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[07:53] Nick change: blindcod1r -> blindcoder [08:04] netrunner (n=andreas@anvame.net) joined #rocklinux. [08:17] <stf^rocklinux> moin [08:24] <netrunner> moin, 2 [08:52] <blindcoder> moin moin [10:07] kensai (n=kensai@206.248.97.14) left irc: "Leaving" [11:40] <th> linux26 package fails if no mkinitrd is found. can we somehow introduce an option so that it is possible to not have mkinitrd run? [12:01] <blindcoder> th: pkgcheck rockinitrd? [12:49] <th> so this would make initrd and irfs mutual exclusive [12:49] <th> hmmm [12:50] <th> ah ok well. not necessarily [12:50] <th> but somewhat [12:51] <th> + choice ROCKCFG_PKG_LINUX_FIRSTSTAGE initrd \ [12:51] <th> + none 'Do not perform any creation of early stage images' \ [12:51] <th> + initrd 'Use mkinitrd to create an early stage initrd' \ [12:51] <th> + ramfs 'Use mkinitramfs to create an early stage cpio (EXPERIMENTAL)' [12:51] <th> how about this one? [12:51] <th> in package/base/linux/config-500.in [12:52] <blindcoder> sounds fine [12:52] <th> okay [12:52] <netrunner> what means earlystages? why not just skip it? [12:54] <blindcoder> netrunner: initial ramdisk? initial ramfs? every heard? [12:55] <blindcoder> netrunner: for stuff like root-on-raid and such [13:07] <th> netrunner: you cant skip it if you do more sophisticated things than just boot from /dev/[sh]d[abc...] [13:13] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:13] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [14:10] <netrunner> blindcoder: I know what is a ramdisk. but what means early stage? like stage <3? [14:11] <netrunner> i.e. build stage? [14:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: no, not ROCK stage [14:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: boot stage [14:12] <blindcoder> netrunner: bootloader -> kernel -> early boot stage (initrd/initramfs) -> real root -> init [14:16] <netrunner> so what is the late boot stage? [14:16] <th> the one running init [14:17] <netrunner> aha. [14:17] <th> handling runlevels and such [14:17] <netrunner> does initrd break swsusp btw? [14:17] <th> propably [14:17] <th> but i dont know much aboutit [14:18] <th> it would be good to trigger sw-unsuspend by userland [14:18] <th> so it's possible to do so in early stage [14:18] <netrunner> I just noticed that on my old x40, whith the ide driver on the initrd, he never resumes from hibernation. [14:19] <blindcoder> IIRC swsusp is handled by kernel parameters (resume at least) [14:19] <th> yes [14:19] <blindcoder> so unless you do funny things to your swap, you should be fine [14:19] <th> well [14:19] <th> swap on lvm [14:20] <blindcoder> kernelexec? [14:20] <blindcoder> or kexec it's called I think [14:21] <th> well and how does the lvm-swap become real swap in the new kernel? [14:24] <netrunner> blindcoder: the kernel resumes from the swap on hdd on ide. so it needs to know how to talk to ide. if that is a module on initrd ... [14:25] <th> netrunner: swsusp only works from ide??? [14:26] <th> or from scsi as well? [14:26] <netrunner> th: no. but the kernel needs the driver [14:26] <th> ok [14:26] <th> so as soon as you need some userland-initialization to get your swap.. your hosed [14:26] <netrunner> th: e.g. swap on lvm [14:26] <th> jupp [14:27] <th> can i have some comments on the subversion-static removal proposal mail? [14:30] Action: netrunner agrees [14:30] <netrunner> :) [14:36] <blindcoder> th: that's why I talk about kexec [14:36] <blindcoder> th: I don't know how good it is [14:37] <blindcoder> th: but it might be worth a look [14:37] Action: netrunner finds kexec also interesting [17:03] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) joined #rocklinux. [17:03] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [17:04] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) joined #rocklinux. [17:05] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) left irc: Client Quit [17:06] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) joined #rocklinux. [17:07] <Pilot> hello, ppl [17:21] <blindcoder> moin Pilot [17:21] <blindcoder> Pilot: how're the japs? [17:23] <Pilot> well [17:24] <Pilot> i am busy all the time here [17:27] ripclaw_ (i=DE43741@nat/ibm/x-a74e42e606e5b391) joined #rocklinux. [17:28] <ripclaw_> ehlo [17:28] <ripclaw_> since a number of people are already in #23c3 - anyone in to registering a project for rocklinux at 23c3 ? [17:29] <daja77> i thought there is no registration this year [17:30] <blindcoder> moin moin ripclaw_ [17:30] <blindcoder> Pilot: good busy? [17:30] <blindcoder> Pilot: or "I want to go on a rampage and kill some idiots"-busy? [17:30] <blindcoder> ripclaw_: there's no hackcenter registration this year [17:30] Nick change: ripclaw_ -> ripclaw [17:30] <ripclaw> oh, didnt know [17:30] <ripclaw> was just thinking about "as usual: register ahead"... [17:30] <blindcoder> first come, be lucky and be first served [17:31] <ripclaw> ok. will bring hardware for sparc compile. [17:31] <ripclaw> any idea which of the mirrors work again ? [17:31] <blindcoder> I wonder who of us will be at 23C3 anyway [17:32] <ripclaw> <<-- 23c3 [17:32] <ripclaw> i`ll be there 26-29 [17:32] <blindcoder> I'll be there 27-30 [17:33] <ripclaw> if it is desired, i can take over some organisational stuff again, as from the 16c3-20c3 times. [17:34] <daja77> well there were lots of non rock ppl at our place anyway [17:34] <ripclaw> i assume that after 31.12. i`ll hopefully will be able to do regular stuff again. [17:34] <daja77> and to be honest i don't want to pay that much for sitting around there in the cellars [17:35] <blindcoder> hmm, how much is there to organise? [17:35] <blindcoder> be there, be lucky? [17:35] <daja77> blindcoder: hehe :) [17:35] <ripclaw> me neither - i want to go to some of the talks, maybe have food with some of you folks, etc. [17:35] <ripclaw> or work on some hardware related stuff in rock [17:35] <ripclaw> (don`t get to do that a lot lately, i`ll need to take a day off for that) [17:39] <Pilot> blindcoder, both ways [17:39] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) left irc: Remote closed the connection [17:40] <blindcoder> well, I'll probably be offline for a few days next week [17:40] <ripclaw> damn... tm won... he`s #135, mine is #270 [17:40] <blindcoder> I hope to be able to work on the new installer during that time [17:40] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) joined #rocklinux. [17:40] <blindcoder> tm? [17:41] <ripclaw> some guy from my last contract. [17:41] <blindcoder> hmm [17:41] <blindcoder> I don't get what you mean [17:41] <ripclaw> www.top500.org - he won the contest for who`s grid is faster [17:41] <blindcoder> ah [17:43] <ripclaw> also i plan to take the big box online during 23c3 - if we get the power-company ok to take it online. [17:44] <ripclaw> in that case we may use 64cpu for the sparc compile. [17:44] <blindcoder> let me put it carefully [17:44] <ripclaw> but i`ll have to set up a local pkg mirror for rock in the datacenter# [17:44] <blindcoder> sparc64 has not been done in years [17:44] <ripclaw> i know that [17:45] <blindcoder> just wanted to make sure [17:45] <ripclaw> frankly i really expect it to break, thats why i plan to have a _bunch_ of CPUS... [17:45] <ripclaw> otherwise i`ld just take along a ultra5 [17:45] <blindcoder> hmm [17:45] <ripclaw> plus it isn`t portable, at 860kg [17:45] <blindcoder> you also know that we don't use multiple CPUs for one package? [17:46] <blindcoder> but