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[00:28] <morfoh> hi owl :p
[00:29] <morfoh> uh! ugly mnemoc too :p
[00:29] <mnemoc> ^_^
[00:29] <mnemoc> hi morfoh 
[00:29] <morfoh> errhm ... no hallo "mutti" today ?
[00:31] <mnemoc> .oO
[00:31] <mnemoc> Hallo Opa
[00:32] <morfoh> danke mein junge :)
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[06:42] <blindcod1r> moin
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[07:57] <sm0ker> hi
[08:04] <sm0ker> i try to build rock lx crystal on a athlon64 but at == 07:51:59 =[0]=> Building base/gcc=gcc40 [4.0.3 0] it breaks with a failure about make check
[08:05] <sm0ker> !> autogen -T ../../fixincludes/check.tpl ../../fixincludes .. | !> make[1]: autogen: Command not found
[08:05] <sm0ker> whats wrong?
[08:07] <blindcoder> moin sm0ker 
[08:08] <blindcoder> sm0ker: I never heard of 'autogen' I only know 'autogen.sh'
[08:08] <blindcoder> which is usually supplied by the project
[08:08] <sm0ker> sorry but the failure is that
[08:09] <sm0ker> !> autogen -T ../../fixincludes/check.tpl ../../fixincludes ..
[08:09] <sm0ker> !> make[1]: autogen: Command not found
[08:09] <sm0ker> !> make[1]: *** [check] Error 127
[08:09] <sm0ker> !> make[1]: Leaving directory `/sources/rock-linux/src.gcc4 ..
[08:09] <blindcoder> can you provide build/*/var/adm/logs/0-gcc40.err to me?
[08:09] <sm0ker> where can i past it?
[08:09] <sm0ker> same failure with gcc4.1
[08:10] <blindcoder> https://scavenger.homeip.net/cgi-bin/upload.pl
[08:10] <sm0ker> ok one moment plz
[08:10] <sm0ker> ;)
[08:10] <blindcoder> did you change some things in ./scripts/Config?
[08:11] <sm0ker> yes
[08:11] <blindcoder> which?
[08:11] <sm0ker> i've triefd to build with uclibc, now with glibc, jailing is on...
[08:11] <sm0ker> i have to look
[08:12] <sm0ker> it's my first try with rock
[08:12] <sm0ker> ;)
[08:12] <blindcoder> I never tried jailing
[08:12] <sm0ker> Your file has been saved to data//root/0-gcc40.err";
[08:12] <blindcoder> great
[08:14] <blindcoder> hmm
[08:14] <blindcoder> seems to be a non-fatal error on gcc's side
[08:14] <blindcoder> but ROCK breaks because an error happened
[08:14] <sm0ker> also build addons is on,abort/retry on package failure is on, creat packages/checksum is on,
[08:15] <sm0ker> ...
[08:15] <blindcoder> addons will most certainly fail
[08:15] <sm0ker> ahh
[08:15] <sm0ker> ok
[08:15] <sm0ker> so i can switch it off?
[08:15] <blindcoder> you can, yes
[08:15] <sm0ker> k
[08:15] <sm0ker> thx
[08:15] <blindcoder> 1935 builds total, 597 completed fine, 10 with errors.
[08:16] <blindcoder> that's from a build with add-ons, started about a week ago
[08:16] <blindcoder> abort/retry and packages/checksums is good
[08:16] <blindcoder> ah, you activated 'make check', didn't you?
[08:16] <sm0ker> yes make check is activated
[08:17] <blindcoder> deactivate it
[08:17] <sm0ker> hmm..
[08:17] <blindcoder> it's what causes the gcc error
[08:17] <blindcoder> http://gcc.gnu.org/ml/gcc/2006-03/msg00361.html
[08:17] <sm0ker> the problem is, i've builded lfs and gentoo often and one build!! was corrupt cause i don't made make check
[08:17] <sm0ker> ok i try it
[08:17] <sm0ker> thx!!
[08:18] <blindcoder> interesting
[08:18] <blindcoder> can't say I ever experienced that
[08:18] <blindcoder> you may want to try only building gcc without make check
[08:18] <blindcoder> then reactivating it
[08:18] <blindcoder> btw, I see at your hostmask that you're from germany
[08:18] <sm0ker> how to break the whole build? strg + c?
