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[08:02] <blindcoder> hmm, 5-thunderbird failing with assembler errors
[08:02] Action: blindcoder shoots mozilla
[08:22] Action: esden shoots common lisp wiki implementations ^^
[08:22] <blindcoder> clist wiki implementations? that's just... ewww
[08:22] <blindcoder> that's almost as bad as wikis in bash ;)
[08:22] <esden> you be quiet! :P
[08:23] <esden> if it would be zsh at least ^^
[08:23] Action: blindcoder whistles innocently
[08:23] <blindcoder> I would have had to ask sveng about that
[08:23] Action: esden is zsh fan since some time! :)
[08:23] <blindcoder> I'm sure he can do it in under 20 lines of zsh ;)
[08:23] <esden> hehe ^^ ... I can imagine that
[08:24] <blindcoder> esden: I'll be in Ingolstadt from the evening of the 20th until early january
[08:24] <blindcoder> esden: how about you?
[08:25] <esden> well my .zshrc and .zshrc.global contain 3391 lines of code ... so if there would be a wiki somewhere in that I would not wonder ^^
[08:26] <blindcoder> wtf?
[08:26] <blindcoder> blindcoder@fortuna:~$ wc -l .profile tor_aliases_v9 103 .profile 264 tor_aliases_v9 367 total
[08:26] <blindcoder> half of that is root-only, half of the rest is comments
[08:27] <esden> blindcoder: well ... I am in poland for xmas ... after that I am in berlin for 25C3 ... and then I come to munich probably and as it seems I will organize silvester at my home in garching ^^
[08:27] <blindcoder> I don't want to program a shell to run it in another one :P
[08:27] <blindcoder> ah, alright then.
[08:27] <blindcoder> I won't be at the C3 this year
[08:27] <esden> well the contents of .zshrc and .zshrc.global are from the grml distribution of zsh ^^
[08:27] <esden> it contains a lot of usefull stuff
[08:28] <esden> blindcoder: I know ... you already told me that you will not attend this year
[08:28] <blindcoder> last I checked the schedule it was mostly politics
[08:28] <blindcoder> I can get enough of that elsewhere
[08:28] <esden> but I already promissed some people that I will be there
[08:28] <esden> well ... not really ... in hall 2 there are very interesting technical talks
[08:28] <esden> also
[08:29] <esden> and I am there to meet some people ... like Bre Pettis for example
[08:29] <blindcoder> I'll make sure to record the streams ;)
[08:29] <esden> and some fellow lisp guys
[08:29] <blindcoder> who's that?
[08:29] <esden> the Maker guru!! :)
[08:29] Action: blindcoder looks sheepishly at esden
[08:29] <blindcoder> the WHAT guru?
[08:30] <esden> DIY? ...
[08:30] <esden> http://brepettis.com/
[08:30] <rocklogbot> bre pettis: http://brepettis.com/ 
[08:31] <esden> hurgh?
[08:31] <esden> what was that!!!
[08:31] <blindcoder> ah, Make Magazine, now I think I know what you're talking about
[08:31] <blindcoder> yeah, that's what happens when people post links without saying what they are about ;)
[08:31] <blindcoder> for example:
[08:31] <blindcoder> http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b7c295e7
[08:31] <rocklogbot> [l] Ich mache gerade einen kleinen Test, bei dem ihr mir helfen könnt, wenn ihr Lust habt.  Es g...: http://blog.fefe.de/?ts=b7c295e7 
[08:32] <blindcoder> I made that for another channel, where people mostly paste links that don't say anything about the content (like spiegel.de or stern.de links)
[08:33] <esden> aaaahhh ooook ... ^^
[08:33] <blindcoder> so then it outputs the <title> for most pages, but there are special handlers for fefe or wikipedia
[08:33] <esden> crazy shit ^^
[08:33] <blindcoder> meh, just a bash script interacting with ii :-)
[08:34] <blindcoder> anyway, I gotta admit being somewhat ouf of touch with the hacker community
[08:34] <blindcoder> the communities in berlin feel either very isolated or unorganised to the brink of falling apart
[08:36] <blindcoder> so now I'm stuck rewriting 10.000+ lines of perl into OO-Perl. Oh joy...
[08:42] <esden> niiiicccee ^^
[08:42] <esden> ahh ... apropos pearl
[08:42] <esden> the popb4smtp.pl on fortuna is still stopping to work from time to time ... and I have no idea why
[08:43] <esden> the only way to get it running again is to kill the perl process and start it again
[08:43] <esden> if and when you could look into it I would really appreciate that ... my parents are bothering me with that issue ... >_<
[08:44] <esden> and second thing ... why the hell have you installed dovecot on fortuna ... that crappy thing is not handling imap directories as it should!!! ^^
[08:44] <blindcoder> esden: works for me (TM)
[08:44] <blindcoder> no, seriously, what's it doing wrong?
