[00:05] <ripclaw> ok - i made 4 patches and reload the rest - what now ?
[00:06] <th> you can just email me the patches and i'll add them to smng. when you have your own account you can just upload them
[00:07] <ripclaw> ok i`ll scp them to my email system. use login ät röcklinux döt örg ?
[00:08] <th> th@ yea
[00:08] <ripclaw> k rite
[00:16] <ripclaw> u got 4 mails
[00:18] <th> ok - you did not write the comments, right?
[00:19] <ripclaw> in the mail, not the patch
[00:19] <th> -[D] 1665322105 Gtk-Perl-0.7008.tar.gz http://www.gtkperl.org/ 
[00:19] <th> +[D] 1665322105 Gtk-Perl-0.7008.tar.gz http://www.cpan.org/modules/by-module/Gtk/Gtk-Perl-0.7008.tar.gz
[00:19] <th> that's propably wrong
[00:20] <ripclaw> ?
[00:20] <th> the 2nd part should be the directory only
[00:20] <ripclaw> oh ! stupid me. i left the fileame
[00:20] <th> removed..
[00:20] <ripclaw> thnx
[00:20] <th> and the comment should be in the patch.. i'll add it to smng and give you the url...
[00:22] <ripclaw> i still dont understand half of what your saying :) but it sounds ok !
[00:25] <th> ripclaw: please visit https://www.rocklinux.net/submaster
[00:27] <ripclaw> ok
[00:27] <th> thats the list of available/pending patches
[00:28] <ripclaw> yup
[00:28] <th> you can see your 4 patches in there now... somewhere
[00:28] <ripclaw> seen... 
[00:28] <th> good
[00:28] <th> that's pretty much all
[00:29] <th> now you need your own smng account
[00:29] <th> and you can ask blindy to vote on 2006121400245722214 if he does  not do this without being asked
[00:30] <ripclaw> yeah... i`ll need a "spammable/mass mail" account... in case the mail-addy is readable.
[00:30] <th> which mail address?
[00:30] <ripclaw> oh, cool. the rock one still works... either it wont check or it wont overflow.
[00:33] <ripclaw> how do i vote ?
[00:33] <th> you need an account for this
[00:34] <ripclaw> ripclaw is logged in :D
[00:34] <th> ripclaw: see http://thzn.de/smng-shot.png
[00:37] <ripclaw> timeout
[00:43] <th> timeout?
[00:44] <th> well - fix your network connection
[00:45] <ripclaw> still timeout with all downloads halted
[00:52] <th> which downloads?
[00:53] <ripclaw> scripts/Download -mirror none :)
[00:54] <th> ok
[00:55] <ripclaw> i may have found out... tried bdb - i`ll see if it worked
[01:12] <th> ripclaw: i discarded the patch where i missed to fix the download line. now that you have your account back - you can just upload the correct patch. please add your name and the description as comment in the beginning of the patch file
[01:14] <ripclaw> ok. gimme a sec.
[01:18] <th> not via mail!
[01:18] <th> just click "new patch" in submaster
[01:19] <th> dont let me play your webbrowser ;)
[01:19] <th> s/play/be/
[01:20] <ripclaw> already did...
[01:20] <ripclaw> sorry, that was before i got the account working. just discard and update the queue view
[01:20] <ripclaw> mailserver is sometimes slow.
[01:20] <th> ok
[01:21] <ripclaw> never thought its that easy.
[01:44] <ripclaw> btw - silo is 1.4.8 - current silo is 1.4.13, which fixes among other the CD-boot. i`ll make & test a patch on that one.
[01:45] <ripclaw> was the cksum value taken from the bz2 or the tar ? (too long time gone by)
[01:46] <th> the tar
[01:46] <th> curl ...|bunzip2 |cksum
[01:47] <ripclaw> k thnks
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[02:09] <ripclaw> how to handle patches which are not tested yet ? e.g. silo 1.4.13 ? mark as untested ? journal ?
[02:10] <th> no
[02:10] <th> just upload them
[02:11] <th> and a note UNTESTED is helpfull
[02:11] <ripclaw> ok - so upload will allow for testing and verifying - ok.
[02:11] <th> exactly
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[02:32] <ripclaw> sparc queue (new) has now 2 patches.
[02:33] <ripclaw> one boring and one interesting :)
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[02:49] <ripclaw> how do i tell svn to accept a new patch in e.g. package/sparc/elftoaout/50-elftoaout-2.3-64bit_fixes-1.patch ?
[02:49] <ripclaw> svn diff doesnt work...
[02:51] <ripclaw> probably just doin it manually
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[07:21] <blindcoder> moin
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[10:42] <th> ripclaw_away: svn add foo/my_new.patch
[10:42] <ripclaw> *grumbles* mornin - need coffe
[10:42] <th> ripclaw_away: and use `svn status` also
[10:43] <blindcoder> moin th, ripclaw 
[10:43] <th> moin blindcoder, ripclaw 
[10:43] <ripclaw> moin blindcoder, moin th
[10:43] <ripclaw> *destructed*
[10:44] <ripclaw> whats stats doing ?
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[10:44] <th> ripclaw: it tells you status about the file in your working directory
[10:45] <th> ripclaw: saying things like: modified, scheduled_for_addition, unknown, missing
[10:45] <th> `svn help status`
[10:45] <ripclaw> that needed 5 seconds to get to the brain. definite need coffee.
[10:46] <blindcoder> hehehe
[10:47] <blindcoder> coffee destroys the brain cells that are in charge of being tired
[10:48] <ripclaw> it weeds out the slow ones...
