-!- Irrsi Log opened Wed May 08 00:00:32 2002
-!- Irrsi Day changed Wed May 08 2002
[00:00] < d3mian> ping Mike1
[00:00] < d3mian> :)
[00:00] < esden> no ... I will not write the email ...
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[00:00] < esden> I prefere to talk to clifford first ...
[00:01] Mike1 busy ping timeout 100% package lost :P
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[00:03] < d3mian> umm, is there a prob in irc.openprojects.net? i didnt see nickserv msg
[00:03] < esden> ok I go to bed
[00:03] < esden> cu guys
[00:04] < d3mian> bye esden
[00:04] < tsa> cu esden
[00:04] < tsa> d3mian: yes...nickserv and chanserv are gone.
[00:04] < tsa> there probably are some problems..
[00:04] < d3mian> ahh ic
[00:09] < tsa> btw...yes, openprojects has some trouble, and they are currently working on this. i've just spoken to one of the staff people..
[00:09] < rxr> re
[00:09] < tsa> re rxr
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[01:17] < rxr> anyone with ssh knwoledge here?
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[01:21] < huebi> re
[01:21] < huebi> here i am
[01:21] < huebi> from the U5
[01:21] < huebi> *freu*
[01:22] < huebi> rxr: whats zour problem?
[01:22] < d3mian> :)
[01:23] < huebi> Linux localhost 2.4.17 #1 Fri Jan 11 16:56:29 MET 2002 sparc64 unknown
[01:25] < th_> rxr: was haste denn fuer ssh probleme?
[01:30] < rxr> hi
[01:30] < th_> hi
[01:30] < rxr> I need a public key sent do another persion
[01:30] < rxr> i generated one with the ssh-keygen
[01:30] < rxr> I want to test the key before i send it over ...
[01:31] < th_> openssh or the original?
[01:31] < rxr> openssh
[01:31] < th_> so just add it to you authorized_keys file
[01:31] < rxr> i added the key into .ssh/autorized_keys and also tried the ...,2 files
[01:31] < th_> in ~/.ssh/
[01:31] < rxr> th_: did this ...
[01:32] < th_> ~/.ssh/identity is you private key?
[01:32] < rxr> shh asks me for a paassword not for the path-phrase ...
[01:32] < rxr> only my regular user passwd on this box works ...
[01:33] < th_> use -v
[01:33] < th_> look what's wrong
[01:33] < th_> look at logfiles
[01:33] < rxr> hehe already tried this ...
[01:34] < th_> 01:32:34 < th_> ~/.ssh/identity is you private key?
[01:34] < rxr> currently id_dsa is it ...
[01:34] < th_> rename or link
[01:36] < rxr> ahhh!
[01:38] < th_> it works?
[01:38] < rxr> party
[01:39] < th_> seems to mean "yes"
[01:39] < rxr> no
[01:39] < d3mian> eh?
[01:40] < rxr> when a persons say: ssh public key
[01:40] < rxr> does he want a rsa or dsa key=
[01:40] < rxr> s/=/?/
[01:40] < rxr> read: do all versions support both ?
[01:41] < th_> i'd prefer dss
[01:41] < th_> aehm
[01:41] < th_> dsa
[01:42] < rxr> is the key's trainling hostname used for s.th. ??
[01:42] < rxr> mine has: rene@jackson.localnet
[01:42] < rxr> I wonder if this will work in the i-net ... ?=
[01:42] < th_> no
[01:42] < th_> aehm
[01:42] < th_> yes it works
[01:42] < th_> it's just a comment
[01:42] < rxr> ah
[01:43] < d3mian> i always though that openprojects.net irc servers will be more efficient that others
[01:44] < th_> ;0
[01:45] rxr hates hacking on security tools in the middle of the night
[01:47] < rxr> th: on the server I get: May 8 02:00:19 portable sshd[428]: Failed keyboard-interactive for rene from ::ffff:192.168.1.4 port 33590 ssh2
[01:47] < rxr> on the client: debug1: next auth method to try is publickey
[01:47] < rxr> debug1: try privkey: /home/rene/.ssh/identity
[01:47] < rxr> debug1: PEM_read_PrivateKey failed
[01:47] < rxr> debug1: read PEM private key done: type <unknown>
[01:47] < rxr> Enter passphrase for key '/home/rene/.ssh/identity':
[01:47] < rxr> debug1: read PEM private key done: type DSA
[01:48] < rxr> debug1: authentications that can continue: publickey,password,keyboard-interacti
[01:48] < rxr> ...
[01:48] < rxr> debug1: next auth method to try is password
[01:48] < rxr> rene@portable.localnet's password:
[01:48] < th_> und die stelle wo publickey disabled wird?
[01:49] < rxr> th_: there nothgin more usefull ...
[01:51] < th_> and authorized keys contains just that line?
[01:51] < th_> (with the public key)
[01:51] < rxr> jups
[01:51] < rxr> hm
[01:51] < rxr> maybe they need a trainling newline? *shit*
[01:52] rxr generating the 8th key ...
[01:52] < d3mian> :p
[01:52] < th_> hmmm ich hab damit eigentlich keine probleme... naja ich nehme auch ssh.com aber das macht keinen unterschied
[01:53] < th_> rxr: sind die permissions restriktiv genug?
[01:53] < rxr> wieso nimmst du ssh.com ?
[01:53] < rxr> *wunder*
[01:53] < rxr> -rw------- 1 rene users 744 May 8 01:52 id_dsa
[01:53] < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 611 May 8 01:52 id_dsa.pub
[01:53] < rxr> -rw-r--r-- 1 rene users 239 May 8 01:49 known_hosts
[01:53] < rxr> hat ssh-keygen selber gebaut ...
[01:54] < rxr> juche!!!!!!!!!!!
[01:54] < rxr> the trailing newline #ICH_KOTZE!_WUERG'!?!?
[01:54] rxr jumping really heavily arround
[01:54] < rxr> shit tools
[01:54] < rxr> sorry
[01:54] < rxr> so
[01:54] < rxr> bin wieder friedlich ;-)
[01:55] < th_> weil am imitat (openssh) immer irgendwas inkompatibel ist
[01:55] < th_> und warum sollte ich ne nachbildung nehmen, wenn das original auch kostenlos ist?
[01:55] < rxr> lizenz von ssh ?
[01:56] < th_> ausserdem fehlen mir da features
[01:56] < th_> free auf linux und bsd
[01:56] < rxr> missing features are?
[01:56] < th_> ich weiss nicht was mittlerweile bei openssh dabei ist... aber mir fehlte immer regexp beim AllowUser und chrooten fuer user vom ssh ausgehend
[01:57] < th_> d.h. anhand einer egid, gid oder uid wird ein user in sein home chrooted oder nicht
[01:58] < rxr> ah
[01:58] < th_> sehr gut geeignet fuer z.b. cvs per :ext: mit ssh wenn man keine system-accounts vergeben will
[01:59] < rxr> hm
[02:00] < rxr> auf ner i-net box klapts noch immer nett ...
[02:00] < th_> gibt es adapter die mir aus ner parallelen schnittstelle ne serielle machen?
[02:00] < th_> meinetwegen mit software treibern?
[02:00] < rxr> puh - kann gut sein. usb -> seriell gibt es auf jeden fall ...
[02:00] < rxr> anwendungszweck ?
[02:00] < th_> irgendein bloeder laptop der angeblich keine serielle schnittstelle hat soll benutzt werden um irgendeine hardware per seriell zu steuern
[02:00] < th_> (windows)
[02:01] < rxr> hat das ding nen usb port?
[02:01] < th_> er hat nen ps2 anschluss, aber das ist doch nicht vollwertig rs232 afaik
[02:01] < th_> das bezweifle ich fast...
[02:01] < th_> es gibt pcmcia karten aber da hab ich nur was fuer > 150 euro gefunden
[02:01] < rxr> ich glaube wenn es parallel -> seriell gibt ist das ding sicher schwer zu bekommen ...
[02:02] < rxr> da ist pcmcia -> seriell warscheinlich noch einfacher ...
[02:02] < th_> naja vllt ist ja usb da, dann sollte es kein thema sein
[02:05] < rxr> argh
[02:06] < th_> n8
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[02:09] < rxr> n8
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[02:12] < rxr> YYEEAAHH!!
[02:13] rxr works finally *jump* *jump*
[02:14] < tomik> hello
[02:14] < rxr> hi
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[02:35] < huebi> so I started to build up my build environment on the U5
[02:35] < huebi> but now it's time to go to bed
[02:35] < huebi> bye
[02:37] < d3m|brb> cu huebi
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[02:40] < rxr> n8 huebi
[02:40] < rxr> ich leg mich jetzt auch hin ...
[02:41] < d3mian> umm
[02:42] < d3mian> somebody tried to erase my $home files
[02:42] < d3mian> he did it
[02:43] < d3mian> rxr: da u have rlogin working?
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[03:31] < id10t> hi all
[03:34] < id10t> anyone got a working url to the rock linux guide? the link on the page 404's
[03:34] id10t wants to rtfm
[03:37] < d3mian> hello id10t !!!
[03:38] < d3mian> let me see
[03:42] < d3mian> umm, there is a error
[03:43] < d3mian> but i have sources one here
[03:43] < d3mian> da u have mail?
[03:45] < id10t> sure do
[03:45] < id10t> linuxb0y@hotmail.com
[03:45] < id10t> i appreciate it
[03:49] < d3mian> wait a minute
[03:57] < d3mian> mail sent
[03:58] < d3mian> :)
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[05:23] < d3mian> hello cap
[05:23] < d3mian> :)
[05:23] < cap> hi d3mian :-)
[05:23] < cap> compiled rock?
[05:23] < d3mian> yet no
[05:23] < d3mian> da u?
[05:24] < d3mian> i m waitinf for a new box
[05:24] < d3mian> i dunt have enough space, what about u?
[05:24] < cap> i'm downloading the dRock 1.6 rc3 right now
[05:24] < cap> its not that fast with isdn
[05:24] < d3mian> umm, cool
[05:24] < d3mian> but.. sources right?
[05:24] < cap> ..the binaries
[05:24] < d3mian> ahh
[05:24] < d3mian> ic
[05:25] < d3mian> where da u live cap ?
[05:25] < cap> good ol'germany :)
[05:25] < d3mian> ok
[05:26] < d3mian> i use phone line connection
[05:26] < d3mian> 56K
[05:26] < cap> ugh
[05:26] < d3mian> how much is ur bandwidht?
[05:26] < cap> ~ 7 kb/s
[05:27] < d3mian> ehh?
[05:27] < d3mian> really?
[05:28] < cap> hmmm
[05:29] < d3mian> dont u have rock users near ur city, I mean to borrow drock isos
[05:29] < cap> well its 115K, should be twice as fast as a serial modem line
[05:30] < cap> we say 7 kb/s
[05:30] < d3mian> yes
[05:30] < d3mian> ok
[05:30] < cap> i dont now anyone using rock
[05:30] < cap> came over it through the internet
[05:30] < cap> :-)
[05:30] < d3mian> ahh ic
[05:30] < d3mian> well, i live in costa rica
[05:30] < d3mian> :p
[05:31] < cap> thats c00l
[05:31] < d3mian> yeah
[05:32] < cap> ahhh costa rica is northern to panama, right?
[05:34] < d3mian> ehh
[05:34] < d3mian> yes
[05:35] < cap> how comes you're interested in rock?
[05:35] < d3mian> wait..
[05:35] < d3mian> mom
[05:36] < d3mian> back
[05:36] < d3mian> umm, i met a rock user here in cr
[05:36] < d3mian> i think we are alone with rock here hehe
[05:36] < d3mian> well, what about u
[05:36] < d3mian> ?
[05:37] < cap> i was looking for a flexible but none-"klickibunti" distro that you can build yourself
[05:38] < cap> so i am gonna try the binaries first
[05:38] < d3mian> :)
[05:38] < cap> then, in a 32,5 hours build procces, melt my own brew ;-)
[05:38] < d3mian> why drock and not rock?
[05:39] < cap> why not? :)
[05:39] < d3mian> well, it doesnt care
[05:39] < cap> its for my desktop computer
[05:39] < d3mian> ah ic
[05:42] < cap> i am playing around with openbsd, it will run a server (which i will put together from some old crap lying here and there :)
[05:42] < d3mian> QQok
[05:43] < d3mian> well, ppl say that rock is like openbsd
[05:43] < d3mian> i dunno
[05:43] < cap> so, dRock, is the desktop
[05:43] < d3mian> yes
[05:43] < cap> fine :-)
[05:43] < cap> i like openbsd style but i miss the bash by default
[05:43] < d3mian> hehe
[05:44] < d3mian> well, i used freebsd 4.4 just for 3 days
[05:44] < d3mian> :p
[05:44] < cap> 4.5 crashed with my first install :-) ..i threw it away..
[05:45] < d3mian> heheh
[05:45] < d3mian> yesterday i had a strange prob with sendmail
[05:46] < cap> yeah, i read it
[05:46] < d3mian> ok :)
[05:47] < d3mian> da u know about it?
[05:47] < cap> hm it deleted some files in /etc ?
[05:47] < cap> is it fixed ?
[05:48] < d3mian> well...
[05:48] < d3mian> not really
[05:48] < d3mian> i just created again accounts
[05:48] < d3mian> and reassigned the /home/* dirs owners
[05:48] < cap> how can sendmail delete files without prompting or anything?
[05:49] < cap> sounds like a.i. :)
[05:49] < d3mian> dunno
[05:49] < d3mian> it is rock sendmail package
[05:49] < d3mian> i installed sendmail from a rock-install cd
[05:49] < cap> so its a rock specific problem ?
[05:50] < d3mian> dunno
[05:50] < cap> :-o
[05:50] < d3mian> but that was in 1.5.13, there is no a stable realease for this
[05:51] < cap> no stable sendmail package for rock ?
[05:51] < d3mian> i decided to use that
[05:51] < d3mian> i mean that 1.5.13 is not a stable release
[05:51] < d3mian> 1.4.0 yes
[07:35] < d3mian> i dunno/away
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[08:09] < term_emu> morgen
[08:09] < d3mian> hello term_emu
[08:10] < d3mian> ich will a sarg , for sleep
[08:10] < d3mian> s/for/fur
[08:12] < term_emu> good night, d3mian :)
[08:12] < d3mian> hehe, thnx
[08:12] < d3mian> good morning term_emu
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[08:23] < d3mian> hi clifford_away
[08:28] < d3mian> __________________________
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[08:50] < huebi> good morning!
[08:50] < huebi> :-)))
[08:50] < d3mian> gut morning huebi
[08:50] < d3mian> :)
[08:50] < huebi> hi d3mian
[08:50] < huebi> I just started my first build on UltraSparc
[08:51] < d3mian> how does it goes?
[08:51] < d3mian> run cool?
[08:51] < huebi> == 08:47:13 =[1]=> Building base package glibc [2.2.5 1.5.14_2002-05-08_02h30].
[08:51] < huebi> untill here it's fine.
[08:51] < d3mian> ahh ic
[08:51] < d3mian> :)
[08:51] < huebi> later we will see more
[08:52] < d3mian> k
[08:53] < d3mian> huebi: do u know why in some PCs rock and drock cds doesnt boot
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[08:54] < d3mian> sometimes, during booting, i just see a large amount of couples of binary numbers, like this: 1010101010101
[08:59] < huebi> d3mian: someting with lilo, but I don't know exact what.
[09:02] < d3mian> lilo: sure?
[09:02] < d3mian> cauz i can boot with slackware instead
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[09:04] < bluefire> Moin
[09:04] < huebi> d3mian: hmmm
[09:05] < d3mian> hello bluefire
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[09:10] < d3mian> wb huebi
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[09:28] < anders_> good morning
[09:30] < rxr> re
[09:30] < anders_> how you doing rene? :)
[09:30] < rxr> Good morning anders_ ,)
[09:31] < rxr> I'm fine!
[09:36] anders_ just compiled a kernel w/o GRSecurity in it..
[09:36] < anders_> I feel naked.. :-D
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[09:38] < rxr> hehe
[09:39] < simon_> morgen
[09:47] < d3mian> hi rene
[09:47] < d3mian> cap is installing 1.6.0
[09:47] < d3mian> hi anders_
[09:47] < anders_> re d3mian
[09:47] < d3mian> hi simon
[09:50] < simon_> hi, sagt mal.. könnt ihr mir ein transparentes x terminal empfehlen?
[09:51] < anders_> Om jag visste vad han sa kanske jag skulle kunna hjalpa honom....
[09:52] < simon_> ?
[09:52] < anders_> export LANG=en_US
[09:53] < anders_> I said, if I knew what he said, perhaps I could help...
[09:53] < bluefire> simon_: I use gnome-terminal... but only because I use gnome. Maybe aterm or eterm.
[09:53] < simon_> anders_ hmm, what language are you speaking? =)
[09:53] < anders_> swedish.. :)
[09:53] < simon_> oh :-)
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[09:53] bluefire #include <babelfish.h>
[09:53] < anders_> aterm is a good transparent xterm (actually rxvt clone)
[09:54] < anders_> it'll do transparency, transparent scrollbar as well..
[09:54] < anders_> tinting, shading and all the other fancy stuff.
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[09:57] < simon_> thanks .. i'll try it :-)
[09:58] < anders_> dunno if there is an ext for it, I compiled from source by hand though I think...
[09:58] < anders_> search for aterm on freshmeat. :)
[10:11] < d3mian> anders_: why aterm, when u can download Imlib and use Eterm :)
[10:13] < th> [a-wyz]term sucks
[10:13] < d3mian> th ?
[10:13] < d3mian> so... what's ur recommendation?
[10:13] < SMP> [a-wyz] = [^x]
[10:13] < th> d3mian: i use and like [^a-wyz]term
[10:13] < th> SMP: would be to easy to see
[10:14] < SMP> th: he doesn't get it otherwise ;>>
[10:14] < SMP> morning, th ..
[10:14] < d3mian> gut murning SMP :>
[10:15] < th> moin auch smp
[10:20] < anders_> d3mian: Eterm and imlib require much more RAM.. :)
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[10:21] < anders_> aterm is reasonably light-weight..
[10:23] < d3mian> anders_: well, so so
[10:23] < d3mian> anders_: what about ur box?
[10:24] < anders_> d3mian: my box? what about it. :)
[10:26] < d3mian> anders_: i mean about its memory
[10:26] < anders_> oh, I only have 512MB, so have to be careful you know.. ;-)
[10:26] < d3mian> ahh ic
[10:26] < d3mian> poor one
[10:26] < d3mian> :(
[10:26] < anders_> hehehe
[10:27] < anders_> I can't fit more in it I think..
[10:27] < huebi_> Moin!
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[10:27] < anders_> I maybe could get 1GB in it, but 512MB SO-DIMM's are *very* expensive..
