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[08:43] <blindcoder> moin [08:57] <stf^rocklinux> hi [08:58] <blindcoder> hi stf^rocklinux [09:34] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [09:35] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@pallas.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [10:45] esden (n=esden@p57AEBE67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) joined #rocklinux. [12:16] <netrunner> highly addictive: https://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/ [13:00] Pilot (i=pilot@moscow.etcnet.org) joined #rocklinux. [13:20] <th> can anyone recommend a color-laser-printer which can print A3? [13:25] <blindcoder> netrunner: I hate you :P [13:33] <th> anyone booted from usb-storage yet? [13:34] <daja77> i was only asked about it [13:34] <th> would i have to create partitions on it just as on a hdd? or would it play fd? [13:37] <th> propably a bios question [13:37] <daja77> yep [13:37] <th> you have any idea? [13:38] <daja77> some boot from sticks with parts and some without [13:38] <daja77> this is called superdisc format or sth [13:40] <th> oh how smart: our installer (not the new one) includes grub userland but not the required stages for installing it [13:45] <blindcoder> th: grub is installed from the installed system [13:45] <blindcoder> th: not the installer [13:46] <th> yea - thus making the installer (which is also called rescue somewhere) unusable for rescue operations where you need to rewrite the mbr [13:47] <blindcoder> hmm, true [13:49] <th> but if you have the gems for grub and diffutils, then you can just "mine -i" them and use grub-install [13:52] <blindcoder> why diffutils? [13:55] <th> because grub-install needs `cmp` [13:55] <th> but it worked [13:55] <th> on usb stick [13:55] <th> just mounted it (/dev/sdc1) as vfat on /boot [13:56] <th> did mine -i for grub+diffutils [13:56] <th> ein ran grub-install /dev/sdc [13:56] <th> s/ein/and/ [14:03] Nick change: blindcoder -> deafcoder [14:04] Nick change: deafcoder -> blindcoder [14:10] ubijtsa (n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk) left irc: Remote closed the connection [14:23] <netrunner> th: the installation system is well usable for rewriting the mbr. you just use the stages already installed in the system. [14:24] <netrunner> th: if you don't have them, you have probably lost much more. [15:12] stf^rock1inux (n=user@M1215P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [15:13] <th> netrunner: what if you dont have a installed system? what if you have a bootdisk target without packages? [15:14] <blindcoder> then you don't need a mbr either :) [15:14] <th> of course i do [15:14] <blindcoder> with no system? [15:14] <blindcoder> no [15:14] <th> for rescue systems [15:14] <th> nfs root [15:15] <th> whatever root [15:15] <th> usually installing a rescue system on a system is what i do prior to installing the productive system [15:15] <blindcoder> hmm [15:15] <th> then i use this system to install the productive system [15:15] <th> this totally makes sense to me [15:15] <th> because i can do the latter from remote [15:15] <th> i only need to bootstrap a server with the boot-system [15:16] <th> then i can do the productive yadda yadda later / from remote [15:16] <blindcoder> I talked to stf^rock1inux about making both the installer and the initrd able to ssh into [15:16] <th> yea the rescue system is sshable [15:16] <th> that's the reason why i want to have it even if i do not have the production system yet [15:17] <th> i usually get my gems for the prod-system via http or ssh [15:17] <th> and that's how i update a system. [15:17] <th> booting into the ssh-able rescue system [15:17] <th> and re-gemming ;) [15:18] <blindcoder> well, once the initrd is sshable, you won't need that anymore :) [15:18] <th> and how will you get this installed without having or installing a productive system? [15:18] <th> i guess you need grub stages in initrd then [15:18] <th> and exactly that was my starting point [15:18] <blindcoder> no [15:18] <th> ssh-able initrd is propably somehow comparable to my rescue system [15:19] <blindcoder> because the initrd can completely set up the real system [15:19] <th> ok - how do you boot your sshable initrd?? [15:19] <blindcoder> powering on the machine? [15:19] <blindcoder> oh [15:19] <th> where does it come from? MBR? [15:20] <blindcoder> yeah, yeah, I get your point [15:20] <th> nice ;) [15:20] <blindcoder> if the mbr is broken [15:20] <blindcoder> I'd boot from the network [15:20] <blindcoder> and have a full-blown rescue system there [15:20] <th> so please understand that i'd like to be able to install MBR without prod-system [15:20] <blindcoder> which means we need the complete grub stuff on the rescue/install system [15:21] <th> booting from network requires some infrastructure that is not always available to you in most housing locations [15:21] <th> tftpd special dhcp-options... [15:21] <blindcoder> well, even hetzner has that :) [15:21] <blindcoder> anyway [15:21] <blindcoder> putting the whole grub on the installer is a good idea [15:21] <th> this is why i want to have the server bootstrapped and be able to boot into something usable prior having the prod [15:21] <blindcoder> make it so </nerd> :) [15:22] <th> i do. since 3 years or so ;) [15:22] <blindcoder> so where's the patch? [15:22] <th> and i call the "installer" just "rescue system" [15:22] <th> see rescue target in trunk [15:23] <th> and i once published my irfs patch. for which i waited for feedback/discussion before making it a rock packaghe [15:23] <blindcoder> what's the difference between the rescue and the installer target? [15:23] <th> you're referring to the bootdisk target i assume? [15:23] <blindcoder> yeah [15:24] <th> well. rescue is overlayable. rescue is sshable. rescue has rescue tools (bootdisk does not even have tar). ... [15:24] <th> endless list ;) [15:24] <th> rescue is installable [15:24] <blindcoder> okay, let me rephrase that question [15:24] <blindcoder> is rescue suitable to replace bootdisk on a hand-out CD? [15:24] <th> (i'd have continued with the disadvantages now. thanks for interrupting me ;-] ) [15:25] <th> not at the moment because i could not find the resources yet to migrate it to udev [15:25] <th> so prior 2.6.13: yes it is. [15:25] <blindcoder> so I just put it in my drive and stone starts? [15:26] <blindcoder> and i get a nice isolinux greeting screen? [15:26] <th> if you enter s t o n e d <ENTER> [15:26] stf^rocklinux (n=user@M1426P008.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [15:26] <th> might be that the rescue isolinux screen is not as "nice" but that's propably the easiest thing to change [15:27] <blindcoder> if we can, maybe we should merge them [15:27] <blindcoder> to reduce the number of duplicated work/unnecessary targets [15:28] <th> i never ever tried to hinder [15:28] <th> in contrary [15:28] <th> i started some discussion about the rescue more than once [15:29] <blindcoder> maybe you shdould just 'do' instead of 'talk' [15:30] <th> talking is not what i do INSTEAD of doing but as a prerequisite [15:30] <th> and if the talks end in too much upsetness on the communitysite i wont push my ideas into rock. [15:30] <blindcoder> well, I've found that with the diminishing number of developers, talking gets me nowhere [15:31] <th> not talking makes "a few-developer-project" to "few a-developer-projects" [15:33] <blindcoder> exactly [15:34] <th> thats why i stick to talking before doing [15:35] <blindcoder> yeah, but there's rarely if ever feedback [15:35] <daja77> well i am not that much emotionally attached to the bootdisk target ... [15:35] <blindcoder> and that make blindcoder sad :( [15:35] <daja77> so if you have have an installabe cd, i could try my laptop ... [15:36] <th> daja77: as i said "< th> not at the moment because i could not find the resources yet to migrate it to udev" [15:36] <daja77> d'oh :) [15:36] <th> daja77: with "at the moment" meaning "since 2.6.13" [15:36] <daja77> i know [15:36] <th> that's why i'm trying to find resources to do the migration [15:36] <daja77> i patched the 2.6.13 to have devfs ... [15:36] <th> thats what i dont want to do [15:37] <daja77> ack [15:37] <th> i have my not-yet-rocked