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[00:46] <mnemoc> daja77: hi, the update of libode is borked, the [V] points to the real 0.7 but the [D] to a non-existant 0.7-rc1.tbz2, and only 0.7.zip it is there
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[06:41] <blindcod1r> moin
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[10:04] <clifford> hi, any mailman experts here?
[10:07] Action: blindcoder == minimalist user
[10:07] <blindcoder> moin clifford, btw
[10:09] <blindcoder> shawn_work: got some source for that?
[10:11] <clifford> we have lost the 'config.db' files for all lists (propably because the out-of-diskspace problems)
[10:11] <blindcoder> what's in that file?
[10:11] <blindcoder> members?
[10:13] <clifford> no. I can list the members for all lists using the command line tools and the web interface.
[10:14] <blindcoder> clifford: http://mail.python.org/pipermail/mailman-users/2003-February/026050.html
[10:15] <blindcoder> if you are using mailman 2.1a3 and beyond, the config.db file seems to be unnecessary
[10:15] <clifford> that's a thought that I also just had.
[10:16] <clifford> in that case I have no idea whats wrong with our mailman  ;-(
[10:17] <clifford> oh! at least I can see now what's wrong with my testcase..  ;-)
[10:17] <blindcoder> if you can get the member lists we could simply move to minimalist :)
[10:20] <clifford> no. have you tried minimalist already with high-traffic mailing list with a few hundret members?
[10:20] <clifford> we've been using minimalist for a long time - it was a desaster.
[10:21] <blindcoder> okay
[10:21] <blindcoder> I'm only using it on a low-volume, 50 member list
[10:30] Action: netrunner wishes a good morning and states he is a happy user of mlmmj
[10:31] <blindcoder> moin netrunner 
[10:35] <clifford> ok - this might take a while now..
[10:35] Action: clifford just restarted the mailman deamons
[10:37] <blindcoder> how long  can that take?
[10:39] <clifford> im getting the bounces from Sep 05 now. I don't know if it is processing the queues list by list or paralell, bounces before messages or both at the same time, etc...
[10:39] <clifford> it will pretty sure take some time.
[10:39] <esden> hi clifford 
[10:39] <esden> moin everybody else ;)
[10:39] <blindcoder> bounces from _sep_ _05_?
[10:39] <blindcoder> that's a _Year_ ago
[10:39] <blindcoder> moin esden 
[10:40] <esden> but ... yes ... also a good mornig to you too clifford 
[10:40] <esden> that was some kind of a strange expression wiredness ... i think ...
[10:40] <esden> has anyone good sources of the X11 protocol specification?
[10:41] <esden> x.org? is that the place to look?
[10:42] <blindcoder> probably
[10:43] <blindcoder> want to write an x server? :)
[10:43] <esden> blindcoder: yes
[10:43] <blindcoder> err.. okay... hav fun then
[10:43] <esden> hehe
[10:43] <esden> I will
[10:44] <blindcoder> I'll be over there... *vanish*
[10:44] <esden> o_O'
[10:44] <esden> what ... and why it happened?
[10:45] <blindcoder> ?
[10:45] <esden> blindcoder: why do you seem to be scared?
[10:46] <blindcoder> I'm scared of big things
[10:47] <esden> ach ... x servers are overrated ;)
[10:48] <blindcoder> yes, yes indeed
[10:48] <esden> I am not writing 100 graphics drivers ... I use opengl ... that should bring the complexity down
[10:48] <blindcoder> but I have yet to find a good aalib enabled video player with readable subtitle support
[10:48] <blindcoder> ooooh, opengl
[10:48] <blindcoder> and you'll probably use a code generator to create 90% of the work from a mindmap
[10:49] <blindcoder> you'll just have to fill in the remaining 10%
[10:49] <esden> I use lisp ... so ... yes
[10:49] Action: blindcoder vanishes again
[10:50] <esden> lol
[10:51] <esden> you read my blog ... so you know that i played around with cl-opengl ;)
[10:51] <blindcoder> *nod*
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[12:23] <blindcoder> OOOH
[12:23] <blindcoder> rocksm, rocksvn and rockuser mail!
[12:41] <th> true!
[12:43] #rocklinux: mode change '+o blindcoder' by ChanServ!ChanServ@services.
