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[11:29] Nick change: ripclaw -> ripclaw_afk
[11:30] <ripclaw_afk> ehlo world
[11:30] <ripclaw_afk> set afk(food)
[11:41] Nick change: ripclaw_afk -> ripclaw
[11:41] <ripclaw> hi
[12:23] <ripclaw> dot dot dot
[12:34] <owl> moin
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[13:05] <esden> moin
[13:06] <owl> hi esden! :)
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[13:17] <ripclaw> moin esden
[13:36] <stf^rocklinux_> hi all
[13:36] <ripclaw> hi stf
[13:36] <owl> somehow has a clue about the price-value of lyrics (for a song of course) with exclusive-using-rights...?
[13:39] <ripclaw> shotgun, 4 shells ?
[13:40] <owl> hum? O_O
[13:40] <owl> shotguns? 
[13:40] <owl> thx a lot ^^
[13:41] <owl> nah, i mean: paid in money... 
[13:42] <ripclaw> i dont know how much they take for the job these days... o_O
[13:42] <ripclaw> no friggin idea, what to pay for it...
[13:42] <owl> hrrrm. bad... 
[13:43] <owl> i have no clue, too... not aobut the money, but about the songs ^^
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[14:09] <mnemoc> wtf?! he did it?!! ... t2 2.2 was re-versioned into 6.0 (and the trunk into 7). should i cry or scream? :'(
[14:10] <owl> ???
[14:10] <ripclaw> nay laugh
[14:10] <ripclaw> rxr did crap round..
[14:10] <daja77> ?
[14:12] <mnemoc> ripclaw: you are right, laughing is better
[14:13] <ripclaw> wtf else 2do bout that ?
[14:15] <daja77> guess someone is pissed by the attention we got yesterday
[14:16] <ripclaw> so ?
[14:16] <ripclaw> let him
[14:16] <daja77> sure i do
[14:20] Nick change: ripclaw -> ripclaw_afk_EIs
[14:21] Action: netrunner rolling on the floor, laughing
[14:22] <netrunner> well, most great artists went mad ...
[14:23] <ripclaw_afk_EIs> the difference between madness and genius is lifetime success
[14:25] <mnemoc> :D
[14:28] <ripclaw_afk_EIs> ok, i am out for lunch
[14:28] Nick change: ripclaw_afk_EIs -> ripclaw_afk_food
[14:48] <esden> netrunner: how did your exam with helmut go?
[14:48] <esden> and re hi everyone
[14:49] <netrunner> esden: I experienced 3 braindamages and received 2.3
[14:49] <netrunner> esden: he gives not easy, but fair exams.
[14:51] <owl> enjoy the ice, ripclaw_afk_food ;) 
[14:53] <esden> netrunner: are you ok with the result?
[15:04] <netrunner> esden: it's fine :) I never cared much about grades, which bites me now searching for a job ;)
[15:12] <esden> netrunner: hehe ... ;)
[15:13] <esden> netrunner: but I do not think that you will have much of a problem finding the right job for you ...
[15:13] <esden> ;)
[15:13] <esden> ok ... I have to attend the computer science summer party now ...
[15:13] <esden> cu l8er 
[15:16] <owl> bye esden, hf.
[15:19] Nick change: ripclaw_afk_food -> ripclaw
[15:20] <netrunner> esden: party? where? want!
[15:22] <ripclaw> netrunner: party offline.
[15:22] <ripclaw> dont want
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[15:24] <ripclaw> cool endlich mal was sagen ohne gelogt werdne
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[15:25] <netrunner> rocklogbot: [15:20] < ripclaw> cool endlich mal was sagen ohne gelogt werdne
[15:25] <netrunner> *eg*
[15:28] <ripclaw> muepft
[15:29] <owl> *lol*
[15:50] <ripclaw> dot dot dot . . . 
[15:52] <owl> poor ripclaw 
[15:52] <owl> *pat pat*
[15:53] <ripclaw> dotdotdotdotdotdot *bored*
[15:53] <owl> .oO( developing dot-morse-codes. powered by ripclaw )
[15:53] <ripclaw> dotdotdot dot dot dot dotdotdot
[15:53] <ripclaw> the art is to read between the lines... errr dots
[15:54] <owl> i see lots of emptiness. 
