--- Log opened Tue May 14 00:00:02 2002 --- Day changed Tue May 14 2002 00:00 < huebi> esden: binutils 2.12.90.0.4 compiles on sparc ;>> 00:00 < huebi> debuging via screenshot. kool! 00:01 < esden> haha 00:01 < rxr> esden: waere nen cooler ROCK screeshot ;-) 00:01 < esden> this is a problem with the tools that clifford wrote for rock ... 00:01 < esden> rxr: sicher !!! 00:02 < rxr> esden: soll ich den auf: 00:02 < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/drock/drock-screens.html 00:02 < rxr> packen ? 00:02 < huebi> rxr: JAAA! 00:04 < praenti> huebi: des is ja verdammt viel. 00:04 < praenti> wie ging gleich nochmal datei verschicken? 00:04 < praenti> im irc 00:04 < esden> https://www.esden.net/desktops/shots/desk_natalie.png 00:04 < huebi> /dcc send huebi oder so.. 00:04 < esden> praenti: du daheim *wunder* 00:04 < rxr> Unexpected argument `\. 00:04 < rxr> ' 00:04 < rxr> make: *** [drivers/char/joystick/amijoy.c.amijoy_init.+INDIRECT+.ps] Error 1 00:05 < rxr> :-( 00:05 < huebi> rxr: hmm 00:05 < tsa> aah.. 00:05 < tsa> problem mit dbopen beseitigt 00:06 < rxr> esden: soll irgdend nen shot ovn denen nach drock-screens.html ? 00:06 < tsa> da hing wohl noch muell in /usr/lib/libgnome.so drin....gnome-libs neu gebaut und nun geht es.. 00:06 < praenti> esden: nicht wundern. sie muss früh raus ich auch. also morgen... *grml* 00:06 < esden> nicht drock ... dass was ich habe ist ROCK ;-) 00:06 < esden> praenti: hmm asoo ... ok ... ;-) 00:06 < rxr> esden: dann hallt nicht ... :-) 00:07 < esden> ich schicke es dem clifford ;-) vielleicht macht er es zu den rock shots dazu 00:07 < rxr> esden: hehe 00:08 < rxr> esden: schick ihm lieber die URL sonnst hat er noch mail-box verstopfung ... 00:08 < praenti> huebi: jetzt bekommst meinen ldconfig output 00:09 < tsa> hmm..irgendwie hinterlaesst der rock-build mount-leichen 00:09 < tsa> hm....gibt's da schon nen ansatz fuer nen fix? 00:09 < rxr> tsa: welcher tree? unter welchen umstaenden ? 00:09 < huebi> tsa: Wenn du mit ctrl-C abbrichst, passiert das. 00:09 < tsa> rxr: 1.7 00:09 < praenti> huebi: und jetzt meine .cvsrc 00:10 < praenti> letzte zeile hab ich jetzt auskommentiert 00:10 < rxr> tsa: ah - das hatte ich gestern ausch schon moniert ... 00:10 < praenti> hoffe mal dass das hilft 00:10 < huebi> I got it? 00:10 < huebi> I got it! 00:11 < hackbard> esden: was sind das da rechts fuer monitore, sowas will ich auch! :) 00:11 < huebi> praenti: lass die cvs rc einfach mal weg. Ich hatte bis ebend auch keine. 00:12 < hackbard> esden: btw, grrrr .. wieso gibt es noch kein eterm ext wenn es bei dir rennt :p 00:12 < praenti> huebi: ok. das sind übrigens die settings die kde haben will 00:12 < esden> saa mail weg 00:12 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.3.69] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 00:13 < huebi> praenti: hast du eine Datei /usr/lib/libpcre.so.0.0.1 ? 00:13 < esden> hackbard: dass ist gkrellm auf der rechten seite ... und ich habe einfach noch keine zeit gehabt mich um solche "kleinigkeiten" wie pakete zu kuemmern. ich bastel lieber an ports und/oder targets :P 00:14 < hackbard> just kidding :) 00:14 < hackbard> jo, ich hatte mal ein eterm ext angefangen, das wollte aber nicht compilen 00:14 * tsa schiebt esden 'ne glibc 1.0.0 unter.. 00:15 * hackbard looking for gkrellm 00:15 < tsa> ;) 00:15 < esden> ich will bei dem clifford eigenes respository beantragen fuer meine+bilndcoder+praenti(?)+fake(?) pakete ... 00:15 < praenti> huebi: jepp 00:15 -!- d3m|class is now known as d3mian 00:15 < d3mian> gkrellm, cool 00:15 < d3mian> hola 00:15 < esden> hi d3mian 00:15 < esden> gkrellm rulez!!! 00:15 < d3mian> ;) 00:15 < huebi> praenti: hmm. keine Ahnung, was jetzt noch hilft. 00:16 < tsa> esden: ack - will bloss grad nicht compilen.. 00:16 * -> esden fall in love in natalie *schnief* 00:16 < praenti> esden: das paket in 1.5 ist wieder aktuell. mal schauen obs compiled 00:17 < tsa> rxr: why does the evolution package bring it's own db-3 stuff? 00:18 < esden> I can not work with this wallpaper ... :-( 00:18 < rxr> because they links statically against it to have backward and future compatibility ... 00:19 < tsa> == 00:19:47 =[9]=> Building extra1/evolution [1.0.3 1.7.0-DEV-200205112119]. 00:19 < tsa> ok, let's see what happens.. 00:21 < esden> hmm Build-Tools is fixed on glibc >_< 00:25 < d3mian> arrggg, i cant believe it, i guess ill leave my University :) 00:26 < esden> d3mian: why ? 00:26 < d3mian> can u guess how much was my grade in a final test some days ago? 00:27 < d3mian> it's a round number 00:27 < d3mian> :) 00:27 < esden> 10 ? 0? 00:28 < esden> I do not know your grade system ... 00:28 < d3mian> a big 0 00:29 < esden> i suppose that it is not good ... 00:29 < d3mian> :i guess the same ;) 00:29 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.2.134] has joined #rocklinux 00:30 < d3mian> ill need to dedicate more time for java and leave linux wrld behind for a while 00:32 < d3mian> well, i have to continue wrking.. 00:32 -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|wrk 00:32 < esden> good luck d3m|wrk 00:32 < huebi> d3m|wrk: Have Fun and ease with learning :-) 00:33 < d3m|wrk> thnx 00:33 < esden> Downloading download/base/gcc3/gcc-3.1-20020508.tar.bz2 ... 00:33 < esden> Finished downloading 0 bytes in 0.000 seconds (0.000 bytes/sec). 00:33 < esden> curl: (19) gcc-3.1-20020508.tar.bz2: No such file or directory. 00:33 < esden> ERROR: CURL Returned Error 19. Please read the curl manpage. 00:33 < esden> hmm not good ... 00:33 < tsa> mirror or master download site? 00:33 < huebi> d3m|wrk: Just do the right thing in the right time (easier spoken than done) 00:33 < esden> tsa: master ... it is not yet on the mirrors ;-) 00:34 < tsa> esden: hm.... 00:34 < tsa> huebi: machst du nen paar pruefungen fuer mich? 00:34 < d3m|wrk> ill have that in my brain huebi , thnx 00:34 < tsa> ;) 00:34 < huebi> tsa: Better not. I'm good in my job, not in exams. 00:34 < praenti> so. i continue my work tomorrow. cya 00:35 < huebi> cu praenti 00:35 < rxr> jm the -aa kernel sucks - my sysmtem is getting crazzy, each vt switch takes longer (in the multi seconds range ...) 00:35 < esden> cu praenti 00:35 < tsa> huebi: /me too...that's the problem.. 00:35 < rxr> cu 00:35 -!- praenti is now known as praenti|sleep 00:36 < esden> mhhh mplayer got updated in 1.7 ... cool !!! 00:36 < esden> at least ;-) 00:42 * tsa still compiling evolution.. 00:47 < huebi> STAGE 2: Creating PostScript... 00:47 < tsa> huebi: hm? 00:47 < tsa> why .ps? 00:47 < esden> schrott ... !!! 00:47 < huebi> tsa: The Kernel Source Poster ;-) 00:47 < tsa> huebi: argh... 00:47 < esden> ich kriege den faehler nie raus ... 00:48 < huebi> esden: Kidnappe fefe und lass ihn erst frei wenn er alles fertig gemacht hat. 00:49 < esden> huebi: ich werde dass echt machen muessen ... 00:49 < esden> ich floode den mit bugreports und feature requests 00:49 < huebi> ftp://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/utils/util-linux/util-linux-2.11r.tar.bz2 <- neu 00:49 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ evolution 00:49 < tsa> warning: failed to load external entity "/home/tsa/evolution/shortcuts.xml" 00:50 < tsa> ..und sig11 00:50 < tsa> problem bekannt? 00:50 < esden> hmm gleich mal updaten ... 00:50 < huebi> esden: Via snail mail. Wenn der 2 Laster Papier jeden Tag in den Briefkasten gestopft bekommt, gibt der ganz schnell auf. 00:51 < esden> jupp ;-) 00:52 < esden> und ich bin danach pleite ;-) 00:52 < huebi> esden: Noch nie Postspoofing gemacht? ;-)) 00:52 < huebi> fefe schreibt sich selbst! Viel bessr 00:53 < tsa> hehe 00:54 < huebi> und er muss es auch noch selbst bezahlen... welche Qual ;-)) 00:54 < huebi> fefe, Code schneller! sagt er dann zu sich selbst. 00:55 < esden> rofl 00:55 < huebi> *fg* 00:56 < esden> huebi: mein mentor ... du hast wie immer recht ... ich werde deinen rat verfolgen 00:56 < esden> ;-) 00:56 < huebi> *lol* 00:56 < tsa> rxr: awake? 00:57 < esden> soo razifazi upgedated ... 00:57 < rxr> tsa: jups 00:58 < tsa> make[1]: Leaving directory `/vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/src.gkrellm.10213 00:58 < tsa> 30454.31197.985402001/gkrellm-1.2.9/src' 00:58 < tsa> cp: cannot stat `/vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/package/sourceforge/gkrellm/ 00:58 < tsa> gkrellm.desktop': No such file or directory 00:58 < tsa> gkrellm ist immer noch kaputt. 00:58 < rxr> tsa: evlolution tut in dRock und tat in 1.7 00:58 < tsa> cp $confdir/gkrellm.desktop $root/usr/share/gnome/apps/System <-- das da passt nicht 00:59 < rxr> wenn mein gnome2 mit gnome1 comp fertig ist teste ich mal ... 00:59 < tsa> ok 00:59 < rxr> tsa: ja das ding ist eh ungluecklich - ich wollte es schon entfernen -> und werde es jetzt tun ... 00:59 < huebi> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/gallery/tsa.jpg <- viiel schoener ;-) 01:00 < tsa> ;) 01:00 < tsa> rxr: hm? willst du das package entfernen oder das "cp"? 01:00 < rxr> tas cp ... 01:00 < tsa> ah....ich dachte schon.. 01:00 < esden> ja unser vorzeige rocklinux developer ... die anderen kann man nicht vorzeigen ;-) 01:00 < esden> @ huebi 01:00 < rxr> gnome ist bald eh nich mehr an der stelle - dann muesste man gnome.conf includen ... 01:00 < tsa> ??? 01:01 < tsa> btw...warum die trennung gkrellm / gkrellm-plugins? 01:01 < esden> irt meine die anderen kann man nicht herzeigen ;-) 01:01 < tsa> ich haette das in ein gemeinssames pkg gepackt.. 01:01 < rxr> weil wir in base auch nicht sollte alles zumsammen-klump packete haben ... 01:02 < esden> tsa: nicht alle wollen vorgebaute gkrellm plugins haben 01:02 < rxr> z.b. wenn man das nicht haben will - und die scripte updates sind auch sauberer .. 01:02 < tsa> hm..ok 01:02 < tsa> btw....gkrellm-plugins ist auch broken 01:02 < tsa> `/vol/repository/rock-src-1.7.0-DEV/download/sourceforge/gkrellm-plugins/eMac.ta 01:02 < tsa> r.bz2' -> `/usr/share/gkrellm/themes' 01:02 < tsa> cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/share/gkrellm/themes': No such file or dire 01:02 < tsa> ctory 01:03 < rxr> tsa: oder fix du das doch ;-) 01:04 < esden> soo nachtele jungs 01:05 < huebi> nacht esden 01:07 < ringo78> nacht esden 01:11 < tsa> rxr: ist in arbeit. 01:11 < huebi> so. Util-linux scheint jetzt auch unter Sparc zu kompilieren.. 01:11 < huebi> == 01:11:56 05/14/02 =[1]=> Finished building package util-linux. 01:11 < huebi> *freu* 01:11 < huebi> Stage 1 komplett!!!! 01:12 < hackbard> cool, gutes gelingen noch! n8 01:12 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807C43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 01:12 < huebi> n8 hackbard 01:17 < rxr> huebi: can i download the kernel-poster.ps somewhere ? 01:17 < tsa> rxr: i've just committet a new gkrellm-plugins.conf to sf cvs. 01:17 < rxr> ;-) 01:17 < tsa> rxr: but gkrellmms is still broken - needs some fixing from somebody who knows c/c++ .. 01:17 < tsa> gkrellmms.c: In function `create_gkrellmms': 01:17 < tsa> gkrellmms.c:694: structure has no member named `top_margin' 01:17 < tsa> gkrellmms.c:696: structure has no member named `bottom_margin' 01:17 < tsa> make: *** [gkrellmms.o] Error 1 01:18 < tsa> at least the other plugins now get installed. 01:19 < huebi> rxr: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/lgp-kernel2.4.9-a0.ps.bz2 01:19 < rxr> tnx 01:19 < tsa> huebi: you should tell him about the size.. 01:20 < rxr> tsa: who cares about size ? 01:20 < huebi> tsa: 6MB ;-) 01:20 < rxr> oh tiny ;-) 01:20 < tsa> rxr: you will...when uncompressing.. 01:20 < huebi> rxr: bzip2 is your friend. 01:20 < rxr> tsa: i guess not handleable with gv ? 01:21 < tsa> rxr: probably not... 01:21 < rxr> hm 364 patches to sync between cliff and me - sigh ... 01:22 < huebi> rxr 2.4.0 needed 181m37.388s 01:22 < huebi> only TMPFILE was fixed. 01:22 < huebi> 23649258 May 14 01:20 lgp-kernel2.4.9-a0.ps 01:22 < rxr> huebi: hehe 01:23 < huebi> xinerama is koooool 01:23 < huebi> gv works 01:23 < tsa> huebi: hm...this is pretty small.. 01:24 < tsa> a friend of mine made a .ps more than 100mb with this.. 01:26 < huebi> koool! great! fantastic! 01:26 < huebi> Now I need Windows XP code ;-)) 01:26 < huebi> hehe 01:28 < tsa> hehe 01:31 * rxr rebooting cu in a minute 01:34 < rxr> re 01:40 < huebi> re rxr 01:40 < rxr> huebi: the fonts are rather tiny in the kernel.ps ... ? 01:40 < huebi> 36MB Poster of 2.4.0 01:41 < rxr> huebi: ? 01:41 < huebi> rxr: Yes the are. I think I need A0 3x3 hehe 01:42 < huebi> rxr: Here the script worked with 2.4.0 01:42 < rxr> gv scrolls the beast quite fast - I'm impressed ... 01:42 < huebi> rxr: Onle TMPFILE was changed as you said. 01:42 < rxr> ;-) 01:42 < huebi> I added some paper sizes. 