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[13:12] blindcoder (i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder) left irc: Remote closed the connection [15:37] <owl> moin [16:15] <stf^rocklinux> moin moin [17:03] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [18:35] stf^rock1inux (n=user@M1189P020.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [18:46] <blindcod1r> moin [18:46] <blindcod1r> stf^rock1inux! [18:46] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [18:48] daja77 (n=daja77@dslb-088-072-042-069.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: "umzug" [18:49] stf^rocklinux (n=user@M1528P018.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [18:50] <stf^rock1inux> hey blindcoder :) [18:52] <stf^rock1inux> how do you like the new init scripts? [18:52] <blindcoder> I'll have a look [18:52] <blindcoder> just got home from vacation :) [18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: okay, it's a start [18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: but I'd prefer them slightly different [18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: not as /etc/rc.d/init.d/ scripts [18:53] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: but as SMP suggested using a sysinit directive in /etc/inittab [18:54] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: using something like /etc/rcS.d [18:56] <stf^rock1inux> hm, the scripts can be started and stopped, the sysinit directive runs only once... [18:56] <blindcoder> at least for everything that doesn't need or doesn't have a 'stop' [18:56] <stf^rock1inux> some parts could be moved to sysinit, though. [18:56] <blindcoder> I will move other parts to initrd anyway [18:56] <blindcoder> like filesystem mounting [18:57] <stf^rock1inux> we still need those parts when no initrd is used [18:58] <blindcoder> I'd rather eliminate the no-initrd case [18:58] <blindcoder> err [18:58] <blindcoder> devfsd_postmake() [18:58] <blindcoder> { [18:58] <blindcoder> + touch /etc/test [18:58] <blindcoder> + touch /etc/test4 [18:58] <blindcoder> + [18:58] <blindcoder> wtf? [18:59] <stf^rock1inux> btw. the new scripts can start and stop udev e.g. for single user mode [18:59] <stf^rock1inux> ah, a test for my upcoming fl_wrapper patch :P [18:59] <blindcoder> heh [18:59] <blindcoder> can you remove that for now? [19:00] <stf^rock1inux> better keep the no-initrd case as a fallback [19:00] <blindcoder> that'll make a lot of code-duplication [19:00] <blindcoder> I'm not saying it can't be done [19:00] <blindcoder> but it'll take a lot of extra work [19:01] <stf^rock1inux> why? just keep the init scripts as they are [19:02] <blindcoder> can't be done [19:02] <stf^rock1inux> I mean as they are with my patch [19:02] <blindcoder> for example, I need to mount / and /usr (at least) before chrooting and running init [19:03] <blindcoder> if localfs.init then runs fsck or mount, it will fail and stop the startup procedure [19:03] <blindcoder> we will need something like: [19:03] <blindcoder> /tmp/ROCK/tasks/filesystems/_usr_mounted.OK [19:04] #rocklinux: mode change '+o blindcoder' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services. [19:04] Topic changed on #rocklinux by blindcoder!i=blindcod@gateway/tor/x-48ca0ce8788ea979: Saturday, 2nd September 2006, 16:00 CEST: ROCK Developer Phone Conference || ROCK 3 released: Crystal binary at: https://gems.rocklinux.org/release/ROCK3-crystal-r7770.iso [19:04] #rocklinux: mode change '-o blindcoder' by blindcoder!i=blindcod@gateway/tor/x-48ca0ce8788ea979 [19:07] <blindcoder> will it be surprising if I - once again - will ask for the burial of submaster? [19:08] <stf^rock1inux> alternatives? [19:11] <blindcoder> svn write access for the remaining few developers we have [19:11] <blindcoder> submaster has cost us roughly half if not more of our contributors [19:12] <blindcoder> and it makes coordinating work between two or more people so difficult that it borders on the impossible [19:15] <stf^rock1inux> I'm a bit worried about the stability of trunk, if every dev has direct commit access [19:17] <stf^rock1inux> as for coordinating work, one always has the merge problem with