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[06:50] <blindcoder> moin
[08:01] <stf^rocklinux> moin 2
[08:15] <stf^rocklinux> th: I can actually reproduce the module autoloading problem. A possible fix is in 2007013008122320791, please tell me if it works for you too.
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[15:52] <blindcoder> so, is clifford now randomly applying patches that he likes?
[15:54] <daja77> dunno but he is doing builds again afaik
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[17:04] <blindcoder> yeah, but one of the patches was just hours old
[17:04] <blindcoder> that must be a _big_ _bad_ machine
[17:13] <daja77> :)
[18:04] <stf^rocklinux> yeah, clifford did at least one reference build recently, of which he applied the results (cache files) to trunk
[18:07] <stf^rocklinux> at least I assume it was him because he has done reference builds in the past, too ;)
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[20:46] <blindcoder> Pilot: ping
[20:47] <blindcoder> Pilot: I've found out why my eth1 is up directly after boot
[20:47] <blindcoder> Pilot: net.agent from the hotplug package calls '/sbin/ifup <device>'
[20:48] <Pilot> fuck hotplug
[20:48] <Pilot> sometimes it's braindead
[20:48] <Pilot> but...
[20:49] <Pilot> /etc/net's ifup is aware of it and can really set interface up, if USE_HOTPLUG is set to yes
[20:49] <blindcoder> I changed it now to ifup device boot skiphot
[20:49] <Pilot> works fine for PCMCIA and so
[20:49] <blindcoder> Pilot: yeah, but net.agent sets IN_HOTPLUG, not USE_HOTPLUG
[20:50] <Pilot> it's correct
[20:51] <blindcoder> hmm
[20:51] <Pilot> ah
[20:51] <Pilot> i finally recalled id
[20:52] <Pilot> it is necessary to patch hotplug and pcmcia services to call ifup-removable instead of ifup
[20:52] <Pilot> and ifdown-removable where appropriate
[20:52] <blindcoder> hmm
[20:52] <blindcoder> how to recognise if it is appropriate?
[20:53] <blindcoder> my ethernet card isn't really removable :)
[20:54] <blindcoder> btw, I don't have the -removable variants
[20:57] <Pilot> it's quite simple
[20:57] <Pilot> the distribution hardcodes hotplug to call *-removable
[20:58] <Pilot> /etc/net by default ignores those calls (USE_HOTPLUG=no)
[20:58] <Pilot> but specific distribution can override this in /etc/net/options.d to make desktop users' life easier
[20:59] <Pilot> i don't think it's a good idea though
[20:59] <blindcoder> well, for my special case it is :)
[20:59] <Pilot> then, if you really need a hotplugged interface, you configure it with USE_HOTPLUG=yes
[21:00] <Pilot> if you have only hardwired ones, you configure them with ONBOOT=yes and that's all
[21:00] <blindcoder> they're not hardwired
[21:00] <blindcoder> at least, the wireless lan isn't
[21:00] <blindcoder> and I need it only configured from init.d/network, not hotplug
[21:01] <blindcoder> so I guess I'll configure it
[21:01] <blindcoder> ONBOOT=1
[21:01] <blindcoder> USE_HOTPLUG=0
[21:01] <blindcoder> and then run ifup device boot skiphot from hotplugs net.agent?
[21:05] <Pilot> errr
[21:06] <Pilot> i don't get if you want OS to react to device insertion/removal or not
[21:06] <Pilot> that's the main question
[21:06] <blindcoder> there is no insertion/removal
[21:06] <blindcoder> the device is recognised by hotplug
[21:06] <blindcoder> but I don't want it started from there
[21:08] <blindcoder> so I guess the answer is "I don't want it to react on insertion/removal"
[21:09] <Pilot> Ok. then basically you should have the standard option set
[21:09] <Pilot> ONBOOT=1
[21:09] <Pilot> USE_HOTPLUG=0
[21:09] <Pilot> MODULE=<ipw123_or_whatever>
[21:09] <Pilot> of course, hotplug must be patched
[21:11] <blindcoder> yeah
[21:11] <blindcoder> I patched hotplug to call ifup device boot skiphot
[21:14] <Pilot> not the correct way
[21:15] <Pilot> those flags are intended for correct boot sequence
[21:16] <blindcoder> well, lacking the if{up,down}-removable scripts, where do I get those?
[21:17] <Pilot> /etc/net/scripts
[21:17] <blindcoder> ah
[21:18] <blindcoder> so, instead of /sbin/ifup I make hotplug call those?
[21:18] <Pilot> precisely
[21:18] <Pilot> i can give you an account on an ALTLinux machine
[21:19] <Pilot> most things are made to work together there already
[21:21] <blindcoder> that'd be great
[21:21] <blindcoder> can you send login information to blindcoder@scavenger.homeip.net?
[21:21] <blindcoder> PGP key is available on the same account by using finger
[21:26] <blindcoder> anyway, naptime for me
[21:26] <blindcoder> I've patched net.agent to call ifup-removable device hotplug
[21:26] <blindcoder> let's see if that's correct tomorrow morning :)
[21:26] <blindcoder> thanks!
[21:52] <Pilot> blindcoder: sent creds. time to go to bed too
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