-!- Irrsi  Log opened Thu May 30 00:00:28 2002
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[00:24] < tsa> c
[00:24] < tsa> you
[00:24] < tsa> argh
[00:24] < tsa> cu all.
[00:24] < tsa> i'm away.
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[00:32] < rxr> esden: bist du da ?
[00:34] < rxr> esden: bist du da ?
[00:39] < snyke> muh
[00:40] < rxr> l
[00:40] < rxr> arch I hate the irssi pager ...
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[00:41] < rxr> I so often overlook the -- more -- notice :-(
[00:44] < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > wc About-dRock.txt
[00:44] < rxr>      66     511    3107 About-dRock.txt
[00:44] < rxr> About dRock test for the rolling rock - should this ammount be enough ?
[00:46] < rxr> are all asleep ???
[00:47] < snyke> no
[00:47] < snyke> me not - not me
[00:48] < rxr> do you wanna prove read the dRock test ? ;-)
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[00:49] < rxr> ok
[00:49] < rxr> esden: I have a questions for you ...
[00:49] < snyke> a questions?
[00:49] < snyke> eine fragen?
[00:50] < rxr> snyke: you can prove-read my drock text not the IRC typos ... *g*
[00:51] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/files/About-dRock.txt
[00:51] < rxr> for the people who like to add some comments ...
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[00:56] < hackbard_> looks good
[00:56] < snyke> rxr: no
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[00:56] < snyke> needn't read that :)
[00:56] < snyke> *g*
[00:59] < rxr> hackbard: the article ?
[00:59] < hackbard> dont know anything you could add ..
[00:59] < hackbard> yes
[00:59] < rxr> ah ok - tnx
[01:22] < th> huebi: noch wach?
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[01:59] < d3mian> re
[02:00] < rxr> 1hi d3mian
[02:00] < rxr> and good night I need sleep
[02:01] < d3mian> sure .. sleep fine rene
[02:04] < capchaos> good morning d3mian ;-)
[02:05] < d3mian> morning to me?
[02:06] < capchaos> yes. its somewhat 2:00 here
[02:06] < capchaos> (my hwclock says 3:43 though..)
[02:07] < d3mian> ok, here starting the night, the sun is hidding now
[02:07] < d3mian> it's 18:08
[02:07] < capchaos> teetime ;)
[02:07] < capchaos> teatime i mean
[02:08] < d3mian> what's teatime? -> time for tea?
[02:08] < capchaos> yes
[02:08] < d3mian> ic, we dont use to drink tea, but you can say:
[02:08] < d3mian> coffetime
[02:09] < d3mian> coffeetime, we drink a lot of coffee here
[02:09] < capchaos> good as well
[02:10] < capchaos> if i had to choose i'd do without coffee
[02:10] < d3mian> hehe
[02:32] < rxr> n8
[02:32] < d3mian> cu
[02:32] < capchaos> nite rxr
[02:54] < d3mian> cu
[02:54] < d3mian> sleep capchaos
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[03:51] < hackbard> n8
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[04:01] < esden> hi all
[04:02] < esden> is someone still awake ?
[04:08] < esden> cu all
[04:08] < esden> n8
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[08:44] < huebi> moin
[08:54] < coldie> morning
[09:18]   coldie wishes there was some reliable news source in India
[09:22] < huebi> hi coldie ;-)
[09:24] < coldie> hi :)
[09:26] < huebi> coldie: what about foreign news sources?
[09:28] < coldie> they are useful (bbc, sydney morning herald) but I want something I can trust that's closer to the source
[09:29] < coldie> my gov't already issued a warning to consider leaving
[09:29] < coldie> but there's not enough info yet to decide :/
[09:42] < huebi> coldie: I had some experiences in Palestine. There you can trust only a few people what they say wath happend and what will happen in that country. It's quite difficult to get the right connections. The official news are normaly published to reach a goal not to say the truth
[09:42] < coldie> yeah, I noticed that
[09:43] < coldie> esp. in the newspaper here, there's so much stuff that just feels like anti-pakistan propaganda
[09:43] < coldie> but it is fun to read the reactions of the press
[09:44] < coldie> if unreliable
[09:44] < huebi> can you call an author of an indipendend news paper?
[09:45] < huebi> perhaps he will tell you some things between the lines..
[09:45] < coldie> don't know any :/ I've been trusting info from aussie and UK news sites
[09:46] < coldie> I'll ask the high commission here when I call to register today
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[09:48] < huebi> hi newbie_
[09:48] < newbie_> hi
[09:49] < newbie_> fist try of mozilla
[09:50] < huebi> coldie: The big news channel like CNN or BBC need tv-quotes (?) So they tell their own things to get the most people watching them
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[10:24] < rxr> re
[10:26] < huebi> moin rene
[10:27] < rxr> hi huebi
[10:28] < huebi> rxr: Ich bin gerade dabei, deine kernel packete in 1.5 zu uebernehmen.
[10:37] < rxr> nice huebi
[10:37] < rxr> I can not help because I just need to do some preparations for physic and get of to the fh in a hour ...
[10:47] < huebi> rxr: Heute? Hier in Hessen ist Feiertag.
[10:49] < rxr> nee hier nicht
[10:49] < rxr> Berlin ...
[10:51] < huebi> ah, ok. Ich muss heute auch noch viel arbeiten. Kernelpackete fuer ROCk 8 Server dokumentieren, Oracleinstallationsanleitung fuer rocklinux, cups als default print service in rock 1.5
[10:52] < huebi> mt-st fuer rock
[10:52] < huebi> cpio ueberarbeiten
[10:53] < huebi> und mich schnell mal wieder in den Verita Volume Manager fuer SUN einarbeiten.
[11:13] < rxr> mt-st ist in dRock - cups auch ...
[11:14] < rxr> much fun cut'n pasting ...
[11:16] < rxr> cu later. /me @ fh ...
[11:31] < th> re
[12:04] < th> huebi: cups als default? nix mehr mit lpr?
[12:04] < th> huebi: oder doch?
[12:04] < th> huebi: is das nur ein filter?
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[12:51] < praenti> moin
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[13:16] < praenti> huebi: da?
[13:21] < blindcoder> moin
[13:34] < praenti> moin blindcoder
[13:36] < blindcoder> sers
[13:36]   blindcoder sleepy >_<
[13:42] < bluefire> Moin auch
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[13:44] < netcrow> moin
[13:58] < esden> hi all
[13:58] < esden> or : einen wuenderschoenen guten morgen
[13:58] < esden> ;-)
[14:01] < praenti> moin esden. bin glei wieda da
[14:01] < esden> kk
[14:02] < esden> we have someone from india now ?