[10:49] <ripclaw> and overpaints the smell of the mouth-toads...
[11:08] <ripclaw> regarding the mirror check stuff - one could just run Download with curl running in --head or --list-only (going the check that)
[11:25] <ripclaw> why does ./scripts/Download -all -mirror none  _delete_ existing files and re-download ? thats not sane behaviour... ?
[11:26] <blindcoder> it should be -mirror none -all
[11:27] <blindcoder> but it's strange, alright
[11:27] <ripclaw> db-4.x, mysql... 
[11:27] <ripclaw> changed default behaviour in curl ?
[11:28] <ripclaw> no - it deletes bz2`s and re-gets as gz, then moves to cksum-err...
[11:28] <ripclaw> its the script.
[11:32] <th> the Download script has some "issues"
[11:32] <ripclaw> lets call them features and charge money :)
[11:33] <ripclaw> just looking into it.
[11:38] <blindcoder> maybe stf's .zip patch fscked something up?
[11:38] <th> did i apply it?
[11:38] <th> i dont think so
[11:39] <th> i'm currently running a build with hal and dbus updates
[11:39] <th> hal failed to build
[11:40] <th> checking for POLKIT... configure: error: PolicyKit not explicitly disabled and no PolicyKit found
[11:40] <th> http://lists.freedesktop.org/archives/hal/2006-March/004770.html
[11:43] <th> anyone creating a package for it?
[11:44] <th> ripclaw: you perhaps? ;-)
[11:44] <blindcoder> oh, great
[11:44] <ripclaw> ? whatit ?
[11:44] <th> policykit
[11:44] <th> the package
[11:44] <blindcoder> "the ew incarnations of su are al broken with only few programs adopting it them, so let's create a new one with only one prgoram adopting it to fix the issue"
[11:45] <th> no!
[11:45] <th> you missunderstood
[11:45] <th> it's not the incarnations which are broken
[11:45] <th> it's the su concept
[11:45] <th> so that is changed
[11:47] <ripclaw> i do`t get  the point - no users no trouble :)
[11:47] <ripclaw> i was thinking about packaging some gridware *G*
[11:47] <ripclaw> like xcat etc.
[11:48] <blindcoder> xcat? /bin/cat for x?
[11:48] Action: blindcoder hides
[11:48] <ripclaw> no xcat.org - the IBM labs followup to CSM 
[11:48] <ripclaw> similar stuff like sun N1 grid engine
[11:48] Action: blindcoder has no clue about that whole grid thingie
[11:50] <ripclaw> CSM is a software to install and maintain compute nodes, shedule tasks etc. mostly needs something like symphony etc. above it. builds on the RSCT cluster library
[11:50] <ripclaw> install one master, configure, rollout 2000+ clients. compute by breakfast next day (thats what the sales guys say)
[11:51] <blindcoder> heh
[11:52] <ripclaw> reality is more like install master, fiddle, rinse, configure, fiddle, patch, fiddle, rinse, roll.. no patch, fiddle more patch, rollout, patch, patch, fiddle, patch...
[11:52] <ripclaw> having it out of the box would rock 
[11:52] <th> sounds fun
[11:52] <ripclaw> i spent 1.5years on one of those babies... 770 nodes...
[11:53] <ripclaw> brandnew hardware, age-old sles8, thats what they sold... and we patched everything from here to hammerfest to make it work
[11:53] <blindcoder> ooooh
[11:53] <blindcoder> sounds like job security
[11:54] <ripclaw> i havent been there for a year and still get calls...
[11:54] <ripclaw> job security is one thing, they like to keep you and pay naught :)
[11:54] <blindcoder> huzzah
[11:54] <ripclaw> dont even toss pizza and inflatables in...
[11:55] <blindcoder> okay, bad place to work at
[11:55] <blindcoder> at least we get pizza and a hotel room for overtime
[11:55] <ripclaw> say so... if they up the charge to my current asking, i`ll bring along pizza for everyone *fat-grin*
[11:56] <ripclaw> no, there you get "you didnt plan that overtime" comments...
[11:56] <th> Requirements for HAL
[11:56] <ripclaw> the secret is to overplan by 4, get cut down to factor 2 and still have some resources.
[11:56] <th>  - Linux kernel     >= 2.6.17
[11:56] <th>  - util-linux       >= 2.12r1
[11:56] <th>  - glib             >= 2.6.0
[11:56] <th>  - expat            >= 1.95.8
[11:56] <th>  - libusb           >= 0 0.1.10a (optional)
[11:56] <th> (haha)
[11:56] <blindcoder> nope, I didn't plan
[11:56] <blindcoder> but the developers forced me
[11:56] <ripclaw> whats that hal guy doing anyway ?
[11:57] <th>  - cryptsetup-luks  >= 1.0.1     (optional, needs LUKS patches)
[11:57] <th> ripclaw: "things"
[11:57] <blindcoder> ripclaw: coke, ifg you ask me
[11:57] <ripclaw> blindcoder - we`re omnipotent prescient coders - we have to anticipate that... (mgmt-quot)
[11:58] <blindcoder> ripclaw: [ ] that's a palce where you want to work
[11:58] <th> there is no util-linux 2.12r1
[11:58] <ripclaw> th - are you locking up the box ?
[11:58] <blindcoder> btw, I'm thinking about getting a new place to workat if my boss really wants to cu me down to 25h
[11:58] <blindcoder> 35h
[11:58] <blindcoder> any suggestion? :)
[11:59] <th> ripclaw: which box?
