-!- Irrsi Log opened Thu May 09 00:00:06 2002
[00:06] < rxr> s.o. here?
[00:06] < th> bis dann... SO is eingetroffen ;-)
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[00:08] < tsa> ...und wech
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[00:51] < holyolli> re
[00:51] < rxr> hi
[00:51] < holyolli> moin rxr
[00:52] < rxr> Moin ;-)
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[00:53] < chrisime> esden: jo!
[00:57] < esden> hi chrisime
[00:57] < esden> and re hi all others
[00:57] < holyolli> hi esden
[00:58] < snyke> hi esden
[00:58] < snyke> are you here?
[00:59] < chrisime> esden: heh, hab mal die site gecheckt
[01:00] < esden> chrisime: und ?
[01:00] < chrisime> cool
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[01:01] < drako500dB> hi
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[01:05] < esden> chrisime: that is good ... that you like it ;-)
[01:08] < snyke> esden: can you try to ssh to eros plz?
[01:08] < snyke> because i always get an error
[01:10] < esden> snyke: I do not have sholl on eros afaik
[01:16] < holyolli> huebi?
[01:20] < rxr> holyolli: is in his two metre ...
[01:21] < rxr> which stage should be chrooted in 1.7 ?? > 2 ???
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[01:21] < holyolli> rxr: ah....i just wanted to say that his cvs is probably down (or again a layer-8-problem at my side ;-)
[01:22] rxr tracking 1.7 wiredness ...
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[01:29] rxr haare-rauf
[01:30] < holyolli> ./dcc send rxr shampoo ;)
[01:31] < rxr> ./dcc mir lieber patches fuer 1.7 ...
[01:31] < holyolli> hehe
[01:31] < holyolli> <-- macht erst 1.5 zuende ;)
[01:31] < rxr> <-- macht auch dRock ...
[01:31] < rxr> ;-)
[01:32] < holyolli> <-- hat ne freundin ;-Ü
[01:32] < rxr> warum aendert Cliff immer so viel :-( u
[01:32] < holyolli> ;-P even
[01:32] < rxr> holyolli: ja das ist cool
[01:32] < holyolli> rxr: naja...es bleibt weniger zeit fürn rechner ;)
[01:33] < rxr> die koentest du mal ./dcc'en ...
[01:33] < rxr> *g*
[01:33] < holyolli> rxr: die kann zwar linux und so, wird dir aber wohl nicht bei drock helfen
[01:33] < rxr> <-- haeete auch gerne weniger zeit ;-)
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[01:33] < holyolli> hehe /* no comment */
[01:34] < rxr> wieso dRock helfen ??? ;>
[01:34] < holyolli> hrhr
[01:34] < rxr> zum ersten mal waere CVS von Cliffs gehacke doch cool
[01:34] rxr downloading an older snap ;-)
[01:34] < holyolli> hehe
[01:35] < rxr> NNNNNNEEEEEEEEIIIIIIINNNNNNNN
[01:36] < rxr> Hat Cliff alle vor dem May 6 14:57 2072k
[01:36] < rxr> geloescht ???????????????
[01:36] < rxr> Ich brauch nen aelteren !!!!!!
[01:36] < rxr> gruebel gruebel
[01:36] < holyolli> *hmm* save often, save early, make backups ;-)
[01:37] < rxr> ich downloade die snaps nie ...
[01:37] < rxr> bei imr rennt immer ./scripts/Update-Src ...
[01:38] < holyolli> ah
[01:38] < holyolli> whatever.../me muss nu schlafen gehn
[01:38] < rxr> (in nem seperatem tree denn ich dann mit nem Sync tool merge ...)
[01:38] < holyolli> n8ti
[01:38] < rxr> cu
[01:38] < holyolli> viel erfolg noch :)
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[03:07] < rxr> hi
[03:07] < aszlig> hi
[03:11] < rxr> i'm off now - n8
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[04:40] < hackbard> bye
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[05:49] < d3mian> hola
[05:49] < d3mian> :)
[05:54] < d3mian> esden: still here?
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[05:57] < d3mian> hi l_9_l
[05:57] < d3mian> jarod
[05:57] < l_9_l> hi..
[05:58] < l_9_l> wondering coz loggin as a root.. :) ,i've just finished installing ROCK
[05:58] < d3mian> excelent
[05:58] < d3mian> mom
[05:59] < l_9_l> i thought that it will be a nightmare..in contrast--has installed smoothly without any problem at all..
[06:00] < l_9_l> d3mian:r u a developer?
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[06:04] < d3mian> it sounds fibe l_9_l
[06:04] < d3mian> s/fibe/fine
[06:05] < d3mian> no, im not
[06:05] < d3mian> what release did u install?
[06:08] < l_9_l> 1.4
[06:08] < d3mian> ahh, ic
[06:09] < d3mian> it is cool
[06:09] < l_9_l> nothing at all
[06:10] < l_9_l> just the net-script didn't work..if configured it manually..
[06:12] < d3mian> why dont?
[06:12] < d3mian> what message or prob did u get?
[06:13] < l_9_l> it didn't modpobes the module of my nic and the setting of the network..though i've done them during the installation..
[06:15] < d3mian> umm
[06:15] < d3mian> u should insmod ur nic by hand
[06:16] < d3mian> but the net config should work, obviously u cant dispose of the net if the right modules has not been loaded
[06:16] < l_9_l> i did..but at least i dont have to configure the settings of the network again..coz i'd already configured them during the setup
[06:16] < l_9_l> but it works now.. :) i'm on rock for the first time! :)
[06:16] < d3mian> ur right, if the script run fine
[06:17] < d3mian> that's great :)
[06:17] < d3mian> im glad to hear that
[06:18] < l_9_l> i will invite my friends to use it..