[08:19] <sm0ker> yes i'm from germany
[08:19] <blindcoder> yes
[08:19] <blindcoder> will you be at the Linux-Info-Tag in Dresden?
[08:19] <sm0ker> i thought it's an english channel
[08:19] <sm0ker> no my last linux day was 2001
[08:19] <blindcoder> it is, but most people here speak german, too :)
[08:19] <sm0ker> ok
[08:19] <sm0ker> dann kann ich also deutsch schwatzen
[08:19] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[08:19] <sm0ker> cool
[08:19] <sm0ker> :)
[08:19] <blindcoder> klar :)
[08:19] <sm0ker> hrhr
[08:20] <sm0ker> das macht es ein wenig einfacher
[08:20] <blindcoder> ich dachte, ich koennte dich fuer den ROCK Linux Workshop dort begeistern :)
[08:20] <sm0ker> ui
[08:20] <sm0ker> muss mir das ja erstmal anschauen...
[08:20] <sm0ker> :)
[08:20] <blindcoder> jo
[08:20] <sm0ker> habe da gleich noch ne frage
[08:20] <blindcoder> schiess los
[08:20] <sm0ker> nen pures 64 bit, kann man das inzwischen auf uclibc vbauen?
[08:21] <sm0ker> hatte des mal mit gentoo versucht und nach tagen des bauens festgestellt dass es garnet geht
[08:21] <blindcoder> wir haben leider unseren uclibc maintainer verloren
[08:21] <blindcoder> also vermutlich: nein
[08:21] <sm0ker> :(
[08:21] <sm0ker> mist
[08:22] <sm0ker> hab die uclibc leider noch nie bei einem build einsetzen koennen
[08:22] <blindcoder> ich hab sie bei Nethack Linux mal verwendet
[08:22] <sm0ker> weil bei lfs ist sie auch unstable/testing und gentoo ging garnet
[08:22] <blindcoder> aber darueber hinaus auch keine Erfahrung
[08:22] <sm0ker> ok
[08:22] <sm0ker> so build rennt wieder...
[08:22] <sm0ker> :)
[08:23] <sm0ker> mal gucken obs nun geht
[08:23] <blindcoder> gut, halt uns auf dem Laufenden :)
[08:23] <sm0ker> aber wie gesagt das mit make chack habe ich mir irgendwann angewoehnt
[08:23] <sm0ker> hehe
[08:23] <blindcoder> kann sein, dass hier mal laengere Antwortzeiten herrschen
[08:23] <sm0ker> ok!
[08:23] <sm0ker> kein them
[08:23] <sm0ker> a
[08:23] <blindcoder> apropos antwortzeiten
[08:23] <blindcoder> ich hol mir mal eben nen kaffee
[08:23] <sm0ker> lol
[08:24] <sm0ker> wollt eigentlich nochmal ins bett, aber ich werd mir dann wohl auch mal einen brauen
[08:26] <sm0ker> wenn die addons ja eh fehler machen, wieso sind sie dann als option in dem 'config' script?
[08:28] <sm0ker> und warum ist kein support fuer ccache drinne? des waere doch auch sehr praktisch, wenn ein build abbricht hast das was schon 'gestimmt' hat im cache
[08:29] <sm0ker> blindcoder musst du den kaffee erst noch kaufen ;-)
[08:29] <blindcoder> folgendes:
[08:29] <blindcoder> Crystal ist ein fester Paketsatz
[08:29] <blindcoder> ccache support ist drin
[08:29] <blindcoder> dieser Paketsatz ist durch das CORE Flag in den .desc files bestimmt
[08:29] <blindcoder> nein, aber zur Maschine laufen, die ist am Ende des Ganges
[08:29] <sm0ker> ahso! wusste ich net sorry
[08:29] <sm0ker> am anede des ganges? lebst du in einem keller? ;)
[08:30] <blindcoder> also Schluessel bei Teamassistentin holen, Maschine entsperren, kaffee holen (3 Tassen, Thinkgeek Thermotasse), schluessel zurueckbringen
[08:30] <blindcoder> wir haben hier im haus zwei Dallmayr Automaten
[08:30] <sm0ker> ahso
[08:30] <blindcoder> fuer aussenstehende kostet der Kaffee
[08:30] <blindcoder> Mitarbeiter kriegen den Schluessel fuer kostenlosen Kaffee :)
[08:30] <sm0ker> hehe, wie die schlisser im knast, schluessel holen, schlissen, schluessel abgeben ;)
[08:31] <sm0ker> lol
[08:31] <blindcoder> hehe, ja :)
[08:31] <sm0ker> wo arbeitest du wenn ich fragen darf?