[12:43] Topic changed on #rocklinux by blindcoder!i=blindcod@tor/regular/blindcoder: ROCK Workshop in Dresden: http://linuxinfotag.de/86/detail/98 || Mailinglists seem to work sporadically again - stay tuned for more information! || ROCK 3 released: Crystal binary at: http://gems.rocklinux.org/release/ROCK3-crystal-r7770.iso
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[13:00] <owl> moin
[13:01] <blindcoder> moin moimn owl
[13:46] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:46] <blindcoder> anyone know why my atd only runs root-owned jobs?
[13:48] <mnemoc> blindcoder: drop atd and use bcron ,-)
[13:49] <blindcoder> :P
[13:50] <blindcoder> File a000070126a9ff is in wrong format - aborting
[13:50] <blindcoder> o_O
[13:51] <mnemoc> blindcoder: OT: the file at libode updates a few days ago doesn't exist upstream anylonger (or on the mirrors) and it doesn't even match the [V] :p
[13:52] <blindcoder> mnemoc: eww
[13:52] <daja77> mnemoc: ah right you already told us ^^
[13:53] <mnemoc> daja77: hi! ... sorry i thought you have not read it :p
[13:53] <mnemoc> sorry for the dupe :(
[13:53] <daja77> well perhaps i should update to 0.7
[13:54] <daja77> mnemoc: you are using rock?
[13:54] <mnemoc> that was my goal :p
[13:54] <mnemoc> not really
[13:54] <mnemoc> but i still have an automatic mirror screaming to my mailbox each 2h :p
[13:55] <daja77> ic
[13:56] <blindcoder> AAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[13:56] <blindcoder> if (fscanf(stream, "#!/bin/sh\n# atrun uid=%d gid=%d\n# mail %8s %d", ...
[13:56] <blindcoder> my login name is 10 characters...
[13:56] <mnemoc> :D
[13:57] <blindcoder> besides, at 3.1.7 is a few years old
[13:57] <blindcoder> there really should be a newer version
[13:58] <blindcoder> at least I found a 3.1.8 patch from 2003
[13:59] <mnemoc> what does debian have? they always takeover 'old packages'
[13:59] <daja77> mnemoc: btw i don't have an rc version of it here
[14:00] <daja77> but they changed to zip -.-
[14:01] <blindcoder> mnemoc: seems like the debian package now is the 'upstream' version
[14:02] <daja77> huh? the scripts can't handle zipfiles?
[14:03] <mnemoc> daja77: the last i see is r7903, ode-src-0.7-rc1.tbz2 .... is http://www.rocklinux.net/svn/rock-linux/trunk right?
[14:03] <blindcoder> daja77: indeed they can't
[14:04] <daja77> mnemoc: interesting
[14:04] Action: blindcoder updating at to 3.1.8 11
[14:05] <mnemoc> for zip $here i have a $customextract variable which can be defined by the package, and if it's empty one based on the filename is assigned.
[14:06] <daja77> ok i'll postpone the libode thing ..
[14:06] <blindcoder> we could just include .zip handling
[15:13] <blindcoder> !alarm now + 5 minutes "Call Manfred"
[15:13] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: job 31 at 2006-09-19 15:15
[15:18] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: Call Manfred
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[16:58] <shawn_work> blindcoder: pong?
[16:58] <shawn_work> <blindcoder> shawn_work: got some source for that? <--?
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[18:02] <clifford> jfyi: phoenix is pretty busy sending mails since today morning:
[18:03] <clifford> load average: 21.70, 91.78, 75.38
[18:03] <daja77> i noticed in my inbox ^^
[18:03] <clifford> atm ~2000 processes.
[18:03] <daja77> clifford: are you goin to luga tomorrow?
[18:04] <clifford> don't think so.
[18:04] <daja77> thought so
[18:04] <clifford> are you brave enought to go alone? ;-)
[18:04] <daja77> dunno ^^
[18:04] <daja77> depends on my mood ..
[18:04] <clifford> ic.
[18:05] <daja77> do you know if i can enter it?
[18:05] <clifford> where is it this time? hopfenstange or the other location?
[18:05] <blindcoder> shawn_work: 23:13 < shawn_work> Are you aware that the word 'Rocks' is about to be trademarked?
[18:06] <daja77> clifford: kaiserwalzer
[18:06] <blindcoder> clifford: how long do you think phoenix will hold up now?