[10:27] < anders_> morning huebi
[10:27] < huebi> morning anders_
[10:28] < anders_> thinking about getting a 40GB HDD to replace the 20GB one already in it..
[10:29] < anders_> makes it easier to carry ISO's around.. ;-)
[10:29] < d3mian> ic
[10:29] < d3mian> i need a new box too
[10:29] anders_ needs to get an ADSL router...
[10:29] < d3mian> i just can spend $300
[10:29] < anders_> Hmm.. that's US$, right?
[10:30] < d3mian> yes
[10:30] < d3mian> :)
[10:30] < d3mian> _______________
[10:30] < d3mian> < Hello Rockers >
[10:30] < d3mian> ---------------
[10:30] < d3mian> \
[10:30] < d3mian> \
[10:30] < d3mian> .--.
[10:30] < d3mian> |o_o |
[10:30] < d3mian> |:_/ |
[10:30] < d3mian> // \ \
[10:30] < d3mian> (| | )
[10:30] < d3mian> /'\_ _/`\
[10:30] < d3mian> \___)=(___/
[10:30] < anders_> you might be able to pick'n'mix a Duron box together for that...
[10:30] < huebi> d3mian raises his stats ;-)
[10:31] < d3mian> i ll use it to buy a cheap box just for file server and some stuff
[10:31] anders_ is interested in the new Mini-ITX boards that are due to the market soon..
[10:33] < huebi> I think about a late JavaStation with 32MB RAM running Rocklinux. I want it to have as Xterminal
[10:35] < anders_> JavaStation is a Sun box of sorts?
[10:35] < d3mian> oughh, java
[10:37] < huebi> anders_: Yes a very small one. Passive cooled. But Java is far too slow on that small sun4m machine.
[10:38] < huebi> That's the reason why sun doesn't sell them anymore
[10:38] < th> huebi: how silent they are?
[10:38] < anders_> that a microsparc then?
[10:38] < th> like yoda i speak
[10:39] < huebi> But rocklinux on it should be fast enough
[10:39] < huebi> anders_: Yes microsparc.
[10:39] < huebi> hackbard and ripclaw also have one
[10:40] < d3mian> what does hackbard has?
[10:40] < d3mian> javastation?
[10:40] < huebi> d3mian: a JavaStation
[10:41] < d3mian> hackbard never told me that
[10:42] < th> huebi: so.. how silent are these javastations?
[10:43] < huebi> th: Noiseless! No fan inside. Ripclaw told me so.
[10:43] < d3mian> umm
[10:43] < th> huebi: no harddisk?
[10:43] < d3mian> were these javastations successful?
[10:43] d3mian guess no
[10:44] < huebi> th: No harddisk. It must be booted over the .net ;> with tftp
[10:44] < th> great
[10:44] < th> where to get them?
[10:44] < huebi> d3mian: No, they where too slow
[10:44] < th> would like to have it as text-console
[10:45] < anders_> huebi: if you can run it in a 8MB ramdisk, you should be alright..
[10:45] < huebi> th: One moment, please. I ask SUN...
[10:45] < huebi> anders_: It has 32 MB. So as X-Terminal it should be more than sufficient.
[10:46] < anders_> huebi: if you run it in an 8MB ramdisk, the kernel takes another two meg, X on that thing might eat more ram than you want..
[10:47] < th> anywhere good pictures of javastation?
[10:47] < huebi> https://store.sun.com/catalog/doc/BrowsePage.jhtml?catid=40767
[10:47] < th> ok found ine
[10:47] < th> s,ine,one,
[10:47] < th> there are many stations around
[10:48] < huebi> at ebay?
[10:48] < th> the "single unit" has no network?
[10:48] < th> https://www.idsa.org/whatis/seewhat/idea98/winners/javastation.htm
[10:48] < th> looks quite different
[10:49] < huebi> https://www.idsa.org/whatis/seewhat/idea98/winners/javastation.htm <- must be the old one.
[10:49] < anders_> They are *ugly*...
[10:49] anders_ shudders...
[10:49] < huebi> anders_: Yes they are.
[10:50] < d3mian> hehe
[10:50] < huebi> but I want to get rid of the purple stand.
[10:50] < d3mian> i guess that
[10:50] < d3mian> anyway, i hate java
[10:51] < huebi> d3mian: I want to have ROCKLINUX on it running.
[10:51] < d3mian> i mean that for java
[10:51] < d3mian> Rock will give it Color!
[10:52] < th> but > $500 is to expensive
[10:52] < anders_> $525 is a rip-off...
[10:52] < huebi> https://www.ultralinux.org/links.html <- All the stuff to run Linux on it.
[10:53] < huebi> th: I want to spend not more than 100$ or better 100EUR
[10:54] < anders_> wonder if SUN will sell you the hardware w/o selling you the OS license..
[10:55] < huebi> anders_: Yes. They know that they did a very bad job for me in the last year. 18 out of 23 servers broke down.
[10:56] < d3mian> ohh
[10:56] < d3mian> that's bad
[10:56] < huebi> and they handled it very, very bad. 150 overhours in last august!
[10:57] < d3mian> well
[10:57] < d3mian> so i enjoy my poor pc
[10:57] < d3mian> :)
[10:58] < d3mian> it is powered by rock linux :)
[10:58] < huebi> d3mian: I switched of this year 2 SUN server and replaced them with a very smal shell script on a ROCKlinux server *ggg*
[10:58] < huebi> and SUN knows that!
[10:59] < d3mian> jajajajaja
[10:59] < th> huebi: so do you think you could get an old jstation?
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[11:00] < d3mian> wb simon
[11:01] < huebi> SUN's hardware sales broke down by 53% last year. And I tell my customers which solution is the best. So SUN must be very carefull in what they are doing.
[11:01] < huebi> th: Better a used new one. :-)
[11:02] huebi is still angry about SUN. But I still want to make a business with them. And I want to have fun back with SUN. I like the Hardware.
[11:03] < th> yes. so keep me in mind when getting some javastations
[11:03] < huebi> brb. calling sun.
[11:04] < d3mian> hehe
[11:04] < d3mian> i think old nfs and sun hardware are the power of this company
[11:04] < d3mian> nothing else
[11:06] < huebi> anders_: are you still here?
[11:06] < anders_> huebi: what servers was it you got from SUN last year that kept breaking?
[11:09] < th> seems to be hard to get a javastation (reading that linux on js howto)
[11:09] th would like the JK-xx
[11:10] < anders_> huebi: yeah, still here.. (I am at work though, so might take a little while to respond...)
[11:11] < huebi> anders_: E4500: total breakdown, both systembords broken. 3x E250, U10 total breakdown,systembord broken, E3500 7 repairs nneded to fix.
[11:12] < anders_> huebi: what do you do for a living??? That is expensive kit!!
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[11:14] < huebi> anders_: I'm a self employed System Administrator. The broken machines are owned by my customers. My own U30 broke down 2 times ;( last year
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[11:14] < SMP> anders_: well then don't ask ripclaw about E10ks ;>
[11:14] < huebi> hi SMP !
[11:14] < SMP> jo huebi
[11:18] < huebi> anders_: do you know something about the quality of HP hard drives (IBM-OEM)? They have very many errors (e.g. 3541 entries in manufacturer table.)
[11:19] < huebi> I saw the same on Compaq disks from Fujitsu and seagate.
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[11:20] < huebi> On non OEM disks I normaly have allmost no errors (0 to 80).
[11:25] < th> was gibts ausser der javastation sonst so fuer vergleichbare thin clients
[11:25] < th> ?
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[11:26] < bas> What's a good (stable) ROCK version ?
[11:26] < huebi> th: I think there are just some proprietairy X-Terminals _not_ running Linux
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[11:27] < th> hmm
[11:28] SMP has an Entria X-Terminal by HP
[11:28] < th> SMP: at what costs?
[11:29] < th> SMP: which os?
[11:29] -!- praenti|away is now known as praenti
[11:29] < praenti> moin
[11:29] < huebi> https://www.livingston-europe.com/shop/shop.php/lk=de/sk=de/pid=478/pt=pis <- One offer but the prices at Livingston are allways too high!
[11:30] < huebi> hi praenti
[11:30] < huebi> hi ringo78
[11:30] < SMP> th: ah, it's an old one. I bought it used
[11:30] < SMP> th: I wouldn't say it runs an 'operating system' ;)
[11:30] < th> huebi: ray1... quite few technical specs
[11:31] < th> SMP: ok
[11:31] < SMP> it boot the Xserver over NFS/FTP and that's it
[11:31] < ringo78> hi all !
[11:31] -!- clifford_away is now known as clifford
[11:31] < th> os on ramdisk would be nice
[11:32] < d3mian> hi clifford
[11:32] < praenti> anyone know someone with a hp omnibook 4150B, who want to sell his mainboard
[11:32] < clifford> hi.
[11:32] < huebi> hi clifford
[11:33] < praenti> hi clifford
[11:33] < d3mian> i praenti
[11:34] < huebi> THe U5 is a little bit slow
[11:34] < praenti> d3mian: should that be a hi or you have a omnibook and want to sell the mainboard?
[11:34] < huebi> == 08:53:40 =[1]=> Building base package glibc [2.2.5 1.5.14
[11:34] < d3mian> praenti: ahh sorry, it is just a simple "hi"
[11:34] < huebi> == 11:31:55 05/08/02 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
[11:35] < d3mian> :)
[11:35] < clifford> huebi: what hw are you building on?
[11:36] < huebi> attention flood:
[11:36] < huebi>
[11:36] < huebi> root@fels:~# cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:36] < huebi> cpu: TI UltraSparc IIi
[11:36] < huebi> fpu: UltraSparc IIi integrated FPU
[11:36] < huebi> promlib: Version 3 Revision 31
[11:36] < huebi> prom: 3.31.0
[11:36] < huebi> type: sun4u
[11:36] < huebi> ncpus probed: 1
[11:36] < huebi> ncpus active: 1
[11:36] < huebi> Cpu0Bogo: 539.03
[11:36] < huebi> Cpu0ClkTck: 000000001017df80
[11:36] < huebi> MMU Type: Spitfire
[11:36] < huebi>
[11:36] < huebi> 640MB RAM 270MHZ
[11:36] < clifford> huebi: wouldn't it be faster to cross-build it?
[11:37] < huebi> clifford: I never tried a crossbuild and don't know how that works.
[11:37] < clifford> huebi: it's a little bit tricky with 1.5 ....
[11:38] < clifford> (in 1.7 it's easy: https://www.rocklinux.org/sources/Documentation/BUILD-CROSS)
[11:38] < th> www.disklessworkstations.com
[11:39] < huebi> clifford: I think at the beginning of the next week I get the connection at SUN to the right person in the SUN Developer Connection. Then we'll get a fast machine for Sparc compiles.
[11:40] < huebi> It's a question of having a budget inside SUN for lending a BLADE2000 with 2 1GHz CPU's and 2GB RAM
[11:40] < huebi> For 1 to 3 Months.
[11:41] < praenti> huebi: something wrong with kdelibs?
[11:42] < huebi> praenti: Yes it failed to compile
[11:42] < huebi> pcre libs where missing.
[11:42] < praenti> huebi: do you have the error message?
[11:42] < praenti> huebi: aha. kdelibs dont find pcrelibs?
[11:43] < anders_> riiight.. had coffee, feel awake now..
[11:43] < huebi> anders_: :-)))
[11:44] < huebi> In file included from /usr/include/libxslt/xsltutils.h:20,
[11:44] < huebi> from kio_help.cpp:43:
[11:44] < huebi> /usr/include/libxslt/xsltInternals.h:48: syntax error before `;'
[11:44] < anders_> huebi: HP disks are usually Seagates..
[11:45] < huebi> praenti: this is after I changed to not include pcre
[11:45] < huebi> anders_: These ones are IBM.
[11:45] < anders_> huebi: what model/type disks are they?
[11:45] < huebi> DDYS-T18350
[11:46] < praenti> huebi: i see. i try to build in the pcrelibs
[11:47] < huebi> anders_: My therory is that the big manufacturers just by the crap nobody else wants to have. Then they cover it with a good support contract.
[11:47] < huebi> praenti: I began that...
[11:47] < anders_> huebi: get the firmware upgraded to latest level...
[11:48] < praenti> huebi: ok. than i search if we need more than pcre. i dont know it at the moment
[11:48] < anders_> huebi: that is entirely possible... They probably go out and advertise they want to buy a big batch of disks and whoever come up with the cheapest deal get it that time..
[11:49] < huebi> praenti: https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/ext-config/pcre/
[11:49] < huebi> praenti: it,s still emty
[11:51] < huebi> anders_: Yes, and then HP/Compaq/... say it's normal that harddrives fail. Therefore you have our good (and expencive ) redundand Hardware....
[11:52] < praenti> huebi: i think this one is missing: libxslt
[11:52] < huebi> praenti: /join #AOL, please I lood it.
[11:52] < huebi> praenti: /join #AOL, please I flood it.
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[11:56] < huebi> hmm. ctrl-C in wrong Window ;(
[11:56] < anders_> huebi: I know what you mean..
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[11:57] < d3mian> keep us wb huebner
[11:57] < anders_> huebi: you can read about AIX microcode update for that disk here: https://techsupport.services.ibm.com/server/mdownload/ddys.htm
[11:57] < d3mian> um, just wb huebi
[11:58] < praenti> huebi: ok. you make the pcre-extension and i make the libxslt-extension
[11:58] < huebi> re
[11:58] < anders_> but it is up to HP to get you the ucode update for HP boxes.. Even if they use IBM disks..
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[11:58] < freed> hi @ll
[11:58] < huebi> hmm I dont see anything
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[11:59] < armijn> re
[11:59] < anders_> re armijn
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[12:00] < th> hey armijn
[12:00] < th> armijn: do you have some spare javastations?
[12:00] < huebi> ahh, my screen session was a little bit corrupted
[12:00] < armijn> th: no
[12:00] < d3mian> i armijn
[12:00] < huebi> hi armijn
[12:00] < th> armijn: hmm bad luck.
[12:00] < huebi> How went your exams?
[12:00] < armijn> gosh, I'm tired...
[12:01] < th> armijn: do you know where to get one?
[12:01] < armijn> two nights of almost *no* sleep
[12:01] < armijn> th: check www.ultralinux.org, they probably got links there...
[12:01] < d3mian> armijn: so u can reach me if u continue so
[12:01] < armijn> d3mian: ehr?
[12:01] < d3mian> armijn: 56 horas without sleeping
[12:02] < th> armijn: they just tell to look at ebay and yahoo auctions
[12:02] < armijn> d3mian: well, I had some sleep...
[12:02] < d3mian> s/horas/hours
[12:02] < armijn> th: well, then that's what you should do :)
[12:02] < th> ;>
[12:02] < huebi> armijn: SUN is now working on to lend us a Blade 2000 with 2 1GHz CPU's
[12:02] < huebi> armijn: I've been there yesterday
[12:03] < armijn> huebi: ok, kewl
[12:03] < armijn> gosh...I hate murders...
[12:04] < huebi> == 12:02:32 =[1]=> Building base package pdksh [5.2.14 <- armijn: Thats on the U5
[12:04] < armijn> huebi: ok
[12:05] < huebi> armijn: on top of 1.5.12 from Jan
[12:06] anders_ is going to reboot this vmware session..
[12:06] < anders_> brb...
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[12:06] < huebi> ripclaw has now also 1.5.12 on one of his U5
[12:07] < huebi> He got silo configured after I had copied by Hand 1.5.12 on the disc
[12:08] < armijn> huebi: I'm sorry, I'm not concentrated at all...
[12:08] < huebi> armijn: doesn't matter ;-)))
[12:09] < praenti> ok. libxslt is in base already
[12:09] < huebi> armijn: What Sun hardware do you compile on?
[12:09] praenti must go. cya
[12:09] < huebi> by praenti
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[12:09] < armijn> huebi: Ultra1
[12:09] < huebi> MHz?
[12:09] < armijn> 140
[12:10] < armijn> so that's the slowest one
[12:11] < huebi> armijn: Now I can get bach my U30 (300MHz) back to live.
[12:12] < huebi> I put rock 1.5.12 on it. If you want you can work on it again. Untill the faster SUN comes.
[12:12] < armijn> not right now, sorry
[12:12] armijn *tired*
[12:12] < huebi> armijn: In the next days?
[12:13] < armijn> huebi: no, tomorrow and friday (and the weekend) I won't be here at the university
[12:13] < armijn> no access...
[12:14] < huebi> armijn: Tell me when you want to have access. I arage it then.
[12:14] < armijn> monday.
[12:14] < huebi> armijn: ok
[12:14] < huebi> at what time?
[12:15] < armijn> around 6pm
[12:16] < huebi> armijn: I found your entry in shadow from my old gateway. I just copy it to the new one.
[12:17] < huebi> armijn: your mails are coming
[12:18] < armijn> k
[12:18] < huebi> armijn: devfs works.
[12:18] < armijn> haven't been able to get it working, but it's been a while
[12:19] < huebi> useradd -g armijn -c " Armijn Hemel" armijn
[12:19] < armijn> can you send me al lthe info again in an e-mail?
[12:20] < huebi> armijn: jo, I do so.
[12:20] < armijn> thanks
[12:21] < huebi> armijn: Plese try your login on rocklinux.dyndns.org
[12:21] < huebi> su - armijn
[12:21] < huebi> :-))
[12:22] < armijn> huebi: ok, one moment, first gotta mail with HP, I can get a PA-RISC machine...
[12:22] < armijn> on loan
[12:22] < huebi> armijn: with out costs for you?
[12:22] < armijn> without any costs
[12:22] < huebi> koool !!
[12:22] < armijn> HP will cover all the costs, will get it for just a few weeks
[12:23] < huebi> SUN wants to do the same ;-)
[12:23] < armijn> heh, good
[12:23] < armijn> on loan, right?
[12:23] < huebi> Yes
[12:24] < huebi> ROCK Linux get's bigger and bigger ;-) I like it.
[12:24] < armijn> just not sure whether I should do 1.7 or 1.5
[12:24] < armijn> ROCK gets too big, I hate that :('
[12:24] < huebi> armijn: 1.5
[12:24] < armijn> I mean, not the amount of users, but the applications
[12:25] < armijn> yeah, maybe 1.5...
[12:25] < huebi> armijn: You can strip it down for your own need's.
[12:25] < armijn> oh, I will...
[12:25] < armijn> you bet...
[12:25] < huebi> hehe
[12:25] < armijn> and the cool thing is, with the way ROCK is organised, it's not even a fork!
[12:26] < huebi> me too. A server with 1,3 GB OS is a little bit heavy ;-)
[12:27] huebi goes hunting ... breakfast
[12:27] < armijn> Huebi the Barbarian!
[12:28] < huebi> The installation of ROCK Spark was great fun. Booting from Splack, copying from ROCK-CD, unbzip2ing to /tmp and finaly untaring..
