--- Log opened Fri May 03 00:00:00 2002
--- Day changed Fri May 03 2002
00:00 < Mike1> im sorry 
00:00 < rxr> some initial confusen was created becasue Rip said he ships it - but meant he does some major testing before ... ;-)
00:00 < hackbard> my alst info is that it all works
00:01 < Mike1> hackbard u got it?
00:01 < jonath[an]> Mike1: what about the work?
00:01 < hackbard> no not yet too
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00:02 < Mike1> hackbard that suxs
00:02 < Mike1> jonath[an] hold on
00:03 < tomik> hello 
00:03 < Mike1> hi tomik 
00:05 < jonath[an]> hi
00:06 < hackbard> hi tomik
00:06 < hackbard> miguel, well he has a lot of work, i am kinda busy too (lazy) - so its okay for me :)
00:06 < Mike1> hackbard yeah
00:19 < jonath[an]> hackbard: arrhhgg, i hate ur lazyness, which i desire :(
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00:34 < jonath[an]> arrgg
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00:48 < Mike1> re
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00:55 < rxr> 6n8
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02:50 < tsa> n8
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03:28 < Mike1> exi
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04:45 < jonath[an]> umm
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06:15 < rxr> moin
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06:58 < rxr> freed: is it you? (or only a reconnect :-()
07:29 < huebi_> moin
07:32 < rxr> moin
07:33 < huebi_> rxr: hast du eine idee, wie ich egcs64 davon abhalten kann unter intel comiliert zu werden?
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07:34 < huebi_> re
07:40 < rxr> huebi_: im packet if [ $arch_bla "sparc" ]
07:40 < rxr> oder so aehnlich ...
07:40 < rxr> ist unschoen - in 1.7 geht das dann viel toller ...
07:41 < rxr> huebi schau dir mal die glibc an
07:41 < rxr> if [ "$arch_machine" = "alpha" ] ; then
07:43 < rxr> bich weg
07:43 < rxr> cu
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07:47 < huebi_> rxr_fh: danke
07:47 < huebi_> rxr_fh: werde ich mid ansehen.
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08:33 < jonath[an]> hello
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09:05 < jonath[an]> hello guys
09:07 < s713261> morn
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09:09 < jonath[an]> hi martin
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10:13 < clifford> hi.
10:14 < jonath[an]> good morning tuxtronix
10:14 < jonath[an]> ;)
10:14 < clifford> jonath[an]: *grin*
10:16 < martin_> hi clifford
10:16 < clifford> hi.
10:16 < jonath[an]> what about ur music production dj clifford?
10:16 < clifford> jonath[an]: at the moment I have no time fr producing.
10:17 < jonath[an]> well, and i dunt have to try too much Rock
10:18 < clifford> I have three songs in production (which are far away from beeing finished yet): a soft rock song together with "Falling Angel", and Hardcore/Gabber Song in cooperation with "DJ Joey" and a dancfloor song without a partner.
10:20 < clifford> why do I get so much spam???
10:22 < clifford> and why can't I connect to userfirendly.org?
10:22 * clifford is a sooo poor boy ... :-(
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10:38 < hackbard> moin
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10:54 < jonath[an]> hello hackbard 
10:59 < huebi> Moep!
10:59 < jonath[an]> brb
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11:12 < huebi> hi rxr_fh 
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11:14 < holyolli> moin
11:14 < huebi> hi holyolli 
11:14 < holyolli> moin huebi
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11:19 < holyolli> hi freed
11:27 < jonath[an]> hi guys
11:27 < holyolli> hi jonath[an]
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11:44 < tsa> tag.
11:44 < holyolli> moin tsa
11:44 < clifford> hi tsa.
11:44 < huebi> moin tsa 
11:44 < tsa> hopps....is ja schon richtig was los hier... ;)
11:44 < tsa> jo, moin allerseits.
11:44 < holyolli> .oO(nur weil 3 scripte "moin tsa" gesagt haben...? ;-)
11:45 < huebi> hehe
11:45 < tsa> holyolli: du bist das einzige skript-kiddie hier.. :P
11:46 < huebi> Staplerfahrer-Klaus.avi geht hier um, hehe
11:47 < holyolli> *g* der is lustig...
11:47 < tsa> jupp.
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11:47 < huebi> Klaus kommt aus Erfurt!
11:47 < holyolli> *lol*
11:47 < holyolli> nun wissen wir, woher all diese ideen und so kommen... ;-)
11:48 < holyolli> .oO(meine freundin kommt auch aus erfurt.. =)
11:48 < term_emu> re
11:48 < tsa> holyolli: hm....das erklaert so einiges..
11:48 < tsa> hi term_emu
11:48 < holyolli> hi term_emu
11:48 < huebi> hi term_emu 
11:51 < tsa> brb
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11:51 < |anders> mrrrning..
11:52 < huebi> hi |anders 
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11:58 < bluefire> Moin
11:58 < huebi> hi bluefire 
11:58 < praenti> moin
11:58 < huebi> praenti: Moep!
11:59 < praenti> huebi: das QoS ausprobioert?
11:59 < huebi> nee, noch nicht. Werde ich aber einbauen, damit ssh immer gut funktioniert.
