-!- Irrsi Log opened Fri May 03 00:00:00 2002
-!- Irrsi Day changed Fri May 03 2002
[00:00] < Mike1> im sorry
[00:00] < rxr> some initial confusen was created becasue Rip said he ships it - but meant he does some major testing before ... ;-)
[00:00] < hackbard> my alst info is that it all works
[00:01] < Mike1> hackbard u got it?
[00:01] < jonath[an]> Mike1: what about the work?
[00:01] < hackbard> no not yet too
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[00:02] < Mike1> hackbard that suxs
[00:02] < Mike1> jonath[an] hold on
[00:03] < tomik> hello
[00:03] < Mike1> hi tomik
[00:05] < jonath[an]> hi
[00:06] < hackbard> hi tomik
[00:06] < hackbard> miguel, well he has a lot of work, i am kinda busy too (lazy) - so its okay for me :)
[00:06] < Mike1> hackbard yeah
[00:19] < jonath[an]> hackbard: arrhhgg, i hate ur lazyness, which i desire :(
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[00:34] < jonath[an]> arrgg
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[00:48] < Mike1> re
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[00:55] < rxr> 6n8
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[02:50] < tsa> n8
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[03:28] < Mike1> exi
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[04:45] < jonath[an]> umm
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[06:15] < rxr> moin
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[06:58] < rxr> freed: is it you? (or only a reconnect :-()
[07:29] < huebi_> moin
[07:32] < rxr> moin
[07:33] < huebi_> rxr: hast du eine idee, wie ich egcs64 davon abhalten kann unter intel comiliert zu werden?
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[07:34] < huebi_> re
[07:40] < rxr> huebi_: im packet if [ $arch_bla "sparc" ]
[07:40] < rxr> oder so aehnlich ...
[07:40] < rxr> ist unschoen - in 1.7 geht das dann viel toller ...
[07:41] < rxr> huebi schau dir mal die glibc an
[07:41] < rxr> if [ "$arch_machine" = "alpha" ] ; then
[07:43] < rxr> bich weg
[07:43] < rxr> cu
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[07:47] < huebi_> rxr_fh: danke
[07:47] < huebi_> rxr_fh: werde ich mid ansehen.
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[08:33] < jonath[an]> hello
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[09:05] < jonath[an]> hello guys
[09:07] < s713261> morn
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[09:09] < jonath[an]> hi martin
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[10:13] < clifford> hi.
[10:14] < jonath[an]> good morning tuxtronix
[10:14] < jonath[an]> ;)
[10:14] < clifford> jonath[an]: *grin*
[10:16] < martin_> hi clifford
[10:16] < clifford> hi.
[10:16] < jonath[an]> what about ur music production dj clifford?
[10:16] < clifford> jonath[an]: at the moment I have no time fr producing.
[10:17] < jonath[an]> well, and i dunt have to try too much Rock
[10:18] < clifford> I have three songs in production (which are far away from beeing finished yet): a soft rock song together with "Falling Angel", and Hardcore/Gabber Song in cooperation with "DJ Joey" and a dancfloor song without a partner.
[10:20] < clifford> why do I get so much spam???
[10:22] < clifford> and why can't I connect to userfirendly.org?
[10:22] clifford is a sooo poor boy ... :-(
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[10:38] < hackbard> moin
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[10:54] < jonath[an]> hello hackbard
[10:59] < huebi> Moep!
[10:59] < jonath[an]> brb
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[11:12] < huebi> hi rxr_fh
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[11:14] < holyolli> moin
[11:14] < huebi> hi holyolli
[11:14] < holyolli> moin huebi
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[11:19] < holyolli> hi freed
[11:27] < jonath[an]> hi guys
[11:27] < holyolli> hi jonath[an]
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[11:44] < tsa> tag.
[11:44] < holyolli> moin tsa
[11:44] < clifford> hi tsa.
[11:44] < huebi> moin tsa
[11:44] < tsa> hopps....is ja schon richtig was los hier... ;)
[11:44] < tsa> jo, moin allerseits.
[11:44] < holyolli> .oO(nur weil 3 scripte "moin tsa" gesagt haben...? ;-)
[11:45] < huebi> hehe
[11:45] < tsa> holyolli: du bist das einzige skript-kiddie hier.. :P
[11:46] < huebi> Staplerfahrer-Klaus.avi geht hier um, hehe
[11:47] < holyolli> *g* der is lustig...
[11:47] < tsa> jupp.
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[11:47] < huebi> Klaus kommt aus Erfurt!
[11:47] < holyolli> *lol*
[11:47] < holyolli> nun wissen wir, woher all diese ideen und so kommen... ;-)
[11:48] < holyolli> .oO(meine freundin kommt auch aus erfurt.. =)
[11:48] < term_emu> re
[11:48] < tsa> holyolli: hm....das erklaert so einiges..
[11:48] < tsa> hi term_emu
[11:48] < holyolli> hi term_emu
[11:48] < huebi> hi term_emu
[11:51] < tsa> brb
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[11:51] < |anders> mrrrning..
[11:52] < huebi> hi |anders
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[11:58] < bluefire> Moin
[11:58] < huebi> hi bluefire
[11:58] < praenti> moin
[11:58] < huebi> praenti: Moep!
[11:59] < praenti> huebi: das QoS ausprobioert?
[11:59] < huebi> nee, noch nicht. Werde ich aber einbauen, damit ssh immer gut funktioniert.