[08:45] <esden> it is not working with subdirectories
[08:45] <blindcoder> hrm
[08:45] <blindcoder> I'll have to try that. never used subdirs before
[08:45] <esden> it should see Inbox.Lists.Rocklinux as a subdirectory but it is presenting them as separate directories with a crappy long name with dots 
[08:46] <esden> yes try it ... ^^
[08:47] <esden> as far as I found out till now ... dovecot just is not doing it ... it seems that the only way to get the problem gone is to use Cyrus >_<
[08:47] <th> i'm using courier
[08:47] <th> hi esden and blindy
[08:47] <esden> hi th
[08:47] <blindcoder> moin th
[08:48] <blindcoder> esden: I don't see such a box in ~esdentem/Mail/
[08:48] <esden> ahh I asked our admin here ... the solution is to use maildir instead of mbox ...
[08:48] <esden> errm?
[08:48] <th> of course you should use maildir ;)
[08:49] Action: blindcoder hugs his mboxes
[08:49] <th> bahh
[08:49] Action: blindcoder puts on his sheep dress
[08:49] <blindcoder> baaaah
[08:50] <esden> ~esdentem/Mail/Lists.beagleboard <- an example ... >_<
[08:50] <blindcoder> esden: yeah, that's a mailbox, not a directory
[08:50] Action: esden whacks blindcoder for not setting maildir as standard mailbox format on fortuna
[08:51] <blindcoder> directories are delimited by a / not a .
[08:51] <blindcoder> :)
[08:51] <esden> uuuuhhh ... reallyyyyyy ... 
[08:51] Action: esden whacks blindcoder a bit more
[08:51] <th> i use maildir and still use . as a delim
[08:51] Action: blindcoder blows off the dust of his unix-for-dummies-book
[08:52] <esden> th: ack ^^
[08:52] <blindcoder> esden: if you create a directory Lists and put an mbox beagleboard into it, the subdirectory thing works fine :)
[08:52] <esden> murrrr
[08:52] <esden> well
[08:52] <blindcoder> anyway, I guess you can tell procmail to use maildir instead of mbox
[08:53] <blindcoder> which dovecot will then pick up jut as fine
[08:53] <esden> humm ... maybe ... yes ... but i am bit confused now how to convert that stuff to something that handles subdirectories correctly
[08:54] <esden> but but but ... when I create new imap directory from client side it creates these strange mbox files
[08:54] <esden> i think dovecot should be told also to use maildir instead of mbox ... no?
[08:58] <blindcoder> you can do that, yeah
[08:58] <blindcoder> I'm looking it up right now
[08:58] <blindcoder> currently, the config is:
[08:58] <blindcoder> mail_location =  mbox:~/Mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
[08:58] <blindcoder> I guess one could append
[08:59] <blindcoder> mail_location =  mbox:~/Mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u:maildir:~/Maildir
[09:03] <blindcoder> done
[09:04] <esden> ook
[09:04] <blindcoder> esden: I think I know why popb4smtp stops working
[09:04] <blindcoder> esden: tail -f vs. tail -F
[09:09] <esden> hrrm ... manpage does not say what the difference is ... could you enlighten me please?
[09:10] <blindcoder> tail -f follows the inode
[09:10] <blindcoder> tail -F follows the path/filename
[09:10] <blindcoder> so if the logrotate does its job, tail -f follows the moved annd compressed file
[09:10] <blindcoder> while -F closes the fd and reopens it on the original filename
[09:15] <blindcoder> try it with this script:
[09:16] <blindcoder> touch /tmp/foo; tail -f /tmp/foo & echo 1 >> /tmp/foo ; mv /tmp/foo /tmp/bar ; echo 2 >> /tmp/bar ; kill %1; tail -F /tmp/bar & echo 3 >> /tmp/bar ; mv /tmp/bar /tmp/foo ; echo 4 >>/tmp/foo ; echo 5 > /tmp/bar ; kill %1; rm /tmp/foo /tmp/bar 
[09:16] <blindcoder> you'll see:
[09:16] <blindcoder> 1
[09:16] <blindcoder> 2
[09:16] <blindcoder> 3
[09:16] <blindcoder> 5
[09:28] <esden> ahh allright
[09:28] <esden> thanks
[09:28] <esden> hrrrm ... the maildir stuff is still a bit of a problem
[09:29] <esden> I can convert my stuff to Maildir ... but still postfix will deliver to my mbox in /var/mail ... :/
[09:29] <esden> and I don't find a way to change that behaviour per user
[09:30] <esden> humm ... theoretically I could create a procmail rule to deliver all mail to Maildir ... *thinking*
[09:35] <blindcoder> esden: 
[09:35] <blindcoder> :0:
[09:35] <blindcoder> ^ Subject: blafasel
[09:35] <blindcoder> Lists/blafasel/
[09:35] <blindcoder> done
[09:42] <esden> haha! 