11:59 * praenti muss jetzt brunchen
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12:19 < tsa> re
12:20 < huebi> tsa: Na? Bist du jetzt satt
12:20 < jonath[an]> hi tsa 
12:21 < tsa> huebi: neee, nicht wirklich. war grad unterwegs, CD abholen..
12:21 < huebi> :-)
12:21 -!- holywech is now known as holyolli
12:21 < holyolli> auch re
12:21 < holyolli> huebi: aber gleich futtern wir was ;)
12:22 < esden> hi all
12:22 < huebi> hi esden 
12:22 < huebi> ftp://ftp.samba.org/pub/samba/samba-2.2.4.tar.bz2
12:22 < huebi> Attention , Hot!
12:24 < tsa> oh..
12:26 < praenti> huebi: hab grad ein script ci'd CVS-Cleanup. Schmeißt alle *.pz *.conf *.desc aus ext-config raus. dann muss man nicht soviel aus dem patch-file löschen
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12:27 < praenti> hi esden
12:27 < esden> hi praenti 
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12:34 < hackbard> cups broke in stage3, ld cannot find -lsupc++. there is a libsupc++.a in root/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.0.4/ though. default is gcc304 for fortran and c++.
12:34 < hackbard> maybe libsupc++ wasnt build --with-enable-shared or sth like that. any other ideas?
12:36 < esden> hmm ... do we have a lyx packet in rock?
12:37 < esden> argh ... we need rock-get ... 
12:37 < huebi> esden: jo
12:37 < hackbard> yes its there
12:37 < huebi> ./ext-config/lyx
12:37 < hackbard> root@hackstation:/mnt/lfs/rock-build# find package/
12:37 < hackbard> base         extra1       extra2       sourceforge  x11          
12:37 < hackbard> root@hackstation:/mnt/lfs/rock-build# find package/* -name lyx*
12:37 < hackbard> package/sourceforge/lyx
12:37 < huebi> huebi@ella:~/zz/rock-1.5$ find . -name lyx
12:37 < huebi> ./ext-config/lyx
12:38 < esden> super ... in ext ... I never compile ext cuz it is always 80% not functional ...
12:38 < huebi> 122 packages are broken ;-(
12:38 < huebi> or better fail
12:39 < huebi> there may be some dependencies
12:39 < hackbard> i must admit i didnt check my only 2 packages the last months .. *schaem
12:39 < esden> and it takes too much time ... and so ... ... I will have to create my own rock iso ... or so ... with all the packages I need ...
12:40 < esden> but where should I take the time ...
12:40 < esden> to do it ...
12:40 < hackbard> i write all my dependencies in an [E] line. but IMO Build doenst care, in case its not installed
12:40 < huebi> I plan to get samba, apache, rp_pppoe, cups in rock base and move lprng to ext
12:40 * -> esden compiling gtkmm for lyx ...
12:41 < hackbard> does rp_pppoe :p
12:41 < hackbard> work?
12:41 < huebi> hackbard: If you can reach rocklinux.dyndns.org, definitly yes!
12:42 < huebi> huebi@ella:~/zz/rock-1.5$ ll /opt/
12:42 < huebi> drwxr-xr-x    5 root     root         4096 Feb 25 23:51 rp-pppoe
12:42 < hackbard> i made one called rp-pppoe and checked it in one time
12:42 < hackbard> ah, okay
12:42 < huebi> hackbard: It's _your_ extension
12:43 < huebi> ;-))))
12:43 < hackbard> irealy have to look for updates .. on my way
12:43 < huebi> hackbard: great. Do it. ;-)
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13:01 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog <- new
13:06 < esden> ahh I see that you have merged the Armijn sparc patches .. good ... 
13:06 < esden> huebi: hat der rippy sehr fest getreten ? ;-)
13:09 < huebi> esden: Geht so ;-)
13:11 < esden> huebi: ich hoffe du hast keine blauen flecken ... 
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13:11 < bluefire> re
13:13 < huebi> hi bluefire 
13:14 < bluefire> Shit Platte. Ich hab noch nie erlebt, daß sich ne Platte aufhängt :( Grrr.
13:14 < huebi> bluefire: Quantum Fireball macht das gerne ;-(
13:15 < bluefire> huebi: IBM Laptop Platte.
13:15 < praenti> huebi: we have to ext which are totally broken. wine because we dont have the patches from codeweaver and the speech_tools which are now ship with another software-package
13:15 < praenti> s/to/two
13:15 < esden> 7~
13:15 < esden> ups
13:16 < huebi> praenti: Can you fix it?
13:16 < esden> wrong window
13:16 < huebi> bluefire: Alles gut macht Reboot.
13:16 < huebi> bluefire: Alles gut macht der Reboot.
13:16 < praenti> huebi: i can downgrade wine to a version where codeweavers have the patches in the archieve. for speech_tools we need a new extension
13:16 < huebi> :-)
13:18 < huebi> Let's have a look at it later this day. Then I write a mail to Uwe Bonnes, one of the wine develpers, and ask him what would be best.
13:19 < praenti> huebi: ok. that would be good
13:28 < huebi> X420src-3.tbz2 <- what is this file fore? It's not used in rock but it's avaiable.
13:32 < SMP> only documentation
13:32 < huebi> Shouldn't we include it?
