sho' 
[18:38] <drafak> damn i dont find the good file 
[18:48] <drafak> bash-2.05b# ./java_vm
[18:48] <drafak> java_vm process: You need to set both JAVA_HOME and PLUGIN_HOME
[18:49] <daja77> .oO (/join #java)
[18:49] <drafak> pfffff :-|
[18:49] <drafak> that sucks 
[18:50] <drafak> i need to be idintified 
[18:51] <drafak> how create an identy on this server ?
[18:52] <blindcoder> /m nickserv help
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[19:02] <mnemoc> -_-
[19:05] <stf^rocklinux_> <-- afk
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[20:22] <fake> i/msg ChanServ op fake #rocklinux
[20:22] <fake> grr
[20:22] #rocklinux: mode change '+o fake' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[20:22] <owl> haha :) 
[20:23] <owl> luckily you didn't enter a pwd :)
[20:23] Topic changed on #rocklinux by fake!n=fake@f4k3.net: http://f4k3.net/~fake/rock/ROCK3-crystal-r7770.iso || http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/ROCK_Developer_Meeting_2006
[20:23] #rocklinux: mode change '-o fake' by fake!n=fake@f4k3.net
[20:23] <fake> you don't need one for ChanServ
[20:24] <owl> hrm. dunno
[20:35] <blindcoder> so that's -final?
[20:35] <blindcoder> fake: you realise announcing that to the world will get a metric fuckton of traffic on f4k3.net?
[20:38] <blindcoder> http://unixkiste.org/fun//pm20060621.png
[20:38] <blindcoder> :D
[20:39] <blindcoder> fake: also, please upload the sonar data!
[20:40] <fake> blindcoder: that's ok
[20:44] <blindcoder> fake: okay. so please announce ROCK 3 to the mailing lists with a changelog and all the funky stuff. I'll then take care of the rest
[20:44] <blindcoder> fake: and run 'bash misc/archive/sonar.sh'
[20:44] <blindcoder> I'd have like to get LVP 0.6.0 in, though :-)
[20:44] <blindcoder> 0.5.3 won't work with ROCK 3 :(
[20:45] <fake> blindcoder: uuh, changelog means work
[20:45] <blindcoder> yes, but some pages won't list the news unless there is one
[20:45] <fake> blindcoder: my build machine is down, i'll do that as soon as i'm at home (the sonar thing)
[20:46] <blindcoder> distrowatch, for example
[20:46] <blindcoder> okay, that's fine
[20:46] <fake> okay. svn diff tags/2.0.3 tags/ROCK-3
[20:46] <blindcoder> I can write the mail, if you want
[20:46] <blindcoder> but you have to send it to rock-devel
[20:49] <fake> blindcoder: i'll do it
[20:49] <fake> blindcoder: you write the mail, i write the changelog
[20:50] <blindcoder> okay
[21:05] <blindcoder> fake: http://scavenger.homeip.net/~blindcoder/ROCK/ROCK3.txt
[21:05] <blindcoder> fake: you should read over it and adjust it here and there :-)
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[22:14] <mnemoc> .oO( what about a history table on the wiki to celebrate the release of ROCK3? )o
[22:20] <fake> blindcoder: sonar is uploaded
[22:20] <fake> mnemoc: great idea - get an account and start it :)
[22:21] Action: fake off to server housing location, bbl
[22:21] <fake> blindcoder: i'll send the changelog when i'm back
[22:21] <fake> blindcoder: if you're still awake then.. ?
[22:22] <fake> blindcoder: about an hour?
[22:22] <mnemoc> fake: :)
[22:22] <fake> ah. screw it... i have 24/7 access, i'll write the changelog now and go there later
[22:25] <fake> blindcoder: it's great, i love it
[22:29] <blindcoder> fake: practically a brain dump
[22:31] <fake> blindcoder: svn diff tags/2.0.3 tags/ROCK-3 is running ;)
[22:32] <blindcoder> fake: sonar data activated
[22:32] <fake> already 4 MB big (the diff)
[22:33] <fake> hm
[22:34] <fake> what big changes did happen besides packageforks?
[22:34] <fake> 6.5 MB
[22:34] <fake> the pluggable output system
[22:34] <blindcoder> none
[22:34] <blindcoder> twice cache files
[22:35] <blindcoder> and _lots_ of changes in package/
[22:37] <fake> there are new flags in the cache files
[22:37] <fake> [PROVIDES] for example
[22:37] <fake> then there is rocket
[22:37] <fake> and the new initrd system
[22:37] <blindcoder> yeah
[22:37] <blindcoder> dep_db
[22:37] <blindcoder> well, the changelog is up to you, I suck at that
[22:38] <blindcoder> lvp only has tiny changelogs :)
[22:38] <blindcoder>  * usual package updates (ROCK Linux 7744)
[22:38] <blindcoder>  * i18n support
[22:38] <blindcoder>  * if there's only one video, play it automatically
[22:38] <blindcoder>  * V0.6.0: released, dubbed "it's a big big world"
[22:38] <blindcoder> done :-)
[22:41] <fake> package splits
[22:42] <fake> postinstall scripts
[22:42] <blindcoder> *nod*
[22:43] <owl> gn8
[22:44] <blindcoder> rockinitrd :)
[22:45] <blindcoder> and thus, filesystem encryption
[22:46] <blindcoder> anyway, guess I need to catch some Zs now
[22:46] <blindcoder> wow, middle of the night and it's 29 degree celsius
[22:46] <blindcoder> bye
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