[11:59] <ripclaw> blindcoder - send me a cv ;)
[11:59] <th> yea - CC me please.
[11:59] <blindcoder> well do when he actually does it
[11:59] <ripclaw> not the rocklinux.org ols
[11:59] <th> ripclaw: we share 50%:50%?
[12:00] <ripclaw> blindcoder - i need a bit prerun...
[12:00] <ripclaw> th share 50/50 ? you started selling people too ?
[12:00] <blindcoder> hey, I'm not to be cut into parts!
[12:00] <th> selling? buying!
[12:00] <ripclaw> th i am re-selling :)
[12:00] <th> blindcoder: yes you are. you just dont know yet.
[12:00] <th> ripclaw: i see - ok
[12:01] <ripclaw> th you get first pick :)
[12:02] <blindcoder> err
[12:02] Action: blindcoder starts numbering his body parts
[12:02] <ripclaw> blindcoder i mailed scavenger home ip
[12:03] <ripclaw> ACTION starts plastering "WANTED" posters all over place
[12:03] <ripclaw> wanted: coders, part or full-time, parts preferred :)
[12:04] <blindcoder> ripclaw: you'll be at C3?
[12:04] <ripclaw> y
[12:04] <blindcoder> good, we'll talk there
[12:04] <ripclaw> okidoki
[12:08] <ripclaw> i dont get the clue on Downloads.. thats something for a calm weekend
[12:22] <ripclaw> ok i went to just mirroring gd.tuwien with wget. two downloads in parallel killed themself, thats why i got nowhere fast.... theres another bunch of candidates for URL breakage:
[12:23] <ripclaw> extchk-err on :  apmd-3.0.2 font-sony-misc-X11R7.0-1.0.0 openct-0.6.2 opensc-0.9.4 sane-backends-1.0.17
[12:55] <blindcoder> !join #piratenpartei
[12:59] <ripclaw> wtf ?
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[13:01] <blindcoder> ripclaw: hm?
[13:02] <ripclaw> piratenpartei ?
[13:02] <ripclaw> seine nudligkeit hat gesprochen ?
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[13:03] <blindcoder> nudligkeit?
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[13:08] <blindcoder> ripclaw: actually, that was a command to rocklogbot 
[13:08] <blindcoder> like
[13:08] <blindcoder> !seen clifford
[13:08] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: Ich habe clifford noch nie gesehen
[13:08] <blindcoder> or
[13:08] <blindcoder> !alarm now + 1 minute "foo"
[13:08] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: job 8 at 2006-12-14 13:08
[13:09] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: foo
[13:09] <ripclaw> wie cliff war noch nie da.
[13:09] <ripclaw> !seen ripclaw
[13:09] <rocklogbot> ripclaw: ripclaw hat zuletzt um Thu Dec 14 10:41:24 CET 2006 den channel #rocklinux betreten
[13:09] <blindcoder> das hesst nur rocklogbot hat ihn noch nie JOIn oder PART ehen
[13:09] <daja77_> was sehr wahrscheinlich ist
[13:10] <ripclaw> entweder war er nie hier oder nie weg ?
[13:10] <blindcoder> korrekt
[13:10] <ripclaw> !banane
[13:10] <blindcoder> !seen ripclaw_away
[13:10] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: Ich habe ripclaw_away noch nie gesehen
[13:11] <blindcoder> auch NICK wird nicht registriert
[13:11] <blindcoder> ist irgendwie eine absonderlichkeit von ii
[13:11] <ripclaw> ergo - fieslinge joinen irgendwie und nicken dann
[13:11] <ripclaw> *blang*
[13:14] <blindcoder> jo
[13:14] <blindcoder> hmm
[13:14] <blindcoder> da scheint es ein problem im trigger fuer PART zu geben
[13:16] <blindcoder> !seen nanox
[13:16] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: nanox hat zuletzt um Thu Dec 14 02:33:22 CET 2006 den channel #rocklinux verlassen
[13:16] <blindcoder> oder er hat einfach den PART nicht mitbekommen
[13:16] <blindcoder> !8ball is there a bug in the PART trigger?
[13:16] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: Concentrate and ask again (Konzentriere dich und frag nochmal)
[13:16] <blindcoder> frack you!
[13:19] <ripclaw> !8ball are you friggn insanebot ?
[13:19] <rocklogbot> ripclaw: Very doubtful (Sehr zweifelhaft)
[13:20] <ripclaw> !8ball whats the weather in ham burg
[13:20] <rocklogbot> ripclaw: Ask again later (Frag später nochmal)
[13:22] <ripclaw> !8ball care for another 8ball ?
[13:22] <rocklogbot> ripclaw: Ask again later (Frag später nochmal)
[13:22] <ripclaw> begrenzter sprachwortschatz
[13:22] <blindcoder> naja, die 20 8ball antworten halt
[13:23] <blindcoder> !8ball foo
[13:23] Last message repeated 2 time(s).
[13:23] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: Signs point to yes (Zeichen deuten auf ja)
[13:23] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: Very doubtful (Sehr zweifelhaft)
[13:23] <rocklogbot> blindcoder: It is decidedly so (Es ist entschieden so)
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[13:53] <owl> moin
[14:26] <ripclaw> moin owl
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[16:56] <blindcoder> ripclaw: what's the problem you have with hddtemp?
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[17:15] <madtux> hi.