13:33 < tsa> yes, we should.
13:34 < huebi> Ok. I now work on the 4.2.0-libGLU-bad-extern.patch to get it working in Rock. 
13:37 < holyolli> huebi: did you look at my files, which I sent you?
13:39 < huebi> holyolli: I had a first look. But I have not tried to merge it with cvs
13:40 < holyolli> ah
13:41 < holyolli> huebi: only 2 packets don't compile - the rest goes through all stages :)
13:43 < huebi> holyolli: Which ones?
13:43 < holyolli> apmd and tetex
13:44 < holyolli> apmd should compile - it's actually just a redefinition of some structs which have to bee removed
13:44 < holyolli> but i hadn't yet the time to fix it
13:44 < huebi> and tetex?
13:44 < holyolli> have some problems with libncurses... no idea, but also didn't have a look
13:47 < huebi> Xfree86 <- I found the problem. I checked in the patches to cvs but these patches come from rcs and some things inside are interpreted by cvs. cvs ci -kn <- checkin as binary files is needed.
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14:51 < blindcoder> hi everyone
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14:57 < holyolli> cya
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15:08 < praenti> hi blindcoder 
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15:10 < blindcoder> hmmm seems i still missed something with the .pz files...
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15:14 < clifford> hi!
15:14 < tsa> hi clifford
15:14 < clifford> I've updated https://www.rocklinux.org/about.html
15:14 < clifford> Feedback is very welcome.
15:15 < tsa> s,usefull,useful,
15:15 < huebi> clifford: Please make clear for which tree it is. ;)
15:16 < blindcoder> hi clifford 
15:17 < clifford> tsa: fixed.
15:17 < tsa> hm...no other typos so far..
15:18 < tsa> clifford: ok.
15:21 < clifford> huebi: I've added a note to the 'Stable and Development Trees' section. is it ok that way?
15:23 < huebi> clifford: ok. I make a more detailed description on the page for 1.5 - 1.6.
15:23 < clifford> huebi: when will there be a page for 1.6 ?
15:24 < huebi> Hmm. It should be there tomorrow. 
15:25 < clifford> huebi: I'm hearing this sentence since CCC from you... :-)
15:25 < huebi> It's not so easy for me to get the time for it. but I see that it is urgend
15:26 < hackbard> clifford: there seems to be a problem with cups in stage3
15:26 < huebi> I test now rsync.
15:26 < clifford> huebi: If it is ok for you, I will create a page based on the rocklinux.dyndns.org frontpage.
15:27 < hackbard> ld cannot find -lsubpc++, if i add -L/usr/../gcc-lib/../3.0.4 it continues a bit more but ends up with a lot of undefined references
15:28 < clifford> hackbard: cups compiled fine here yesterday. Is that with the latest snapshot?
15:28 < hackbard> i look for the number
15:28 < hackbard> 200205021146
15:28 < clifford> hackbard: no. you are right - it's broken.
15:29 < huebi> clifford: Ok. Do that. Then we have at least now a page and I see what I can do today or tomorrow. I want to write a deploy script for my snapshots and the page.
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15:29 < clifford> (I thought cups would be a 'base' package - and those are all fixed now. But cups is in extra1 ..)
15:29 < huebi> I'm off now. My wife just caught me here at work ;-))
15:30 < clifford> huebi: ok. cu.
15:30 < ringo78> Cant mount root... Pse some hints (devfs = ok)
15:30 < huebi> clifford: I want to have cups in base of 1.6
15:30 < huebi> and move lprng to ext
15:30 < huebi> su later
15:30 < huebi> by
15:30 < clifford> cu.
15:30 < hackbard> bye huebi
15:30 < huebi> ..... und wech.
15:32 < ringo78> Where do I get the default .config file from rock. ? BTW good afternoon.
15:32 < hackbard> hi ringo78
15:32 < hackbard> it schould be located in /usr/src/kernel
15:33 < ringo78> yep .. but I alterd some wrong PARAM... If I got the original back I can addapt thaty one..
15:33 < clifford> ringo78: yes. /usr/src/kernel (not /usr/src/linux)
15:34 < ringo78> Ahh thanks Clifford ... Read to much ... Thaks... !
15:34 < ringo78> no tax ... Thanks.
15:35 < clifford> hackbard: hmm - the libsupc++ problem is funny.
15:35 < hackbard> clifford: do you already know whats going wrong?
15:38 < clifford> hackbard: yes.
15:38 < clifford> hackbard: cups is using ld to link the library.
15:38 < clifford> hackbard: only the compiler looks in the compiler-specific directory for the libs.
15:39 < clifford> the only way to solve it would be using the c++ compiler for linking.
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15:44 * |anders is having fun with experimental builds...
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15:44 < rxr> re
15:45 < |anders> re rxr
15:45 < hackbard> hi rene
15:46 < hackbard> clifford: according to the Makefile it is CC which does the linking
15:47 < hackbard> i tried to set CC=g++-3, but trhat didnt work too ... i think i am doing sth wrong :)
15:53 < rxr> gcc+-3 -l might work
15:53 < hackbard> yes it does
15:54 < hackbard> it compiles for a long time now, lets hope :)
15:54 < hackbard> oh, no i just set CC=gcc-3
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15:58 * blindcoder just put his IceWM-Themes on the new themes.org (themes.freshmeat.net) *smile*
15:59 < hackbard> okay, it build just fine
16:04 < hackbard> but i think it is not 'rock style' to just set CC=gcc-3 in cups.conf, how would you solve that @ clifford & rene
16:05 < clifford> hackbard: what is the error message if you are using CC=$CXX  ($CXX = c++)
16:06 < hackbard> the log is already away ..