[11:59] praenti muss jetzt brunchen
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[12:19] < tsa> re
[12:20] < huebi> tsa: Na? Bist du jetzt satt
[12:20] < jonath[an]> hi tsa
[12:21] < tsa> huebi: neee, nicht wirklich. war grad unterwegs, CD abholen..
[12:21] < huebi> :-)
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[12:21] < holyolli> auch re
[12:21] < holyolli> huebi: aber gleich futtern wir was ;)
[12:22] < esden> hi all
[12:22] < huebi> hi esden
[12:22] < huebi> ftp://ftp.samba.org/pub/samba/samba-2.2.4.tar.bz2
[12:22] < huebi> Attention , Hot!
[12:24] < tsa> oh..
[12:26] < praenti> huebi: hab grad ein script ci'd CVS-Cleanup. Schmeißt alle *.pz *.conf *.desc aus ext-config raus. dann muss man nicht soviel aus dem patch-file löschen
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[12:27] < praenti> hi esden
[12:27] < esden> hi praenti
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[12:34] < hackbard> cups broke in stage3, ld cannot find -lsupc++. there is a libsupc++.a in root/usr/lib/gcc-lib/i686-pc-linux-gnu/3.0.4/ though. default is gcc304 for fortran and c++.
[12:34] < hackbard> maybe libsupc++ wasnt build --with-enable-shared or sth like that. any other ideas?
[12:36] < esden> hmm ... do we have a lyx packet in rock?
[12:37] < esden> argh ... we need rock-get ...
[12:37] < huebi> esden: jo
[12:37] < hackbard> yes its there
[12:37] < huebi> ./ext-config/lyx
[12:37] < hackbard> root@hackstation:/mnt/lfs/rock-build# find package/
[12:37] < hackbard> base extra1 extra2 sourceforge x11
[12:37] < hackbard> root@hackstation:/mnt/lfs/rock-build# find package/* -name lyx*
[12:37] < hackbard> package/sourceforge/lyx
[12:37] < huebi> huebi@ella:~/zz/rock-1.5$ find . -name lyx
[12:37] < huebi> ./ext-config/lyx
[12:38] < esden> super ... in ext ... I never compile ext cuz it is always 80% not functional ...
[12:38] < huebi> 122 packages are broken ;-(
[12:38] < huebi> or better fail
[12:39] < huebi> there may be some dependencies
[12:39] < hackbard> i must admit i didnt check my only 2 packages the last months .. *schaem
[12:39] < esden> and it takes too much time ... and so ... ... I will have to create my own rock iso ... or so ... with all the packages I need ...
[12:40] < esden> but where should I take the time ...
[12:40] < esden> to do it ...
[12:40] < hackbard> i write all my dependencies in an [E] line. but IMO Build doenst care, in case its not installed
[12:40] < huebi> I plan to get samba, apache, rp_pppoe, cups in rock base and move lprng to ext
[12:40] esden compiling gtkmm for lyx ...
[12:41] < hackbard> does rp_pppoe :p
[12:41] < hackbard> work?
[12:41] < huebi> hackbard: If you can reach rocklinux.dyndns.org, definitly yes!
[12:42] < huebi> huebi@ella:~/zz/rock-1.5$ ll /opt/
[12:42] < huebi> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Feb 25 23:51 rp-pppoe
[12:42] < hackbard> i made one called rp-pppoe and checked it in one time
[12:42] < hackbard> ah, okay
[12:42] < huebi> hackbard: It's _your_ extension
[12:43] < huebi> ;-))))
[12:43] < hackbard> irealy have to look for updates .. on my way
[12:43] < huebi> hackbard: great. Do it. ;-)
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[13:01] < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog <- new
[13:06] < esden> ahh I see that you have merged the Armijn sparc patches .. good ...
[13:06] < esden> huebi: hat der rippy sehr fest getreten ? ;-)
[13:09] < huebi> esden: Geht so ;-)
[13:11] < esden> huebi: ich hoffe du hast keine blauen flecken ...
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[13:11] < bluefire> re
[13:13] < huebi> hi bluefire
[13:14] < bluefire> Shit Platte. Ich hab noch nie erlebt, daß sich ne Platte aufhängt :( Grrr.
[13:14] < huebi> bluefire: Quantum Fireball macht das gerne ;-(
[13:15] < bluefire> huebi: IBM Laptop Platte.
[13:15] < praenti> huebi: we have to ext which are totally broken. wine because we dont have the patches from codeweaver and the speech_tools which are now ship with another software-package
[13:15] < praenti> s/to/two
[13:15] < esden> 7~
[13:15] < esden> ups
[13:16] < huebi> praenti: Can you fix it?
[13:16] < esden> wrong window
[13:16] < huebi> bluefire: Alles gut macht Reboot.
[13:16] < huebi> bluefire: Alles gut macht der Reboot.
[13:16] < praenti> huebi: i can downgrade wine to a version where codeweavers have the patches in the archieve. for speech_tools we need a new extension
[13:16] < huebi> :-)
[13:18] < huebi> Let's have a look at it later this day. Then I write a mail to Uwe Bonnes, one of the wine develpers, and ask him what would be best.
[13:19] < praenti> huebi: ok. that would be good
[13:28] < huebi> X420src-3.tbz2 <- what is this file fore? It's not used in rock but it's avaiable.
[13:32] < SMP> only documentation
[13:32] < huebi> Shouldn't we include it?
