--- Log opened Wed May 01 00:00:21 2002
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00:00 < huebi> hackbard: Geht normal auch gut. aber nicht mit nfs und portmap
00:01 < thalerim> hackbard: diff ist aber unsicher
00:01 < thalerim> ich kannsa uch mit diff machen, is ke problem
00:01 < hackbard> jo stimmt! siehe alsa
00:01 < hackbard> nene, mach mal
00:01 < thalerim> ok
00:09 < thalerim> hachgott
00:10 < thalerim> das wird kompilizierter als ich dachte :-)
00:13 < Mike1> see you later
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00:16 < simon> nacht..
00:19 < thalerim> uhm
00:20 < thalerim> ich zu verpeilt, wie benutz man md5sum --check ?!
00:20 < thalerim> +bin
00:24 < hackbard> oh, no idea
00:25 < rxr> does s.o. know if there is a technical reason why the patch allpying changed from -p0 to -p1 in 1.7 (some weeks ago)?? 
00:26 < rxr> gdb-5.2 is out ;-)
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00:54 < huebi> I have to tune the file system on rocklinux.dyndns.org ;( toooo slow
01:01 < huebi> n8
01:01 < rxr> n8 huebi 
01:02 < huebi> n8 rxr 
01:02 < huebi> :-)
01:08 < cap> when will 1.6 be out?
01:11 < cap> alle am schlafen? ;)
01:11 < rxr> cap: I'm here ;-)
01:11 < cap> hi rxr
01:11 < rxr> hi
01:12 < rxr> dRock-1.6.0 will be out next week - ROCK-1.6.0 might take some weeks ...
01:12 < cap> K
01:13 < rxr> cap: for more info about dRock:
01:13 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock.html
01:14 < cap> sounds nice
01:14 < cap> i'll try it out
01:15 < rxr> I currently fixing the issues that showed up in the rc2 and a rc3 will be out Friday ...
01:17 < cap> dRock has even Blackbox :>> my personal sweet
01:18 < rxr> hehe ;-)
01:21 < rxr> cap: dRock has grown out of ROCK in the last year - and now all is merged back into the 1.7 tree.
01:21 < rxr> 1.7 really ROCKs ...
01:22 < cap> 1.7 tree of the actual RockLinux?
01:22 < cap> hm
01:22 < rxr> jups. - But it is not for regular use yet - currently we do not ewven have a iso creation for it (it is a big redesign ;-)
01:23 < rxr> it is like the linux kernel the odd .x versions are the devel trees ...
01:25 < cap> yep i know :)
01:25 < cap> i'm new to rock - but the idea sounds like ..i would have done my own distro just the way rock is done 
01:25 < cap> i am still runnin slack 8.0
01:26 < rxr> ;-) I read your question about Gentoo some hours ago - ROCK exists much longer! - And the ROCK build scripts are much cleaner and more powerfull ...
01:27 < cap> :)
01:28 < cap> rock is developed in .de / .at ?
01:29 < rxr> mostly. But there are people in .en, .us, australia, singapure .cr (Costa Rica) and many more ..
01:30 < rxr> dRock is at least used in the .us, cr and ireland ;-) and .de of course ... ,)
01:30 < cap> how old is it?
01:31 < rxr> dRock? a year ;-) ROCK was started arround 1996-1998 - I'm not sure ...
01:31 < cap> when i first heard of it my impression was "just another distro - who cares"
01:32 < rxr> ;) It is a really nice "Meta-Distribution" which you also can compile and port yourself - or customize for your purpose. 
01:33 < rxr> Even "normal" Developers, students (here in Berlin) use it as "the clenest dist" they ever saw ...
01:33 < cap> ccc :)
01:34 < rxr> (and it is running on several DAU user boxes including my fatjers amd brothers's ones - they get a Christmas update each year more service is not needed for such "set-top" style Linux boxes ... 
01:34 < rxr> )
01:34 < cap> hehe
01:35 < cap> why do we speak english tough most people here come from .de or .at ?
01:36 < cap> well, yes, english is the much better language ;)
01:37 < rxr> sometimes international people joined the channel and left after a few minutes of too much German traffic. So we should stay english here. But on some days here is much German traffic and during some night hours the Costa Rica boys do some Spanish sessions sometimes ;-)
01:38 < cap> lol
01:38 < cap> i see
01:38 * cap cant help laughing ;)
01:39 < rxr> why not? *g*
01:41 < cap> well.. i like english. but most germany programmers i know prefer their home-sweet mother's language - german
01:41 < cap> i just wonder
01:41 < cap> :-)
01:44 < rxr> Das wundert mich auch - deutsche Variablen sind echt nur eckelig :-( ...
01:44 < cap> yep stimmt
01:44 < cap> nur englisch ist ziemlich ungewohnt
01:45 < cap> wonder - ich wollte eigentlich "i'm surprised" schreiben  *urgs*
01:45 < rxr> eletern_prosses->Aufraemen (); // breee *G*
01:45 < cap> lol
01:47 < rxr> hm Dasn wuerde in Java der Garbae Kollektor: MuellSammler heissen -> MS das passt ja wenigsten ;) *lol*
01:47 < rxr> s/Kol/Col/ ...
01:48 < cap> yep
01:48 < cap> (pfui)
01:49 < cap> hm ich muss mal eben raus und meiner freundin gute nacht sagen. see you ;>
01:49 < rxr> (btw ich bin kein Java fan - ich werde nur an der Uni zuviel damit genervt) - distanzier ...
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01:49 < rxr> cu
02:03 * tsa verschwindet auch mal..
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02:03 < tsa> n8
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02:09 < rxr> is s.o still here ?
02:09 < hackbard> so = someone?
02:09 < hackbard> if yes, yes :)
02:10 < rxr> hackbard: Hi! I'm currently wondering if I should do some PR and add dRock to freshmeat ;-?
02:11 < hackbard> rxr: sure why not.
02:11 < hackbard> is rock on freshmeat already?
02:12 < rxr> because my DSL connection will be disabled for some days ... ;-)
02:12 < rxr> yes Cliff added a
02:12 < hackbard> https://freshmeat.net/projects/rocklinux/?topic_id=864%2C257%2C253 <- :)
02:12 < rxr> it some moth ago ...
02:12 < hackbard> why ?
02:12 < hackbard> dsl disabled
02:13 < rxr> because of the dowloads caused of an announcement ...
02:13 < rxr> ohh! Cliff has updated the freshmeat screenshot with an 1.7 one! Nice ;-)
02:14 < hackbard> but its outdated again :)
02:15 < hackbard> because of downloads caused of an announcement .. i think i ddint get that ...
02:15 < hackbard> btw, there are strange outputs in latest 1.7
02:16 < rxr> when I do an announcement of Desktop releated stuff on freshmaet quite some people will click on download ISO - and this will make the downloads for individuals very slow (256 kbit connect here ...)
02:16 < hackbard> /mnt/lfs/rock-build/scripts/Build-Pkg: desc_CV-URL=: command not found
02:16 < hackbard> the same for CV-PAT and CV-DEL
02:16 < rxr> hackbard: hm - I have not tried 1.7 in the lat three days ... :-(
02:16 * rxr <= outdated ...
02:18 < hackbard> well, it doesnt seem to be dangerous
02:18 < hackbard> oh i see, freshmeat wont offer space for ur iso .. i forgot that ..
02:20 < rxr> hackbard: do you know what this is for:
02:20 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/lame.patch
02:20 < hackbard> a patch for lamers
02:21 < hackbard> hehe, just a joke (at least i think)
02:27 < jonath[an]> hello
02:27 < hackbard> hi jonath[an]
02:27 < jonath[an]> hello Frank
02:28 < jonath[an]> what about Mike?
02:29 < jonath[an]> how long has passed since Mike's last visit?
02:30 < rxr> Day changed to 30 Apr 2002
02:30 < rxr> 01:05 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ["BitchX: try our
02:30 < rxr>           lowfat flavor too!"]
02:30 < rxr> Hi jonath[an] !
02:31 < jonath[an]> hi, rene, thanx
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02:46 < jonath[an]> bye
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02:49 < hackbard> rxr: still awake?
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03:12 < rxr> ah yes
03:12 < rxr> hackbard: ? are you now still here ;-?
03:13 < hackbard> jo
03:14 < rxr> war was wichtiges? 
03:14 < hackbard> i have problems with a mailing list that spams me. i did create a .procmailrc. it works great. but sendmail is still flooding my var/log/messages
03:14 < hackbard> can i prevent it from doing that?
03:14 < hackbard> ohh, nein, nicht das ich wuesset :)
03:17 < rxr> oh - solche probleme ... :-( - ehrlich gesagt benutze ich nur exim (und da muesste ich mir auch erstmal ansehen was genau wo landet ...)
03:18 < hackbard> naja, das weiterleiten zu dev/null klappt gut. nur jede eingehende mail sehe ich in var/log/messages :(
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03:28 < rxr> n8
03:28 -!- rxr is now known as rxr_zZ
04:15 < hack^> @ clifford_away & rxr_zZ : ab stage2 gleich bei bnutils sucht er nach bison zeug in /mnt/lfs/rock-build <- darauf habe ich Create-Links gemacht.
04:15 < hack^> bin auch pennen
04:15 < hack^> n8
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06:51 < huebi> moin
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07:09 < SMP> Moin
07:09 < huebi> hi SMP 
07:09 < huebi> hi freed 
07:51 < jonath[an]> hi
07:52 < huebi> hi jonath[an] 
08:36 < jonath[an]> huebi: dont u sleep?