svn and more than one person working on the same file at the same time [19:17] <blindcoder> IIRC even submaster didn't prevent the cups problem [19:18] <blindcoder> it's not like we're _trying_ to break stuff [19:18] <blindcoder> but there are some big TODOs on my list [19:18] <blindcoder> and I imagine that I won't be able to do it on my own [19:18] <blindcoder> see the system.init thing [19:18] <blindcoder> it will mix with the initrd work and my work on a new installer [19:19] <stf^rock1inux> cups was a known problem; better testing would have helped :/ [19:19] <blindcoder> if I have to wait for patches to be applied for a few days [19:19] <blindcoder> it will slow down my work [19:19] <blindcoder> If I apply them thinking 'they will be applied anyway' and they will not, I have wasted time [19:19] <blindcoder> and merging them with a new patch will be quite a hassle, too [19:20] <blindcoder> since my changes will overlap with other changes from that patch [19:22] <stf^rock1inux> I'd prefer more devs write access via submaster [19:23] <stf^rock1inux> submaster has some advantages over svn imo [19:25] <blindcoder> it would if the people with write access would be more present [19:25] <blindcoder> clifford is gone [19:25] <blindcoder> fake is busy with work [19:25] <blindcoder> and th... well, he is available upon request at least [19:27] <stf^rock1inux> hm, how will I be able to join the phone conference on saturday? [19:28] <blindcoder> got skype? [19:28] <stf^rock1inux> lol [19:28] <blindcoder> ? [19:29] <stf^rock1inux> I added a skype package a while ago and later decided to remove it again [19:29] <stf^rock1inux> basically because it's proprietary and closed source [19:30] <stf^rock1inux> but I can install it again :) [19:30] <blindcoder> that'd be great [19:30] <blindcoder> I run skype here [19:31] <stf^rock1inux> that tells me you use an x86 :D [19:31] <blindcoder> surprise, surprise :P [19:37] <stf^rock1inux> btw. please adapt the init scripts if necessary [19:37] <stf^rock1inux> I have only tested them with my simple partition layout [19:38] <blindcoder> I will test them once I have a build again [19:38] <stf^rock1inux> no lvm, net mounts, etc. [19:38] <blindcoder> I have neither of those, thoo [19:38] <blindcoder> too [19:38] <blindcoder> there's no way to easily create LVMs (new installer, nudge, wink) [19:39] <blindcoder> and I don't want to reinstall my laptop :( [19:39] <stf^rock1inux> at least one can stop/start udev eg. for single user mode with the new scripts... [19:39] <blindcoder> yeah, that's a good thing [19:40] <stf^rock1inux> and one can use devfsd (for 2.4 kernels) and udev (for 2.6) without changing the configuration in stone [19:41] <blindcoder> just by adapting the runlevel config? [19:41] <stf^rock1inux> both devfsd and udev are init scripts now, and enabled by default [19:42] <stf^rock1inux> devfsd is only used for 2.4 kernels and udev only for 2.6 [19:42] <blindcoder> nice [19:42] <stf^rock1inux> and if neither is enabled, there's also the static-dev init script [19:43] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: there's a script in /usr/src/linux/ to populate a static /dev/ directory [19:43] <blindcoder> stf^rock1inux: maybe we should use that? [19:44] <stf^rock1inux> the basic files in /dev are already installed with 00-dirtree [19:48] <blindcoder> ah, okay [19:49] <stf^rock1inux> I don't know, either install most dev files with 00-dirtree or create them on a ramfs on-the-fly, in which case they are not static anymore [19:51] <stf^rock1inux> or use a ramfs with write-back functionality :) [19:59] <blindcoder> yeah [19:59] <blindcoder> anyway, I'm off to my favorite pub now [19:59] <blindcoder> bye [20:23] <stf^rock1inux> cya [20:50] <th> hehe did i mention that the initramfs thing (which i still did not commit to submaster) already boots from lvm? [20:50] <th> since the beginning [20:51] <th> september 2nd... i'll try to attend.. will there be POTS access? [22:12] SMP (n=stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) got netsplit. [22:13] SMP (n=stefanp@vanessa.wronline.net) returned to #rocklinux. 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