[06:19] < l_9_l> btw..is there any counter of the rock's users?
[06:19] < l_9_l> * for the *
[06:21] < l_9_l> nice to meet u d3mian..c u later..
[06:27] < d3mian> hehe
[06:27] < d3mian> cool
[06:28] < d3mian> there is no a counter, i guess
[06:28] < d3mian> cu
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[07:06] < d3mian> arrgg, irc-openproject is not so gut as i though once
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[07:27] < d3mian> hi snyke
[07:38] < huebi> good morning
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[07:42] < d3mian> morning huebi
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[09:18] < d3mian> welcome back huebner
[09:19] d3mian enjoys programming with cool music :)
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[09:35] < anders_> morning ppl
[09:35] < d3mian> good morning anders_
[09:36] < anders_> d3mian: :)
[09:53] < anders_> hmmmm...
[09:54] < anders_> I decided to do something yesterday.. To pull in all the 'unknown' signatures GPG keys to my keyfiles..
[09:55] < anders_> It takes a loooooong time to list all the signatures of all the key-files..
[09:55] < anders_> and my keyring is only about 2MB..
[09:57] < d3mian> hehe
[10:00] < anders_> gpg is chewing a fair bit of CPU as well, just listing the sigs..
[10:02] < anders_> so far, about 5000 unknown signatures...
[10:02] anders_ really need a bigger disk..
[10:05] < d3mian> and i need one to build rock
[10:06] < anders_> d3mian: been there, had that problem..
[10:06] < anders_> :)
[10:07] < anders_> I got hold of a 20GB IBM IDE disk, it was big enough to hold the stuff needed.. That box is currently in Sweden though.. I have to move it back here to UK soon..
[10:09] < blindcoder> good morning everyone *yawns*
[10:10] < d3mian> good murning blindcoder
[10:10] < d3mian> well, my hd just has 10Gb, and 2 of them are shared with uni
[10:11] < anders_> re blindcoder
[10:11] < anders_> d3mian: you should be able to get hold of 60GB IDE disks reasonably cheap now..
[10:11] < anders_> lemme check what they are here in UK..
[10:12] < d3mian> ahh, u are from UK!
[10:12] < d3mian> im from costa rica
[10:13] < anders_> Aahh.. :)
[10:13] < d3mian> nowadays, there is a bit of difference in the price of 30 and 60 gbytes
[10:14] < anders_> In UK, a 60GB UDMA133 Maxtor is 103 UKP, and a Samsung 60GB UDMA100 is 80 UKP
[10:14] < d3mian> ohh, ic
[10:14] < anders_> d3mian: it is starting to be difficult finding disks smaller than 40GB here..
[10:15] < d3mian> well, here still there are 20Gb HDs
[10:16] < d3mian> brb -> delivering a lot of yellow liquid
[10:16] < anders_> A 40GB Western Digital UDMA100 is 65 UKP
[10:17] < anders_> https://www.dabs.com
[10:24] < d3mian> i have a wd hd
[10:24] < d3mian> udma100
[10:25] < d3mian> a 60 hd here, cost around 100 bill gates dollars
[10:25] < anders_> Western Digital is alright.. I'd prefer Seagate or Fujitsu though..
[10:25] < d3mian> i prefer Segate too ;)
[10:27] < anders_> I prefer SCSI to IDE, but cost means I can't afford SCSI..
[10:28] < d3mian> yes, me too
[10:28] < d3mian> even i love scsi devices
[10:36] < anders_> Perhaps I can afford more SCSI things next year.
[10:36] < d3mian> why next year?
[10:38] < anders_> to much things to get this year.. moving house, having to get a new car... :-(
[10:38] < d3mian> ic, well, my prob is studying and not enough time to get a full time job
[10:43] < anders_> d3mian: that usually prevents you from doing quite a lot of interesting stufff..
[10:43] < anders_> -f
[10:45] < d3mian> i know
[10:45] < d3mian> i hope finish this semestre soon!!
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[11:10] < blindcoder> is the kernel on the install-disks the same one as the installed kernel? I need framebuffer on my system
[11:12] < d3mian> blindcoder: yes
[11:12] < d3mian> i guess
[11:14] < blindcoder> thanks ;) then i can (finally) install ROCK on my workstation today ;)
[11:15] < d3mian> cool
[11:15] < d3mian> l_9_l did it a few hours ago too
[11:15] < blindcoder> I've been busy customizing 1.5.14 for 4 weeks now
[11:16] < d3mian> ok
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[11:18] < d3mian> hi simon
[11:19] < blindcoder> hi simon
[11:55] < d3mian> is too late here
[11:55] < d3mian> :(
[12:01] < snyke_>
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[12:18] < d3mian> hello snike
[12:19] < d3mian> what a lot of ppl
[12:19] < d3mian> hi all
[12:19] < blindcoder> re-hi
[12:20] blindcoder currently bruning away lots of stuff from his harddisk that can't be backed up on another computer...
[12:26] < praenti> moin
[12:26] < blindcoder> moin praenti
[12:27] < snyke> praenti?
[12:28] < d3mian> hi boys
[12:29] < d3mian> praenti: what about ur plan to come to Costa Rica with esden?
[12:31] < praenti> d3mian: seems to be a problem for me. for esden it is more important to make a itanium-port in summer with armijn somewhere in holland
[12:31] -!- blindcoder is now known as blindy|eat
[12:31] < praenti> d3mian: and i need monay because of my damaged notebook
[12:31] < praenti> s/monay/money
[12:31] < d3mian> umm, ic
[12:32] < d3mian> well, if u think u can come here some time, advise us
[12:32] < praenti> d3mian: i will.
