-!- Irrsi Log opened Tue Jun 11 00:00:39 2002
[00:00] < tsa> tomik: hehe
[00:01] < tsa> fake: you don't have to. and i already found out how it happened..
[00:01] < tsa> those bookmarklets seem to be automagically collected.
[00:02] <+fake> i know. if you browse a pr0n site often it gets bookmarked ;)
[00:02] < tsa> seem so. since i don't browse porn sites, it probably was one of those damn popups from warez sites..
[00:03] <+fake> oooof cooourseee.......
[00:03] fake just kiddin' around
[00:03] < tsa> hehe....i know
[00:03] <+fake> und ich geh etz in die heia.
[00:03] < tsa> na denn nacht.
[00:03] <+fake> morgen wieder scheiss suckendes fickendes ekliges PHP kotzen
[00:03] < huebi> nacht fake ;-)
[00:07] < the][owl> g8
[00:07] < holyolli> n8 fake
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[00:20] < holyolli> cya tomorrow
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[00:38] < rxr> re
[00:38] rxr back in Berlin ;-)
[00:42] < lizard> welcome back rxr, how was lxtag ?
[00:44] < d3mian> wb rxr
[00:44] < rxr> lizard: Hi!
[00:44] < rxr> LinuxTag was really great!
[00:44] < lizard> I saw some pictures
[00:44] < tsa> hi rxr
[00:45] < rxr> I shaked the hands with Alan Cox and Tom Schwaller ;-)!
[00:45] < rxr> tsa: hi!
[00:45] < d3mian> cool :)
[00:45] < rxr> tsa: In Bielefeld laufen aber seltsame Penner rum ...
[00:45] < tsa> hehe
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[00:45] < tsa> re holyolli
[00:45] < holyolli> re
[00:46] < rxr> ich musste nur 8 Minutes warten - aber waerenddessen hat so einer versucht stdaendig Bier vor mir zu bekommen ...
[00:46] < holyolli> huebi?
[00:46] < rxr> hi holyolli
[00:46] < holyolli> huhu rxr
[00:46] < huebi> hi rxr
[00:46] < huebi> hi holyolli
[00:46] < tsa> rxr: mach mal bitte patches fuer jack und exim klar...ich will weiter builden.. ;)
[00:46] < rxr> hi huebi ;-)
[00:46] < holyolli> huebi: ich glaube, bei 1.5.16 sind noch ein paar grössere fehler...
[00:46] < holyolli> I have no name!@snoopy:~$ id holyolli
[00:46] < holyolli> id: holyolli: No such user
[00:47] < holyolli>
[00:47] < rxr> tsa: Bin zwar erst vor 30 min angekommen - aber -> ACK ;-)
[00:47] < tsa> ok..fein
[00:47] < holyolli> der user ist angelegt und kann auf per ssh auf die kiste connecten
[00:47] < tsa> holyolli: alpha?
[00:47] < holyolli> tsa: ja. aber scripte sind eigendlich arch-unabhängig
[00:47] < tsa> evtl ein problem des ports? "compilier" != "laeuft"
[00:47] < holyolli> oder? ;-)
[00:48] < holyolli> tsa: mit denselben scripten?
[00:48] < tsa> /usr/bin/id
[00:48] < tsa> ist binary
[00:48] < rxr> lizard: photos at: https://www.rocklinux.org/people/jocelyn/linuxtag02/linuxtag02.html
[00:48] < holyolli> das wäre ein wenig seltsam
[00:48] < tsa> holyolli: noe, nicht wirklich.
[00:48] < tsa> was sagt ltrace?
[00:49] < lizard> rxr: yeah, danke :)
[00:49] < holyolli> ltrace: command not found
[00:49] < holyolli> ;-)
[00:49] < tsa> bitte?
[00:49] < tsa> es gibt kein ltrace in 1.5.16?
[00:49] < holyolli> doch. ltrace läuft nicht unter alpha
[00:49] < holyolli> aber das problem ist ein anderes
[00:50] < holyolli> das das ist mir auch unter intel schon passiert:
[00:50] < tsa> ja. du hast kein ltrace, vermutlich auch kein strace und kannst nicht debuggen?
[00:50] < holyolli> root@snoopy:~# cd /var/db/
[00:50] < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# ls
[00:50] < holyolli> . .. Makefile
[00:50] < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# make
[00:50] < holyolli> passwd... done.
[00:50] < holyolli> group... done.
