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[01:03] <th> kdebase: usr/share/apps/khelpcenter/index.html.in
[01:03] <th> that is strange, isn't it?
[01:09] <th> starting "khelpcenter" alone brings some barking output
[01:09] <th> khelpcenter: WARNING: Main template file name is empty.
[01:09] <th> meinproc: ERROR: File '' does not exist.
[01:09] <th> clicking on "Login Manager" brings only a "There is no documentation available for /kdm/index.html."
[01:09] <th> there IS something wrong with our KDE documentation
[01:10] <th> (yes i did install all :doc files)
[01:59] <th> doc/KDE issue seems to be fixed with 2006120701581411734
[02:09] <th> started another build with this fix added
[03:55] <mnemoc> o.o
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[07:27] <blindcoder> th: no, I don't think so
[07:27] <blindcoder> moin
[07:28] <blindcoder> th: I'm still searching for a usable solution
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[10:07] <th> blindcoder: why dont you think so?
[10:15] <th> blindcoder: btw - i cant tell for sure - but i somehow plan to come to CLT
[10:15] <th> blindcoder: what is the reason for chaning the standard by doing s,doc,doc/KDE, ?
[10:16] <th> s/chan/chang/
[10:43] <blindcoder> th: because then the stuff is in /usr/share/doc/HTML
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[12:15] <owl> moin
[12:15] <blindcoder> moin moin owl
[12:48] <daja77> is there any known bug about a completely broken udev in teh bootdisk, i am a bit out of sync?
[12:48] <blindcoder> never heard of that
[12:49] <daja77> i have a bootdisk where udev doesn't find any devices :)
[12:49] <blindcoder> well, that's bad
[12:56] <th> blindcoder: and what is the problem with the stuff being in /usr/share/doc/HTML just as the authors have intended?
[12:56] <th> daja77: does it find devices when you run udevtrigger?
[12:57] <daja77> mom i'll try
[12:59] <blindcoder> th: every other directory in /usr/share/doc/ is the package name of the contained files (.../nethack, .../util-linux, etc)
[12:59] <blindcoder> th: /usr/share/doc/HTML would indicate documentation for the package called HTML
[13:00] <th> blindcoder: so the problem is in KDE - not in rock, correct?
[13:00] <daja77> it says it can not found group sound
[13:00] <daja77> and stuff
[13:00] <th> so perhaps we should discuss this there
[13:00] <th> daja77: thats only warnings
[13:00] <daja77> and when i run udevtrigger after existing stone the monitor gies blank
[13:00] <blindcoder> th: correct
[13:00] <th> blindcoder: what do the standards say about this?
[13:02] <blindcoder> th: but there does not seem to be a sane way of changing path
[13:02] <blindcoder> th: standards? what standards?
[13:03] <th> how was the standard named which defines /srv /usr /etc and such?
[13:10] <blindcoder> LH... something
[13:23] <kasc> fhs
[13:26] <blindcoder> kasc: thanks :)
[13:27] <kasc> :)
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[13:36] <th> blindcoder: and there is /usr/share/doc/man/
[13:36] <th> so why not /usr/share/doc/HTML ?
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[13:53] <blindcoder> th: because only KDE uses /usr/share/doc/HTML/
[14:09] <th> blindcoder: perhaps this will change somewhen?
[14:09] <th> i dont know
[14:10] <th> but it's not only KDE - it's also all KDE based programs
[14:54] <blindcoder> th: I summarise that as "KDE"
[14:58] <th> ok
[15:00] <th> yea - perhaps we should just blame "KDE" for not conforming to this (unwritten?) /usr/share/doc/ naming-standard.
[15:00] <th> i dont see a reason why we should try to somehow fix it.
[15:01] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[15:01] <th> although i would see reason for trying to fix it upstream
[15:01] <th> but i somehow doubt that this is easy
[15:01] <th> moin stf
[15:01] <stf^rocklinux> regarding KDE docs, the biggest problems seems the non-working helpcenter...
[15:01] <th> stf^rocklinux: my build with my last change will finish soon - i'll test helpcenter then
[15:01] <th> 574 builds total, 488 completed fine, 0 with errors.
[15:02] Action: daja77 trying the bootdisk from trunk
[15:02] <th> at least helpcenter worked for k3b where i did a test on my patch
[15:02] <th> daja77: i think we might have some "effects" due to the last udev cleanup
[15:02] Action: th blames stf *eg*
[15:02] <daja77> grml
[15:03] <blindcoder> th: I don't blame it for not conforming with it, but for not providing a way to change it
[15:03] <th> blindcoder: are you sure they dont?