[12:29] < armijn> you used Jan's iso?
[12:29] < huebi> I mean the seriuos not ironic, the fun
[12:29] < huebi> armijn: Yes, Jan's iso
[12:30] < armijn> ok
[12:30] < huebi> I burned it twice on NT. There is no Joiliet extension on that cd so I couldn't read it with windows and thought it was broken.
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[12:30] < huebi> hiho
[12:30] < holyolli> moin
[12:31] < huebi> How are you holyolli
[12:31] < huebi> ?
[12:31] < holyolli> huebi: fine...and you?
[12:31] < armijn> heh
[12:32] < holyolli> huebi: is there the possibility that some patches i supplied aren't in the cvs-tree?
[12:32] < holyolli> hi armijn
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[12:32] < armijn> hi olli
[12:32] < holyolli> hi bluefire
[12:32] < bluefire> re
[12:32] < armijn> huebi: rocklinux.dyndns.org?
[12:32] < d3mian> hi bluefire , holyolli
[12:33] < holyolli> hi d3mian
[12:33] < armijn> huebi: and log into where?
[12:33] < d3mian> clifford: ur rock.sed script is cool
[12:33] < d3mian> :)
[12:33] < armijn> huebi: just changed my passwd
[12:34] < armijn> huebi: what's the ultra called?
[12:34] < huebi> armijn: fels
[12:34] < armijn> ok
[12:34] < huebi> fels is the U5
[12:34] < huebi> rock is the U30
[12:35] < armijn> no ssh running
[12:35] < holyolli> *g*
[12:35] < huebi> U30 IS OF
[12:35] < armijn> hmm, there is
[12:35] < armijn> but no connection
[12:35] < huebi> hmm ??
[12:35] < armijn> ah, because it's compiled normally
[12:35] < armijn> no optimization
[12:35] < armijn> took more than 20 seconds just to connect
[12:36] < armijn> huebi: I got no login on fels
[12:36] < huebi> armijn moment...
[12:36] < d3mian> maybe ssh is not running on huebi's pc
[12:36] < armijn> d3mian: it is running, it's another problem and I know what it is
[12:36] < huebi> d3mian: ssh is up. Butt ther is just a root account on it.
[12:37] < d3mian> ok
[12:37] < huebi> moment
[12:37] < huebi> fels <- german for rock
[12:38] < d3mian> rocka <- spanish for rock
[12:38] < d3mian> :)
[12:38] < huebi> :-)
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[12:39] < holyolli> hi anders_
[12:39] < d3mian> wb anders_
[12:39] < anders_> arrf.. rebuilding the kernel in debian to give me VESA FB support.. (And I am doing this in VMware...)
[12:39] < anders_> re guys.. :)
[12:41] < d3mian> i havent used vmware before :(
[12:41] < armijn> ah, or s390 porting guy...
[12:42] < huebi> armijn: can you login on fels as root?
[12:42] < armijn> root@fels:~#
[12:43] < huebi> armijn: A build is running ?
[12:43] < huebi> armijn: A build is running !!
[12:43] < anders_> d3mian: vmware is handy.. I'll be testing out new ROCK builds that way.. As well as kernel 2.5
[12:43] < armijn> kewl
[12:43] < d3mian> anders_: cool
[12:43] < huebi> armijn: == 12:36:43 05/08/02 =[1]=> Aborted building package util-linux.
[12:44] < anders_> I need framebuffer to get decent console size though..
[12:44] < armijn> huebi: I won't touch anything, just read log files
[12:44] < d3mian> anders_: i would like use it, but i dunt have enough time
[12:44] < huebi> armijn: :-)))
[12:44] < armijn> huebi: where's binutils?
[12:44] < d3mian> anders_: yes, framebuffer is cool, i use it at 1024x1280 i guess
[12:44] < anders_> d3mian: I have ROCK as base OS on my laptop, then I have Debian and OpenBSD installed in VMware as well as WinNT4..
[12:44] < armijn> huebi: you forgot binutils!!
[12:45] < d3mian> anders_: ic
[12:45] < d3mian> anders_: :)
[12:45] < huebi> armijn:
[12:46] < huebi> armijn: hmm.
[12:46] < anders_> d3mian: makes it easy to test things out, but you need RAM and CPU to cope with it.. I only have a P-III 750MHz, and that is alright if I don't fire up the WinNT session..
[12:46] < huebi> armijn: can you fix it?
[12:46] < armijn> huebi: oh yeah, download it :)
[12:46] < d3mian> anders_: can i run vmware in my box?, he has 550 Mhz and 128 in ram
[12:46] < armijn> huebi: and the assembler is fucked up as well
[12:46] < holyolli> huebi: have you fixed the problem in install-disks with the stripping of the CVS-dir?
[12:46] < anders_> d3mian: you'd need more RAM, but the CPU should be alright..
[12:47] < huebi> armijn: the ftp mirror is ftp://ella/rock-pkg-1.5
[12:47] < d3mian> anders_: k
[12:47] < huebi> holyolli: Not yet
[12:47] < anders_> d3mian: 256MB RAM is advicable..
[12:47] < armijn> huebi: ok, you need a *lot* of fixes first
[12:47] < d3mian> anders_: what advantages does vmware has?
[12:48] < anders_> d3mian: for me, I can use Linux (ROCK) for most things, when I have to use Lotus Notes, I just start WindowsNT. I experiment with OpenBSD in another session and run Debian just for IRC and experimenting with another Linux distribution..
[12:49] < d3mian> anders_: that sounds great
[12:49] < anders_> d3mian: it allows you to run several different OS's at the same time.
[12:49] < armijn> huebi: can you stop the build?
[12:49] < anders_> unfortunately, it is x86 only..
[12:49] < d3mian> anders_: i think now i dunt need vmware so
[12:49] < huebi> armijn: your ~ is mounted on fels via nfs. just su - armijn and change your password.
[12:49] < d3mian> anders_: yes, i know that, even i dunno how!
[12:50] < anders_> d3mian: vmware is not cheap though.. US$300 for the workstation license IIRC..
[12:50] < d3mian> anders_: i use AMD, is not a prob right?
[12:50] < d3mian> anders_: i have it here
[12:50] < anders_> d3mian: AMD CPU is x86 arch..
[12:50] < huebi> armijn: It's stoped now.
[12:51] < d3mian> anders_: but i didnt buy it
[12:51] < armijn> huebi: ok
[12:51] < huebi> armijn: Have fun. The Babarian now does his jog *g*
[12:51] < huebi> s/g/b/
[12:52] < armijn> hmm
[12:52] < anders_> d3mian: well, I use vmware for work, so I have bought it...
[12:52] < d3mian> anders_: sure, ic
[12:52] < armijn> huebi: is this the latest snapshot?
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[12:54] < armijn> something seems to be missing
[12:54] < d3mian> anders_: i go it from my admins, they are too stupid, they leave all in all parts
[12:55] < huebi> armijn@fels~# export CVSROOT=:ext:armijn@rocklinux.dyndns.org:/home/cvs/cvsroot; export CVS_RSH="ssh"
[12:55] < huebi> armijn@fels~# cvs co
[12:55] < armijn> huebi: heh, got no homedir...
[12:55] < armijn> root@fels:/rock-linux/arch-conf/sparc64# su - armijn
[12:55] < armijn> No directory, logging in with HOME=/
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[12:56] < armijn> fsck, gotta call HP
[12:56] < anders_> d3mian: you got the license as well? :)
[12:56] < armijn> huebi: can't the CVSROOT stuff be said by default? I will forget it
[12:56] < d3mian> anders_: is it neccesary?
[12:56] < d3mian> anders_: i got all the pack
[12:57] < d3mian> anders_: but i can get it
[12:57] < armijn> huebi: it's *not* the latest snapshot that you were building
[12:57] armijn glares at huebi
[12:57] < huebi> armijn: ~ is now ok
[12:58] < huebi> armijn: cvs co rock-1.5
[12:58] < armijn> huebi: is this the CVS version you are building? Because ./scripts/Build-Pkg and ./scripts/config.in are not correct
[12:59] < armijn> armijn@fels:~$ vi .bash_profile
[12:59] < armijn> Error: Unable to create temporary file: Permission denied.
[12:59] < armijn> ok, I will use "cat" then :)
[12:59] < anders_> d3mian: without a licence key, you will not be able to run vmware, unless you somehow got hold of a cracked version.
[13:00] < anders_> there are evaluation licenses you can get hold of from vmware.com, but they only last 30 days.
[13:00] < huebi> armijn: /tmp is now ok
[13:01] < d3mian> anders_: ohh, that''s well, i can use regedit to erase the registry entry about vmware
[13:01] < d3mian> anders_: and i can continue using it
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[13:03] < huebi> armijn: I messed it up while merging holyolli tree. I fix it later
[13:03] < armijn> ah...
[13:03] < armijn> I can also do a cvs commit, I guess...
[13:03] < armijn> so I can fix it if you like...
[13:03] < holyolli> huebi: *hmm* but why are some patches from me also lost in /dev/null?
[13:03] huebi is now very hungry.
[13:03] < armijn> huebi: go hunt!
[13:04] < d3mian> hehe
[13:04] < d3mian> brb
[13:04] < huebi> holyolli: I don't know. I leave now. cu
[13:04] < huebi> back in 30 min.
[13:04] < holyolli> cu huebi
[13:04] < armijn> holyolli: because they're not for sparc, but for the inferior alpha
[13:04] < anders_> d3mian: not sure if that works.. I think the expiry date is baked in to the license key... :-/
[13:06] < holyolli> armijn: yes, but afaik the patches have already been in the cvs - but now not more
[13:06] < armijn> ok, I gotta call HP now...
[13:08] < huebi> holyolli: can you /msg me a list with your files patched?
[13:08] < holyolli> huebi: uffz...i'll have to look...takes some time.. ;)
[13:08] < th> reicht nen 486er DX2 66MHz fuer xfree und xterms?
[13:08] < huebi> th: Jo
[13:09] < th> ich meine nicht x11 forwarding sondern lokal
[13:09] < holyolli> huebi: otherwise i can just commit them into cvs (again?)
[13:09] < huebi> holyolli: Yes. That's even better. Thank you.
[13:09] < holyolli> np
[13:09] < huebi> wech....
[13:12] < th> how much RAM and how much filesystem is mandatory for xfree?
[13:13] < anders_> th, 16MB RAM and perhaps 12MB disk..
[13:13] < anders_> th: if you strip things down to do nothing but X..
[13:14] < th> so 32MB could be enough for ramfs + ram for xserver+xterm+ssh?
[13:15] < esden> hi all
[13:15] < anders_> th: yeah.. it'll be lean, but you can do it..
[13:15] < anders_> re esden
[13:15] < holyolli> hi esden
[13:15] < esden> rere ;-)
[13:16] < esden> holyolli: good you are here
[13:16] < esden> holyolli: the missing patches ... was my fault
[13:16] < esden> sorry :-(
[13:17] < holyolli> ah
[13:17] < holyolli> np - now i know ;-)
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[13:17] < esden> I have not included the specific patches for your machine ... only the patches I needed for my box ...
[13:17] < holyolli> hi netcrow
[13:17] < netcrow> hiho
[13:17] < esden> *schaem*
[13:17] < esden> hi netti
[13:18] < holyolli> esden: *hm* can you send them to me or to the cvs? then i can make a build and upload a cdimage
[13:21] < esden> hmm ... the patches I think of are the ones that you posted to me ...
[13:22] < holyolli> maybe...
[13:23] < esden> they have not been included by huebi ... and I used only the parts of your patches that were relevant for my build ...
[13:25] < armijn> stupid KPN...
[13:26] < esden> hi armijn
[13:26] < armijn> hi esden
[13:26] < holyolli> esden: then please send them so me and i'll commit them - if nessecary - into the cvs
[13:26] < esden> holyolli: ok ...
[13:29] < armijn> holyolli: first check out the tree, am adding changes as well
[13:29] < holyolli> armijn: ack.
[13:31] < esden> holyolli: mail raus
[13:31] < holyolli> danke
[13:31] < anders_> raus = sent ?
[13:32] < armijn> yeah
[13:32] < armijn> it's german
[13:32] < anders_> armijn: I guessed.. :)
[13:32] < holyolli> anders_: raus is exactly "out"
[13:32] < armijn> for some reason the people here prefer to talk german on an international channel...
[13:32] < armijn> </rant>
[13:33] < armijn> huebi?
[13:33] < anders_> armijn: 'tis alright.. I'll just start rambling in swedish.. usually generates a heads-up.. ;-)
[13:33] < d3mian> hi netcrow
[13:33] < armijn> anders_: no swedish please :)
[13:33] < holyolli> yes
[13:33] < armijn> anders_: or else I'll start in Dutch
[13:33] < holyolli> .oO(i have there better chances than in dutch)
[13:34] < anders_> armijn: heh... easier to understand dutch than german... or about as tricky perhaps...
[13:34] < esden> I will better my selfe ... sorry armijn :-(
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[13:34] < armijn> anders_: Dutch is pretty tricky...
[13:34] < esden> s/selfe/self/
[13:34] < armijn> good, I fixed huebi's Ultra :)
[13:35] < esden> armijn: /ignore esden ?
[13:35] < anders_> armijn: dunno, I find reading it can be harder than hearing it. Dutch has similarities with lots of languages..
[13:35] < armijn> anders_: of course! We "embrace and extend" other languages
[13:35] < d3mian> umm, i remember when i came here, the #chan had around 6 or more persons, now i see 21 pers, and there are more ppl
[13:35] < d3mian> :p
[13:36] < d3mian> hi esden
[13:36] < armijn> of course, this means that lots of people actually forget about dutch culture, like literature and language and rather look somewhere else, which is a shame
[13:36] < esden> hi d3mian !
[13:37] esden will learn dutch so armijn unsets /ignore on esden ...
[13:37] < armijn> esden: ignore you?
[13:37] < armijn> esden; oh, am sorry, but I'm really tired...
[13:37] < esden> armijn: I know what you think ... "not a bad idea" ;-)
[13:37] < armijn> just getting a caffeine fix
[13:37] < esden> cd /dev/armijn
[13:38] < armijn> stay out of my /dev!
[13:38] < esden> patch -p1 < ~/caffeine.patch
[13:38] < esden> cd
[13:38] < armijn> mv caffeine /dev/mouth
[13:39] armijn pokes huebi
[13:42] < huebi> re MoeP!
[13:43] < armijn> huebi: I "fixed" your machine
[13:43] < ringo78> Nederlands moeilijk ? Valt wel mee.
[13:43] < huebi> armijn: what did you do?
[13:43] < armijn> huebi: I made some changes to /usr/include/
[13:43] < armijn> ringo78: ja, voor jou ja :)
[13:44] < armijn> huebi: I copied generate-asm to /usr/bin
[13:44] < armijn> huebi: and I copied the asm-sparc and asm-sparc64 directories to /usr/include
[13:45] < armijn> and ran generate-asm
[13:45] < armijn> huebi: that will fix the 1-util-linux error
[13:45] < huebi> ah. ok
[13:46] < armijn> ringo78: https://www.linuxmag.nl/Tux2MS/
[13:46] < huebi> armijn: hehe
[13:46] < armijn> huebi: but you must restart the build...and first check out the new CVS!
[13:47] < huebi> https://www.linuxmag.nl/Tux2MS/tux_barney.jpg <- armijn. can you get such a shirt for me?
[13:47] < armijn> huebi: no
[13:47] < huebi> :-(((
[13:48] < huebi> armijn: Where can I get one?
[13:48] < armijn> huebi: that is an exclusive skating shirt that was worn in a special promotion game with Steve Ballmer
[13:48] < armijn> there are just a couple of them...can't get them
[13:48] < armijn> I tried
[13:49] < huebi> M$ does not promote very powerfull ...
[13:49] < armijn> mwah
[13:50] < armijn> I got a .NET sweater :)
[13:50] < esden> armijn: you are a hero ;-)
[13:50] < armijn> esden: I know
[13:50] < esden> lol
[13:50] < armijn> esden: and I was supposed to wear it at a Linux conference, that was part of the deal :)
[13:50] < d3mian> :)
[13:51] anders_ ponders wether to ask Clifford to remove the ROCK-UML pages or not..
[13:51] < huebi> armijn irritats the audience with a .NET sweater while talking about ROCK Linux is the best fuck the rest...
[13:51] < holyolli> hehe
[13:51] < esden> anders_: url ?
[13:52] < anders_> esden: it's on the project pages..
[13:52] < esden> kk
[13:52] < armijn> huebi: exactly
[13:52] < huebi> armijn: That's kool fun.
[13:52] < armijn> yeah, anders should work on a s/390 port
[13:53] < anders_> I've not had *any* time to do anything about it for a looong time.. And the way work looks, I'll be hard pushed to get time to do anything before October..
[13:53] < anders_> armijn: if I had an s/390 perhaps.. :)
[13:53] < esden> anders_: ahh that thing ... I was already thinking to relive the project ...
[13:53] < armijn> esden: alpha port first!
[13:54] < anders_> esden: there was the other thing about running software in different contexts on the same machine, effectively removing overhead completely...
[13:54] < esden> armijn: I know I know ... *nearly_cry*
[13:54] < holyolli> warrkks...userfriendly on dutch.. =)
[13:55] < armijn> holyolli: on the LinuxMag page? Yeah, it's a crappy translation as well!
[13:55] < armijn> fsck, gotta go
[13:55] < holyolli> hehe
[13:55] < armijn> I'll be back in an hour or so
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[13:55] < esden> hmm ... and there he gone ...
[13:55] < anders_> the first thing I will do when I get time, is build ROCK 1.6.0...
[13:55] < esden> so we can switch to german ;-)))
[13:56] < anders_> Then I have to test it, migrate to it, customise it and then perhaps I get time to do the UML thing..
[13:56] < huebi> anders_: Rock 1.6.0 will be ready in the next weeks.. I did not yet finish the time schedule.
[13:56] < huebi> esden: LANG=aafricans
[13:56] < huebi> hehe
[13:56] < anders_> huebi: no hurry.. I have to get ADSL, new 40GB 2.5" disk for the laptop, a build box and some networking gear first... :)
[13:57] < esden> huebi: *gg*
[13:57] < anders_> LANG=C
[13:58] < d3mian> boolean online = false;
[13:58] < d3mian> cu guys
[13:58] < d3mian> :)
[13:58] < huebi> cu d3mian
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[14:14] < snyke> huihui
[14:14] < holyolli> hi snyke
[14:15] < snyke> man...
[14:15] < snyke> im IRCnet isses nur noch pervers...
[14:15] < snyke> das bricht im moment grade zusammen
[14:16] < snyke> hm *reconstruct*
[14:18] < snyke> jetz passts wieder :)
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[14:26] < esden> snyke: export LANG=en_EN
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[14:28] < snyke> what?