[00:50] < holyolli> protocols... done.
[00:50] < holyolli> rpc... idone.
[00:50] < holyolli> services... d holyodone.
[00:50] < holyolli> shadow... done.
[00:50] < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# id holyolli
[00:50] < holyolli> uid=1000(holyolli) gid=100(users) groups=100(users)
[00:50] < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db#
[00:50] < holyolli>
[00:50] < tsa> welche glibc?
[00:50] < holyolli> strace ist mit drauf
[00:50] < holyolli> (und tut auch)
[00:50] < tsa> /var/db/Makefile ist von glibc 2.1.x
[00:51] < holyolli> glibc 2.2.5
[00:51] < tsa> soviel dazu.
[00:51] < holyolli> und warum tut es jetzt?
[00:52] < holyolli> (und warumm trat _genau_ _derselbe_ fehler bei 1.5.x unter intel auf???)
[00:52] < tsa> grep passwd /etc/nsswitch.conf
[00:52] < holyolli> passwd:db files
[00:53] < tsa> sollte ok sein.
[00:53] < tsa> dann nimm dir eben den strace vor.
[00:53] < tsa> vergiss -f nicht.
[00:54] < holyolli> und was soll ich mit strace vornehmen? passwd oder was?
[00:54] < tsa> id
[00:54] < huebi> n8
[00:54] < holyolli> erm
[00:54] < holyolli> id klappt jetzt
[00:54] < holyolli> also daher kann man da den fehler auch nicht mehr finden
[00:55] < tsa> aendere nsswitch.conf auf "files db"
[00:56] < tsa> und schmeiss in /var/db die db-files weg.
[00:56] < holyolli> hm.
[00:57] < tsa> wenn es dann wieder kaputt ist, hat dein alpha-port ein glibc-problem und ich wuensche dir jetzt schon viel spass ;)
[00:57] < holyolli> scheisse.
[00:57] < tsa> und?
[00:57] < holyolli> nein. nun klappt es problemlos
[00:57] < tsa> nscd?
[00:57] < holyolli> das einzige prob ist "nur" noch, dass die permissions unter /etc im arsch sind
[00:57] < holyolli> also viel zu restriktiv
[00:58] < holyolli> root@snoopy:/var/db# su - holyolli
[00:58] < holyolli> I have no name!@snoopy:~$
[00:58] < holyolli>
[00:58] < holyolli> (mal so als kleine kostprobe =)
[00:58] < tsa> ls -l /etc/HOSTNAME
[00:58] < holyolli> erm. ganz etc ist permissionmässig im argen
[00:59] < fronti> moin
[00:59] < holyolli> GNARF. durch die !"§$/&% permissions ist auch passwd nicht mehr lesbar
[00:59] < rxr> tsa: jack fixed
[00:59] < rxr> == 06/11/02 00:59:22 =[9]=> Finished building package jack.
[00:59] < tsa> rxr: fein. patch bitte auch per mail an mich.
[01:00] < rxr> jups wenn ich exim auch gefixt habe gehen die raus ...
[01:01] < tsa> ok.
[01:02] < rxr> tsa: prinzipjell tut exim build hier - ausser das exim laeuft und ich deshalb: > cp: cannot create regular file `/usr/bin/exim-4.04-1': Text file busy bekomme
[01:02] tsa sieht lauter cvs-directories in den alpha-packages..
[01:02] < rxr> vielleicht ein make -jX (X > 1) prob ?
[01:02] < holyolli> ja..?
[01:03] < tsa> holyolli: wieso wird das cvs-krams mit ins binary-packages gepackt? das ist doch kaese..
[01:03] < holyolli> liegt an den build-scripten, die kopieren einfach alles...
[01:04] < tsa> rxr:
[01:04] < d3mian> nice pics about lxtag, is there a summary about stuff made in lxtag?
[01:04] < tsa> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `pcre/libpcre.a', needed by `exim'. Stop.
[01:04] < tsa> make[1]: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs....
[01:04] < tsa> make[2]: Entering directory `/R.src/exim-4.04/build-Linux-i386/auths'
[01:04] < tsa> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `../config.h', needed by `b64encode.o'. Sto
[01:04] < tsa> p.