08:45 < huebi> jonath[an]: of course I do. But not as much as I want ;)
09:06 < jonath[an]> hehe, like me
09:06 < jonath[an]> i wish i were at home now
09:07 < jonath[an]> but i need to finish this spreadsheet for tomorrow
09:07 < jonath[an]> i mean in 24 hours
09:31 -!- blindy|sleeping is now known as blindcoder
09:31 < blindcoder> g'morning everyone
09:33 * blindcoder wonders i he shall include "nethack" as a mision critical software package in his documentation...
09:36 < jonath[an]> wie geht es dir blindcoder ?
09:38 < huebi> hi blindcoder 
09:38 < blindcoder> jonath[an] : I'm fine, thanks. Anata wa.
09:38 < blindcoder> moin huebi 
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09:38 < huebi> blindcoder: include it as most siphisticated security tool
09:39 < blindcoder> oh, sorry. "Anata wa" means: how about you?
09:39 < jonath[an]> im fine, just hardcoding
09:39 < jonath[an]> da u remember my java spreasheet?
09:39 < jonath[an]> it is
09:39 < blindcoder> huebi> hmm worth a second thought :D *copy* *paste*
09:40 < blindcoder> jonath[an]> usable already?
09:43 < jonath[an]> umm, so so
09:43 < jonath[an]> i just need to catch some exceptions
09:43 < jonath[an]> :)
09:44 < jonath[an]> and circular references
09:44 < blindcoder> try { } catch ( exception e ) { }
09:44 < blindcoder> isn't it?
09:47 < jonath[an]> yes
09:48 < jonath[an]> i need to apply it to around 65 functions
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09:48 < anders> re
09:48 < blindcoder> cool, I could remember something about it ;) 65 functions? shouldn't take too long...
09:48 < blindcoder> hi anders 
09:48 < anders> morning blindcoder 
09:49 * anders just completed another install of both OpenBSD and Debian Woody in VMware..
09:49 < anders> this time using an LV as 'disk' rather than a diskfile..
09:50 * blindcoder hates writing documentation. Even more so if it has to be in german >_<
09:55 < anders> blindcoder: you speak german though, right?
09:55 < jonath[an]> hello anders
09:56 < jonath[an]> yes blindcoder, it ill be too long
09:56 < blindcoder> yes I do, but all the information sources are in english
09:56 < blindcoder> And thinking english while typing german is... difficult at least
09:59 < jonath[an]> well, i think english is a globalized language, most of ppl know more english than some other language
10:00 < jonath[an]> are u writing this docs in german or english?
10:01 < blindcoder> I HAVE to write them in german becase the people at the IHK seem to not knw a word of english >_
10:01 < blindcoder> >_<
10:02 < blindcoder> So I'm now translating parts of the gcc, bison and flex man-pages into german
10:02 < anders> re jonath[an] 
10:03 < jonath[an]> ummm
10:03 < anders> blindcoder: not nice.. but you are getting paid for it, right? :)
10:03 < jonath[an]> well, i dunno ur case
10:03 < jonath[an]> but somtimes i hate when ppl try to translate docs in other languages
10:04 < jonath[an]> by example...hehe...there are ppl in Spain who try to translate kernel 2.2.* sources in spanish
10:04 < blindcoder> anders> yes, I am ;)
10:04 < blindcoder> It's the documentation for my end-of-apprenticeship test.
10:05 < blindcoder> Setting up a linux Fileserver with RAID and Tape-Drive
10:05 < blindcoder> jonath[an]> hmm dunno but I think that's funny ;)
10:06 < jonath[an]> well, i thinj this is a time bad spent
10:06 < jonath[an]> bad time spent i mean
10:07 < huebi> Did somebody see a french DOS. They translated everything including the name of the programs! print foo => empimer foo  ;>
10:09 < blindcoder> I think it's a possibility to bring those who can't speak foreign languages (children for examples) to the complex environment of technology ;)
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10:11 < blindcoder> hi cap
10:13 * anders really wants an FTO... Can't afford one at the moment though..
10:14 < blindcoder> FTO?
10:15 < anders> Mitsubishi FTO :)
10:15 < jonath[an]> hi cap
10:16 < jonath[an]> fto is a car?
10:16 < anders> Nice car.. 2.0 liter V6 engine that delivers 200bhp :)
10:16 < jonath[an]> :p, i can se clearly now
10:16 < anders> Yeah.. the FTO is the little brother of the GTO (or 3000GT as it is known in Europe)
10:17 < jonath[an]> i dunno nth about cars 
10:17 < jonath[an]> i prefer Motorcicles
10:17 < jonath[an]> :)
10:17 < anders> As long as they look good and are quick (lots of torque) I am happy.. :)
10:17 < jonath[an]> since kid i drive motorcicle in tourneys
10:18 < anders> hehehe.. I tried a 125cc and a 650cc bike, could not get used to corner handling..
10:19 < jonath[an]> ic
10:19 < jonath[an]> well, i use 250cc
10:20 < jonath[an]> they are light to run, and for my body they are fine
10:20 < jonath[an]> kawasaki
10:21 < cap> morning
10:21 < jonath[an]> does anybody knows if install_bin is ready to run in a root partition?
10:27 < blindcoder> hmmm sorry... don't know
10:27 < blindcoder> btw: does anyone feel the need for a dialog-driven configuration tool for the .pz files of 1.5?
10:28 < huebi> blindcoder: What do you suggest?
10:30 < blindcoder> Welll I could dcc it to you. I have done it a week ago but wasn't sure if I should keep it to myseelf or not...
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10:42 < huebi> blindcoder: Make an anonymous upload to: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload please ;)
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10:44 < blindcoder> yukai
10:45 < blindcoder> done
10:46 * blindcoder now making some screenshots from a xterm
10:52 < cap> does dRock 1.6 get along with glib-2.2.x ?
10:54 < SMP> cap: from what I've heard, dRock 1.6 is based on glibc-2.2
10:54 < cap> so it can be compiled on a glib-2.2.x based system?
10:55 < SMP> I guess so
10:56 < huebi> cap: and also on 2.1.x systems. ask rxr_zZ when he's back.
10:56 < jonath[an]> hi SMP 
11:02 < huebi> SMP: is the type of the ICP-Vortex : IPC GDT6000? If yes, put it in the litter bin. It's broken. I send the wrong one. ;-(
11:07 < SMP> huebi: yup, it's a GDT6000.
11:07 < huebi> SMP: Some diodes and some Flsh chips are still here. ;-)))
11:07 < huebi> +a
11:07 < SMP> huebi: no problem, I have the other one anyway
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11:08 < jonath[an]> re simon
11:08 < SMP> huebi: which of the SIMMs should I mount on the other controller? all of them?
11:09 < huebi> SMP: Yes, try to get all of them on the controller. They should be 4MB SIMMs. The more the better.
11:10 < SMP> absolutely ;)
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11:53 < bluefire> Moin
11:53 < jonath[an]> re bluefire 
11:56 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford
11:56 < clifford> hi.
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12:00 < jonath[an]> hello Cliff
12:01 < clifford> hi jonath[an].
12:01 < jonath[an]> it's 16:30 here
12:01 < jonath[an]> i need to sleep
12:02 < jonath[an]> the spreadsheet is almost finished
12:02 < jonath[an]> well, i have to leave :)
12:03 < jonath[an]> cya guys
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12:03 < clifford> cu.
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12:15 < freed> guten morgen
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12:21 < th> moin
12:27 < clifford> hi th, hi freed
12:30 < freed> sagt mal wie sicher ist rsync?
12:30 < th> ueber ssh oder nicht?
12:30 < freed> ja über ssh
12:30 < th> dann wohl so sicher wie dein ssh
12:31 < freed> okay
12:31 < blindcoder> *phew* including attachments the documentation just reached 40 pages ;)
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12:36 < aszlig> hullo
12:45 < cap> hi
12:45 < freed> hi
12:45 < cap> hm where can i find a list of all packages rock includes ?
12:47 < freed> mmh i dont know
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12:49 < martin_> hi all
12:49 < martin_> Rene ?
12:54 < blindcoder> cap> do you have the sources?
12:55 < cap> i'm downloading them right now
12:56 < blindcoder> then go tocap> in 1.5 go to base-config and ext-config and do a ls. then you have the list ;)
12:57 < cap> hum
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13:01 < hackbard> moin
13:02 < freed> hi
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13:29 < term_emu> re
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13:55 < rxr> hi
13:56 < esden> hi all
14:00 < blindcoder> hi esden 
14:01 < blindcoder> esden> still @ munich?
14:02 < blindcoder> be back in 20 mins-..
14:17 < clifford> esden: I'm now uploading a new snap with a lot of dietlibc fixes.
14:18 < esden> blindcoder: yes
14:18 < esden> clifford: ok ...
14:19 < rxr> 2.5.12 is out .-.-..
14:20 * clifford did not try any 2.5.x kernel so far...  :-(
14:20 < th> me neither
14:20 < rxr> Hi cliff!
14:20 < clifford> hi rene.
14:20 < rxr> on my lappy 2.5.10 is running with ALSA and preemtion ... ;-)
14:20 < esden> clifford: I thought you wanted my pathes first... but it were no patches at all ... two changed lines or so
14:21 < esden> rxr: and is it stable ? faster ?
14:21 < rxr> clifford: what I forgot to ask: Why did the patch format in 1.7 changed from -p0 to -p1? is there a technical reason?
14:21 < martin_> Morgen Rene. Hast du noch meine Daten auf dem Server?
14:22 < clifford> esden: I've fixed the following packages: binutils gcc bison curl diffutils fileutils gawk grep sh-utils tar textutils
14:22 < rxr> esden: it has not crashed for me ;-) the preemtive kernel should be smother for interactive multi-media work - but my Lappy is that slow that is doesn't make a big differece ;-) But for audio work the latency is much reduced ;-)
14:22 < clifford> esden: it's now possible to chrrot after stages 0 and 1 and work in a dietlibc-only system.