[09:42] <esden> esdentem@fortuna ~ % cat .procmailrc 
[09:42] <esden> MAILDIR=/home/esdentem/Maildir
[09:42] <esden> DEFAULT=$MAILDIR/
[09:42] <esden> esdentem@fortuna ~ %
[09:42] <blindcoder> for a default, yes. but I'm not gonna sort 1k+ Mails a day manually
[09:46] <esden> yes sure ^^
[09:46] <esden> but now I convert the directories I have in ~/Mail to ~/Maildir ... and then I can add the rules to .procmailrc
[09:47] <blindcoder> ah
[09:48] Action: blindcoder likes the new bittorrent tracker and client running on fortuna :-)
[09:48] <blindcoder> no more 100% load :)
[09:48] <blindcoder> and no more client crashes
[10:19] <esden> blindcoder: ofyi the way you added mailbox is not working ... you have to use namespaces in dovecot to mix mbox and maildir 
[10:27] <blindcoder> damn :(
[10:27] <blindcoder> can you do that? I'm currently fixing another problem with a SuXE system
[10:28] <esden> yes I have changed that ... .Inbox is now /var/mail/%u ... and the directories can be made in $HOME/Maildir ... 
[10:28] <esden> at least it works this way for me
[10:28] <esden> you have to test it for your mail ... hopefully it still works as it should
[10:28] <esden> ^^
[10:30] <esden> it also may be that your mailboxes desappeared now ... :/
[10:30] <esden> but they are only non visible ... but still get mail delivered by procmail
[10:36] Action: blindcoder opens roundcubemail
[10:37] <blindcoder> hmm
[10:37] <esden> ???
[10:37] <blindcoder> I can now only see my Inbox
[10:37] <esden> aaaand?
[10:37] <blindcoder> not my other boxes
[10:37] <esden> that is what I feared
[10:38] <blindcoder> and that's not good :(
[10:38] <esden> the "easiest" way would be to convert everything to Maildir ^^
[10:38] <esden> *scratching_head*
[10:38] <esden> with md2mb it is pretty easy to convert ^^
[10:39] <esden> md2mb -m
[10:39] <esden> md2mb -s Mail -R
[10:39] <esden> and that is it
[10:39] <esden> well in the current case the second command would suffice
[10:40] <esden> but then converting the .procmailrc rules ... :/
[10:40] <esden> aaaarrrrrgh
[10:40] <blindcoder> also there's currently matthias, your parents, me, my gf and my parents using the server
[10:40] <blindcoder> can't get them all to reconfigure their clients
[10:41] <esden> well ... they don't have to
[10:41] <esden> on the client side everything stays the same
[10:44] <esden> well ... I have to find a way so that the mbox files in $HOME/Mail are still visible in imap
[10:45] <blindcoder> esden: how about this:  http://wiki.dovecot.org/QuestionsAndAnswers#head-ca096174a590558f7ad33420c3ccb62e989ac063
[10:46] Action: blindcoder nails esden to the floor
[10:46] <blindcoder>   location = mbox:~/mail:INBOX=/var/mail/%u
[10:46] <blindcoder> tell me what's wrong about this line and you get an extra shot of morphium
[10:47] <blindcoder> aaaand there they are
[10:47] <esden> grosskleinschreibung? 
[10:48] Action: blindcoder gives esden his shot
[10:48] <esden> thanks!!!
[10:48] <esden> >_<
[10:48] <blindcoder> esden: anyway, my folders are visible now :)
[10:48] <blindcoder> how about your maildirs?
[10:50] <esden> YAP that works ... it is not beautifull because of the #MD directory ... but it works ... 
[10:50] <esden> I can live with it
[10:51] <blindcoder> I guess that's to prevent namespace clashes between mbox and maildir in a mixed environment
[11:46] <esden> ok ... procmailrc is also setup and working properly
[11:47] <esden> niceee ... thanks blindcoder ^^
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