[14:28] < snyke> ah
[14:28] < snyke> ok
[14:28] < snyke> hi l_9_l
[14:28] < l_9_l> hi snyke..
[14:29] < esden> hi l_9_l
[14:29] < l_9_l> hi to everyone :)
[14:29] < l_9_l> how's the development of rock?
[14:29] < l_9_l> seems idle!
[14:30] < huebi> l_9_l: Why?
[14:30] < esden> l_9_l: idle ? I would not call it so ...
[14:30] < l_9_l> hang on..i didn't check the website for long time..may there's something new.. :)
[14:31] < esden> l_9_l: so check the website ;-)
[14:31] < clifford> AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGG!
[14:31] < huebi> clifford: ??
[14:31] < esden> clifford: ???
[14:31] < anders_> clifford: ?
[14:31] < th> clifford: ?
[14:31] < clifford> I;m having a cluster problem here ...
[14:31] < d3m|away> clifford ??
[14:31] < clifford> Look at this:
[14:32] < clifford> ----+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
[14:32] < clifford> 141 | ...:.. |
[14:32] < clifford> | .:::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> P | ::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> a | ::::::::::::.. |
[14:32] < clifford> r | :::::::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> a | ::::::::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> l | :::::::::::::::::: |
[14:32] < clifford> l | :::::::::::::::::::. ..::. |
[14:32] < clifford> e | :::::::::::::::::::::. .:::::::.:. |
[14:32] < clifford> l | ::::::::::::::::::::::. :::::::::::: |
[14:32] < clifford> | ::::::::::::::::::::::::. ::::::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> J | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::. :::::::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> o | :::::::::::::::::::::::::::. ::::::::::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> b | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: :::::::::::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> s | .::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. ::::::::::::::::::::: |
[14:32] < clifford> | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. .::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[14:32] < clifford> 1 |...::.:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::.|
[14:32] < clifford> ----+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
[14:32] < clifford> | 1 Number of Jobs build so far 424 |
[14:32] < th> cheater
[14:32] < th> ;)
[14:32] < l_9_l> i was wrong.. :)
[14:32] < esden> hmm .. that is not looking good
[14:32] < esden> bad balancing clifford ...
[14:33] < clifford> it waits with building XFree86 until everything else is build. so all packages depending on x11 are waiting for it ..
[14:33] < clifford> for some reason XFree86 depends on 'strace'. And since it's the only package which depends on strace, strace has a very low priority.
[14:34] < anders_> perhaps you need a way to up the priority of a package in the ext-file ?
[14:34] < clifford> So now i have to implement a much smarted Create-PkgQueue which detecs thos indirect dependencies.
[14:34] < esden> clifford: so you should manuall increase the priority
[14:34] < clifford> anders_: no that would be a very ugly hack - especially since there are no ext files in 1.7 ..
[14:35] < esden> hmm ok ...
[14:35] < clifford> esden: no. I have to fix the prioriti creation.
[14:35] < esden> clifford: kk ... ack
[14:35] < clifford> it only is taking care of "direct dependencies".
[14:35] < anders_> humma.. perhaps an algorithm that detects the package queue behind a package?
[14:35] < esden> anders_: that are the indirect dependances
[14:36] < anders_> or am I being painfully obvious here?
[14:36] < anders_> *blush*
[14:36] < esden> *gg*
[14:36] < anders_> I'll shut up now shall I..
[14:36] < clifford> anders_: yes - that's what I;m now working on - but I was hoping to finish the cluster stuff for now after writing the tool for simulation the cluster load (the one which created the output above).
[14:36] < anders_> ah..
[14:37] < anders_> so how much work do you reckon it is to work out the indirect deps?
[14:37] < clifford> as more as I work as longer get's my todo list ...
[14:37] < esden> clifford: cool ... is this included in the next snap ?
[14:37] < clifford> esden: sure.
[14:38] < esden> clifford: that is always like this ... my todo is also growing geometrically ...
[14:38] < huebi> clifford: implement something like PVM over MOSIX. PVM starts the jobs on dedicated clusternodes and MOSIX arages the load balancing. Get the packages into several package sets for compiling. Now Just start the package sets and let them themself organise
[14:38] < clifford> anders_: the problem is that the current Create-PkgQueue script is already very slow because it has to read 600 cache files whenever a package build compleated.
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[14:38] < armijn> re
[14:38] armijn calling HP now
[14:38] < esden> re anders_
[14:38] < esden> I mean armijn
[14:39] < esden> ;-)
[14:39] < huebi> clifford: I did that with ~3500 jobs in ~70 job sets for the money transfer of the BNP Paribas.
[14:39] < esden> clifford: is in inpossible to do it only once ?
[14:39] < clifford> huebi: that's not the problem. The the problem is that it doesn't create jobs because many packages depends on XFree86, Xfree86 depends on starce, and nothing else than XFree86 depends on strace.
[14:40] < armijn> unbelievable
[14:40] < armijn> phone is broken
[14:40] < rxr> re
[14:40] < anders_> clifford: what is the script written in ?
[14:40] < huebi> make strace earlier, perhaps forced?
[14:41] < clifford> So strace has a priority of 1 (which is pretty low). Every package which can be built will be built (with up to 141 parallel build jobs until onlyu strace is left).
[14:41] < esden> huebi: we already had the idea but clifford says that it is ugly
[14:41] < huebi> esden: Doesn't matter if it does not work.
[14:41] < clifford> huebi: no. the build order is automatically detected. the detection must be extended so it hournors indirect dependencies.
[14:42] < huebi> clifford: That sounds very complicate.
[14:42] < clifford> XFree86 is just the one big problem which can be seen in the stat. Im sure there are also some other stuff which can be optimized.
[14:42] < armijn> will try phone booth now
[14:42] < armijn> brb
[14:42] < huebi> And not easy to understand for the users.
[14:43] < clifford> huebi: no - it's very easy. but it's slow - this is the problem.
[14:43] < huebi> hmmm
[14:43] < clifford> Whenever a package has been built, the Create-PkgQueue script is running and detects which packages can be built next.
[14:44] < anders_> is the script written in perl ?
[14:45] < clifford> (but the good think is that besides this it parallelises very good - I don't think that anyone is going to build ROCK Linux on a cluster with > 100 nodes in the near future ..
[14:45] < clifford> anders_: no - in gawk.
[14:45] < anders_> clifford: perl would perhaps speed up the script a bit..
[14:45] < clifford> (that's more portable - and protabitility is very importand in this case)
[14:45] < anders_> ah.. :)
[14:46] < rxr> ssh sucks
[14:46] < huebi> rxr: use rsh
[14:46] < clifford> anders_: no - perl is as fast a gawk. The problem is that I need to read _all_ cache files on every run ..
[14:46] < rxr> huebi: hehe
[14:46] < huebi> clifford: can you cache the cache files?
[14:47] < anders_> clifford: can it not amalgamate the result of each run and only read the new logs?
[14:47] < clifford> huebi: sure. But I dont want a Puzzle thing again.
[14:47] < armijn> puzzle!
[14:47] < huebi> clifford: only internal and temporary
[14:47] < armijn> clifford: I was thinking...
[14:48] < armijn> can't we use a sort of "configure" style thing?
[14:48] < clifford> huebi: in my expirience - nothing is "only internal and temporary" ..
[14:48] < clifford> armijn: what do you mean?
[14:49] < armijn> clifford: I'm not sure
[14:49] < armijn> but that you can run ./configure with a few options, that checks if your system is sane
[14:49] < esden> clifford: I will build on 17 node cluster ... probably next weekend or so ..
[14:49] < armijn> we don't have to use autoconf of course
[14:49] < armijn> just the autoconf m4 macros
[14:50] < rxr> Doing challenge response authentication.
[14:50] < rxr> debug1: No challenge.
[14:50] < clifford> armijn: I still don't know what you are talking about. We have package dependencies which can be used to determinate that a package can be built - and that works great.
[14:51] < rxr> does this mean the server doesn't know about my public key on it ?
[14:51] < armijn> clifford: I also don't know what I mean...yet
[14:51] < clifford> armijn: aha. :-)
[14:51] < armijn> clifford: but maybe to set up the "stage 0"
[14:51] < armijn> talked to HP guy btw, he will call me back'
[14:51] < clifford> armijn: which problem are you trying to solve???
[14:52] < armijn> clifford: my "free time" problem
[14:52] < clifford> hae?
[14:52] anders_ have to reboot.. biab.
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[14:53] < armijn> clifford: yeah...I know, it's pathetic
[14:53] < armijn> clifford: I've got time to *sleep*
[14:55] < clifford> ok - I think i will create a scripts/dep_db.txt file with the pre-processed dependencies data.
[14:55] < armijn> got choice between a few machines
[14:56] < armijn> one in the pa-8600 range, the other in the pa-8700 range...
[14:57] armijn checking debian page
[14:57] < clifford> ok - I'm /away again (implementing dep_db.txt ... :-)
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[14:59] < esden> hmm I will have to cleanup my harddisk .. I have 11G used only by rocklinux iso's
[15:00] < snyke> esden: will praenti be in bitz today?
[15:00] < esden> snyke: dunno
[15:00] < snyke> hm
[15:00] < snyke> when will he be again?
[15:01] < snyke> today you know poseidon will go down
[15:01] < snyke> 4h
[15:01] < esden> I know ...
[15:01] < armijn> ok, I'm off again
[15:01] < armijn> later
[15:01] < esden> I dont know when he will be here ... I am not his mother ;-)
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[15:05] < snyke> hehe
[15:26] < snyke> killall sim
[15:32] < esden> cu all
[15:32] esden going home
[15:32] < huebi> cu esden
[15:37] < snyke> cu esdi
[15:38] < huebi> Sparc Build restarted...
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[15:50] < anders_> *frustration*
[15:50] < anders_> re
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[15:50] < tsa> hi
[15:51] < th> esden: was hast du mit dietlibc eigentlich getan?
[15:55] < huebi> th: kaputt!!
[15:55] < huebi> hi th
[15:55] < th> hehe
[15:56] < th> ich wollt grad mal ne mini-boot/root-disk bauen
[15:56] < anders_> LANG
[15:56] < huebi> anders_: ACK
[15:56] < anders_> SYN
[15:56] < anders_> :)
[15:57] < huebi> kaputt <- jidish ;-)
[15:57] < anders_> heh
[15:58] < anders_> I have *limited* understanding of german, and some words are similar to swedish words, so I can guess...
[15:58] < tsa> syn-ack
[15:58] < huebi> :-))
[15:59] < tsa> hm...half-open connection
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[16:05] < snyke> bin ma wieder wech
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[16:08] < tomik> hello
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[16:14] < armijn> re
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[16:20] < huebi> hiar
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[16:20] < huebi> hi armijn
[16:20] < armijn> hi huebi
[16:21] < huebi> == 15:55:07 05/08/02 =[1]=> Aborted building package util-linux.
[16:21] < armijn> so, what did you do this time?
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[16:21] < armijn> did you check out the new CVS?
[16:22] < huebi> armijn: yes
[16:22] < armijn> k
[16:23] < armijn> checking it
[16:23] < huebi> ok
[16:23] < armijn> ganz geil!
[16:23] < huebi> hehe
[16:23] < th> esden: hast du ahnung obs irgendwo ne kleine anleitung gibt, wie ich mount mit diet builde?
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[16:24] < armijn> huebi: rerun ./scripts/Config
[16:24] < huebi> armijn: ok
[16:24] < clifford> ok.. *floodingalert*
[16:24] < clifford> ----+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
[16:24] < clifford> 181 | ::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> | .:::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> P | .:::::::::::::: |
[16:24] < clifford> a | .::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> r | :::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> a | ..::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < armijn> huebi: wait, i'm doing it
[16:24] < clifford> l | . .. ...:::::::::::::::::::::::::::: |
[16:24] < clifford> l | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> e | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> l | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> | .:::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::: |
[16:24] < huebi> ok
[16:24] < clifford> J | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> o | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> b | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> s | ::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < armijn> huebi: you can do it now...
[16:24] < clifford> | :.::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::. |
[16:24] < clifford> 1 |...::..::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::.|
[16:24] < clifford> ----+----------------------------------------------------------------------+
[16:25] < clifford> | 1 Number of Jobs build so far 424 |
[16:25] < clifford> that now looks much better ..
[16:25] armijn messing up clifford's ASCII art
[16:25] < huebi> armijn: ok i do now
[16:25] < armijn> huebi: and set it to UltraSparc
[16:25] < tsa> clifford: hm....
[16:25] < huebi> armijn: and v8?
[16:25] < clifford> tsa: yes?
[16:27] < armijn> huebi: doesn't matter, they're not used right now
[16:27] < armijn> huebi: but yes, v8
[16:27] < clifford> tsa: yes?
[16:27] < huebi> armijn: ack
[16:28] < armijn> huebi: and rebuild *all*
[16:28] < armijn> :)
[16:29] < armijn> just to be sure
[16:29] < huebi> rm -rf dist?
[16:30] < armijn> yeah
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[16:30] < armijn> or ./scripts/Cleanup :)
[16:30] < huebi> *aua*
[16:30] < armijn> :)
[16:31] < tsa> clifford: what does this tree output mean to us?
[16:31] < armijn> clifford: I will start working on PA-RISC port soon
[16:32] < tsa> parallel build of 1.7?
[16:32] < clifford> tsa: yes.
[16:32] < tsa> ah..ok
[16:32] < clifford> It will scale pretty good on clusters with up to 100 nodes....
[16:33] < clifford> All we need now uis such a cluster ... :-)
[16:33] < armijn> heh
[16:33] < armijn> an s/390 with virtual machines?
[16:34] < huebi> anders_: Huhu, we need a few s390. Please ask your boss ;-)))
[16:34] < clifford> armijn: no. on an s/390 you would assign just all available to the vm guest which linux is running on and make a 'normal' parallel build. No need to make a kind of 'virtual clustering' on this hardware ..
[16:34] < tsa> hehe
[16:34] < armijn> "a few'
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[16:35] < clifford> however - s/390 has great i/o trhoughtput - but it's not the best hardware for calculations (and building ROCK Linux :-)
[16:36] < anders_> huebi: hehehe
[16:36] < huebi> Sparc Build restarted...
[16:37] < anders_> huebi: if I only could get my hands on a p690 instead...
[16:38] < armijn> huebi: how long does glibc take?
[16:38] < armijn> huebi: how much mem?
[16:39] < huebi> There has been a company, long, long time ago, they offered in a tv ad a ~100 node alpha cluster in a van. With remote controll. IIRC they were called Compaq. But that has been a long tine age when this conpany existed. ;-)))
[16:40] < huebi> armijn: glibc 2h40, 640MB
[16:40] < tsa> huebi: hehe
[16:42] < huebi> > make[1]: sparc64-linux-gcc: Command not found
[16:42] < armijn> huebi: ?
[16:42] < armijn> aah
[16:42] < huebi> == 16:37:20 05/08/02 =[1]=> Aborted building package linux.
[16:42] < armijn> ok
[16:42] < huebi> I stoped it
[16:42] < armijn> huebi: ok, stop the build
[16:42] < armijn> huebi: ok, you first need egcs64 installed on your system
[16:42] < huebi> <- faster than light ;-)))
[16:43] < huebi> armijn: How do I get this done?
[16:43] < armijn> huebi: simple :)
[16:43] < huebi> root@fels:/rock-linux# simple
[16:43] < huebi> bash: simple: command not found
[16:43] < tsa> lol ;)
[16:43] < armijn> huebi: unpack /rock-linux/base-archive/egcs64*
[16:44] < huebi> armijn: ok
[16:44] < armijn> huebi: patch it with /rock-linux/base-config/egcs64/*.patch
[16:44] < huebi> unpack in / ?
[16:44] < armijn> huebi: ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --target=sparc64-linux
[16:44] < armijn> I would take /tmp or so
[16:45] < armijn> to keep it a bit cleaner
[16:45] < huebi> armijn: ok ACK
[16:46] < armijn> huebi: don't forget to apply the patches
[16:46] < armijn> and setting the prefix to /usr/local is necessary
[16:47] < armijn> the default is /usr/bin and then it will overwrite the normal gcc, which you don't want to do
[16:47] < huebi> armijn: fully ACK
[16:47] < huebi> :-)
[16:47] < armijn> huebi: you did apply the patches?
[16:48] < huebi> armijn: of course I did. You said that often enough
[16:48] < huebi> :-))
[16:48] < armijn> huebi: well, you can never say it often enough :))
[16:49] < huebi> flood:
[16:49] < huebi> root@fels:/tmp/egcs64-19980921.1# ./configure --prefix=/usr/local --target=sparc64-linux
[16:49] < huebi> Configuring for a sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu host.
[16:49] < huebi> grep: /tmp/egcs64-19980921.1/libstdc++/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
[16:49] < huebi> grep: /tmp/egcs64-19980921.1/gcc/cp/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
[16:49] < huebi> Created "Makefile" in /tmp/egcs64-19980921.1 using "mt-frag"
[16:49] < huebi> grep: ./../libstdc++/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
[16:49] < huebi> grep: ./../gcc/cp/Makefile.in: No such file or directory
[16:49] < huebi> Links are now set up to build a native compiler for sparc64-unknown-linux-gnu
[16:49] < armijn> huebi: looks good
[16:49] < huebi> armijn: kool
[16:49] < armijn> those "errors" are normal
[16:51] < tsa> hm...interesting.
[16:52] < huebi> make is running
[16:52] < armijn> interesting?
[16:54] < armijn> tsa: what's interesting?
[16:55] < huebi> armijn: www.xxx.com
[16:55] < huebi> hehe
[16:56] < armijn> hmm
[16:57] < anders_> has anyone done an mc68k port of ROCK?
[16:57] < armijn> you mean Mac68k?
[16:57] < armijn> or just motorola?
[16:57] < anders_> just motorola..
[16:57] < armijn> no :)
[16:58] < armijn> old Macintosh machines are a *bitch*
[16:58] < armijn> there's not even floppy drive support in the kernel
[16:58] anders_ might get hold of an A1200 with an 68040 or 68060 power-up board...
[16:58] < armijn> a1200?
[16:58] < anders_> Amiga..
[16:58] < armijn> ah, they're supported fairly well, I think
[16:58] < armijn> but *very* slow
[16:59] < anders_> there is also the PPC604e PowerUp cards for them..
[16:59] < armijn> I will have a PA-RISC machine soon (on loan) to port on
[16:59] < armijn> also need to do Alpha and MIPS
[17:00] < armijn> and do a lot of cleaning up for UltraSparc
[17:00] < anders_> I just want a reasonably cheap PPC box to play around with.. And with the Amiga I could get that as well as PPC..
[17:00] < anders_> err, as well as MC680x0..
[17:01] < armijn> hmm...amiga ppc?