[12:32] < d3mian> ur welcome here
[12:33] < d3mian> :)
[12:34] < esden> morgaehhhhhn
[12:34] < d3mian> ohh, time passes to fast, it's 04:31 here
[12:34] < esden> morning
[12:34] < d3mian> morning esden
[12:36] < snyke> hmmm
[12:36] < snyke> can sb. tell me what i've to do?
[12:36] < snyke> tar: can't open /dev/sa0 : Device not configured
[12:36] < d3mian> esden: where might i send u the summary?
[12:36] < snyke> o.o
[12:37] < praenti> snyke: what option doi you give tar
[12:37] < snyke> -c
[12:38] < d3mian> -C
[12:38] < snyke> hmm
[12:39] < snyke> --create also doesn't work
[12:39] < snyke> >_<
[12:40] < praenti> snyke: tar cvf *.tar directory
[12:40] < d3mian> umm
[12:42] < d3mian> esden !
[12:42] < esden> hmm irneresting ... on lkml come patches for hotplug cpu's
[12:43] < esden> d3mian: send it to esden@www.rocklinux.net
[12:43] < d3mian> ok
[12:43] < esden> d3mian: send it to esden@rocklinux.org !!!
[12:46] < d3mian> sent
[12:47] < snyke> thx @ praenti
[12:47] < esden> d3mian: there is no attachment ...
[12:47] < d3mian> umm, let me check
[12:48] < d3mian> check it again esden
[12:48] < esden> now it is ok
[12:48] < d3mian> :)
[12:49] < d3mian> is it fine?
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[12:50] < d3mian> hi ringo78
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[12:58] < blindcoder> back
[13:00] < snyke> re blindcoder
[13:01] < d3mian> i have to leave now
[13:02] < blindcoder> bye d3mian
[13:02] < d3mian> i reach to see the sun shining
[13:02] < ringo78> bye d3mian
[13:02] < d3mian> :p
[13:02] < d3mian> bye
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[13:10] < term_aweh> hoi
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[13:28] < hackbard> hi
[13:45] < rxr> re
[13:50] < hackbard> puh, finally got the install shell extraxting packages on my old broken pentium 60
[13:51] < hackbard> i would suggest to not have this ide bugfix stuff in the install kernel
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[13:58] < netcrow> hi
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[14:10] < hackbard> rxr: do you know anything new about the u5's ?
[14:12] < rxr> hi hackbard
[14:13] < rxr> hackbard: I now they are delayed
[14:13] < hackbard> hi rene
[14:13] < hackbard> delayed=given to POST?
[14:16] < rxr> hackbard: no idea ...
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[14:19] huebi reading log...
[14:19] < rxr> moin huebi
[14:22] < rxr> hackbard: should get a U5, too?
[14:23] < rxr> ah yes - I remeber ...
[14:23] < rxr> ah kdelibs-3.0.1 is ready ;-)
[14:25] < huebi> moin! all together :-)
[14:25] < hackbard> moin huebi!
[14:26] < hackbard> rxr: jo, wollte sie dir doch sogar zuerts ueberlassen, bevor miguel abgesprungen ist :p
[14:26] < hackbard> apropos kdelibs, ich habe es bis heute noch nicht geschafft das prog zu bauen ;)
[14:26] < rxr> warum nicht (kdelibs)?
[14:27] < rxr> : /.:AbiWord is small and compact (20 times smaller than OpenOffice!),
[14:27] < rxr> super und 1/20 der funktionalitaet ...
[14:27] < hackbard> hehe
[14:28] < rxr> (wenn ueberhaupt ...)
[14:28] < hackbard> schon wieder vergessen, lann es spaeter mal nochmal probieren ..
[14:28] < esden> next version of rolling rock irc summary is out : https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/rollingrock/rollingrock.1
[14:28] < hackbard> hi esden!
[14:31] < rxr> esden: sieht gut aus!
[14:31] < rxr> Aber ein Satz: Although and Cliff said it would be pretty dirty.
[14:31] < rxr> ??
[14:31] < rxr> (Ich ueberfliege gerade nur ... :-)
[14:33] < rxr> so kde-3.0.1 ist jetzt auf meiner box ...
[14:33] < huebi> Ich habe gerade mit ripclaw gesprochen:
[14:34] < huebi> Die Ultra 5en gehen fruehestens am Montag bei ihm raus :-)
[14:35] < rxr> ooooooohhhhhhhhhh ::-((((((
[14:35] < hackbard> hehe :)
[14:36] < huebi> rxr: Hast du irgendwo deine Quellen fuer mich zugaenglich?
[14:36] < esden> rxr: hmm ... dass ist nich fertig dass ding ... dass ist nur ein vorschlag wie man sowas machen kann
[14:36] < rxr> huebi: du weisst das es das offiziel erst in ner woche gibt ;-)
[14:36] < esden> rxr: dass ist echt sehr zeitaufwendig ...
[14:37] < esden> da muss ich mir ueberlegen wie ich die zeit der bearbeitung kuerzen kann
[14:37] < rxr> esden: ich weiss! Ich finde es ja auch super! Mir ist nur der eine Satz aufgefallen ;-) ...
[14:37] < huebi> rxr: Macht nichts. I ch meinte auch eher deinen rock tree
[14:37] < rxr> huebi: ? Souce oder packete?
[14:38] < rxr> fuer cut'n paste von packet configurationen ?
[14:38] < huebi> source, also .ext .pz ...