[17:16] <daja77_> hi maddy
[17:16] <madtux> hi danny
[17:16] <stf^rocklinux> hi all
[17:17] <stf^rocklinux> ripclaw: btw. it's recommended to use the download mirrors whenever possible; this way you don't have to worry about changed download locations most of the time ;)
[17:17] <madtux> wow ripclaw ... its been years without seen u here man.
[17:17] <madtux> well yeah i've been kinda away too. 
[17:21] <blindcoder> hey madtux!
[17:21] <madtux> heya blindy
[17:22] <blindcoder> madtux: everything fine over there?
[17:22] <madtux> of course :)
[17:22] <madtux> there?
[17:23] <blindcoder> could be better, could be worse
[17:24] <blindcoder> strained my sinews in the right shoulder
[17:24] <blindcoder> can't do kendo until next year
[17:24] <madtux> sorry man
[17:24] <blindcoder> it'll heal :){
[17:25] <madtux> luckily :)
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[17:28] <blindcoder> well, otherwise I'd have started to train one-handed kendo
[17:28] <blindcoder> difficult but doable
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[17:35] <ripclaw> blindcoder: i have no problem with hddtemp, i just think that packages with version ing shouldnt change their contents when you download them.
[17:36] <blindcoder> it doesn't
[17:36] <blindcoder> that's why we use our mirrors
[17:36] <ripclaw> thats why it doesnt work without them,...
[17:36] <blindcoder> the versioning in the hddtemp.db file ensures that the checksum is correct and the file will be redownloaded upon change
[17:36] <ripclaw> i`m still too used to the "them mirrors wont work" stuff.
[17:36] <blindcoder> some time ago we decided that the authoritative source is our mirrors
[17:37] <blindcoder> not the original vendor
[17:37] <ripclaw> ok
[17:37] <ripclaw> didnt know that
[17:37] <ripclaw> then its obsolete.
[17:37] <blindcoder> I think it's only in the patch submission guidelines
[17:37] <ripclaw> the waht ?
[17:37] <blindcoder> patch submission guidelines
[17:38] <ripclaw> oh - i read something other with sub... :)  *whistle*
[17:39] <ripclaw> btw - what kendo style ?
[17:39] <blindcoder> itto, still the same as last time you asked :)
[17:40] <ripclaw> brain=sieve, still same as the last time :)
[17:40] <blindcoder> btw, the german women team came in third place in team world championship!!
[17:40] <ripclaw> naaasty *G*
[17:40] <blindcoder> one of the members comes from our dojo, three come from berlin :D
[17:41] <blindcoder> we have a few niito fighters as well as a bunch of itto jodan fighters
[17:41] <blindcoder> but most are itto chudan, like me
[17:41] <ripclaw> i still may not... neither hapkido nor kenjutsu, nor any racing sports :( friggin back.
[17:42] <blindcoder> what did you do to your back? break it?
[17:43] <ripclaw> afaik frankfurt is shoto-shiu-shinryu with one or two people learning tatsumi. dojang darmstadt is shinson hapkido sword technics, worms has a kuksoolwon sabumnim or sonbaenim.
[17:43] <ripclaw> still the same spinal disk that spilled its guts between the spinal nerves and pinches them. one too fast or to heavy turn and i`m in the wheeliechair
[17:43] <ripclaw> thats what doc tells me
[17:43] <blindcoder> urgs
[17:44] <ripclaw> yea.. i turned to one-armed-lifting for sports :(
[17:45] <ripclaw> still have some 20 bokken in my home... occasionally do kata... better than nothin.
[17:46] <blindcoder> heh, in fact I did a one handed session recently
[17:46] <blindcoder> I still have sore muscles in my left arm
[17:46] <blindcoder> would it be my right arm I'd say i masturbated for a few days
[17:46] <blindcoder> TWENTY bokken?
[17:46] <blindcoder> I have TWO, and that's considered MUCH
[17:46] <ripclaw> i have less of a problem with that. i work with right, but do bothside weights and escrima sticks etc.
[17:47] <ripclaw> i bought a whole bunch, everytime darky and i used to spar we broke one or two.
[17:47] <ripclaw> steel-plate and helmet also needed occasional overhauls.
[17:48] <ripclaw> good bocken also goes through bamboo, just not as clean ;-)
[17:48] <blindcoder> ah, you mean shinai?
[17:48] <blindcoder> not bokken?
[17:48] <ripclaw> not shinai - no spliced kiddy thing. bokken, red or white japanese wood.
[17:48] <blindcoder> shinai: http://www.wooden-swords.com/images/products/b-shinai.jpg
[17:49] <blindcoder> bokken: http://kendo.union.rpi.edu/images/bokken.jpg
[17:49] <ripclaw> i know how a shinai and a boken looks. i even have a eku here (katana no ryoshi)
[17:49] <blindcoder> we only use bokken for kata and - off training - strength excercises
[17:50] <ripclaw> shinai breaks too fast. and since kendo-plate is too expensive we used surcoat and full plate front+helmet+arms.
[17:50] <blindcoder> well, I do the latter, since my bokken aer rather heavy
[17:50] <blindcoder> o_O
[17:50] <blindcoder> oookay....
[17:50] <blindcoder> my shinai usually last a year (bamboo ones)
[17:50] <ripclaw> heavy is good. i only train with them. its similar to hanbo and daibo
[17:51] <ripclaw> i have no shinai. our corean teacher thinks thats for children. we`re not supposed to have one.
[17:52] <ripclaw> "either train with full senses on, or not at all. if you miss block, you not awake. if you hit partner, you not awake - in both case end training."