[08:31] <blindcoder> nennt sich Grosskonzern
[08:31] <sm0ker> ahso
[08:31] <blindcoder> Siemens COM, also bald Nokia-Siemens Networks
[08:31] <sm0ker> und nebenbei kannst du hier hilfe stellung fuer rock linux geben...
[08:31] <sm0ker> des rockt ja
[08:32] <sm0ker> :)
[08:32] <blindcoder> hehe, ja :)
[08:32] Action: sm0ker leider keinen job hat
[08:32] <blindcoder> momentan wurschteln meine Anlagen alleine vor sich hin
[08:32] <blindcoder> aber nur bis der Kaffee alle ist :(
[08:32] <sm0ker> :(
[08:32] <blindcoder> also, zurueck zu den addons :)
[08:33] <blindcoder> diese CORE Pakete definieren Crystal, und wir - das ROCK Linux Team - garantieren dafuer, dass diese Pakete funktionieren
[08:33] <blindcoder> fuer alle nicht-CORE Pakete (Add-On Pakete) tun wir das nicht
[08:33] <blindcoder> daher ist es deaktiviert
[08:34] <sm0ker> verstehe
[08:34] <blindcoder> siehe http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Basic_Packages fuer Definition von CORE Paketen
[08:34] <blindcoder> und http://www.rocklinux.org/wiki/Third_Party_Software fuer AddOn Pakete
[08:35] <sm0ker> ok
[08:35] <sm0ker> was zu lesen!
[08:35] <sm0ker> :)
[08:39] <blindcoder> so, kaffee alle
[08:39] <blindcoder> muss dann mal ran, bin aber unregelmaessig mal hier
[08:39] <blindcoder> bis denn, und viel erolg!
[08:40] <sm0ker> ok und danke
[08:40] <sm0ker> bis dann
[08:52] <sm0ker> hmm..
[08:52] <sm0ker> glibc mag net builden. habe make check aus und trotzdem net...
[08:53] <sm0ker> -> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-glibc23.out | !> (.text+0xb506): undefined reference to `__stack_chk_fail' | !> collect2: ld returned 1 exit status | !> make[2]: *** [/sources/rock-linux/src.glibc23.1157438397 ..
[08:54] <sm0ker> koennte es sein, dass ich nicht auf einem 64 bit host bauen sollte, oder baut er einen eigenen tool chain?
[08:59] <sm0ker> wenn ich ueber die bash cflags gesetzt habe, setzt das 'build script' die dann wieder zurueck?
[09:18] <sm0ker> bbl
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[11:04] <blindcoder> re
[11:07] <daja> wb
[11:11] <blindcoder> moin daja 
[11:14] <blindcoder> feeling more sober today? :)
[11:14] <daja> hehe sure
[11:42] <owl> moin
[11:59] <blindcoder> moin moin owl
[12:00] <owl> hi blindy
[12:21] <blindcoder> hmm
[12:21] <blindcoder> do we dump cdrtools in favor of 'debburn'?
[12:21] <blindcoder> I'd like to do it if only because I don't like schilling :D
[12:22] <daja> lol i just thought about that
[12:22] <daja> and was about to ask you ^^
[12:22] <blindcoder> hehe
[12:23] <blindcoder> I guess there's no harm in having both packages, but I'd prefer debburn to be CORE instead of cdrtools
[12:23] <daja> yes but only if this fork doesn't die after 2 weeks like the last one
[12:23] <daja> ones*
[12:23] <blindcoder> yeah
[12:23] <blindcoder> so it remains to be seen
[12:23] <daja> exactly
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[12:24] <daja> this is completely stupid to switch to that sun license
[12:25] <blindcoder> well, not if you consider schillings point of view
[12:25] <blindcoder> he's been immerged in SUN/Solaris/OpenSolaris affairs for years
[12:25] <blindcoder> so - politically - it's absolutely necessary for him to switch his stuff to the CDDL
[12:25] <daja> which did some harm obviously
[12:26] <daja> who needs open solaris anyway?