[14:38] < rxr> ah
[14:38] < rxr> was moechtest du denn? rsync ftp/http zum browsen ?
[14:39] < huebi> ftp ist gut
[14:41] < rxr> ok - in progress
[14:41] < huebi> rxr: danke
[14:46] rxr rsync rennt
[14:47] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/source/
[14:47] < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/source/
[14:47] < rxr> suchst du gerade was bestimmtes?
[14:51] < huebi> rxr: Im Moment nicht. Aber es ist oft sehr hilfreich wenn irgend etwas nicht funktioniert, mal bei Dir nach zu sehen.
[14:52] < rxr> ;-)
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[14:58] < huebi> hi tomik
[14:58] < tomik> hello huebi
[15:22] rxr compiling kde-3.0.1 ...
[15:23] huebi installing rock on Ultra 30
[15:24] rxr wuere auch gerne ...
[15:26] < huebi> rxr: You can get your U5 with ROCKlinux preinstalled.
[15:28] < huebi> rxr: If you want..
[15:29] < huebi> ahh. set-defaults in OBP makes miracles become true
[15:30] < rxr> huebi: no ;-)
[15:30] < rxr> Thanks
[15:30] < huebi> rxr: You don't want it? really?
[15:31] < huebi> why?
[15:32] < rxr> because I wnat to figure out how to install it myself ...
[15:33] < huebi> hmm. The non written or forgotten tricks a on that disk...
[15:33] < huebi> but you can erase it.
[15:33] < huebi> of course
[15:42] < rxr> heisst Cliffs asci-art von letzer nacht das er heute unterwegs ist ? :-(
[15:42] < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/cowsay_3.03.orig.tar.gz
[15:43] < huebi> rxr: jo
[15:43] < rxr> :-( shit - dann muss ich 1.7 wohl selber zu ende fixen ...
[15:43] huebi now has advertise banners
[15:43] < huebi> ;)
[15:43] < huebi> rxr: Vile Spass und Erfolg
[15:44] < rxr> where are your advertise banners ?
[15:45] < rxr> huebi: btw: Do you know where I can disable Apache's filename lengh limiting for directory browsing? I have not found this yet ...
[15:47] < huebi> no, I don't.
[15:48] < huebi> 15:42 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/cowsay_3.03.orig.tar.gz <- advertise banner ;)
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[16:10] < huebi> I testet the version of the Open Boot Prom. It's ok.
[16:10] < huebi> SMP: Are you here?
[16:11] < SMP> yes.
[16:11] < SMP> (_don't ask about world)
[16:11] < huebi> kool
[16:12] < huebi> SMP: No I don't. I first ping the world before I ask.
[16:12] < huebi> hmm. I forgot what I wanted to ask. Excuse me, please.
[16:13] < SMP> hehe ;)
[16:15] < huebi> SMP: I still have another 4 SCSI disks of the sort you got...
[16:15] < huebi> SMP: Could you boot your SGI from the Pioneer CDRON? <- That was the Question.
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[16:15] < SMP> ahh
[16:16] < SMP> no, the drive can't (physically) read the boot cdrom
[16:16] < SMP> the cdrom works with other drives
[16:16] < SMP> and the drive of course works with other cdroms
[16:16] < SMP> :-(
[16:17] < huebi> SMP: If you use the CD-Rom on your SGI you can't boot from it?
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[16:24] < SMP> no, obviously not
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[17:17] rxr needs a faster box again ;-)
[17:17] < huebi> rxr: E15K?
[17:18] < rxr> for example ;-)
[17:19] < rxr> but a dual Athlon 2.5 GHz would also be a nice step forward ;-)
[17:19] < huebi> rxr: better a few Origin 3800. They will last at least a few weeks.
[17:20] < huebi> rxr: If you bye 5 of them SGI will double it's "Umsatz"
[17:22] < praenti> re
[17:24] < rxr> huebi: yeah they would be really cool - could you find a sponsor ? *g*
[17:26] < huebi> rxr: Much cheaper it is to find one somewhere in the internet. With open root account. You have full support. And if it's on the other side of the earth you can use it the whole day while your service team is sleeping.
[17:46] < rxr> so kde libs and base finished
[18:06] < praenti> so etz hab ich keinen bock mehr zu patchen
[18:07] < huebi> praenti: Was geht ab? ;-)
[18:07] < praenti> nix. bloß ich bin die letzten Tage nur am patchen gewesen. schon ins changelog vom cvs reingeschaut?
[18:08] < praenti> ich hoffe mal dass ich den rest dann morgen schaffe.
[18:08] praenti will am samstag compilen
[18:08] < huebi> praenti: mach' ich sobald die U30 ihr rock linux installiert.
[18:09] < praenti> huebi: die trottel bei sf haben nämlich direkte downloads gesperrt. jetzt muss man mirror benutzen...
[18:10] < huebi> hmm. Echte Bandbreitengeizhaelse. Die haben wohl richtig schlecht Vertraege...
[18:10] < huebi> +e
[18:16] < praenti> und drin
[18:17] < huebi> praenti: ??
[18:17] < praenti> ca. 70% von den exts downloaden wieder
[18:17] < huebi> praenti: Super, gute Aktion von dir.
[18:17] < huebi> Ich mache sofort mal ein ChangeLog
[18:18] < praenti> im base waren auch ein paar. ich hoffe mal die portierer keine neuen patches brauchen.
[18:18] < praenti> ...dass...
[18:24] < praenti> wau. das is ja ein richtiger batzen gewesen
[18:24] < huebi> Changelog ist da
[18:24] < rxr> praenti: hast du ein script dafuer benutzt ?
[18:24] < praenti> habs gelesen.
