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[07:03] kasc (n=kasc@p508EDF73.dip.t-dialin.net) left irc: Read error: 113 (No route to host) [08:02] <blindcoder> hmm, 5-thunderbird failing with assembler errors [08:02] Action: blindcoder shoots mozilla [08:22] Action: esden shoots common lisp wiki implementations ^^ [08:22] <blindcoder> clist wiki implementations? that's just... ewww [08:22] <blindcoder> that's almost as bad as wikis in bash ;) [08:22] <esden> you be quiet! :P [08:23] <esden> if it would be zsh at least ^^ [08:23] Action: blindcoder whistles innocently [08:23] <blindcoder> I would have had to ask sveng about that [08:23] Action: esden is zsh fan since some time! :) [08:23] <blindcoder> I'm sure he can do it in under 20 lines of zsh ;) [08:23] <esden> hehe ^^ ... I can imagine that [08:24] <blindcoder> esden: I'll be in Ingolstadt from the evening of the 20th until early january [08:24] <blindcoder> esden: how about you? [08:25] <esden> well my .zshrc and .zshrc.global contain 3391 lines of code ... so if there would be a wiki somewhere in that I would not wonder ^^ [08:26] <blindcoder> wtf? [08:26] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fortuna:~$ wc -l .profile tor_aliases_v9 103 .profile 264 tor_aliases_v9 367 total [08:26] <blindcoder> half of that is root-only, half of the rest is comments [08:27] <esden> blindcoder: well ... I am in poland for xmas ... after that I am in berlin for 25C3 ... and then I come to munich probably and as it seems I will organize silvester at my home in garching ^^ [08:27] <blindcoder> I don't want to program a shell to run it in another one :P [08:27] <blindcoder> ah, alright then. [08:27] <blindcoder> I won't be at the C3 this year [08:27] <esden> well the contents of .zshrc and .zshrc.global are from the grml distribution of zsh ^^ [08:27] <esden> it contains a lot of usefull stuff [08:28] <esden> blindcoder: I know ... you already told me that you will not attend this year [08:28] <blindcoder> last I checked the schedule it was mostly politics [08:28] <blindcoder> I can get enough of that elsewhere [08:28] <esden> but I already promissed some people that I will be there [08:28] <esden> well ... not really ... in hall 2 there are very interesting technical talks [08:28] <esden> also [08:29] <esden> and I am there to meet some people ... like Bre Pettis for example [08:29] <blindcoder> I'll make sure to record the streams ;) [08:29] <esden> and some fellow lisp guys [08:29] <blindcoder> who's that? [08:29] <esden> the Maker guru!! :) [08:29] Action: blindcoder looks sheepishly at esden [08:29] <blindcoder> the WHAT guru? [08:30] <esden> DIY? ... [08:30] <esden> http://brepettis.com/ [08:30] <rocklogbot> bre pettis: http://brepettis.com/ [08:31] <esden> hurgh? [08:31] <esden> what was that!!! [08:31] <blindcoder> ah, Make Magazine, now I think I know what you're talking about [08:31] <blindcoder> yeah, that's what happens when people post links without saying what they are about ;) [08:31] <blindcoder> for example: [08:31] <blindcoder> http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b7c295e7 [08:31] <rocklogbot> [l] Ich mache gerade einen kleinen Test, bei dem ihr mir helfen könnt, wenn ihr Lust habt. Es g...: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b7c295e7 [08:32] <blindcoder> I made that for another channel, where people mostly paste links that don't say anything about the content (like spiegel.de or stern.de links) [08:33] <esden> aaaahhh ooook ... ^^ [08:33] <blindcoder> so then it outputs the <title> for most pages, but there are special handlers for fefe or wikipedia [08:33] <esden> crazy shit ^^ [08:33] <blindcoder> meh, just a bash script interacting with ii :-) [08:34] <blindcoder> anyway, I gotta admit being somewhat ouf of touch with the hacker community [08:34] <blindcoder> the communities in berlin feel either very isolated or unorganised to the brink of falling apart [08:36] <blindcoder> so now I'm stuck rewriting 10.000+ lines of perl into OO-Perl. Oh joy... [08:42] <esden> niiiicccee ^^ [08:42] <esden> ahh ... apropos pearl [08:42] <esden> the popb4smtp.pl on fortuna is still stopping to work from time to time ... and I have no idea why [08:43] <esden> the only way to get it running again is to kill the perl process and start it again [08:43] <esden> if