[14:02] < netcrow> yes, me ;-)
[14:02] < esden> coldie: are you born in india ... or only living there ?
[14:02] < esden> netcrow: lool
[14:03] < esden> netcrow: indernet kraehe
[14:03] < netcrow> lol
[14:03]   esden searching cigarettes ...
[14:04] < praenti> so weida da
[14:04] < esden> I hate sun !!! argh
[14:04] < esden> re praenti
[14:06] < blindcoder> hi esden
[14:07] < esden> hi crash ... (ausgeschlafen ?)
[14:08] < blindcoder> ja
[14:08] < blindcoder> so halbwegs
[14:09] < blindcoder> momentan fix ich meine download locations fuer 1.5.15
[14:13] < esden> hi rxr
[14:13] < esden> ohh
[14:13] < esden> that was scrollback ...
[14:13] < esden> hmpf
[14:13] < esden> blindcoder: do it ...
[14:14] < blindcoder> about 25 defect URLs >_<
[14:16]   esden needs clifford !
[14:17] < esden> I have not seen him here for a long time ... >_<
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[14:19] < esden> hi hackbard
[14:19] < hackbard> moin
[14:20] < hackbard> hoi esden
[14:20] < esden> cool vim is on linuxtag !!! woot
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[14:33] < darKy> moin
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[14:39] < rxr> re
[14:39] < praenti> re
[14:43] < esden> re rxr
[14:43] < rxr> hi esden  ;-)!
[14:44] < rxr> we would like to get a Gnome2 announcement onto www.gnome.org (gentoo and freebsd hat too) - maybe your colegue (?) christine (or so?) who showed up in this channels some times could submit it to news.gnome.org ?
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[14:46] < esden> I will talk to chrisme when I see him at my uni ... but it will be first next week ... I am not going @ uni this week anymore ;-)
[14:47] < blindcoder> esden: don't be so lazy :D
[14:47] < rxr> esden: do you have his email address ?
[14:47] < esden> blindcoder: du bist ganz staad !
[14:47] < esden> rxr: no sorry :-( (but I will get his e-mail address then ..)
[14:53] < rxr> ah nice
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[15:02] < esden> rxr: is gnome2 fully functional now
[15:02] < esden> ?
[15:03] < rxr> hm mostly - and Gnome2 is currently slightly instablet - and lacks many features ...
[15:08] < esden> rxr: where is the announcment ? an gnome.org ?
[15:09] < rxr> esden: what?
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[15:09] < rxr> urghs 2.4.19-pre8.gz 5.3MB !!!
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[15:10] < esden> rxr: small patch ;-)
[15:11] < esden> rxr: I mean you said that we would like to have an announcment an www.gnome.org ... and that gentoo and freebsd had an announcment already ... where are their announcments ?
[15:12] < rxr> ah now your sentence makes sense ;-)
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[15:13] < rxr> https://news.gnome.org/
[15:13] < esden> ok ...
[15:13] < rxr> GNOME 2.0 Desktop Beta 5: Now Available on FreeBSD
[15:13] < rxr> Gnome2 -beta5 and beyond available on Gentoo
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[15:13] < esden> ahh here !
[15:14] < term_emu> re
[15:14] < huebi> re
[15:14] < esden> re term_emu
[15:14] < esden> re huebi (?)
[15:15] < huebi> jo esden wider wach ;-)
[15:15] < huebi> +e
[15:15]   esden pennt gleich ein ... :-(
[15:16] < huebi> 28 Grad hier im Zimmer. Wird Zeit fuer die JavaStation und ein Netzwerkkabel in den Keller.
[15:16] < esden> lol
[15:17]   esden braucht klimanlage im zimmer
[15:17] < huebi> die JaveStation braucht maximal 30 Watt
[15:17] < huebi> Klimaanlage hatte ich mal. Ist auch unangenehm laut.
[15:17] < rxr> huebi: + TFT display ? Or an hot CRT ?
[15:19] < huebi> Me personally prefers 21", 1600x1200, 85Hz, 32Bit.
[15:19] < huebi> but TFT does not use 100 -150 Watt
[15:20] < huebi> And at least 2, better 3 screens ;-)
[15:27] < huebi> The default kernel configuration must bew changed. MTRR and High Memory Support must be enabled
[15:27] < huebi> or better should be
[15:28] < rxr> MTRR yes (is in dRock too ..) but High Memory Support ???
[15:28] < rxr> remeber  that with each feature the kernel gets bigger - and you might end up with problems on the boot-disks (cd) ...
[15:29] < huebi> rxr: Yes, it's getting bigger. The boot/install stuff also should be revised.
[15:29] < rxr> for 1.6 ? Much fun ...
[15:32] < huebi> It could be enought if the boot disks can find the cdrom _or_ the network. After mounting the cdrom / getting network up and runnig, the rootfs could be mounted from cdron/nfs
[15:33] < huebi> We still need the 2.88MB floppy image on cdrom to boot old boxes from cdrom, too
[15:33] < rxr> but then you need many SCSI drivers in the kernel for moutning the CD ...
[15:35] < huebi> Yes, all of them
[15:35] < rxr> ...
[15:35] < huebi> we can use one floppy image for net and one for cdrom
[15:36] < rxr> and I guess such an big image doens't fit onto a 1.44 MB floppy you need for disk booting ...
[15:36] < huebi> 63 floppy images are said to be possible on a bootable cdrom
[15:37] < esden> lpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# du -sh /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/
[15:37] < esden> 40M     /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs
[15:37] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
[15:37] < rxr> so 2.4.19-pre9 running on my box
[15:37] < huebi> on 1.44 MB it could be a simple kernel without the most stuff needed and then a modules floppy disk in addition
[15:37] < esden> hmm ... unpacked 217MB
[15:38] < esden> that will NOT fit on a install disk ;-)
[15:38] < rxr> how big are they when dyn-linked with glibc ?
[15:38] < esden> no idea ...
[15:39] < huebi> 217MB is nothing - and fefe's weight is not more than 55kg
[15:39] < esden> do you have compiled drock 1.7 ?
[15:39] < esden> huebi: rofl ...