[17:01] < anders_> yeah..
[17:01] armijn ./scripts/Puzzled
[17:01] < anders_> hehehehe
[17:01] < tsa> hehe
[17:02] < anders_> there are accelerator cards for them with PPC processors..
[17:02] < armijn> ah
[17:02] < huebi> anders_: The 68040 is on the SmartRAID IV controller in download.rocklinux.de
[17:02] < armijn> yeah, run ROCK on your raid controller
[17:03] < tsa> lol
[17:03] < tsa> nice idea.
[17:03] < huebi> armijn: *LOL*
[17:03] < armijn> clustering with raid controllers
[17:04] < tsa> what about pocket calculators? ;)
[17:04] huebi dreams about the IBM Linux watch
[17:04] < armijn> wet dreams?
[17:04] < huebi> lol
[17:05] < huebi> armijn: no
[17:05] < huebi> booting vi...
[17:05] < tsa> better not..perhaps the watch isn't water resitant..
[17:05] < tsa> ;)
[17:05] < tsa> +s
[17:06] < armijn> huebi: how much memory in the u5?
[17:07] < huebi> 640MB
[17:07] < armijn> pfew
[17:07] < armijn> that's...ehr...nice
[17:07] < armijn> so, why is it still building...
[17:07] < tsa> hehe..nice and pretty expensive..
[17:08] < huebi> armijn: 270MHZ UltraIIi
[17:08] < armijn> ah, xgcc has been built...
[17:08] < huebi> ready
[17:09] < anders_> https://www.debian.org/ports/powerpc/inst/apus
[17:09] < huebi> brb
[17:09] < armijn> it's done?
[17:09] < armijn> great!
[17:09] < armijn> huebi: make; make install
[17:12] < armijn> heh
[17:12] < tsa> hm...whats the difference between u30 and a60? anyone?
[17:12] < tsa> u60 even
[17:13] < tsa> both are dual afaik
[17:13] < armijn> huebi: there already was egcs64, but in /opt/egcs64/bin and it wasn't called sparc64-linux-gcc
[17:13] < armijn> dunno, I don't think so
[17:13] < armijn> www.sun.com?
[17:15] < armijn> https://www.sun.com/desktop/products/ultra60/
[17:16] < armijn> https://www.sun.com/desktop/products/ultra30/
[17:16] < armijn> ultra30 is one CPU
[17:16] < armijn> not dual
[17:17] < tsa> ah..ok
[17:19] < tsa> ok...i'm gone...cu later.
[17:20] < tsa> bbl.
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[17:20] < huebi> ree
[17:22] < huebi> make install
[17:22] < huebi> Build restarted
[17:23] < armijn> kewl
[17:25] < armijn> building quite fast...
[17:28] < huebi> I'll see if I can get rock on the U30 tonight. But I still have to do some work on the homepage.
[17:29] < huebi> /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/1-linux.out -> 1-linux.log
[17:29] < huebi> == 17:26:25 05/08/02 =[1]=> Finished building package linux.
[17:29] < huebi> == 17:26:26 =[1]=> Building base package glibc [2.2.5 1.5.14_2002-05-08_16h35].
[17:29] < huebi> :-)
[17:29] < armijn> hmm...
[17:29] < armijn> wait a minute
[17:29] < armijn> I was tailing the file
[17:29] < armijn> something went wrong there
[17:30] < armijn> huebi: cancel the build
[17:30] < armijn> it went wrong
[17:30] < huebi> ok
[17:30] < armijn> linux.conf is fucked up in CVS
[17:31] < armijn> yup, it's fucked up...definitely
[17:31] < armijn> it's the old one...
[17:32] < huebi> shit something went really wrong.
[17:32] < armijn> so it seems :)
[17:32] < armijn> well, most of it is actually ok
[17:32] < armijn> just the kernel
[17:33] < huebi> jupp. I got it
[17:33] < armijn> ----------------------------
[17:33] < armijn> revision 1.7
[17:33] < armijn> date: 2002/05/05 14:54:13; author: huebi; state: Exp; lines: +0 -21
[17:33] < armijn> hollyolli's alpha patches
[17:33] < armijn> ----------------------------
[17:33] < armijn> revision 1.6
[17:33] < armijn> date: 2002/05/02 09:28:04; author: huebi; state: Exp; lines: +21 -0
[17:33] < armijn> more files from Armijn's Sparc Patches
[17:33] < armijn> ----------------------------
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[17:33] < armijn> that explains it
[17:33] < armijn> holyolli did it!
[17:34] < huebi> Yes
[17:34] < huebi> We don't work on branches. That's the reason.
[17:34] < armijn> no, it's the maintainer's fault >:->
[17:35] < huebi> and I did not have a good look at the changes.
[17:35] < huebi> I' ll do it more carefull in the future
[17:35] < armijn> yeah, and apply my patches :)
[17:36] < huebi> armijn: I applied them.
[17:36] < armijn> yeah, but you'll have to do it again :)
[17:36] < huebi> but I also removed them too.
[17:37] < armijn> I think you *might* have removed esden's stuff as well
[17:37] < huebi> armijn: I have to control that
[17:37] < armijn> 002-05-05 16:54 huebi
[17:37] < armijn> * arch-conf/alpha/kernel-disable.lst, base-config/alsa/alsa.conf,
[17:37] < armijn> base-config/binutils/binutils.pz,
[17:37] < armijn> base-config/install-disks/install-disks.conf,
[17:37] < armijn> base-config/libsafe/libsafe.conf, base-config/linux/linux.conf,
[17:37] < armijn> base-config/xfree86/xfree86.conf, base-config/xfree86/xfree86.pz,
[17:37] < armijn> scripts/Build-All, scripts/Build-Pkg, scripts/Build-Stage,
[17:37] < armijn> scripts/Puzzle, scripts/config.in, scripts/packages,
[17:37] < armijn> scripts/parse-config: hollyolli's alpha patches
[17:37] < armijn> 2002-05-05 01:40 huebi
[17:37] < armijn> * scripts/: Build-All, Build-Pkg, Build-Stage, config.in:
[17:37] < armijn> modifikations by esden for rock-lcd and build rock-debug is now an
[17:37] < armijn> option
[17:37] < armijn> there are some clashes there...
[17:37] < armijn> unless holyolli used the latest CVS snapshot
[17:38] armijn digging through ChangeLog
[17:39] < armijn> nope, just fixing linux.conf should help
[17:39] < huebi> ok
[17:45] < huebi> rm -rf build.out dist lib src tars
[17:46] < armijn> not ./scripts/Cleanup?
[17:47] < huebi> armijn: I better like the rm. Cleanup is dangerous.
[17:48] < armijn> hehe
[17:48] < armijn> but it works!
[17:48] < huebi> too often.
[17:48] < armijn> and thorough
[17:49] < armijn> cleans better than an average housewife
[17:49] < armijn> and it sucks harder than a vacuum cleaner
[17:49] < huebi> *LoooL*
[17:50] < armijn> ehr
[17:50] < armijn> something went wrong
[17:52] < huebi> #!/bin/sh
[17:52] < huebi> #
[17:52] < huebi> # Cleanup restores the environment,
[17:52] < huebi> # cleans better than an average housewife
[17:52] < huebi> # and it sucks harder than a vacuum cleaner
[17:52] < huebi> # Comment from Armijn Hemel
[17:53] < armijn> huebi: no execute permission for ./misc/generate-asm
[17:53] < armijn> :((
[17:53] < huebi> armijn: Ah thak you
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[17:53] < armijn> huebi: you will have to adapt that in CVS as well
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[17:54] < huebi> armijn: I had a problem with file permissions in cvs.
[17:55] < armijn> hmm
[17:55] < huebi> Now I found a solution.
[17:55] < armijn> https://cvsbook.red-bean.com/
[17:58] < armijn> huebi: ah well
[17:58] < armijn> gotta go now...
[17:58] < armijn> dinner first, then pub :))
[17:58] < huebi> armijn: have fun
[17:59] < huebi> I'll go in a few minutes, too.
[17:59] < armijn> blacklist of computer games in .de
[17:59] < huebi> -r-xr-xr-x 1 huebi cvs 1535 May 5 16:51 generate-asm,v
[18:01] < huebi> armijn: They are a little bit crazy here.
[18:01] < armijn> I know
[18:01] < armijn> well, what about here...
[18:01] < armijn> with politicians who get shot...
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[18:02] < huebi> build restarted
[18:02] < huebi> hi tomik
[18:02] < tomik> hello
[18:02] < armijn> huebi: great
[18:02] < armijn> huebi: I will check it on Monday :))
[18:02] armijn gone
[18:02] < huebi> armijn: Really crazy are the people in Israel
[18:02] < huebi> by armijn
[18:02] < armijn> huebi: no comment :)
[18:02] armijn gone
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[18:03] < huebi> ;-)
[18:03] -!- praenti|away is now known as praenti
[18:03] < praenti> re
[18:03] < huebi> hi praenti
[18:04] < huebi> CU later. I change my place now.
[18:04] < praenti> huebi: you get this error because the fucking developer of libxslt has excluded something what kdelibs need
[18:05] < praenti> huebi: but i must see. what it is exactly. cu later
[18:05] < huebi> praenti: ok. Perhaps rxr knows something about it.
[18:05] < huebi> rxr: ??
[18:05] < huebi> bye
[18:07] < rxr> jups
[18:08] < rxr> praenti: which tree are you building?
[18:09] < praenti> rxr: 1.5.14 on U5. It is not my build. Huebi gets this error.
[18:10] < praenti> rxr: libxslt version 1.0.15
[18:10] < praenti> but i see at the moment that i can update the version
[18:11] < praenti> perhaps a newer version makes the kdebuild better
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[18:14] < rxr> 2.4.20 builds
[18:15] < rxr> praenti: maybe comatebility sym-linking in libxml (version1) is the problem=
[18:15] < rxr> I removed s.th. slimiar in 1.7 ...
[18:15] < SMP> 2.4.20? what package? ;)
[18:15] < rxr> KDE-3.0.0 builds with libxml2-2.4.20 ...
[18:16] < SMP> ahh
[18:17] < praenti> rxr: i will check the libxml2 version too
[18:17] < rxr> you could also check for a bogus sym-link in libxml (version1), too
[18:18] < praenti> rxr: version of libxml2 is ok
[18:27] < rxr> praenti: the stuff in the query is what you get when libxml-1 headers are included
[18:27] < rxr> remove the blabla/libxml-1.0 -> ../libxml symlink from the libxml package ...
[18:31] < praenti> rxr: you mean the libxml -> gnome-xml symlink?
[18:31] < praenti> in /usr/include?
[18:33] < rxr> postmake="cd /usr/include ; rm -rf libxml ; ln -sf gnome-xml libxml"
[18:33] < rxr> this one is evil
[18:33] < rxr> hm - huebis cvs-web is strange ...
[18:34] < anders_> riiiight.. time to go home for the day.. ~~~
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[18:34] < praenti> rxr: ok. i make a # before the line
[18:34] < rxr> cu anders_ ;-)!
[18:34] < rxr> it also does not exist in 1.7 and dRock ...
[18:40] < praenti> huebi: try the compile now. if it is not working either i will change the libxslt version
[18:41] < rxr> praenti: have you also removed the link the libxslt package has already created in the dist-tree?
[18:43] < praenti> huebi: ^------------------------------------------------------^
[18:44] < praenti> rxr: i can start a build in a few days. i dont have build the new yet
[18:48] < th> where does the kernel look for init?
[18:49] < rxr> sbin ?
[18:50] < rxr> you can also specify one via init=/bin/bash ;-)
[18:50] < th> but only when using a boot-loader
[18:50] < th> i just copied kernel + root-fs to a disc
[18:50] < th> it just reaches "freeing unused kernel memory"
[18:50] < th> root-fs is found and mounted
[18:51] < rxr> th: yes off course ... - but you could hardcode the params into the kernel ...
[18:51] < rxr> shouldn't the kernel panic if no init is found=
[18:51] < th> that's what i do not know
[18:51] < th> i know that the rootfs has been mounted
[18:52] < th> and there it stops
[18:52] < th> /etc/inittab exists in rootfs and even /sbin and /bin have init
[18:52] < th> (busybox init)
[18:52] < th> id:2:initdefault:
[18:52] < th> si::sysinit:/etc/rc
[18:52] < th> 1:2345:respawn:/sbin/fgetty /dev/tty1 --noclear
[18:52] < th> 2:23:respawn:/sbin/fgetty /dev/tty2
[18:54] < th> any ideas?
[18:55] < rxr> i do not know the busybox init ...
[18:56] < esden> re hi all
[19:01] < praenti> hi esden. is anybody into bitz?
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[19:07] < bluefire> re
[19:08] < praenti> re bluefire
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[19:18] rxr kurz unterwegs
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[19:24] < tsa> re
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[19:28] < holyolli> re
[19:28] < tsa> tag.
[19:28] < holyolli> tach tsa
[19:28] < tsa> wie wars @work?
[19:28] < holyolli> :-P
[19:28] < holyolli> wie wars mit vergessenem fon?
[19:29] < tsa> nix fon vergessen.
[19:29] < holyolli> aha...nicht drangegangen?
[19:29] < holyolli> <-- wollte dich ja noch anrufen...aber keiner hat abgenommen.
[19:29] < tsa> ich arbeiten, ich nix immer neben fon.
[19:29] < tsa> war grad unterwegs irgendwo.
[19:29] < tsa> und nix rufnummer uebertragen..sonst haett ich schon zurueckgerufen..
[19:29] < holyolli> soso.. so dolle arbeite, dasse sogar fon nicht hörst...
[19:30] < holyolli> sei ehrlich...du warst auf /dev/frau und wolltest nicht fonen ;)
[19:30] < tsa> nein.
[19:30] < tsa> wir haben heute rudelbumsen im serverraum gemacht.
[19:30] < tsa> :-P
[19:30] < holyolli> mist..
[19:30] < holyolli> ...und ich war nicht da
[19:30] < tsa> hehe
[19:30] < holyolli> ;-)
[19:31] < th> even sh as busybox just hangs...
[19:31] bluefire .oO(Doh! wo bin ich hier nur gelandet?)
[19:31] < th> kernel does "execve("/bin/sh",argv_init,envp_init);" and nothing happens
[19:31] < holyolli> bluefire: och...schau einfach nicht hin ;-)
[19:32] < th> what am i missing?
[19:32] bluefire guckt angestrengt weg...
[19:33] < tsa> hehe
[19:33] praenti beim essen
[19:34] < th> ich merk schon ihr habt alle keine ahnung ;)
[19:35] < tsa> th: 1. mein kernel hier tut, was er soll 2.) ich hab wohl den kontext dazu verpasst..
[19:36] < tsa> kernel auf x86?
[19:36] < th> ja
[19:36] < th> boot/root diskette
[19:36] < tsa> und warum ueberhaupt /bin/sh - der sollte sich /sbin/init vornehmen..
[19:36] < tsa> aah
[19:36] < th> also einen ganz kleinen 2.2.20er gebaut
[19:36] < th> ein rootfs (ext2) gebaut
[19:37] < th> und per dd auf diskette gepackt
[19:37] < th> kernel wird geladen. rootfs wird gemounted
[19:37] < th> aber ich kann weder /bin/sh noch /sbin/init ausfuehren (beides busybox)
[19:38] < tsa> hm...
[19:38] < th> hab schon ein paar printk's in den kernel eingebaut daher bin ich sicher dass er genau beim exec von /bin/sh haengen bleibt
[19:38] < tsa> sagt der kernel irgendwas, oder haengt der einfach fest?
[19:38] < th> er haengt nur.
[19:38] < clifford> th: kann der kernel /dev/console oeffnen (d.h. hast du im kernel dvfs mit autmoount und /dev directory bzw. ein dev filesystem auf dem root fs)?
[19:38] < th> clifford: if (open("/dev/console", O_RDWR, 0) < 0)
[19:38] < th> das war erfolgreich
[19:38] < th> sonst waere printk("Warning: unable to open an initial console.\n");
[19:38] < th> gekommen
[19:38] < th> kein devfs sondern /dev auf rootfs
[19:39] < th> koennten da noch mehr devices fehlen?
[19:39] < clifford> th: un die major/minor nummern von /dev/console stimmen?
[19:39] < th> /dev/ram0 / ext2 defaults
[19:39] < th> none /proc proc defaults
[19:39] < th> das is die fstab
[19:39] < th> crw------- 1 root tty 5, 1 Jan 6 14:45 dev/console
[19:39] < tsa> /dev/vc/* ?
[19:39] < holyolli> vieleicht mal mit ner statisch gelinkten shell probieren?
[19:39] < th> holyolli: die busybox ist statisch gelinkt
[19:40] < holyolli> ah
[19:40] < clifford> th: en chroot in dein root fs auf deinem develhost kannst du machen?
[19:40] < th> tsa: /dev/vc/ is doch nur /dev/tty[0-2] und die sind da
[19:40] < th> clifford: ja
[19:40] < th> chroot root-dir/ /bin/sh
[19:41] < th> dann krieg ich die busybox sh
[19:41] < tsa> hm....d.h. das system scheint einigermassen ok zu sein
[19:41] < th> vllt fehlt ja auch was im kernel
[19:41] < tsa> ramdisk support? ;-)
[19:42] < th> <*> RAM disk support
[19:43] < th> brauch ich "Sysctl support"?
[19:44] < clifford> nicht zum booten und starten des init progs.
[19:44] < th> dacht ich ja auch
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[19:44] < rxr> re
[19:44] < th> "<M> Loopback device support" aber das muesste auch egal sein
[19:44] < th> [*] Initial RAM disk (initrd) support
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[19:45] < tsa> hast du eine default-size fuer die ramdisk angegeben?
[19:45] < th> 4k
[19:45] < th> (4096) Default RAM disk size
[19:47] < tsa> benoetigte filesysteme alle?
[19:47] < th> [ ] Unix98 PTY support
[19:47] < th> hmmm
[19:47] < th> tsa: ja. ext2. das rootfs wurde ja auch erfolgreich gemounted
[19:47] < tsa> [*] Unix98 PTY support
[19:48] < th> ich brauch den PTY support?
[19:48] < th> doch nich fuer ne simple sh auf /dev/console?
[19:49] < tsa> hm...hier isses an.
[19:49] < tsa> ..und ich hatte mal das problem, dass ein sshd keine shell spawnen konnte, weil er keine pty bekam..
[19:49] < th> bei mir ja auch nur auf dem disc-kernel ja nicht
[19:50] < tsa> ansonsten faellt mir grad auch nix anderes ein, was mal versuchen koennte...
[19:50] < th> thx anyway
[19:50] < tsa> np
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[20:01] < hackbard> hi
[20:01] < holyolli> hi hackbard
[20:01] < hackbard> hi olli!