[18:24] < praenti> rxr: was für ein script?
[18:25] < rxr> zum konvertieren der download URLs
[18:25] < praenti> rxr: für die sf-downloads?
[18:25] < rxr> jups
[18:25] < praenti> rxr: hast du eins?
[18:25] < rxr> ?
[18:25] < rxr> ich wollte das doch jetzt ovn dir bekommen *g*
[18:26] < huebi> *lol*
[18:26] < rxr> sed -e "bla bla " sollte doch ausreichen ... ?
[18:26] < praenti> aso. nee da bin ich erst zu spät draufgekommen. mir ist erst bei der hälfte aufgefallen, dass sf mirrors nur noch lässt
[18:26] < rxr> praenti: wir muessen ja 1.7 und dRock auch noch adaptieren ...
[18:26] < rxr> ok ich mach das dann ...
[18:27] < praenti> rxr: ich hab auch deshalb kein script gebaut, weil ich die version noch mit durchgesehen hab.
[18:27] < huebi> praenti: Wie war noch mal die URL von QOS?
[18:27] < praenti> huebi: mom
[18:27] < rxr> praenti: oh das hat vermutlich richtig lange gedauert ;-)
[18:29] < praenti> huebi: https://www.prout.be/qos/
[18:29] < praenti> rxr: naja. ging eigentlich doch recht schnell. dank der guten bedienung in kde
[18:29] < rxr> praenti: ?
[18:29] praenti versteht deshalb esden und blidcoder nicht
[18:30] rxr auch nicht
[18:30] < rxr> aber welche bedienung im speziellen meinst du gerade ?
[18:30] < praenti> rxr: kde-console. shift+pfeillinks/pfeiilrechts
[18:30] < snyke> praenti?
[18:30] < snyke> bzw. esden?
[18:31] < praenti> das ist extrem schnelles consolen wechseln
[18:31] < snyke> ne was andere
[18:31] < snyke> s
[18:31] < snyke> mein ich
[18:31] < snyke> https://www.seelus.de/Claus/scann/ <- denkst du das gibt aerger?
[18:31] < snyke> scan quer uebers bingo-ev
[18:31] < praenti> snyke: esden nimmt doch immer so schmale windowmanager (ala evilwm oder blackbox)
[18:32] < rxr> kwm ist auch "schmal" - der rest ist kein window manager ;-)
[18:32] < praenti> rxr: jo
[18:32] < rxr> aber KDE ROCK wirklich - interesse and 3.0.1 binaries in ein paar stunden?
[18:33] < snyke> praenti: gesehen?
[18:33] < praenti> rxr: wo hast du die her?
[18:33] < praenti> snyke: wer ist das?
[18:33] < rxr> ssh fuer packager ;-)
[18:34] < praenti> rxr: ich compilier mir das zur Zeit immer selbst direkt aus dem CVS raus
[18:34] < rxr> kde-3.0.0 war ja leider etwas instable ...
[18:34] < snyke> praenti: siehe titel
[18:34] < snyke> das bin NICHT ich!!!
[18:34] < praenti> hab ich auch festgestellt. die cvs-version ist da wesentlich besser
[18:35] < rxr> praenti: ah CVS is auch ok ;-) Nur fuer dRock-1.6.0 brauche ich was stabileres as 3.0.0.
[18:35] < snyke> KokoB (18:25): https://www.seelus.de/Claus/scann/ <- Was da alles im Ingolstadt.de Netzwerke is .. Tz
[18:35] snyke @ essen
[18:39] < rxr> should categories like browser editor or emulators put into the plural form ?
[18:40] < huebi> praenti: danke
[18:43] < rxr> hm the kde-3.0.1 graphic seems to be much smother ;-)
[18:45] < praenti> rxr: if you want more graphical gimmicks in kde use liquid-mosfet style
[18:46] < rxr> praenti: I do ;-)
[18:46] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/me/gp3/gallery.html
[18:46] < praenti> rxr: ok. i have the same
[18:46] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock-screens.html
[18:46] < rxr> praenti: liquid-mosfet is also included in 1.7 and dRock *g*
[18:47] rxr wondering a new screenshot of my currently anti-aliased fonts only desktop would be nice ...
[18:50] praenti goes eating and then in the city
[18:50] < praenti> cya
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[18:50] < rxr> cu2
[18:50] < huebi> by praenti|away
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[19:20] < rxr> hi chrisime
[19:35] < chrisime> esden: da?
[19:35] < chrisime> rxr: hi
[19:59] < rxr> kde 3.0.1 binaries continue to show up at:
[19:59] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/various-updates/
[20:00] chrisime hates kde
[20:00] < chrisime> it's "BUTT UGLY"
[20:00] < rxr> what?
[20:00] < chrisime> yes
[20:01] < rxr> kde?
[20:01] < chrisime> yes
[20:01] < chrisime> and it's slow
[20:01] < rxr> if you think so ...
[20:01] < chrisime> and consumes much mem
[20:02] < chrisime> i know it
[20:02] < chrisime> i will test it and compare it again
[20:02] < chrisime> ...against gnome2
[20:02] < rxr> what do you currently use?
[20:02] < rxr> gnome ? *wunder*
[20:02] < chrisime> ya
[20:02] < rxr> urgh
[20:02] < chrisime> rxr: www.gnome.org/~chrisime/pix
[20:03] < rxr> and nautilus is not slow ?