[15:40] < esden> rxr: tell me how big is your bash packet ... from "normal" 1.7 rock
[15:40] < huebi> Kernel support for ELF binaries (CONFIG_BINFMT_ELF) [M/n/y/?]  <- should that better be Y?
[15:40] < rxr> huebi: this included gcc2 gcc3 binutils ... no wonder it is big ...
[15:40] < esden> huebi: it should be Y ...
[15:40] < th> huebi: i really think so
[15:41] < rxr> esden: rene@jackson:/rock-linux/rock-1.7/build/default-backup/pkgs > l bash.tar.bz2
[15:41] < rxr> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1352175 May 28 11:39 bash.tar.bz2
[15:41] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# ls /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/
[15:41] < esden> 00-dirtree.tar.bz2  bzip2.tar.bz2      e2fsprogs.tar.bz2  gawk.tar.bz2  gzip.tar.bz2       make.tar.bz2       readline.tar.bz2  sysvinit.tar.bz2  textutils.tar.bz2
[15:41] < esden> bash.tar.bz2        curl.tar.bz2       fileutils.tar.bz2  gcc2.tar.bz2  linux-src.tar.bz2  net-tools.tar.bz2  sed.tar.bz2       tar.tar.bz2       util-linux.tar.bz2
[15:41] < esden> binutils.tar.bz2    dietlibc.tar.bz2   findutils.tar.bz2  gcc3.tar.bz2  linux.tar.bz2      patch.tar.bz2      sh-utils.tar.bz2  termcap.tar.bz2   wget.tar.bz2
[15:41] < esden> bison.tar.bz2       diffutils.tar.bz2  flex.tar.bz2       grep.tar.bz2  m4.tar.bz2         pdksh.tar.bz2      sysfiles.tar.bz2  texinfo.tar.bz2
[15:41] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
[15:42] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# ls -l /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/bash.tar.bz2
[15:42] < esden> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root      1337191 May 29 15:11 /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/pkgs/bash.tar.bz2
[15:42] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
[15:43] < rxr> hm - but the bash includes much functionality - dietlibc is only a win when you need many small progs ...
[15:51] < esden> do I see it right that the staticly linked dietlibc based bash is 14984 bytes smaller thet the dunamicly linked glibc based version ?
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[15:56] < rxr> esden: what do you compare? the .bz files ?
[15:59] < esden> yes ... so the binarys should be much bigger ...
[16:00] < esden> rxr: give me the size of the tar
[16:00] < rxr> esden: no
[16:00] < esden> the unpacked tar
[16:00] < esden> ??
[16:00] < rxr> esden we need to compare the binary ...
[16:00] < esden> ok
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[16:01] < rxr> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       520628 May 29 16:27 bash
[16:01] < rxr> (but maybe your bash and mine differ in feature details (like NF
[16:01] < huebi> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       522564 Mar 17 01:35 /bin/bash
[16:01] < rxr> LS and so )
[16:01] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys/test# ls -l ../bin/bash
[16:01] < esden> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root       473656 May 29 15:10 ../bin/bash
[16:01] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys/test#
[16:01] < rxr> huebi: yours is optimized I guess ...
[16:02] < huebi> Yes, for k7 or so
[16:02] < rxr> esden: so your bash is smaller and doesn't need the 1.5 MB glibc ...
[16:02] < esden> rxr: yepp
[16:03] < rxr> but adding many more progs glibc might become a win when the progs are compiled with the same feature set ...
[16:04] < esden> rxr: hmm ... I suppose you are right
[16:05] < rxr> oh the open nap server are still online - nice
[16:12] < esden> does someone want a dietlibc test system ? ;-)
[16:12] < huebi> jo
[16:12] < esden> I will put the binare tar.gz online
[16:12] < huebi> ok
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[16:12] < huebi> hi d3mian
[16:13] < d3mian> hi huebi
[16:13] < d3mian> hi all
[16:13] < huebi> good morning d3mian ;-)
[16:14] < d3mian> sure, afternoon for you :)
[16:15] < praenti> huebi: hi
[16:15] < huebi> hu praenti
[16:16] < praenti> huebi: is there a webcvs from cvs.rocklinux.de?
[16:16] < huebi> SMP: is the webscv done?
[16:16] < esden> after you got the dietsys, unpack it, mount devfs and prock, then you can changeroot with: cd dietsys; chroot . /bin/sh -login
[16:17] < huebi> praenti: SMP wanted to do that but I don't know if he has finished that.
[16:18] < huebi> th: Do you know anything about cvsweb?
[16:18] < praenti> huebi: ok. it not so important. i normally use it when i browse through the tree. but i think i will also live if the webcvs needs a few days
[16:18] < th> huebi: not more than you
[16:18] < th> huebi: you told me that you think smp is on it
[16:18] < huebi> th: ok
[16:19] < th> huebi: but i know: we really need it
[16:19] < huebi> th, praenti: SMP is not online in the moment.
[16:19] < th> huebi: got my mail?
[16:20] < th> huebi: about krups transfer
[16:20] < huebi> th: Smp should get it at Linuxtag, am I right?
[16:20] < th> no
[16:21] < th> i sent you a mail yesterday
[16:21] < huebi> I had no look at mail right now.
[16:21] < th> a freind of mine is at LT. he is from md and rcpt of the 2nd machine
[16:22] < th> s,freind,friend,
[16:22] < esden> https://home.esden.net/rock/dietsys.tar.bz2
[16:22] < th> i sent you some contact information and requestet you cellular nom
[16:22] < th> s,stet,sted,
[16:22] < huebi> I got it
[16:22] < th> s,you,your,
[16:23]   esden away eating (please test dietsys)
[16:23] < huebi> 0178-2020253
[16:23] < th> ok
[16:43] < esden> ohh ... my connection is pretty filled ... ;-)
[16:44] < esden> who is now getting the dietsys ?
[16:44] < huebi> esden: Ich
[16:44] < esden> gut @ huebi
[16:44] < huebi> 20 min left
[16:44] < esden> who else ? ;-)
[16:44] < esden> 16kb up ... I know it is not much
[16:44] < huebi> I get 16.4 KB/sec should only be me
[16:45] < esden> aha ... ok
[16:45]   esden goes to club now
[16:45] < esden> cu l8ter
[16:45] < rxr> cu esden
[16:45] < huebi> e have fun
[16:45] < huebi> esden: have fun
[16:45] < huebi> ;-)
[16:46] < esden> hehe
[16:46]   esden will try
[16:49] < rxr> Do the vendors add patches? Half of that is vendor extensions, that is
[16:49] < rxr> their business. Half of that is their stupidity. They blindly copy the
[16:49] < rxr> patches other vendors apply "it is a patch - must be an improvement";
[16:49] < rxr> sometimes I have to reject the same buggy patch more than a dozen times.