[01:04] < tsa> make[2]: Leaving directory `/R.src/exim-4.04/build-Linux-i386/auths'
[01:05] < tsa> ich teste mal -j1
[01:05] < rxr> tsa: jups :;-)
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[01:07] < rxr> d3mian: https://www.rocklinux.org/mailing-list/rock-linux/2002-6/17.html
[01:07] < hack^afk> n8
[01:07] < tsa> cu hack^afk
[01:07] < tsa> == 06/11/02 01:07:29 =[3]=> Finished building package exim.
[01:07] < tsa> make problem.
[01:07] < rxr> ok
[01:07] < rxr> ich sende die patches zu cliff ...
[01:09] < tsa> ok.
[01:09] < tsa> ich baue dann weiter, wenn ich den jack-fix habe
[01:09] < tsa> und nun erstmal pennen.
[01:09] < tsa> n8 *
[01:10] < rxr> cu tsa
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[01:10] < rxr> der jack fix ist aber simpel
[01:10] < rxr> ah ok - dann spaeter ...
[01:11] < d3mian> thx rxr
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[01:22] < d3mian> install shell will be implemented on scripting?
[01:41] < rxr> d3mian: yes - this was cliff's idea. I'm not sure if this will work that great ....
[01:42] < d3mian> umm, ok, i hope
[01:43] < d3mian> i was seeing a c designed web browser, named dillo, it's is a light graphic browser
[01:43] < d3mian> it is on sourceforge if some of you want to see it
[01:44] < lizard> d3mian: url?
[01:44] < d3mian> umm, you could search @ sourceforge
[01:44] < d3mian> :)
[01:44] < d3mian> im a bit busy
[01:48] lizard taking a look at
[01:48] < lizard> [01:10] < rxr> cu tsa
[01:49] < lizard> huch
[01:49] < lizard> fuck cut&paste
[01:49] < lizard> https://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/dillo/dillo-0.6.4.tar.gz
[01:49] < d3mian> this browser is simple, it doesnt use gtk
[01:49] < d3mian> just C
[01:51] < rxr> ^- the last two lined dunno make sense ...
[01:53] < d3mian> what da you mean rene?
[01:53] < d3mian> umm, is doesnt work with frames
[01:53] < d3mian> s/is/it
[01:53] < rxr> it uses Gtk. And unlike C, Gtk+ is not a programming language ...
[01:53] < lizard> sorry, rxr. gdm's fault :/
[01:54] < d3mian> https://parana.ic-itcr.ac.cr/~jonvargas/dilo1.jpg
[01:54] < rxr> and C is not a garuantee to produce fast and small binaries ...
[01:55] < rxr> Forbidden
[01:55] < lizard> but it may be a good reference for browser design
[01:55] < d3mian> https://dillo.cipsga.org.br/
[01:55] < lizard> forbidden?
[01:55] < lizard> strange
[01:55] < rxr> Dillo is mainly based on GTK+ (GNOME is NOT required!)
[01:55] lizard taking a look
[01:56] < d3mian> mom
[01:56] < rxr> "reference" - I guess not ...
[01:56] < rxr> But no new flame-war again ...
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[01:57] < rxr> Add support for frames
[01:57] < rxr> *lol*
[01:57] < d3mian> maybe
[01:58] rxr closing Konqui - which displayed the dillo site ...
[01:58] < d3mian> umm, the apache is not wrking here :(
[02:05] < d3mian> https://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/dilo1.jpg
[02:05] < d3mian> https://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/dilo2.jpg
[02:07] < d3mian> hehe, dilo2.jpg was wrong
[02:08] < fronti> d3mian: or you want to post a xv screen :)
[02:08] < tomik> ah well
[02:08] < tomik> dildo project .)
[02:09] < lizard> lol
[02:10] < d3mian> https://www.hackdaworld.dyndns.org/~demian/dilo2.jpg -> updated ;)
[02:11] < fronti> d3mian: ok, better and it look nice
[02:12] < d3mian> no frame-support
[02:12] < d3mian> so, this is bad, try any frame site
[02:13] < d3mian> the tools bars could be floating, away from browser window
[02:13] < tomik> <h2>stupid error: frames are not supported, falling back to links</h2>
[02:15] < d3mian> *g
[02:15] < rxr> n8
[02:15] < d3mian> cu rxr
[02:19] < fronti> n8 rxr
[02:24] < d3mian> nahh, i'll wait for a more improved dillo package (with frame support), i still with galeon
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[07:37] < huebi> moin
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[09:42] < huebi> Moep!