[15:03] <blindcoder> th: ever tried to talk with the guys in #kde? or on mailinglists? I had no luck there
[15:04] <th> blindcoder: nope - i had not contact in that direction 
[15:04] <blindcoder> th: yeah, well. they're not exactly helpful with that problem.
[15:04] <th> blindcoder: i think the change should be somehow possible in kdelibs package. because this package provides the "kde-config" helper
[15:05] <stf^rocklinux> daja77: my latest bootdisk build (finished yesterday) works just fine in qemu...
[15:05] <th> that's interesting
[15:05] <stf^rocklinux> daja77: do you maybe use a custom linux configuration?
[15:05] <daja77> that's why i'll try to build trunk instead of my sm repo
[15:06] <blindcoder> th: that's what I tried doing
[15:06] <daja77> not that i am aware of
[15:07] <th> blindcoder: well - i thought your approach was to WRAP kde-cojnfig
[15:07] <stf^rocklinux> daja77: I'll start a vanilla bootdisk build...
[15:07] <daja77> yep me too
[15:07] <th> the bootdisk target is already finished - i could upload it
[15:07] <blindcoder> th: I don't remember why I did that. I think(!) because of the kde-config code quality
[15:09] <blindcoder> th: or rather the way kde-config and kdelibs' ./configure interact
[15:10] <stf^rocklinux> th: please do, I'll try it and see what happens
[15:13] <stf^rocklinux> daja77: what bootdisk build did you have problems with? maybe you want to try th's build, too?
[15:14] <th> my last build (http://www.rocklinux.net/people/teha/rock-dist/r8094-almost-vanilla.iso) is r8094 with binutils update and subversion-static removal
[15:15] <daja77> hm a bootdisk that i can combine with one of my builds?
[15:15] <th> my current build adds the dvd-size switch, lo-setup (system.init) check-removal, and my kde-doc-fix-proposal
[15:17] <stf^rocklinux> btw. the /usr/share/doc/HTML directory is not standardized in FHS (see http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html).
[15:17] <th> ahh btw - my latest build did not load my network-module automatically
[15:17] <th> not even when calling udevtrigger again
[15:17] <th> the pci-id is in modules.alias though
[15:17] <th> i dont understnad this
[15:17] <th> propably an issue with the hotplug rules for udev
[15:35] <daja77> i have a test environment now :)
[15:36] <daja77> after running udevtrigger it still doesn't find a harddisc
[15:36] <daja77> weird
[15:36] <blindcoder> can someone tell me why the LiveCD and Crystal Targets use different methods to select packages? and thus have different package selections?
[15:37] <daja77> perhaps because livecd was made before crystal
[15:39] <th> daja77: what is your scsi controller?
[15:39] <daja77> now a virtual one ..
[15:39] <th> buslogic?
[15:40] <daja77> on the box i don't know
[15:40] <th> i had an issue with buslogic it was not loaded automatically
[15:40] <th> seems to be the same issue as with my NIC. the tg3 (tigon3) module is not autoloaded
[15:40] <th> although the pci-id's do match
[15:41] <daja77> hm
[15:46] <th> and somehow i dislike that nvidiafb module is autoloaded... this btw - conflicts with the propr. nvidia module.
[15:46] <daja77> yep
[15:47] <blindcoder> I vote for disabling nvidiafb altogether
[15:48] <stf^rocklinux> th: maybe add an udev rule to nvidia package that disables nvidiafb?
[15:48] <th> stf^rocklinux: that sounds very good.
[15:48] <daja77> nvidiafb is crap anyway
[15:49] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: still requires you to reboot
[15:49] <stf^rocklinux> requiring propr. modules isn't nice either...
[15:49] <blindcoder> stf^rocklinux: since you can't rmmod nvidiafb
[15:54] <stf^rocklinux> oh. I just noticed that the hotplug package is needed for hotplug.rules, but it's not in bootdisk or crystal targets anymore.
[15:54] <stf^rocklinux> these two scripts used in hotplug.rules are missing: /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent and /etc/hotplug/firmware.agent
[15:55] <daja77> that might explain my troubles here?
[15:55] <stf^rocklinux> /etc/hotplug/net.agent
[15:55] <stf^rocklinux> daja77: yes, I don't know what these scripts do, however.
[16:08] <th> a "hotplug" package still exists???
[16:08] <th> ah the two scripts.
[16:08] <th> that is good news...
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