[20:02] < hackbard> how is the alpha port going on? :)
[20:03] < l_9_l> hi
[20:03] < holyolli> hackbard: *hm* it's going... there were some forgotten alpha-patches, which i now have to rewrite
[20:03] < holyolli> hackbard: but all in all, it's fine
[20:03] < holyolli> i'm just doing a build-all and waiting for the errors to come... at least there are 3 packages which don't work
[20:03] < hackbard> nice to hear that
[20:04] < hackbard> 3 packages isnt much :)
[20:04] < holyolli> the create-cd works anyway and it produces alpha-bootable cdrom
[20:04] < holyolli> +s
[20:05] < holyolli> does anybody know how i can make some patches architecture-dependant?
[20:05] < hackbard> cool, thast still a prob with the sparc port as far as i read in the mailinglists
[20:05] < holyolli> jepp
[20:10] < holyolli> clifford?
[20:10] < tsa> hm....unter 1.7 isses einfach
[20:10] < clifford> ja holyolli
[20:10] < tsa> [R] + alpha
[20:10] < tsa> aber 1.5.. hm..
[20:11] < holyolli> how can i make patches, which _only_ apply for one arch?
[20:11] < clifford> worum geht's (hab' nicht mitgelesen..)
[20:11] < clifford> in 1.7 or 1.5 ?
[20:11] < holyolli> 1.5
[20:12] < tsa> ich glaub 1.5 kann das gar nicht..
[20:12] < tsa> was fuer ein package denn?
[20:13] < clifford> in *.conf: [ "$arch" = alpha ] && patchfiles="$patchfiles $confdir/foobar.patch.alpha"
[20:13] < clifford> withtig ist halt, das das patch file nicht *.patch heisst, weil es sonst automatisch in patchfile hineingeschrieben wird.
[20:13] < holyolli> genau...oki
[20:14] < holyolli> tsa: libjpeg und time
[20:14] < tsa> hm...
[20:14] < clifford> in 1.7 werden automatisch nicht nut *.patch sondern auch *.patch.$arch verwendet.
[20:14] < tsa> kannst du nicht nen patch machen, der auf allen architekturen laeuft?
[20:15] < holyolli> tsa: nein. weil bei time ne datenstruktur auf alpha schon definiert ist (warum auch immer) und bei intel nicht
[20:15] tsa portiert zwar derzeit nicht, aber irgendwie finde ich den 1.7 tree fuer ports viel schoener als 1.5.x ..
[20:15] < holyolli> tsa: das ist richtig. aber ich will erstmal den 1.5er auf alpha machen, damit _irgendeine_ aktuellere version auf alpha tut
[20:15] < holyolli> tsa: und der 1.7er hat noch eine menge anderer probleme
[20:16] < clifford> holyolli: #ifdef __alpha__ ?
[20:16] < tsa> holyolli: ack. man "synergetische effekte". ;-)
[20:16] < holyolli> clifford: das ging auch...aber ich dachte im .conf wäre es schöner...oder was meinst du?
[20:16] < holyolli> tsa: :-P
[20:17] < tsa> holyolli: hm....#ifdef gefaellt mir besser...schoener sauberer patch statt komisches gebastel..
[20:17] < clifford> holyolli: auch wenn man den patch nur bei alpha applied - sollte man ihn trozdem so schreiben das er portabel ist.
[20:17] < holyolli> okay
[20:26] < tsa> clifford: btw...da you already have any plans regarding ia-32 vs. ia-64 ?
[20:26] < tsa> we'll probably need different [R]-tags..
[20:26] < rxr> ia-64 is an own arch
[20:26] < clifford> tsa: no. ia-64 will be just another port.
[20:26] < tsa> hm....ok
[20:27] < rxr> ia-32 has more in common with x86-64 than with ia-64 ...
[20:28] < tsa> [C] x111/game
[20:28] < tsa> interesting category ;)
[20:28] < rxr> ;-)
[20:30] < tsa> fixed.
[20:30] tsa 'cvs up -d'ing ..
[20:31] < clifford> hmmm .. die deps passen noch nicht so ganz ...
[20:32] < clifford> z.bsp.: gcc3 ist von ueber 150 pkgs abhaenig - darunter z.bsp. xine, xpdf und sane-backends ..
[20:32] < bluefire> Does any of you know a way to make the preprocesser expand #define foo(a,b) (a)+(b) to a+b instead of (a)+(b)?
[20:32] < tsa> clifford: hm... Check-PkgFormat macht noch nen bissel mist:
[20:33] < tsa> CHANGELOG: File not found: package/sourceforge/CHANGELOG/CHANGELOG.desc
[20:33] < clifford> #define foo(a,b) (a+b) ?
[20:33] < tsa> CVS: File not found: package/sourceforge/CVS/CVS.desc
[20:33] < tsa> das sollte er ignorieren..
[20:34] < tsa> alternativ CHANGELOG und CVS/ aus den snapshots excluden..
[20:34] < tsa> hm..
[20:35] < clifford> tsa: nein - lt. entwicklerdoku gehoert das ignoriert. files und directoryies die mit grossbuchstaben anfangen muessen ignoriert werden (zumindest hab ich's so im HACKING-HOWTO festgehalten).
[20:35] < tsa> th: bist du da?
[20:36] < th> tsa: ack
[20:36] < tsa> fein.
[20:36] < clifford> tsa: aehm - er ignoriert es eh.
[20:36] < holyolli> gnarf.
[20:37] < tsa> licq-snapshot - [C]-Tag ist kaputt..
[20:37] < tsa> [M] Tobias Hintze <th@rocklinux.org>
[20:37] < tsa> licq-snapshot: Unknown package category: network/icq
[20:37] < clifford> (ausser du ruftst ihn mit z.bsp. "./scripts/Check-PkgFormat CVS" auf
[20:37] < th> tsa: sag mir ne andere category
[20:38] < tsa> th: bei licq hast du [C] kde/chat
[20:38] < th> das war ich nicht
[20:38] < clifford> such' dir eine (oder mehrere) aus: https://www.rocklinux.org/sources/Documentation/Developers/PKG-CATEGORIES
[20:38] < th> und stimmt auch nicht
[20:38] < rxr> as war ich ...
[20:39] < th> rxr: was hat licq mit kde zu tun?
[20:39] < th> rxr: und wiedermal fehlte die info
[20:39] < rxr> es ist qt ...
[20:39] < tsa> hm....dann einigt euch bitte fuer beide pkg's auf eine category..
[20:39] < th> rxr: und?
[20:39] < rxr> welche info?
[20:39] < th> die info ueber deine aenderung an den package maintainer
[20:39] < rxr> wir wollten nicht tausende categories haben
[20:39] < clifford> th: ist lt. pjotr prins nicht notwendig..
[20:39] < th> tsa: wo stehen gueltige categorien?
[20:39] < rxr> also ist alles gt+ gnome
[20:39] < rxr> und alles qt kde ...
[20:40] < th> clifford: nichtmal ne information?
[20:41] < rxr> th: ?? Ich habe > 700 errors in den .desc dateien gefixt! Bei vielen sogar noch web-praesenz, lizenz, ... herausgesucht. Das schreibe ich bestimmt nicht jedem author ...
[20:41] < clifford> th: nein - da gab's einen riesen streit auf der liste bzg. unmaintained packages - und der letzte stand ist das lt. pjotr jeder machen kann was er will. Mann kan ja immer noch rollbacken und auserdem ist das so viel mer bazaar-like ... (keine ahnung)
[20:41] < th> rxr: aber kde/chat ist jawohl unpassend fuer licq.
[20:42] < hackbard> licq ist unpassend :)
[20:42] < th> tsa: und warum ist network/icq nicht existent? wodurch sind packages existent?
[20:42] < rxr> ist instant messaging nicht => chat ??
[20:42] < th> hackbard: psst
[20:42] < clifford> th: die cat liste hab' ich gerade gepostet - ist teil der developer docu und wurde ueber eine woche lang auf der liste besprochen ..
[20:42] < th> rxr: chat wuerde gerade noch gehen. aber kde
[20:42] < th> clifford: ok
[20:42] < rxr> wenn wir noch gt+ qt fltk, ... einfuehren haben wir bald tausend categorieren
[20:42] < th> clifford: sagste mal ein genaues datum von dem posting der liste damit ichs schnell finde?
[20:43] < rxr> warum nicht einfach ?
[20:43] < tsa> hm...ploetzlich alle verstorben?
[20:43] < clifford> th: was ist es dann? console/chat wohl kaum ..
[20:43] < tsa> ist so ruhig..
[20:43] < clifford> th: moment ..
[20:43] < rxr> ausserdem kannst du bei vielen progs gar nicth sagen ob sie kde oder qt sind
[20:43] < rxr> bei manchen kannst du kde abstellen - manche benutzen es nur halb ...
[20:44] < rxr> bei Gnome ist das noch schlimmer ...
[20:44] < rxr> Abiword?
[20:44] < th> rxr: ich warum muss man die software denn nach der API einteilen und nicht nach der funktion?
[20:44] < tsa> rxr: dann bitte im zweifelsfall ne liste der geaenderten packages an die liste, dann kann jeder selber in seinen packages nachsehen..
[20:44] < rxr> ist nicht gnome - wird aber von den Gnome leuten unter GNOME / Office aufgefuehrt ...
[20:44] < rxr> ES GIBT NE CVS CHAGE MAILING LISTE
[20:45] < tsa> naja, alles qt-zeug nach kde, alles gtk-zeug nach gnome ist irgendwie auch komisch..
[20:45] < rxr> da sind aber kaum welche drauf ...
[20:45] < tsa> aehm...wo is die?
[20:45] < rxr> pjotr intern? ;-)
[20:45] < rxr> (keine ahnung ...)
[20:45] < clifford> th: das erste mail ist vom 31.12.2001 17:42: https://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/rock-linux/2001-12/245.html
[20:45] < clifford> Dahinter gibt's einen ziemlich langen thread ..
[20:46] < rxr> Deise Personen scheinen auf der LIste zu sein (wo immer die auch ist):
[20:46] < rxr> To: hobbel@users.sourceforge.net, pjotrp@users.sourceforge.net,
[20:46] < rxr> rrebe@users.sourceforge.net, stefanp@users.sourceforge.net
[20:46] < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.net/search/search.cgi?q=CATEGORIES
[20:47] < tsa> rxr: hm....du stehst da drauf - wie bist du da darauf gekommen?
[20:47] < rxr> tsa: keine ahnung - nach der sf diskussion war ich da aufeinmal drauf ...
[20:47] < SMP> Leute ..
[20:47] < rxr> warum nach gnome und kde sortiert?
[20:47] < SMP> RTFM
[20:48] < tsa> SMP: $MANPATH?
[20:48] < SMP> $CVSROOT/package/README
[20:48] < rxr> weil das der kleinste gemeinsame nenner ist ...
[20:48] < tsa> thx.
[20:49] SMP wundert sich doch ziemlich wer alles _keine_ CVS notifies bekommt ...
[20:49] < rxr> warum nicht nach funktion? Weil die categories hauptsaechlich fuer die targets zum filtern gedacht sind ... - und die user eh eher interessiert welche oberflaeche das packaet hat ...
[20:49] < th> SMP: ;)
[20:50] < clifford> SMP: pjotr hat gesagt er setzt mich auf die liste - hat das dann aber nie getan ..
[20:50] < SMP> selbst ist der Hacker ;)
[20:50] < SMP> soll ich? ;>
[20:50] < clifford> auserdem kann man ja auch */chat selektieren ..
[20:51] < clifford> SMP: bitte nicht - i ch bekomm so schon genug junk mail .. :-)
[20:51] < SMP> oh bitte nicht nach gnome / kde / x11 / console ..
[20:51] < tsa> cvs server: Rebuilding administrative file database
[20:51] < rxr> wonach dann?
[20:51] < tsa> ok, done.
[20:51] < SMP> mag nich jemand mal nen dummen User testen, womit er sich besser zurechtfindet?
[20:52] < rxr> ausserdem habe wir das vor 4 monaten diskutiert ... *wunder*
[20:52] < clifford> Aaarg! Diese liste ist ueber 4 monate alt und wurde ueber einen laengeren zeitraum hinweg auf der mailing liste diskutiert ..
[20:52] < SMP> Moment ..
[20:52] < SMP> es ging dabei nicht um die Kategorien fuer user. IIRC
[20:52] < SMP> hmm ja
[20:53] < rxr> SMP: was ist mit dummen usern ???
[20:53] < clifford> SMP: um welche denn? es gibt nur eine art von kategorien ...
[20:53] < clifford> Ausserdem: Wir sind ROCK Linux - was kuemmern mich die dummen user??? :-)
[20:53] < tsa> .oO( Popcorn! )
[20:53] < tsa> clifford: ACK! ;-)
[20:53] < SMP> ich hatte vorher mal ein System angefangen, aber Rene hatte seine Version vorher zur Sprache gebracht
[20:53] < SMP> egal.
[20:53] < hackbard> mal ne frage zum cluster build. wieviel prozent (schaetztung) muss/wird sequentiell gebaut?
[20:54] < SMP> clifford: ich habe das grad halb mit den repositories verwechselt
[20:54] < clifford> hackbard: auf einen cluster mit wie vielen nodes?
[20:54] < rxr> SMP: wie wolltest du das denn sortieren?
[20:54] < hackbard> 2 *g
[20:54] < clifford> SMP: ok. alles klar .. :-)
[20:54] < th> clifford: wo finde ich das ergebnis der cat-diskussiont? also die finale liste?
[20:54] < hackbard> ich nehem an, dei sollten von der gleichen arch sein.
[20:55] < clifford> hackbard: das ist nicht viel - es gibt ein tool um das zu simulieren...
[20:55] < tsa> th: Documetation/Developers/PKG-CATEGORIES
[20:55] < rxr> tsa: die muss aber nochmal einwenig gefixt werden ...
[20:55] < rxr> alles categories sollten im plural sein ...
[20:55] < clifford> hackbard: warte mal kurz - ich lad' den snapshot hoch - dann zeig ich dir's ..
[20:55] < hackbard> amdahl schaetzt da auch ganz schoen grosszuegig ab, meien leistung is nicht gleich verteilt -> leistungssteigerung << 1/sqe-anteil :(
[20:56] < th> th.segfault ~/dev/rock-1.5 > cat Documentation/Developers/PKG-CATEGORIES
[20:56] < th> FIXME
[20:56] < hackbard> clifford: cool, danke.
[20:56] < SMP> rxr: nach Funktion (und erst dann nach UI etc.). ich meine user suchen ein Programm zuerst nach seiner Funktion und erst dann nach UI. schliesslich kommt Funktion als erster Gedanke ('ich brauch ein Programm zum XYZ zu machen' und nicht 'ich will mal ein neunes {KDE,Gnome} Programm installieren')
[20:56] < clifford> hackbard: ok - das ist schlecht. Am besten verwendest du dann nicht den ROCK Linux eigenen job scheduler sondern einen externen der jobs die laenger brauchen auf dem schnelleren rechner ausfuehrt.
[20:56] < th> SMP: ACK
[20:57] < SMP> letztlich _sollte_ es bei einer guten Distribution dann egal sein welches UI das Programm verwendet
[20:57] < rxr> SMP: Die meisten wollen aber nur Console oder nur Gnome oder nur KDE ... ausserdem kannst du dir ja (im installer?) *chat* anzeigen lassen uns schauen was dir am besten gefaellt ...
[20:57] < SMP> es muss eben funktionieren
[20:58] < SMP> rxr: ja die Moeglichkeit ist mir klar
[20:58] < clifford> rxr: oder besser */chat ..
[20:58] SMP zweifelt
[20:58] < tsa> rxr: hm....wer plant die aenderungen der categories?
[20:58] < tsa> rxr: bzw. wer macht das?
[20:58] < rxr> plannen? wir hier ..
[20:58] < tsa> ok.
[20:58] < clifford> SMP: geht ja jetzt im build-system config auch so ..
[20:58] < SMP> aber egal. ich kann das ja einfach in meinem tree das so aendern wie ich will ;>>
[20:58] < rxr> ich kann die mal editieren und die *.desc duch sed durchpipen ...
[20:59] < th> gibt es x11/ noch?
[20:59] < tsa> th: jupp.
[20:59] clifford freuht' sich auf den patch - bitte keine filses > 5 MB per mail an mich schicken ..
[20:59] < th> aber auch x11/chat waere unpassend
[21:00] < rxr> ich kann dir ja das sed script schicken *g*
[21:00] < th> denn licq (und licq ist nicht das einzige) liefert die FUNKTION mit mehreren UIs
[21:00] < tsa> rxr: vorschlag - wir machen das genau jetzt, clifford baut es ein und released nen neuen snapshot + mail an die liste, jeder soll seine packages checken..
[21:00] < th> z.b. console/gtk/qt
[21:00] < rxr> ich moechte wirklich ungern gtk+ und qt haben ...
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[21:00] < th> dann muesste licq in console/chat kde/chat gnome/chat auftauchen
[21:00] < clifford> rxr: wenn du sowas machst, sag's mir bitte vorher. Wenn ich parallel die *.desc mit einem script umformatiere applied dann der patch nicht mehr ..
[21:01] < SMP> th: das schlimme ist --- das geht sogar! ;)
[21:01] < tsa> SMP: hehe..
[21:01] < th> SMP: aber ist es sinnvoll?
[21:01] < rxr> wieso muss licq in alle categorien?
[21:01] < SMP> dass das geht, ja. IMHO. das so zu sortieren, nein. aber ich wiederhole mich ;>
[21:02] < th> rxr: weil es sowohl instant messaging fuer console, gtk und qt liefert
[21:02] < clifford> SMP: natuerlich geht das - war ja ein grundgedanke bei den cat. das ein package in bel vielen (aber min. einem) sein kann ...
[21:02] < rxr> kann das main teil nicht nur qt - und der rest sind plugins?
[21:02] < th> clifford: geht das auch auf dem 1.5er tree? wie geb ich mehrere categoriern an?
[21:02] < clifford> th: im 1.5er tree gibt es keine categories.
[21:03] SMP ist fuer eine zusaetzliche Abstraktionsebene bei den categories *VEG*
[21:03] < rxr> th: habe die 1.5 cat ueberhaupt einen nutzen??
[21:03] < rxr> ahh
[21:03] < th> # [C] network/icq
[21:03] clifford schlaegt SMP.
[21:03] < th> clifford: wie nennt man sowas?
[21:03] < clifford> th: ein flag das von den scripten nicht verwendet wird.
[21:03] < rxr> nicht benutze komentare ;-) ?
[21:03] < clifford> rxr: nein - *.ext files ... :-)
[21:04] < th> nun. dann sind mir die categorien im moment egal und wir koennen alle [C] lines komplett aus 1.5 entfernen
[21:04] < SMP> clifford: $ROCKCFG_UPSIDEDOWN vs. $ROCKCFG_DOWNSIDEUP
[21:04] clifford ist froh das es die in 1.7 nicht mehr gibt.