01:43 < rxr> huebi: what was the original URL you posted last evening ? 01:43 < huebi> oem. forgot 01:43 < rxr> https://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/linux-poster.jpg 01:43 < rxr> got it myself ;-) 01:44 < rxr> in the selled version the fonts are bigger 01:44 < huebi> rxr: $29.99 is too much! 01:44 < rxr> and the rectangles are rotated -> looks better ... 01:45 < rxr> huebi: sure ;-)! And it is not the latest kernel ... 01:45 < rxr> huebi: But we have the source we can modify the scrpts .... 01:47 < rxr> I'll let it crunch on a vanilla 2.4.18 this night .. 01:47 < huebi> I take a 2.4.18-rc4 01:51 < rxr> ha - ich nehm jetzt 2.4.18-rock ;-) 01:52 < huebi> :-) 01:53 < rxr> so und nen 1.7-latest+gnome2 laeuft jetzt auch von vorne ;-) 01:53 < rxr> meine box ist erstmal busy *g* 01:55 < huebi> Die U30 auch. kein Package failed. 01:57 < rxr> huebi: gute Nacht ;-)! 01:57 < huebi> gute nacht rxr 02:02 < ringo78> perl = cool 02:09 < tsa> n8 02:09 -!- tsa [~tsa@p5082AC8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Client Exiting") 02:11 * huebi started lgp-2.4.18-rc4-rock 02:21 < th> war smp mal wieder lebendig? 02:23 < th> huebi: sag mal, da sind so einige extensions wieder auf nem alten stand, oder? 02:26 < huebi> th: ich weiss nicht. 02:27 -!- simon-- [~sts@p508757C1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:27 < huebi> th: kannst du das in Ordnung bringen? 02:27 -!- Netsplit zahn.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: praenti|sleep 02:28 < th> huebi: ich hab ja nicht wirklich alle versionen fuerchte ich 02:29 -!- Netsplit over, joins: praenti|sleep 02:29 < huebi> th: Du kannstim webcvs dir ganz einfach die Aenderungen anschauen... 02:30 < th> huebi: was ist ueberhaupt passiert? 02:30 < th> das ist kein webcvs problem denke ich 02:30 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/rock-1.5/ext-config/ace/ace.ext.diff?r1=text&tr1=1.1&r2=text&tr2=1.2&f=h 02:30 < th> im cvs sind alte versionen! 02:31 < huebi> Ich glaube beim ci haben die anderen vorher kein cvs up gemacht. 02:31 < huebi> dann passiert so ein muell 02:31 < th> ci? 02:31 < th> meinst du commit? 02:31 < huebi> th exact. 02:32 < th> nein da passiert sowas nicht 02:32 < th> da kommt dann ein up-to-date-check failed 02:32 < huebi> hmmm. Keine Ahnung. 02:33 < th> hast du direkt dateien im cvsroot geaendert? 02:33 < th> die alten versionen sind nicht durch cvs-befehle aufgetaucht 02:34 < huebi> nee, nur Dateiattribute. chmod +x 02:34 < th> komisch 02:35 < th> selbst mein irssi is jetz auf nem alten stand 02:35 < th> s,irssi,irssi-snapshot, 02:37 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/ext-config/irssi/irssi.ext?rev=1.4&content-type=text/plain < -0.8.4 02:38 < huebi> hmmm 02:38 < th> nich irssi 02:38 < th> sondern irssi-ext 02:38 < th> da steht nen absoluter pfad mit version drin 02:39 < th> das war vor ein paar monaten als der cvs-snapshot noch so hiess 02:39 < th> naja 02:39 < th> muessen wir schritt fuer schritt wieder sortieren 02:39 < th> was mich stoert ist, dass wir keine extensions in stable form haben 02:40 < huebi> meinst du einen stable ext tree? 02:40 < th> jo 02:41 < th> im prinzip laesst sich das sehr gut ueber cvs tags machen 02:41 < th> aber dazu gehoert dann natuerlich ein ext-archive mirror 02:41 < huebi> tag -b mache ich sehr haeufig. 02:41 < huebi> der mirror ist auf world 02:42 < huebi> nutzt gerade nicht viel 02:42 -!- praenti|sleep [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:43 < th> ein ext-archive mirror? 02:43 < th> selbst netscape scheint nicht zu funktionieren 02:44 < huebi> th exact 02:46 < huebi> world ist immer noch als master mirror fuer rock-1.6 gedacht. 02:47 < th> so netscape ist gefixed 02:47 < huebi> th: super! 02:54 < th> hmmmm 02:54 < th> mein Build-Index baut nur einen index ueber ext-files 02:54 < th> dadurch kommt der netscape-wrapper.patch nich mit 02:56 < th> ich koennte das auf *.ext und *.patch erweitern 02:56 < huebi> th wenn es geht ;-) 02:57 < th> gehen schon. is bloss die frage ob dann nicht noch *.foo und *.bar fehlt 02:57 < huebi> ;-)) 02:58 < th> ich geh dann ersma pennen 02:58 < th> es kann ja nur besser werden ; 02:58 < th> ) 02:58 < huebi> n8 th 02:58 < th> wie ging ein oder im find? 02:59 < huebi> hae? 02:59 < th> find -name *.ext ODER -name *.patch 02:59 * huebi macht einen neuen branch tag 03:00 < th> hmmmm -or... 03:00 < huebi> weiss nicht. bin zu muede. 03:00 < th> warte ma 03:00 < th> nimm ma meine aenderung noch mit 03:00 < huebi> welche? 03:00 < th> -or -name -patch 03:00 < th> in Build-Index 03:00 < huebi> netzkappe ist mit drinn 03:00 < th> done 03:01 < huebi> ok 03:01 < th> netscape laeuft noch nich 03:01 < th> mom 03:01 < th> liegt am index 03:01 < th> ich baue neu 03:01 < th> mompl 03:01 < huebi> ok 03:02 < huebi> only ltrace failed so far in sparc. 03:03 < th> index is ok now 03:03 < th> don't know if it works 03:04 < th> testing... 03:04 < th> works 03:04 < th> do the tagging NOW ;) 03:05 < huebi> tag runs 03:06 < th> tell me if finished 03:07 < th> wanne commit irssi-fix 03:07 < huebi> faertich! 03:07 < huebi> # 03:14 < th> irssi-snapshot fixed. 03:14 < huebi> ok 03:16 < th> opera buggt auch 03:16 < th> grummel grummel 03:16 < th> der will nen gz is aber nen bz2 03:17 < th> sollte schnell gefixed sein... 03:19 < th> done 03:19 < th> huebi: uebernimmst du dann das ext-archive mirroren auf world? 03:20 < huebi> th Jo. 03:20 < huebi> auf world is scho fast alles. bis auf die neueren Sachen. Die habe ich alle hier. 03:20 < th> gibts mich da schon, account-technisch? 03:21 < huebi> noch nict, laesst sich aber machen. 03:22 < huebi> Ich habe alles unter: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/ 03:23 < huebi> wenn was neues kommt, kopiere ich das dann einfach pauschal alles da rein. 03:24 < huebi> egcs64 is fixed. 03:25 < th> was is eigentlich mit dem darmstadt mirror? 03:26 < huebi> der soll von world mirrorn. 03:26 < th> ahja 03:26 < th> ok 03:27 < huebi> th: Aber wir koennen auch erst mal einen anderen mirror nehmen. 03:27 < th> noe es eilt nicht ;) 03:27 < th> VORHIN hatte ich es eilig 03:28 < th> huebi: hast du grad deinen 24h disconnect? 03:29 < th> noe 03:29 < th> irgendwas hing eben 03:29 < th> egal 03:32 -!- huebi_ [~huebi@pD95221E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:32 < th> hehe 03:32 < th> 03:28:20 < th> huebi: hast du grad deinen 24h disconnect? 03:32 < th> 03:28:20 < th> huebi: hast du grad deinen 24h disconnect? 03:32 < th> 03:29:41 < th> irgendwas hing eben 03:33 < huebi_> 03:27 < huebi> th: Aber wir koennen auch erst mal einen anderen mirror nehmen. 03:33 < huebi_> 03:32 -!- huebi_ [~huebi@pD95221E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:33 < th> 03:27:25 < th> noe es eilt nicht ;) 03:33 < th> 03:27:37 < th> VORHIN hatte ich es eilig 03:35 < th> mit einer dicken leitung finde ich es immer laestig, dass die wgets im Download nicht parallelisiert werden 03:37 < th> so 03:37 < th> ich wollte doch vorhin schon ins bett 03:37 < th> n8 jetz 03:37 < th> bis morgen 03:37 < th> *detach* 03:38 -!- praenti|sleep [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 03:39 -!- huebi__ [~huebi@p50817CA0.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 03:39 < huebi__> scheiss telekom 03:39 < huebi__> Connect time 6.2 minutes. 03:44 -!- huebi [~huebi@p50816B8D.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03:45 < huebi__> th: n8 03:45 -!- huebi__ is now known as huebi 03:51 -!- huebi_ [~huebi@pD95221E3.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05:40 -!- praenti|1leep [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 05:40 -!- praenti|sleep [mo1032@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08:12 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.2.134] has quit (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 08:14 < huebi> moin 08:19 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs# ll *err 08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1328 May 14 03:31 2-ltrace.err 08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1083 May 14 05:58 3-ash.err 08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 630138 May 14 03:50 3-linux.err 08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3424 May 14 04:00 3-modules.err 08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 15524 May 14 08:00 3-mtools.err 08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 343 May 14 05:01 3-openssl.err 08:19 < huebi> -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 30613 May 14 05:07 3-python.err 08:19 < huebi> so far so good ;-) 08:20 -!- zUnE [~dizzy@as2-2-2.um.bonet.se] has joined #rocklinux 08:21 < zUnE> good morning 08:22 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.3.149] has joined #rocklinux 08:24 < zUnE> k, one more time.. good morning. oh well i know everybuddy hackz at nighttime 08:24 < zUnE> :) 08:26 < huebi> hi zUnE 08:27 < zUnE> all well? 08:27 < huebi> The UltraSparc port is not so far from the finish. 08:27 < huebi> zUnE: yes, tired but very well. 08:28 < zUnE> thats nize 08:29 < zUnE> gotta check that changelog, i'll bet there is a lot in it 08:43 < huebi> * new Changelog in progress 08:43 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog 08:47 < huebi> bbl 08:50 < zUnE> yeah 08:52 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has joined #rocklinux 08:52 < tsa> moin. 08:53 < zUnE> good morning 08:53 < tsa> hello zUnE 09:04 < rxr> re 09:07 < tsa> hi rxr 09:09 < rxr> again a "Final GCC 3.1 Prerelease" 09:09 < rxr> gcc-3.1-20020510.tar.bz2 09:10 < rxr> moin tsa ;-) 09:10 < zUnE> i just started a 1.7.0 build, does it build with gcc3.1 as the default compiler ? 09:11 < zUnE> oh well, we'll see 09:11 < zUnE> ;) 09:15 < rxr> zUnE: mostly - only a few (C++) packages fail. cdrdao and some other minor fluff ... 09:16 < rxr> zUnE: I'll provide patches to make these failing packages ANSI-C++ conform in the next time 09:16 < rxr> (after finally soring the gnome2 stuff ...) 09:16 < zUnE> nice 09:17 < zUnE> how far away is gnome2? 09:17 < rxr> zUnE: I'm not really a gnome fan - so your can not expect that positive statements from me ... 09:18 < rxr> the ROCK-1.7 packages will compile at the end of today (I hope) 09:18 < rxr> They want to have the final version in June or July ... 09:19 < zUnE> i edited it to use gcc3.1-20020510, and set it expert options to use gcc 3.1 only. mistake? 09:20 < rxr> zUnE: why should this be a mistake ? 09:21 < zUnE> dunno, i thougth at first maybe there was a purpose to have gcc2 as default C compiler 09:22 < rxr> zUnE: no it is only Cliff's default ... - for working packages you should can use gcc3 for C and gcc2 for C++ (since some packages are still not ansi-c++ conform ...) 09:23 < rxr> but when you do not care about broken cdrdao, you can ue the gcc3 for all ... 09:23 < rxr> I do, too. 09:24 < zUnE> cdrecord is enough for now, cdrdao. disc at once, most useful for audio recordingi guess 09:25 < tsa> yes....and for copying windoze warez stuff...most of this comes as .bin/.cue in these days.. 09:26 < zUnE> and what would i need that for? ;) 09:26 < tsa> i have no idea....i don't have windows. 09:26 * rxr wonders that .bin/.cue is about ... 09:27 < rxr> s/that/what/ 09:27 < tsa> rxr: just another proprietary format.. 09:27 < tsa> i don't know whats so special about it.. 09:29 < th> moin 09:30 < tsa> moin th 09:30 < rxr> hi th 09:31 < th> praenti's mail? 09:31 < th> @rocklinux.org? 09:33 < tsa> should be at the gallery.. 09:34 < th> ok 09:44 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tomik 09:45 < zUnE> k.. compile of gcc3 failed. is that normal? 09:45 < zUnE> ;) 09:47 < rxr> surprise: no - it just finished here ... 09:47 < rxr> which ROCK snap do you use ? 09:47 < zUnE> ran Update-Src so i presume its the latest 09:47 < rxr> erm zUnE is what i wanted to say ... 09:47 < rxr> zUnE: what is the error ? 09:49 < rxr> (me wonders that my gcc3 has not yet finished - /me seems to be too tired ... :-( 09:49 < zUnE> tmp/ccl3fh7e.s:6944: Warning: Unrecognized .section attribute: want a,w,x 09:49 < zUnE> /tmp/ccl3fh7e.s:6944: Warning: Unrecognized .section attribute: want a,w,x 09:49 < zUnE> /tmp/ccl3fh7e.s:6944: Error: Rest of line ignored. First ignored character is `,'. 09:49 < zUnE> make[2]: *** [libgcc/./_muldi3.o] Error 1 09:49 < zUnE> make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-sources/src.gcc3.1021362137.14200.3717219154/gcc-3.1-20020510/objdir/gcc' 09:49 < zUnE> make[1]: *** [libgcc.a] Error 2 09:49 < zUnE> make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-sources/src.gcc3.1021362137.14200.3717219154/gcc-3.1-20020510/objdir/gcc' 09:49 < zUnE> make: *** [cross] Error 2 09:50 < rxr> zUnE: which distribution do you use to compile on? a broken gcc-2.96 frlom RedHat ? 