[15:54] <owl> it's deep inside you- and your dots ^^
[15:54] <ripclaw> cant see emptyness
[15:54] <ripclaw> i can see boredom and smorebroed
[15:55] <owl> might the drugs work again? :)
[15:57] <ripclaw> not enuff... if (doping) then (caffeine)
[15:58] <owl> sorry, just have an empty cup of tea somewhere arround here-. hidden between the tft, mobile, plush-tux, cal, telephone, and lots of papers - at least i think so
[15:59] <ripclaw> if ! caffein then break exit abort wtf
[16:00] <owl> *ggg*
[16:00] <owl> white tea? why not :P
[16:01] <ripclaw> in a white tee with black spots on...
[16:02] <owl> you're drinking your milk with coffee? :)
[16:03] <owl> .oO( or does he think about the flies in the cup of tea...? )
[16:04] <ripclaw> no, thinking about "in a white room"... theres a song..
[16:05] <owl> which band?
[16:05] <ripclaw> dunno - procul harum ?
[16:05] <ripclaw> smthn from the 50s
[16:05] <ripclaw> methinks
[16:05] <owl> hrrrrrm. 
[16:06] <owl> which kind of music?
[16:06] <ripclaw> dunno watsitcalled ? 50s popular ?
[16:06] <owl> ^^
[16:10] Action: netrunner declaring the weekend
[16:10] <esden> netrunner: in rosenheim at my fh ;)
[16:11] <ripclaw> while !weekend do work
[16:30] <fake> hi
[16:30] <ripclaw> ih
[16:30] <ripclaw> xp
[16:30] <ripclaw> hi
[16:30] <fake> ;)
[16:31] Action: fake just rocket upgraded RC3 to final
[16:31] <ripclaw> :D
[16:35] <owl> hi fake 
[16:45] <netrunner> esden: you're in rosenheim? I thought in ingolstadt?
[16:54] <fake> 100 GB traffic on f4k3.net yesterday
[16:54] <owl> WTF are you doing, guy? O_O
[16:54] <fake> owl: mirroring the ROCK3 release
[16:55] <owl> aaah, i c ;)
[16:56] <ripclaw> get paid for traffic ?
[16:57] <fake> me? no
[16:57] <ripclaw> schade
[17:06] <fake> and another 65 GB on gems.rl.org
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[17:11] <stf^rocklinux_> xorg update is almost complete :)
[17:12] <stf^rocklinux_> fake: how about creating ROCK3 ISOs for e.g. Pentium 3 or Athlon XP, or another arch?
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[17:16] <fake> stf^rocklinux_: hm, i don't really have the time nor the resources
[17:16] <fake> stf^rocklinux_: it's just an example distribution...
[17:17] <stf^rocklinux_> fake: maybe th can spend some CPU cycles? at least P3 or Athlon XP optimizations should build fine.
[17:31] <fake> stf^rocklinux_: remember, it's not about the distribution, i'd much more like to use those cpu cycles on gcc 4.1 / glibc 2.4 / xorg update testing...
[17:34] <stf^rocklinux_> fake: that's fine with me too :)
[17:35] <stf^rocklinux_> btw. I've already build a working xorg 7.1 some weeks ago :D
[17:36] <fake> stf^rocklinux_: i'm currently finishing the addon packages for ROCK2
[17:36] <fake> s/2/3/
[17:36] <fake> ROCK8
[17:37] <fake> 1644 builds total, 1480 completed fine, 164 with errors.
[17:37] <fake> hm
[17:37] <fake> 1/10th broken
[17:38] <fake> that's ok for a practically 5-people-team
[17:38] <fake> i'll quickly take a look at the important ones
[17:38] <ripclaw> any of my old pkg brocken ? 
[17:38] <ripclaw> i`m here boring in hamburg through the weekend.
[17:39] <fake> ripclaw: what are your packages?
[17:39] <fake> ripclaw: you don't have a repository in packages, you lazy brat ;)
[17:40] <ripclaw> keine ahnung, die ich frueher mal hatte...
[17:40] <fake> ripclaw: sparc stuff, i guess?