[16:50] < rxr> When I ask for the reason of a patch, they don't know themselves.)
[16:50] < rxr> --
[16:50] < rxr> hehe
[16:50] < huebi> rxr: author?
[16:50] < huebi> lol
[16:53] < rxr> Andries.Brouwer@cwi.nl
[16:53] < rxr> linux-kernel
[16:53] < rxr> I think util-linux maintainer ...
[16:58] < th> later folks... my favorite MOTOS is waiting...
[16:59] < d3mian> culater
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[17:13]   rxr hopes to not get flamed to death for the two replies to linux-kernel that just got out here ...
[17:14] < huebi> rxr: ?
[17:14] < esden> re hi all
[17:16] < esden> hmm ... /me reading rxr lkml posts ;-)
[17:16] < esden> then I will flame him ... ;-)
[17:18] < rxr> only some comments on the usual strange post of Martin Dalecki
[17:19] < rxr> although I like his 2.5 IDE cleanups ...
[17:19] < rxr> s/post/posts/
[17:21] < esden> rxr: ok read ... argh ... who is this guy that says that devfs was a misconcept ... /me auf 180
[17:22] < rxr> esden: you see why I HAD to reply ;-)
[17:23] < esden> rxr: yups ... sure ... I hate ignorant people !
[17:24] < rxr> ... tells you exactly nothing, because redhat people would even patch
[17:24] < rxr> /bin/true if it could be made to do anything extra.
[17:24] < rxr> LOL hehehe
[17:24] < esden> yes lol  ;-)
[17:24] < rxr> Linus has explicitly stated he wants to do this and make all disks
[17:24] < rxr> appear the same and the same place. It actually makes lots of sense.
[17:24] < rxr> KOOL
[17:25] < rxr> now I read this the second time and this would ROCK
[17:25] < esden> rxr: yups
[17:25] < esden> this will be a grate improovement
[17:27] < esden> huebi: are you ready downloading ?
[17:30] < praenti> huebi: wer hat da automake 1.6 bei 1.5.15 eingebaut?
[17:33] < huebi> esden: jo fertig
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[17:38] < praenti> huebi: kannst du da wieder ein automake 1.5 einbauen. automake 1.6 macht mit einigen paketen probleme unter anderem mit kde
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[17:42] < SMP> hmmm
[17:42] < huebi> SMP: world war ebend kurz wech. Was war?
[17:42] < SMP> k.A.
[17:43] < huebi> Tumbe Teletuppies?
[17:43] < SMP> ich hatte kein Problem zum IRCNet
[17:43] < huebi> Ich konne world nicht anpingen.
[17:44] < huebi> +t
[17:45] < SMP> tjum
[17:45] < SMP> egal
[17:45] < huebi> egal, solange die Telekom noch mit mischt, ist die Fehlerbehebung sowieso zwecklos.
[17:51] < esden> I hate perl ... I do not want perl ... >_<
[17:52] < esden>   Perl 5.005_03 or later is required: autom4te is written in Perl and is
[17:52] < esden>   needed by autoconf.  autoheader, autoreconf, ifnames, and autoscan are
[17:52] < esden>   rewritten in Perl.
[17:53] < esden> toll echt toll >_<
[17:54] < SMP> ?!
[17:54] < hackbard> rxr: could you dcc me ur .config? my gcc3.1 compiled kernel fails with: Fast Data MMU Miss
[17:54] < rxr> hackbard: ok
[17:54] < rxr> mom
[17:54] < rxr> hi btw ,-)
[17:54] < hackbard> morning :)
[17:55] < hackbard> actually i dont think its the .config ... but you never know
[17:55] < esden> SMP: the idiots at automake use perl since the last version ... and getting perl running under dietlibc is not trivial
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[17:55] < hackbard> wb huebi!
[17:56] < huebi_> weiss jemand wie ich eine screen seccieon wieder zurueck bekomme, wenn ich den socket geloescht habe?
[17:56] < SMP> hehe
[17:57] < huebi_> SMP: Hast du eine Idee?
[17:57] < SMP> geht nicht
[17:58] < huebi_> hmm
[17:58] < huebi_> gnumpf!
[17:58] < huebi_> brb
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[18:00] < huebi> rm -rf /tmp um meinen cvs Muell los zu werden war wohl ein bischen daneben.
[18:01] < SMP> d'oh
[18:11] < praenti> huebi: [17:38] < praenti> huebi: kannst du da wieder ein automake 1.5 einbauen. automake 1.6 macht mit
[18:11] < praenti>                    einigen paketen probleme unter anderem mit kde
[18:12] < huebi> jo, mache ich
[18:12] < praenti> danke
[18:12] < praenti> muss wech. cya
[18:13] < huebi> praenti: cu
[18:52] < fake> moin
[18:52] < huebi> hi fake
[18:52] < fake> hm...
[18:52] < fake> why the hell does my indigo2's /bin/bash want libncurses?
[18:53] < fake> i haven't even compiled it yet (stage1->stage2 chroot)
[18:55] < fake> Build-Pkg-ing it now...
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[19:02] < huebi> SMP: Wie weit bist du denn mit cvsweb?
[19:03] < fake> frontpageweb
[19:03] < fake> *g*
[19:03] < huebi> hehe
[19:19] < fake> yippie.
[19:19] < fake> buidling ncurses in stage 1 by BuildPkg manually worked...
[19:20] < fake> and now the chroot works.
[19:20] < fake> *phew*
[19:35] < esden> fake: do you want to test a dietilbc system ? I have a tarball here : https://home.esden.net/rock/dietsys.tar.bz2
[19:35] < esden> *protz* *angeb*
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[19:49] < tomik> hello
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[19:50] < Mike1> Hi all
[19:50] < Mike1> rxr: are you awake?
[19:51] < rxr> sure
[19:51] < rxr> hi Mike1
[19:51] < Mike1> how are you rxr
[19:51] < rxr> oh the usual well-ness ;-)
[19:51] < Mike1> rxr: was there any bug with /proc on drock 1.4.0?
[19:51] < rxr> you too?