09:50 < zUnE> urm, no. a plain 2.95.3 09:50 < zUnE> i run a distro called Sorcerer Linux 09:51 < rxr> ah this doesn't sound too bad ;-) 09:52 < zUnE> in what wway? 09:52 < rxr> that is not a completely broken RedHat one ;-) 09:52 < rxr> I can tell you if it should compile in some minutes ... 09:55 < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/source-1.7/ 09:55 < rxr> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/source-1.7/ 09:55 < rxr> is my 1.7 working tree ... - could you copy package/base/gcc{2,3} and runn a diff -u on the files you use ? 09:56 -!- Netsplit zahn.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: tomik 09:56 -!- Netsplit over, joins: tomik 10:08 < rxr> gcc3 still compiling here ... 10:13 < zUnE> k, did a diff -u -r mine yours > gcc2-3.patch 10:14 < zUnE> what now :) 10:14 < tsa> rm gcc2-3.patch ;-) 10:14 < rxr> is there a bigger difference ? except the checksum ? 10:19 < rxr> what joke is this: 10:19 < rxr> https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0000647FK/qid=1021364335/sr=8-2/ref=sr_8_67_2/102-5450615-6903356 10:20 < zUnE> yes gcc2 files are different 10:20 < zUnE> especially gcc2.conf 10:21 < zUnE> and the protector patch 10:21 < rxr> zUnE: the gc2.conf is also used for gcc3 ... 10:21 < zUnE> i noticed 10:21 < rxr> cool we on the top three salt producers ;-) but I need a book about gcc in general - not a 240$ fluff about salt ... 10:22 < zUnE> i'll use your then 10:22 < rxr> zUnE: mom 10:22 < zUnE> what salt? and what mom? 10:22 < zUnE> you make no zenze 10:22 < zUnE> :) 10:22 < rxr> mine is the ROCK yesterdays one - I just run a diff to see what cliff changed ... 10:22 < rxr> mom -> moment 10:23 < rxr> the salt is about the amazon URL above ... ;-) 10:24 < rxr> zUnE: there is not difference between my and cliffs version 10:24 < rxr> zUnE: are you really using the latest 1.7 tree snapshot = 10:24 < rxr> ? 10:25 < rxr> "./scripts/Update-Src -all" -> to rsync the latest source .. 10:29 < rxr> 240$ for 11 pages of a stupid salt report in PDF form?!? I'm still puzzled ... 10:29 * rxr shortly away 10:30 < zUnE> hmm, did a new rsync now and it still is different 10:30 < tsa> rdiff? ;-) 10:31 < tsa> interesting idea for a new program.. 10:31 < zUnE> rdiff what? 10:32 < tsa> a program "rdiff" instead of rsync...sounds interesting... 10:32 < tsa> and it's perfect for fucking things up.. 10:32 < tsa> ;) 10:32 < tsa> just another stupid idea ;) 10:33 < zUnE> better than none 10:33 < tsa> hehe 10:42 -!- anders_ [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 10:42 < zUnE> same error with rxr's filez, must be on my end 10:42 < tsa> hi anders_ 10:42 < anders_> mrrrning all 10:42 < anders_> tsa: hullo.. :) 10:46 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:47 < bluefire> Moin 10:50 < rxr> zUnE: i'm back - my gcc3 has still not finished (a keernel map (poster) generation is running here, too ...) 10:54 < zUnE> ok, im trying a i686 build. the one i ran was k7 , wich has mcpu ,march = k6 how come? is that optimal? 10:56 < rxr> zUnE: yes - the gcc2 has no athlon optimizations ... 10:57 < rxr> zUnE: so gcc3 finished here ... 10:57 < zUnE> yeah, but isnt more common to use i686, i mean i you specify athlon in the kernel it optimise with i686 i think 10:58 < zUnE> good spelling today.. 10:58 < rxr> zUnE: we have a autobench tools - maybe it found out k6 is faster 10:59 < rxr> we should verify this ... 10:59 < rxr> == 09:26:11 =[1]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.1-20020510 1.7.0-DEV-200205131848]. 10:59 < rxr> Reading package configuration from gcc3.conf. 10:59 < rxr> Preparing build in /rock-linux/rock-1.7/src.gcc3.1021361166.9132.1880275825 10:59 < rxr> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/1-gcc3.out 10:59 < rxr> $root/var/adm/logs/1-gcc3.out -> 1-gcc3.log 10:59 < rxr> == 05/14/02 09:32:00 =[1]=> Finished building package gcc3. 11:00 < rxr> == 07:46:14 =[2]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.1-20020510 1.7.0-DEV-200205131848]. 11:00 < rxr> Reading package configuration from gcc3.conf. 11:00 < rxr> Preparing build in /R.work/src.gcc3.1021362373.1754.3042193956 11:00 < rxr> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/2-gcc3.out 11:00 < rxr> $root/var/adm/logs/2-gcc3.out -> 2-gcc3.log 11:00 < rxr> == 05/14/02 08:51:30 =[2]=> Finished building package gcc3. 11:00 < rxr> ah! so i did not missreport the first one ;-) 11:00 < rxr> it already finished two times ... ;-) 11:01 < rxr> although something is wrong with my clock ... 11:01 < zUnE> backwardz 11:01 < zUnE> or what? 11:02 < rxr> no i restarted ntpd in between maybe my hardware clock is screwed ... 11:02 < zUnE> i.c 11:04 < rxr> hm no only -4 second drift ... - maybe a bug of ntpd during the initial sync ... 11:13 < huebi> re 11:13 < huebi> moin 11:14 < rxr> hi huebi 11:14 < huebi> hi rxr 11:15 < huebi> The poster of 2.4.18-rc4-rock went fine in 173min 11:16 < rxr> huebi: mine is still running - it failed because i removed image/* - but the dir arch was not created automatically ... :-( 11:17 < rxr> huebi: do you have already your text for the rolling rock? (I must write mine this afternoon / night ...) 11:19 < huebi> rxr: No, I havn't. I just started to work ;-) 11:19 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 11:19 < rxr> I leave to the FH in e few minutes ... 11:20 * huebi is searching a A0 colour plotter 11:20 < rxr> ;-) 11:22 < rxr> cu 11:23 < huebi> cu rxr 11:23 -!- clifford_away [~clifford@62.46.3.149] has quit ("Client Exiting") 11:25 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:26 < zUnE> nope it just fails ;) 11:27 < zUnE> i'll go for the coffee instead 11:29 -!- zUnE is now known as zUnE-coffee 11:37 < tsa> hehe....3 stueck buerovolk mailen sich gegenseitig mit outlook zu. da das ding absolut nicht quoten kann, weiss keiner mehr, wer was geschrieben hat.. 11:38 < huebi> tsa: hehe. koole sache. 11:38 < tsa> jupp.. 11:38 < huebi> Hauen die sich jetzt bald? ;-)) 11:39 < tsa> noe....bisher noch nicht....aber es ist recht lustig. 11:39 < tsa> outlook benutzt offenbar ueberhaupt keine art von quote-zeichen... 11:39 < tsa> der text geht direkt ineinander ueber -> es sieht alles aus wie eine mail. 11:40 < huebi> tsa: Deshalb bin ich auch recht ruhig auf der Mailing liste. Da brauche ich immer so ca 10min, bis die Mail fertig ist. 11:40 < tsa> huebi: hehe...was nutzt du das ding auch? 11:40 < tsa> policy? 11:41 < huebi> tsa: Der Kunde hat gesagt, das wird genommen. Dann mache ich das halt. Wird ja schliesslich gut bezahlt. 11:41 < tsa> hehe.. 11:42 < huebi> * Scheiiss Backup. Wenn man nicht alles selber baut... 11:42 < tsa> ACK. 11:42 < tsa> hast du lust, nen sybase-backup aufzusetzen? damit schlag ich mich grad rum.. 11:44 < huebi> tsa: Habe ich noch nie gemacht. Oracle kenn' ich da so ein wenig. Ich persoenlich bevorzuge da Exports, die sich dann immer wieder in die Datenbank einlesen lassen. 11:44 < tsa> huebi: die sybase ist richtig uebel.. 11:44 < huebi> Betriebssystemunabhaengig. 11:44 < tsa> laeuft ausschliesslich mit kernel 2.2.19 und glibc 2.1.3 11:44 < tsa> legt das dump-file ins eigene bin/-verzeichnis 11:44 < tsa> das dumbfile heisst " " 11:45 < tsa> naja, und dann ist da noch die 2gb filesize-grenze des 2.2.19 kernels.. 11:45 < huebi> Oracle relinkt zwar, aber man braucht nur ein paar neue links in /usr/lib 11:46 < huebi> und die libdb.s0.3 von der 2.1.3 fuer den mitgebrachten Apache. 11:46 < tsa> auch nett.. 11:46 < huebi> Wer ist denn auf dei Idee gekommen sybase zu nehmen? 11:46 < tsa> ist ne kundenkiste...die wollten das unbedingt.. 11:48 < huebi> tsa: Dan erklaere ihnen mal was sie da genau wollen. Und frag sie, ob ins Knie schiessen nich einfacher, billiger und zuverlaessiger ist. ;-))) 11:48 < tsa> hehe... 11:56 -!- capaway [~capchaos@pD9048515.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 11:56 -!- Carol [carol@dclient217-162-212-61.hispeed.ch] has joined #rocklinux 11:56 -!- Carol [carol@dclient217-162-212-61.hispeed.ch] has left #rocklinux () 11:58 < esden> hi all 12:04 -!- blindy|nothere [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 12:04 < esden> test ... 12:05 [ctcp(#rocklinux)] PING 1021370702 925049 12:05 -!- blindy|nothere [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:12 < huebi> hi esden 12:12 < esden> ohh someone awake ... coool ;-) 12:13 < esden> I have finally found a bug that I could backtrack in the dietlibc *happy* 12:20 < anders_> re 12:21 * anders_ is happy also, just ordered a ZyXEL ADSL Router.. 12:21 -!- clifford [~clifford@M109P021.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 12:21 < anders_> about ¤300, but it is a DSL<->Ethernet router... 12:22 * anders_ is planning ahead for the arrival of Phoneline and ADSL.. 12:25 -!- surprise [kdlcjc@greencard.inder.eu.org] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12:26 < huebi> anders_: How fast will your ADSL be? 12:26 < huebi> anders_: And what does it cost? 12:28 < anders_> about ¤45/month for 512Kbit downstream and 256Kbit upstream 12:29 -!- capaway is now known as capchaos 12:29 < huebi> Not very cheap ;( 12:29 < anders_> you get a segment of 8 ip-addresses.. 12:30 < huebi> 8 IP's is good. 12:31 < tsa> static IP addresses are good.. 12:46 -!- praenti|1leep is now known as praenti 12:46 < praenti> hi 12:46 < huebi> hi praenti 12:46 < praenti> huebi: i already getting the same compile errors. 12:46 < praenti> huebi: still desnt find the mount points 12:46 -!- ringo78 [ringo78@xs4.xs4all.nl] has quit ("leaving") 12:52 < esden> hahaha I fixed the ******* bug in dietlibc !!! *jump* 12:54 < tsa> esden: hehe.. 12:54 < tsa> esden: how many new ones did you add instead? 12:56 * tsa awaiting pizza delivery.. 12:56 < tsa> <- hungry 13:01 < esden> cu all 13:02 < tsa> cu esden 13:02 < praenti> huebi: i think i have found the problem. 13:02 < praenti> when i do the same as Build-All do manually 13:02 < praenti> Build-Stage 2 says that no architecture configured 13:03 < praenti> if i start the Config in the chroot-environment i get the libpcre error 13:03 < praenti> but now i must back to the FH. cya later 13:03 < tsa> cu praenti 13:04 < tsa> hm..strange 13:04 < tsa> what package does libpcre.so belong to? 13:04 < tsa> ...and why doesn't my pizza arrive? 13:06 < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg pizza 13:07 < huebi> cu praenti 13:07 < tsa> huebi: do you know where libpcre.so belongs to? 13:08 < tsa> (currently no rocklinux around me to look..) 13:11 < huebi> libpcre is a separate lib for POSIX compatible Reg EX in Perl 13:12 < huebi> needed for KDE 13:12 < tsa> kde... 13:13 < tsa> *seufz* 13:13 * huebi building glibc-2.1.3 for Oracle 8.1.7 13:15 < tsa> havre fun.. 13:15 < tsa> -r 13:21 < tsa> aaaah! es geht aufwaerts, futter ist da. 13:25 < praenti> re 13:25 < tsa> re praenti 13:26 < praenti> tsa: das zeugs hatten wir noch nie in stage 1 gebraucht. deshalb is ja so seltsam 13:30 < tsa> jupp, ist irgendwie schon komisch.. 13:36 < praenti> ok. in der chroot is keine ld.so.conf 13:47 < praenti> huebi: fehler jetzt ausgemacht. irgendwie wandert unsere Config nicht ins chroot 13:49 < praenti> huebi: build läuft jetzt im stage 2 13:56 < huebi> re. Boah. Besprechungen sind ganz schoen anstrengend, wenn sie kurz und effektiv sind. 14:02 < tsa> hehe. 14:02 < huebi> 1/2h und Arbeit bis Dienstag. 14:04 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-228-110.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14:04 < tsa> war Dienstag nicht heute? *wunder* 14:04 < huebi> tsa: ;-) Bis naechsten Dienstag. 14:05 < tsa> huebi: achsoo.. 14:07 -!- surprise [kdlcjc@greencard.inder.eu.org] has joined #rocklinux 14:07 < huebi> == 14:07:58 =[5]=> Building base package rock-debug [1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06 14:07 < tsa> hi surprise 14:07 < huebi> YES! 14:07 < huebi> hi surprise 14:07 < tsa> huebi: auf welcher Platform baust du denn grade? 14:07 < tsa> sparc? 14:07 < huebi> sparc 14:07 < huebi> sparc64! 14:08 < tsa> 32/64? 14:08 < tsa> ah. 14:08 < tsa> ok 14:08 < tsa> fein. 14:08 < tsa> Stage 5??? 14:08 < tsa> cool. 14:08 < huebi> ohne Stage 5 14:08 < tsa> =[5]=> 14:08 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-174-191.