[13:33] < tsa> yes, we should.
[13:34] < huebi> Ok. I now work on the 4.2.0-libGLU-bad-extern.patch to get it working in Rock.
[13:37] < holyolli> huebi: did you look at my files, which I sent you?
[13:39] < huebi> holyolli: I had a first look. But I have not tried to merge it with cvs
[13:40] < holyolli> ah
[13:41] < holyolli> huebi: only 2 packets don't compile - the rest goes through all stages :)
[13:43] < huebi> holyolli: Which ones?
[13:43] < holyolli> apmd and tetex
[13:44] < holyolli> apmd should compile - it's actually just a redefinition of some structs which have to bee removed
[13:44] < holyolli> but i hadn't yet the time to fix it
[13:44] < huebi> and tetex?
[13:44] < holyolli> have some problems with libncurses... no idea, but also didn't have a look
[13:47] < huebi> Xfree86 <- I found the problem. I checked in the patches to cvs but these patches come from rcs and some things inside are interpreted by cvs. cvs ci -kn <- checkin as binary files is needed.
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[14:51] < blindcoder> hi everyone
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[14:57] < holyolli> cya
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[15:08] < praenti> hi blindcoder
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[15:10] < blindcoder> hmmm seems i still missed something with the .pz files...
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[15:14] < clifford> hi!
[15:14] < tsa> hi clifford
[15:14] < clifford> I've updated https://www.rocklinux.org/about.html
[15:14] < clifford> Feedback is very welcome.
[15:15] < tsa> s,usefull,useful,
[15:15] < huebi> clifford: Please make clear for which tree it is. ;)
[15:16] < blindcoder> hi clifford
[15:17] < clifford> tsa: fixed.
[15:17] < tsa> hm...no other typos so far..
[15:18] < tsa> clifford: ok.
[15:21] < clifford> huebi: I've added a note to the 'Stable and Development Trees' section. is it ok that way?
[15:23] < huebi> clifford: ok. I make a more detailed description on the page for 1.5 - 1.6.
[15:23] < clifford> huebi: when will there be a page for 1.6 ?
[15:24] < huebi> Hmm. It should be there tomorrow.
[15:25] < clifford> huebi: I'm hearing this sentence since CCC from you... :-)
[15:25] < huebi> It's not so easy for me to get the time for it. but I see that it is urgend
[15:26] < hackbard> clifford: there seems to be a problem with cups in stage3
[15:26] < huebi> I test now rsync.
[15:26] < clifford> huebi: If it is ok for you, I will create a page based on the rocklinux.dyndns.org frontpage.
[15:27] < hackbard> ld cannot find -lsubpc++, if i add -L/usr/../gcc-lib/../3.0.4 it continues a bit more but ends up with a lot of undefined references
[15:28] < clifford> hackbard: cups compiled fine here yesterday. Is that with the latest snapshot?
[15:28] < hackbard> i look for the number
[15:28] < hackbard> 200205021146
[15:28] < clifford> hackbard: no. you are right - it's broken.
[15:29] < huebi> clifford: Ok. Do that. Then we have at least now a page and I see what I can do today or tomorrow. I want to write a deploy script for my snapshots and the page.
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[15:29] < clifford> (I thought cups would be a 'base' package - and those are all fixed now. But cups is in extra1 ..)
[15:29] < huebi> I'm off now. My wife just caught me here at work ;-))
[15:30] < clifford> huebi: ok. cu.
[15:30] < ringo78> Cant mount root... Pse some hints (devfs = ok)
[15:30] < huebi> clifford: I want to have cups in base of 1.6
[15:30] < huebi> and move lprng to ext
[15:30] < huebi> su later
[15:30] < huebi> by
[15:30] < clifford> cu.
[15:30] < hackbard> bye huebi
[15:30] < huebi> ..... und wech.
[15:32] < ringo78> Where do I get the default .config file from rock. ? BTW good afternoon.
[15:32] < hackbard> hi ringo78
[15:32] < hackbard> it schould be located in /usr/src/kernel
[15:33] < ringo78> yep .. but I alterd some wrong PARAM... If I got the original back I can addapt thaty one..
[15:33] < clifford> ringo78: yes. /usr/src/kernel (not /usr/src/linux)
[15:34] < ringo78> Ahh thanks Clifford ... Read to much ... Thaks... !
[15:34] < ringo78> no tax ... Thanks.
[15:35] < clifford> hackbard: hmm - the libsupc++ problem is funny.
[15:35] < hackbard> clifford: do you already know whats going wrong?
[15:38] < clifford> hackbard: yes.
[15:38] < clifford> hackbard: cups is using ld to link the library.
[15:38] < clifford> hackbard: only the compiler looks in the compiler-specific directory for the libs.
[15:39] < clifford> the only way to solve it would be using the c++ compiler for linking.
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[15:44] |anders is having fun with experimental builds...
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[15:44] < rxr> re
[15:45] < |anders> re rxr
[15:45] < hackbard> hi rene
[15:46] < hackbard> clifford: according to the Makefile it is CC which does the linking
[15:47] < hackbard> i tried to set CC=g++-3, but trhat didnt work too ... i think i am doing sth wrong :)
[15:53] < rxr> gcc+-3 -l might work
[15:53] < hackbard> yes it does
[15:54] < hackbard> it compiles for a long time now, lets hope :)
[15:54] < hackbard> oh, no i just set CC=gcc-3
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[15:58] blindcoder just put his IceWM-Themes on the new themes.org (themes.freshmeat.net) *smile*
[15:59] < hackbard> okay, it build just fine
[16:04] < hackbard> but i think it is not 'rock style' to just set CC=gcc-3 in cups.conf, how would you solve that @ clifford & rene
[16:05] < clifford> hackbard: what is the error message if you are using CC=$CXX ($CXX = c++)
[16:06] < hackbard> the log is already away ..