16:06 < hackbard> there has been something like: cannot convert ... 
16:07 < hackbard> sorry
16:07 < clifford> hackbard: the problem is that setting CC=gcc-3 will not work if you have selected gcc2 as your c++ compiler for the build.
16:07 < hackbard> aha
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16:12 < hackbard> okay, i chrooted to root and rebuild cups with CC=$CXX
16:12 < hackbard> i ll put that log online, one moment
16:13 < clifford> hackbard: thanks.
16:15 < hackbard> https://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/files/projects/rock/logs/9-cups.err
16:20 < clifford> hackbard: aha - I see the problem. Pls wait a minute - I need to extract the cups sources and read the makefiles ..
16:24 < hackbard> sure! no problem
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16:31 * clifford is still waiting for the test build of cups to complete ..
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16:32 < clifford> hackbard: ok - I think this is the best solution:
16:32 < clifford> add 'export CXX="$CC -x c++"' to your cups.conf file.
16:33 < clifford> clifford: this will result in using the same c and c++ compiler version (the one which is used for C, since most of cups is C and not C++ code afais)
16:34 < clifford> s/clifford:/hackbard:/ ...  :-)
16:34 < hackbard> :)
16:34 < clifford> rxr: what do you think?
16:35 < clifford> rxr?
16:36 < rxr> 7mom
16:38 * clifford denkt nach - wofuer steht '7mom' ?
16:38 < rxr> fuer MOMent ;-) die sieben war ein unfall ...
16:38 < clifford> rxr: Ahhhhh! Alles klar.  :-)
16:40 < rxr> clifford: look ok ...
16:40 < clifford> rxr: ist das in deinem naechsten patch oder soll ich's gleich bei mir machen?
16:43 < rxr> mach mal ;-)#
16:44 * rxr typing some trash ... today:-(
16:46 < praenti> huebi: enough patching for today
16:47 < clifford> rxr: wann gibt's eigentlich von dir den naechsten patch?
16:47 < rxr> die tage
16:47 < clifford> ich sollte heute mit meinem reference build fertig werden, dann gibts eine aktuelle liste von broken packages.
16:47 < rxr> clifford: ich habe erstmal dRock 1.6.0 vorbereitet (ist viel 1.7 inspiriert ...)
16:48 < rxr> heute abend bin ich unterwegs - aber moregen sollte es die naechsten patches incl. linux + liunx-src - modules geben ...
16:48 < rxr> clifford: jo - dann muss ich wohl mal weiter sf fixen ... :-(
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16:51 < hackbard> ogg-vorbis aus extra1 failed auch. gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
16:51 < blindcoder> hmm huebis ftp is ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org, isn't it?
16:51 < rxr> hackbard: it is over optimized
16:51 < rxr> remove the -O* settings form the CC_OPTIONS
16:52 < rxr> export CC_WRAPPER_INSERT=`echo $CC_WRAPPER_INSERT | sed "s,-O.*,,g"`
16:52 < rxr> (from dRock - might need modifications to build in 1.7 ...)
16:52 < hackbard> okay! ich tests mal
16:54 < rxr> clifford: kennst du nen eleganteren weg als diesen sed hack ?
16:54 < hackbard> jo, da sollte was her :)
16:55 < clifford> rxr: auf die schnelle: CC_WRAPPER_INSERT=${CC_WRAPPER_INSERT/-O[0-9]/}
16:56 < clifford> rxr: In zukunft wird aber auch moeglich sein: var_remove CC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " '-O*'
16:56 < rxr> clifford: ok ich muss mal in die bash subtitution reinschauen glaube ich
16:56 < clifford> bis jetzt hab' ich aber erst var_append und var_insert geschrieben.
16:57 < blindcoder> praenti> where can I get UTP-Adaptors for PCMCIA-Network-Cards in or around Ingolstadt?
16:57 < clifford> rxr: da gcc die letzte option verwendest waere aber auch moeglich:
16:57 < clifford> var_append CC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " -O0
16:58 < rxr> aber unschoen ;-)
16:58 < clifford> rxr: bei mir builded ogg-vorbis uebrigens ohne probleme ...
16:59 < rxr> gcc3 ? ;-)
16:59 < hackbard> kann man auch variablen angeben, die man raushaben will, also zb foo=${foo/$bar/} ?
17:00 < clifford> hackbard: ja - das geht.  (die ${x/y/z} syntax kann aber nur bash)
17:00 < hackbard> ah, gut - danke.
17:00 < hackbard> so bekomm ich das script das late downloads loeschen soll vielleicht doch noch hin ..
17:00 < clifford> rxr: deine sed Zeile sollte uebrigens lauten: sed "s,-O[^ ]*,,g" (du loescht zu viel).
17:04 < rxr> clifford: oops ...
17:04 < rxr> clifford: aber dein ogg-vorbis war gcc3 ?