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:09 < tsa> re rxr 14:09 < huebi> tsa: rock-debug ist das einzige Packet, das inStage 5 gebaut wird. 14:09 < tsa> huebi: achso...deswegen 14:09 < huebi> /in/aus/ 14:10 < huebi> operoot@rock:~# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*err |wc -l 14:10 < huebi> 80 14:10 < huebi> braucht noch was 14:10 < huebi> openssl braucht die festverdratung von 32 bit 14:11 < tsa> https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2022897031 14:11 < tsa> ich brauch nen sponsor.. 14:11 < tsa> ;) 14:12 < huebi> tsa: Der Monitor taugt nix! 14:12 < praenti> ui 14:12 < huebi> Immer wieder unscharf. 14:12 < tsa> huebi: der monitor ist mir egal...die u60 will ich.. ;-) 14:13 < huebi> root@rock:~# ls /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/*log |wc -l 14:13 < huebi> 239 14:13 < tsa> fein. 14:13 < huebi> rock-debug breche ich jetzt mal ab. 14:15 < huebi> restart 14:15 < huebi> vom Build 14:19 < huebi> tsa: * U.S. Sales within 48 States Only. Sorry no International bidders please 14:20 < tsa> huebi: das koennte man in zweifelsfall regeln...der bruder von nem Kollegen arbeitet bei Lucent in USA.. 14:21 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A69.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:21 < tsa> ...auf dem Wege habe ich mir auch schon mal nen Antares SCSI-Controller schicken lassen.. 14:21 < tsa> hi snyke 14:21 < tsa> huebi: bloes ist bloss dann immer der Zoll.. 14:21 < tsa> s,bloes,bloed 14:21 < snyke> hi all 14:22 < huebi> tsa: Ein Dual Athlon MP 1200 ist genau so schnell wie eine Blade1000 mit 2x UltraSparcIII 14:22 < huebi> tsa: Ich habe schon Motorraeder durch den Zoll hier am Flughafen gescmuggelt. 14:22 < tsa> huebi: mag sein - ich find' x86 aber langweilig... 14:23 < tsa> huebi: LOL. 14:23 < huebi> tsa: In ernst! 14:23 < tsa> dann sag ich Bescheid, wenn ich nen professionellen Schmuggler brauche.. 14:23 < huebi> hehe 14:25 < huebi> Die kiste zerlegen und in mehreren Teilen/Packete zur Reparatur zum Hersteller (DU!) schicken lassen. Hat nur dann noch Schrottwert. 14:25 < tsa> hm....die Idee ist gut. 14:25 < tsa> Muss ich mir merken.. 14:26 < huebi> tsa: Da funktioniert vieles. 14:27 * tsa hat schon ne Menge Zeugs im Koffer durch den Zoll gekriegt, aber auf sowas waer ich nicht gekommen.. 14:27 < tsa> ;) 14:28 * huebi hat auch schon mal 50kg Bananen geschmuggelt. Das mir die Zoellner nich auch noch tragen geholfen haben, hat nur noch gefehlt. 14:28 < snyke> lol 14:29 < huebi> 3Wochen lang immer nur Bananen... igit! 14:29 < tsa> hehehe 14:29 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:31 < term_emu> hi 14:31 < tsa> hi term_emu 14:47 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 14:49 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 14:52 < tsa> re bluefire 15:03 < huebi> yes "oracle" | passwd oracle <- How do I get this to work from a script? I want to have the user oracle to get the password oracle 15:04 < tsa> hm... 15:05 < tsa> chpasswd 15:05 < tsa> or write an expect script 15:05 < tsa> (i didn't try any of those, no guarantee ) 15:05 < huebi> tsa: How does that work? 15:06 < huebi> tsa: Thank you! chpasswd should work 15:11 < tsa> huebi: here's an example for an expect script: 15:11 < tsa> https://www.3ware.co.jp/tips/s11.html 15:11 < tsa> (little grey box) 15:12 < huebi> tsa: Ahh. *click* 15:36 * clifford is angry ... 15:37 -!- clifford is now known as clifford_angry 15:37 < tsa> hi clifford_angry 15:37 < clifford_angry> hi tsa. 15:37 < tsa> what is it that makes you angry? 15:37 < clifford_angry> my new sound card. 15:37 < tsa> hm... 15:37 < tsa> let's guess....it doesn't work? 15:38 < huebi> hi clifford_angry 15:38 < clifford_angry> tsa: yes. 15:38 < clifford_angry> I can't use the midi interface of the onboard soundcard. 15:38 < tsa> uh...onboard sound. 15:38 < clifford_angry> So I bought a "TerraTec 128i PCI" 15:39 < clifford_angry> it is supposed to work with alsa. 15:39 < huebi> TerraDreck...? 15:39 < tsa> i don't have any good experiences with any onboard stuff at all....except scsi 15:39 < clifford_angry> It was the only card in the shop which was mentioned on the alsa compat. list. 15:40 < clifford_angry> Ok - the driver which should work, doesn't work. 15:40 < clifford_angry> cat /proc/pci 15:40 < clifford_angry> .. C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 15:40 < clifford_angry> hmmm ..... 15:40 < clifford_angry> ok - so i try the driver for this one. 15:41 < clifford_angry> modprobe snd-cmipci 15:41 < clifford_angry> Segmentaion fault 15:41 < tsa> # lspci 15:41 < tsa> ? 15:41 < clifford_angry> lspci is using /proc/pci 15:42 < clifford_angry> lsmod 15:42 < clifford_angry> snd-cmipci 15108 1 (initializing) 15:42 < clifford_angry> hmmm .. cool. 15:42 < tsa> hm.. 15:42 < tsa> old, but might help: 15:42 < tsa> https://dice.shopcenter.nu/alsa/alsa_0_4_1_es1938.txt 15:42 < clifford_angry> according to the box it is compatile with Soundblaster / Soundblaster Pro. 15:43 < clifford_angry> but this driver also doesn't work. 15:43 < clifford_angry> according to to the box it is MPU-401 compatible (remember: I just want midi) 15:43 < clifford_angry> .. nope. 15:43 < clifford_angry> now I'm angry. 15:44 < bluefire> clifford_angry: once there were simple midi boards.... 15:44 < huebi> clifford_angry: Can you bring it back? 15:44 < clifford_angry> ah - btw: the MIDI plug is mounted in a way which doesn't allow me to connect the cable.. 15:45 < tsa> does it have an ESS Solo1 Chip? 15:45 < clifford_angry> huebi: I dont know. But i don't want to bring it back! 15:45 < clifford_angry> I want midi ... 15:45 < tsa> there's a esssolo1.o somewhere... 15:46 < clifford_angry> tsa: i have no idea. 15:49 < clifford_angry> tsa: no - that also doesn't work. 15:49 < tsa> hm... 15:49 * clifford_angry is screaming! 15:50 < clifford_angry> grr .... 15:50 < clifford_angry> the last time that I've bought an unsupported hardware I wrote a driver for it. But I'm not going to do it this time .. 15:51 < clifford_angry> (/usr/src/linux/drivers/usb/wacom.c) 15:51 < tsa> clifford_angry: you might want to read Documentation/sound/CMI8338 from your current 2.4 linux kernel tree 15:52 * clifford_angry readign .. 15:52 < tsa> .. C-Media Electronics Inc CM8738 15:52 < tsa> HARDWARE SUPPORTED 15:52 < tsa> C-Media CMI8738 15:52 < tsa> On-board C-Media chips 15:52 < tsa> looks good, i'd say.. 15:52 < clifford_angry> At least the also version of that driver doesn't work and can't be unloaded .. 15:53 < clifford_angry> I'll back soon (need to reboot) 15:53 -!- clifford_angry [~clifford@M109P021.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has quit ("Client Exiting") 16:05 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.3.149] has joined #rocklinux 16:05 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.3.149] has quit (Client Quit) 16:07 < tsa> hm....clifford can't decide whether to stay or to leave? ;-) 16:08 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 16:10 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:10 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Client Quit) 16:11 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:17 < tsa> hm.. 16:18 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.5.190] has joined #rocklinux 16:18 < clifford> great. now I have two audio interfaces and still no midi .. 16:19 < tsa> hm.... 16:19 < tsa> which driver are you using now? 16:20 < clifford> cmpci 16:20 < clifford> (oss) 16:20 < tsa> hm... 16:30 < clifford> hmm ... uart401 seams to do something .. 16:30 < tsa> "something".. 16:31 < clifford> no. It just loads an unloads. 16:32 < clifford> but doesn't acually speak to my hardware 16:33 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 16:33 < tsa> hm....that's not too much. 16:37 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 16:37 < armijn> re 16:37 < tsa> hi armijn 16:37 < armijn> hi tsa 16:37 < huebi> hi armijn 16:38 < armijn> hi huebi 16:39 < armijn> huebi: I see the build went finer now 16:39 < huebi> armijn: Yes, it did. 16:39 < armijn> great 16:39 < huebi> armijn: Have a closer look at it. 16:39 < huebi> ;-) 16:39 < armijn> lots of packages went wrong I see 16:40 < armijn> but most of them optional, so that's not much of a problem (for me) 16:40 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:41 < armijn> hey, that's weird... 16:41 < armijn> lvm did build here... 16:41 < armijn> hmm... 16:41 < huebi> armijn: I think the kernel should not include usb. 16:41 < armijn> but maybe that's just a kernel issue 16:41 < armijn> huebi: I know...at least not as a module 16:42 < armijn> because that's what I did now and that is supposed to break 16:42 < huebi> armijn: do you know how to change it? 16:42 < armijn> huebi: yeah, we need a new config 16:42 < huebi> armijn: where is this config? 16:42 < armijn> this one is b0rken 16:42 < huebi> normally stored? 16:42 < armijn> ./arch-conf/sparc64/ 16:42 -!- anders_ [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("perl is being its usual fun self...") 16:43 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 16:43 < Mike1> hi all 16:43 < huebi> hi Mike1 16:44 < huebi> armijn: now I see. Quite easy. 16:44 < Mike1> :) 16:44 < armijn> huebi: yeah, well, it needs to be changed 16:44 < tsa> hi Mike1 16:45 < armijn> I know Clifford prefers kernel.conf.cpp files, which are then used to generate the kernel configuration 16:45 < armijn> great, all the base errors are the ones that I expected 16:47 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 16:49 < armijn> ehrm, huebi? 16:49 < huebi> rxr: Yes? 16:49 < armijn> I'm not rxr... 16:49 < armijn> grrr 16:49 < Mike1> *g 16:49 < armijn> look at the error for xfree86 16:50 < armijn> that's got *nothing* to do with if it's sparc or not 16:52 < armijn> mike1: soon you'll be able to build ROCK on the Blade :) 16:52 < huebi> armijn: Needs some handwork to find the error. 16:52 < armijn> huebi: well, a patch fails... 16:52 < tsa> armijn: will you give me a Blade? ;-) 16:53 < armijn> does that also happen on intel or alpha? 16:53 < tsa> armijn: which one? 16:53 < armijn> tsa: I don't have one 16:53 < Mike1> armijn yes you read the log? 16:53 < tsa> armijn: me neither.. 16:53 < armijn> Extracting source (4.2.0) ... 16:53 < armijn> Do some other stuff ... 16:53 < armijn> `xc/programs/twm/system.twmrc' -> `xc/programs/twm/system.twmrc.orig' 16:53 < armijn> Apply patch /rock-linux/base-config/xfree86/4.2.0-libGLU-bad-extern.patch ... 16:53 < armijn> can't find file to patch at input line 9 16:53 < tsa> wrong -p 16:53 < armijn> yeah, but why? 16:54 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 16:54 < tsa> armijn: the 4.2.0-* patches aren't from us....they are directly from xfree86.org 16:54 < armijn> and? 16:54 < huebi> tsa: The broken one from CCCthe worked when I checked them in. 16:54 < tsa> armijn: perhaps nobody tried to apply them before? 16:55 < armijn> tsa: ehr... 16:55 < huebi> the patches worked when I checked them in. 16:55 < armijn> hmm 16:55 < tsa> huebi: strange.. 16:55 * armijn dives into it 16:56 * tsa decides to have worked enough for today.. 16:56 < tsa> i'm going home... 16:56 < tsa> cu later 16:56 < armijn> cu 16:56 < armijn> this is weird 16:56 < huebi> cu tsa 16:56 -!- tsa [~tsa@sec-01.bi.devcon.net] has quit ("wech.") 16:56 < huebi> armijn: I solve that with X later. 16:56 < armijn> ok 16:56 < huebi> armijn: Can you fix the kernel? 16:57 < armijn> huebi: no, I'll go for ltrace first 16:57 < huebi> armijn: DiDltrace work on sparc? 16:57 < armijn> nope, it's unsupported 16:58 < armijn> huebi: how do you start builds? 16:58 * huebi is installing Oracle on Rocklinux ... again. 16:58 < armijn> huebi: just go to /rock-linux and run ./scripts/Build-All COPY? 16:58 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# ./scripts/Build-All rock:/rock-orig 16:58 < armijn> ok 16:59 < huebi> I use read only nfs. Better no deletet sources anymore. 16:59 < armijn> ok 17:00 < armijn> and how do I check out new stuff from CVS? 17:00 < armijn> on rock 17:00 < huebi> root@rock:/rock-linux# cd /tmp 17:01 < huebi> export CVSROOT=:ext:armijn@ella:/home/cvs/cvsroot 17:01 < huebi> export CVS_RSH="ssh" 17:01 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 17:01 < huebi> rm -rf rock-1.5 17:02 < armijn> and then manually copy stuff over? 17:02 < huebi> cvs co rock-1.5 17:02 < huebi> now wait 20 sec 17:02 < huebi> cd /tmp/rock-1.5 17:02 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:03 < huebi> /bin/cp -vf * /rock-orig 17:04 < armijn> that's it? 17:04 < huebi> armijn: But better just copyt the file you need. 17:04 < armijn> ok 17:05 < huebi> Yes armijn, th cvs ci I make directly from /rock-orig 17:06 < armijn> oh, btw, did I already tell that I will get two PA-RISC machines tomorrow? 