[17:52] <blindcoder> interesting
[17:52] <blindcoder> that explains a lot about the korean teams
[17:52] <ripclaw> the guy is already getting softer in technics, he was badass when he came here from the monastry.
[17:53] <ripclaw> the corean training is usually bare upper half, outside in weather, sometimes under waterfall, sometimes in snow. we used to meet in the moor in winter and do throws and grip.
[17:53] <blindcoder> so he only allows you a shinai for tournaments?
[17:54] <ripclaw> we dont do tournament.
[17:54] <ripclaw> only selected people go to those.
[17:54] <blindcoder> ah
[17:54] <ripclaw> we use it for contact training.
[17:54] <blindcoder> I see
[17:55] <ripclaw> i was at some tournies with short and long bo, thats similar. and since we also do them 3 belts before we start bokken, there usually is no need to.
[17:56] <blindcoder> I enjoy tournaments, reall
[17:56] <blindcoder> y
[17:56] <blindcoder> never made an ippon, though
[17:56] <ripclaw> hands starts at white belt, wooden staffs etc at red, bokken, knife, chopsticks etc at black. i`ve been yellow for about 18 years now.
[17:57] <ripclaw> but thats more a philosphical problem, my belt still holds the gi. i need no new one.
[17:57] <blindcoder> within the dkenb, at least, there's no 'belts'
[17:57] <blindcoder> just stamps in your 'kendo pass'
[17:58] <blindcoder> interesting
[17:58] <blindcoder> are we really talking about the same kendo?
[17:58] <ripclaw> we get no stamps - its the same technique for hands or weapons, if its good enough you get the big thingies.. the number of different stuff in the training reportoire is very varying.
[17:59] <ripclaw> no - i am talking about learning martial arts - full package - kendo is one aspect. i try to be good at all of them.
[17:59] <blindcoder> ah, okay
[17:59] <blindcoder> that got me quite confused there
[17:59] <ripclaw> musashi said that its no use of beeing proficient in just one weapon, know all of them, know them good.
[18:00] <blindcoder> good concept
[18:00] <blindcoder> though time - as always - is essential
[18:00] <blindcoder> you still have to feed yourself :)
[18:00] <ripclaw> hapkido is using everything at hands. that is hands, feet, head, newspaper, biro, chopsticks, walking cane, food-dishes, long and short staff, sword, bokken, etc.
[18:01] <stf^rocklinux> don't forget the pen ;)
[18:01] <ripclaw> before i had to stop i was at 2 hours a day, 4hrs during holidays
[18:01] <ripclaw> biro=kugelschreiber
[18:01] <stf^rocklinux> ah, ok :)
[18:01] <ripclaw> i really love "chopstick-kata"  :D  or tessen... thats just lovely everyday stufff.
[18:01] <ripclaw> tessen=japanese fan
[18:01] <ripclaw> (faecher)
[18:02] <blindcoder> so your dojo was open all day?
[18:02] <ripclaw> monday-friday 6-23 sat+sun9-22 and sun is son training only.
[18:02] <madtux> i wonder if ripclaw is also into bikes still.
[18:03] <blindcoder> wow
[18:03] <ripclaw> motor or muscle ? im still in both... but i may not as much as before, bad back
[18:03] <ripclaw> blindcoder - thats the european head dojang, there are about 12+ trainers ?
[18:04] <blindcoder> 12 trainers? that's... few
[18:04] <ripclaw> we have 2nd highest grade trainer worldwide as the headmaster. thats also why the bloody tests where so painy
[18:05] <ripclaw> blackbelt != trainer
[18:05] <madtux> ripclaw: i ment motor. I'm sorry about the bad back
[18:05] <ripclaw> i still have a few. but i no longer do racing.
[18:05] <ripclaw> blindcoder - usual beginners training hat about 2-4 assistant trainers (brown/black) and 40 attendees.
[18:06] <ripclaw> thats like the large academies in seoul.
[18:06] <ripclaw> just 10 times smaller
[18:06] <owl> re
[18:06] <blindcoder> hehe
[18:06] <ripclaw> gives a good sonic makeover when you have 50 ppl scream ke-ha :)
[18:06] <madtux> Eule :)
[18:06] <ripclaw> re owl
[18:07] <blindcoder> ripclaw: indeed it does
[18:07] <blindcoder> ripclaw: 80 people training kiai... for an hour... *ouch*
[18:07] <blindcoder> we were tired just from that
[18:07] <blindcoder> then they said: that was warm-up
[18:07] <blindcoder> now start with Men-Suburi
[18:08] <blindcoder> <insert sound of 80 jaws dropping to the floor>
[18:08] <ripclaw> we had the rule that fridays was "all training with kiai only" - if you where not loud enough, all stop and you have to shout against 40 others to compare.
[18:08] <owl> hi madtux , ripclaw 
[18:08] <ripclaw> men-suburi ?
[18:08] <blindcoder> WOOO! shouting contest!
[18:08] <owl> .oO( shouting contest? where? O_o ) 
[18:08] <ripclaw> :) coool
[18:09] <blindcoder> ripclaw: repeated controlled hits to the head
[18:09] <blindcoder> or where the head would be if you imagine a motodachi in front of you
[18:09] <ripclaw> we had push-up contest... go to ground, push up on your fingertips, after 100 training partner changes (oh, forgot to mention - one sits on top)
[18:10] <ripclaw> motodachi = short sword ?
[18:10] <ripclaw> that word doesnt exist in corean.