[17:40] <ripclaw> yes i dun have any, cuz ppl been using svn i dont have
[17:40] <ripclaw> and didnt accept cvs or mail merge
[17:40] <ripclaw> sparc, some other stuff like wmx wm2 etc
[17:41] <fake> you can upload diffs coming from wherever in the submaster webfrontend, which is about as much work as writing a mail
[17:41] <ripclaw> if anything in there i can help, i have a brogin weekend otherwise..
[17:41] <fake> ripclaw: there is more than enough work, that's for sure
[17:42] <ripclaw> ok
[17:42] <ripclaw> i have cygwin or macosx here only...
[17:42] <ripclaw> but i think i can do it in the vmware
[17:42] <fake> hey, you could install ROCK3 as a start ;)
[17:43] <stf^rocklinux_> ripclaw: you could also try qemu :)
[17:43] <ripclaw> 7770 or 7740 ? i think i already have 40 installed
[17:44] <ripclaw> stf i am not ok to install quemu on customer laptop
[17:44] <ripclaw> so, gotta go
[17:45] <ripclaw> man liest sich
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[17:48] <sigma957> what gcc version is suggested for rock3?
[18:00] <fake> sigma957: it bootstraps it's own version in stage 1
[18:00] <fake> sigma957: any 3.x should work
[18:00] <fake> sigma957: 4.0 is most tested.
[18:06] <sigma957> I'm using a debian install, and now I get a gcc error on line 141. not sure why
[18:08] <stf^rocklinux_> sigma957: what error, at which stage and in which package?
[18:10] <sigma957> running ./scripts/Config - running Rock linux trunk configuration, building /src/config.helper.so. - ./scripts/Config: line 141: gcc: command not found
[18:12] <stf^rocklinux_> looks like there's no gcc installed, or it's not in your path.
[18:12] <stf^rocklinux_> scripts/Config uses the system's gcc...
[18:13] <sigma957> sounds right. let me fix the path. thanks. Rock sounds interesting so I wanted to try it out
[18:13] <fake> sigma957: it may be that the 'gcc' symlink in /usr/bin is just failing
[18:13] <fake> sigma957: though, building in debian is a little tricky
[18:14] <fake> sigma957: debians info-page installer backups old info pages to /var/adm/backups, which can give 'file created outside basedir' errors in stage 1
[18:14] <fake> sigma957: but it's possible they changed that (i saw that 2 years ago)
[18:14] <stf^rocklinux_> fake: here, /usr/bin/gcc is a symlink too, and scripts/Config works
[18:15] <fake> sigma957: the symlink is of couse not failing, but missing ;-)
[18:15] <fake> stf^rocklinux_: i ment missing ;)
[18:15] <stf^rocklinux_> fake: i c :)
[18:15] <fake> stf^rocklinux_: if you remove the gcc-meta-package with apt, while another gcc version is installed, there will be no cc / gcc / cpp symlinks
[18:18] <sigma957> well I created the symlink and it got a ton of errors and warnings.
[18:19] <sigma957> hmm.. how much space does crystal linux take once installed? that just might be easier
[18:20] <stf^rocklinux_> sigma957: about 2 GB with all packages.
[18:21] <sigma957> ok I'll do that later than. thanks
[18:23] <fake> sigma957: what errors do you get?
[18:24] <fake> sigma957: you probably need libc-dev installed
[18:32] <stf^rocklinux_> afk
[18:38] <sigma957> all right I'll try that too
[18:39] <th> yea i can do ROCK-3 mass production
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[18:44] <fake> th: a bbs iso would be nice
[19:00] <fake> i really don't think more crystal variants would be helpful...
[19:04] <th> fake: i'm building bbs-iso and bbs-tarset
[19:04] <owl> boys - someone interested in working with a small team of friends on a left (political) magazine, which would be published in inet?
[19:04] <th> oh cool bbs has failures in ROCK-3 tag
[19:04] <owl> (linksgerichtet und satire)
[19:04] <th> that was better in rc3
[19:04] <th> something changed with linux24
[19:05] <th> not cool
[19:05] <owl> .oO( offering a TNT-dealer would be helpfull, too )
[19:05] <owl> -l
[19:06] <fake> th: linux24 is not CORE...
[19:06] <fake> th: sorry, i really don't test that
[19:07] <fake> th: though no linux24 patches have gone in
[19:08] <th> something must've changed
[19:08] <th> last bbs build was without any error.
[19:09] <th> i think it did not built linux24 before
[19:10] <th> r7754: 2006072219214518561
[19:10] <th> this one perhaps?