17:06 < huebi> armijn: Please do it too. Things commited to cvs stay normally in there. 17:07 < huebi> armijn: No, you didn't 17:07 < armijn> huebi: I will get two PA-RISC machines tomorrow 17:07 < huebi> armijn: Ahh, I heared somesting like this ;-)) 17:08 < armijn> heh 17:09 < armijn> what's the "s" stage? 17:10 < huebi> armijn: Where did you find it? 17:10 < armijn> hmm...I wonder if it is actually rebuilding stuff... 17:11 < armijn> Found packages in rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/ -> skipping building of packages! 17:11 < armijn> ** Building default subdistributions ** 17:11 < armijn> == 05/14/02 17:09:34 =[S]=> Building subdistribution install-disks. 17:11 < armijn> Building. Writing output to rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/info/logs/s-install-disks.out 17:11 < armijn> don't tell me we need to rebuild *everything* 17:11 < huebi> armijn: rm -rf rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/ 17:11 < armijn> ok 17:12 < armijn> that helped :) 17:12 < huebi> armijn: No! since a while everything is just copied insted of beeing moved. 17:12 < armijn> so, I fucked up now? 17:13 < huebi> ?? 17:13 < armijn> ehr, I guess that I mixed up two answers, never mind... 17:14 < armijn> ok, ltrace doesn't build right now, which is good...now it needs to be tested on Intel, see if I did it alright 17:15 < huebi> I changed the Build-All script to copy instead of moving the built stuff. Now you can just delete rock-sparc64-1.5.14_2002-05-14_03h06/ 17:15 < armijn> ok 17:19 -!- Netsplit zahn.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: zUnE-coffee 17:19 -!- Netsplit zahn.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: clifford, armijn 17:19 -!- Netsplit over, joins: zUnE-coffee 17:20 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.5.190] has joined #rocklinux 17:22 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 17:22 < huebi> re armijn 17:22 < armijn> I hate netsplits 17:23 < armijn> huebi: one problem is eliminated...now the next :) 17:23 < huebi> armijn: What did ypu do? 17:24 < armijn> disable building of ltrace on sparc 17:24 < huebi> did you ci it? 17:24 < armijn> of course 17:25 < huebi> OK! 17:25 < huebi> great. 17:25 < armijn> well, I usually don't use cvs ci, but rather cvs commit 17:25 < armijn> I keep a seperate CVS tree in my homedir on "ella" 17:25 < huebi> ah ok 17:25 < armijn> huebi: is your wife named "ella"? 17:25 < huebi> armijn: no, my daughter 17:25 < armijn> aha 17:26 < huebi> Ella-Charlotte 17:26 < huebi> ;-) 17:26 < armijn> European-Commision 17:26 < huebi> hehe 17:28 < rxr> re 17:28 < armijn> ok, let's see if openssl wants to build... 17:33 < armijn> rxr: glibc did build now 17:34 < huebi> hi rxr 17:47 < esden> re hi all 17:48 < esden> puhh back home ... 17:48 < esden> rock-linux-tools now compile under dietlibc !!! *jump* 17:48 < zUnE-coffee> ahh... now thats what i call a coffe break :) 17:48 -!- zUnE-coffee is now known as zUnE 17:48 < zUnE> good evening 17:49 < esden> evening zUnE 17:49 < zUnE> whats happenin'? 17:49 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807C43.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:50 < hackbard> hi! 17:50 < esden> hmm nothing particular ... I am hunting bugs 17:50 < esden> hi hackbard 17:50 < armijn> now, that's weird... 17:50 < esden> armijn: ??? 17:50 < armijn> building stuff on huebi's machine 17:51 < armijn> and the kernel fails, but it just goes on creating md5sums, etc. 17:51 < esden> that must be wired ;-) 17:51 < Mike1> Hi Franky boy 17:51 < rxr> 2nd re ;-) 17:51 < armijn> I've seen this before, that some package actually weren't built correctly, but there were either no logs or wrong logs 17:51 < rxr> armijn: yes I read this last night ;-) 17:53 -!- simon-- [~sts@p50875267.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:54 < rxr> clifford: 17:55 < huebi> cu later 17:55 < rxr> clifford: SoundBlaster compatible does not mean anything 17:55 < Mike1> bye huebi 17:55 < rxr> it is printed on all boxes and only mean -> it contains a DOS and winDOs driver which works for most software ... 17:55 < th> re 17:56 < rxr> clifford: but the driver behaviour is not normal - the best might be to complain on the alsa-devel list ... 17:58 < snyke> ESDEN!!! 17:59 * rxr my todo list is soo full :-( 17:59 < esden> ??? 17:59 < snyke> msg 18:01 -!- hackbard_ [~hackbard@pD9523580.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:01 -!- hackbard [~hackbard@p50807C43.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: hackbard_!~hackbard@pD9523580.dip.t-dialin.net))) 18:01 -!- hackbard_ is now known as hackbard 18:02 < armijn> good, openssl is building 18:03 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 18:06 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817D40.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:06 < rxr> esden: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/law-13.05.02-000/ 18:08 < esden> *click* 18:10 < armijn> esden: how's alpha going? 18:10 < armijn> esden: please add something to the gallery 18:10 < armijn> esden: I'm going to do the PA-RISC port :) 18:18 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525660.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 18:18 < tsa> re 18:20 < rxr> so ich habe dazu mal kurz mein komentar auf heise gelassen ... 18:21 < armijn> jaja, ganz geil 18:21 < tsa> oh....was gibbet denn auf heise? 18:23 < rxr> matrox karte 18:23 < rxr> und da schreiben natuerlich wie immer alle muell ... 18:23 < tsa> hehe 18:25 < tsa> hm....ich hatte bisher noch nie ne matrox-karte. 18:25 < tsa> aber was ich bisher gehoert habe, sollen die zwar nicht so sonderlich toll 3d-leistung bieten, dafuer aber ein sehr schoen scharfes bild.. 18:26 < tsa> und referenz-implementation framebuffer. 18:27 -!- tomik_ [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has joined #rocklinux 18:27 < rxr> tsa: die hatten immer sehr gute signal qualitaet und semi-prof 2d bescheunigung (als das in den '90 jahren aufkam 18:27 < tsa> jupp, ich weiss. 18:27 < rxr> ja 3d war nicht soo super - aber der este open-source treiber 18:27 -!- tomik_ [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has quit (Client Quit) 18:27 < tsa> afaik haben die auch einigermassen freizuegig die specs rausgegeben... 18:27 < clifford> hi. jetzt hab' ich ne SB live 5.1 digital .... 18:27 < tsa> ah. 18:27 < rxr> die haben immer die specs rausgerueckt ;-) 18:28 < tsa> naja, und sie waren schon immer recht teuer. 18:28 < armijn> blah blah 18:28 < tsa> clifford: schon wieder ne neue karte? *seufz* 18:28 < clifford> wo geht denn die scheiss packung auf ? 18:28 < rxr> und die neue karte sollte alle anderen karten auch in 3d uebertreffen ... 18:28 < tsa> rxr: jupp, du hattest da neulich nen link auf den channel gepastet.. 18:28 < rxr> hi clifford # 18:28 * clifford ist verzweifelt .. 18:28 < clifford> hi rxr. 18:28 < tsa> armijn: sorry. 18:28 < tsa> LANG=en 18:28 < armijn> ha! 18:28 < armijn> :) 18:28 < rxr> tsa: https://www.heise.de/newsticker/data/law-13.05.02-000/ 18:29 < tsa> rxr: thanks. 18:29 < armijn> hmm... 18:29 < armijn> luckily I'm just concentrating on "base" packages 18:29 < clifford> I'm now going to shut down my computer for a few minutes ... 18:29 < clifford> see you then :-) 18:29 < armijn> lots of optional packages failing on sparc64 18:29 -!- clifford [~clifford@62.46.5.190] has quit ("Client Exiting") 18:29 < tsa> cu cliff 18:33 * rxr faengt an auf nie naechste Matrox karte zu sparen 18:34 < tsa> rxr: LANG=en 18:34 < tsa> rxr: du you know how expensive the new cards will be? 18:34 < armijn> soundcards...urgh 18:34 < armijn> or graphics cards? 18:34 < armijn> who needs them anyway 18:34 < tsa> gfx 18:35 < tsa> armijn: /me 18:35 < rxr> tsa: no prob - the heise text says 500 EUR ... 18:35 < tsa> rxr: ARG 18:35 < rxr> but i do not need it in the first moths - they get cheaper ... 18:35 < tsa> armijn: without a gfx card, i would have no use for my monitor.. 18:36 < armijn> use serial port 18:36 < armijn> use a terminal :) 18:36 < tsa> hehe 18:36 < rxr> tsa: but the card should be faster than the current NVidia onces ... and it should have 3 (!!) Monitor outs ... 18:36 < tsa> rxr: i only have one monitor.. 18:37 < armijn> you will need to buy two more then! 18:37 < rxr> you do not need to plug a cable into the two other ports ... 18:37 < tsa> rxr: you mean it will work with just one monitor? 18:37 < tsa> cool. 18:37 * tsa deeply impressed ;-) 18:38 * rxr is impressed how easyly tsa can be impressed ... 18:38 < tsa> hehe 18:38 < rxr> a dual head is really nice some times ... - and esden told me he would have use for a three head setup 18:39 < rxr> (he even said his next card will be a quad-head one ...) 18:39 < rxr> ??? 18:40 < rxr> To change the email address for the forum at www.heise.de you get a activation-mail where a URL has to be openen in a browser 18:40 < rxr> but the "activation mail" is send to the new address? _> Really secure ;-) *g* 18:41 < armijn> why would you need *four* monitors 18:41 < rxr> (although is was perfect for me - because other email address was outdaed for 2 years ...) 18:41 < rxr> armijn: I? I only need two - or maybe three sometimes ... 18:42 < armijn> rxr: what for? games? 18:42 < huebi> re 18:42 < armijn> hi huebi 18:43 < rxr> armijn: for big coding stuff 1152x980 is simly not big enough; displaying some oder informations that are needed, moving the video 4 linux app to the second head ... 18:43 < huebi> I need a A0 printer with at least 200MB RAM 18:43 < hackbard> huebi: lgp-kernel? :) 18:43 < esden> gaehhhnnn 18:43 < huebi> hackbard: jo 18:43 < esden> re hi all 18:43 < hackbard> hehe 18:43 < armijn> huebi: I fixed openssl 18:43 < huebi> armijn: kool 18:44 < armijn> huebi: but some things are still failing... 18:44 < armijn> the fact that the kernel is not building gives some more trouble than I expected :((( 18:45 * huebi has to code html the whole night. I hate documentation if not done While working. 18:45 < armijn> huebi: you will send me a CD right? 18:46 < huebi> armijn: Yes, Do you want to have it made on rock. Then you should have all 18:47 < armijn> huebi: I just need the source packages 18:47 < huebi> armijn: But the right ones ;-) 18:47 < armijn> huebi: yeah, definitely 18:47 * rxr is again impressed by the 2.5 ide cleanups ;-) 18:48 * huebi wants to be at home 2x 1600x1200. Browser on the left an terminal onthe right. 18:48 < armijn> huebi: will you release another snapshot soon? 18:48 < huebi> armijn: Yes. 18:48 < armijn> the last one is almost two weeks ago 18:48 < huebi> 1.5.15 is not fare away. 18:48 < armijn> huebi: #define far away 18:49 < armijn> I will then need 1.5.15 (and packages) for PA-RISC... 18:49 < armijn> but I will need it *soon* 18:49 < huebi> far away: known to be a time told if there is no known time in the future 18:49 < armijn> huebi: I want to make sure that my changes (in openssl.conf and ltrace.conf) do not affect other architectures 18:50 < huebi> armijn: at the weekend. 18:50 < armijn> huebi: you will release it this weekend? 18:50 < huebi> I need at tuesday a new stable version on x86 18:50 < huebi> ar yes 18:50 < huebi> armijn: yes 18:50 < huebi> ;-) 18:50 < armijn> huebi: you need a new stable version? 18:51 < huebi> Yes, my customer wants to have fresh Rocklinux server installations 18:51 < armijn> ah 18:52 < armijn> ok, I will make a few more changes to the source tree before hand...so egcs64 won't be built on x86 18:52 < huebi> armijn: That would be really great. 18:52 < tsa> hm...having an own distribution really has advantages.. 18:52 < huebi> tsa: Yes YES YES!!!! 18:53 < tsa> when you don't want to update the customers machines, you just don't release new snapshots and tell him he's up to date.. ;-) 18:53 < huebi> hehe 18:53 < rxr> tsa: but this way he doesn't get money 18:53 -!- clifford [~clifford@M126P030.dipool.highway.telekom.at] has joined #rocklinux 18:53 < Mike1> hi clifford 18:53 < clifford> Hahaaaa! It works! 18:53 < rxr> you simply have to release a new snapshot when you need money ... 18:54 < tsa> rxr: depends on the kind of contract you have with your customer.. 18:54 < huebi> esden: You disabled once port 6000 on XFree86. Do you have a patch for that? 18:54 < tsa> clifford: which one? 18:54 < rxr> sure 18:54 < tsa> clifford: the sb 5.1? 18:54 < clifford> sb live. 18:54 < tsa> ah. 18:54 < tsa> emu10k 18:54 < tsa> emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected 18:54 < tsa> works out of the box. 18:54 * clifford spend > 100 EUR today just to have a midi port for testing not finished applications ... 