version of irfs based bootsystem for my prod systems [15:37] <daja77> that's why i don't have a newer kernel at home atm [15:39] Action: blindcoder is running happily on 2.6.20.1 now ^^ [15:39] <daja77> poser [15:39] <daja77> at work i have a 2.6.19 [15:40] <th> yea i'm with 2.6.20.1 as well [15:40] Action: netrunner cannot circumvent new kernels due to sata [15:40] <th> daja77: we're no posers. you're just too yesterday. [15:40] <th> ;-) [15:41] <daja77> i like you too ... [15:41] <th> new scsi stuff requires recent kernels as well... :-/ [15:41] <th> daja77: NOI [15:41] <daja77> no? [15:41] <th> nope. i promise. [15:41] <th> ;-) [15:42] <daja77> haters [15:42] <daja77> ^^ [15:42] <blindcoder> *pose* [15:42] <blindcoder> SysInfo: Linux 2.6.20.1-rock | Dual Pentium III (Coppermine) 803.648 MHz | Bogomips: 3225.49 | Mem: 186/374M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 694.82G Free: 472.35G | Procs: 116 | Uptime: 20 hrs 4 mins 30 secs | Load: 0.49 0.32 0.22 | Vpenis: 119.6 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA TNT] (rev 04) | eth0: In: 3.15G Out: 2.54G [15:43] <daja77> blindcoder is teh uberposer [15:43] <blindcoder> hehe [15:43] <th> *wuerg* [15:44] <daja77> apart from the uptime 20hrs thing [15:44] <blindcoder> daja77: kernel update :) [15:44] <blindcoder> and probably broken hardware [15:44] <blindcoder> unexplainable system freezes [15:47] Action: blindcoder going home now [15:48] <daja77> hf [15:54] _BoS_ (n=bodo@dslb-088-072-032-186.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [16:07] _BoS__ (n=bodo@dslb-088-072-062-007.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [16:33] Pilot (i=pilot@moscow.etcnet.org) left irc: "left" [17:44] <daja77> anyone planning to kill me if i check that damn ruby update just in? [17:46] <blindcoder> hehehe [17:46] <blindcoder> beryl working :D [17:46] <daja77> :) [17:46] <blindcoder> noone uses ruby, so just do it :) [17:46] <daja77> <- does [17:46] <blindcoder> beryl needs a bunch of gnome packages that aren't CORE though :( [17:47] <daja77> yeah [18:47] esden (n=esden@p57AEBE67.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) left irc: [18:58] ubijtsa (n=ubijtsa@karlsson.force9.co.uk) joined #rocklinux. [19:34] <th> 17:42:24 < daja77> anyone planning to kill me if i check that damn ruby update just in? [19:34] <th> which update? [19:34] Action: th uses ruby too from time to time. [19:35] <th> the rubygems update? [19:35] <th> user-guru? [19:36] <th> -[D] 895496965 rubygems-0.8.11.tgz https://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/5207/rubygems-0.8.11.tgz [19:36] <th> isn't that wrong syntax anyways? [19:36] <blindcoder> it is [19:36] <th> and it's in for > 2 weeks [19:36] <th> for non-core [19:37] <th> i think it's fair enough to commit this one [19:37] <th> will do [19:37] deafcoder (n=blindcod@dslb-088-073-094-153.pools.arcor-ip.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:37] blindcoder (n=blindcod@dslb-088-074-025-013.pools.arcor-ip.net) left irc: Nick collision from services. [19:38] Nick change: deafcoder -> blindcoder [20:02] <blindcoder> err [20:02] <blindcoder> have I gone blind? [20:02] <blindcoder> how can I discard patches in submaster? [20:02] <blindcoder> aah [20:02] <blindcoder> it's already rejected [20:03] <daja77> th: package/michiel/ruby [20:04] <daja77> we had 1.8.4, current stable is 1.8.5-p12 [20:04] <th> blindcoder: yea sorry about that wesnoth one [20:04] <th> daja77: what's the smid? [20:04] <daja77> 1.8.4 brake the soap support for ruby [20:04] <daja77> all my sm repos are damaged atm [20:04] <daja77> so i committed that one [20:05] <th> i think i do not have a single "sm repo" [20:05] <daja77> yea anyway, i will recreate some [21:25] ija_ (n=ija@84.19.215.226) joined #rocklinux. [21:40] ija (n=ija@84.19.222.31) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [21:55] Nick change: ija_ -> ija [23:17] stf^rocklinux (n=user@M1321P022.adsl.highway.telekom.at) joined #rocklinux. [23:32] stf^rock1inux (n=user@M1215P028.adsl.highway.telekom.at) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [00:00] --- Fri Mar 9 2007