[20:04] < chrisime> no
[20:04] < chrisime> klick
[20:04] < chrisime> and it opens
[20:04] < chrisime> 2 seconds at the most
[20:04] < chrisime> rxr: www.gnome.org/~chrisime/pix/ggv_in_nauti.png
[20:05] < chrisime> gnome comsumes <48 MB incl. nautilus
[20:05] < chrisime> now check kde
[20:05] < chrisime> kde is for machines > 1 GHz
[20:05] < rxr> chrisime: I do not discuss such questions anymore
[20:05] < rxr> what do you do for Gnome?
[20:05] < chrisime> i don't think they'll manage to get it quicker/less mem consuming till 3.2
[20:06] < chrisime> rxr: das is einfach wahr
[20:06] < chrisime> rxr: ich habs hier drauf
[20:06] < chrisime> und es ist *langsam*
[20:06] < chrisime> ich brauch kein winxp 2.version
[20:06] < rxr> 3.0 is much faster than the 2.2 series
[20:06] < chrisime> no
[20:06] < rxr> chrisime: do you programm gnome stuff ?
[20:06] < chrisime> tested it
[20:08] < rxr> chrisime: I now it is more than 10% faster - and I know how buggy gtk+ gtkmm ist ...
[20:08] < chrisime> 1.2
[20:09] < rxr> gtkmm 1.3 is even more buggy - and the half not implemented ...
[20:12] < rxr> GSMP will move to another toolkit - this stuff is really no basis for a serious project ...
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[20:21] < cap> <-- back with dRock
[20:21] < cap> anyone alive?
[20:21] < rxr> already installed ?
[20:21] < cap> yup
[20:21] < rxr> jups hi cap
[20:21] < cap> :-) dRock's fine
[20:21] < rxr> Nice to hear!
[20:22] < cap> (but its not idiot-proof)
[20:22] < rxr> ;-) yes it is not
[20:23] < rxr> what was not that idiot proof?
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[20:24] < martin_b> hi all, hi rxr
[20:24] < rxr> hi
[20:25] < martin_b> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/unstable/various-updates/
[20:25] < martin_b> alles mit kdexxx ?
[20:25] < rxr> erhm arts und qt und kdoc auch ...
[20:25] < rxr> eigendlich alles ...
[20:25] < martin_b> ups. qt ist schon wieder neu?
[20:25] < rxr> martin_b: dein formular sieht gut aus!
[20:26] < rxr> jups
[20:26] < rxr> martin_b: da fehlen aber noch ein paar packete - die strudeln so nach und nach ein
[20:26] < rxr> du kannst aber auch alte und neue mixen ...
[20:26] < martin_b> Danke. das kann man bei ueber 600 Zeilen auch erwarten. Muss es aber noch dem IE einwenig anpassen ... *wuerg*
[20:27] < martin_b> Immer wenn ich etwas unter various-updates/ finde ist es neu und gut fuer mich?
[20:28] < rxr> das hoffe ich ...
[20:29] < martin_b> okay. kannst dir ja mal deinen upload angucken ... ;-)
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[20:46] < Mike1> hi
[20:46] < Mike1> d3m|away
[20:46] < Mike1> 12:51pm up 18:52, 1 user, load average: 17.67, 21.73, 12.75
[20:51] < rxr> now most packages are ready mostly kdevelop and koffice are missing
[20:51] < rxr> but sponsoring a faster CPU would speed this up *hint*
[20:54] < Mike1> rxr :)
[20:55] < rxr> hi Mike1 how are you?
[20:55] < Mike1> rxr pretty good thanks and you?
[20:55] Mike1 working harder than ever
[20:56] < rxr> Godd, too ,) (still waiting for the U5 :-( - huebi said it should get send next monday ...)
[20:57] < rxr> martin_b: btw. does you xemacs work currently? - and loads your one critical .html file correct=
[20:58] < Mike1> rxr I would give you access to my U5 but i made a pretty nice bussiness with it
[20:58] < Mike1> i set up a mail server for the company i work for on it because they really needed a mail server running on sparc box
[20:58] < Mike1> and now they will buy me a Blade 100 :)
[20:59] < rxr> Mike1: Oh!
[21:03] < Mike1> rxr what do u think?
[21:04] < martin_b> rxr: Yes, it works good.
[21:05] < rxr> Although I do not know why you need a mail server on a Sun ... - but having a Blade 100 to play with is definetely nice ;-)
[21:05] < rxr> martin_b: could you stress konqui and the kicker? Would be nice to know if the sporadic crash bugs are gone ;-)
[21:07] < Mike1> rxr i dont care about they deciding to use a sun for mail server, but trading an U5 for a Blade 100 is great deal i think :)
[21:10] < martin_b> rxr: the kicker ist perfect. konqi okay. but the kde is very very slow!
[21:10] < rxr> martin_b: ? why ?
[21:10] < rxr> different than 3.0 or 2.2.2 ?
[21:15] Mike1 console rulez :)
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[21:17] < thalerim> hello
[21:17] < Mike1> hi thalerim
[21:17] < martin_b> rxr: why? I don't know. konqi needs 3s to start. The Konsole, too.
[21:18] < thalerim> hi Mike1 :-]
[21:19] < huebi> hi Mike1 , hi thalerim
[21:19] < Mike1> hello huebi
[21:20] < rxr> was 3.0 or 2.2.2 faster for you?
[21:20] thalerim salutes.
[21:20] < thalerim> hallo huebi ;-)
[21:21] < huebi> Mike1: running a mailserver on Sparc is a very good decision. There are only a few exploits known only by a few people. No script kiddies like on intel.
[21:21] < Mike1> huebi hehe yeap running linux
[21:21] thalerim is away: eating
[21:21] < thalerim> bbl. (mjammm)
[21:22] < huebi> Mike1: even better with Linux. Solaris exploits are more often and known faster in the wild, wild net.