[19:51] < Mike1> ja mir es gut
[19:52] < tomik> i got strange problem ;( at kernel boot system halt after "hda: ... sectors (...) ... cache etc.
[19:52] < rxr> Mike1: I do not think so ...
[19:52] < Mike1> rxr: for some reason /proc/sys does not exist after a fresh instalation
[19:52] < Mike1> any ideas?
[19:52] < tomik> any ideas?
[19:52] < Mike1> lol
[19:53] < rxr> Mike1: this error messages are often missleading - because the kernel hangs in the next check no in the driver that just displayed the textual informations ...
[19:53] < Mike1> rxr: ?
[19:53] < Mike1> rxr: tomik asked that not me
[19:53] < rxr> Mike1: We might no include sysctl support in the shipped kernel ... because of space reasons on the install-disks ...
[19:53] < Mike1> rxr: what about my /proc/sys/* problem?
[19:53] < tomik> same disk with same system boot on another computer without problems
[19:54] < rxr> so hardware related
[19:54] < tomik> i think the problem is somewhere in kernel IDE drivers...?
[19:54] < tomik> or setup...
[19:54] < Mike1> rxr ?
[19:54] < rxr> might be one strange net-controller driver in Linux which we already disabled in dRock-1.6.0-prex ...
[19:55] < rxr> Mike1: ? Hey I can not type faster ...
[19:55] < rxr> Mike1: so you mix different provs here ...
[19:55] < Mike1> rxr: yeah you can :P
[19:55] < Mike1> rxr: do you know what net controller is it?
[19:55] < rxr> Mike1: believe me - I already type quite fast ...
[19:55] < Mike1> rxr: ok
[19:56] < rxr> # hangs during detection on some laptops
[19:56] < rxr> # CONFIG_DE4X5 is not set
[19:56] < rxr> ^- this driver ...
[19:56] < rxr> it is disabled in the latest releases ...
[19:56] < rxr> so in a sorted order ...
[19:56] < Mike1> ok i am going to have a look
[19:56] < rxr> 1. /proc/sys/* - might be missing due to lack of space on the boot disk and so the support is not included ...
[19:57] < Mike1> what do you mean?
[19:57] < rxr> 2. boot hangs -> kernel <-> hardware issue. This is also not dRock specific try to build a custom kernel with exactly the features your box has ...
[19:57] < rxr> Mike1: this was only a sorted list of the different probs  you tlaked about ...
[19:58] < Mike1> rxr: ok well thanks anyway
[19:58] < Mike1> see you later
[19:58] < rxr> I wanted to point them out to make shure the mix aboce doesn't confuse oyu ...
[19:58] < tomik> my boot hangs too... but its not problem with net device ;(
[19:58] < rxr> cu Mike1
[19:58] < rxr> tomik: what does you boot do ?
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[19:59] < tomik> rxr: it hangs after the "hda: ... sectors ... cache etc" line
[19:59] < tomik> no error message...nothing
[19:59] < rxr> a this s what Mike reported ...
[19:59] < rxr> does the boot-cd (install-cd) of dRock boots ok ?
[19:59] < tomik> will try
[19:59] < tomik> mom
[20:00] < rxr> should fail in the same way - I guess
[20:01] < tomik> Kernel panic: attempted to kill the idle task
[20:01] < tomik> idle task - not syncing
[20:01] < rxr> hae ?? Are you sure you have no hardware problem ?
[20:01] < rxr> do you have a cd-burner ?
[20:02] < rxr> err cd-writer
[20:02] < tomik> the same disk on another computer boot without any problem
[20:02] < tomik> with the same system
[20:02] < rxr> sure it is a hardware <-> kernel issue
[20:02] < tomik> in this case hardware
[20:03] < tomik> but which piece of this compaq shit... :(
[20:03] < rxr> tomik: you have a cdwriter and a cd-rw or so ?
[20:03] < tomik> no, cd only
[20:03] < rxr> oh ok
[20:04] < rxr> could you then run the memtest on the CD some ours ?
[20:04] < rxr> +h
[20:04] < fake> https://unitedlinux.com/
[20:04] < fake> >_<
[20:05] < tomik> memtest is on rock cd?
[20:05] < rxr> jups
[20:05] < rxr> simply type memtest (or was it memtest86 ?) on the cd's lilo prompt ...
[20:05] < tomik> ok, but first i must force this comp to boot rock cd :)
[20:05] < rxr> huh ?
[20:05] < tomik> ah, ok
[20:06] < huebi> memtest is a boot image ;-)
[20:06] < rxr> tomik: and from which system was: 20:01 < tomik> Kernel panic: attempted to kill the idle task
[20:07] < tomik> rock 1.5.13
[20:08] < rxr> erh hae? Now I'm puzzled ...
[20:08] < fake> hm. firewire is now firewire!
[20:08] < huebi> fake: jo ;-)
[20:08] < fake> tomik> on the boot prompt simply enter memtest, not rock
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[20:09] < uninvited> hiiiii
[20:09] < tomik> ok, but theres only ramdisk
[20:09] < huebi> tomik: If you see: Lil0 22.1 hit <shift> then enter memtest
[20:09] < huebi> hu uninvited
[20:11] < tomik> <tab> shows images, right?
[20:11] < rxr> jo
[20:11] < huebi> tomik: jo
[20:11] < tomik> ok, i see ramdisk only
[20:11] < huebi> hmm
[20:12] < huebi> there should be memtest, too
[20:12] < rxr> it was disabled in some rock versions ...
[20:12] < fake> what if you enter memtest anyways?
[20:12] < tomik> but
[20:12] < huebi> Ok, I put it on the TODO list now
[20:12] < tomik> i removed ram from one slot
[20:12] < tomik> and system boot
[20:12] < tomik> bad ram...
[20:12] < rxr> tomik: as usual ...
[20:13] < tomik> its a way without memtest :)
[20:13]   huebi had bad RAM this year for 3 times in a SUN
[20:13] < tomik> thanks for kickin'
[20:14] < fake> who kicked you? ;)
[20:14] < tomik> :)
[20:14]   fake tabacho holen
[20:18] < tomik> thanks for help :)
[20:21]   esden goes klenze
[20:21] < esden> cu all
[20:21]   esden be back
[20:21] < huebi> cu esden
[20:22] < uninvited> esden> What will ya do at klenze ?
[20:22] < huebi> wtf is klenze ? ;-)
[20:23] < uninvited> definition klenze: R U L E S !
[20:23] < huebi> uninvited: hae?