[19:11] <fake> th: that souldn't affect the linux24 package itself
[19:11] <th> no but it may cause that linux24 is built
[19:11] <fake> th: ooh, ok, i see
[19:11] <fake> th: i though you were actrually using linux24 kernel in bss for a moment ;-))
[19:11] <fake> th: yeas, then it's definitely that patch. stf?
[19:12] <th> linux.* /     { p; d; }
[19:12] <th> sets/basic.set
[19:12] <fake> should be replaced by linux=linux26
[19:12] <fake> or linux26 ?
[19:12] <fake> not sure
[19:12] <fake> the method sucked
[19:12] <th> automake=automake19 / { p; d; }
[19:13] <fake> yeah, so it's linux=linux26 i guess
[19:13] <th> that's why i wanted to do test builds before tagging ;)
[19:14] <fake> th: you took way to much time - it's not that important. affected users will ask on rock-user, and the fix should go into trunk soon.
[19:14] <th> NOI - no problem here.
[19:14] <fake> fake: NOI ?
[19:14] <th> no offence intended.
[19:15] <fake> NOI here, either ;)
[19:15] <th> none taken ;)
[19:15] <fake> kk. i'll catch some sleep now
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[19:31] <stf^rocklinux_> th: yes, my fault... I didn't adapt pkgsel sets.
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[20:38] <bugihugi> hi, i'm running into problems compiling rock. glibc23 complains about old header files, but they are recent. compiling the  consecutive packages fail bcause gcc is unable to compile. any hints ?
[20:44] <bugihugi> help ?
[20:45] <stf^rocklinux_> bugihugi: what distro are you trying to build? 
[20:46] <stf^rocklinux_> bugihugi: do you use any non-default options? Which package fails to build first? What is the exact error message?
[20:48] <bugihugi> um, roter 
[20:48] <bugihugi> sorry router
[20:49] <bugihugi> no special configs, libc23 fails then the new built gcc fails bcause of missing libc
[20:50] <stf^rocklinux_> hm, I haven't tried building router target yet...
[20:50] <bugihugi> may i paste 10 loines of error code into here ?
[20:50] <stf^rocklinux_> sure
[20:51] <bugihugi> checking installed Linux kernel header files... TOO OLD!
[20:51] <bugihugi> configure: error: GNU libc requires kernel header files from
[20:51] <bugihugi> Linux 2.0.10 or later to be installed before configuring.
[20:51] <bugihugi> The kernel header files are found usually in /usr/include/asm and
[20:51] <bugihugi> /usr/include/linux; make sure these directories use files from
[20:51] <bugihugi> Linux 2.0.10 or later.  This check uses <linux/version.h>, so
[20:51] <bugihugi> make sure that file was built correctly when installing the kernel header
[20:51] <bugihugi> files.  To use kernel headers not from /usr/include/linux, use the
[20:51] <bugihugi> configure option --with-headers.
[20:51] <bugihugi> --- BUILD ERROR ---
[20:52] <bugihugi> i mean i understand the problem. i just dont know how to fix it. but found a hint about building one by one with "-job"
[20:52] <bugihugi> alos my kernel headers in the mentioned dirs are recent 2.6.xxx
[20:52] <stf^rocklinux_> afaics the problem is that the router target does not include any kernel headers - and yes, that's a bug.
[20:53] <bugihugi> oh, fine....tnx a lot
[20:53] <stf^rocklinux_> you can fix that by using custom package selection in scripts/Config (Expert options) and add the line "X linux-libc-headers"
[20:53] <stf^rocklinux_> that should do
[20:53] <bugihugi> so i could a them manually in package selection ?
[20:54] <bugihugi> lol...just thought about that
[20:54] <bugihugi> tyvm stf, you saved me a lot of time...great....
[20:54] <stf^rocklinux_> as you can see, router target hasn't been tested in ages... ;) 
[20:55] <stf^rocklinux_> you're welcome
[20:56] <stf^rocklinux_> gotta go now, cya
[20:56] <bugihugi> well, so im going to subscribe myself as a router-tester, lol. i try the fix and report here later...