[16:06] < hackbard> there has been something like: cannot convert ...
[16:07] < hackbard> sorry
[16:07] < clifford> hackbard: the problem is that setting CC=gcc-3 will not work if you have selected gcc2 as your c++ compiler for the build.
[16:07] < hackbard> aha
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[16:12] < hackbard> okay, i chrooted to root and rebuild cups with CC=$CXX
[16:12] < hackbard> i ll put that log online, one moment
[16:13] < clifford> hackbard: thanks.
[16:15] < hackbard> https://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/files/projects/rock/logs/9-cups.err
[16:20] < clifford> hackbard: aha - I see the problem. Pls wait a minute - I need to extract the cups sources and read the makefiles ..
[16:24] < hackbard> sure! no problem
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[16:31] clifford is still waiting for the test build of cups to complete ..
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[16:32] < clifford> hackbard: ok - I think this is the best solution:
[16:32] < clifford> add 'export CXX="$CC -x c++"' to your cups.conf file.
[16:33] < clifford> clifford: this will result in using the same c and c++ compiler version (the one which is used for C, since most of cups is C and not C++ code afais)
[16:34] < clifford> s/clifford:/hackbard:/ ... :-)
[16:34] < hackbard> :)
[16:34] < clifford> rxr: what do you think?
[16:35] < clifford> rxr?
[16:36] < rxr> 7mom
[16:38] clifford denkt nach - wofuer steht '7mom' ?
[16:38] < rxr> fuer MOMent ;-) die sieben war ein unfall ...
[16:38] < clifford> rxr: Ahhhhh! Alles klar. :-)
[16:40] < rxr> clifford: look ok ...
[16:40] < clifford> rxr: ist das in deinem naechsten patch oder soll ich's gleich bei mir machen?
[16:43] < rxr> mach mal ;-)#
[16:44] rxr typing some trash ... today:-(
[16:46] < praenti> huebi: enough patching for today
[16:47] < clifford> rxr: wann gibt's eigentlich von dir den naechsten patch?
[16:47] < rxr> die tage
[16:47] < clifford> ich sollte heute mit meinem reference build fertig werden, dann gibts eine aktuelle liste von broken packages.
[16:47] < rxr> clifford: ich habe erstmal dRock 1.6.0 vorbereitet (ist viel 1.7 inspiriert ...)
[16:48] < rxr> heute abend bin ich unterwegs - aber moregen sollte es die naechsten patches incl. linux + liunx-src - modules geben ...
[16:48] < rxr> clifford: jo - dann muss ich wohl mal weiter sf fixen ... :-(
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[16:51] < hackbard> ogg-vorbis aus extra1 failed auch. gcc: Internal compiler error: program cc1 got fatal signal 11
[16:51] < blindcoder> hmm huebis ftp is ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org, isn't it?
[16:51] < rxr> hackbard: it is over optimized
[16:51] < rxr> remove the -O* settings form the CC_OPTIONS
[16:52] < rxr> export CC_WRAPPER_INSERT=`echo $CC_WRAPPER_INSERT | sed "s,-O.*,,g"`
[16:52] < rxr> (from dRock - might need modifications to build in 1.7 ...)
[16:52] < hackbard> okay! ich tests mal
[16:54] < rxr> clifford: kennst du nen eleganteren weg als diesen sed hack ?
[16:54] < hackbard> jo, da sollte was her :)
[16:55] < clifford> rxr: auf die schnelle: CC_WRAPPER_INSERT=${CC_WRAPPER_INSERT/-O[0-9]/}
[16:56] < clifford> rxr: In zukunft wird aber auch moeglich sein: var_remove CC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " '-O*'
[16:56] < rxr> clifford: ok ich muss mal in die bash subtitution reinschauen glaube ich
[16:56] < clifford> bis jetzt hab' ich aber erst var_append und var_insert geschrieben.
[16:57] < blindcoder> praenti> where can I get UTP-Adaptors for PCMCIA-Network-Cards in or around Ingolstadt?
[16:57] < clifford> rxr: da gcc die letzte option verwendest waere aber auch moeglich:
[16:57] < clifford> var_append CC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " -O0
[16:58] < rxr> aber unschoen ;-)
[16:58] < clifford> rxr: bei mir builded ogg-vorbis uebrigens ohne probleme ...
[16:59] < rxr> gcc3 ? ;-)
[16:59] < hackbard> kann man auch variablen angeben, die man raushaben will, also zb foo=${foo/$bar/} ?
[17:00] < clifford> hackbard: ja - das geht. (die ${x/y/z} syntax kann aber nur bash)
[17:00] < hackbard> ah, gut - danke.
[17:00] < hackbard> so bekomm ich das script das late downloads loeschen soll vielleicht doch noch hin ..
[17:00] < clifford> rxr: deine sed Zeile sollte uebrigens lauten: sed "s,-O[^ ]*,,g" (du loescht zu viel).
[17:04] < rxr> clifford: oops ...