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[10:06] < hackbard> moin
[10:06] < holyolli> moin hackbard
[10:07] < hackbard> hi olli ;)
[10:12] < huebi> moin @ all
[10:12] < huebi> ;-)
[10:13] < huebi> Today I'm going to copy the linux and linux-src from drock to 1.5.16. Then I just have to add the sparc64 stuff.
[10:13] < holyolli> moin huebi! :)
[10:14] < holyolli> huebi: yesterday i had some more big problems with 1.5.16 on alpha :(
[10:14] < huebi> Yesterday I did not get a kernel with aic7xxx and sym53c8xx in the kernel.
[10:14] < huebi> moin holyolli
[10:15] < huebi> holyolli: yes I read the log ;-)
[10:15] < holyolli> *g*
[10:16] < holyolli> did you encounter similar problems on other machines?
[10:16] < huebi> holyolli: no I didn't
[10:16] < holyolli> strange.
[10:18] < huebi> I still have to get a working new image. After that I have to fix some more CVS directories copied to the Rocklinux system.
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[10:22] < tsa> hi.
[10:23] < holyolli> moin tsa
[10:25] < tsa> hi holyolli
[10:42] < huebi> hi tsa ;-)
[10:42] < tsa> hi huebi
[10:42] huebi muss erst mal in den Keller. Wieder Kaputte Hardware ;(
[10:43] < tsa> hm...
[10:50] < SMP> Moin
[10:50] < holyolli> moin smp
[10:50] < tsa> hi SMP
[10:55] < huebi> hi SMP ;-)
[11:00] < tsa> == 06/11/02 11:00:28 =[3]=> Aborted building package jack.
[11:00] < tsa> GRRR
[11:01] < holyolli> who is jack?
[11:01] < tsa> [I] audio connection kit
[11:02] < tsa> rxr: dein jack-fix ist broken.
[11:02] < tsa> lkjsehfkjsdfhkjdsfhdskjhfsdkj
[11:02] < tsa> -[C] library/sound
[11:02] < tsa> +[C] libraries/sound
[11:03] < tsa> ARGH!
[11:03] < tsa> komischer patch. kein wunder..
[11:21] < huebi> 18833 ? D 0:00 \_ insmod sym53c8xx
[11:21] < huebi> Alles gut macht der Reboot
[11:21] < huebi> brb
[11:23] < holyolli> gute idee.. ;-)
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[11:35] < holyolli> moin fake
[11:35] < fake> hm...
[11:35] < fake> morgen!
[11:39] < tsa> moin fake
[11:39] < fake> ohayo, mina!
[11:42] < tsa> holyolli: kauf dir nen maintainer fuer dein handle.
[11:42] < tsa> holyolli: sonst isses bald wech..
[11:50] < fake> handle?
[11:50] < fake> nick
[11:50] < fake> oder?
[11:52] < tsa> ripe.
[11:52] < tsa> wir hatten holyolli's ripe-handle geklaut..
[11:53] < fake> axo.
[12:22] < tsa> *gaehn*
[12:22] < holyolli> tsa: müde?
[12:25] < tsa> nicht wirklich...
[12:25] < tsa> aber ne woche schlafen waer schon ok, irgendwie..
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[12:26] < holyolli> hi freak
[12:26] < rxr> re
[12:27] < fake> re
[12:28] < Freak> rxr!
[12:28] < Freak> alle!
[12:28] < Freak> :)
[12:28] < Freak> rxr: na, gut angekommen..?
[12:29] < Freak> (/me is der typ mit dem fotoapparat & der Frage bzgl. Code-Patches während des Vortrags .. ;)
[12:29] < rxr> hi Freak!
[12:29] < tsa> hi Freak
[12:29] < tsa> re rxr
[12:29] < Freak> (:
[12:29] < rxr> tsa 2 mails just out ....
[12:29] < tsa> dein jack-patch ist ja nur ein austausch von [C] ..
[12:29] < tsa> ah.
[12:30] < Freak> und sobald ick rausgefunden hab wie Apache::Gallery zum Laufen zu bewegen is, gibts die bilder.. versprochen ;)
[12:30] < rxr> jups - damit kompiliert es hier auch - ist noch ein gtk/gnome problem ... - fixe ich nachdem ich an der FH war.
[12:30] < rxr> Freak: schoen!
[12:30] < Freak> (nur für den Fall dass es dich interessiert)
[12:31] < tsa> rxr: bau das --enable-optimize mal ruhig ein..