17:12 < esden> re hi all
17:12 < esden> endlich wieder im wochenende ... puhh
17:12 < clifford> rxr: standard: C mit gcc2 und C++ mit gcc3
17:14 < esden> clifford: [nervallarm] kommt heute ein neuer snapshot raus? und wenn ja dann welche neuerungen werden enthalten sein ? [nervallarm]
17:17 < hackbard> alsa fails too, it wnats to create a symlink to /usr/share/automake/ .. but there is only automake-1.6 directory!
17:18 < clifford> hackbard: alsa is already fixed in my code.
17:18 < hackbard> okay
17:19 < clifford> esden: alsa fix, cups fix, *.cache creation fix, sourceforge update, kleinigkeiten.
17:23 < blindcoder> esden> I finally managed to install and actually use irssi ;)
17:25 < esden> clifford: cool ... thanks for the info ..
17:25 < esden> blindcoder: brav ;-)
17:26 < esden> scheisse habe ich einen hunger ... und ich habe schon heute gegessen ...
17:26 < blindcoder> esden> there's a new pz-config in my apollo-home. It didn'tcreate usable .pz files... now it does ;)
17:26 < esden> blindcoder: good ... ;-)
17:26 < esden> blindcoder: sent an update to huebi ?
17:26 < blindcoder> i already sent it to  his ftp
17:26 < esden> blindcoder: good
17:27 * -> esden needs more good music ...
17:27 < blindcoder> esden> I recommend more JPop ;)
17:27 < esden> let me see whot is on mp3.com
17:27 < esden> blindcoder: sure you do ;-)
17:28 < blindcoder> esden> in irssi: is there another way to switch windows instead of /window #
17:28 < esden> RTFM ;-)
17:28 < blindcoder> oh and esden> I found my PCM-Network Card again.... but please don't ask where it w
17:28 < blindcoder> esden> 2 lazy
17:28 < esden> yes sure <ESC>-screenumber
17:28 < rxr> bin wech ..
17:28 -!- rxr is now known as rxr_away
17:28 < esden> yes sure <alt>-screennumber
17:29 < blindcoder> that will be a problem...
17:29 < blindcoder> alt-[0-9] are already taken by IceWM
17:29 < esden> blindcoder: so use <esc> number
17:30 < blindcoder> ah fine. thanks *hugs esden*
17:30 < esden> denada ... but next time RTFM ;-)
17:32 < blindcoder> we'll see..
17:32 < esden> HP + Campaq = HPQ 
17:32 < esden> good to know
17:35 < blindcoder> esden> do you know where "Stroehmer" is in IN?
17:36 < esden> urgh ... I heared it many tymes ... but sorry ... no idea where it is ...
17:36 < esden> why ?
17:37 < blindcoder> I need a new UTP-Adaptor for my PCM-NIC
17:37 < blindcoder> I finally found it again ;)
17:37 < blindcoder> don't ask where
17:37 < esden> where ? *fg*
17:37 < blindcoder> in the glove-box of my car
17:38 < esden> lool
17:38 < blindcoder> I told you not to ask >_<
17:38 < esden> muahaha ;-)
17:38 < blindcoder> and since stroehmer sells DFE-Hardware they also have this adaptor i need
17:38 < blindcoder> and once I have it your mum will be happy ;)
17:39 < esden> yes she will
17:39 < blindcoder> or i still keep it and make a router out of my laptop while reinstalling my real router :D
17:39 < esden> rofl
17:39 < esden> yes you can do it ... ;-)
17:40 < blindcoder> oh and I finally found out why X-Forwarding didn't really work with my router/file-serv/application-server-hybrid
17:42 < blindcoder> If the sshd doesn't allow it then I'll have some slight problems with it...
17:42 < esden> and ? why ?
17:43 < blindcoder> X11Forwarding no
17:43 < esden> .oO(nein nein piotr du sagst nichts ... nein nein nein ...)
17:44 < blindcoder> YES!! I finally found the homepage of kterm
17:44 < clifford> hmm - maybe I should break this up into multiple lines:
17:44 < clifford> var_remove() {
17:44 < clifford>         eval "$1=\"\`echo \"\$$1\" | awk -- ' { split(\$0, a, \"$2\"); for (c1=c2=1; c1 in a; c1++) { if ( a[c1] !~ /^$3\\\$/ ) b[c2++]=a[c1]; } for (c1=1; c1 in b; c1++) { printf \"%s%s\", (c1 > 0 ? \"$2\" : \"\"), b[c1]; } }'\`\"" 
17:44 < clifford> }
17:45 < esden> clifford: nene ... dass ist eine immer noch zu kurze zeile ...
17:45 < esden> mache ruhig wieter ;-)
17:46 < clifford> Ha! bei der ersten for loop kann ich die klammern einspaaren!
17:47 < SMP> na, beim zweiten auch
17:47 < clifford> SMP: richtig. (das waren vorher 2 statements - bis ich mich entsonnen habe das awk ja ? : unterstuetzt)
17:51 < clifford> btw - wenn jemand eine elegantere form als awk fuer das weiss: bitte melden!
17:52 < SMP> ich versuche grad das zu Verstehen. ohne Kontext nicht ganz einfach
17:52 < SMP> wie sieht denn der Input aus?
