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[08:49] <blindcoder> moin
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[11:34] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: ?
[12:51] <stf^rocklinux> moin
[12:51] <stf^rocklinux> daja77_: ?
[13:06] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: haven't you had a bootdisk fix?
[13:07] <blindcoder> err
[13:08] <blindcoder> where'd the topic go?
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[13:08] <stf^rocklinux> daja77_: my latest bootdisk fix was in the stone installer...
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[13:09] <stf^rocklinux> apart from that, the bootdisk target in trunk works for me (tested in qemu)...
[13:09] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: my latest bootdisks always fail to find a harddisk
[13:09] <daja77_> on vmware and on real hardware
[13:11] <stf^rocklinux> daja77_: hmm, have you investigated further, like are the modules loaded and device files created?
[13:17] <daja77_> http://lospalmos.homelinux.net/rock-capture.png
[13:19] <stf^rocklinux> th "specified group" warnings are harmless, the other warnings are fixed in trunk afaik
[13:22] <daja77_> narf
[13:23] <stf^rocklinux> don't you get to a shell prompt where you can 'lsmod' and 'ls /dev'?
[13:23] <stf^rocklinux> maybe you're just missing the appr. kernel modules...
[13:24] <stf^rocklinux> or the dev files have the wrong names
[13:25] <daja77_> there is no hda
[13:26] <daja77_> there is no new foo like sata in this vmware don't tell me we don't load the modules for ide
[13:26] <daja77_> hm perhaps it is scsi, checking
[13:27] <stf^rocklinux> ide modules are definitely in the bootdisk, else it wouldn't work in qemu
[13:27] <daja77_> in qemu i get kernel segfaults
[13:28] <daja77_> ah ok vmware emulates a buslogic scsi controller
[13:30] <stf^rocklinux> I did get kernel segfaults in qemu with earlier bootdisk builds (probably because the default kernel is too large) but not in my latest build...
[13:31] <stf^rocklinux> so there should be /dev/sd* devices and symlinks in /dev/discs/disc*/
[13:31] <daja77_> nothing
[13:32] <stf^rocklinux> stone looks for hard discs in /dev/discs. Is the appr. scsi module loaded?
[13:33] <th> i thought the problem was the missing hotplug scripts?
[13:33] <th> BusLogic is _not_ loaded automatically./
[13:33] <daja77_> stf^rocklinux: no, but i also don't know which module to load
[13:33] <th> neither was my tg3 network module
[13:33] <th> daja77_: it is `modprobe BusLogic`
[13:35] <daja77_> ah
[13:35] <daja77_> works now thx
[13:36] <daja77_> damn case sensitive names
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[13:38] <daja77_> oh 256mb is not enough for our installer
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[14:53] <daja77_> strike!
[14:53] <daja77_> i crashed vmware with a core dump while installing rock
[15:23] <th> daja77_: you have the recent anyany patches applied?
[15:23] <th> (to vmware)
[15:26] <daja77_> hm i have a 5.5.3
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[15:29] <Guest018> hi!
[15:30] <Guest018> just an kernel panic after the scsidevices load when installing rock crystal 3.0
[15:30] <Guest018> any suggestions for kernel boot options ?
[15:31] <Guest018> searched the web for a general listing of possible option but gived up after some time ..:(( only some initoption found
[15:32] <Guest018> do the options "noacpi apic noscsi"  work?
[15:33] <Guest018> the booting takes some while so im dont want to try ;)!
[15:34] <Guest018> heya are you reading me?
[15:37] <Guest018> is there a chance to find the installkernelbootoptionlistening on the official rocklinux sites?
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[15:42] <blindcoder> amiignored: the installer does not listen to any specific kernel bootoptions that the vanilla kernel doesn't also listen to
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[15:56] <amiignored> blindcoder : thanks then i give a try ;)
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[19:11] <th> stf^rocklinux: still around?
[19:11] <th> stf^rocklinux: i just saw your 2006120717140487340
[19:12] <th> stf^rocklinux: we still need to enable the hotplug package for bootdisk, do we?
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[19:17] <stf^rocklinux> th: yes, if we need the two rules (reg. firmware.agent and net.agent). In that case it should also be CORE again.
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[19:43] <th> stf^rocklinux: ahh. but we dont need the hotplug scripts if we dont need the firmware rules?
[19:43] <th> stf^rocklinux: so this cant be the reason why current installer does not load some modules?
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[19:55] <stf^rocklinux> th: hotplug.rules does explicit modprobes for e.g. scsi devices, so it may be needed regardless of the firmware rule.
[19:56] <th> yes - but hotplug.rules comes with udev package, my question was if we need the hotplug package
[19:57] <stf^rocklinux> th: if I get udevd right, it is normally not responsible for loading modules. The kernel should load them as needed (if Automatic kernel module loading is enabled in kernel config).
[19:57] <th> but when does the kernel load modules?
[19:58] <th> so when is "as needed"
[19:58] <stf^rocklinux> th: short answer is yes, because otherwise the two agents are missing for udev. But I don't really know what they do and therefore whether they are still needed.
[19:58] <th> kmod is enabled in our case. (where BusLogic is not loaded)
[19:59] <stf^rocklinux> hm, sry gotta go...
[19:59] <th> cya
[20:00] <_Ragnar_> th: if I get udevd right, it is normally not responsible for loading modules <-- udev is supposed to do that o_o
[20:01] <th> in my opinion udevd should load modules for which it finds a matching pci-id in /sys
[20:02] <blindcoder> _Ragnar_: isn't udev supposed to create device nodes?
[20:02] <th> blindcoder: and to handle hotplugging
[20:02] <th> blindcoder: it receives the events.
[20:02] <blindcoder> okay
[20:02] <_Ragnar_> udev gets a hotplug event from the kernel. then it's supposed to load the module and on success create the inode
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[20:03] <th> and i think the hotplug event for e.g. BusLogic should be sent when "udevtrigger" is called on system-init
[20:03] <th> and it IS sent at this time
[20:04] <th> the question is - why does our udevd _not_ load BusLogic/tg3/etc... module when it receives the respective event
[20:04] <th> and the answer is propably somewhere in our rules
[20:04] <_Ragnar_> indeed
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