14:23 < rxr> clifford: wow - nice! I seem to have to build such a dist for my lappy ;-)
14:24 < blindcoder> esden> will you come home today or stay in munich?
14:24 < clifford> rxr: almost every patch out there has the <pkg>-<ver> part in the filenames - so it's -p1 when you apply them within the package dir.
14:25 < clifford> rxr: it's also easier to create such patches.
14:25 < rxr> clifford: ah. So only a "it is nicer feature" ;-)
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14:26 < clifford> rxr: yes.
14:27 * clifford needs to contact fefe and ask some dietlibc questions....
14:27 < clifford> BTW: I'm now having more dietlibc based bins on my system than fefe has on his download page ..
14:27 < rxr> clifford: dRock 1.6.0 will be mostly 1.7 compatible. No .pz files an this patch format is not the same (makes cut'n paste package even easier ...)
14:28 < esden> blindy|away: I will stay in munich
14:29 < esden> clifford: yes contact him ... I will update now my buildtree to the newest snapshot
14:29 < esden> clifford: what do you want to ask him ?
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14:31 < clifford> E.g. why the following is in dietlibc's stdio.h:
14:31 < clifford> #ifdef _GNU_SOURCE
14:31 < clifford> ssize_t getline(char **lineptr, size_t *n, FILE *stream);
14:31 < clifford> ssize_t getdelim(char **lineptr, size_t *n, int delim, FILE *stream);
14:31 < clifford> #define getline(lineptr,n,stream) getdelim(lineptr,n,'\n',stream)
14:31 < clifford> #endif
14:31 < clifford> (dietlibc does not export this symbols)
14:32 < huebi> re
14:32 < clifford> hi!
14:32 < rxr> Moin huebi!
14:32 < th> hi huebi 
14:33 < esden> moin huebi 
14:35 < clifford> btw: the static dietlibc binaries are all bigger than the dynamic glibc binaries. So it only safes you diskspace if there are not so many bins.
14:35 < rxr> clifford:  how much % bigger ?
14:35 < esden> clifford: but you can also link dietlibc dinamicly
14:36 * -> esden away smokin'
14:37 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200205011417.
14:37 < clifford> rxr: about 10% - but that differs a lot depending on the program.
14:39 < clifford> rxr: but the stripped glibc is 1.2M in size.
14:39 < rxr> clifford: Jup I know - and how big is a dynamic dietlibc ?
14:40 < clifford> rxr: as far as I know dietlibc can't be build as dynamic library.
14:41 < clifford> rxr: dietlibc contains a dynamic linker (which is optional) - but that is something different.
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14:42 < tsa> moin
14:43 < esden> hi tsa 
14:43 < huebi> hi tsa 
14:43 < tsa> hi esden, huebi..
14:43 < tsa> *gaeehn*
14:43 < tsa> hm....kaffee ist auch nicht mehr das, was er mal war..
14:43 < simon_> guten morgen
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14:44 < tsa> moin msim
14:44 < tsa> simon
14:44 < tsa> m.
14:44 < tsa> scheisse...ich kann noch nicht mal mehr tippen.
14:44 < simon> hehe... :-)
14:45 < tsa> hm..... esden, die stats sehen irgendwie komisch aus....
14:45 < tsa> esden: die saeulen mit den daily stats gehen irgendwie nen ganzes stueck weiter nach rechts raus als alles andere...
14:46 < tsa> sieht zumindest fuer mich irgendwie komisch aus..
14:46 < tsa> soll das so sein?
14:48 < esden> tsa: ich schaue es mir gleich an
14:48 < tsa> ok, fein..
14:49 < esden> tsa: stimmt .. ich habe den fehler schon mal gesehen ... ich werde dass statistikprogramm gleich umschreiben
14:49 < esden> argh ich komme nicht auf meine kiste daheim drauf >_<
14:49 < tsa> oki, danke..
14:52 < esden> huebi: hast dir pz-config.sh schon angeschaut ?
15:02 < huebi> esden: jo, aber noch nicht getestet
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15:07 < rxr> hi martin_ 
15:07 < martin_> hi rxr
15:07 < martin_> rxr: Hast du meine Daten noch auf dem Server?
15:07 < rxr> erm nee - brachst du die etwa? 
15:08 < martin_> rxr: Ein paar MP3's, E-Mails, ... alles weg!!
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15:17 < bluefire> ripclaw: Guude!
15:17 < ripclaw> hi bluefire !
15:22 < rxr> Hm the last mail from Marcelo Tosatti on linux-kernel is from 04/23. I wonder when 2.4.19 develoment continous ...
15:23 < ripclaw> hey, rxr - ppl have to take a few days off some time. when did you last time have the symptom of not beeing able to see abox without vomiting ?
15:23 < tsa> hehehe
15:24 < rxr> hi ripclaw ;-)
15:25 < ripclaw> hi rxr
15:27 < ripclaw> i should have gotten rid now of 95% of all spam !
15:27 < ripclaw> "unsubscribe bug-hurd"
15:28 < hackbard> hi ripclaw!
15:28 < ripclaw> hi hacky
15:28 < hackbard> moin rene
15:28 < ripclaw> da faellt mir ein ich muss noch 2 kartons labeln und fertig machen.
15:28 < ripclaw> hmpf
15:29 < hackbard> had some troubles with spam mail yesterday too. .procmailrc works fine, but i wondered how to get sendmail not flood my var/log/messages file
15:29 < tsa> LogLevel
15:29 < hackbard> jo :)
15:30 < tsa> "O LogLevel=9" is default afaik...just set it to something below..
15:30 < hackbard> in sendmail.cf ?
15:30 < tsa> yes
15:30 < hackbard> or syslogd ?
15:31 < ripclaw> rm sendmail - get zmailer or qmail :-)
15:31 < tsa> you can also discard all this ("mail.* /dev/null" in syslog.conf)
15:32 < ripclaw> sendmuell :-)
15:32 < hackbard> hehe
15:32 < tsa> "O LOgLevel=9" is foer sendmail.cf
15:32 < hackbard> yeah, just saw it, and ur right 9 is default
15:33 < rxr> ripclaw: or get exim ;-)
15:33 < tsa> oh....btw...every change you make to sendmai.cf without touching sendmail.mc will earn you at least 5 guru points ;-)
15:35 < ripclaw> why guru points ? nothing will work ?
15:36 < clifford> tsa: "mail.* /dev/null" will only waste cpu time without any effect.
15:36 < SMP> sendmail.cf is for wimps!
15:36 < ripclaw> rm sendmail - get zmailer or qmail :-)
15:36 < SMP> gurus can patch sendmail.fc with dd!
15:36 < ripclaw> exim is ok, but i personally do not like its config
15:37 < ripclaw> qmail is great, but the license sucks.
15:37 < tsa> SMP: https://www.jaenicke.org/cat-powered.gif
15:37 < ripclaw> courier - hmmmm. dunno, something bugged me about this.
15:38 < ripclaw> *BFG*
15:38 < clifford> SMP: gurus start sendmail with empty config files, atteches a debugger to the process and modifies the sendmail internal representation of it's config in the memory. When finished he creates a core dump and simply loads the core dump into memory when starting sendmail instead of starting the sendmail binary.
15:38 < ripclaw> when i saw the url i thought about cats in a runwheeel
15:38 < SMP> tsa: heh, cool ;)
15:39 * tsa being away for an hour or something..
15:39 < tsa> cu later.
15:39 < ripclaw> su
15:39 < ripclaw> s/su/cu
15:39 < ripclaw> damnit, when mental processes write to neighbours space
15:39 < SMP> clifford: I'd say this is easier than binary-hacking sendmail.fc, but I don't know for sure of course
15:40 < SMP> clifford: difficulty also depends on whether sendmail was built -g or not and if it's stripped ;>
15:40 < ripclaw> why not disassemble sendmail and link it with the right params ?
15:42 < ripclaw> well, i prefer to be a wheenie with mail and still use a secure mailer.
15:42 < ripclaw> s/mailer/mailerd
15:42 < SMP> sendmail may suck, but it's great feeling when you hacked a really old version of sendmail to send a mail over the internet ;)
15:43 * SMP collects emails he sends himself from ancient systems
15:43 < ripclaw> SMP: i can feel the same after hacking my gopher code to compile on 2.2.5 glibc :-)
15:43 < ripclaw> or have a fido-uunet and a fido-rfc822 mail gateway work together
15:44 < clifford> SMP: programs which will be debuged have to be build with '-s -O3 -fomit-frame-pointer -finline-functions -fstrength-reduce -fexpensive-optimizations .. and some mor ..
15:44 < SMP> I have a mail sent from a Sendmail 5.65c/4.7 on DomainOS. I had to hand-hack sendmail.cf of course. was great fun ;)
15:45 < SMP> clifford: of course! ;)
15:45 < ripclaw> i have a solaris 1.1.4 box with latest patches and working sendmail downstairs.
15:45 < ripclaw> hi clifford
15:45 < clifford> hi ripclaw
15:45 < SMP> SunOS 4.1.4? sun4?
15:45 < SMP> sun3?
15:45 < ripclaw> yes. i also have a install cdrom
15:46 < ripclaw> (no tape, come on :-)
15:46 < ripclaw> c0ffee is right now running sunos 4.1.2 and caffee is on sunos 4.1.4
15:47 < ripclaw> c0ffee has qmail 1.0.3
15:47 < ripclaw> (two sparcstation2)
15:47 < clifford> hmmm .. dietlibc doesn't like c++. very boring.
15:48 < ripclaw> clifford: dietlibc is by fefe, and iirc he doesn`t like c++ either.