[21:04] < SMP> ;->>
[21:04] < rxr> clifford: ich weiss ...
[21:04] < th> wodurch wir wieder redundantes maintainen haben
[21:04] < SMP> OpenOffice installer funktioniert auf grandiose Weise nicht
[21:04] < SMP> super!
[21:04] < rxr> th: wenn wir einmal aufraemen ....
[21:05] < th> rxr: das main teil kann garnichts. und dann gibt es qt und consolen und andere plugins
[21:05] < rxr> th: dann kommt licq nach libraries/chat ...
[21:05] < rxr> und die plugins einzeln nach gnome kde ...
[21:05] < SMP> libraries/ *heul* ..
[21:05] < th> rxr: jo. und willst du die plugins dann in extra packages packen?
[21:05] < clifford> SMP: Ich bin mehr fuer $ROCKCFG_FLIP_X_AXIS, $ROCKCFG_FLIP_Y_AXIS und $ROCKCFG_FLIP_Z_AXIS
[21:05] < rxr> SMP: WAS ????
[21:05] < SMP> aber lassen wir das ..
[21:06] < th> rxr: das ist krank
[21:06] < clifford> SMP: die wuerden wenigstens alle was anderes machen .. :-)
[21:06] < tsa> th: ACK ;)
[21:06] < SMP> clifford: *lach*
[21:06] < rxr> th: was ist daran denn ktrank ?
[21:06] < SMP> rxr: und was ist wenn eine 'library' ein Demo-Programm enthaelt? ;)
[21:06] < th> rxr: wenn ich mir ein licq installiere dann moechte ich es auf einmal mit mehreren plugins installieren und die dann per licq waehlen koennen
[21:07] < rxr> aller moeglicher stuff enthaehllt demos ...
[21:07] < th> rxr: ausserdem ist das pure licq keine library
[21:07] < rxr> und die bligx enthaehllt auch progs ...
[21:07] < SMP> ach egal.. categories sind fuer luser
[21:07] < rxr> trotzdem bleibt die glic ne lib ...
[21:07] SMP waehlt sowieso alle pkg einzeln aus ;>
[21:07] tsa faengt gleich an, allen paketen, die man-pages mitbringen, noch ein '[C] documentation/irgendwas' zu verpassen ;)
[21:07] < rxr> th: was denn nun ? *wunder mehr*
[21:07] < SMP> tsa: *giggle*
[21:07] < th> tsa: hehe
[21:08] < clifford> SMP: dan komm es zusaetzlich nach console/libdemo, x11/libdemo, oder was auch immer :-)
[21:08] < th> rxr: licq ohne plugins ist ein programm welches nicht nutzbar ist.
[21:08] SMP erschlaegt clifford ;p
[21:08] < th> hehe
[21:08] < rxr> th: wenn die zu doof sind ne richtige lib zu schreiben
[21:08] < tsa> sorry....aber IMHO sollte ein paket optimalerweise in _1_ kategorie sein, wenn es nicht anders geht, auch in 2 oder 3....aber bitte nicht in 20.
[21:08] < clifford> SMP: jetzt stell dir mal vor das demo programm kann 'dialog' und kompatible fuer die GUI verwenden .. :-)
[21:08] < rxr> was kann ich dafuer ... ?
[21:08] < th> rxr: warum sollten sie? sie haben dafuer ja plugins.
[21:08] < rxr> tsa: ACK!!!
[21:08] < tsa> einfaches beispiel.
[21:08] < tsa> licq.
[21:09] < tsa> hat graphische oberflaeche.
[21:09] < tsa> worauf beruht die?
[21:09] < rxr> tsa: das sorum zu programmieren ist krank ...
[21:09] < tsa> gtk / qt / ?
[21:09] < th> gibts beides
[21:09] < tsa> ok.
[21:09] < tsa> dann eben x11/
[21:09] < tsa> x11/chat klingt passend.
[21:09] < th> und es gibt ne consolen UI
[21:09] < tsa> egal.
[21:09] < th> tsa: ack. aber nicht perfekt wegen console
[21:09] SMP wuerde x11/ nicht anfassen, weil da vermutlich so Zeug wie xfig verrottet ;>
[21:09] < rxr> WWWWOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!
[21:10] < rxr> SMP: hehe
[21:10] < tsa> th: ethereal bringt auch nen tethereal mit. soll es deswegen gleich auch in consolte/irgendwo ?
[21:10] < tsa> -t
[21:10] < th> tsa: in welcher ist es jetzt?
[21:10] < rxr> tsa: die plugins koennen doch einzelne packete sein !!!
[21:11] < tsa> [C] gnome/network
[21:11] < tsa> wegen gtk
[21:11] < clifford> xfig ist cool! eine echt schoene xawt app .. sowas wird heute garnicht mehr programmiert! :-)
[21:11] < th> tsa: imho ist das krank
[21:11] < tsa> *seufz*
[21:11] < rxr> LASST UND DIE PACKETE EINFACH (!!!) NACH DER HAUPTFUNKTION SORTIEREN
[21:11] < tsa> th: schon wieder: ACK.
[21:11] < rxr> clifford: zum glueck ...
[21:11] < th> rxr: huch. und das von dir?
[21:11] < tsa> rxr: jajajaja - alles wo grafisch und bunt nach x11/*.
[21:11] < rxr> wenn es ein gtk+ plugin gibt kommt das nach gnome ...
[21:11] < th> rxr: die haupt funktion von licq ist imho "im oder chat"
[21:12] < rxr> wenn ne lib beispiele hat - who cares ?
[21:12] < tsa> dann evtl weiter nach kde/* oder gnome/*
[21:12] < SMP> rxr hat eine interessante Definition von 'Hauptfunktion' ..
[21:12] < clifford> was aber mach' ich, wenn ich einfach alles installieren will, was gnome ist - egal welche funktion das jetzt hat.
[21:12] < th> communication/im/licq
[21:12] < rxr> tsa: hat licq nun ne oberflaeche oder nicht=
[21:12] < tsa> clifford: select */*
[21:12] < tsa> ;)
[21:12] < SMP> clifford: ne neue Festplatte kaufen ;>
[21:12] < tsa> rxr: es hat offenbar eine. und die ist bunt.
[21:13] < tsa> rxr: also x11/*, kde/* oder gnome/*
[21:13] < clifford> mach ich dann select x11/gnome/* ?
[21:13] < rxr> gnome kann auch im framebuffer
[21:13] < tsa> rxr: es ist weder kde- noch gnome-spezifisch. daher x11/*
[21:13] < rxr> genauso wie kde ...
[21:13] < th> clifford: vielleicht sollte sowas wie licq sowohl in gnome also auch in communication/im
[21:13] < rxr> STOP
[21:14] < SMP> ja?
[21:14] < th> clifford: die zugehoerigkeit zu gnome ist dann eine art flag, dass es installiert wird wenn man alles von gnome will
[21:14] < rxr> das haellt man ja nicht aus ...
[21:14] < tsa> hihi
[21:14] < clifford> ich glaube, ein problem ist das man immer annimmt, das der teil vor dem slash die haup- und der tail nach dem slash die unterkat. ist.
[21:14] < SMP> rxr: dito. was ist dein Argument
[21:14] < SMP> ?
[21:14] < SMP> clifford: ja. wo ist das ein Problem?
[21:15] < rxr> wann gab es neue .mpg's ;-)
[21:15] < th> clifford: sind die cats hierar. gedacht?
[21:15] < clifford> Und das trifft einfach nicht zu. der teil vor dem slash ist die gui (bzw. server und lib fuer gui-less) und der teil nachher ist das aufgabengebiet.
[21:15] < SMP> clifford: *aua*
[21:15] < tsa> clifford: hm...
[21:15] < th> clifford: achso??
[21:15] < SMP> nungut ..
[21:15] < tsa> dann sollte evtl gnome/* und kde/* zu x11/gnome/* bzw. x11/kde/* werden..
[21:15] < clifford> wir koennten's auch umdrehen ... :-)
[21:15] < th> clifford: das war mir neu... ich hatte es immer als eine art hierarchie der funktion gesehen
[21:15] < SMP> ein perl script einmal ueber die sourcen gejagt wird's richten ..
[21:16] < SMP> clifford: *ARGH* ;>>
[21:16] < clifford> tsa: wenn wird x11/gnome/* machen ist es wieder eine hirachie ..
[21:16] < clifford> .. un das soll's ja nicht sein.
[21:16] rxr wech
[21:16] < SMP> welches UI hat dann eine GTK Skin?
[21:16] < tsa> hm...
[21:17] < tsa> SMP: all/all
[21:17] < tsa> ;)
[21:17] < th> vielleicht sollte es einfach eine auflistung geben statt foo/bar
[21:17] < rxr> SMP: gnome/themes ...
[21:17] < clifford> SMP: ich weiss schon das es schwierig ist grenzen zwischen X11, GNOME und KDE zu ziehen.
[21:17] < tsa> rxr: aber es ist kein gnome-theme.
[21:17] < th> gnome,kde,console/funktion
[21:17] < rxr> aber ein theme fuer die gui lib auf der gnome basiert ...
[21:17] < clifford> Aber das ist es immer. - Is 'yabasic' ein spiel oder eine programmiersprache ?
[21:17] < SMP> rxr: die Skin an sich hat doch gar kein 'GUI'
[21:18] < rxr> habe ich das gesagt ?
[21:18] < SMP> clifford: ;-))
[21:18] < th> a,b,c/x,y,z erlaubt mehrere UIs
[21:18] < SMP> rxr: wenn's aber keins hat, gehoert es nicht in gnome/, weil clifford als erste Komponente das GUI definiert hat
[21:18] < clifford> SMP: die skins nach library/ zu stellen ist pervers - obwohl es von der funktion genau zutreffen wuerde.
[21:18] < SMP> clifford: ebend! nackend!
[21:18] < rxr> es hat aber ein GUI zu dem es passt
[21:19] < SMP> das ganze Konzept ist pervers :-}
[21:19] < rxr> oder kannst du es in qt oder xaw reintuen ?
[21:19] < th> was spricht dagegen einem paket mehr als eine UI zuzuordnen?
[21:19] < rxr> th: nichts!
[21:19] < SMP> th: nix
[21:19] < tsa> hm....ok.
[21:19] < th> warum dann nicht gnome,kde,console/chat
[21:20] < tsa> opera - wohin?
[21:20] < clifford> SMP: find' ich nicht. Wenn skins technisch als alternative windowmanager realisiert wearen, dann gehrten si ja auch nach gnome/.
[21:20] < rxr> tsa: wenn qt dann -> kde
[21:20] < th> x11/browser
[21:20] < SMP> *ugh*
[21:20] < clifford> (und fuer den luser ist ein skin ja so ziemlich das gleiche wie ein alternativer wm)
[21:20] < th> x11/browser,mua
[21:20] < tsa> rxr: noe - ist statisch gelinkt :-PPP
[21:20] < rxr> na und ?
[21:20] < clifford> hackbard: noch da? (wg. cluster)
[21:20] < tsa> und kde isses auch nich.
[21:21] < rxr> tsa: wiillst du jetzt noch static-kde/adsfasdf
[21:21] < rxr> dynamic-kde/sdfkdsajf einfuehren ?
[21:21] < th> clifford: dann muesste natuerlich ein mechanismus her diese a,b,c/foo aufzuloesen so dass du alles was b ist selektieren kannst
[21:21] < rxr> dann nennen wir hallt zu not kde -> qt und gnome -> gtk+
[21:21] < tsa> rxr: noe. das war nur ein beispiel.
[21:21] < SMP> was hat qt so sehr mit kde zu tun?
[21:21] < th> versteh ich auch nich
[21:21] < tsa> wenn ich hinterher gnome/* installiere weil ich kde nich mag, krieg ich keinen opera.
[21:22] < clifford> bitte nicht! gnome/ und kde/ ist schon genug!
[21:22] < SMP> eine qt-only app ist so sehr kde wie eine gtk-only app
[21:22] < rxr> clifford: DANKE!
[21:22] < th> tsa: wenn opera in gnome,kde/browser landet schon!
[21:22] < tsa> die assoziation qt-kde bzw gtk-gnome ist falsch, IMHO.
[21:22] SMP schuettelt sein Haupt
[21:22] < tsa> th: dann kann ich es auch gleich in x11/browser packen.
[21:22] < clifford> th: man 3 glob
[21:22] < rxr> ach packt es doch hin wo ihr wollt
[21:23] < SMP> rxr: uh-oh
[21:23] rxr erstelle ein post-update sed/awk script das sachen fixt ...
[21:23] < SMP> rxr: /me too
[21:23] < th> clifford: es waere kein thema sowas zu implementieren, ich weiss
[21:23] < SMP> th: es _ist_ implementiert
[21:23] < clifford> es geht doch darum, das man die dinge findet. Es ist genau so sinnlos fuer jedes package eine eigene cat zu schaffen (damit sie auch wirklich dort hin gehoert) wie alle packages in eine grosse cat zu legen.
[21:23] < th> SMP: du willst auf multiple categories raus?
[21:24] rxr fetchmail
[21:24] < SMP> th: glob an dieser Stelle ist implementiert.
[21:25] < SMP> oder wird definitv implementiert.
[21:25] < SMP> das macht auch unabhaengig vom cat.-layout Sinn
[21:25] < rxr> glob was?
[21:25] < SMP> *gnn*
[21:25] < clifford> rxr: pattern matching
[21:26] < tsa> rxr: globbing eben.
[21:26] < th> ok, dann macht es sinn dinge wie licq per glob oder wie auch immer in mehr als nur kde/chat zu stecken, weil es ja auch eben console/chat ist
[21:26] < rxr> th stop nochmal
[21:27] < rxr> du sagtest licy hat kein gui ??
[21:27] < rxr> was denn nun ?
[21:27] < tsa> btw....will vielleicht irgendwer [M] fuer opera machen?
[21:27] < rxr> die plugins koennen doch dann in die verschiedenen GUIs sortiert werden ...
[21:27] SMP will dev/null ;>
[21:27] < th> rxr: licq ist ein paket welches ein licq-programm enthaelt. ausserdem sind plugins mit distributed die die UIs dazu liefern
[21:27] < tsa> lol.
[21:27] rxr schuettel
[21:28] < rxr> th: kann mal mehrere enablen? sind die qt gtk teile nicht einzeln erhaeltich ?
[21:28] < clifford> rxr: bitte nicht jetzt bei jeder gelegenheit ein package in tausend su-packages fuer plugins, skins, doc, headers, etc. zerlegen (sonst verzweifle ich und starte ein neues projekt - z.bsp. rennschnecken zuechten :-)
[21:28] < th> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Mar 16 07:45 auto-reply
[21:28] < th> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 May 7 10:22 console
[21:28] < th> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Mar 16 07:45 jons-gtk-gui
[21:28] < th> drwxr-xr-x 8 root root 4096 May 7 10:19 qt-gui
[21:29] < th> drwxr-xr-x 5 root root 4096 Mar 16 07:45 rms
[21:29] < SMP> koennen wir uns bitte wenigstens darauf einigen, qt-only oder gtk-only Apps _nicht_ nach gnome/ bzw. kde/ zu sortieren?
[21:29] < th> das sind 5 plugins die per default mit licq mitkommen
[21:29] < rxr> clifford: cool ich mach mit ?
[21:29] < rxr> soll ich mal in Berlin suchen gehen *g*
[21:29] < SMP> wenn ich kde/* selecte will ich eine komplettes KDE-Env., aber sicher keinen Opera
[21:30] < rxr> SMP: dann wuerde ich gnome liber nach gtk und kde nach qt umbenennen ...
[21:30] < clifford> rxr: wenn wir die schnecken an elektroden anschliessen und eine effektkette dranhaengen koennen wir viwelleicht sogar alternativ-musik mit ihnen machen ... :-)
[21:30] < th> hehe
[21:30] < tsa> lol
[21:30] < rxr> hohrt sicht gut an (hofft das keine Tierschuetzer mitlesen )
[21:31] < SMP> rxr: das versteht wieder keiner und das ist IMHO auch genau gar keine Art von 'Einordnung'
[21:31] < SMP> noch Meinungen?
[21:31] < rxr> SMP: ich will auf meinem rechner keine Gnome muell haben ...
[21:31] < clifford> SMP: was ist mit "halb gnome" bzw. "halb kde" apps? Z.bsp. ein prog das libgtk und libxml verwendet.
[21:31] < rxr> und anderen suchen sich Progs lieber aus console raus ...
[21:31] < SMP> clifford: x11/
[21:31] < rxr> libxml ist weder gnome noch kde ...
[21:32] < rxr> das benutzen beide und gehvhrt nach library/text oder so ...
[21:32] < SMP> gnome/ qualifiziert sich linken gegen libgnome*, fuer kde linken gegen libkde*
[21:32] < SMP> libgnome? heisst das so?
[21:32] < clifford> SMP: dann wuerdest du also auch libxml nach x11/ und nicht nach gnome/ schieben?
[21:32] < rxr> SMP: moeglich
[21:32] praenti wieder dqa
[21:32] < SMP> clifford: hat libxml ein GUI?
[21:33] < rxr> libxml geohoert weder in x11 noch in gnome
[21:33] < praenti> rxr: sortiert ihr die pakete neu ein?
[21:33] < clifford> hat libgnome eine gui?
[21:33] < rxr> hilfe!
[21:33] < SMP> *LOL*
[21:33] < clifford> es _gehoert_ zu einer gui.
[21:33] < tsa> aber nen binary: usr/bin/xml-config
[21:33] tsa grinst
[21:33] < rxr> clifford: was gehohrt zu einem GUI, libxml ???
[21:33] < clifford> genau - wir brauchen ja noch console/lib-config ...
[21:34] < clifford> rxr: es gehoert zu gnome ..
[21:34] rxr muff
[21:34] < SMP> was soll lib-config sein?
[21:34] < rxr> Fazit: alles belibt wie es ist ;-)
[21:34] < rxr> clifford: NEIN!
[21:34] < SMP> libxmle gehoert zu gnome wie alsa zum Kernel ..
[21:34] < rxr> SMP: ????
[21:34] < SMP> naemlich nur sehr weit entfernt
[21:35] < rxr> libxml ist in libraries/text
[21:35] < rxr> PUNKT
[21:35] < clifford> ich kenne kein nicht-gnome prog das libxml verwendet..
[21:35] < tsa> komischer punkt.
[21:35] < rxr> kde
[21:35] < rxr> diverse console stuff
[21:35] < SMP> libraries/text? warum nicht libraries/markup? ;>
[21:36] < SMP> uebrigens kann man PHP gegen den (XML parser aus) QT linken...
[21:36] < rxr> SMP: wenn du die ab jetze alle sortierst und verwalltest gerne ...