18:54 < clifford> tsa: yes. 18:55 < hackbard> cool, mayby this will change to --with-cards=emu10k1 in 1.7 soon :-)) 18:55 < rxr> hackbard: all modules should be built - aren't they ? 18:55 < clifford> I think I never had so many files in /dev/midi before .. :-) 18:56 < hackbard> sure, but i have sb live too :p 18:56 < tsa> hehe 18:56 < tsa> i haven't configured midi stuff. 18:56 < tsa> uhm..wait 18:56 < tsa> i have. 18:57 < tsa> at least i have /dev/sound/midi and /dev/sound/midi1 18:57 < tsa> whatever that's supposed to mean. 18:59 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit ("[BX] Ping-pong timeout") 18:59 < hackbard> what synthi do you have clifford? 18:59 < clifford> hackbard: in my office I only have the Yamaha DJX-II at the moment. 19:00 < clifford> my hd-recorder (Boss BR-8) is also on the midi bus .. 19:01 < hackbard> i have a yamaha cs1x here 19:02 < hackbard> i dont know DJX-II ... hmm 19:02 < clifford> I like synthies like Supernova Pro-X or Waldorf Q. 19:02 < clifford> the DJX-II is a funny thing to play arround 19:03 < clifford> but it also can be very limiting .. 19:03 < armijn> argh 19:04 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/ChangeLog <- new 19:04 < hackbard> yeah, waldorf is cool, but expensive 19:04 < clifford> hackbard: yes. but there are even more expensive synthies out there .. :-) 19:04 < clifford> what kind of music do you make? 19:05 < hackbard> since i am on linux i dont use my synthi anymore :( 19:05 < hackbard> just my turntables 19:05 < hackbard> but i tried to do some 'house' music, i like that wild pitch stuff 19:06 < clifford> hackbard: want to hear the raw-cut of a house number I'm currently working on? 19:06 < hackbard> sure 19:06 < rxr> clifford: /me too ;-) 19:06 * clifford is uploading ... 19:08 < clifford> I need to run bladeenc first ... :-) 19:10 < clifford> uploading .... (10 min ETA) 19:10 < tsa> lame has a better quality than bladeenc.. 19:10 < clifford> I'm now smoking a cigarette. be back soon .. 19:10 < rxr> clifford: bladeenc ? not lame ? 19:10 < huebi> tsa: ACK 19:11 < rxr> tsa: im curious: would you say lame or ogg/vorbis sounds better with the same bitrate ? 19:11 < tsa> rxr: did you have a look after gnomemms from gkrellm-plugins? 19:11 < clifford> I'm having bladeenc here - and since it is a raw-cut I think that it's not importand .. 19:12 < tsa> rxr: i'd prefer lame 19:12 < rxr> tsa: oh not yet - sorry. I'll polish gnome2 and have to do some mergin on my SANE/Avision backend and then I still have to find some words for the rolling rock ... 19:13 < tsa> rxr: ok.. 19:13 < rxr> tsa: because? 19:13 < armijn> hmm 19:14 < armijn> anyone experience with Adaptec cD creator 19:14 < armijn> it is a windows program, I know, but it's all I've got right now :(( 19:14 < tsa> rxr: can't say, it just "feels" a little different.. 19:14 < tsa> hehe 19:14 < tsa> top quote from the stats page: 19:15 < tsa> huebi SUN Germany called me 19:15 < huebi> tsa: Yes? 19:16 < armijn> I've got a PA-RISC bootable CD which I've to burn 19:16 < armijn> on windows. 19:16 < armijn> where are the irc stats? 19:16 < rxr> cool onther Matrox site lists Linux as supported platform ;-) 19:17 < zUnE> i have used it at work, adaptec that is. whuz the trouble? 19:17 < huebi> cu 19:18 < huebi> I leave now 19:18 < armijn> zUnE: it's got to stay bootable 19:18 < tsa> armijn: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/ 19:18 < zUnE> its an ISO you gonna burn, right? 19:18 < armijn> zUnE: no, it's a raw image 19:20 < zUnE> yeah byt raw is an iso image, a bin dump 19:21 < armijn> not according to windows 19:21 < zUnE> in what way? 19:21 < armijn> all ways 19:22 < zUnE> i dont quite understand, how are you burning? creating a new project or what? 19:22 < armijn> it's burning now but I'm not sure if it will burn the right thing 19:22 < armijn> zUnE: no, I downloaded a raw file from the Debian website 19:23 < zUnE> aha, just rename extension *.raw to *.iso and burn it 19:23 < armijn> pfrt, that's it? 19:23 < armijn> it's burning now, so.. 19:23 < armijn> let's hope it will work 19:24 < zUnE> hope iz good 19:24 < zUnE> ;) 19:24 < armijn> I will check it later 19:24 < armijn> not finished yet 19:25 < clifford> https://www.clifford.at/TuxTronic/hardcore_sucks.mp3 19:25 < zUnE> a porn file? 19:25 < clifford> as said - it's far away from beeing finished. 19:26 < clifford> no - it's just a working title .. 19:26 < zUnE> yeah, just some bad humor over here 19:26 < armijn> "clifford - the bedroom recordings" 19:28 < clifford> with "hardcore" is "hardcore techno" ment. It's a (more or less) groovy house number. I made it after playing 8 hours hardcore in the club I'm working .. :-) 19:29 < armijn> heh, I also listen to hardcore 19:29 < armijn> but then it's hardcore punk 19:29 < zUnE> i like hardrock 19:29 < zUnE> does that mean im old :) 19:29 < armijn> zUnE: no, because that will make me old as well :) 19:29 < zUnE> Saxon 19:30 < armijn> zUnE: Saxon will do the full Eagle show this summer :) 19:30 < armijn> o/~ She's got wheeeeeels! Wheels of steel! o/~ 19:30 < zUnE> alright! the eagle haz landed 19:30 < zUnE> will you be there? 19:30 < zUnE> ;) 19:30 < armijn> zUnE: www.graspop.com, of course! 19:30 < clifford> there exists no midi sound applicatin for linux with a major release number > 0 ... 19:31 < armijn> zUnE: they will do more shows, just not sure if they will play in .se 19:32 < zUnE> both dio and saxon was here not so long ago 19:32 < armijn> zUnE: hehe, Dio rocks 19:32 < zUnE> and ive seen purple here too 19:32 < armijn> zUnE: I've seen tons of old bands...Dio, Saxon, Uriah Heep, Black Sabbath, ... 19:33 < zUnE> nize 19:33 < armijn> you bet. 19:33 < zUnE> 19:35, gotta go get a pizza 19:34 -!- zUnE is now known as zUnE-pizza 19:35 * rxr away 19:35 < armijn> clifford: new ROCK port 19:35 < armijn> clifford: could you make esden maintainer for Alpha? 19:36 < rxr> clifford: before I forget: I selected gcc3 for c c++ and fortran -> but gcc2 is still build. Why is the compiler selection gone = 19:37 < rxr> (or where to disavle gcc2= 19:37 < rxr> cu in a few minutes ... 19:40 < hackbard> re 19:40 * hackbard downloading hardcore_sucks.mp3 19:40 < armijn> hackbard: it's no pr0n 19:40 < hackbard> :) 19:43 < hackbard> wow, i couldnt mix for 8 hours 19:43 < hackbard> even if its no hardcore! 19:45 < clifford> hackbard: when it's sat. and you are the only DJ you don't have much of a choice .. :-) 19:45 < armijn> buy a new DJ 19:46 < armijn> clifford: could you make me maintainer of PA-RISC instead of Alpha? 19:47 < clifford> armijn: esden=alpha, armijin=pa-risc ? 19:47 < armijn> clifford; yeah, I haven't done a thing on alpha yet 19:48 < armijn> clifford: and I will start with PA-RISC this week or next week 19:48 < clifford> armijn: you both are not even listed in the TEAMS file ... 19:49 < armijn> clifford: https://www1.rocklinux.org/projects/#ports 19:49 < clifford> what is "tse3" ?? 19:50 < clifford> armijn: please set up a pa-risc homepage first .. 19:50 < clifford> and esden should take over the alpha axp homepage. 19:50 < armijn> who is tse3? 19:50 < clifford> a library. 19:50 < armijn> man tse3? 19:51 < tsa> hm.. 19:51 < armijn> oh yeah, a webpage... 19:51 < tsa> interesting 19:51 < hackbard> clifford: nice track, i pretty much like the melody at the end [3:44-4:00,4:29-5:00] 19:51 < armijn> clifford: I never even took over the Alpha webpage 19:51 * armijn puts on some real music (metal!) 19:51 < hackbard> when you play with the filter 19:52 < tsa> with sendmail 8.12.2, /usr/sbin/sendmail has to be sgid smmsp, not sgid mail.. 19:52 * clifford is opening it in a player .. 19:53 < esden> re hi all 19:54 < tsa> hi esden 19:54 < rxr> re 19:54 < tsa> ..alpha axp maintainer in spe.. 19:54 < rxr> clifford: tse3 is some kind of event engine (for midi) 19:54 < rxr> clifford: what about the gcc selection? 19:54 < clifford> rxr: I'm reading it already on the hp. 19:54 < clifford> is it good? 19:54 < armijn> hi esden 19:54 < clifford> rxr: use the generic package selection. 19:54 < armijn> esden: you're the alpha maintainer, ok? 19:55 < esden> ok ... 19:55 < armijn> esden: you should take over the webpage from clifford 19:55 < armijn> clifford: esden wants to be maintainer :) 19:55 < esden> armijn: will do 19:55 < clifford> esden: could you copy the alpha homepage files to your directory? 19:55 < tsa> TEAMS file? 19:56 < tsa> where is it? 19:56 < esden> clifford: sure ... 19:56 * -> esden brb (and copy the stuff) 19:57 < clifford> hmm ... i have 60 faders in my alsa mixer just for the SB live .... cool! 19:57 < clifford> tsa: Documentation/TEAM 19:57 < rxr> clifford: many are alsa software channel mixers ... ;-) 19:58 < esden> clifford could you pack them and send the pages to me before you delete them ? or simply move them to my home ? 19:58 < tsa> clifford: ah..thanks 19:58 < clifford> rxr: I thing I need a gui for that... :-) 19:59 < rxr> clifford: how good tse3 is I do not know - why should I use a blackbox lib when this is such a fundamental progam design issue I would like to desgn myself ... 19:59 < rxr> clifford: gcc - ah ok 19:59 < clifford> anthem needs tse3 .. 20:00 * clifford is testing every linux midi sequencer now .. 20:01 < armijn> at the same time? 20:01 < clifford> armijn: no. one by one. But I'm not spending more than a few minutes with fixing if it doesn't build .. 20:02 < hackbard> cool, interested about ur results! 20:02 < armijn> 74 packages failed 20:02 < armijn> just base + opt, no ext 20:02 < armijn> interesting... 20:03 < clifford> so far I didn't found a singe program which I would use in one of my productions. 20:04 < armijn> nah, I'll leave the xfree fix for huebi :) 20:15 < armijn> is x86 the only architecure with isa? 20:15 < rxr> clifford: this is why I started GSMP ... 20:15 < clifford> rxr: it's horrible. 20:15 < clifford> no program which compiles ad-hoc. 20:16 < clifford> and they are all broken. 20:16 < armijn> clifford: is x86 the only architecture which has ISA? 20:16 < tsa> sgi's have eisa afaik 20:17 < clifford> I've made 'tuxtronic' with a self-written perl script. And it looks like this is the best method for using midi in linux. 20:22 < armijn> Perl::Midi 20:23 < clifford> armijn: never used it - I was just writing binary data to /dev/midi .. 20:26 < armijn> clifford: I dunno if it exists, but you could make it :_ 20:26 < armijn> :) 20:27 < esden> re hi all 20:28 * -> esden testing his dietlibc patch 20:29 < clifford> hmm... https://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Software/8918/linux/index.html 20:31 < armijn> ah well, I did enough for ROCK today, fixed a lot of packages 20:31 < armijn> so I'm off 20:31 < armijn> cu 20:31 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has left #rocklinux () 20:33 < zUnE-pizza> nice listing of sound appz too https://linux-sound.org/ 20:37 < rxr> clifford: another complaint about 1.7 20:37 < zUnE-pizza> i cant get 1.7 dev past the gcc3 compile 20:37 < clifford> yes? 20:37 < rxr> clifford: is it really needed to generate so many fluffy string IDs into the build ID ? - Everytime I change a option in Config I have to hack arround to not rebuild all packages !! 20:37 < rxr> THIS SUCKS! 20:38 < rxr> I just added - *gcc2* and had this prob again ... 20:38 < clifford> rxr: it has been already reduced. 20:38 < rxr> clifford: is it online ? 20:38 < clifford> rxr: no - you enabled packagfe selection. this alters the id string. 20:38 < rxr> clifford: why? this is odd ... 20:39 < clifford> hmmm ... 20:39 < clifford> what should in your op. be in the id string? 20:40 < rxr> the pkgsel and export should not ... 20:40 < rxr> erm expert ... 20:40 < clifford> the idstring is the 'name' of the distribution. 20:41 < clifford> I think name name should contain the information that it's not the default 'intel-generic' (e.g.). 20:41 < rxr> you compile it build and it breaks somwhere because you fogot a setting - dou you really wanna get ALL recompiled only because you forgot to remove a package or you enable some other debug output ? 20:42 < rxr> target arch optimization is ok - but the rest only make s our live harder ... 20:42 < clifford> rxr: maybe it's needed to rebuild everyting after that option has changed .. 20:42 < rxr> clifford: _maybe_ -> so why should we enforce a complete rebuild? 20:42 < clifford> e.g. you select gcc3 as c++ compiler. You recognise that some packages fail with gcc3 and want to rebuild with gcc2 .. 20:43 < rxr> but your courent scheme doesn't prevent this case (does it ?) - but anyway this is a really the users fault 20:43 < rxr> I'm glad to provide some kernel like help tests for the options ... 