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[08:43] <blindcoder> moin
[08:57] <stf^rocklinux> hi
[08:58] <blindcoder> hi stf^rocklinux 
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[12:16] <netrunner> highly addictive: http://www.handdrawngames.com/DesktopTD/
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[13:20] <th> can anyone recommend a color-laser-printer which can print A3?
[13:25] <blindcoder> netrunner: I hate you :P
[13:33] <th> anyone booted from usb-storage yet?
[13:34] <daja77> i was only asked about it
[13:34] <th> would i have to create partitions on it just as on a hdd? or would it play fd?
[13:37] <th> propably a bios question
[13:37] <daja77> yep
[13:37] <th> you have any idea?
[13:38] <daja77> some boot from sticks with parts and some without
[13:38] <daja77> this is called superdisc format or sth
[13:40] <th> oh how smart: our installer (not the new one) includes grub userland but not the required stages for installing it
[13:45] <blindcoder> th: grub is installed from the installed system
[13:45] <blindcoder> th: not the installer
[13:46] <th> yea - thus making the installer (which is also called rescue somewhere) unusable for rescue operations where you need to rewrite the mbr
[13:47] <blindcoder> hmm, true
[13:49] <th> but if you have the gems for grub and diffutils, then you can just "mine -i" them and use grub-install
[13:52] <blindcoder> why diffutils?
[13:55] <th> because grub-install needs `cmp`
[13:55] <th> but it worked
[13:55] <th> on usb stick
[13:55] <th> just mounted it (/dev/sdc1) as vfat on /boot
[13:56] <th> did mine -i for grub+diffutils
[13:56] <th> ein ran grub-install /dev/sdc
[13:56] <th> s/ein/and/
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[14:23] <netrunner> th: the installation system is well usable for rewriting the mbr. you just use the stages already installed in the system.
[14:24] <netrunner> th: if you don't have them, you have probably lost much more.
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[15:13] <th> netrunner: what if you dont have a installed system? what if you have a bootdisk target without packages?
[15:14] <blindcoder> then you don't need a mbr either :)
[15:14] <th> of course i do
[15:14] <blindcoder> with no system?
[15:14] <blindcoder> no
[15:14] <th> for rescue systems
[15:14] <th> nfs root
[15:15] <th> whatever root
[15:15] <th> usually installing a rescue system on a system is what i do prior to installing the productive system
[15:15] <blindcoder> hmm
[15:15] <th> then i use this system to install the productive system
[15:15] <th> this totally makes sense to me
[15:15] <th> because i can do the latter from remote
[15:15] <th> i only need to bootstrap a server with the boot-system
[15:16] <th> then i can do the productive yadda yadda later / from remote
[15:16] <blindcoder> I talked to stf^rock1inux about making both the installer and the initrd able to ssh into
[15:16] <th> yea the rescue system is sshable
[15:16] <th> that's the reason why i want to have it even if i do not have the production system yet
[15:17] <th> i usually get my gems for the prod-system via http or ssh
[15:17] <th> and that's how i update a system.
[15:17] <th> booting into the ssh-able rescue system
[15:17] <th> and re-gemming ;)
[15:18] <blindcoder> well, once the initrd is sshable, you won't need that anymore :)
[15:18] <th> and how will you get this installed without having or installing a productive system?
[15:18] <th> i guess you need grub stages in initrd then
[15:18] <th> and exactly that was my starting point
[15:18] <blindcoder> no
[15:18] <th> ssh-able initrd is propably somehow comparable to my rescue system
[15:19] <blindcoder> because the initrd can completely set up the real system
[15:19] <th> ok - how do you boot your sshable initrd??
[15:19] <blindcoder> powering on the machine?
[15:19] <blindcoder> oh
[15:19] <th> where does it come from? MBR?
[15:20] <blindcoder> yeah, yeah, I get your point
[15:20] <th> nice ;)
[15:20] <blindcoder> if the mbr is broken
[15:20] <blindcoder> I'd boot from the network
[15:20] <blindcoder> and have a full-blown rescue system there
[15:20] <th> so please understand that i'd like to be able to install MBR without prod-system
[15:20] <blindcoder> which means we need the complete grub stuff on the rescue/install system
[15:21] <th> booting from network requires some infrastructure that is not always available to you in most housing locations
[15:21] <th> tftpd special dhcp-options...
[15:21] <blindcoder> well, even hetzner has that :)
[15:21] <blindcoder> anyway
[15:21] <blindcoder> putting the whole grub on the installer is a good idea
[15:21] <th> this is why i want to have the server bootstrapped and be able to boot into something usable prior having the prod
[15:21] <blindcoder> make it so </nerd> :)
[15:22] <th> i do. since 3 years or so ;)
[15:22] <blindcoder> so where's the patch?
[15:22] <th> and i call the "installer" just "rescue system"
[15:22] <th> see rescue target in trunk
[15:23] <th> and i once published my irfs patch. for which i waited for feedback/discussion before making it a rock packaghe
[15:23] <blindcoder> what's the difference between the rescue and the installer target?
[15:23] <th> you're referring to the bootdisk target i assume?
[15:23] <blindcoder> yeah
[15:24] <th> well. rescue is overlayable. rescue is sshable. rescue has rescue tools (bootdisk does not even have tar). ...
[15:24] <th> endless list ;)
[15:24] <th> rescue is installable
[15:24] <blindcoder> okay, let me rephrase that question
[15:24] <blindcoder> is rescue suitable to replace bootdisk on a hand-out CD?
[15:24] <th> (i'd have continued with the disadvantages now. thanks for interrupting me ;-] )
[15:25] <th> not at the moment because i could not find the resources yet to migrate it to udev
[15:25] <th> so prior 2.6.13: yes it is.
