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[02:48] <stf^rock1inux> test="a b"' 
[02:48] <stf^rock1inux> :/
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[15:37] <owl> moin
[16:15] <stf^rocklinux> moin moin
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[18:46] <blindcod1r> moin
[18:46] <blindcod1r> stf^rock1inux!
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[18:50] <stf^rock1inux> hey blindcoder :)
[18:52] <stf^rock1inux> how do you like the new init scripts?
[18:52] <blindcoder> I'll have a look
[18:52] <blindcoder> just got home from vacation :)
[18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: okay, it's a start
[18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: but I'd prefer them slightly different
[18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: not as /etc/rc.d/init.d/ scripts
[18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: but as SMP suggested using a sysinit directive in /etc/inittab
[18:54] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: using something like /etc/rcS.d
[18:56] <stf^rock1inux> hm, the scripts can be started and stopped, the sysinit directive runs only once...
[18:56] <blindcoder> at least for everything that doesn't need or doesn't have a 'stop'
[18:56] <stf^rock1inux> some parts could be moved to sysinit, though.
[18:56] <blindcoder> I will move other parts to initrd anyway
[18:56] <blindcoder> like filesystem mounting
[18:57] <stf^rock1inux> we still need those parts when no initrd is used
[18:58] <blindcoder> I'd rather eliminate the no-initrd case
[18:58] <blindcoder> err
[18:58] <blindcoder>  devfsd_postmake()
[18:58] <blindcoder>  {
[18:58] <blindcoder> +	touch /etc/test
[18:58] <blindcoder> +	touch /etc/test4
[18:58] <blindcoder> +
[18:58] <blindcoder> wtf?
[18:59] <stf^rock1inux> btw. the new scripts can start and stop udev e.g. for single user mode
[18:59] <stf^rock1inux> ah, a test for my upcoming fl_wrapper patch :P
[18:59] <blindcoder> heh
[18:59] <blindcoder> can you remove that for now?
[19:00] <stf^rock1inux> better keep the no-initrd case as a fallback
[19:00] <blindcoder> that'll make a lot of code-duplication
[19:00] <blindcoder> I'm not saying it can't be done
[19:00] <blindcoder> but it'll take a lot of extra work
[19:01] <stf^rock1inux> why? just keep the init scripts as they are 
[19:02] <blindcoder> can't be done
[19:02] <stf^rock1inux> I mean as they are with my patch
[19:02] <blindcoder> for example, I need to mount / and /usr (at least) before chrooting and running init
[19:03] <blindcoder> if localfs.init then runs fsck or mount, it will fail and stop the startup procedure
[19:03] <blindcoder> we will need something like:
[19:03] <blindcoder> /tmp/ROCK/tasks/filesystems/_usr_mounted.OK
[19:04] #rocklinux: mode change '+o blindcoder' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[19:04] Topic changed on #rocklinux by blindcoder!i=blindcod@gateway/tor/x-48ca0ce8788ea979: Saturday, 2nd September 2006, 16:00 CEST: ROCK Developer Phone Conference || ROCK 3 released: Crystal binary at: http://gems.rocklinux.org/release/ROCK3-crystal-r7770.iso
[19:04] #rocklinux: mode change '-o blindcoder' by blindcoder!i=blindcod@gateway/tor/x-48ca0ce8788ea979
[19:07] <blindcoder> will it be surprising if I - once again - will ask for the burial of submaster?
[19:08] <stf^rock1inux> alternatives?