[17:04] < rxr> clifford: aber dein ogg-vorbis war gcc3 ?
[17:12] < esden> re hi all
[17:12] < esden> endlich wieder im wochenende ... puhh
[17:12] < clifford> rxr: standard: C mit gcc2 und C++ mit gcc3
[17:14] < esden> clifford: [nervallarm] kommt heute ein neuer snapshot raus? und wenn ja dann welche neuerungen werden enthalten sein ? [nervallarm]
[17:17] < hackbard> alsa fails too, it wnats to create a symlink to /usr/share/automake/ .. but there is only automake-1.6 directory!
[17:18] < clifford> hackbard: alsa is already fixed in my code.
[17:18] < hackbard> okay
[17:19] < clifford> esden: alsa fix, cups fix, *.cache creation fix, sourceforge update, kleinigkeiten.
[17:23] < blindcoder> esden> I finally managed to install and actually use irssi ;)
[17:25] < esden> clifford: cool ... thanks for the info ..
[17:25] < esden> blindcoder: brav ;-)
[17:26] < esden> scheisse habe ich einen hunger ... und ich habe schon heute gegessen ...
[17:26] < blindcoder> esden> there's a new pz-config in my apollo-home. It didn'tcreate usable .pz files... now it does ;)
[17:26] < esden> blindcoder: good ... ;-)
[17:26] < esden> blindcoder: sent an update to huebi ?
[17:26] < blindcoder> i already sent it to his ftp
[17:26] < esden> blindcoder: good
[17:27] esden needs more good music ...
[17:27] < blindcoder> esden> I recommend more JPop ;)
[17:27] < esden> let me see whot is on mp3.com
[17:27] < esden> blindcoder: sure you do ;-)
[17:28] < blindcoder> esden> in irssi: is there another way to switch windows instead of /window #
[17:28] < esden> RTFM ;-)
[17:28] < blindcoder> oh and esden> I found my PCM-Network Card again.... but please don't ask where it w
[17:28] < blindcoder> esden> 2 lazy
[17:28] < esden> yes sure <ESC>-screenumber
[17:28] < rxr> bin wech ..
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[17:28] < esden> yes sure <alt>-screennumber
[17:29] < blindcoder> that will be a problem...
[17:29] < blindcoder> alt-[0-9] are already taken by IceWM
[17:29] < esden> blindcoder: so use <esc> number
[17:30] < blindcoder> ah fine. thanks *hugs esden*
[17:30] < esden> denada ... but next time RTFM ;-)
[17:32] < blindcoder> we'll see..
[17:32] < esden> HP + Campaq = HPQ
[17:32] < esden> good to know
[17:35] < blindcoder> esden> do you know where "Stroehmer" is in IN?
[17:36] < esden> urgh ... I heared it many tymes ... but sorry ... no idea where it is ...
[17:36] < esden> why ?
[17:37] < blindcoder> I need a new UTP-Adaptor for my PCM-NIC
[17:37] < blindcoder> I finally found it again ;)
[17:37] < blindcoder> don't ask where
[17:37] < esden> where ? *fg*
[17:37] < blindcoder> in the glove-box of my car
[17:38] < esden> lool
[17:38] < blindcoder> I told you not to ask >_<
[17:38] < esden> muahaha ;-)
[17:38] < blindcoder> and since stroehmer sells DFE-Hardware they also have this adaptor i need
[17:38] < blindcoder> and once I have it your mum will be happy ;)
[17:39] < esden> yes she will
[17:39] < blindcoder> or i still keep it and make a router out of my laptop while reinstalling my real router :D
[17:39] < esden> rofl
[17:39] < esden> yes you can do it ... ;-)
[17:40] < blindcoder> oh and I finally found out why X-Forwarding didn't really work with my router/file-serv/application-server-hybrid
[17:42] < blindcoder> If the sshd doesn't allow it then I'll have some slight problems with it...
[17:42] < esden> and ? why ?
[17:43] < blindcoder> X11Forwarding no
[17:43] < esden> .oO(nein nein piotr du sagst nichts ... nein nein nein ...)
[17:44] < blindcoder> YES!! I finally found the homepage of kterm
[17:44] < clifford> hmm - maybe I should break this up into multiple lines:
[17:44] < clifford> var_remove() {
[17:44] < clifford> eval "$1=\"\`echo \"\$$1\" | awk -- ' { split(\$0, a, \"$2\"); for (c1=c2=1; c1 in a; c1++) { if ( a[c1] !~ /^$3\\\$/ ) b[c2++]=a[c1]; } for (c1=1; c1 in b; c1++) { printf \"%s%s\", (c1 > 0 ? \"$2\" : \"\"), b[c1]; } }'\`\""
[17:44] < clifford> }
[17:45] < esden> clifford: nene ... dass ist eine immer noch zu kurze zeile ...
[17:45] < esden> mache ruhig wieter ;-)
[17:46] < clifford> Ha! bei der ersten for loop kann ich die klammern einspaaren!
[17:47] < SMP> na, beim zweiten auch
[17:47] < clifford> SMP: richtig. (das waren vorher 2 statements - bis ich mich entsonnen habe das awk ja ? : unterstuetzt)
[17:51] < clifford> btw - wenn jemand eine elegantere form als awk fuer das weiss: bitte melden!
[17:52] < SMP> ich versuche grad das zu Verstehen. ohne Kontext nicht ganz einfach
[17:52] < SMP> wie sieht denn der Input aus?