20:44 < clifford> I could move the package selection to the expert section. 20:44 < clifford> so It's already covered with the -expert postfix. 20:44 < rxr> clifford: ah ok 20:45 < rxr> this would only leave the exoprt flag, right? 20:45 < rxr> I could live with this ;-) 20:46 < clifford> done. 20:47 < clifford> Is there not a _single_ midi application for linux? 20:47 < rxr> but the gcc3 <-> gcc2 is anyway not covered by this IDs ... is it? 20:47 < clifford> I mean: one which is working .. 20:47 < rxr> clifford: GSMP might be the best after 2-4 weeks of coding *g* 20:47 < clifford> rxr: no - but when you are in '-expert' it's all your problem :-) 20:48 < rxr> clifford: I have no problem with this ;-) 20:48 < clifford> rxr: I want to make some music _now_. 20:48 < clifford> And I don't want to install cubase + windows .. 20:49 < rxr> clifford: done use your computer - or your perl scripts ;-) 20:49 < rxr> you could buy a mac ... 20:49 < rxr> + cubase 20:49 < clifford> rxr: I have a mac. 20:49 < clifford> yes - but no cubase for mac. 20:49 < rxr> with ROCK ;-) ? 20:49 < clifford> (btw - I think I even have no cubase for win at the moment) 20:49 < tsa> clifford: you could sing.. 20:50 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/projects/powerpc/powerpc.html 20:51 < clifford> tsa: no. 20:51 < rxr> clifford: yes i know ... so you have no Mac but the IBM box ? 20:51 < clifford> rxr: I have an iMac. 20:51 < clifford> the one I made the inital rock/ppc port on 16C3. 20:52 < rxr> clifford: ah - not much in use I guess ? 20:52 < zUnE-pizza> .. https://linux-sound.org/midi.html 20:52 < zUnE-pizza> havent tried many of them though 20:52 < clifford> rxr: I didn't turn it on since i have the RS/6k. 20:53 < rxr> clifford: did you modified perl5 lately? 20:53 < clifford> zUnE-pizza: I've tested already all sequencers (and trackers) listed there. 20:53 < rxr> it fails here - and I'm sure it worked some days ago ... ? 20:53 < zUnE-pizza> ill shutup then 20:54 < clifford> zUnE-pizza: but if you know something else. I've tried everything on that list and everything I've found on freshmeat. 20:54 < clifford> rxr: do yopu think cubase would run in wine? 20:54 < rxr> clifford: I would give it a 20% chance ... 20:54 < rxr> clifford: what about perl5 ? 20:55 * rxr needs subversion for the 1.7 tree ... 20:55 < clifford> rxr: I would give it a 2% chance that it will not dedect the dongle .. 20:55 < hackbard> hehe 20:55 < clifford> rxr: I wanted 20:55 < clifford> something which alowes my to "play arround". 20:56 < clifford> If you write your music as perl script you need to know exactly what you want. 20:56 < esden> clifford I have got the rock tools to compile under dietlibc ... 20:56 < rxr> clifford: yes I know - I'll do gsmp work in some weeks ... 20:56 < clifford> I think I will use a tracker and only generate sample with my synth .. 20:57 < rxr> clifford: perl5 ? 20:57 < clifford> rxr: yes? 20:57 < esden> now the fl_wrapper.so is being build only when the flwrapper.so is selected in the config ... 20:58 < rxr> clifford: I asked whether you modified perl5 because it fails in my 1.7 build! (And I'm sure it worked some days ago ...) 20:58 < clifford> esden: that was the old behavior... :-) 20:59 < clifford> oh - I thought you where talking about using perl5 for controling midi synths. 20:59 < esden> why have you changed that ? I can not build the .so with diet AFAIS 20:59 < esden> or am I wrong ? 20:59 < zUnE-pizza> ardour looks interesting 21:00 < clifford> esden: if you have strace selected, rund Built-Tools, and then select flwrapper.so 21:00 < rxr> zUnE-pizza: ardour has no midi 21:00 < rxr> zUnE-pizza: and it never compiled for me ... 21:00 < clifford> will than flwrapper.so built when it is started the next time? 21:00 < hackbard> clifford: where can i get ur tuxtronic from? i cant find it on freshmeat or google 21:01 < esden> clifford: hmm .... I am not sure 21:01 < clifford> hackbard: the song or the source? 21:01 < esden> I will have to test it ... 21:01 < hackbard> oh, thats a song? 21:01 < zUnE-pizza> at least it has mmc :) 21:01 < esden> clifford: ok so I will debug it and try to build it under diet too 21:01 -!- blindy|nothere is now known as blindcoder 21:01 < blindcoder> g'evening everyone 21:01 < esden> even if we do not use it under the diet target ... 21:02 < esden> hi blindcoder 21:02 < blindcoder> esden: The Zip-Drive in my laptop works fine again :D 21:02 < clifford> esden: you could also fix Built-Tools so it has a better check whether it should run a build .. 21:02 < esden> blindcoder: have you thrown it once more on the wall ? 21:02 < blindcoder> esden: that wouldn't have fixed anything 21:03 < blindcoder> esden: I don't understand much of these things as it concerns hardware 21:03 < blindcoder> esden: but I'm sure the thing that spins the magnetic disc inside of the zip-drive 21:03 < esden> clifford: ok that is another possibility ... I will see what I can do 21:03 < blindcoder> esden: should be FIXED on it and not floating around loosely 21:03 < blindcoder> esden: so I put a drop of VERY GOOD glue ("Sekundenkleber") on the right place to fixate it ;) 21:04 < blindcoder> esden: and since then it works 21:04 < esden> blindcoder: hehe ... this was the so called quick fix ;-) 21:05 < blindcoder> esden: well it works and now I'm compiling perl on my oversized pocket calculator 21:06 < esden> blindcoder: autsch 21:07 < esden> clifford: will there be a snap today ? 21:07 < clifford> esden: yes. 21:08 < rxr> clifford: are my patches in ? 21:08 < esden> clifford: when *nerv* 21:08 -!- martin_ [~martin@pD9E7AAF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:08 < rxr> hi martin_ 21:09 < martin_> hi rxr 21:09 < martin_> OpenOffice Bulid 641d kommt mit so 11 kByte nur an ... :( 21:10 < clifford> esden: the net-tools fix? 21:10 * rxr is hacking SANE code - some meters away 21:13 < esden> clifford: rxr asked because of the patches not me ... I know that my net-tools patch is in ... 21:13 < clifford> rxr: which one? 21:13 < clifford> gcc? 21:13 < rxr> only a gcc update - the last snap is not on the server anymore ... 21:14 < clifford> yes - that one is in. 21:14 < rxr> the Gnome2 stuff did not compile completely 21:14 < rxr> or do you wanna get this bits ? 21:14 < clifford> rxr: maybe you want to send a patch anyways? 21:14 < clifford> rxr: we've lost sync once. I don't want to reapeat that.. :-) 21:15 < rxr> clifford: you mean a year ago ? ;-) 21:15 < clifford> rxr: yes. 21:15 < rxr> ok then you get the expoerimental Gnome2 stuff ;-) 21:16 < rxr> 186355 May 14 21:15 2clifford-gnome2.patch 21:16 < clifford> rxr: btw - would it be complicated fo you to send me patches in a form which can be applied with -p1 ? 21:16 < rxr> it would be easy - sure ;-) 21:16 < rxr> but this will increase the size further ;-) 21:17 < clifford> yes - but it will prevent me from doing the same mistake for every patch you send me over and over again .. 21:17 < rxr> 195427 May 14 21:17 2clifford-gnome2.patch 21:17 < rxr> which mistake? 21:18 < clifford> using -p1 for applying it. (everyone else is sending -p1 patches) 21:18 < rxr> I'm always in the rock-src-1.7-working dir ... ;-) and you never complaint ... 21:19 < rxr> clifford: btw could we share the scripts/Internal script ? 21:19 < esden> I hate fli4l !!! 21:19 < tsa> so why do you use it, then? 21:20 < esden> I need a one disk router target in rock !!! 21:20 < esden> tsa: because I have once installed it (it was easy and fast to set up) and I had no time to reinstall my router till now :-( 21:21 < tsa> esden: du distributions-fremdgaenger! 21:21 < tsa> ;-) 21:21 < esden> tsa: soorrryyy :-( 21:22 < clifford> rxr: share? what do you mean? 21:22 < rxr> clifford: some options to rsync my source would be nice in Internal und Update-Src ;-) 21:24 < clifford> rxr: ??? 21:25 < rxr> so during tesing some bigger updates people could rsync my working set - and i have the rsync line (I alwaya re-grep from .bach_history) in the Internal script ;-) 21:25 < rxr> (but it is not that important ...) 21:27 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p508036BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:27 < rxr> clifford: mail is out ... 21:31 < rxr> clifford: but there is another thing that bothers me, everytime i want to take a look into the log file i have to find out which one in build/<$id>/logs/* is the actual one - is it really necesarry to use different ones each Build ? 21:32 < blindcoder> YAHOO!! Perl is finished compiling :D 21:33 < clifford> rxr: what if you do parallel builds of diffrent configs? 21:33 < clifford> btw: ./scripts/Create-ErrList is your friend. 21:34 * rxr wonders about all the new tiny scripts lying arround ... 21:34 < clifford> most of that stuff was in Internal before. 21:34 < clifford> Or in misc/archive/.. 21:35 * rxr wiped out Internal in dRock (now has only three private options ;-) 21:35 * rxr misc/archive ? wasn't this also wiped out in dRock ... ? ;_) 21:36 < clifford> are you sure about removing autoextract=1 from linux.conf? 21:36 < rxr> autoextract is the default, isn't it ? 21:37 < clifford> oh! yes. (cliff need some sleep and distanz to midi .. :-) 21:37 < rxr> ok ok -> I'll take a deep look into Check-PkgVersion and ErrList 21:38 < clifford> rxr: all applied. 21:38 < rxr> ;-) 21:38 < clifford> rxr: is that changelog line correct: 21:38 < clifford> - Rene Rebe: updated to gnome2 (still not stable) 21:39 < rxr> jups ;-) it is perfect ;-) 21:39 < clifford> ok. 21:39 < rxr> clifford: when I wouldn't have to rebuild 1.7 three times here the packages would work ... 21:40 < rxr> and btw. the .desc files needs to be filled - many gnome libs do not have a homepage and no detailed textual information online ... 21:40 < rxr> so they are currently rather *diet* ... 21:40 < clifford> rxr: does Check-PkgFormat fail? 21:41 < rxr> no (i hope) 21:41 * clifford checks .. 21:41 < rxr> they have all tags ... 21:41 < rxr> but the U ist often www.gnome.org A othen The GNOME Project and T some 1-2 lines I got into mind ... 21:41 < clifford> warnig - little flood .. 21:42 < clifford> gnome-db: Found dup: package/x11/gnome-db package/sourceforge/gnome-db 21:42 < clifford> gnome-games: Unknown package category: gnome/gamess 21:42 < clifford> kdeedu: Unknown package category: kde/gamess 21:42 < clifford> kdegames: Unknown package category: kde/gamess 21:42 < clifford> libglade1: package/x11/libglade1/libglade1.conf: line 4: unexpected EOF while looking for matching `"' 21:42 < clifford> libglade1: package/x11/libglade1/libglade1.conf: line 5: syntax error: unexpected end of file 21:42 < rxr> uups 21:42 < rxr> the kde ones are sed mismatches sorry :-( 21:42 * rxr schaem ... 21:42 < clifford> the dup is not so importand (when I do an Update-sourceforge it simply removes them :-) 21:43 < rxr> clifford: could you correct the ss for the games cat ;-)? 21:43 < clifford> extra1, extra2 and base doesn't contain any PkgFormat errors. 21:43 < clifford> sure. 21:44 < rxr> there is now a gnome and gnome2 prefix selection - and the default is /opt/$name for all ... 21:44 < rxr> libg 21:44 < clifford> lade1 .. 21:44 < rxr> lade1.conf is only missing a " ... 21:45 < clifford> also fixed. 21:45 < clifford> Check-PkgFormat is nice, isn't it? 21:46 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:46 < rxr> yes - although I was rather suprissed when I saw the hardcoded LICENSE tags ... 21:46 < holyolli> moin 21:46 < clifford> rxr: you may send a patch if it's so importand to you .. :-) 21:46 < clifford> hi olli. 21:46 < holyolli> hi clifford 21:47 < rxr> clifford: no - but I was suprissed that YOU do such hacks ... ;-) 21:47 < rxr> hi holyolli 21:47 < esden> hi holyolli 21:47 < holyolli> hi rxr 21:47 < holyolli> hi esden 21:48 * rxr needs to code SANE now ... 21:48 < blindcoder> esden: you still like megatokyo? 21:48 < clifford> rxr: I wanted to get it done ... :-) 21:49 < rxr> clifford: sure - but normally I see only 99.99% perfect code from your *g* 21:49 < esden> blindcoder: yes I do ... I have seen your private post ... I have also looked on it ... but I have to fight with rock now ... 21:49 < blindcoder> esden: then look at this one: https://www.cafepress.com/cp/store/productdetail.aspx?prodno=708858&zoom=yes#zoom 21:50 < clifford> rxr: https://www.rocklinux.org/releases/old/ 21:50 < clifford> you better don't download the 1.0b releases .. 