and when you could look into it I would really appreciate that ... my parents are bothering me with that issue ... >_< [08:44] <esden> and second thing ... why the hell have you installed dovecot on fortuna ... that crappy thing is not handling imap directories as it should!!! ^^ [08:44] <blindcoder> esden: works for me (TM) [08:44] <blindcoder> no, seriously, what's it doing wrong? [08:45] <esden> it is not working with subdirectories [08:45] <blindcoder> hrm [08:45] <blindcoder> I'll have to try that. never used subdirs before [08:45] <esden> it should see Inbox.Lists.Rocklinux as a subdirectory but it is presenting them as separate directories with a crappy long name with dots [08:46] <esden> yes try it ... ^^ [08:47] <esden> as far as I found out till now ... dovecot just is not doing it ... it seems that the only way to get the problem gone is to use Cyrus >_< [08:47] <th> i'm using courier [08:47] <th> hi esden and blindy [08:47] <esden> hi th [08:47] <blindcoder> moin th [08:48] <blindcoder> esden: I don't see such a box in ~esdentem/Mail/ [08:48] <esden> ahh I asked our admin here ... the solution is to use maildir instead of mbox ... [08:48] <esden> errm? [08:48] <th> of course you should use maildir ;) [08:49] Action: blindcoder hugs his mboxes [08:49] <th> bahh [08:49] Action: blindcoder puts on his sheep dress [08:49] <blindcoder> baaaah [08:50] <esden> ~esdentem/Mail/Lists.beagleboard <- an example ... >_< [08:50] <blindcoder> esden: yeah, that's a mailbox, not a directory [08:50] Action: esden whacks blindcoder for not setting maildir as standard mailbox format on fortuna [08:51] <blindcoder> directories are delimited by a / not a . [08:51] <blindcoder> :) [08:51] <esden> uuuuhhh ... reallyyyyyy ... [08:51] Action: esden whacks blindcoder a bit more [08:51] <th> i use maildir and still use . as a delim [08:51] Action: blindcoder blows off the dust of his unix-for-dummies-book [08:52] <esden> th: ack ^^ [08:52] <blindcoder> esden: if you create a directory Lists and put an mbox beagleboard into it, the subdirectory thing works fine :) [08:52] <esden> murrrr [08:52] <esden> well [08:52] <blindcoder> anyway, I guess you can tell procmail to use maildir instead of mbox [08:53] <blindcoder> which dovecot will then pick up jut as fine [08:53] <esden> humm ... maybe ... yes ... but i am bit confused now how to convert that stuff to something that handles subdirectories correctly [08:54] <esden> but but but ... when I create new imap directory from client side it creates these strange mbox files [08:54] <esden> i think dovecot should be told also to use maildir instead of mbox ... no? [08:58] <blindcoder> you can do that, yeah [08:58] <blindcoder> I'm looking it up right now [08:58] <blindcoder> currently, the config is: [08:58] <blindcoder> mail_location = mbox:~/Mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u [08:58] <blindcoder> I guess one could append [08:59] <blindcoder> mail_location = mbox:~/Mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u:maildir:~/Maildir [09:03] <blindcoder> done [09:04] <esden> ook [09:04] <blindcoder> esden: I think I know why popb4smtp stops working [09:04] <blindcoder> esden: tail -f vs. tail -F [09:09] <esden> hrrm ... manpage does not say what the difference is ... could you enlighten me please? [09:10] <blindcoder> tail -f follows the inode [09:10] <blindcoder> tail -F follows the path/filename [09:10] <blindcoder> so if the logrotate does its job, tail -f follows the moved annd compressed file [09:10] <blindcoder> while -F closes the fd and reopens it on the original filename [09:15] <blindcoder> try it with this script: [09:16] <blindcoder> touch /tmp/foo; tail -f /tmp/foo & echo 1 >> /tmp/foo ; mv /tmp/foo /tmp/bar ; echo 2 >> /tmp/bar ; kill %1; tail -F /tmp/bar & echo 3 >> /tmp/bar ; mv /tmp/bar /tmp/foo ; echo 4 >>/tmp/foo ; echo 5 > /tmp/bar ; kill %1; rm /tmp/foo /tmp/bar [09:16] <blindcoder> you'll see: [09:16] <blindcoder> 1 [09:16] <blindcoder> 2 [09:16] <blindcoder> 3 [09:16] <blindcoder> 5 [09:28] <esden> ahh allright [09:28] <esden> thanks [09:28] <esden> hrrrm ... the maildir stuff is still a bit of a problem [09:29] <esden> I can convert my stuff to Maildir ... but still postfix will deliver to my mbox in /var/mail ... :/ [09:29] <esden> and I don't find a way to change that