15:48 < SMP> I remember logging in on koeln.shuttle.de SunOS 4.1 as late as '97. my first experience with 'big' Unix iron
15:48 < rxr> clifford: maybe you only need soem ifdef C_PLUS_PLUS extern "C" arround the the headers ??
15:48 < SMP> there's not much Fefe likes in general ...
15:48 < ripclaw> SMP: do you have access to a IRIX version that runs on a personal iris 3/35 ?
15:49 < ripclaw> yes, fefeisms...
15:49 < clifford> rxr: the 'diet' wrapper application just doesn't do anything if it's wrapping a c++ compiler ..
15:49 < SMP> ripclaw: I know someone who has an IRIS running, but no media AFAIK
15:49 < rxr> clifford: ah
15:49 < clifford> rxr: (but I also don't like that dietlibc will like the C++ symbol names ..  :-)
15:49 < ripclaw> SMP: if you want, i can get you a copy of the cdrom with a copy of the docs cdrom. i also have sunopsis access.
15:50 < SMP> ripclaw: I don't have any sun hardware, thanks ;)
15:50 < ripclaw> SMP: i have no system that can run on this box except iris, and whoever had the box messed it up.
15:50 < esden> hi ripclaw 
15:50 < ripclaw> hi esden
15:50 < clifford> SMP: But I don't see in which way dietlibc is cleaner than glibc. I've found some very dirty hacks in dietlibc today ..
15:50 < rxr> clifford: what c++ symbol names should the dietlibc not like?
15:51 < ripclaw> SMP: SGI has no more docs on it, no instmedia for anything that runs on it, and bell labs plan9 seems to be the only documentation.
15:51 < SMP> clifford: try asking Fefe ;)
15:52 < ripclaw> clifford: the advantage of dietlibc vs. glibc is - i only have to deal with half the amount of cruft and fefe instead of drepper.
15:52 < SMP> clifford: I think his reasoning may be that dietlibc is just less in size, so it must be cleaner anyway ;)
15:52 < rxr> clifford: but maybe c++ problems get problems when they utilize the stl which might require linking against libstdc++ and glibc ...  
15:52 < ripclaw> i can drive over to fefe and beat him up if it all is necessary, drepper is a daytrip.
15:53 * SMP listening to the OpenBSD 3.0 / 3.1 songs
15:53 < SMP> clifford: https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html <- really cool ;)
15:53 < clifford> rxr: as farr as I have seen, the dietlibc headers to not declare the functions as 'extern "C"' - so the symbols will not fit the ones in dietlibc.a ..
15:54 < ripclaw> SMP: a old sun SparcStation (< 5) doesn`t cost anything these days. last time i aquired some, i got 7 plus working screens for 80 EUR
15:54 < ripclaw> SMP: wvdputte asked if openbsd cannot bring ppl to linuxtag wether _we_ could sell their cdroms. sick, isn`T ?
15:55 < clifford> SMP: in glibc a lot of work is done twice where it wouldn't be needed - in dietlibc a lot of stuff is not done at all which would be very importand ..  :-)
15:55 < clifford> SMP: (and I do not talk about implementing more functions in dietlibc).
15:56 < ripclaw> clifford: right. but i reason fefe wants to keep the feeling of "i miss something" or else its bloated in his view
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15:56 < clifford> ripclaw: as said - i don't talk about missing functions or missing features.
15:56 < SMP> ripclaw: I already have an SGI Indigo2 that needs a IRIX 6.5 installed, an RS/6k that wants AIX 4.3.3 installed together with an AS/400 that wants it to speak SNA over TokenRing to. I don't need more crappy hardware ;->
15:57 < clifford> ripclaw: I'm just talking about stuff like clean headers.
15:57 < SMP> oh, and an HP Gecko with a broken HD
15:57 < ripclaw> clifford: yes, he works very "it works for me" oriented.
15:58 < ripclaw> SMP: i can give you aix 4.3.2 - and the ss2 is not crap :-)
15:58 * clifford now really solved the gcc2 vs. gcc3 c++ problem ..
15:58 < ripclaw> clifford: detail ?
15:58 < SMP> ripclaw: I have 4.3.3 here
15:58 < SMP> clifford: weee..
15:58 < ripclaw> SMP: ok
15:58 < SMP> ripclaw: https://www.schrotthal.de/ ;>
15:59 < ripclaw> SMP: https://www.black-cube.net/SGI
16:02 < clifford> I'm now uploading snap 1.7.0-DEV-200205011551 with the gcc2 vs. gcc3 fix.
16:02 < ripclaw> ok !
16:02 * clifford has to go now - cu!
16:03 < ripclaw> cu cliff
16:03 < rxr> cu clifford 
16:03 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
16:11 * ripclaw gotta go
16:12 < ripclaw> cu folks
16:12 < rxr> cu ripclaw 
16:12 < rxr> I'm shortly away, too
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16:25 < th> kann ich irgendwo http-handles per whois querien?
16:26 < tsa> ...back again.
16:33 < esden> tsa: ich habe die ircstats fertig : https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/
16:35 < tsa> esden: jupp, das sieht schon um einiges besser aus...   
16:35 < tsa> hast du das selber gefixt oder gabs ne neue version von der software, mit der du die stats machst?
16:37 < huebi> tsa: esden hat mit dem hexeditor einen wrapper drumherum asembliert :-)
16:37 < tsa> hehe
16:37 < esden> tsa: ich habe es selber gemacht
16:38 < esden> ich schicke den jungs gleich einen patch
16:38 < tsa> esden: hm.....fein. schick nen patch an den maintainer, die freuen sich bestimmt auch..
16:38 < esden> tsa: vielleicht .. ;-)
16:39 < esden> tsa: dass war kein problem dass zu machen ... ich frage mich deshalb wieso die es nicht gemacht haben ...
16:39 < tsa> naja, alternativ schicken sie dir ne mail zurueck, das das alles muell waere und du nur zu dumm bist, ihr programm zu benutzen...
16:39 < esden> tsa: es seidenn ich habe was uebersehen ...
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16:40 < esden> tsa: genau ... ;-)
16:40 < tsa> ist aber wohl eher unwahrscheinlich ;M-)
16:40 < tsa> hehe
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17:02 < esden> soo ich habe es auf deren sf seite submitted ...
17:08 < esden> boa hebe ich nen hunger .. ich gehe mal was zum essen holen ...
17:08 < esden> cheers ... bis spaeter
17:13 < tsa> jo, bis denne.
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17:16 < tsa> hi inode, martin_
17:16 < martin_> hi tsa
17:58 < esden> re
17:58 < esden> hi inode martin_ 
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18:03 < holyolli> moin
18:03 < tsa> tag opfer.
18:04 < holyolli> moin tesa.
18:04 < tsa> wie isses?
18:04 < tsa> alles fit?
18:04 < holyolli> geht
18:04 < tsa> *gaehn*
18:04 < tsa> hm...
18:04 < holyolli> <-- deprimiert
18:04 < holyolli> und selber
18:04 < tsa> wieso das?
18:04 < tsa> och joo....geht wohl.
18:05 < tsa> btw....morgen datenbanken?
18:05 < holyolli> <-- wurde gestern abgefüllt
18:05 < holyolli> *hmm* jo..könnten wa mal machen
18:05 < tsa> rotfl.
18:05 < tsa> von deiner frau?
18:05 < holyolli>  /* no comment */
18:05 < holyolli> <-- _SEHR_ deprimiert
18:05 < tsa> hahaha
18:05 < holyolli> ;-)
18:05 < tsa> *weglach*
18:06 < tsa> ich glaub, du wirst echt langsam alt...
18:06 < holyolli> :-P
18:06 < tsa> schon nen zimmer in der huetten gegenueber von /dev/work reserviert?
18:06 < holyolli> ich habs nur nicht verstanden..das waren 3 biergläser mit bacardi/coke im 50/50 verhältnis... und noch nen weizen und 4 weiter boer
18:06 < holyolli> tsa: !maul
18:06 < tsa> jajaja..
18:07 < holyolli> und diese frau war nicht stramm...also nicht so wie ich
18:07 < tsa> hm...also zumindest nicht deine frau?
18:07 < holyolli> *hüstel*
18:07 < holyolli> <kleinschrift> doch </kleinschrift>
18:07 < tsa> hehe.
18:07 < tsa> hat sie deinen zustand wenigstens ausgenutzt?
18:07 < holyolli> fake: bist du grad da?
18:07 < tsa> ;-)
18:08 < holyolli> tsa: keine ahnung... :-/
18:08 < tsa> oh..
18:08 < holyolli> (eigendlich nicht)
18:09 < holyolli> does anybody know if there's any password recovery procedure for a sgi computer?
18:09 < tsa> prom passwort?
18:09 < holyolli> precisely the system password when starting up
18:09 < tsa> or root?
18:09 < holyolli> "bios"-password
18:10 < tsa> hm....nicht wirklich.
18:10 < tsa> mal aufgemacht und nach jumper etc geschaut?
18:10 < holyolli> nix gefunden
18:10 < tsa> hm.
18:10 < holyolli> aber nicht so genau geschaut...mehr gesaugt ;-)
18:11 < tsa> wassn fuer ne cpu drin? ram?
18:11 < tsa> gfx?
18:13 < esden> new version of desc.vim online : https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/vim/
18:13 < holyolli> keine ahnung
18:13 < holyolli> hi esden
18:13 < esden> hi holyolli !
18:13 < holyolli> is ne graka drin, die aus zwei boards besteht
18:13 < holyolli> mit lsi-chips drauf - mehr keine ahnung...ram ist auch drin ;-)
18:13 < tsa> hm..