[20:23] < uninvited> hehe
[20:23] < uninvited> ;-)
[20:23] < uninvited> klenze ist ein park. ;-)
[20:24] < huebi> uninvited: so richtig mit Baeumen?
[20:25] < uninvited> Hmmm, die Bäume interessieren mich nur sekundär. Hauptsächlich besteht mein Interesse an K20ern, conchicas en masse, usw... aber Bäume gibts auch. Ein paar. Die sind sogar noch gruen.
[20:25]   uninvited geht richtig aus sich raus mit Definitionen
[20:26] < huebi> hmm, nett ;-)
[20:27] < uninvited> *LOL*
[20:27] < uninvited> esden> Was machst du den im Klenze?
[20:29] < uninvited> welche maximale Reichweite haben WLANs ?
[20:30] < huebi> uninvited: depends ;-) Im Haus ca 30m
[20:32] < uninvited> huebi> und nach ausserhalb ? Mit Sendeanlage aussen angebracht ? Kann man die Reichweite der Station erhöhen ?
[20:33] < huebi> Ich achaetze mal 50m Wenn du dir eine Richtantenne baust, garantiert wesendlich mehr.
[20:33] < uninvited> Hmmmm...
[20:33]   uninvited thinks...
[20:34] < huebi> Antennenbau = viel lernen und basteln
[20:34] < huebi> lambda/4 ...
[20:35] < uninvited> huebi> mist, hab von Antennen und Funk null Ahnung. Meine Eltern wohnen nicht weit weg vom Klenze-Park...
[20:35] < huebi> Fuer lange Strecken Laser
[20:35] < uninvited> ...und die kommende Woche bekomm ich ein geiles Notebook von der Firma gestellt, für dich ich derzeit arbeite.
[20:36] < uninvited> Mit WLAN Karte...
[20:36] < uninvited> ;-)
[20:36] < huebi> uninvited: und du willst dann im Klenze arbeiten?
[20:36] < uninvited> Hehehehe...
[20:36] < uninvited> Bingo ;-)
[20:36] < fake> re.
[20:36] < huebi> Mit Windoofs?
[20:37] < huebi> re fake
[20:37] < uninvited> Standard ist 2000 druff. Das liefern die so aus. Was ich gesehen habe mit WLAN-Karte von LUCENT.
[20:37] < huebi> Also jeder im Klenze darf sich dann auf deiner Festplatte tummeln?
[20:38] < uninvited> Und ich hab noch NIX mit WLAN gemacht.
[20:38] < uninvited> Von mir aus ;-)
[20:38] < fake> <-- auch nich
[20:38] < uninvited> Nee ich dachte daran so ne Station bei meinen Eltern aufzustellen und dann praktisch jemaden DSL oder so über die Station zur Verfügung zu stellen...
[20:38] < uninvited> jeden, meine ich.
[20:39] < huebi> Ich glaube, da braucht deine Basisstation _und_ deine WLAN Karte ein bischen mehr Boost.
[20:40] < uninvited> Aha.
[20:40] < uninvited> Das wird dann sicher zu teuer
[20:40] < huebi> jo
[20:40] < huebi> Macht aber Spass.
[20:41] < uninvited> Schon was in der Richtung zu Hause ?
[20:41] < fake> xs4ll@klenze... cool!
[20:42] < fake> uni> musst du mal der stadt vorschlagen
[20:42] < uninvited> fake> du meinst aber nicht die Stadt in der ich derzeit lebe, oder ?
[20:43] < huebi> Ein Bekannter hat mal Probleme mit 'nem Hobbyfunker in der Nachbarschaft gehabt. Er konnte nicht mehr fernsehen. Nachdem der Nachbar die Megafunke nicht abgeschaltet hat, hat er sich aus de Fa. einen 1KW Messsender mitgebracht und aus des Nachbarns Eingangsstufe mal den Rauch abgelassen ;-)
[20:43] < uninvited> hehehe gut getriggert ;-)
[20:44] < fake> huebi: hehe. jaa so stories kenn ich auch... wie der der mne alte roentgenanlage umgebaut hat.... *g*
[20:44] < fake> uninvited: IN halt
[20:44] < fake> 40kW *muahah*
[20:44] < huebi> Gab nie wieder Aerger mit dem Nachbarn ;-)
[20:44] < huebi> fake: Erzaehl.. hort sich gut an...
[20:45] < uninvited> fake> in IN gibts im Klenzepark höchstens mal Freibier (da bin ich auch nicht abgeneigt) - aber moderne Technik ? Nee, zu riskant,... ;-)
[20:45] < fake> huebi: hab ich mal gehört. jmd hat aus ner alten arztpracis ne roentgenanlage gecheckt und is damit auf CB-Funker-Jagd gegangen ;)
[20:46] < fake> uni> ELEKTROSMOOOOG!
[20:46] < uninvited> fake> viel gefährlicher:
[20:46] < uninvited> fake> INNOVATIONEN
[20:46] < uninvited> Das wäre ein Bruch mit der Tradition *schwaffel*
[20:47] < uninvited> fake> und 1960 haben wir sowas auch nicht gehabt, oder ?
[20:47] < uninvited> Ja ich kann die versammelte Stadt-Elite reden hören.
[20:48] < huebi> Der typ ist schon ein bischen abgefahren. Er hat irgendwann mal seine Armbandurh mit einem Iridiumnormal abgeglichen (Die ging dann 10x genauer als eine Atomuhr) und meinte dann: Ich glaube jetzt kann ich mit der Uhr leben...
[20:48] < uninvited> *ROTFLROTFL*
[20:49]   fake freut sich dass stage2 binutils durch sind *freu*
[20:49] < fake> jetzt kommt dann wieder glibc........ 8 stunden.... *jammer*
[20:50] < huebi> fake: *aufdieschulterklopf* Kopf hoch...
[20:50] < uninvited> gibts bei euch im Büro keine unbeaufsichtgten Rechner ? Oder sind die alle mit dnetc verseucht @ fake ? *G*
[20:51] < huebi> dnetc in W2k Servicepack 2 einpatchen....
[20:51] < uninvited> hehehehe.
[20:51] < uninvited> stop !
[20:51] < uninvited> und in rock ?
[20:52] < fake> uninvited: keine mips maschinene...
[20:52] < uninvited> Hmmmm, i386er, oder ?
[20:52] < huebi> uninvited: Extra buld target?