[21:36] < th> clifford: also ich verwende libxml in eigenen programmen
[21:36] < SMP> haben wir dann kde/php ?!
[21:36] < rxr> SMP: wenn du das willst ;-)
[21:37] < SMP> abgesehen davon ist php ein Fall fuer dev/null ;>
[21:37] < th> aber php kann doch jetz auch irgendwie gtk *wunder*
[21:37] < rxr> grep libxml package/*/*/*.cache
[21:37] < SMP> genau! php-gtk
[21:37] < th> SMP: ack ;)
[21:37] < tsa> th: und es kann pdf's bauen..
[21:37] < th> tsa: jo
[21:37] < tsa> php-kde-gtk-pdf-php?
[21:37] < huebi> *lol*
[21:37] < rxr> clifford: die categories siffen ...
[21:38] < huebi> re
[21:38] < rxr> package/base/isdn4k-utils/isdn4k-utils.cache:[DEP] lesstif libglade libole2 librep librsvg libsigc++ libtool libxml2
[21:38] < rxr> ???
[21:38] < SMP> *hoe hoe*
[21:38] < clifford> rxr: ok - ich glaub's ja ... :-)
[21:38] < rxr> ach ja - ich erinnere mich das prob ist bekannt
[21:38] < rxr> ls -l /usr/bin
[21:38] < rxr> oder so ...
[21:39] < rxr> also fazit?
[21:39] < clifford> rxr: ls nicht, weil das die readdir und stat ausfuehrt ...
[21:39] < rxr> stimmt
[21:40] huebi geht mal da dran, die U30 mit ROCK Linux 1.5.12 zu versehen.
[21:40] < clifford> rxr: zu den deps muss ich mir aber noch so manches einfallen lassen ...
[21:40] < rxr> huebi: hasst du von der U5 neuigkeiten gehoehert
[21:40] < praenti> huebi: hast du mein zeugs schon probiert?
[21:41] < praenti> huebi: oder besser renes
[21:41] < rxr> hatte die illusion die feiertage eine zu haben :-(
[21:41] < huebi> rxr: kannst du haben :-)
[21:41] < rxr> huebi: was?
[21:41] < clifford> ... durch die zu vielen deps gibts beim builden auf clustern mit ueber 100 nodes ein paar troubles ... (laut Create-ParaSim :-)
[21:41] < SMP> wie bringt man den OpenOffice Installer zum funktionieren? ;)
[21:41] < rxr> SMP: keine ahnung
[21:41] < huebi> SMP: ???
[21:41] < rxr> SMP: bei mir haben sich auch schon dRock leute beschwert das der nicht tut ...
[21:41] < praenti> SMP: ich hatte auch probleme damit
[21:42] < SMP> super! ich bin nicht allein!
[21:42] rxr downloading oo
[21:42] < clifford> SMP: sag' mirs wenn du's weisst (ich hab' das vile hier liegen - aber noch nichts damit gemacht :-)
[21:42] < huebi> Hier funtionierts schon immer voellig problemlos.
[21:42] < SMP> huebi: auch der 1.0er?!
[21:42] < SMP> ein frueherer hat bei mir in der Tat noch funktioniert
[21:43] < rxr> SMP: dieses file: OOo_1.0.0_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
[21:43] < rxr> ?
[21:43] < SMP> jo
[21:43] < huebi> OpenOffice.org642
[21:44] < SMP> huebi: *gnn*
[21:44] < SMP> 642 < 1.0
[21:44] < rxr> huebi: was wolltest du mir ein paar zeilen weiter oben sagen?
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[21:45] < huebi> Viel lieber waere mir das Monster mal fertig compiliert zu bekommen.
[21:46] < huebi> rxr: Ich habe hier 1x U5 und 1x U30. Du kannst gerne einen Login bekommen auf der U5
[21:46] < SMP> ARGH!
[21:46] < SMP> SIGSEGV
[21:46] < rxr> hm ja hm
[21:47] < SMP> und mit einem monstroesen und fehlerhaften sighandler aufgefangen
[21:47] < SMP> und dann _exit(09
[21:47] < SMP> _exit(0) halt
[21:47] < rxr> huebi: login habe ich auf Mike'S U5 auch ... - aber nen ROCK build kann man kaum als user bauen ...
[21:47] < SMP> *heul*
[21:47] < huebi> rxr: root login.?
[21:48] < rxr> ?? willst du wirklich?
[21:48] < rxr> Viel mehr wuerde mich interessieren wan Ripclaws U5 hier ankommt ;-)
[21:48] < huebi> rxr: Armijn hat auch einen.
[21:48] < rxr> s/wan/wann/
[21:48] < rxr> huebi: Hm ;-)
[21:48] < huebi> rxr: ripclaw ist genau so ueberarbeitet wie ich.
[21:49] < huebi> rxr: Das braucht einfach noch seine Zeit.
[21:49] < rxr> huebi: als erstes wuerde ich mir die diversen gcc und egcs und kernel versionen auschauen um zu sehen was fuer ein Mischmasch das ist ...
[21:49] < huebi> Und dann gab's hier noch ueberall, oehm, Probleme mit dem anderen Gesclecht...
[21:51] < tsa> hehe
[21:51] < SMP> SEGFAULTE NICHT, DUMMES DING!
[21:51] < huebi> rxr: Ich muss jetzt nur noch mein nfs-home unmountbar machen auf der U5 und dann steht dem root login eigendlich nichts mehr im weg.
[21:52] < rxr> huebi: nicht noetig - ich ware noch ...
[21:52] < rxr> huebi: und kompiliere schonmal nen paar kernel mit den corss-compiler ...
[21:52] < huebi> rxr: ok
[21:52] < rxr> huebi: aber danke!
[21:52] < rxr> clifford: wann hast du zu letzen mal nen ROCK 1.7 build laufen lassen
[21:52] < huebi> gern geschehen.
[21:54] < clifford> rxr: hab gerade einen neuen gestartet - der letzte war letzte woche.
[21:55] < rxr> clifford: ahh - deshalb baute ihr gestern nichts ...
[21:55] < clifford> ich werd erst am Fr. wieder in mein office kommen - und bis dahin sollte er durchgelaufen sein.
[21:56] < rxr> clifford: du machst einen referenz build? Bist du sicher das der noch laeft ?
[21:57] SMP ueberlegt das OpenOffice setup mit einer LD_PRELOAD laufen zu lassen, die unlink() erdet ..
[21:57] < clifford> rxr: ist grad' bei glibc. wieso?
[21:57] < SMP> (bei RealOne kommen da echt lustige Sachen raus ;>)
[21:58] < rxr> Stage 1 ?
[21:58] < SMP> (nen CVS tree in der Doku, der sonst geloescht wuerde z.B.)
[21:58] < clifford> rxr: stage 0. wieso????
[21:58] < rxr> ahh meinte ich ja
[21:58] < tsa> SMP: hehe
[21:58] < clifford> SMP: wow!
[21:59] < rxr> ok ich starte gleich auch mal nen ganz jungfreulichen 1.7 build ...
[21:59] < clifford> rxr: wiiiiiieeeeesssoooooo????????
[21:59] < rxr> weil hier gestern ncits tat! install_init gab es nicht und src.* wurde nie geloescht und irgend was anderes war auch noch ...
[22:00] < rxr> -> nahezu kein package tat ...
[22:00] < th> hat zufaellig grad wer ne statisch gelinkte 386er shell da?
[22:00] < rxr> SMP: install oder setup ?
[22:00] < clifford> rxr: das mit src.* ist laengst gefixed und von install_init weiss ich nix ..
[22:00] < clifford> .. aber laetzteres laesst ich ja leicht testen.
[22:00] < tsa> th: hm...noe - ich koennt dir nen SunOS /sbin/sh anbieten ;)
[22:01] < th> hehe
[22:01] < SMP> rxr: ./install --interactive --prefix=/bla
[22:01] < th> noe.
[22:01] < th> tsa: hab vorhin noch mit freaks aus #linux rumprobiert
[22:01] < rxr> rene@jackson:~/install > ./install --interactive --prefix=/bla
[22:01] < rxr> Installation starting, please be patient ...
[22:01] < rxr> glibc version: 2.2.5
[22:01] < rxr> Installation Complete
[22:01] < rxr> nicht wirklich viel ...
[22:01] < th> tsa: hab dann die busybox noch mit -march-i386 gebaut... aber selbes ergebnis.. beim exec haengt der kernel nur
[22:01] < SMP> *LOL*
[22:02] < SMP> rxr: dann liegt's also wohl nicht an meiner glibberc 2.13 ..
[22:02] < SMP> 2.1.3 even
[22:02] < SMP> OpenOffice b0rken
[22:02] < rxr> SMP: sieht nicht gut aus ...
[22:02] < tsa> SMP: ./scripts/Build-Pkg glibc
[22:02] < clifford> also install_init gibt's hier (zumindest kann ich gpm builden und er macht ein neues gpm init script).
[22:03] < clifford> mkdir: cannot create directory `/var/adm/cache': File exists
[22:03] < clifford> .. das wirst du oefters mit dem letzten snap sehen.
[22:03] < SMP> tsa: danke, ich brauche die Installation noch ;)
[22:03] < tsa> SMP: NACK - das geht.
[22:03] < rxr> rene@jackson:~/install > gdb ./setup
[22:03] < rxr> GNU gdb 5.1.1
[22:03] < th> SMP: hast du ne idee warum der 2.2er kernel beim execve("/sbin/init",argv_init,envp_init); oder auch /bin/sh einfach nichts mehr tut?
[22:03] < tsa> glibc 2.2.5 1.7.0-DEV-200202271811
[22:03] < rxr> Starting program: /home/rene/install/./setup
[22:03] < rxr> glibc version: 2.2.5
[22:03] < rxr> Program exited with code 01.
[22:04] < SMP> tsa: ich weiss. dann habe ich aber keine 2.1er mehr, die brauch ich aber
[22:04] < SMP> th: uh
[22:04] < tsa> SMP: wofuer brauchst du ne glibc 2.1?
[22:04] < SMP> alle meine Systeme haben eine?
[22:05] < tsa> Upgrade auf allen? ;)
[22:05] < SMP> Tod und Teufel
[22:05] < rxr> SMP: bis vor ein paar wochen hatte dRock auch noch eine ... - es wird auch noch nen 1.4.2 zum updatedn alters systeme geben ;-)
[22:06] < SMP> ... was mich schmerzhaft an ROCK 1.4.1 erinnert ;-(
[22:06] < huebi> umm 22h10 zeigt sichca ob die glibc tut
[22:06] < rxr> cp drock-1.4.2 rock-1.4.1 ? ;-)
[22:07] < SMP> rxr: 'gehe hin und noetige einen Unpaarhufer deiner Wahr zur Unzucht' ;>
[22:07] < tsa> *ROTFL*
[22:07] < huebi> SMP: Verbraucht world eigendlich schon wieder Strom? ;>
[22:07] < SMP> huebi: *zuck* nein
[22:07] < th> huebi: hehe
[22:08] < th> huebi hat das boese "w"-wort gesagt
[22:08] < th> huebi: aber interessant formuliert.
[22:08] < huebi> th: iCH SAGS AUCH NIE WIEDER...
[22:08] < SMP> ich bin irgendwie den ganzen Tag schon mued. morgen Feiertag, hmm
[22:08] < SMP> mal Bettchen jetzt. cu!
[22:09] < huebi> und passe mit der caps-lock taste auf bevor ich enter druecke.
[22:09] < rxr> SMP: Installing OpenOffice.org on Linux is very easy! - says the hp
[22:09] < huebi> SMP: Schlaf gut.
[22:09] < huebi> SMP: Halt..
[22:10] < tsa> cu SMP
[22:10] < SMP> Simon says, rm -f OOo_1.0.0_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
[22:10] < SMP> huebi: ja?
[22:10] < th> SMP: schlaf gut... traeum von gott und der welt *oups* ;)
[22:10] < huebi> unter rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/OpenOffice_build habe ich alles zusammen kopiert, was bei OO schon funtioniert hat.
[22:11] rxr rm -rf install/ OOo_1.0.0_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
[22:11] < SMP> th: pass auf dass ich nicht auf dem Weg nach Draussen noch am Serverraum vorbei komme ;PP
[22:11] < SMP> huebi: danke
[22:11] < huebi> Ich haette gerne OO in Rock mit drin.
[22:11] SMP springt huebi an die Gurgel
[22:12] rxr ist jetzt was
[22:12] < rxr> aeh isst ;-)
[22:12] < tsa> rxr: oh...was bist du denn jetzt?
[22:12] < tsa> ah ;-)
[22:12] < clifford> rxr: sein oder nicht sein ...
[22:12] < huebi> Funktioniert laut einem Windows Guru (und die sind echt selten!) sehr gut und problemlos mit Excell und word.
[22:13] < rxr> hm muesste man nach neuer deutscher rechtscreibung ja sogar so schreiben - ist ja eckelig ..
[22:13] < huebi> SMP: Das will ich einfach haben. Bisher beste Office Loesung unter Linux .
[22:15] < clifford> huebi: geht sowas eigentlich auch einfacher (hab nicht's in der manpage gefunden): for x in $(ls /usr/local/share/cows/) ; do cowsay -f ${x%.cow} ${x%.cow} ; done
[22:21] < clifford> ich bin weg ...
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[22:21] < huebi> clifford: gute nacht. Ich auch
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[22:22] < clifford> "*$bd$$$$ '*$$$$$$$$$$$o+#"
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[22:22] -!- clifford is now known as clifford_away
[22:23] < huebi> ...und wech#
[22:23] < rxr> cu
[22:23] < th> gehen alle?
[22:23] < th> is schon schliesszeit?
[22:23] tsa ist noch da.
[22:24] < tsa> vorsicht, der bordstein klappt grad noch!
[22:24] < th> *stolper*
[22:24] < huebi> glibc geht nicht *frust*
[22:24] < th> busybox auch nicht
[22:27] < rxr> nein - habe doch nru huebi cu gesagt ;-)
[22:28] < rxr> ich esse nur kurz was - und dann werde ich mal schauen was der 1.7 build macht, ein category update script hacken und die dRock updates nach 1.7 mergen ... ;-)#
[22:33] < th> init.o(.text+0x1264): undefined reference to `printk'
[22:33] < th> wo steckt das
[22:33] < th> ?
[22:34] < th> oder kann das NUR der kernel?
[22:34] < tsa> keine ahnung - sieht nach kernel aus
[22:35] < th> klar das is das printf des kernels sozusagen
[22:35] < th> und irgendwie meine einzige debug moeglichkeit
[22:35] < th> und jetz will ich ins /sbin/init ein paar printks einbauen
[22:36] < clifford_away> th: das geht nicht.
[22:36] < rxr> glibc
[22:36] < praenti> th: printk ist eine funktion die in den kernel-headern definiert ist. im user-space hast du printf
[22:36] < clifford_away> (zumindest nicht ohne den kernel um einen system-call zu erweitern)
[22:37] < rxr> a sorry
[22:37] < th> aber normale printfs sehe ich doch nicht
[22:37] < th> damn
[22:38] < praenti> th: wo?
[22:38] < praenti> printf geht auf die stdin. oder hast du die stdin noch nicht
[22:39] < th> praenti: ich habe ne boot/root disk. mit kernel drauf und rootfs. der kernel mounted das root fs erfolgreich aber beim ausfuehren von /sbin/init oder /bin/sh (ganz gleich) bleibt er haengen
[22:39] < praenti> dann nimmst fprintf und als stream stderr. das muesstest du sehen
[22:40] < th> ok
[22:40] < th> hmm
[22:40] < praenti> hoff ich mal zumindest
[22:40] < th> wo issen printk definiert?
[22:40] < praenti> th: frag mich nicht. hab das buch noch nicht soweit gelesen. oder hast du kernel-docbook da. dann kannst du nachschauen
[22:41] < th> nee hab ich nicht
[22:41] < praenti> mom. ich schau mal nach
[22:41] < th> ich koennte ja auch nach /dev/console schreiben
[22:42] < praenti> will dein init unbedingt printk?
[22:43] < th> ich wollte da printk reinschreiben, weil ich da sicher bin dass ich es sehe
[22:44] < praenti> th: printk muesste in /usr/src/linux/include/linux/kernel.h drin sein
[22:44] < th> asmlinkage int printk(const char * fmt, ...)
[22:44] < th> __attribute__ ((format (printf, 1, 2)));
[22:44] < praenti> soweit ich das sehe ist das ein direkter syscall. ich vermute der muss im kernel-space erfolgen
[22:44] < th> damn
[22:46] < praenti> dann kompilier dir das init neu. und benutze statt printk fprintf mit stderr als stream
[22:46] < th> jo das probier ich....
[22:58] < th> jo geht
[22:58] < th> ich komme an im init. gut
[23:01] < rxr> 0-sysfiles
[23:01] < rxr> Build-Pkg bc command not found ... ??
[23:03] < tsa> hm...
[23:03] < tsa> kein bc installiert?
[23:04] < tsa> oder bezieht sich das not found auf Build-Pkg?
[23:05] < rxr> also bc und time ... habe ich hier .. ;-)
[23:05] < tsa> hm....
[23:05] < tsa> dann ist da irgendwas komisch.
[23:07] < rxr> clifford_away: Hast du die build stages von bc und time verdndert?
[23:08] < rxr> hm - obwohl in dRock sind die auch erst stage-3 ...
[23:08] < tsa> clifford ist weg...
[23:08] < rxr> tsa: er schreibt oefters mit clifford_away ... ;-)
[23:08] < rxr> tsa: siehe oben ;-)
[23:08] < tsa> jupp, ich weiss...
[23:09] < rxr> hehe
[23:09] < tsa> abe4r diesmal scheint er ausnahmsweise wirklich mal weg zu sein ;)
[23:09] < tsa> -4
[23:09] rxr back to a vt
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[23:11] < rxr> hm irgenwie ist das broken - ob ich gerade die nerven habe soetwas zu suchen ...
[23:12] < rxr> yeah!!! ich habe jetzt ssh zugriff auch die kde releases eine woche vor dem release ;-)
[23:13] < rxr> May 8 20:49 kde-3.0.1
[23:14] < rxr> https://slashdot.org/articles/02/05/08/176230.shtml?tid=109
[23:19] praenti is wech
[23:22] < rxr> cu
[23:22] < tsa> cu praenti
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[23:24] < rxr> hi freed
[23:24] < freed> hi
[23:24] < freed> na alles schön?
[23:25] < rxr> sicher ;-)
[23:30] < rxr> und was mach dRock
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[23:32] < snyke> hi ppl
[23:35] < rxr> oh jetzt kopiert scp auch i18n packete von kde - die wollte ich doch gar nicht ...
[23:35] < rxr> hi snyke
[23:41] < rxr> 1.7 drives me crazzy
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