17:52 < clifford> SMP: das ist das gegenstueck zu var_append und var_insert in scripts/build-functions
17:52 < blindcoder> esden> you have some time?
17:53 < esden> blindcoder: why ?
17:53 < clifford> SMP: Z.Bsp.: var_remove CC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-O.*"
17:53 < SMP> ARGH ja
17:53 < clifford> (der 2. parameter ist der delimiter fuer eintraege)
17:53 < SMP> das $2 im split ist ja nicht escaped! ;>
17:53 < clifford> SMP: soll es ja auch nicht.
17:53 < SMP> ja, das ist schon klar
17:54 < blindcoder> esden> killing some time, going to stroehmer, buying a new "Schwanzerl"
17:54 < clifford> blindcoder: WHAT?
17:54 < esden> blindcoder: wenn du mich abholst .. ? kommnt auf rollen ?
17:55 < blindcoder> clifford> a new UTP-Adaptor for my PCMCIA-Network Card. The othere one is still in Place ;)
17:55 < blindcoder> esden> 4 Rollen, 2 vorne, 2 hinten, 90 PS. okay?
17:55 < esden> blindcoder: passt ;-)
17:55 < SMP> clifford: dann finde ich den Namen var_* etwas misverstaendlich -- param_ waere besser gewesen IMHO
17:55 < clifford> blindcoder: aha...
17:56 < clifford> wieso param? die funktionen modifizieren shell variablen - sie erweitern vorn und hinten und loeschen.
17:56 < blindcoder> esden> I just clean up my dcc-incoming folder
17:56 < SMP> clifford: hrm ja .
17:57 < esden> blindcoder: pokeing a little bit more in the dietlibc target
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18:12 < bluefire> re
18:13 < huebi> re
18:13 < blindcoder> esden> I'm off now... expect me to haunt you in half an hour :D
18:13 < esden> kk
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18:19 < huebi> clifford: 
18:26 < hackbard> ich blick ab dem ersten awk nichtmehr durch ;)
18:26 < hackbard> aber wuerde es so gehen: https://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/files/projects/rock/Cleanup-Old , wenn ich build-functions vorher ausfuehr ..?
18:31 < clifford> huebi: ja?
18:33 < clifford> hackbard: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown
18:34 < hackbard> eigentlich intention ist es diese zu loeschen.
18:34 < jonath[an]> re
18:34 < hackbard> das echo ist nur temporaer
18:34 < hackbard> wb jonath[an]
18:34 < jonath[an]> just 6 hours more and i'll be rocking again
18:34 < hackbard> kannst du das evtl schoen ins Download mit einbauen?
18:35 < clifford> hackbard: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | xargs rm -vf
18:35 < hackbard> okay. :)
18:35 < clifford> hackbard: dazwischen wuerd' ich normalerweise noch mit grep dinge wie *.incomplete und *-err ausfilter.
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18:37 < Mike1> hi all
18:37 < jonath[an]> hello Miguel
18:37 < clifford> hi Mike.
18:37 < hackbard> stimmt! das ist sinnvoll
18:37 < hackbard> hi miguel
18:37 < Mike1> clifford the new colors of the site looks pretty cool
18:38 < clifford> hackbard: pass halt auf, das du das cmd richtig schreibst. sonst loescht du dir ./scripts/Download wegen der hilfe (habs bei mir jetzt umgeaendert so das er die hilfe nach fd 2 schreibt).
18:38 < clifford> Mike1: thanks.
18:39 < Mike1> bitte
18:40 < clifford> Mike1: I also think that the quickbar on the top of the page was a good idea ..
18:40 < clifford> I might help new users a lot to find the right information.
18:41 < Mike1> clifford yes definitly
18:42 < Mike1> clifford have you ever thought about making a banner of a tux throwing ROCK's to Bill Gates?
18:42 < Mike1> or something like that
18:43 < clifford> Mike1: you might have recognised that I;m trying to give the homepage a proffesional style ..
18:43 < Mike1> *g yes i know
18:44 < jonath[an]> LOL
18:44 < Mike1> is just that i have always thought it would be funny
18:44 < Mike1> anyways i really think the page changes are way cool, ROCK has changed a lot in a year but changed for good
18:45 < Mike1> congrats clifford 
18:45 < clifford> I wouldn't consider showing a picter where someone is throwing heavy objects on Bill Gates professional.
18:45 < clifford> However - actually doing it (throwing heavy objects on Bill Gates) would be a lot of fun! :-)
18:46 < Mike1> clifford i know it isnt definitly professional at all, but i agree it would be fun :)
18:48 < Mike1> clifford how is it going with the Create-CD script?
18:56 < clifford> Mike1: I don't know - I think Rene is working on it.
18:56 < Mike1> Yo guys i'm doing a script thats pings my hosts and let me know if they are up or not
18:56 < Mike1> so i do ping -w 10 <host> or ping -c 5 <host>
18:56 < clifford> (In fact, the Create-CD script is pretty easy. But it's useless without install disks.)
18:57 < Mike1> but it to continue the proccess if it receives packages back, if not it must email me
18:57 < Mike1> any suggestions?