18:13 < holyolli> alles andere kann ich erst sagen, wenn ich das passwort habe ;)
18:14 < holyolli> ah
18:15 < holyolli> <-- hat grad post von dettus bekommen mit anleitung :)
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18:21 < jonath[an]> hello there1
18:21 < tsa> hi jonath[an]
18:25 < esden> hi jonath[an] 
18:25 < holyolli> hi jonath[an]
18:26 < jonath[an]> hi all
18:26 < jonath[an]> how are u today?
18:33 < esden> good thanks and you ?
18:35 < jonath[an]> Esden: im fine , a bit tired, but im ok :)
18:36 < holyolli> tsa?
18:37 < holyolli> tsa: System IP22 / Processor: 200MHz r4400 / 64MB RAM / Graphics: GR3-Elan
18:45 < tsa> hm...sind die anderen kisten baugleich?
18:46 < tsa> ich tippe auf gruenes gehause. gleiche bauform wie die kiste, die wir mal @work hatten..
18:46 < holyolli> tsa: nack.
18:46 < holyolli> tsa: beia arbeit hatten wir ne indy
18:47 < tsa> und dieses ist?
18:47 < holyolli> indigo2
18:49 < tsa> hm....was fuer nen monitor gabs dazu?
18:50 < holyolli> 21"
18:50 < holyolli> https://www.futuretech.vuurwerk.nl/pcw5-93i2.html <-- nen bericht
18:50 < holyolli> wobei es nicht ganz die graka ist... aber fast ;)
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18:51 < holyolli> hi clifford_
18:51 < tsa> hi clifford_
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18:52 < jonath[an]> hi DJ. Clifford
18:55 < tsa> holyolli: kuehlkoerper auf der gfx?
18:55 < holyolli> nope
18:55 < tsa> hm...nich mal impct.
18:55 < tsa> +a
18:55 < holyolli> gr3-elan du nase....
18:56 < tsa> taugt der monitor?
18:56 < holyolli> .oO(wer lesen kann ;)
18:56 < holyolli> ja
18:56 < holyolli> macht bunte farben.
18:56 < tsa> ja, is ja gut..
18:57 < tsa> nee, dann werd ich das wohl lassen. impact gfx und und r10k waere interessant gewesen, aber fuer nen r4400 lohnt das imho nich.
18:57 < tsa> ..und der monitor alleine waer mir zu riskant, da ich nicht weiss, ob der mit der sun laufen wuerde..
18:58 < holyolli> https://www.obsolyte.com/sgi_indigo2/ <-- das ist die kiste
19:00 < tsa> hm...jo.
19:00 < tsa> falls du vorhaben solltest, gfx aufzuruesten, vorher informieren..
19:00 < holyolli> wobei die graka schon ganz nett ist, der beschreibung nach
19:01 < tsa> naja, fuer die zeit, aus der die kiste stammt, ist das schon ziemlich gut gewesen..
19:01 < tsa> (grafikleistung)
19:02 < holyolli> tsa: y? was meinst du wegen aufrüsten=
19:03 < tsa> holyolli: die verschiedenfarbigen gehaeuse haben auch nen unterschiedlichen aufbau...die groesseren impact-karten passen nur in die lila gehaeuse..
19:03 < holyolli> ah
19:03 < tsa> ich weiss aber nicht, ab welcher karte genau das gilt..deswegen im zweifelsfall vorher irgendwo infos suchen..
19:03 < esden> holyolli: that is the same box fake posesses 
19:04 < tsa> holyolli: ..und ich vermute mal, du willst das gehause nicht umbedingt fuer ne andere graka zurechtflexen... ;-)
19:04 < holyolli> tsa: ma schaun ;-P
19:05 * -> esden drueckt dem holyolli ne flex in die hand ;-)
19:05 < holyolli> esden: is fake running rock or irix on the machine?
19:05 < holyolli> esden: yo...thx! ;)
19:05 < tsa> holyolli: argh....das tut man nicht, das ist schlimmer als vaterlandsverrat ;)
19:05 < esden> holyolli: currently debian AFAIK
19:06 < esden> holyolli: but he has also irix on the machine ...
19:06 < rxr> wow dRock's new kernel config stuff works ;-) 
19:06 < esden> rxr: o_O
19:07 < esden> huebi: r u here ?
19:07 < tsa> holyolli: die sgi von neulich auf ebay waere high impact gewesen, allerdings auch nur r4400 250mhz
19:08 < huebi> esden: Yes
19:08 < holyolli> tsa: für wieviel?
19:08 < jonath[an]> rxr: my xfree prob was a MTTR bug, and the sis driver was suckingwith my right video card, i had to use sis 530 driver instead
19:08 < jonath[an]> dRock is cool now
19:08 < rxr> jonath[an]: Nice to hear!
19:09 < tsa> holyolli: ist weggegangen fuer 250 $ ...
19:09 < holyolli> tsa: naja...von daher kann man diese indigo schon alt preiswerter bezeichnen..zumal halt auch kein versand draufkommt
19:10 < tsa> holyolli: jup...die andere kiste haette noch schoene software und nen 20" dabeigehabt, aber wegen gewicht waere versand einfach zu teuer gewesen..
19:10 < esden> huebi: bist du sehr beschaeftigt ? wenn nicht schaue dir pz-config an ... mich wuerde interessieren was du darueber denkst ... ich ueberlege mir sowas auch fuer 1.7 zu machen ... so in der art ... denn wir die .desc files sind schon ziemlich komplex geworden .. ;-)
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19:11 < huebi> esden: mach ich. Jetzt geh' ich erst mal mit meiner Fabilie noch kurz vor die tuer :-))
19:11 * -> esden denkt ... dass vielleicht paar UML grafiken nicht schlaecht waehren fuer 1.7 damin man bissel die dateiabhaengigkeit dokumentiert ...
19:11 < tsa> holyolli: naja, der preis ist definitiv ok, aber imho primaer wegen dem 21" ..
19:12 < esden> hmm ...
19:12 < tsa> die kiste ist nettes spielzeug als beigabe ;)
19:12 < holyolli> tsa: l33t3s spielzeug ;-)
19:12 < esden> ich hasse dass ./scripts/Download so lange braucht !!!
19:12 < tsa> holyolli: hehe
19:13 < huebi> esden: Download bei 3 x parallel hier local in 11 min ;>
19:13 < esden> huebi: haha ...
19:13 < tsa> huebi: base only?
19:13 < huebi> tsa: -all
19:13 < esden> ich habe leider meine kiste nicht in der uni ...
19:13 < tsa> huebi: anbindung?
19:13 < esden> hier habe ich download raten vot 1MB sekunde
19:14 < esden> manchmal auch mehr ..
19:15 < huebi> ~11 MB/s 100MBit FD
19:15 < esden> ahh dass ist ok .. ich teste mal kurz ...
19:17 < huebi> kde kommt jetzt von aussen die Leitung reingekrochen ;-)
19:17 < huebi> bist spaeter
19:17 < huebi> ;-)
19:21 -!- blindy|away is now known as blindcoder
19:21 < blindcoder> konban wa, mina-san!
19:21 < tsa> hm?
19:22 < blindcoder> g'evening @all ;)
19:22 < tsa> aaaah.
19:22 < holyolli> hi blindcoder
19:22 < jonath[an]> hi blindcoder 
19:29 < term_aweh> hi blindcoder
19:29 < esden> hehe xinvaders is cool ....
19:30 < esden> ftp://ftp.leo.org/pub/comp/os/unix/linux/sunsite/games/arcade/invaders/xinvaders.tar.gz
19:31 < blindcoder> esden> yepp it is
19:32 < esden> ahh hi blindcoder 
19:32 < esden> ;-)
19:32 < huebi> re\
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19:34 < holyolli> hi huebi
19:34 < huebi_> hi holyolli 
19:34 < tsa> noch nen huebi..
19:34 < huebi_> Schizophrenie?
19:34 < esden> re huebi_ 
19:34 < tsa> muss wohl..
19:34 < blindcoder> split personality ;)
19:34 < huebi_> hi huebi 
19:34 < tsa> kannst ja den anderen client wegschiessen..
19:34 < huebi_> hehe
19:35 * -> esden ist jetzt in #megatokyo@irc.megatokyo.com ;-)
19:35 < huebi_> tsa: Nee, das ist meine screen session, die ich nur noch in der linux console wieder aufrufen kann. Keine Ahnung, was da los ist ;-(
19:36 < tsa> hm...komisch das.
19:36 < esden> huebi: screen -D -RR 
19:36 < esden> huebi: versucht ?
19:37 < huebi_> tsa: Jo. Da tauchen immer nur so 2-3 Zeilen auf bei screen -rD 
19:37 * jonath[an] is using screen -D -RR with Splitvt and running BitchX in two differentes servers
19:40 < huebi_> aszlig: screen -x did work before really perfect
19:40 < blindcoder> verdammt.... jetzt hab ich zwöfl desktops und die reichen immer noch net...
19:41 < tsa> kauf dir 12 monitore. mit 144 desktops solltest du eigentlich hinkommen.. ;)
19:41 < huebi_> *g*
19:41 < blindcoder> hmm naja... 6 monitore hab ich ja schon... nur net angeschlossen
19:41 < aszlig> huebi_: ?
19:42 < huebi_> aszlig: jo?
19:43 < aszlig> < huebi_> aszlig: ...
19:43 < huebi> aszlig: ??
19:44 < aszlig> huebi: hrm, never mind ;)
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20:07 < holyolli> re
20:07 < tsa> re holyolli
20:09 < rxr> is someone here experienced in GIMP scripting ?
20:10 < tsa> <- sysadmin, not webdesigner ;)
20:10 < rxr> tsa: it is not for web-design ;-)
20:10 < huebi_> hi holyolli 
20:11 < holyolli> rxr: tsa says this everytime...