[12:31] < rxr> Freak: sorry der Vortrag war ein wenig unsortiert - weil wir erst einen Tag vorher bescheit bekommen haben, dass wir etwas Vortragen duerfen ...
[12:31] < Freak> wieso.. ich fand ihn interessant
[12:31] < rxr> Freak: ah - gut ;-)
[12:32] < Freak> du hattest zwar versucht, mir das am Freitagabend(?) zu erklären, kapiert hab ich das aber nicht wirklich..
[12:32] < Freak> der Vortrag war sehr aufschlussreich
[12:33] rxr muss mal zur FH ... cu
[12:34] < Freak> das mit dem nicht-kapieren lag aber hauptsächlich an der vielen jolt und dem wenigen schlaf..
[12:34] < Freak> jo cya
[12:35] < rxr> ;-) ok bis denn
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[12:52] < uninvited> Moinsen !
[12:52] < holyolli> hi uninvited
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[13:09] < tsa> hi bwocian
[13:10] < bwocian> hello
[13:11] < holyolli> hi bwocian
[13:12] < bwocian> I use rock 1.4.0
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[13:23] < uninvited> test
[13:24] < tsa> durchgefallen.-
[13:24] < tsa> ;)
[13:30] < uninvited> Sagt mal: ich hab zwei HDDs. Auf der ersten gibts 2 Partitionen (NTFS/NTFS) und auf der zweiten hab ich eben 2 Partitionen (EXT2/SWAP) erstellt. Wenn ich versuche die EXT2 nach /trg zu mounten bekomme ich eine FM: fs NTFS not supported by kernel. Was kann ich da machen ?
[13:30] < tsa> das richtige device nehmen? ;)
[13:30] < hackbard> achwas, gleich mke2fs ... ;)
[13:30] < hackbard> re
[13:30] < tsa> re hack
[13:30] < tsa> bard
[13:30] < tsa> jo, das auch.
[13:31] < hackbard> und, seit ihr alle gut heimgekommen ?
[13:31] < tsa> was soll ich auch mit ntfs..
[13:31] < tsa> sicher...
[13:31] < uninvited> mount /dev/discs/disc1/part1 /trg
[13:31] < uninvited> naja, was du damit sollst weiss ich nicht. Ich wills gerne weiterbenutzen.
[13:31] < uninvited> *G*
[13:31] < tsa> uninvited: fdisk -l /dev/discs/disc1/disc
[13:32] < uninvited> was macht fdisk -l /dev/discs/disc1/disc ?
[13:32] < tsa> partitionstabelle der platte anzeigen
[13:33] < uninvited> partition 1 1 - x LINUX
[13:33] < uninvited> partition 2 x - y LINUX
[13:33] < uninvited> beide Typ83
[13:34] < fronti> re
[13:34] < fake> eine sollte doch 82 sein? swap?
[13:34] < uninvited> Stimmt.
[13:34] < uninvited> Moment ich check mal.
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[13:35] < tsa> danach: file -s /dev/discs/disc1/part1
[13:36] < uninvited> was macht file -s ?
[13:37] < fake> 's mir auch unbekannt
[13:37] < snyke> hi
[13:37] < SMP> man file ?
[13:38] < uninvited> smp> man file ohne installierte manpages ?
[13:38] < fake> file - determine file type
[13:38] < hackbard> aber wozu? alles durchchecken und am ende doch neues fs anlegenb?
[13:38] < hackbard> *wunder
[13:39] < hackbard> mach halt gleich mke2fs ..
[13:39] < uninvited> mke2fs auf was ? part1 ?
[13:39] < uninvited> Hab ich eben gemacht.
[13:39] < SMP> Specifying the -s option causes file to also
[13:39] < SMP> read argument files which are block or character special files.
[13:39] < SMP> This is useful for determining the filesystem types of the data
[13:39] < SMP> in raw disk partitions, which are block special files.
[13:40] < fake> This option also causes file to disregard
[13:40] < uninvited> smp> danke.
[13:40] < fake> the file size as reported by stat(2) since on some
[13:40] < fake> systems it reports a zero size for raw disk parti-
[13:40] < fake> tions.
[13:40] < uninvited> kann file nicht ausfuehren, weil neuinstallation
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[13:41] < fake> re rolla__ !