[17:52] < clifford> SMP: das ist das gegenstueck zu var_append und var_insert in scripts/build-functions
[17:52] < blindcoder> esden> you have some time?
[17:53] < esden> blindcoder: why ?
[17:53] < clifford> SMP: Z.Bsp.: var_remove CC_WRAPPER_INSERT " " "-O.*"
[17:53] < SMP> ARGH ja
[17:53] < clifford> (der 2. parameter ist der delimiter fuer eintraege)
[17:53] < SMP> das $2 im split ist ja nicht escaped! ;>
[17:53] < clifford> SMP: soll es ja auch nicht.
[17:53] < SMP> ja, das ist schon klar
[17:54] < blindcoder> esden> killing some time, going to stroehmer, buying a new "Schwanzerl"
[17:54] < clifford> blindcoder: WHAT?
[17:54] < esden> blindcoder: wenn du mich abholst .. ? kommnt auf rollen ?
[17:55] < blindcoder> clifford> a new UTP-Adaptor for my PCMCIA-Network Card. The othere one is still in Place ;)
[17:55] < blindcoder> esden> 4 Rollen, 2 vorne, 2 hinten, 90 PS. okay?
[17:55] < esden> blindcoder: passt ;-)
[17:55] < SMP> clifford: dann finde ich den Namen var_* etwas misverstaendlich -- param_ waere besser gewesen IMHO
[17:55] < clifford> blindcoder: aha...
[17:56] < clifford> wieso param? die funktionen modifizieren shell variablen - sie erweitern vorn und hinten und loeschen.
[17:56] < blindcoder> esden> I just clean up my dcc-incoming folder
[17:56] < SMP> clifford: hrm ja .
[17:57] < esden> blindcoder: pokeing a little bit more in the dietlibc target
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[18:12] < bluefire> re
[18:13] < huebi> re
[18:13] < blindcoder> esden> I'm off now... expect me to haunt you in half an hour :D
[18:13] < esden> kk
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[18:19] < huebi> clifford:
[18:26] < hackbard> ich blick ab dem ersten awk nichtmehr durch ;)
[18:26] < hackbard> aber wuerde es so gehen: https://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/files/projects/rock/Cleanup-Old , wenn ich build-functions vorher ausfuehr ..?
[18:31] < clifford> huebi: ja?
[18:33] < clifford> hackbard: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown
[18:34] < hackbard> eigentlich intention ist es diese zu loeschen.
[18:34] < jonath[an]> re
[18:34] < hackbard> das echo ist nur temporaer
[18:34] < hackbard> wb jonath[an]
[18:34] < jonath[an]> just 6 hours more and i'll be rocking again
[18:34] < hackbard> kannst du das evtl schoen ins Download mit einbauen?
[18:35] < clifford> hackbard: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | xargs rm -vf
[18:35] < hackbard> okay. :)
[18:35] < clifford> hackbard: dazwischen wuerd' ich normalerweise noch mit grep dinge wie *.incomplete und *-err ausfilter.
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[18:37] < Mike1> hi all
[18:37] < jonath[an]> hello Miguel
[18:37] < clifford> hi Mike.
[18:37] < hackbard> stimmt! das ist sinnvoll
[18:37] < hackbard> hi miguel
[18:37] < Mike1> clifford the new colors of the site looks pretty cool
[18:38] < clifford> hackbard: pass halt auf, das du das cmd richtig schreibst. sonst loescht du dir ./scripts/Download wegen der hilfe (habs bei mir jetzt umgeaendert so das er die hilfe nach fd 2 schreibt).
[18:38] < clifford> Mike1: thanks.
[18:39] < Mike1> bitte
[18:40] < clifford> Mike1: I also think that the quickbar on the top of the page was a good idea ..
[18:40] < clifford> I might help new users a lot to find the right information.
[18:41] < Mike1> clifford yes definitly
[18:42] < Mike1> clifford have you ever thought about making a banner of a tux throwing ROCK's to Bill Gates?
[18:42] < Mike1> or something like that
[18:43] < clifford> Mike1: you might have recognised that I;m trying to give the homepage a proffesional style ..
[18:43] < Mike1> *g yes i know
[18:44] < jonath[an]> LOL
[18:44] < Mike1> is just that i have always thought it would be funny
[18:44] < Mike1> anyways i really think the page changes are way cool, ROCK has changed a lot in a year but changed for good
[18:45] < Mike1> congrats clifford
[18:45] < clifford> I wouldn't consider showing a picter where someone is throwing heavy objects on Bill Gates professional.
[18:45] < clifford> However - actually doing it (throwing heavy objects on Bill Gates) would be a lot of fun! :-)
[18:46] < Mike1> clifford i know it isnt definitly professional at all, but i agree it would be fun :)
[18:48] < Mike1> clifford how is it going with the Create-CD script?
[18:56] < clifford> Mike1: I don't know - I think Rene is working on it.
[18:56] < Mike1> Yo guys i'm doing a script thats pings my hosts and let me know if they are up or not
[18:56] < Mike1> so i do ping -w 10 <host> or ping -c 5 <host>
[18:56] < clifford> (In fact, the Create-CD script is pretty easy. But it's useless without install disks.)
[18:57] < Mike1> but it to continue the proccess if it receives packages back, if not it must email me
[18:57] < Mike1> any suggestions?