rather n CPUs for n packages? [17:46] <ripclaw> i can have up to 16 distinct machines at 4 cpu each in the box. [17:46] <ripclaw> its like a bunch of VMwares in hardware which i can configure at will [17:47] <blindcoder> yeah, I'm also a bit familiar with the whole architecture [17:47] <blindcoder> but in stages 0-2 it won't matter if you have one CPU or 100 CPUs [17:47] <ripclaw> there are 2 e10k two 450 a bunch of 240s and such avialable. [17:48] <ripclaw> yes, but ram helps with ramdisks. we can run a 16g ramdisk nfs e.g. [17:48] <ripclaw> this will definitely speed up 0-2 [17:49] <blindcoder> there have never been 'scientific' measurements wrt. ramdisk usage for compiling [17:49] <blindcoder> I'm sure it'll help, though :) [17:49] <ripclaw> read/write from ram is faster than from disk. with a bit planing i can have gbit fibre network in ther [17:50] <blindcoder> sweet ^^ [17:50] <ripclaw> i collected a bunch of sick hardware and i plan to use it... [17:50] <ripclaw> > 1 Tflop is not a nice thing to waste [17:51] Action: blindcoder nods sagely [17:51] <ripclaw> plus in case we only use one cpu - its the 8meg mirrored cache 400mhz ones, backbone speed in the box is 40,92gb/s max [17:52] <ripclaw> should be a definite up from a single box. [17:52] <blindcoder> that reminds me [17:52] <blindcoder> I have to bring down a few 8x0 and blades next week [17:52] <blindcoder> blade 150s, that is [17:52] <ripclaw> (thats point to point backbone speed from any cpu to any other unit in there, except outgoing connect [17:52] <ripclaw> bring down ? [17:53] <ripclaw> i have a 150, too. but at 500 its not a big advantage over a big iron... [17:53] <ripclaw> 8x0 ? [17:56] <blindcoder> customer ordered a system for evaluation [17:56] <blindcoder> now they don't want it because it's 'too complex' [17:56] <blindcoder> just five racks [17:56] <blindcoder> 880s IIRc [17:57] <ripclaw> cool. free for take ? [17:59] <blindcoder> no, will probably be reused for another customer [17:59] <blindcoder> 'repurposed' as they say [18:00] <ripclaw> oh... what a pity :) could use some ;) [18:01] <blindcoder> heh, get back in line. Yes back there. behind the other 12,438 people in this queue. [18:01] <ripclaw> hehe... i have good arguments :) [18:03] <ripclaw> any idea to have a multi-dimensional array in shell ? define -a won`t cut in bash. [18:03] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [18:03] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [18:04] <ripclaw> uargs... der logbot is wieder da... [18:05] <blindcoder> eww, never did arrays in shell [18:05] <blindcoder> joar, der ist schon seit ner ganzen weile da [18:05] <blindcoder> gibt sogar zwei davon [18:05] <blindcoder> rockbot und rocklogbot [18:05] <ripclaw> :-P [18:06] <blindcoder> rockbot ist aber nicht meiner [18:07] <blindcoder> und nein, kicken hilft nichts, der kommt in fuenf minuten wieder [18:09] <ripclaw> :-) [18:10] <ripclaw> register kickbot :D [18:11] <blindcoder> heeh [18:11] <blindcoder> well, the rocklogbot logs are nonpublic as of now [18:11] <blindcoder> the rockbot logs are on www.rl.net [18:13] <daja77> this chan has been logged for ages, so what [18:17] <ripclaw> i know - and i never liked the fact :) [18:22] <ripclaw> ok folks, gotta go... [18:22] <ripclaw> cya [18:23] ripclaw (i=DE43741@nat/ibm/x-a74e42e606e5b391) left irc: "TinyIRC 1.1" [18:41] Pilot (n=pilot@s52.GtokyoFL6.vectant.ne.jp) left irc: "Leaving" [19:04] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [19:04] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:37] Demian (n=demian@201.206.44.210) joined #rocklinux. [19:37] <Demian> hi [19:38] <blindcoder> moin Demian [20:23] <stf^rocklinux> th: I'm fine with removing subversion-static, as I've