20:11 < rxr> hehe
20:11 < jonath[an]> *g
20:12 < holyolli> rxr: he has some bad memories when he was at work and said that he knows windows-server-stuff... *eg*
20:12 < huebi_> *LOOOL*
20:12 < tsa> holyolli: my gimp knowledge still is sufficient to make a new background image when you forgot to log yourself off again..
20:12 < tsa> i don't need anything more.
20:13 < huebi_> Btw. tsa, where do I have to tweek eNTe for more performance?
20:13 < holyolli> tsa: yes..but this time it was <beabsichtigt> to stay logged in... :-P
20:13 < huebi_> ;-))))
20:13 < tsa> holyolli: uhm...afaik it was _you_ telling i had windoze skillz :-P
20:13 < holyolli> tsa: yes..but you ack'ed it :-P
20:14 < tsa> holyolli: to transfer your porn collection to the backup server, i know...
20:14 < jonath[an]> xDD
20:14 < huebi_> Wait a moment I need a beer
20:14 < huebi_> for that flame ;P
20:15 < tsa> huebi_: i have no idea. you could try to rewrite the code.
20:15 < huebi_> ok. Go go go go!
20:15 < tsa> hehe
20:15 < holyolli> tsa: erm..you don't have to transfer _your_ doings to mine...i just backuped some movies ;)
20:16 < tsa> hehe....it wasn't _my_ movies...
20:16 < holyolli> tsa: that's right..i don't want to have your pOrn-stuff....
20:16 < holyolli> ;)
20:16 < jonath[an]> hehe
20:17 < tsa> -rw-r--r--    1 holyolli    users   509MB Holyolli.and.girlfriend.avi
20:17 < tsa> hm...
20:18 < holyolli> *hmm* but there's one error:
20:18 < holyolli> id holyolli
20:18 < holyolli> id: holyolli: No such user
20:18 < holyolli> :-P
20:18 < jonath[an]> can i get that video tsa?
20:18 < jonath[an]> *g
20:18 < tsa> oh....so you don't even exist..
20:19 < tsa> jonath[an]: sure...what's your credit card number? ;-)
20:19 < jonath[an]> hehe
20:19 < tsa> holyolli: shup up now...we're just about to earn some money with this ;-)
20:19 < holyolli> tsa: ack.
20:19 * tsa laughing..
20:19 < jonath[an]> LOL
20:19 < tsa> holyolli: 50/50 ok?
20:19 < holyolli> jonath[an]: i have also some hidden cam-videos from tsa@home ;-)
20:20 < holyolli> tsa: jo
20:20 < esden> argh ... this dietlibc mailinglist is terrible ... or at least the subscription mechanism sux
20:20 < tsa> .oO( dd if=/dev/zero of=holyolli.part2.avi )
20:20 < jonath[an]> esden:
20:20 < jonath[an]> esden: about dietlibc....
20:20 < tsa> now i can even make custom videos...
20:20 < tsa> ;)
20:20 < jonath[an]> esden: is the prob is srcs solved?
20:21 < tsa> hm....let's see..
20:21 < jonath[an]> esden: is the prob in Rock srcs solved?
20:21 < tsa> dd if=/dev/zero of=esden.and.huebi.mpeg  <- anyone interested? ;-)
20:22 < tsa> *G*
20:22 < jonath[an]> -=[LOL]-=
20:24 < esden> tsa: yes sure send it to me on my avian carriers connected box avian://esden@esden.net
20:24 < tsa> hehe
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20:48 < huebi_> https://www.heise.de/ct/browsercheck/n6demo1.shtml?tpath=%2Fetc%2Fhosts <- Mozilla bug greater 0.9.7
20:49 < tsa> already known....bugtraq
20:49 < tsa> galeon 1.2.0 doesn't seem to be affected..
20:49 < holyolli> ...und heise news
20:49 < huebi_> > /usr/bin/install -c strip -m 755 rsync /usr/bin
20:49 < huebi_> > /usr/bin/install: cannot stat `strip': No such file or directory
20:49 < huebi_> > make: *** [install] Error 1
20:49 < huebi_> /var/adm/logs/3-rsync.out -> 3-rsync.err
20:49 < huebi_> any ideas?
20:50 < holyolli> nope - is the same at alpha ;)
20:50 < holyolli> <-- wanted also to question this
20:51 < huebi_> I'll have a look at it now...
20:52 < huebi_> Where do I find the SF cvs
20:52 < huebi_> ?
20:52 < huebi_> I never used it ;-)
20:53 < esden> huebi_: I have fixed it some time ago ... not ?
20:53 < tsa> huebi
20:53 < tsa> export CVS_RSH="ssh"
20:54 < tsa> export CVSROOT=:ext:USERNAME@cvs.rock-package.sourceforge.net:/cvsroot/rock-package
20:54 < tsa> cvs co package
20:55 < esden> huebi_: I have the patch ...
20:55 < esden> i send it to you as mail ...
20:55 < huebi_> esden: I got it
20:56 < esden> ???
20:56 < huebi_> from www.rocklinux.org
20:56 < esden> ahh ok
20:56 < esden> sorry ...
20:56 * jonath[an] jonath[awa] 
20:56 < esden> I have to look through if there are pending patches on my machine ...
20:56 -!- jonath[an] is now known as jonath[awa]
20:58 < holyolli> question...is libsafe essentially needed for alpha? it doesn't want to compile in any way.... :(
20:59 < tsa> no.
20:59 < tsa> read [I] and [T].
21:00 < tsa> it's a security add-on, but you don't need it.
21:00 < holyolli> ah i c
21:00 < tsa> it tries to protect the stack.
21:01 < tsa> this is arch-specific code. i guess it won't compile on anything but ia-32
21:01 < holyolli> ack.
21:02 < huebi_> strip.patch for rsync is adjusted to 1.5 and applied.
21:02 < holyolli> huebi: dcc mal bitte ;)
21:04 < holyolli> thx
21:04 < huebi_> so, now i know /dcc send. Quite easy
21:05 < holyolli> *lol*
21:05 < huebi_> I never did that before ;)
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21:07 < huebi_> hmm, downloading OOo_1.0.0_source.tar.bz2 needs some patinece
21:07 < esden> grrrrrrr ....
21:07 < huebi_> esden: Fass!
21:07 < esden> *metzel*
21:08 < huebi_> esden: braves Hundchen
21:08 < esden> *gg*
21:08 < esden> *ruelps*
21:08 < huebi_> esden: so und jezt leg ab! das Bein mehmen wir nicht mit nach Hause
21:09 < huebi_> hehe\
21:09 < esden> *lieben-hundeblick-aufsetz*
21:09 < tsa> hehehe
21:09 < huebi_> *esdentaetschel*
21:10 < esden> *bein-vor-huebi-ableg*
21:10 < huebi_> uups
21:11 < esden> *fragendschau*
21:11 < tsa> huebi: hm...wie lange hast du gebraucht, bis du esden das alles beigebracht hast? ;-)
21:11 < huebi_> Fein, hier ein grosser Hundekeks
21:12 < esden> *auf-den-boden-leg-und-genuesslich-am-keks-rumbeiss*
21:12 < huebi_> 10 min mit dem Elektroschocker. Offiziell aber 2 Jahre Hundetraining. *g*
21:13 < esden> *keks-zu-ende-fress-und-huebi-verspeiss* *mit-huebi's-bein-im-maul-wieder-nachhausegeh*
21:15 < holyolli> hehe
21:16 < blindcoder> tja... auf die hundewschulen ist halt kein verlass mehr
21:17 < esden> blindcoder: dass hat man davon wenn man hacker-hunde daheim haelt ;-)
21:18 < blindcoder> schon...
21:19 < blindcoder> oder otaku-dogs. die schaun sich die animes immer gleich an wenn sie sie in die pfoten bekommen haben ;)
21:20 < holyolli> huebi: kann es sein, dass rpm nicht mehr baut?
21:21 < blindcoder> --- cut ---
21:21 < blindcoder> Unser bester Programmierer der Piotr Esden
21:21 < blindcoder> --- cut ---
21:22 < tsa> hehe
21:22 * tsa haengt esden mal ne Steuermarke um.
21:22 < tsa> ...sonst kommt er noch ins Heim..
21:22 < tsa> ;-)
21:22 < blindcoder> :)
21:22 < holyolli> <-- geht mal den maulkorb suchen...
21:22 * blindcoder erschiesst esden#
21:23 < blindcoder> hatte tollwut
21:23 < tsa> notschlachten?
21:23 < tsa> oh.
21:23 < tsa> hm...naja, koennen ja immer noch seife kochen ;)
21:24 < blindcoder> neee mit dem wasch ich mich net...
21:24 < holyolli> *hmm* irgendwo gabs ja auch hundefleischtee oder so..vieleich können wir ihn ja noch gewinnbringen verkaufen...
21:25 < holyolli> tsa: wann ist morgen datenbanken?
21:25 < tsa> 12-14. frag mich nicht, wo..
21:26 < holyolli> wo? *duck*
21:30 < blindcoder> hmm ich schau mir noch nen letzten anime an dann geh ich ins betti
21:30 < blindcoder> gute ancht alle miteinander
21:30 -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|sleeping
21:30 < tsa> cu blindy|sleeping
21:30 < tsa> gut' nacht..
21:32 < huebi_> cu blindy|sleeping 
21:33 < huebi_> holyolli: rpm funktioniert hier
21:33 < holyolli> hm
21:33 < holyolli> das patchen klappt .net
21:33 < tsa> -p0 <--> -p1
21:33 < holyolli> der db3-patch
21:34 < holyolli> naja..das Build-script sollte es einfach machen. und das tut es nicht ;)
21:34 < huebi_> rpm/rpm-4.0.4.tar.gz ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-4.0.x/
21:34 < holyolli> jo...