[18:11] <blindcoder> motodachi is the one being hit
[18:11] <blindcoder> kakari is the one who hits
[18:12] <blindcoder> you mean "liegestuetze"?
[18:12] <ripclaw> uke and stuff from karate... :)
[18:12] <blindcoder> I can't do even five of them
[18:12] Action: blindcoder is fat and powerless
[18:12] <ripclaw> yes, liegestuetze mit sitzendem partner.
[18:13] <ripclaw> i currently weigh 105 kilo, thats 28 above my last fighting weight.
[18:13] <blindcoder> I'm at 110
[18:13] <blindcoder> go figure
[18:13] <blindcoder> and that's the least I weighed in years
[18:13] Action: blindcoder has always been a fat bum
[18:13] <madtux> lol
[18:13] <ripclaw> i just have fat at the belly... where the friggn sixpack once was.
[18:13] <blindcoder> heh
[18:14] <blindcoder> I have fat belly, man-boobs, "gebaerfreudiges becken" and upper legs shaving at each other so much that I have to buy new trousers every other month
[18:14] <blindcoder> the full monty
[18:15] <ripclaw> wheew... 
[18:15] <blindcoder> indeed
[18:15] <blindcoder> body fat around 30% :(
[18:16] <ripclaw> whatcha eat ?
[18:16] <blindcoder> hardly anything these last four months
[18:16] <blindcoder> three slices of bread for lunch
[18:16] <blindcoder> and a beer in the evening after training
[18:17] <blindcoder> that's about all I need to not be hungry
[18:17] <blindcoder> recently I've tried eating dinner
[18:17] <ripclaw> thats not good, theoretically your body is in hunger mode.
[18:17] <blindcoder> and in the morning was as hungry as a bear after wintersleep
[18:18] <blindcoder> so I decided to drop dinner again
[18:18] <blindcoder> well, I'm afraid of eating any more
[18:18] <ripclaw> i try fighting it with regular 3hr small meals, 1h cycling per day. and i try to follow core essentials training.
[18:19] <blindcoder> well, to this day, nobody could give me a plan on what to eat
[18:19] <blindcoder> 'a healthy mix of carbohydrates, vitamines and other assorted stuff. now leave me alone' is the answer I get everywhere. 
[18:19] <ripclaw> you should consult a "ernaehrungsberater" on that - running on too few food is costing energy - your body may be burning fat up, but there is nothing to take carbs or protein from in your body.
[18:20] <blindcoder> at least, that's what it boils down to
[18:20] <ripclaw> i can give you some isbns if you like.
[18:20] <ripclaw> if the body doesnt get enough carbs and protein it uses up muscles.
[18:20] <ripclaw> and musce burns energy
[18:21] <blindcoder> good isbns?
[18:21] <blindcoder> where they also have information for people doing a 9-5 job?
[18:21] <blindcoder> who can't cook for two hours a day?
[18:22] <ripclaw> go try looking at core essentials. some verstegen guy - he`s down to earth, but the translation sucks mooseballs through rock straw. 
[18:23] <ripclaw> the core training was e.g. used for the german national football team etc.
[18:24] <blindcoder> I see
[18:24] <ripclaw> ISBN 1594866279 2007 edition
[18:24] <ripclaw> how to buy food, how to handle eating, what to do as short training, etc. food plans for situations...
[18:24] <ripclaw> etc.
[18:28] <ripclaw> two more good books: essen trinken gewinnen (wagner, schroeder) isbn 3895661775
[18:28] <ripclaw> optimale sporternaehrung - wolfgang friedrich- isb 3934211763
[18:29] <blindcoder> will have a ook, give me a second
[18:30] <ripclaw> core essentials is the practical part, the second one has ideas and different foodplans for different sports etc. third one is theory and calculation stuff.
[18:31] <blindcoder> we'll see
[18:31] <blindcoder> I haven't been 'in shape' since entering elementary school
[18:32] <ripclaw> i got out of shape in less than 3 years. +25 kilos. 1/4th mass
[18:33] <blindcoder> yeah, but you've been in shape most of your life
[18:33] <blindcoder> I haven't been most of mine
[18:35] <ripclaw> i know people who changed -25kilo in the same time. my brother was out of shape for quite a while. 2 years ago he decided to chnge things and now is at 80 kilo. he was at 110 once.
[18:35] <ripclaw> i was at 120 already. i was back to 95 summer, and got 10kg over winter.
[18:35] <ripclaw> to much meat and cheese.
[18:36] <ripclaw> need more green stuff.
[18:36] <blindcoder> heh, personally I'd love to, too
[18:36] <blindcoder> but what can you do if all you have is the siemens cafeteria for lunch?
[18:37] <ripclaw> get a food box with cooling and take it with you. thats what i do.
[18:37] <blindcoder> all the books I've read to this very day have - without exception - catered only to the unemployed rich guy who has time for three hour shopping sprees per lunch and two hour cooking per day
[18:37] <ripclaw> i travel to hamburg each weak with my foodbox, i prep my food at home.
[18:38] <blindcoder> with ingredients I've never seen before; and never since, for that matter
[18:38] <ripclaw> go shopping saturday morning. for one week. half the basket full of green stuff. vegetables. salad.
[18:38] <blindcoder> wtf are "Akatski Beans"?
[18:38] <blindcoder> for example
[18:38] <ripclaw> i buy 2 cucumbers 2 carrots, some tomatos, bohnen, mais, such stuff
[18:39] <blindcoder> would make a lovely nudelauflauf
[18:39] <ripclaw> i dunno. i dont care. i select from what the shop has.