[18:06] <shawn_work> blindcoder: yes
[18:06] <shawn_work> see Rocks License:
[18:06] <clifford> daja77: in that case it should be no problem if I remember correctly
[18:07] <shawn_work> # 
[18:07] <shawn_work> # 4. Neither the name or logo of this software nor the names of its
[18:07] <shawn_work> # authors may be used to endorse or promote products derived from this
[18:07] <shawn_work> # software without specific prior written permission.  The name of the
[18:07] <shawn_work> # software includes the following terms, and any derivatives thereof:
[18:07] <shawn_work> # "Rocks", "Rocks Clusters", and "Avalanche Installer
[18:07] <shawn_work> they plan on trademarking Rocks
[18:07] <clifford> blindcoder: well - we will switch to the new phoenix some time the next days.
[18:07] <shawn_work> they use an obnoxious BSD license
[18:07] <clifford> there we have about ~100G free diskspace.
[18:07] <blindcoder> clifford: great!
[18:08] <blindcoder> clifford: what was filling up the disk, anyway?
[18:08] <blindcoder> shawn_work: yeah, got a link for that trademarking intention?
[18:08] <clifford> well - there is a lot of stuff on the server.
[18:08] <shawn_work> blindcoder: I don't have that info yet, but they are trying to get the trademark
[18:09] <daja77> rocklinux is not derived from any sw called rocks ..
[18:09] <blindcoder> shawn_work: where did you learn this/
[18:09] <clifford> i'veinvestigated it a bit the last days and it is nothing special.
[18:09] <clifford> but lurker needs about 400MB for its temporary html files.
[18:09] <blindcoder> clifford: eww
[18:09] <shawn_work> blindcoder: well, I work on a open source fork of NPACI Rocks
[18:09] <clifford> so when lurker has just purged his files it is not a solution to free up less than 400MB..
[18:09] <blindcoder> shawn_work: ah, I see
[18:10] <shawn_work> and they have clear intentions on trademarking 'Rocks'
[18:10] <shawn_work> hence the license blurb
[18:10] <clifford> right now we have ~900M free on current phoenix.
[18:10] <shawn_work> blindcoder: knowing about ROCK Linux, i thought I'd just mention that incase they went after you guys 
[18:10] <blindcoder> clifford: in a few days a 20 GB and a 120 GB will be free here
[18:11] <blindcoder> clifford: would they be of any use to you in (old|new) phoenix?
[18:11] <blindcoder> shawn_work: thanks for letting us know. I'll look into whether this will affect us
[18:11] <clifford> new phoenix is a root server - so no chance to add additional disks there.
[18:11] <blindcoder> shawn_work: drop by my place for a beer when you're in Berlin :)
[18:12] <blindcoder> clifford: too bad
[18:12] <clifford> but on new phoenix we have two 160GB disks and additional backup space.
[18:12] <blindcoder> sweet
[18:12] <clifford> the plan for now is to use the 2nd disk for backups.
[18:12] <blindcoder> sound like hetzner?
[18:12] <clifford> yes - hetzner.
[18:12] <blindcoder> pallas is also over there
[18:13] <clifford> we can later rent for network backup space and use the 2nd 160 GB disk for data.
[18:13] <blindcoder> that means traffic between phoenix and pallas will be free :)
[18:13] <clifford> *nice*
[18:13] <blindcoder> though pallas only has a 120 gb disk
[18:14] <clifford> hehe my root server is better ;-)
[18:15] <blindcoder> yeah, I already have mine for quite some time, too
[18:15] <blindcoder> blindcoder@pallas:~$ cat /etc/ROCK-VERSION
[18:15] <blindcoder> ROCK Linux 2.0.3 (2004/11/15)
[18:15] <daja77> .oO (my root server is longer than yours)
[18:15] <blindcoder> blindcoder@pallas:~$ uname -r
[18:15] <blindcoder> 2.6.10-rock
[18:16] <blindcoder> it runs on devfs :-)
[18:16] <clifford> old phoenix is a 2.0.0-rc4
[18:16] <blindcoder> I'm still not sure whether to rent a new one and kill pallas or update pallas from a rescue system
[18:16] <blindcoder> devfs to udev updating is not for the faint of heart
[18:17] <daja77> rc4 was quite nice
[18:18] <blindcoder> Error logs from default-TRUNK-x86-crystal-expert:
[18:18] <blindcoder> 622 builds total, 620 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[18:18] <blindcoder> this is looking good :D
[18:22] <clifford> afk again..
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[18:53] <blindcoder> damn, there's still something not-quite-right with kdelibs and the kde-config wrapper
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