21:51 < esden> hehe ... blindcoder I know it already 21:51 < rxr> clifford: erhm - you can be lucky, since I do not have the time. 21:52 < esden> clifford: the first releases are so small .. how cute ;-) 21:54 < clifford> cat ROCK-1.7.0-DEV/scripts/* | wc -l => 5053 21:54 < clifford> that's not that much ... 21:55 -!- kvak|uninvited [uninvited@p50803E2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ROCKLINUX 21:55 < esden> hmm ... yes you are right ... 21:55 < kvak|uninvited> Hi every1 21:55 < esden> hi uni 21:55 < blindcoder> hi uni 21:56 < kvak|uninvited> bchaters go irc ;-) 21:56 < blindcoder> esden: I'm currently working on the BG... but the blue spiral doesn't satisfy me... you don't have any suggestions, do you? 21:56 < esden> blindcoder: not really 21:57 < kvak|uninvited> intersting ... most interesting... 21:57 < clifford> rxr: we do not have an x11 mixer for alsa in the distribution ?!? 21:58 < rxr> gamix 21:58 < clifford> rxr: which package? 21:58 < rxr> clifford: extra1/gamix ? 21:59 < rxr> yes 21:59 * clifford is building gamix 21:59 < term_emu> n8 21:59 -!- term_emu [~pm@beaufort.wyzant.de] has quit ("zz") 22:01 < clifford> *wow* 22:03 < rxr> now you see why do not use oss since two years ? 22:03 < clifford> well .. the section for the onboard card is ok. 22:04 < clifford> but the section for the sblive has more fadres than my behringer studiomixer. 22:04 < rxr> oh I have also a behringer mixer here ;-) 22:05 < rxr> but only a MX2642A ... 22:05 < clifford> (ok the studiomixer has much mor ponits in the monitormatrix than this guis has faders ..) 22:05 < rxr> hehe 22:05 < clifford> here I have an MX3242X 22:07 < esden> undefined regerence to main ? wass soll die dreckige scheisse mann !!! 22:07 < clifford> that's enought for home recording .. 22:07 < clifford> esden: schoen sprechen. der channel ist jugendfrei. 22:08 < esden> clifford: sorry ... 22:08 * clifford released snapshot 1.7.0-DEV-200205142148. 22:09 -!- chrisime [~chrisime@p508036BC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Lost terminal") 22:09 < rxr> hm my 2.5.15 kernel has unresolved syms for some modules sigh 22:10 < blindcoder> I'm off to bed... have a good rest 22:10 < esden> n8 blindcoder 22:12 < tsa> cu blindcoder 22:14 < clifford> rxr: hieeeeeelfe! 22:14 < rxr> do we have some ROCK people in Taiwan? 22:14 < rxr> clifford: ??? 22:15 < clifford> ich schaff's nicht eine einfache aufname zu machen. 22:15 < clifford> ich fin'd den fader fuer den line in nicht ... 22:16 < rxr> clifford: oh wie soll ich dir dabei helfen ... 22:17 < esden> clifford: wie geht es eigentlich deinem elmbogen ? 22:17 < clifford> rxr: das hab' ich mir nocht nicht so genau ueberlegt :-) 22:17 < clifford> esden: ganz gut. Ich kann nur noch nicht wieder gitarre spielen 22:17 < clifford> (ich kann das handgelenk nicht weit genug verdrehen - aber das kommt auch noch) 22:18 < clifford> rxr: wlches device nimmt gsmp fuer die aufnahme? 22:18 < esden> clifford: dass ist irgendwie klar ... wird wieder ... 22:18 < rxr> device? das gleiche ALSA dsp device wie fuer die wiedergabe .. 22:18 < holyolli> clifford: kennst du denn einen weg, ne soundkarte mit maestro 2em anzusprechen? 22:22 < clifford> rxr: sollte sich im dialog "capture channel mix" was tun wenn daten vom line in kommen (ohne das gerade eine aufnahme laeuft) 22:23 < rxr> clifford: nein 22:23 < rxr> aufnahme IO muss mit aktiviertem do_capture laufen 22:24 < clifford> aha. 22:24 * clifford routet das radio auf den eingang der soundkarte .. 22:24 < clifford> (ich liebe gute mischpulte) 22:25 < holyolli> clifford: was für ne soundkarte benutzt du denn? 22:25 < rxr> clifford: bei dir laeft den ganzen tag des mischpult 22:25 < rxr> make 22:25 < rxr> ups 22:25 < holyolli> hehe 22:25 < tsa> make: *** No targets specified and no makefile found. Stop. 22:25 < rxr> cvs SUCKS SUCKS CUSKCskda fghvfa 22:25 < holyolli> hi tsa 22:25 < rxr> shit 22:26 < tsa> hehe 22:26 < rxr> argh 22:27 < rxr> a new broken cvs working copy 22:28 < clifford> rxr: nein. ich kann natuerlich auch ohne mischpult radio hoeren. 22:28 < holyolli> clifford? 22:28 * rxr wartet bis der cvs chekout fertig ist ... 22:29 < clifford> holyolli: ja? 22:30 < holyolli> clifford: was für ne soundkarte benutzt du denn? 22:31 < clifford> seit heute eine SB live. 22:31 < clifford> Heureka! 22:31 < clifford> rxr: ich bin schoen daemlich. 22:31 < holyolli> .oO(hoffentlich läuft clifford nicht gleich nackig durch die stadt (so wie archimedes..)) ;) 22:32 < clifford> ich hab' am mischpult das ganze (aus gewohnheit) nicht zum computer sondern zum mehrspurrecorder geroutet .. 22:32 < clifford> Outsch! Im radio renn "Always Hardcore" .. genau das brauch' ich jetzt. 22:33 < rxr> ;-) 22:33 * -> esden braucht mommentan "Murder on the Danceflore" 22:33 < rxr> ich brauch jetzt auch was gegen das dummige cvs kram - am besten wipe ... 22:34 * -> esden schaut fragend in die runde ... 22:34 * holyolli gibt esden ein stück internet mit www.edonkey2000.com 22:35 < huebi> re 22:35 < tsa> re huebi 22:35 < holyolli> hi huebi 22:35 < huebi> hi tsa 22:35 < huebi> oh holyolli ;-) 22:35 < holyolli> *g* 22:36 < esden> holyolli: ja ich habe ag angeshmissen ... ich weiss aber mein passwort nicht mehr und auch nicht welche e-mail adresse ich benutzt habe ... 22:36 < tsa> Sophie Ellis Bextor? 22:36 < tsa> passt das? 22:37 < holyolli> esden: *g* 22:37 < tsa> in grossen mengen vorhanden auf AG.. 22:39 < zUnE-pizza> hej holyolli 22:39 < holyolli> hej zUnE-pizza 22:39 < holyolli> hur är laget? ;-) 22:39 < zUnE-pizza> allt väl? 22:39 < tsa> LANG=en 22:39 < tsa> LANG=en 22:39 < tsa> LANG=en 22:39 < tsa> ! 22:39 < tsa> ;) 22:39 < holyolli> hehe 22:39 < zUnE-pizza> det är bra 22:39 < holyolli> ajo 22:40 < rxr> tsa: today is your LANG=en day = 22:40 < holyolli> *hm* and when is the LANG=se day? ;-) 22:40 < zUnE-pizza> LANG=zh_SG 22:41 < huebi> zUnE-pizza: hehe 22:41 < rxr> holyolli: in the night - when the .cr boys are alone ... 22:41 < huebi> zUnE-pizza: I hear... 22:41 < holyolli> rxr: se != es ;-) 22:41 < tsa> rxr: i know.. 22:41 < rxr> holyolli: oh - my attention is on my avision.c XEmacs buffer ;-) 22:41 < tsa> bash: xemacs: command not found 22:42 < tsa> ;) 22:42 < holyolli> hehe 22:42 < rxr> tsa: sorry that you do not have an editor *g* 22:43 < tsa> rxr: you don't have to be sorry....i'm used to editing with cat, ^d and sed.. :-P 22:43 < huebi> echo: The unbeatable editor.. 22:43 < tsa> oh..i am not alone, it seems ;) 22:43 < zUnE-pizza> and user friendly 22:43 < zUnE-pizza> perfect for the mouse ppl 22:44 < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ whereis cat 22:44 < tsa> cat: /bin/cat 22:44 < rxr> argh 22:44 < tsa> hm...incorrect 22:44 < tsa> cat is under the bed. 22:44 < holyolli> nack. cat is on the sofa 22:45 < zUnE-pizza> isnt it supposed to be the other way around? 22:45 < tsa> yours, perhaps.. 22:45 < holyolli> jepp 22:45 < zUnE-pizza> cat in sofa, mouse hiding under bed 22:45 < tsa> hehe 22:45 < huebi> oO a year ago had somebody from sun to install a box. He did it allmost without a keybord. He only used the mouse. 22:46 < zUnE-pizza> installed what? 22:46 -!- kvak|uninvited [uninvited@p50803E2A.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22:46 -!- zUnE-pizza is now known as zUnE 22:46 < huebi> EIS - Enterprise Installation Service. If you get in contact with them be carefull. They get Windose running on a E10K ;-) 22:47 < huebi> even if you need solaris. 22:47 < zUnE> how nice of them 22:47 < zUnE> whats the cost? 22:48 < zUnE> ;) 22:48 < huebi> zUnE: Unbelievable high prices. 22:49 < huebi> It was at the "Deutsche Telekom" the biggest customer of SUN. 22:49 < zUnE> get windows running cant be that much worth, click next three times. and clean the mouse to get ready for the experience 22:49 < huebi> zUnE: I tried it on my Ultra 30 and it worked! 22:50 < zUnE> that suuux 22:50 < huebi> It's that easy! 22:50 < huebi> With a SUN-PCi Coprocessor board ;P 22:50 < huebi> hehe 22:51 < huebi> In the moment Sun has a big problem. 22:51 < tsa> no share in the workstation market. 22:51 < huebi> I had very bad experiences with them. 22:52 < zUnE> because its dark maybe? 22:52 < holyolli> hehe 22:52 < huebi> A while ago they introduced LOM - The Lights OUt Manager, hehehe 22:53 < huebi> Special plug on Netra X1 22:53 < zUnE> Lights out manager, for the puch drunk! 22:53 < zUnE> a nice slogan 22:53 < zUnE> :) 22:54 < zUnE> Lights out manager, for the busy punch drunk admin 22:54 < zUnE> bofh compatible 22:55 < zUnE> hmm, im gonna go get a glass of wine 22:56 < huebi> SUN says: "Your admins are idiots. Take better our full service (with people you just fired) ;-)) 22:59 < rxr> clifford: and what does your sound-card do ? 22:59 < esden> I got it !!! 22:59 < esden> yeppiii 22:59 < tsa> esden: ? 23:00 < tsa> huebi: so admins are now recommending to buy ibm/hp/compaq/whatever, i guess... 23:00 * -> esden hearing "Sophie Ellis Bextor - Murder On The Dancefloor" 23:01 < esden> tsa: i got AG to run on my laptop ... now I can leech mp3's at the uni 23:01 < tsa> hehe 23:01 < huebi> at T-Online in Weiterstadt, the biggest inernet provider in Germany they think load about IBM 23:01 < huebi> hehe 23:02 < tsa> huebi: it's very easy. 23:02 < tsa> admins are pissed off. 23:03 < tsa> new admins won't exist because sun stuff is just too expensive. 23:03 < tsa> guess what will happen.. 23:03 * tsa introducing LOS - lights out sun .. 23:04 < tsa> sad but true. 23:04 < huebi> The SUN hardware is good, Solaris work fine on _big_ machines but the support Sun offers is worth only words I won't use here *g* 23:05 < huebi> tsa: light dimmed -53% last year... 23:05 < zUnE> openoffice 1.0, wonder how it compiles from source. 23:05 < huebi> zUnE: moment.. 23:06 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/files/OpenOffice_build <- here I stoped ;-))) 23:07 < zUnE> stoped ? 23:07 < huebi> # Install Berkeley DB 3.1.17 <- I got it not fixed 23:08 < tsa> hm.... 23:08 < zUnE> that is build 642 23:08 < huebi> jar -cvf db31.jar db-$db_ver <- It must be a jar arechive.. 23:08 < huebi> zUnE: Does not matter much 23:08 < tsa> i remember a lot of strange tools were needed when i tried to build OO about a year ago.. 23:08 < tsa> dmake 23:08 < tsa> .. 23:08 < tsa> is this still the same? 23:08 < huebi> buil642 i meen 23:08 < huebi> tsa: yes 23:09 < tsa> huebi: ok, so it still sucks. 23:09 < huebi> but it's build automaticly 23:10 < huebi> It's uncommon _and_ the documentation is outdated. 23:11 < huebi> and the installer segfaults under ROCK 23:11 < huebi> for binary installation. 23:12 < huebi> has SMP been here again? 23:12 < rxr> huebi: i haven't seen him+ 23:13 < huebi> OK. I call him tomorrow. Something bad must be happend. 23:13 < holyolli> uh..why? 23:13 < martin_> cu rxr 23:14 < tsa> huebi: hm..why do you think that? did he tell you he would show up here? 23:14 < huebi> holyolli: I think he is upset or something similar since the world disaster 23:15 < holyolli> "the world disaster"? 23:15 < tsa> holyolli: world.wronline.de afaik 23:15 < huebi> taACK 23:15 < huebi> ta ACK 23:15 < huebi> ta ACK 23:15 < huebi> tsa: ACK 23:15 < tsa> ? 23:15 < holyolli> hehe 23:15 < huebi> ahh. 23:15 < tsa> ROTFL. 23:15 < huebi> Thick fingers ;-( 23:15 < tsa> hehe ;) 23:16 < holyolli> "learning to control the own keyboard for dummies" 23:16 < tsa> what kind of machine was it, anyway? 23:16 < tsa> anything special? 23:16 < huebi> SMP's "I do all with it server" 23:17 < tsa> oh-oh 23:17 < holyolli> why disaster happend to him? 23:17 < holyolli> s/why/which 23:17 < tsa> holyolli: lvm problems, if i remeber correctly.. 23:17 < huebi> And usually he has been here. 23:18 < huebi> holyolli: Wracked harddisks/data while hardware upgrade ;( 23:18 -!- martin_ [~martin@pD9E7AAF6.dip.t-dialin.net] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:18 < holyolli> huebi: args 23:18 < huebi> lvmove did not work 23:19 < tsa> hope he didn't loose any important data without having a backup.. 23:19 < huebi> I hope so too 23:20 < holyolli> .oO(backup...das sollte ich auch mal wieder machen) 23:21 < tsa> hm... 23:21 < tsa> https://www.wronline.de/kontakt/index.php3?empfaenger=Paletta@WRonline.de 23:21 < tsa> interesting URL for their contact form 23:22 * tsa testing...will this send mail to myself? 23:28 < esden> is clifford around ? 23:44 < esden> cu all 23:44 < holyolli> cu esden 23:45 < zUnE> ok.. openoffice 1.0 building.. lets see how far i can go 23:45 < zUnE> ;) 23:45 < holyolli> hehe 23:46 < huebi> zUnE: What did you do for db 3.2.9? 23:47 < zUnE> berkely db is included in the sources, but it bombed out on its own compile of the same 23:47 < zUnE> right now 23:47 < zUnE> heheea --- Log closed Wed May 15 00:00:52 2002