[18:39] <blindcoder> or pizza, for that matter :)
[18:39] <ripclaw> 50% vegetables, some rice/potato/noodles/ and fruit, 10% meat. lean meat only.
[18:39] <ripclaw> should do.
[18:40] <blindcoder> I prefer chicken/duck meat anyway
[18:40] <ripclaw> and eat stuff that lasts - not white bread, etc... i moved over to black bread completely.
[18:40] <blindcoder> meh, I bake my own bread
[18:41] <blindcoder> roggen/dinkel mixture
[18:41] <ripclaw> or muesli for start - keeps you fueled for 3-4 hours.
[18:41] <blindcoder> 'vollkorn' wheat only
[18:41] <ripclaw> better than buying :)
[18:41] <blindcoder> and no bread machine
[18:41] <blindcoder> hand-kneaded dough
[18:41] <ripclaw> vollkorn is *mjam*
[18:41] <ripclaw> <-- has no oven
[18:41] <blindcoder> the first time I ate handmade bread (mom-made) I thought: that must be the best bread ever!
[18:42] <blindcoder> since then, I only buy bread in an emergency
[18:42] <blindcoder> aww, sucks
[18:42] <blindcoder> hmm
[18:42] <ripclaw> yeah. small single person kitchenette
[18:42] <blindcoder> Ich hab kuerzlich nen GROSSEN reiskocher bekommen
[18:42] <blindcoder> 1.8 liter
[18:42] <blindcoder> damit koennt ich gut reis und geduenstetes gemuese machen
[18:42] <blindcoder> so fuers wochenende zum breistiel
[18:43] <ripclaw> :D ich koch mir reis und mach sushi (pressreis) zum mitnehmen ohne fisch :)
[18:43] <blindcoder> sushi hab ich erstmal genug
[18:44] <blindcoder> dojo weihnachtsfeier
[18:44] <blindcoder> 1000 stueck sushi hamma gemacht
[18:44] <ripclaw> :D ingerschnaps aus steinkruegen...
[18:44] <blindcoder> joar
[18:45] <blindcoder> naja, dieses WE bin ich erstmal bei meinen eltern
[18:45] <blindcoder> da wirds wieder schwierig, vernuenftig zu essen
[18:45] <ripclaw> meine kocehn schon vernuenftig wenn ich komm... sonst ess ich nicht.
[18:45] <blindcoder> heh, I wish...
[18:46] <ripclaw> i just told them i wont come if tis unhealthy
[18:47] <blindcoder> as if there was anything healthy during christmas season
[18:47] <blindcoder> pure, concentrated calories anywhere you look
[18:47] <blindcoder> or, as I like to call it
[18:47] <blindcoder> concentrated ugliness
[18:48] <ripclaw> reduce that amount to a fourth and fill it up with healty stuff... yoghurt 0,1% kraeutercream dip and karotten :)
[18:48] <blindcoder> haven't had anything christmasy yet
[18:49] <ripclaw> i did. 100o kalories sweet stuff in 3 weeks.
[18:49] <blindcoder> eating a single domino stone is probably a whole kilo of fat added to my already fugly body
[18:52] <ripclaw> take grams of protein or cabs times 4 and fat times 9. add up. everything above your daily allowance turns to fat. theres a 100-200 softlimit, but over 2000 it most likely turns...
[18:52] <blindcoder> like I said, 3 slices of bread and tap water
[18:52] <blindcoder> four months
[18:53] <blindcoder> no fucking change in weigcht or anything
[18:53] <ripclaw> 1kg fat is 90 000 
[18:53] Action: blindcoder is seriously considering saving up for an operation
[18:53] <blindcoder> isn't it 3500?
[18:53] <ripclaw> sorry, didnt follow that up... was going to say liegestuetzen
[18:53] <ripclaw> :)
[18:54] <blindcoder> 90000 liegestuetzen?
[18:54] <ripclaw> no not really...  
[18:54] <blindcoder> I can do... four
[18:54] <ripclaw> j/k
[18:54] <ripclaw> 1kg=1000gx9
[18:54] <ripclaw> or x36 if you want kilojoule
[18:55] <blindcoder> I've always been told 1 kg fat == 3500 calories
[18:55] <blindcoder> or kilocalories, correctly
[18:55] <ripclaw> no wonder you don`t change weight, your body goes to hunger mode, burns almost nothing. if you eat more, you will be extremely hungry at first. try going almost exclusively for salad and stuff... 50%
[18:56] <blindcoder> well.. .what now?
[18:56] <blindcoder> exclusively or 50%?
[18:57] <ripclaw> as much as you like, min 50% - if you eat it only, you deprive yourself of minerals or other stuff as vitamins. 
[18:57] <ripclaw> 50% vegetables min.
[18:57] <blindcoder> then I'd better go shopping now
[18:58] <blindcoder> since I usually have zero food at home
[18:58] <ripclaw> ok, carbs are 4kcal/g, proteins ar 4kcal/g, alcohol is 7kcal/g fat is 9. balast food is 2.
[18:58] <blindcoder> least I unconsciously get up and eat something
[18:58] <ripclaw> dont shop hungry !!!
[18:58] <blindcoder> meh, I don't feel hungry right now
[18:58] <ripclaw> read that core book. he has some really good handson tims.