behaviour per user [09:30] <esden> humm ... theoretically I could create a procmail rule to deliver all mail to Maildir ... *thinking* [09:35] <blindcoder> esden: [09:35] <blindcoder> :0: [09:35] <blindcoder> ^ Subject: blafasel [09:35] <blindcoder> Lists/blafasel/ [09:35] <blindcoder> done [09:42] <esden> haha! [09:42] <esden> esdentem@fortuna ~ % cat .procmailrc [09:42] <esden> MAILDIR=/home/esdentem/Maildir [09:42] <esden> DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/ [09:42] <esden> esdentem@fortuna ~ % [09:42] <blindcoder> for a default, yes. but I'm not gonna sort 1k+ Mails a day manually [09:46] <esden> yes sure ^^ [09:46] <esden> but now I convert the directories I have in ~/Mail to ~/Maildir ... and then I can add the rules to .procmailrc [09:47] <blindcoder> ah [09:48] Action: blindcoder likes the new bittorrent tracker and client running on fortuna :-) [09:48] <blindcoder> no more 100% load :) [09:48] <blindcoder> and no more client crashes [10:19] <esden> blindcoder: ofyi the way you added mailbox is not working ... you have to use namespaces in dovecot to mix mbox and maildir [10:27] <blindcoder> damn :( [10:27] <blindcoder> can you do that? I'm currently fixing another problem with a SuXE system [10:28] <esden> yes I have changed that ... .Inbox is now /var/mail/%u ... and the directories can be made in $HOME/Maildir ... [10:28] <esden> at least it works this way for me [10:28] <esden> you have to test it for your mail ... hopefully it still works as it should [10:28] <esden> ^^ [10:30] <esden> it also may be that your mailboxes desappeared now ... :/ [10:30] <esden> but they are only non visible ... but still get mail delivered by procmail [10:36] Action: blindcoder opens roundcubemail [10:37] <blindcoder> hmm [10:37] <esden> ??? [10:37] <blindcoder> I can now only see my Inbox [10:37] <esden> aaaand? [10:37] <blindcoder> not my other boxes [10:37] <esden> that is what I feared [10:38] <blindcoder> and that's not good :( [10:38] <esden> the "easiest" way would be to convert everything to Maildir ^^ [10:38] <esden> *scratching_head* [10:38] <esden> with md2mb it is pretty easy to convert ^^ [10:39] <esden> md2mb -m [10:39] <esden> md2mb -s Mail -R [10:39] <esden> and that is it [10:39] <esden> well in the current case the second command would suffice [10:40] <esden> but then converting the .procmailrc rules ... :/ [10:40] <esden> aaaarrrrrgh [10:40] <blindcoder> also there's currently matthias, your parents, me, my gf and my parents using the server [10:40] <blindcoder> can't get them all to reconfigure their clients [10:41] <esden> well ... they don't have to [10:41] <esden> on the client side everything stays the same [10:44] <esden> well ... I have to find a way so that the mbox files in $HOME/Mail are still visible in imap [10:45] <blindcoder> esden: how about this: http://wiki.dovecot.org/QuestionsAndAnswers#head-ca096174a590558f7ad33420c3ccb62e989ac063 [10:46] Action: blindcoder nails esden to the floor [10:46] <blindcoder> location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u [10:46] <blindcoder> tell me what's wrong about this line and you get an extra shot of morphium [10:47] <blindcoder> aaaand there they are [10:47] <esden> grosskleinschreibung? [10:48] Action: blindcoder gives esden his shot [10:48] <esden> thanks!!! [10:48] <esden> >_< [10:48] <blindcoder> esden: anyway, my folders are visible now :) [10:48] <blindcoder> how about your maildirs? [10:50] <esden> YAP that works ... it is not beautifull because of the #MD directory ... but it works ... [10:50] <esden> I can live with it [10:51] <blindcoder> I guess that's to prevent namespace clashes between mbox and maildir in a mixed environment [11:46] <esden> ok ... procmailrc is also setup and working properly [11:47] <esden> niceee ... thanks blindcoder ^^ [13:35] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@fortuna.crash-override.net) left irc: Remote closed the connection [13:36] rocklogbot (n=rocklogb@fortuna.crash-override.net) joined #rocklinux. [19:37] esden (n=esden@lapradig77.informatik.tu-muenchen.de) left irc: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out) [20:37] kasc (n=kasc@p508EFC7E.dip.t-dialin.net) joined #rocklinux. [23:35] esden (n=esden@91-67-156-166-dynip.superkabel.de) joined #rocklinux. [00:00] --- Tue Dec 9 2008