[19:11] <blindcoder> svn write access for the remaining few developers we have
[19:11] <blindcoder> submaster has cost us roughly half if not more of our contributors
[19:12] <blindcoder> and it makes coordinating work between two or more people so difficult that it borders on the impossible
[19:15] <stf^rock1inux> I'm a bit worried about the stability of trunk, if every dev has direct commit access
[19:17] <stf^rock1inux> as for coordinating work, one always has the merge problem with svn and more than one person working on the same file at the same time
[19:17] <blindcoder> IIRC even submaster didn't prevent the cups problem
[19:18] <blindcoder> it's not like we're _trying_ to break stuff
[19:18] <blindcoder> but there are some big TODOs on my list
[19:18] <blindcoder> and I imagine that I won't be able to do it on my own
[19:18] <blindcoder> see the system.init thing
[19:18] <blindcoder> it will mix with the initrd work and my work on a new installer
[19:19] <stf^rock1inux> cups was a known problem; better testing would have helped :/
[19:19] <blindcoder> if I have to wait for patches to be applied for a few days
[19:19] <blindcoder> it will slow down my work
[19:19] <blindcoder> If I apply them thinking 'they will be applied anyway' and they will not, I have wasted time
[19:19] <blindcoder> and merging them with a new patch will be quite a hassle, too
[19:20] <blindcoder> since my changes will overlap with other changes from that patch
[19:22] <stf^rock1inux> I'd prefer more devs write access via submaster
[19:23] <stf^rock1inux> submaster has some advantages over svn imo
[19:25] <blindcoder> it would if the people with write access would be more present
[19:25] <blindcoder> clifford is gone
[19:25] <blindcoder> fake is busy with work
[19:25] <blindcoder> and th... well, he is available upon request at least
[19:27] <stf^rock1inux> hm, how will I be able to join the phone conference on saturday?
[19:28] <blindcoder> got skype?
[19:28] <stf^rock1inux> lol
[19:28] <blindcoder> ?
[19:29] <stf^rock1inux> I added a skype package a while ago and later decided to remove it again 
[19:29] <stf^rock1inux> basically because it's proprietary and closed source
[19:30] <stf^rock1inux> but I can install it again :)
[19:30] <blindcoder> that'd be great
[19:30] <blindcoder> I run skype here
[19:31] <stf^rock1inux> that tells me you use an x86 :D
[19:31] <blindcoder> surprise, surprise :P
[19:37] <stf^rock1inux> btw. please adapt the init scripts if necessary
[19:37] <stf^rock1inux> I have only tested them with my simple partition layout
[19:38] <blindcoder> I will test them once I have a build again
[19:38] <stf^rock1inux> no lvm, net mounts, etc.
[19:38] <blindcoder> I have neither of those, thoo
[19:38] <blindcoder> too
[19:38] <blindcoder> there's no way to easily create LVMs (new installer, nudge, wink)
[19:39] <blindcoder> and I don't want to reinstall my laptop :(
[19:39] <stf^rock1inux> at least one can stop/start udev eg. for single user mode with the new scripts...
[19:39] <blindcoder> yeah, that's a good thing
[19:40] <stf^rock1inux> and one can use devfsd (for 2.4 kernels) and udev (for 2.6) without changing the configuration in stone
[19:41] <blindcoder> just by adapting the runlevel config?
[19:41] <stf^rock1inux> both devfsd and udev are init scripts now, and enabled by default
[19:42] <stf^rock1inux> devfsd is only used for 2.4 kernels and udev only for 2.6
[19:42] <blindcoder> nice
[19:42] <stf^rock1inux> and if neither is enabled, there's also the static-dev init script
[19:43] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: there's a script in /usr/src/linux/ to populate a static /dev/ directory
[19:43] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: maybe we should use that?
[19:44] <stf^rock1inux> the basic files in /dev are already installed with 00-dirtree
[19:48] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[19:49] <stf^rock1inux> I don't know, either install most dev files with 00-dirtree or create them on a ramfs on-the-fly, in which case they are not static anymore 
[19:51] <stf^rock1inux> or use a ramfs with write-back functionality :)
[19:59] <blindcoder> yeah
[19:59] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off to my favorite pub now
[19:59] <blindcoder> bye
[20:23] <stf^rock1inux> cya
[20:50] <th> hehe did i mention that the initramfs thing (which i still did not commit to submaster) already boots from lvm?
[20:50] <th> since the beginning
[20:51] <th> september 2nd... i'll try to attend.. will there be POTS access?
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