[18:57] < Mike1> clifford ? :-)
[18:58] < clifford> Mike1: if ! ping -w 10 $hostname ; then echo "Subject: can't reach $hostname" | sendmail $email ; fi
[18:59] < Mike1> clifford hehe thank you so much
[18:59] < clifford> you are welcome ..
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[19:01] < jonath[an]> Mike1: it's easy
[19:01] < jonath[an]> wait a minute...
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[19:02] < jonath[an]> u just need to do a ping -c, save his return, false or true and put it on a if
[19:02] < jonath[an]> if it is true just send a mail with a log which says which hosts are up and which not
[19:02] < jonath[an]> i have one here..
[19:03] < clifford> jonath[an]: you haven't seen my msg, have you?
[19:03] < clifford> <clifford> Mike1: if ! ping -w 10 $hostname ; then echo "Subject: can't reach $hostname" | sendmail $email ; fi
[19:03] < Mike1> jonath[an] thanks to you too
[19:04] < jonath[an]> if ping -c1 192.168.0.10 > /dev/null 2> /dev/null
[19:04] < jonath[an]> then
[19:04] < jonath[an]> NEMESIS=1
[19:04] < jonath[an]> echo '[ NEMESIS is UP ]'
[19:04] < jonath[an]> else
[19:04] < jonath[an]> NEMESIS=0
[19:04] < jonath[an]> echo -ne '['
[19:04] < jonath[an]> setterm -foreground red
[19:04] < jonath[an]> echo -ne ' NIS is DOWN '
[19:04] < jonath[an]> setterm -default
[19:04] < jonath[an]> echo ']'
[19:04] < jonath[an]> fi
[19:04] < jonath[an]> sth laik this?
[19:04] < jonath[an]> yes, and apply cliff pipe to sendmail
[19:05] < Mike1> :) ok
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[19:05] < Mike1> jonath[an] </flood>
[19:05] < jonath[an]> well, i do this catching a 1 or 0 for my hosts list
[19:06] < Mike1> i c
[19:06] < hackbard> i will try to export the root directory (with a modified rc_S), also the pkg.tar.bz2's and boot remote clients via floppy which schoud get partitioned, mke2fs'ed and after that installed. behaviour may be controled via dhcp 'flags'.
[19:09] < hackbard> like fai for debian
[19:10] < hackbard> i have to go, later ... (currently compiling stage3 xfree)
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[19:18] < holyolli> re
[19:18] < Mike1> hi holyolli
[19:19] < holyolli> hi Mike1
[19:23] < esden> re hi all
[19:23] < Mike1> re esden
[19:25] < Mike1> sip
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[19:27] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[19:31] < holyolli> esden: weisst du, wann fake mal wieder an der tastatur sitzt=
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[20:09] < huebi> MoeP!
[20:10] < huebi> the first version of the page https://www.rocklinux.org/people/huebi/index.html is uploaded
[20:10] < huebi> I will have some more work on it later.
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[20:18] < blindcoder> reMoeP
[20:18] < huebi> :-)
[20:19] < blindcoder> looks nice
[20:19] < blindcoder> you should make the BIG FAT WARNING <blink> hehe
[20:20] < huebi> blindcoder: Thank you.
[20:20] < huebi> I have to adapt the rocklinux.dyndns.org page rock.sed script
[20:20] < blindcoder> esden just smiles in the background
[20:21] < huebi> hehe
[20:23] < huebi> esden: have a look ;>
[20:25] < blindcoder> he's actually trying to install a Network-Phaser-Printer
[20:25] < clifford> huebi: https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/rock16/
[20:27] < huebi> clifford: Ok. I take that index.in.
[20:27] < blindcoder> clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/getting.html <---- In the "Building it yourself" Box: Are we going to "War" or is it a "Warning"??
[20:30] clifford finished new reference build - uploading snap with new *.cache files now ..
[20:32] < clifford> blindcoder: fixed. :-)
[20:33] < blindcoder> *smile*
[20:33] < blindcoder> huebi> did you have a look at the pz-config.sh?
[20:36] < huebi> blindcoder: not at the new one. First I fix XFree86 then I'll test it.
[20:37] < blindcoder> yokai
[20:38] < huebi> And after that I write some news about 1.5
[20:39] < huebi> upload the snapshots, Changelog and the source of the latest snapshot
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[21:05] < clifford> Repository Total number of pkgs Number of broken packages
[21:05] < clifford> base ........................... 184 ........................ 0
[21:05] < clifford> x11 ............................ 107 ........................ 7
[21:05] < clifford> extra1 ......................... 88 ........................ 10
[21:05] < clifford> extra2 ......................... 9 ........................ 2
[21:05] < clifford> sourceforge .................... 247 ........................ 231
[21:05] < clifford> (Only 16 sourceforge packages are not broken :-)
[21:06] < huebi> clifford: Why is the XFree86 documentation not build?
[21:06] < huebi> in 1.5
[21:07] < huebi> clifford: I think that the nmaintainig of sf does need some modification
[21:07] < blindcoder> clifford> how did you create this overview?
[21:08] < clifford> blindcoder: vi. what do you mean?
[21:08] < clifford> huebi: Ad sf: yes. I fully agree with you - but explain it to Pjotr ..
[21:09] < blindcoder> clifford> can it be generated automagically or is it handwork (esdens question)
[21:11] < clifford> blindcoder: I don't have the command now (and don't like to re-type it) - grep for ^\[.-ERROR\] in the *.cache files ..