[18:58] <blindcoder> besides, you have to shop sometimes
[18:59] <ripclaw> i eat, and then go shopping. reduced the amount and nastyness of stuff :)
[18:59] <blindcoder> no food here right now
[18:59] <blindcoder> well, two oranges, if you want to count that
[18:59] <blindcoder> been in the fridge for around two weeks
[18:59] <ripclaw> thats food. heavy in sugar and good vitamins.
[19:01] <blindcoder> so no good
[19:01] <ripclaw> since after hunger the body is trying to get lotsa, i would go for vegetables and ballast food first until you are at a normal eating level. a small dish every 3 hoours. (untertasse)
[19:01] <ripclaw> its good. but dont overeat on it.
[19:02] <blindcoder> like I said, those three slices are enough to not be hungry for a day
[19:02] <ripclaw> one or two are a 3hr meal. but if you eat 8-12 and drink some orange joice youre overdooing
[19:02] <blindcoder> so I guess I should be fine shopping
[19:02] <ripclaw> :)  and look at your drinks - i no longer cater coke etc.
[19:02] <blindcoder> he, that's for sure
[19:02] <blindcoder> after all, fruit juice has more calories than coke
[19:02] <blindcoder> I only drink tap water for over a year now
[19:02] <blindcoder> well, with a beer every now and then
[19:03] <daja77_> .oO (beer)
[19:04] <ripclaw> beer is liquid bread. look at the calorie inscription :) ist not bad, its one of the best isotonics around... but dont overdo it... there is more bad effect than just headache.
[19:04] <blindcoder> heh
[19:04] <blindcoder> well, worst case is two beers in the evening
[19:04] <blindcoder> rarely more than that
[19:04] <blindcoder> usually less
[19:04] <ripclaw> .3l or mass ?  ;)
[19:04] <blindcoder> .5l
[19:05] <ripclaw> thats almost as much as a full brotzeit :)
[19:05] <blindcoder> well, it's dinner
[19:05] <ripclaw> heh
[19:05] <ripclaw> well unless you drink anti-alcoholic diabethics beer... *yeuch*
[19:06] <blindcoder> that's not beer
[19:06] <ripclaw> its fscking close to water
[19:07] <blindcoder> there's a regulation on what is to be called beer
[19:07] <blindcoder> it's called 'reinheitsgebot'
[19:07] <blindcoder> everything else is !beer
[19:07] <ripclaw> like rootbeer, two dogs corona etc.
[19:07] <blindcoder> if it dosen't contain alcohol, it's not beer. period.
[19:08] <ripclaw> if it doesnt contain beer... :D
[19:09] <blindcoder> it's not worth drinking
[19:09] <daja77_> lol @ ml
[19:13] <ripclaw> apropos shinai - the dr. goto accident does tell you anything ? fragile little beasts...
[19:14] <blindcoder> sure does
[19:14] <blindcoder> it's among the first things you get told after picking up kendo
[19:15] <ripclaw> sambun always says thats one reason to use a bokken. it only bursts if you hit too hard :) and why he wont allow anything like that for newbies.
[19:15] <blindcoder> not too bad of an idea
[19:15] <blindcoder> still, it depends on what you want to achieve
[19:15] <ripclaw> he doesnt believe in having people care for complicated stuff.. its like bokken inspection is quick and thats it.
[19:16] <blindcoder> hapkido isn't kendo, after all
[19:16] <ripclaw> yes and no. corea has no own kendo. thats part of the hapkido/ksw etc. there.
[19:16] <blindcoder> yeah, worst that can happen to a bokken is 'holzwuermer'
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[19:17] <ripclaw> no. its a bokken made from bad wood or with the wood maserung in the wrong direction - when it breaks you have a razorsharp object made out of hardwood.
[19:18] <ripclaw> thats as lethal as the real thing. but you see it instantly.
[19:18] <ripclaw> and hear it.
[19:19] <blindcoder> hm
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[19:22] <owl> re
[19:22] <ripclaw> bock
[19:34] <th> ripclaw: updating OOo to 1.1.5 seems useless to me.
[19:35] <ripclaw> ?
[19:35] <th> well there is a stable 2.1.0 already
[19:37] <ripclaw> if i continue that thought - then why is 1.14 still in ?
[19:37] <th> because no one updated it
[19:38] <ripclaw> i suspect the amount of breakage in 1.1.5 is less... thats why i changed just a few numbers... no deeper logic.
[19:49] <ripclaw> anyway - outta here for today.
[19:49] Nick change: ripclaw -> ripclaw_away
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[22:06] <owl> .oO( ircsex ) 
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[22:20] <madtux> is that an invitation?
[22:25] <madtux> owl: ?
[22:25] Action: madtux grins
[22:25] <daja77_> hrhr
[22:25] <owl> *lol* no
[22:25] <madtux> bah
[22:25] <owl> i thought about blindy's in-out-games :)
[22:25] <madtux> why do u play with my feelings?
[22:25] <owl> hi madtux , daja77_ btw :)
[22:26] <madtux> hey daja77_ nice to see u still around
[22:26] <owl> why should i play just with your feelings? :) 
[22:26] <madtux> owl: that exactly what i mean
[22:26] <madtux> :)
[22:26] <owl> *giggle* heh, that's what men are for :)
[22:28] <daja77_> <- hangover daja
[22:28] <madtux> daja77_: oh man
[22:28] <madtux> naughty girl
[22:29] <owl> *smiling innocently*
[22:30] <madtux> hehe
[22:33] <owl> how are you, madtux ?
[22:33] <madtux> doing good thanks
[22:33] <madtux> just waiting for my shift to be over
[22:33] <madtux> need some rest
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