[13:45] < tsa> *seufz*
[13:46] < tsa> uninvited: find /dev -name part? |xargs mke2fs
[13:46] < tsa> ;)
[13:53] < th> re
[13:54] < tsa> hi th
[13:55] uninvited working
[13:57] < tsa> have fun ;)
[13:57] tsa "working", too.
[13:57] < tsa> (surfing, playing online chess, ..)
[13:57] < tsa> ;-)
[13:59] < fake> jaja...
[13:59] < holyolli> tsa: du spielst schach...soso ;)
[14:05] < hackbard> tsa: was besagt moores gesetz?
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[14:24] < th> moor? war das nicht TI?
[14:24] < hackbard> weiss ni ;)
[14:27] < tsa> hackbard: ich bin kein professioneller schachspieler...uns war bloss langweilig, weil heute irgendwie gar nichts los ist...
[14:28] < huebi> 13:30 < uninvited> Sagt mal: ich hab zwei HDDs. Auf der ersten gibts 2 Partitionen (NTFS/NTFS) [...] ignorieren! oder dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/2.platte count=5000
[14:29] < hackbard> huebi: ein -t ext2 beim mount hat auch geholfen :)
[14:29] < hackbard> tsa: ?
[14:30] < hackbard> tsa: das steht in deiner ausfuehrung, asynchr. implementierung eines mic proz auf einem fpga :))
[14:30] < huebi> uninvited: die metadaten von ntfs werden noch erkannt. danach dann neu partitionieren. Fehler ist dann weg. Kenne ich auch bei Ex-NT-Rechnern
[14:31] < huebi> Moor'sches Gesetz: Alle 2 Jahre verdoppelt sich die Rechnerleistung (oder alle 18 Monate?) IIRC
[14:33] < fake> 18 monate, meine ich
[14:33] < hackbard> ah
[14:34] < hackbard> die beweisfuehrung wuerde mich interessieren ..
[14:34] < SMP> hackbard: man glotzt einfach den passenden Graphen an
[14:35] < hackbard> ic
[14:36] < th> beweis am beispiel sozusagen ;)
[14:36] < hackbard> jo, empirisch gefunden sozusagen - und eigentlich viel weniger, denn wer sagt dass das so linear weiter ghet inner zukunft
[14:36] < th> linear?
[14:37] < hackbard> bei logarithmischer auftragung :))
[14:37] < th> hehe
[14:37] < th> bei der richtigen auftragung is doch alles linear ;)
[14:37] < hackbard> hehe, stimmt
[14:38] < th> also geht es auch auf jeden fall linear weiter.
[14:38] < th> die auftragung koennte sich natuerlich aendern ;)
[14:39] < hackbard> *lol*
[14:39] < fake> *ll*
[14:39] < fake> +o
[14:42] < huebi> "Funktion ist rauchgebunden. Ist der Rauch 'raus funktioniert's nicht mehr." - Beispiel Zigaretten und CPU's. Laesst sich beliebig erweitern. ;-)
[14:49] < tsa> soo...erstmal pizza in den ofen schieben
[14:49] < fake> *grml*
[14:49] < huebi> tsa: aber nicht den Rauch rauslassen *g*
[14:51] < tsa> hehe.. ok
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[14:59] < tsa> huebi: wieviel rauch ist in dir denn so drin? ;-)
[14:59] < tsa> oder ist der etwa schon alle? ;)
[15:00] < huebi> tsa: Weiss ich nicht. Allgemeine Untersuchungsergebnisse kannst du aber bestimmt im oertlichen Krematorium nachfragen ;-)
[15:00] < uninvited> *LOL*
[15:01] < tsa> hehe.
[15:01] < huebi> 104kg - 3 Handvoll Asche. Also ca 103kg
[15:01] < tsa> "Die untersuchte Probe "huebi" besteht zu 95% aus Teer und Nikotin zu gleichen Teilen.." ;-)
[15:02] < uninvited> ...biologisch schwer abbaubar...
[15:02] < tsa> Sondermuell? ;)
[15:02] < uninvited> har har har
[15:03] < huebi> "Das hinzufuegen von Oxidatoren im stoechiometrisch richtigen Verhaeltnis hat zu einem schlagartigen Verschwinden des Probanden gefuehrt."
[15:03] < uninvited> huebi> was hat es eigentlich mit dem count=5000 auf sich. Ist das ein zufällig von dir ausgewählter Wert ?
[15:04] < huebi> uninvited: Einfach die ersten paar MB der Platte ueberschreiben. 24548 <- Das ist der richtige und einzig wahre Zufallswert.