18:57 < Mike1> clifford ? :-)
18:58 < clifford> Mike1: if ! ping -w 10 $hostname ; then echo "Subject: can't reach $hostname" | sendmail $email ; fi
18:59 < Mike1> clifford hehe thank you so much
18:59 < clifford> you are welcome ..
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19:01 < jonath[an]> Mike1: it's easy
19:01 < jonath[an]> wait a minute...
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19:02 < jonath[an]> u just need to do a ping -c, save his return, false or true and put it on a if
19:02 < jonath[an]> if it is true just send a mail with a log which says which hosts are up and which not
19:02 < jonath[an]> i have one here..
19:03 < clifford> jonath[an]: you haven't seen my msg, have you?
19:03 < clifford> <clifford> Mike1: if ! ping -w 10 $hostname ; then echo "Subject: can't reach $hostname" | sendmail $email ; fi
19:03 < Mike1> jonath[an] thanks to you too
19:04 < jonath[an]> if ping -c1 192.168.0.10 > /dev/null 2> /dev/null
19:04 < jonath[an]> then
19:04 < jonath[an]>         NEMESIS=1
19:04 < jonath[an]>         echo '[    NEMESIS is  UP    ]'
19:04 < jonath[an]> else
19:04 < jonath[an]>         NEMESIS=0
19:04 < jonath[an]>         echo -ne '['
19:04 < jonath[an]>         setterm -foreground red
19:04 < jonath[an]>         echo -ne '    NIS is DOWN   '
19:04 < jonath[an]>         setterm -default
19:04 < jonath[an]>         echo ']'
19:04 < jonath[an]> fi
19:04 < jonath[an]> sth laik this?
19:04 < jonath[an]> yes, and apply cliff pipe to sendmail
19:05 < Mike1> :) ok
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19:05 < Mike1> jonath[an] </flood> 
19:05 < jonath[an]> well, i do this catching a 1 or 0 for my hosts list
19:06 < Mike1> i c
19:06 < hackbard> i will try to export the root directory (with a modified rc_S), also the pkg.tar.bz2's and boot remote clients via floppy which schoud get partitioned, mke2fs'ed and after that installed. behaviour may be controled via dhcp 'flags'.
19:09 < hackbard> like fai for debian
19:10 < hackbard> i have to go, later ... (currently compiling stage3 xfree)
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19:18 < holyolli> re
19:18 < Mike1> hi holyolli 
19:19 < holyolli> hi Mike1
19:23 < esden> re hi all
19:23 < Mike1> re esden 
19:25 < Mike1> sip
19:27 -!- blindy|away is now known as blindcoder
19:27 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
19:31 < holyolli> esden: weisst du, wann fake mal wieder an der tastatur sitzt=
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20:09 < huebi> MoeP!
20:10 < huebi> the first version of the page https://www.rocklinux.org/people/huebi/index.html is uploaded
20:10 < huebi> I will have some more work on it later.
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20:18 < blindcoder> reMoeP
20:18 < huebi> :-)
20:19 < blindcoder> looks nice
20:19 < blindcoder> you should make the BIG FAT WARNING <blink> hehe
20:20 < huebi> blindcoder: Thank you.
20:20 < huebi> I have to adapt the rocklinux.dyndns.org page rock.sed script
20:20 < blindcoder> esden just smiles in the background
20:21 < huebi> hehe
20:23 < huebi> esden: have a look ;>
20:25 < blindcoder> he's actually trying to install a Network-Phaser-Printer
20:25 < clifford> huebi: https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock16/
20:27 < huebi> clifford: Ok. I take that index.in.
20:27 < blindcoder> clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/getting.html <---- In the "Building it yourself" Box: Are we going to "War" or is it a "Warning"??
20:30 * clifford finished new reference build - uploading snap with new *.cache files now ..
20:32 < clifford> blindcoder: fixed.  :-)
20:33 < blindcoder> *smile*
20:33 < blindcoder> huebi> did you have a look at the pz-config.sh?
20:36 < huebi> blindcoder: not at the new one. First I fix XFree86 then I'll test it.
20:37 < blindcoder> yokai
20:38 < huebi> And after that I write some news about 1.5
20:39 < huebi> upload the snapshots, Changelog and the source of the latest snapshot
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21:05 < clifford>     Repository      Total number of pkgs    Number of broken packages
21:05 < clifford>     base ........................... 184 ........................   0
21:05 < clifford>     x11 ............................ 107 ........................   7
21:05 < clifford>     extra1 .........................  88 ........................  10
21:05 < clifford>     extra2 .........................   9 ........................   2
21:05 < clifford>     sourceforge .................... 247 ........................ 231
21:05 < clifford> (Only 16 sourceforge packages are not broken :-)
21:06 < huebi> clifford: Why is the XFree86 documentation not build?
21:06 < huebi> in 1.5
21:07 < huebi> clifford: I think that the nmaintainig of sf does need some modification
21:07 < blindcoder> clifford> how did you create this overview?
21:08 < clifford> blindcoder: vi. what do you mean?
21:08 < clifford> huebi: Ad sf: yes. I fully agree with you - but explain it to Pjotr ..
21:09 < blindcoder> clifford> can it be generated automagically or is it handwork (esdens question)
21:11 < clifford> blindcoder: I don't have the command now (and don't like to re-type it) - grep for ^\[.-ERROR\] in the *.cache files ..