21:35 < huebi_> in 1.5 gibt's kein db3-patch
21:35 < huebi_> nur no_src_redhat.patch
21:35 < holyolli> *hmm* und warum ist der dann da drin...? *wunder*
21:36 < holyolli> dann schmeiss ich den hier mal raus... ;)
21:36 < huebi_> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/base-config/rpm/no_src_redhat.patch?rev=1.2&content-type=text/plain
21:37 < huebi_> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/rpm/#no_src_redhat.patch
21:37 < tsa> aehm...
21:37 < tsa> holyolli: auf welchem tree arbeitest du?
21:38 < holyolli> tsa: 1.5
21:38 < tsa> hm...in huebi's tree ist kein db3-patch. in 1.7 ist auch keiner....wo hast du deinen tree her? *wunder*
21:38 < holyolli> _das_ frag ich mich auch...vieleicht war das nen älterer patc
21:38 < holyolli> +h
21:39 < holyolli> ich hab eigendlich nen cvs-update von huebis tree gemacht
21:39 < holyolli> also vor ein paar tagen
21:39 < tsa> vor nen paar tagen == alt.
21:39 < huebi_> holyolli: cvs co rock-1.5 ;-)
21:39 < huebi_> Seit fuenf wochen hat sich bei rpm nichts mehr geaendert
21:40 < holyolli> huebi: wie ist denn das, wenn ich einzelne files schon für alpha entsprechend geändert habe...gibts sowas wie nen cvs diff?
21:40 < huebi_> ja, aber frag mich nicht, wie das funktioniert.
21:41 < holyolli> hm
21:42 < huebi_> holyolli: Du kannst mir deinen cvs-tree einfach bzip2en und uploaden. Ich merge das dann einfach mal ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload/
21:43 < holyolli> *hm* o.k. - wobei ich nicht weiss, was wirklich davon auf den cvs sollte.. ;)
21:44 < huebi_> Was koennte denn nicht mit drauf sollen?
21:44 < holyolli> unsaubere fixes
21:44 < holyolli> ;)
21:44 < huebi_> sind die denn getestet?
21:44 < holyolli> bin dabei
21:45 < holyolli> die sind aber halt nur für alpha und sollten bei intel nichts tun...und das muss ich noch nachsehen ;)
21:45 < huebi_> axo
21:48 < huebi_> du kannst sie mir auch so geben, ich bin sowieso gerade am testen ;-)
21:48 < holyolli> <-- liest grad manpage von cvs ;)
21:48 < tsa> oerghl..
21:48 < tsa> nimm lieber das cvs-rcs-howto
21:49 < tsa> -> google.
21:49 < holyolli> www.linuxdoc.org - ich weiss ;-)
21:50 < huebi_> ohh cvs u=is updated
21:50 < huebi_> holyolli: https://www.cvshome.org/docs/manual/ <- das nehme ich
21:56 < holyolli> hm
21:57 < huebi_> https://users.footprints.net/~kaz/mcvs.html <- und das werde ich noch in cvs mit einbauen. ;-)
22:02 < huebi_> Wie bekomme ich eigendlich die http Anfragen an rocklinux.dyndns.org durch den Rechner hindurch ins lokale netz zur Nimdafangmaschine weitergeleitet?
22:03 < holyolli> man mod_rewrite? ;-)
22:03 < huebi_> holyolli: Hast du sowas schon mal gemacht?
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22:04 < holyolli> huebi: bisher noch nicht in dem masse
22:05 < huebi_> lol
22:05 < huebi_>  ``The great thing about mod_rewrite is it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail. The downside to mod_rewrite is that it gives you all the configurability and flexibility of Sendmail.''
22:05 < huebi_>      -- Brian Behlendorf
22:05 < huebi_>      Apache Group 
22:05 < holyolli> *lol*
22:05 < tsa> hehehehe
22:05 < huebi_>  `` Despite the tons of examples and docs, mod_rewrite is voodoo. Damned cool voodoo, but still voodoo. '' 
22:05 < huebi_> Arghhh
22:05 < holyolli> hehe
22:06 < holyolli> huebi's new profession: voodoo-master ;-)
22:06 < holyolli> <-- has some remindings to monkey island ;)
22:07 < th> huebi_: is die hardware eigentlich schon bei smp?
22:08 < huebi_> vorhin war die diskussion mit sendmail. Ich habe erst vor ~1.5 Jahren herrausgefunden, das es eine sendmail.m4 gibt und habe bis dahin immer die sendmail.cf von Hand direkt bearbeitet. .oO Jetzt geht das schon wieder los...
22:08 < huebi_> th: Jo, seit Montag.
22:08 < huebi_> th Tach auch ;-)
22:09 < th> jo tach
22:09 < th> ich mach gerade mal ein paar apache-* updates... mod_python-4.7.8 php-4.2.0 apache 1.3.24
22:09 < huebi_> moch 10 min und qt-3.0.3 ist gar ...
22:09 < huebi_> th: sehr gut
22:12 < huebi_> Ich habe diese woche ein script fuer apache 1.3.24, mod_perl, php, mm, MySQL geschrieben. geht jetzt fuer Anfaenger ganz einfach zu bauen. Wichtig fuer gleiche Softwarestaende auf allen Maschinen.
22:17 < ringo78> I am getting some trouble with X (fbdev) (EE) FBDev(0): Specified fbbpp (15) is not a permitted value. What's wrong here ?
22:18 < huebi_> Sun hat Interesse ROCK Linux zu unterstuetzen ;-)))
22:18 < holyolli> hihi...warum das?
22:18 < huebi_> ringo78: wrong colour depth
22:18 < holyolli> verkaufen die nu suns im rock-design? ;)
22:19 < ringo78> what do I alter ?
22:19 < th> huebi_: wow. in wiefern?
22:20 < th> huebi_: sinnvoll waere es, wenn dein script meine extensions benutzt. alles andere bringt redundanz und doppelten update aufwand
22:20 < huebi_> holyolli: Weil ich bei denen immer mal wieder, so alle 2 Monate mal nachgefragt habe. Mal sehen ob es eine Blade 1000 oder 2000 mit zwei dicken Prozessoren gibt.
22:20 < holyolli> k3wl
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22:20 < kvak|uninvited> Hellooooooo
22:21 < ringo78> huebi_ Do yo you know where I can set it ? Somewhere in XF86Config ??
22:22 < holyolli> hi kvak
22:22 < huebi_> th: Is fuer 'nen Kunden. Und der Sabine mit 2 Monaten Unix Erfahrung den Rock Build beizubringen, ist etwas, was mir dann doch erst mal zu aufwendig war. Kommt aber noch. ;-)
22:22 < th> hehe ok
22:23 < huebi_> ringo78: DefaultDepth 15
22:23 < huebi_>     Subsection "Display"
22:23 < huebi_>         Depth       24
22:23 < huebi_> change DefaultDepth to 8
22:23 < ringo78> thanks huebi_ !
22:23 < huebi_> ringo78: in XF86Config
22:23 < huebi_> ringo78: or 16
22:24 < huebi_> ringo78: just test it
22:24 < ringo78> I'll try it thanks !
22:24 < huebi_> :-)
22:26 < huebi_> die SUN BLADE 1000 mit 2x900MHz ist genau so schnell, wie 2x Athlon MP1200
22:26 < huebi_> na mal sehen, was sich mit SUN zusammen machen laesst.
22:26 < holyolli> jo
22:27 < holyolli> und wo sollen die kisten dann hin und was soll mit denen genau gemacht werden?
22:27 < huebi_> Rock-Linux auf Ultrasparc III portiert werden
22:28 < huebi_> entweder zu mir oder vielleicht zu SMP. 
22:29 < huebi_> Am liebsten waere mir hier wegen des direkten Hardwarezugriffes.
22:30 < huebi_> hmm qt braucht schon 41 min ....???
22:30 < holyolli> wie ist eigendlich der aktuelle stand von rock auf mips?
22:30 < huebi_> holyolli: fake und clifford fragen
22:31 < holyolli> tsa?
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22:36 < huebi_> 48 min fur qt. ging schon mal schneller..
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22:41 < huebi_> th: sudo is updated on the ftp server...
22:41 < esden> menno muss fileutils so gross sein ... *heul*
22:41 < huebi_> esden: Ja!
22:41 < huebi_> hehe
22:41 < esden> huebi_: ah mennooo *nochmehrheul*
22:42 < esden> *schrei* *flenn*
22:42 < th> huebi_: oh also 404?
22:42 < th> und ich bin maintainer?
22:43 < huebi_> # [M] Tobias Hintze <th@rocklinux.org>
22:43 < huebi_> th kein 404 aber 1.5 -> 1.6.6
22:44 < th> # [D] 681056499 sudo.tar.gz ftp://ftp.sudo.ws/pub/sudo/
22:45 < th> hehe
22:45 < th> also cksum korrigieren
22:45 < huebi_> jo
22:45 < th> schon dabei
22:46 < th> gehoert bei nicht-versionstragenden URLs eigentlich auf 0 gesetzt
22:47 < th> sudo adapted
22:47 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A50.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
22:47 < snyke> hi all
22:47 < holyolli> hi snyke
22:49 < huebi_> hi snyke 
22:50 < huebi_> th danke
22:55 < th> huebi_: wie kann ich in 1.5er extensions files explizit von der flist ausschliessen?
22:55 < th> apache-php beinhaltet wegen manipulationen an httpd.conf selbige in der flist
22:56 < huebi_> th: Weiss ich nicht. Das muesste aber clifford genau wissen.
22:56 < th> clifford_: gabs da ne exclude option?