[21:11] < blindcoder> esden to clifford> i c
[21:13] < clifford> huebi: Ad X11 docs: you mean X420src-3 ?
[21:22] < huebi> clifford: exact. X4200src-3
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[21:22] < clifford> huebi: I never had the time to look at it. I will ask Rene to include it ..
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[21:33] < huebi> clifford: i add it now :-)
[21:36] < clifford> huebi: ok. could you please send me the patch when you are done (I will adopt it for 1.7 myself)
[21:36] < huebi> clifford: ok
[21:36] < clifford> I have to go now .. cu.
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[22:30] < jonath[lunch]> re Mike1
[22:30] < Mike1> :O)
[22:31] < jonath[lunch]> just leave 1:30 hours to presente the spreadshit
[22:31] < jonath[lunch]> (i hate my english)
[22:31] < Mike1> gut
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[22:42] < huebi_> hi
[22:43] < huebi_> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog <- new changelog
[22:45] < jonath[lunch]> just leave 1 hour
[22:45] < huebi_> bye jonath[lunch]
[22:45] < jonath[lunch]> bye?
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[22:46] < jonath[lunch]> im not going to leave, sorry :_
[22:46] -!- jonath[lunch] is now known as jonath[an]
[22:46] < clifford> huebi: you have /etc/{passwd,shadow,group} in $flistdel ?
[22:46] < huebi_> jonath[lunch]: May be I'm asleep when you come back. it's 22h46 here
[22:46] < huebi_> clifford: Yes
[22:49] < clifford> huebi: I can't see that you remove them for the 'sysfiles' package ..
[22:49] < clifford> at least one package should contain them.
[22:51] < huebi_> clifford: The intension was that only one package owns these files.
[22:51] < huebi_> clifford: How can Ichange sysfiles?
[22:52] < clifford> base-config/sysfiles/sysfiles.conf ..
[22:53] < huebi_> clifford: And what do you suggest to change?
[22:53] < clifford> huebi: that doesn't fix the inital problem. If a package adds something to this files in expects that this entries are really there on the installed system.
[22:53] < clifford> huebi: fixing the packages which are trying to change /etc/{passwd,group,shadow}
[22:53] < SMP> clifford: that's something for the setup script!
[22:54] < clifford> SMP: correct - that's what I wanted to say.
[22:54] < SMP> how's that solved in 1.7?
[22:54] < SMP> packages "don't do that"?
[22:55] < huebi_> That means to add a setup script for every package which tries to change /etc/{passwd,group,shadow}
[22:55] < clifford> SMP: yes. they should not do that.
[22:55] < SMP> well ..
[22:55] < SMP> I'm going to bed now ;)
[22:56] < clifford> SMP: currently hylafax is broken and adds something to all three files.
[22:56] < SMP> hylafax is horrorfax
[22:56] < huebi_> Creating tars/intel-xfree86.tar.bz2 ... 64M <- a little bit bigger now :-)
[22:56] < clifford> SMP: *smile*
[22:56] < clifford> huebi: that's ok. :-)
[22:57] < huebi_> clifford: X420src-3.tbz2 is now in there
[22:58] < huebi_> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/xfree86/ <- and 3 official patches are added.
[23:05] < huebi_> clifford: I'll have a look at gpm or alsa to see how it is to be done with setup() and update() in a setup script. If the modification problem for these to files is solved in the way that every package needing to e.g. add a user does this with a seperat setup script then I'll remove $flistdel again. In the moment it's really ugly to be there without these files after pkg-remove of such apackage.
[23:05] < huebi_> hmm, reads ugly.
[23:21] < clifford> huebi: Now also added X420src-3 here.
[23:22] < huebi_> clifford: great. :-)
[23:22] < huebi_> clifford: Could you use my cvsweb.cgi ?
[23:23] < clifford> huebi: sure.
[23:23] < huebi_> nice :-)
[23:31] < clifford> ok - jetzt bin ich wirklich weg - cu.
[23:31] -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
[23:31] < huebi_> gute nacht ;-)
[23:32] < clifford_away> huebi: gute nacht? ich muss noch steuererklaerung machen!
[23:34] < huebi_> clifford_away: habe ich fuer die letzten 3 Jahre jezt mal nachholen duerfen ;-)
[23:34] < huebi_> export CVSROOT=:pserver:anonymous@rocklinux.dyndns.org:/home/cvs/cvsroot
[23:34] < huebi_> cvs login
[23:34] < huebi_> <enter>
[23:35] < huebi_> cvs co rock-1.5
[23:35] < huebi_> works now ;-)
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[23:43] < holyolli> re
[23:43] < huebi_> hi holyolli
[23:44] < holyolli> hi huebi
[23:46] < huebi_> holyolli: Ich sehe mir gerade von blindcoder die pz-config.sh an. Erste tests sind gerade ganz gut verlaufen. Ich werde sie jetzt mit ins Rocklinux uebernehmen.
[23:46] < holyolli> was macht das genau?
[23:48] < huebi_> ein Schicker editor fuer die .pz .desc files
[23:48] < holyolli> cool
[23:49] < holyolli> btw. hastu dir mal die file von mir angesehen?
[23:49] < huebi_> noch nicht. steht jetzt aber als naechstes an.
[23:49] < holyolli> prima :)
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[23:54] < jonath[an]> brb
[23:57] < jonath[an]> back
[23:57] < holyolli> re and hi jonath[an]
[23:57] < jonath[an]> hehe
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