[20:52] < huebi> +i
[20:53]   uninvited muss los - schlafenszeit fuer den Junior.
[20:53] < huebi> cu uninvited
[20:53] < uninvited> extra build target ?
[20:54] < uninvited> Hmmm.
[20:54] < fake> cu uninvited !
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[21:06]   fake is away cooking
[21:06] < huebi> fake: viel Spass
[21:10] < fake> na danke.
[21:10] < fake> :P
[21:42]   fake is from Villa Bachia
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[21:45] < huebi> SMP: Ping...
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[21:47] < huebi> hmm. nicht da .
[21:48] < SMP> .
[21:48] < huebi> SMP: Ah. kool
[21:48] < huebi> ;-)
[21:48] < huebi> SMP: Wie weit bist du mit cvsweb?
[21:49] < SMP> muesste ich mal anfangen
[21:49] < SMP> seufz
[21:49] < rxr> SMP: ah hi!
[21:49] < huebi> SMP: Waere klasse. Dann koennte ich ./scripts/Update anpassen.
[21:50] < huebi> cvsweb ist sehr komfortable...
[21:50] < rxr> SMP: I accidently lost the open-bsd songs ... - hadn't you posted the URL here? I have not found them on the net ...
[21:50] < SMP> https://www.openbsd.org/lyrics.html
[21:51] < rxr> oh thanks ;-)
[21:53] < fake> hi SMP
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[21:55] < tsa> moin
[21:56] < huebi> hi tsa
[21:56] < huebi> ;-)
[21:57] < tsa> hi huebi
[21:57] < tsa> <- Kater. Gestern zu viel gesoffen, heute morgen um halb sechs nach hause gekommen..
[21:57] < huebi> hehe
[21:58] < fake> tsa> und? erwartest du etwa MITLEID??
[21:58] < fake> *fg*
[21:58] < huebi> tsa: Trink viiel Wasser. so mindestens 2 Liter. Dann geht das meistens recht schnell wieder weg.
[21:58] < tsa> hehe...
[21:58] < fake> oder Rowein und ein rohes Ei reinschlagen und dann wegexen...
[21:58] < fake> Rotwein
[21:59] < huebi> tsa: Dehydrierung nennt sich das... Uebles Problem fuer Europaeer in Wuesten.
[21:59] < tsa> jo.
[22:00] < tsa> fake: rotwein und rohes Ei? *grusel*
[22:00] < huebi> tsa: rotwein und rohes Ei <- Da wird Dir einfach schlecht. Kater interessiert dann nicht mehr.
[22:01] < tsa> vermutlich..
[22:01] < tsa> ;-)
[22:01] < huebi> Alkohol dehydriert.
[22:02] < huebi> ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song31.mp3 <- Der gefaellt mir gut.
[22:08] < tsa> hm....was nutzt udp/4665?
[22:08] < tsa> ich krieg hier unmengen von dem traffic ab...
[22:08] < fake> tsa> edonkey?
[22:09] < tsa> hm...mag sein
[22:09] < fake> glaub ich
[22:09] < tsa> was wollen die von mir?
[22:09] < fake> pr0n
[22:09] < tsa> hehe
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[22:10] < d3mian> re
[22:10] < fake> cat /etc/services | grep 4665
[22:10] < fake> re demian
[22:11] < fake> hm.
[22:11] < fake> /etc/udp-services ;)
[22:12] < d3mian> ohh, cu
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[22:23] < rxr> huebi: mir gefaellt 30 besser 31 hoehrt sich so nach rammstein an ...
[22:23] < rxr> das mag ich nicht ...
[22:26] < esden> re hi all
[22:28] < tsa> hhu esden
[22:29] < rxr> hi esden
[22:30] < esden> hi rxr, tsa
[22:35] < esden> fake: hast du jetzt dietsys getestet ?
[22:43] < esden> rxr: you wanted to crosscompile dietlibc right ?
[22:44] < fake> esden> no net
[22:44] < esden> if so look in the faq included in the dietlibc source tarball
[22:44] < esden> fake: kk
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[22:52] < rxr> esden: jups some days ago ...
[22:52] < rxr> esden: mostly one sed expression needs to be fixed ...
[22:53] < rxr> esden: ah I already read the faq and also finished a cross compile
[22:53] < rxr> simply the target name (sparc64-unknown-gnu-linux) is parsed wrong during a cross compile
[22:55] < fake> hm...
[22:55] < fake> my problem was that dietlibc wanted to call "diet" in a cross compile.
[22:57] < rxr> fake: ah - yes this is the next problem - I forgot ...
[22:57] < rxr> I compilied it on a pseudo sparc32 where the 64 diet prog could be executed ...
[22:58] < rxr> https://www.tfh-berlin.de/~solymosi/prg25/Auf1.html
[22:58] < esden> rxr: is it a problem of rock or dietlibc ?
[22:58] < rxr> kann mir mal einer sagen ob das scheisse ist oder scheisse ist ?!?
[22:59] < rxr> esden: dietlibc
[22:59] < esden> rxr: could you send me the fix ?
[22:59] < rxr> not today
[23:00] < esden> ok ...
[23:00] < rxr> I have not done it (only fixed it in the one build) and I really need to get some java trash to work until tomorrow ...
[23:00] < rxr> take a look at the fuck I have to do ...
[23:00] < rxr> (But we are currently signing a petition against this totally fucked up prof ...)
[23:01] < esden> rxr: outsch so bad ?
[23:01] < rxr> totally incompetent
[23:01] < esden> what is he doing ? or requesting too much ?
[23:01]   esden brb smoeken
[23:01] < rxr> no too less - and totally crappy stuff
[23:02] < rxr> read the exercises I have to do ...
[23:02] < rxr> that boring and fucking GUI element putting together that I could slam my head against the monitor all the time ...
[23:02] < rxr> Never did s.th. that boring ...
[23:02] < rxr> https://www.tfh-berlin.de/~solymosi/prg25/
[23:03] < rxr> and I have no choice :-(
[23:05] < rxr> esden do you take a look ?
[23:06] < fake> 3.5 stunden fuer gcc2 >_<
[23:08] < esden> *click*
[23:08] < rxr> I only wondered why it is that silent - you do not need to waste your time ...
[23:09] < esden> rxr: stupides dahincoden
[23:10] < rxr> esden: Wow - exact erfasst :-(.
[23:10] < rxr> -c +k
[23:10] < esden> dass sind doch aufgaben aus irgendeinem buch abgeschrieben ... gell ?