[20:56] <bugihugi> bye tnx again
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[21:09] <berndix> Hi there :)
[21:10] <owl> hi berndix 
[21:11] <berndix> Hi, I'm quite new to IRC and to this channel, of course... So I have a question about rocklinux 
[21:13] <berndix> While I'm trying to verify the checksum it fails. Is there any problem with installing rocklinux under vmware?
[21:16] <berndix> I hope I don't annoying someone. :-|
[21:18] <th> no - no problem with vmware.
[21:19] <th> berndix: how d'you try to verify the cksum?
[21:19] <berndix> During installation
[21:20] <th> installation from cdrom?
[21:20] <berndix> from iso, whis is emulated
[21:20] <th> cksum of the iso is correct?
[21:21] <berndix> One mirror let download me the md5sum file and this was ok...
[21:22] <berndix> just a moment please... I can't believe my eyes...
[21:22] <berndix> ok...
[21:23] <berndix> The check against its embedded checksum of the crystal ISO says: 
[21:24] <th> embedded checksum?
[21:24] <berndix> MD5Sum is NOT correct! Please contact the authors!
[21:26] <berndix> Yep. There's an install-menu:
[21:26] <berndix> 0. Load 2nd stage system from cdrom or floppy device
[21:26] <berndix> 1. Load...
[21:26] <berndix> ...
[21:26] <berndix> 8. Validata a CD/DVD against its embedded checksum
[21:27] <th> interesting
[21:28] <th> can  you just md5sum the iso file?
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[21:28] <berndix> ok... just a moment...
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[21:29] <berndix> Ok, I#ve renamed the ISO, but I think that doesn't matter:
[21:29] <berndix> besc2008@defiant:/media/hda6/isos/rock$ md5sum rock3.iso
[21:29] <berndix> 0646e9fcf7299d6b88731561fceda9df  rock3.iso
[21:33] <berndix> I've checked the checksum, because I got package-errors everytime on x.org, kernel-source package and some more during installation
[21:34] <berndix> My next trail was download the iso from a differnet mirror/server. But the md5checksums of both isos were the same. 
[21:37] <th> did you compare the checksum with what is on the server?
[21:38] <berndix> Yep. Both where equal
[21:38] <th> have you tried another machine?
[21:39] <berndix> yep. http://gems.rocklinux.org/release/ and http://f4k3.net/~fake/rock/
[21:41] <berndix> btw: for download I uses wget -c
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[22:21] <berndix> Well I'm starting to try the ROCK3-RC3-crystal-r7744.iso. If there's any checksum-error I guess I'll have to check my system :-S
[22:24] <fake> moin
[22:24] <fake> hey, strange people in here - hi berndix 
[22:24] <berndix> hi :)
[22:24] <owl> why strnag?eß
[22:24] <owl> shti. i am typing suaheli
[22:25] <owl> narf. shit even ^^
[22:26] <fake> berndix: that's odd. but if 'md5sum ROCK3-crystal-r7770.iso' outputs the same as 'cat ROCK3-crystal-r7770.iso.md5' it's most likely the checksum embedding is simply borken
[22:28] <berndix> ok, and some packages too?! 2 minimal-installes and two times error-messages about broken x.org and kernel-source packages.
[22:28] <fake> no, that shouldn't happen.
[22:28] <fake> definitely not ;)
[22:29] <berndix> but the checksums are equal.
[22:29] <fake> berndix: i test-installed the ISOs in vmware, too...
[22:29] <fake> berndix: what exactly is the error?
[22:29] <berndix> these two packages won't install
[22:30] <fake> berndix: x.org, kernel source are the bigges packages. are you running low on memory perhaps?
[22:30] <fake> berndix: did you activate a swap partition before the installer runs?
[22:30] <berndix> nope :-(
[22:30] <fake> gotcha ;)
[22:30] <berndix> argh
[22:30] <berndix> ok
[22:30] Action: fake gotta run
[22:31] <berndix> once again... 
[22:31] <fake> i'll be back later, if you can't get it to work please write to rock-user, if you want
[22:31] <berndix> mailinglist?
[22:31] <fake> maybe using the nifty vmware screenshot option..
[22:32] <berndix> ok
[22:32] <fake> ack, http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
[22:32] <fake> have fun!
[22:32] <berndix> ok thanx all for help
[22:47] <berndix> yep yep yeeaah! It worked... :-D 
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[23:06] <owl> ^^
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