21:11 < blindcoder> esden to clifford> i c
21:13 < clifford> huebi: Ad X11 docs: you mean X420src-3 ?
21:22 < huebi> clifford: exact. X4200src-3
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21:22 < clifford> huebi: I never had the time to look at it. I will ask Rene to include it ..
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21:33 < huebi> clifford: i add it now :-)
21:36 < clifford> huebi: ok. could you please send me the patch when you are done (I will adopt it for 1.7 myself)
21:36 < huebi> clifford: ok
21:36 < clifford> I have to go now .. cu.
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22:30 < jonath[lunch]> re Mike1 
22:30 < Mike1> :O)
22:31 < jonath[lunch]> just leave 1:30 hours to presente the spreadshit
22:31 < jonath[lunch]> (i hate my english)
22:31 < Mike1> gut
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22:42 < huebi_> hi
22:43 < huebi_> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog <- new changelog
22:45 < jonath[lunch]> just leave 1 hour
22:45 < huebi_> bye jonath[lunch] 
22:45 < jonath[lunch]> bye?
22:45 -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford
22:46 < jonath[lunch]> im not going to leave, sorry :_
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22:46 < clifford> huebi: you have /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} in $flistdel ?
22:46 < huebi_> jonath[lunch]: May be I'm asleep when you come back. it's 22h46 here
22:46 < huebi_> clifford: Yes
22:49 < clifford> huebi: I can't see that you remove them for the 'sysfiles' package ..
22:49 < clifford> at least one package should contain them.
22:51 < huebi_> clifford: The intension was that only one package owns these files.
22:51 < huebi_> clifford: How can Ichange sysfiles?
22:52 < clifford> base-config/sysfiles/sysfiles.conf ..
22:53 < huebi_> clifford: And what do you suggest to change?
22:53 < clifford> huebi: that doesn't fix the inital problem. If a package adds something to this files in expects that this entries are really there on the installed system.
22:53 < clifford> huebi: fixing the packages which are trying to change /etc/{passwd,group,shadow}
22:53 < SMP> clifford: that's something for the setup script!
22:54 < clifford> SMP: correct - that's what I wanted to say.
22:54 < SMP> how's that solved in 1.7?
22:54 < SMP> packages "don't do that"?
22:55 < huebi_> That means to add a setup script for every package which tries to change /etc/{passwd,group,shadow}
22:55 < clifford> SMP: yes. they should not do that.
22:55 < SMP> well ..
22:55 < SMP> I'm going to bed now ;)
22:56 < clifford> SMP: currently hylafax is broken and adds something to all three files.
22:56 < SMP> hylafax is horrorfax
22:56 < huebi_> Creating tars/intel-xfree86.tar.bz2 ... 64M <- a little bit bigger now :-)
22:56 < clifford> SMP: *smile*
22:56 < clifford> huebi: that's ok. :-)
22:57 < huebi_> clifford: X420src-3.tbz2 is now in there
22:58 < huebi_> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/xfree86/ <- and 3 official patches are added.
23:05 < huebi_> clifford: I'll have a look at gpm or alsa to see how it is to be done with setup() and update() in a setup script. If the modification problem for these to files is solved in the way that every package needing to e.g. add a user does this with a seperat setup script then I'll remove $flistdel again. In the moment it's really ugly to be there without these files after pkg-remove of such apackage.
23:05 < huebi_> hmm, reads ugly.
23:21 < clifford> huebi: Now also added X420src-3 here.
23:22 < huebi_> clifford: great. :-)
23:22 < huebi_> clifford: Could you use my cvsweb.cgi ?
23:23 < clifford> huebi: sure.
23:23 < huebi_> nice :-)
23:31 < clifford> ok - jetzt bin ich wirklich weg - cu.
23:31 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
23:31 < huebi_> gute nacht ;-)
23:32 < clifford_away> huebi: gute nacht? ich muss noch steuererklaerung machen!
23:34 < huebi_> clifford_away: habe ich fuer die letzten 3 Jahre jezt mal nachholen duerfen ;-)
23:34 < huebi_>  export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@rocklinux.dyndns.org:/home/cvs/cvsroot
23:34 < huebi_> cvs login
23:34 < huebi_> <enter>
23:35 < huebi_> cvs co rock-1.5
23:35 < huebi_> works now ;-)
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23:43 < holyolli> re
23:43 < huebi_> hi holyolli 
23:44 < holyolli> hi huebi
23:46 < huebi_> holyolli: Ich sehe mir gerade von blindcoder die pz-config.sh an. Erste tests sind gerade ganz gut verlaufen. Ich werde sie jetzt mit ins Rocklinux uebernehmen.
23:46 < holyolli> was macht das genau?
23:48 < huebi_> ein Schicker editor fuer die .pz .desc files
23:48 < holyolli> cool
23:49 < holyolli> btw. hastu dir mal die file von mir angesehen?
23:49 < huebi_> noch nicht. steht jetzt aber als naechstes an.
23:49 < holyolli> prima :)
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23:54 < jonath[an]> brb
23:57 < jonath[an]> back
23:57 < holyolli> re and hi jonath[an]
23:57 < jonath[an]> hehe
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