[15:25] <blindcoder> so I just put it in my drive and stone starts?
[15:26] <blindcoder> and i get a nice isolinux greeting screen?
[15:26] <th> if you enter s t o n e d <ENTER>
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[15:26] <th> might be that the rescue isolinux screen is not as "nice" but that's propably the easiest thing to change
[15:27] <blindcoder> if we can, maybe we should merge them
[15:27] <blindcoder> to reduce the number of duplicated work/unnecessary targets
[15:28] <th> i never ever tried to hinder
[15:28] <th> in contrary
[15:28] <th> i started some discussion about the rescue more than once
[15:29] <blindcoder> maybe you shdould just 'do' instead of 'talk'
[15:30] <th> talking is not what i do INSTEAD of doing but as a prerequisite
[15:30] <th> and if the talks end in too much upsetness on the communitysite i wont push my ideas into rock.
[15:30] <blindcoder> well, I've found that with the diminishing number of developers, talking gets me nowhere
[15:31] <th> not talking makes "a few-developer-project" to "few a-developer-projects"
[15:33] <blindcoder> exactly
[15:34] <th> thats why i stick to talking before doing
[15:35] <blindcoder> yeah, but there's rarely if ever feedback
[15:35] <daja77> well i am not that much emotionally attached to the bootdisk target ...
[15:35] <blindcoder> and that make blindcoder sad :(
[15:35] <daja77> so if you have have an installabe cd, i could try my laptop ...
[15:36] <th> daja77: as i said "< th> not at the moment because i could not find the resources yet to migrate it to udev"
[15:36] <daja77> d'oh :)
[15:36] <th> daja77: with "at the moment" meaning "since 2.6.13"
[15:36] <daja77> i know
[15:36] <th> that's why i'm trying to find resources to do the migration
[15:36] <daja77> i patched the 2.6.13 to have devfs ...
[15:36] <th> thats what i dont want to do
[15:37] <daja77> ack
[15:37] <th> i have my not-yet-rocked version of irfs based bootsystem for my prod systems
[15:37] <daja77> that's why i don't have a newer kernel at home atm
[15:39] Action: blindcoder is running happily on now ^^
[15:39] <daja77> poser
[15:39] <daja77> at work i have a 2.6.19
[15:40] <th> yea i'm with as well
[15:40] Action: netrunner cannot circumvent new kernels due to sata
[15:40] <th> daja77: we're no posers. you're just too yesterday.
[15:40] <th> ;-)
[15:41] <daja77> i like you too ...
[15:41] <th> new scsi stuff requires recent kernels as well... :-/
[15:41] <th> daja77: NOI
[15:41] <daja77> no?
[15:41] <th> nope. i promise.
[15:41] <th> ;-)
[15:42] <daja77> haters
[15:42] <daja77> ^^
[15:42] <blindcoder> *pose*
[15:42] <blindcoder> SysInfo: Linux | Dual Pentium III (Coppermine) 803.648 MHz | Bogomips: 3225.49 | Mem: 186/374M [||||||||||] | Diskspace: 694.82G Free: 472.35G | Procs: 116 | Uptime: 20 hrs 4 mins 30 secs | Load: 0.49 0.32 0.22  | Vpenis: 119.6 cm | Screen: nVidia Corporation NV4 [RIVA TNT] (rev 04) | eth0: In: 3.15G Out: 2.54G 
[15:43] <daja77> blindcoder is teh uberposer
[15:43] <blindcoder> hehe
[15:43] <th> *wuerg*
[15:44] <daja77> apart from the uptime 20hrs thing
[15:44] <blindcoder> daja77: kernel update :)
[15:44] <blindcoder> and probably broken hardware
[15:44] <blindcoder> unexplainable system freezes
[15:47] Action: blindcoder going home now
[15:48] <daja77> hf
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[17:44] <daja77> anyone planning to kill me if i check that damn ruby update just in?
[17:46] <blindcoder> hehehe
[17:46] <blindcoder> beryl working :D
[17:46] <daja77> :)
[17:46] <blindcoder> noone uses ruby, so just do it :)
[17:46] <daja77> <- does
[17:46] <blindcoder> beryl needs a bunch of gnome packages that aren't CORE though :(
[17:47] <daja77> yeah
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[19:34] <th> 17:42:24 < daja77> anyone planning to kill me if i check that damn ruby update just in?
[19:34] <th> which update?
[19:34] Action: th uses ruby too from time to time.
[19:35] <th> the rubygems update?
[19:35] <th> user-guru?
[19:36] <th> -[D] 895496965 rubygems-0.8.11.tgz http://rubyforge.org/frs/download.php/5207/rubygems-0.8.11.tgz
[19:36] <th> isn't that wrong syntax anyways?
[19:36] <blindcoder> it is
[19:36] <th> and it's in for > 2 weeks
[19:36] <th> for non-core
[19:37] <th> i think it's fair enough to commit this one
[19:37] <th> will do
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[20:02] <blindcoder> err
[20:02] <blindcoder> have I gone blind?
[20:02] <blindcoder> how can I discard patches in submaster?
[20:02] <blindcoder> aah
[20:02] <blindcoder> it's already rejected
[20:03] <daja77> th: package/michiel/ruby
[20:04] <daja77> we had 1.8.4, current stable is 1.8.5-p12
[20:04] <th> blindcoder: yea sorry about that wesnoth one
[20:04] <th> daja77: what's the smid?
[20:04] <daja77> 1.8.4 brake the soap support for ruby
[20:04] <daja77> all my sm repos are damaged atm
[20:04] <daja77> so i committed that one
[20:05] <th> i think i do not have a single "sm repo"
[20:05] <daja77> yea anyway, i will recreate some
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