[23:11] < rxr> ich habe mich letzes Jahr schon mit ner Lehrbeauftragten angelegt wegen dem Muell
[23:11] < rxr> jups - leider habe die das Buch seleber geschrieben ...
[23:11] < rxr> btw. noch nie ein schlechteres Buch gesehen ...
[23:12] < tsa> hm...
[23:12] < tsa> komihsce Aufgaben
[23:13] < tsa> borland c++ oder jbuilder..
[23:13] < rxr> ich glaube ich bringe dem tollen Prof nen ausdruck von euren "First Look" Kommentaren mit ;-)
[23:13] < tsa> hehe...mach das.
[23:13] < esden> tsa: dass sind aufgaben wo man sich denkt wozu dass ganze gut sein soll ...
[23:14] < tsa> immerhin macht man bei euch was mit C(++)
[23:14] < rxr> eine Vorlesung hat der unter anderem wegenen meiner korrigierenden Einwuerfe schon vorzeitig abgebrochen ...
[23:14] < rxr> tsa: nur 1/2 Semester von 2 Semenstern
[23:15] < rxr> und da wuerde ich noch lieber nix machen anstatt meine Zeit mit diesem sinnlosem Muell zu vergeuden ...
[23:15] < esden> wenn ich irgendwelche suchbeume, keller usw programmieren soll denke ich mir wenigstens dass ich dabei die algorythmen beibringe ... so dass ich die wiederverwenden kann ... aber sowas ... naja ...
[23:15] < rxr> esden: das ist auch mein staerkster Kritikpunkt ...
[23:16] < esden> du lernst bei dem was ihr macht die java api ... wenn ich dass richtig sehe ...
[23:16] < esden> oder auch nicht ?
[23:16] < rxr> naja ...
[23:16] < rxr> das java api ist so verkorkst das will ich lieber gar nicht kenne lernen ...
[23:16] < tsa> ack.
[23:17] < rxr> und es ist nicht gerade das erhebende gefuehl ein paar gui klassen zusammen zu stecken ...
[23:17] < rxr> und immer nur mit bloeden event handler rumzubasteln bis man seine beschreibung zusammen hat ...
[23:17] < tsa> rxr: bei uns ist ein semester java vorgesehen. kein c. und wir arbeiten auch mit einem editor und keinem klick-tool..
[23:18] < rxr> zumal ich die in java scheinbar bevorzugten anonymen event handler richtig ekelig finde ...
[23:21]   esden writing mail to dlcml
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[23:21] < d3mian> re
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[23:26] < esden> rxr: in the gcc3 target the gcc bin is not build?
[23:26] < esden> am I right here ?
[23:26] < rxr> xou mean gcc3 package ?
[23:27] < esden> yes
[23:27] < esden> sorry
[23:27] < rxr> normally it is build
[23:27] < esden> hmm
[23:27] < esden> see:
[23:27] < rxr> but I also noticed that the 1.7 build environemt sometimes doesn't catch build errors ...
[23:27] < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/c++
[23:27] < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/f77
[23:27] < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/g++
[23:27] < esden> gcc3: usr/bin/g77
[23:27] < rxr> I do not yet know why this is happening ...
[23:28] < rxr> I guess you have an error in the gcc3.log but the Pkg-Build has not noticed this ...
[23:28]   esden looking
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[23:29] < esden> 'fixincl version 1.1'
[23:29] < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `(null)'
[23:29] < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: `cd (null)'
[23:29] < esden> NOTE: server restarted
[23:29] < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: syntax error near unexpected token `(null)'
[23:29] < esden> /bin/sh: line 2: `cd (null)'
[23:29] < esden> CLOSING SHELL SERVER - command failure:
[23:29] < esden>         echo 'fixincl version 1.1'
[23:29] < esden> make[2]: *** [install-bin] Error 154
[23:29] < esden> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-3.1/objdir/gcc/fixinc'
[23:29] < esden> make[1]: *** [fixinc.sh] Error 2
[23:29] < esden> make[1]: Leaving directory `/R.src/gcc-3.1/objdir/gcc'
[23:29] < esden> make: *** [install-gcc] Error 2
[23:29] < esden> * -> /usr/info/-3*
[23:29] < esden> /R.work/scripts/Build-Pkg: *: No such file or directory
[23:29] < esden> /R.work/scripts/Build-Pkg: cd: /R.work/src.gcc3.1022673208.8175.3147672378/inst_man/man1: No such file or directory
[23:29] < esden> mv: cannot stat `*': No such file or directory
[23:29] < esden> strip: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1/3.1*/libgcc.a: No such file or directory
[23:29] < esden> /R.work/scripts/Build-Pkg: cd: /usr/lib/gcc-lib/i386-pc-linux-gnulibc1/3.1: No such file or directory
[23:29] < esden> uups .. that was much ...
[23:29] < esden> sorry
[23:29] < rxr> esden: much fun ...
[23:30] < rxr> esden: much fun ...
[23:30] < esden> fu** fu** fu** fu** fu** fu** argh!!!
[23:30] < esden> I hate it !!!
[23:30]   rxr too
[23:33] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys# grep "Error 2" /rock-linux/build/default-1.7.0-DEV-intel-dietlibc-expert/root/var/adm/logs/* | wc -l
[23:33] < esden>      30
[23:33] < esden> alpha:/usr/local/data/1.7/dietsys#
[23:34] < esden> that is gcc2 gcc3 and linux
[23:34] < esden> why oh why oh why
[23:41] < rxr> argh
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[23:46]   esden testing 2.5.19
[23:46]   esden brb hopefully
[23:51] < esden> hmm ... the framebuffer is not running correctly ...
[23:51] < rxr> esden: they restructure the framebuffer stuff ...
[23:51] < esden> I will have to recompile it without framebuffer
[23:51] < esden> rxr: yes I knom
[23:51] < esden> -m +w
[23:51] < rxr> ;-)
[23:52] < esden> and alsa stuff is gone ... >_<
[23:52] < rxr> gone ?
[23:52] < esden> yes it seems so ... I see only the old stuff
[23:52] < esden> not the alsa option in sound
[23:53] < esden> strange
[23:53] < esden> or is it gone somewhere else ... and I have not seen it ...
[23:53] < esden> do they use the new kbuild finally ?
[23:56] < rxr> no
[23:56] < rxr> I read that they started migrate or adapt some stuff
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Fri May 31 00:00:46 2002