[21:23] < huebi> a fix for the xntp-deamon needed 6-7 months on solaris.
[21:23] < rxr> martin_b: ping
[21:23] < Mike1> huebi hehe yeah i really like the way it is working
[21:23] < Mike1> huebi how do u set time on solaris?
[21:24] < rxr> martin_b: (the C++ application startup time can be decreesed by > 75 % with a hacks - but the last time I tried this it was not stable ...)
[21:24] < huebi> with date. or in the Open Boot Prom
[21:26] < Mike1> hehe
[21:27] < Mike1> can i ask u another question regarding solaris?
[21:27] < huebi> Mike1: of course, yes.
[21:28] < Mike1> huebi how do i start the ftp daemon?
[21:28] Mike1 has never been admin of a solaris server
[21:28] < huebi> Mike1: uncomment it in /etc/inetd.conf.
[21:29] < huebi> Mike1: do you need OpenSSH on Solaris?
[21:29] < martin_b> rxr: ohh, wieviele Parkete folgen jetzt noch?
[21:29] < Mike1> huebi the server is in canada i can only access it with ssh :)
[21:30] < huebi> can you make a telnet on port 22 on that server?
[21:31] < rxr> koffice kde-i18n-* kde-dRock ...
[21:31] < huebi> Mike1: What version do you have (ssh) does the server say?
[21:31] < Mike1> mom i will have a look
[21:32] < huebi> Mike1: SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.1p1 <- rock 1.5.14
[21:32] < Mike1> huebi no but it is running solaris 5.7
[21:32] < Mike1> huebi nice
[21:32] < huebi> Mike1: telnet <servername> 22 ?
[21:33] < huebi> Mike1: I ask that because of the local user root exploit.
[21:33] < Mike1> it doesnt work
[21:34] < huebi> Mike1: ssh -vvv <servername> ?
[21:35] < huebi> Mike1: ssh -v <servername> ? One -v is enough.
[21:35] < huebi> Mike1: in the first line you get the ssh version
[21:36] < Mike1> huebi mom i was trying to do the telnet command from a host that hast no permitions to make any kind of connections
[21:36] < huebi> :-))
[21:36] < Mike1> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.1p1
[21:36] < Mike1> heh
[21:36] < huebi> Mike1: That's ok and secure.
[21:36] < Mike1> *g
[21:38] < huebi> Mike1: My experiece is that normaly all unsecure services are disabled when OpenSSH is installed.
[21:39] < Mike1> gut :)
[21:39] huebi booting solaris
[21:39] Mike1 will need huebi to teach him about solaris boxes admin
[21:40] thalerim is back (gone 00:18:45)
[21:41] < thalerim> hey huebi: have you ever dreamt to a song of Deine Lakaeien?
[21:41] < huebi> thalerim: no.
[21:42] < thalerim> ok, i will upload.. but tell me the server again, please (i re-installed my ftp-client, so the config was removed)
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[21:47] < huebi> thalerim: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload
[21:47] < thalerim> thx
[21:51] SMP going $HOME
[21:51] < thalerim> huebi: i will upload only the best ones (5/6)
[21:51] < huebi> thalerim: ok
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[21:59] < huebi> Mike1: You need that line:
[21:59] < huebi> ftp stream tcp6 nowait root /usr/sbin/in.ftpd in.ftpd
[21:59] < huebi> in /etc/inetd.conf
[21:59] < huebi> for ftp services
[22:00] < huebi> no # in front of it!
[22:02] < Mike1> huebi yes i already did it Master :) thank you
[22:02] < simon--> tcp6 wasn't this for ipv6?
[22:04] < thalerim> tcp&=
[22:05] < thalerim> tcp6?
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[22:16] < thalerim> huebi: listen to Deine Lakaien - Garden !
[22:16] < thalerim> very very good :-)
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[22:26] < rxr> martin_b: and result?
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[22:28] < martin_b> rxr: Hi. KDE 3.0.1 works.
[22:28] < rxr> faster?
[22:29] < rxr> btw the 3.0 kicker crashed often for me - I wonder that this has not yet happend for you ...
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[22:30] < wschlich> heyho
[22:31] < martin_b> The kicker crashed never. But KDE is not really faster.
[22:31] < rxr> nice
[22:31] < rxr> how much?
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[22:33] < martin_b> Wie soll ich da einen Unterschied beschreiben?
[22:34] < rxr> egal
[22:35] < martin_b> Konsole startet schneller und das Verschieben des Kickers geht jetzt viel schneller und besser.
[22:35] < rxr> ich baue ueber nach KDE mal wieder prelinked (sollte startup zeit um ca 75% verringern) mal sehen ob es diesmal tut ...
[22:36] rxr so alle KDE-3.0.1 binareis sind jetzt fertig
[22:40] rxr browsing files over ssh in konqi
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[22:41] rxr impressed
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[22:42] < tsa> tag
[22:43] < huebi> hi tsa
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[22:44] < tsa> hi huebi
[22:45] tsa deleting 90 cvs change mails
[22:45] < tsa> *sigh*
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[22:47] < tsa> ~root@ ?
[22:47] < tsa> uh.
[22:47] < l_9_l> :D
[22:48] < l_9_l> i'm in lan..:D even though i shouldn't log as root..
[22:49] < l_9_l> anyway..hi
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[22:50] < cap> rxr: whats libORBitCosNaming.so.0 ? its missing, so gnome doesnt start
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[22:50] huebi is burning suse-sparc-7.3-CD1.iso. splack does not boot on U30
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[22:51] < rxr> cap: sec
[22:51] < tsa> huebi: have fun with yast ;-)
[22:51] < rxr> cap: you installed orbit ?