[12:26] <blindcoder> yeah, the usual my-license-is-better-than-your-license discussion
[12:26] <blindcoder> (who needs solaris?)
[12:26] <daja> my point :)
[12:26] <blindcoder> btw: 1935 builds total, 602 completed fine, 10 with errors.
[12:26] <blindcoder> Crystal+non-CORE
[12:27] <blindcoder> bdb44, postfix, openldap, apache, dbus-glib, hal, php5, libnfsidmap, nfs-utils and subversion failed
[12:27] <daja> hm
[12:27] <daja> brb
[12:27] <blindcoder> apache depends on openldap
[12:27] <blindcoder> php5 depends on apache
[12:28] <blindcoder> openldap depends on bdb
[12:28] <blindcoder> and bdb44 fails due to the symlink problem stf^rocklinux reported a while back
[12:29] <blindcoder> dbus-glib fails due to doxygen missing
[12:29] <blindcoder> hal depends on dbus-glib
[12:29] <blindcoder> libnfsidmap depends on openldap
[12:30] <blindcoder> nfs-utils depends on openldap
[12:30] <blindcoder> postfix depends on bdb
[12:30] <blindcoder> subversion depends on apache
[12:31] <blindcoder> so it's two broken packages:
[12:31] <blindcoder> dbus-glib/missing doxygen ([P] problem probably)
[12:31] <blindcoder> and bdb
[12:32] <mnemoc> hi, OT but ugly question.... why does RR owns ROCK at freshmeat? can't that be solved or no interest?
[12:33] <blindcoder> probably because he's the one who registered it there
[12:33] <blindcoder> I'll take care of it
[12:34] <blindcoder> hmm, ripclaw is also owner
[12:34] <blindcoder> I'll ask him next time he's around here
[12:35] <mnemoc> ok :)
[12:42] <blindcoder> damn... three hours to build thunderbird
[12:43] <blindcoder> it's a god-damn mail client!
[12:51] Action: mnemoc prefers 'claws'
[12:52] <blindcoder> mutt here
[12:52] <th> dito
[12:53] <blindcoder> moin th
[12:53] <th> hi blindcoder 
[12:53] <mnemoc> that's not fare, i was talking about graphic clients :)
[12:53] <th> mnemoc: it runs with xterm
[12:53] <th> mnemoc: which uses fonts
[12:53] <blindcoder> mnemoc: heh. I was using mozilla for a while but it's just uncomfortable
[12:53] <th> that's graphics
[12:53] <mnemoc> urxvt ,-)
[12:54] <blindcoder> ctrl+click click click, drag to spam folder, click file->clean up folders to actually delete
[12:54] <th> blindcoder: you let spam come to your box?
[12:54] <blindcoder> instead of: ttt;s=IN.spam<cr>
[12:54] <blindcoder> th: sometimes they come through, yes
[12:54] <blindcoder> th: also, vger.kernel.org is a spam-pest
[12:55] <blindcoder> everyone can post to the lists there, even unsubscribed people
[12:55] <blindcoder> go figure
[12:56] <mnemoc> they do that to be 'cross-list' friendly :\
[12:56] <blindcoder> th: could you apply 2006083012102918117 and 2006082912163718798, please?
[12:57] <blindcoder> mnemoc: well, on linux-raid and linux-ide it's about 10:1 SNR
[13:02] <th> php is core
[13:02] <blindcoder> and nothing is changing in the package itself
[13:02] <blindcoder> just adding checksums and an explanation why an option is missing
[13:02] <blindcoder> instead of silently dropping it
[13:03] <th> i see
[13:03] <th> true
[13:04] <th> done
[13:04] <blindcoder> thanks :-)
[13:05] <th> any time
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[18:12] <blindcoder> hmm
[18:12] <blindcoder> funny how packages start to break in stage 9
[18:15] <blindcoder> oh
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