never needed it. But you may want to ask Clifford as well, he added the package iirc. [20:25] <th> daja77: 2006112114050583380 is applied and no longer open, correct? it's still open in smng [20:34] <th> checking for LIBASSUAN - version >= 0.9.3... yes [20:34] <th> checking LIBASSUAN API version... okay [20:34] <th> checking for libassuan-config... (cached) /usr/bin/libassuan-config [20:34] <th> checking for LIBASSUAN pth - version >= 0.9.3... no [20:34] <th> that's fatal for gnupg2 [20:36] kensai (n=kensai@206.248.97.14) joined #rocklinux. [20:50] <daja77> th: gv? [20:51] <th> daja77: yes [20:51] <daja77> yep [20:52] <daja77> that applying in web frontend is a brak in the workflow somehow ... [20:54] <th> that's why i never do this. [20:54] <daja77> you see ... [20:55] kensai (n=kensai@206.248.97.14) left irc: "Leaving" [20:55] <th> why would you want to do it there? [20:55] <th> i use `smap 2006112114050583380` to apply a patch [20:56] <th> it applies to subversion and marks applied in sm [20:56] <daja77> must be a newer version of smap .. [20:56] <th> why? [20:56] <th> of course you need a smap.cfg in `pwd` for this: [20:57] <th> set -- -M -C -l "$@" [20:57] <th> URL=https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster [20:57] <th> USER=... [20:57] <th> PASS=... [20:57] <daja77> yes [20:57] <daja77> i have that one [20:57] <daja77> but smap doesn't ack the patch in sm only applying to svn [20:57] <daja77> hm [20:58] <th> that's what the -M should do [20:58] <th> do you have the permissions to mark it applied in svn? [20:59] <daja77> hm no idea [20:59] <th> what output do you get with that smap? [21:00] <daja77> erh can tell you tomorrow .. [22:31] kasc_ (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-117-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [22:33] <th> daja77: qemu still only builds with gcc3.x ? [22:33] <daja77> afaik yes [22:41] ija_ (n=ija@212.80.242.117) joined #rocklinux. [22:42] kasc (n=kasc@dslb-084-060-111-242.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [22:42] Nick change: kasc_ -> kasc [22:46] <th> 574 builds total, 573 completed fine, 1 with errors. [22:46] <th> thats trunk with (pretty small) journal 2006-11-20-th [22:46] <th> only gnupg2 failed [22:47] ija (n=ija@84.19.217.60) left irc: Read error: 145 (Connection timed out) [22:48] <daja77> th: shall i update pth? [22:49] <th> checking for PTH - version >= 1.3.7... yes [22:49] <th> checking whether PTH installation is sane... yes [22:49] <th> i think that's not the real problem with the gnupg2 build [22:49] <th> but i'm not sure [22:50] <th> checking for LIBASSUAN pth - version >= 0.9.3... no [22:51] <daja77> ah libassuan [22:51] <daja77> all in my repo ... [22:51] <daja77> d'oh [22:51] <th> checking for LIBASSUAN - version >= 0.9.3... yes [22:51] <daja77> weird [22:52] <th> 2006111715145229941 did update libassuan [22:52] <th> -[S] Alpha [22:52] <th> -[V] 0.6.10 [22:52] <th> +[S] Stable [22:52] <th> +[V] 1.0.0 [22:52] <daja77> they wrote about gpg 2 that it needs the latest from everything [22:52] <th> word from SMP would be helpfull here [22:53] <daja77> oh perhaps this is an a broken configure skript [22:53] <daja77> something that checks for > 0.93 but can't hande 1.0 or sth [22:54] <th> yes. it smells like it a bit. although: checking for LIBASSUAN - version >= 0.9.3... yes [23:39] blindcoder (i=blindcod@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x384243C9) left irc: Remote closed the connection [23:40] blindcoder (i=blindcod@gateway/gpg-tor/key-0x384243C9) joined #rocklinux. [23:59] <th> https://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/rock-dist/2006-11-20-th.iso [23:59] <th> this is r8068 plus journal "2006-11-20 th" [00:00] --- Wed Nov 22 2006