[22:51] < cap> hm i guess i forgot..
[22:52] < cap> what about dependencies in rock?
[22:52] < huebi> tsa: No! I just boot the rescue system.
[22:52] < rxr> ROCK 2.0 will have dependecies ;-)
[22:52] < cap> nice :-)
[22:52] < chrisime> jo!
[22:52] < rxr> (auto generated - not hardcoded like on all other dists ;-)
[22:56] < rxr> cap: you can simply untar the package in your running system ...
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[23:11] cap is goin to start gnome
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[23:19] < rxr> martin_b: I just started to build prelinked kde binaries which should start magnitudes faster (if they work)
[23:19] < tsa> rxr: why will they be fster?
[23:19] < tsa> faster even
[23:20] < martin_b> rxr: what is prelink? *...???...*
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[23:21] < rxr> because the symbols of all the virtual functions and templates do not need to be relocated during runtime / startup
[23:21] < cap> :)
[23:21] < rxr> they can be already relocated during compile-time - this was a long missing feature of the gcc / binutils toolchain
[23:21] < tsa> hm...interesting..
[23:22] < rxr> it is included in the 2.12.90 binutils ;-)
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[23:22] < tsa> i've noticed a precompiled galeon from an RH rpm package starting up faster on a slower machine than my galeon built from source - is this the same thing?
[23:22] < rxr> before this it was ditributed as stand-alone .c file for research tests ;-)
[23:22] < rxr> tsa: this might indeed be possible
[23:23] < rxr> but maybe more a mozilla build issue ...
[23:23] < rxr> mozilla is more c++ than galeon is ...
[23:23] < tsa> hm...ok..
[23:23] < rxr> this prelink thing is c++ specific
[23:23] < tsa> is there a way to include this kind of prelinking into the rock build scripts?
[23:23] < rxr> galeon consist of C and C++ ...
[23:24] rxr taking a look into mozilla ;-)
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[23:29] < martin_b> rxr: Beim Verschieben eines Fensters bekomme ich locker 80 bis 99 % CPU-Belastung. Soll das so sein?
[23:30] < rxr> kommt darauf and
[23:31] < rxr> prinzipjell macht das deine hardware
[23:31] < rxr> wenn aber im neu aufgedecktem hintergrund komplexe sachen angezeigt werden, muss doch deine CPU ein paar sachen zusammenrechnen
[23:31] < martin_b> Ja, meine arme CPU ;-)
[23:32] < martin_b> War bei KDE 2.2.2, dRock 1.4.x aber nicht so extrem
[23:32] < rxr> z.b. andere fenster aufwendige gradienten auf hintergrundbildern ...
[23:32] < rxr> hatest du da schon nen hintergrund-bild mit on-the-fly farbverlauf ?
[23:33] < rxr> under windows hast du die gleiche auslastung - da siehst du das nur nicht ;-)
[23:33] < tsa> rxr: so do you think there could some optimizing be done with mozilla / galeon?
[23:34] < rxr> tsa: still taking a look - just finished grepping qt
[23:34] < tsa> ok
[23:35] huebi is cycle booting the sun...
[23:37] tsa nearly spent 1500 USD for a U60 on ebay yesterday..
[23:37] < rxr> tsa: thinking about this mozilla might not be accelerateable, because they do not use templates and virtual functions (that often) because they do not work with older / broken C++ compilers at all ...
[23:37] < tsa> rxr: ok, i understand
[23:38] < rxr> tsa: hatten wir letzen die sidkussion ueber qt threaded oder nicht?
[23:39] < tsa> rxr: uhm....keine ahnung...da war ich zumindest hier nicth dabei..
[23:39] < rxr> oder war das th ?
[23:40] < rxr> kdelibs hat naemlich:
[23:40] < rxr> --disable-threading disables threading even if libpthread found
[23:40] < rxr> ups sorry wronf line
[23:40] < rxr> --disable-mt link to non-threaded Qt (deprecated)
[23:43] < rxr> here are the theories about prelinking:
[23:43] < rxr> https://leon.bottou.com/objprelink/
[23:43] tsa reading
[23:47] < rxr> shortly after the first test versions I also tried a drock (last october) with prelinking enabled
[23:47] < rxr> but the resulting binraies did nothing ...
[23:52] < huebi> n8
[23:52] < rxr> guten schlaf!
[23:52] < martin_b> bye
[23:52] < Mike1> i have an issue here
[23:52] < Mike1> opinion mailman or minimalist?
[23:53] < Mike1> what would you huys recomend?
[23:53] < rxr> tsa: the build-in support in binutils is invocen by "-z nocopyreloc"
[23:53] < Mike1> s/h/g
[23:53] < rxr> I'll try it out ;-)
[23:53] < rxr> erhm and -z combreloc
[23:53] < rxr> COOOOL: * Support for the OpenRISC 32-bit embedded processor by OpenCores.
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[23:55] < tsa> Mike1: mailman
[23:56] < tsa> minimalist handles the rock linux mailing list - and it seems to be damn slow..
[23:56] < d3m|away> hi
[23:56] < d3m|away> brb
[23:56] < tsa> hi d3m|away
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[23:56] < Mike1> tsa ever tryed mailman?
[23:56] < d3mian> hola todos
[23:56] < Mike1> d3mian hi
[23:56] < tsa> Mike1: yes, we're using it at work and it's doing fine..
[23:57] < Mike1> it doesnt have the cc limit users issue that majordomo has does it?
[23:57] < tsa> hm...never tried that one..
[23:58] < Mike1> tsa mm ok thanks for your recomendation
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