23:00 < huebi_> th:  lass die httpd.conf doch unberuehrt und aendere das mit einem setup script unter /etc/setup.d/
23:02 < th> ungern
23:02 < th> wer fuehrt die scripts unter /etc/setup.d/ aus?
23:03 < huebi_> th /usr/sbin/pkg-install
23:04 < huebi_> 3h02 fuer download von OpenOffice 1.0 src
23:05 < rxr> th: das install_bin nach der installation ...
23:05 < huebi_> rxr: Aber nur, wenn du das packet nicht nachinstallierst.
23:08 < huebi_> pkg-install braucht da wohl noch eine erweiterung...
23:12 < th> ich mach immer nur ./Build-Pkg
23:13 < huebi_> th: in apache.conf kanst du noch die Funktionen update() und setup() einbauen. IIRC
23:14 < th> ich baue ja nur .ext
23:14 < holyolli> has this "cc1: warnings being treated as errors" any reason or is it possible to disable this feature?
23:14 < th> es gab da aber ne variable zum excluden fuer die flist IIRC
23:14 < th> .conf ist dann autogenerated
23:14 < huebi_> dann in .ext
23:15 * huebi_ liest gerade man sudo. Sehr interessant.
23:16 < tsa> huebi: sudo noch nie benutzt?
23:16 < huebi_> noe, nie Zeit gehabt und immer vertraueswuerdige user.
23:16 < th> huebi_: also die funktionen setup und update in das .ext file reinnehmen?
23:16 < tsa> huebi: ist eigentlich aeusserst praktisch..
23:17 < th> schon alleine weil ich keine root-passwoerter tippen will
23:19 < huebi_> Ich weiss nicht, wie das mit den Funktionen geht. Das muss aber irgendwo in der Docu stehen.
23:24 < th> huebi_: was meintest du vorhin mit der sun unterstuetzung?
23:25 < huebi_> th: das die eine schnelle Maschine mit 1-2 _sehr_ schnellen CPU's fuer Rocklinux zur Verfuegung stellen.
23:26 < huebi_> hat jemand erfahrung mit rdist?
23:26 < th> cool.
23:26 < th> huebi_: fuer sparc porting oder als server?
23:27 < huebi_> fuer sparc porting
23:27 < th> sehr geil
23:27 < huebi_> th: Aber sehr zaeh, die Sunnies
23:29 < huebi_> ftp://ftp.sun.com/pub/ <- alles lehr. Nur fuer uns, hehe
23:30 < huebi_> s/lehr/leer/
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23:30 < tsa> hm?
23:30 < tsa> wie jetzt?
23:30 < huebi_> ftp platz von sun ist auch eine gute idee
23:31 < tsa> wieso ist ftp.sun.com ploetzlich leer?
23:31 * tsa versteht grad gar nix.
23:32 < huebi_> tsa: Es ist einfach leeh. Warum ist doch klar: ROCKlinux kommt. ;-))))
23:32 < huebi_> ftp://ftp.sun.com/pub/
23:32 < tsa> warum sollte rocklinux dahin kommen?
23:33 < tsa> <- doof
23:33 < huebi_> tsa <- auf der leitung steh
23:33 < holyolli> +t
23:33 < holyolli> ;)
23:33 < tsa> huebi: ja, im moment definitiv. ich raff hier grad gar nix mehr.
23:33 < tsa> ich such ma nen bier.
23:34 < tsa> *plopp*
23:34 < tsa> soo..
23:34 < huebi_> tsa: Weil SUN das Engagement fuer Linux geaendert hat. Jetzt koennen die vielleicht ja auch ftp platz mit dicker Leitung sponsoren
23:35 < tsa> huebi: dass Sun in Zukunft was mit Linux machen will, weiss ich auch....
23:36 < huebi_> Squid/2.4.STABLE6 <- Das war ein guter Tip. Jetzt geht es wieder ohne lag
23:36 < tsa> hehe.
23:36 < esden> weeeeee !!!! ich habe es geschaft!!! weeeeee !!! ich habe geschafft fileutils mit dietlibc zu bauen !!! weeeee!!!
23:36 < tsa> wer ueberzeugt sun davon, dass sie rock nehmen sollen?
23:36 < tsa> huch?
23:37 < esden> *jump-around* *jump-around*
23:37 * tsa geht in Deckung..
23:37 < huebi_> esden: fefeutils-0.0.1 hehehe Herxlichen Gluehstrumpf!! :-)))
23:37 * -> esden fuchtelt mit don armen herum
23:38 < esden> dass war aber ne scheisse!!! 
23:38 < tsa> hm....geht wohl nicht anders, sonst verletzt er noch wen..
23:38 < tsa> *pfanneraushol*
23:38 < holyolli> *fg*
23:38 < tsa> Dooooong!
23:38 < tsa> so, nu sollte esden ruhig sein ;)
23:38 < huebi_> tsa: Sun hat schon ewig ein eigenes Linux in den Cobalt servern
23:39 < esden> tsa kitzel mich net !!
23:39 < tsa> huebi: sie sollten rock nehmen. (und mir nen a1000 schenken)
23:39 < huebi_> ..und da sach noch einer so eine schwarz/weiss Konsole sei nicht lustig... ;-))))))
23:40 < esden> tsa: dass bringt eh nichts denn mein kopf ist leer und dann bringt darauf hauen nichts ;-)
23:40 < huebi_> tsa: Wenn, dann richtig: E15k
23:40 < tsa> huebi: ich hab kein starkstrom hier..
23:40 < holyolli> .oO(hey..dann könnte man esden als kirchenglocke verkaufen und kohle machen...und von der kohle ziehen wir uns ne fette sun)
23:40 < tsa> hehe
23:41 < huebi_> tsa: Schmeiss den Herd raus. der Anschluss reicht.
23:41 < tsa> hehe
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23:43 < huebi_> fuer 'nen cluster muss halt der Durchlauferhitzer dran glauben... ;-)
23:43 < tsa> geht klar, kein ding.
23:43 < tsa> ich hab noch nen kuehlschrank..
23:44 < rxr> tsa: der haengt aber wohl an ner normalen steckdose ..
23:44 < tsa> rxr: ok...den tausch' ich dann gegen ne blade.
23:45 < rxr> tsa: wirf liever den herd raus in die fridge gehoehrt das beer ;-)
23:45 < tsa> hehe.
23:45 < huebi_> Enterpise 3500 = Minibar ;-)
23:45 < tsa> achja....ausserdem haette ich gerne noch nen case von ner v880...so als kleinerschrank waer das echt kultig.
23:45 < holyolli> hehe
23:45 < tsa> s,n,d,
23:46 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/test/fileutils-4.1.8.bak/src# ls -la ls
23:46 < esden> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       216511 May  2 00:36 ls
23:46 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/test/fileutils-4.1.8.bak/src# ls -la /bin/ls
23:46 < esden> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        45344 Dec 28 04:39 /bin/ls
23:46 < huebi_> tsa: eine neue Origin 3400 macht sich auch gut
23:46 < esden> hmpf
23:46 < rxr> esden: urgh
23:46 < rxr> esden: this is big!
23:47 < huebi_> rxr: Tetris inside
23:47 < esden> rxr: yes the first one is with dietlibc and the second one the normal one with glibc
23:47 < tsa> esden: haeh?
23:47 < snyke> ah
23:47 < snyke> hi esden 
23:47 < tsa> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        46624 Sep  4  2001 /bin/ls
23:47 < tsa> glibc
23:47 < tsa> da passt irgendwas bei dir nich.
23:49 < esden> hi snyke 
23:49 < esden> tsa: warum ?
23:49 < rxr> fairer weise muesstest du static ls von glibc mit der dietlibc vergleichen ...
23:49 < esden> rxr: momment ...
23:49 < rxr> aber deine dietlibc teil kommt mir seltsam vor
23:50 < rxr> clifford_ meinte die werden so 10% groeser ...
23:50 < rxr> oder benutzt ls so viele functionen ?
23:51 < tsa> huebi: wo wir schon dabei sind...ich haette dann gerne auch noch nen type5 keyboard mit ps2-anschluss.. ;-)
23:51 < tsa> tippt sich einfach prima mit den teilen..
23:51 < huebi_> tsa: Das kann ripclaw besorgen. Der sitzt direkt an der Quelle.
23:52 < tsa> huebi: ja...mit sun-anschluss...
23:52 < tsa> type6 gibt's als USB..
23:52 < huebi_> tsa: kann man doch umloeten, oder?
23:52 < tsa> huebi: AFAIK nein.
23:53 < esden> rxr: wie bringe ich dem ding bei dass es static compiliert ....
23:53 < esden> hmm ...
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23:54 < rxr> esden: -static?
23:54 < tsa> huebi: sun keyboard benutzen TTL RS232 bei 1200 baud.
23:54 < rxr> und older -Lblablabla.a ? ;_)
23:54 < rxr> tsa: ist doch kool - pack es an die com
23:54 < rxr> und hack nen Linux treiber ;-)
23:55 < tsa> hehe
23:56 < huebi_> ringo78: does your X work now?
23:59 < rxr> schit
23:59 < huebi_> rxr: from a cow?
23:59 < rxr> warum will der image-magic muell denn X11 connecten - kann man das abstellen?
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23:59 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/test/fileutils-4.1.8/src# ls -la ls
23:59 < esden> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       528674 May  2 00:59 ls
23:59 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/test/fileutils-4.1.8/src# ls -la /bin/ls
23:59 < esden> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root        45344 Dec 28 04:39 /bin/ls
23:59 < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/test/fileutils-4.1.8/src# ls -la ../../fileutils-4.1.8.bak/src/ls
23:59 < esden> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       216511 May  2 00:36 ../../fileutils-4.1.8.bak/src/ls
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