[15:04] < huebi> 357365
[15:04] < huebi> 3574
[15:05] < uninvited> ich habs mit 42 versucht aber nix passierte.
[15:05] < huebi> uninvited: das sind nur 21k. das ist zu wenig.
[15:05] < uninvited> argh
[15:05] < uninvited> ;-)
[15:06] < huebi> uninvited: Du verlierst dann aber definitiv dein Dateisystem!
[15:06] < uninvited> weiss ich. Ich hab das ganze nochmal versucht mit einer 1.4 Rock. Damit gabs das Problem nicht.
[15:07] < uninvited> Lediglich die 1.5.14 brachte diese FM
[15:07] < huebi> mount ist dort neuer.
[15:08] < uninvited> Aha. Auf der Platte WAR mal ein NTFS drauf weil ich die als Puffer fuer W2K benutzt habe.
[15:08] < huebi> jo!
[15:08] < huebi> und mount erkennt die meta-daten von eNTe
[15:08] < uninvited> Aber das habe ich inzwischen etliche Mal mit anderen Dateisystemen benutzt: linux, Fat32, FreeBSD slices, etc etc
[15:08] < uninvited> Irgendwie komisch.
[15:09] < uninvited> Naja, wat solls.
[15:09] < uninvited> Hoffentlich krieg ich das mit lilo noch hin ;-)
[15:09] < uninvited> Ansonsten...ARGH !
[15:13] < uninvited> Oh Manno. Wenn ich das schon höre: weak password...mann mann mann...
[15:13] < tsa> hehe
[15:14] < uninvited> Was soll ich benutzen: motherfuckingkiwibastard, oder muss das noch länger sein ?
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[15:14] < huebi> khsadgl;kajsh;lkiub'[0q9438hb6\]
[15:14] < huebi> iyre
[15:14] < huebi> uninvited: the first one.
[15:15] < uninvited> huebi> hast du Haustiere ?
[15:15] < uninvited> ;-)
[15:15] < uninvited> (ausser der Kuh)
[15:15] < tsa> ja - rechner ;)
[15:15] < tsa> hehe
[15:15] < huebi> hehe
[15:18] < uninvited> Ist heute wieder WM-Tag, Deutschlandspiel ?
[15:19] < huebi> uninvited: Jo. Kamerun
[15:19] < uninvited> Unser Nachbar zieht gerade die weissblaue Bayernfahne den Mast hoch.
[15:19] < uninvited> Wann spielen die ?
[15:19] < hackbard> atm
[15:19] < hackbard> 2:0
[15:19] < uninvited> oh.
[15:19] < uninvited> fuer DE ?
[15:19] < hackbard> jor
[15:19] uninvited is away: FREIBIER SCHNORREN !
[15:20] < hackbard> *lol*
[15:20] < fake> soccer sucks.
[15:21] < hackbard> auf alle!
[15:21] SMP ACKs fake
[15:22] < tsa> yes!
[15:23] < tsa> 22 leute pruegeln sich um ein stueck aufgeblasene kuh..
[15:23] < tsa> was will man da erwarten? ;)
[15:23] < huebi> Sports w/o engine sucks
[15:23] < uninvited> Sodala.
[15:23] < uninvited> Tatsächlich Freibier.
[15:23] < uninvited> Aber die sind alle schon rasselnass.
[15:23] < huebi> tsa: Das Mathilde die Traenen in die Augen schiessen.
[15:24] < tsa> tjo.
[15:24] < tsa> indeed.
[15:24] < huebi> s/e/a/
[15:30] < uninvited> ?
[15:30] < uninvited> s/e/a ?
[15:30] < huebi> s/Mathilde/Mathilda/
[15:31] < uninvited> *kopfschuettel*
[15:36] < tsa> man sed(8)
[15:36] < esden> hi all
[15:37] < esden> ahh dass war ein tolles spiel
[15:37] < huebi> MoeP! esden
[15:37] < esden> ich habe nicht gedacht dass fussball spannend sein kann ...
[15:37] < esden> remoep huebi
[15:39] < huebi> esden: Fussball _ist_ spannend. Aber seit dem Schusswaffen vorher beim Schiedsrichter angemeldet werden muessen, ist da irgendwie die Luft raus.
[15:40] < uninvited> Also ich spiel lieber M.U.D.S.
[15:40] < uninvited> Die Flonks sind einfach besser und knuffiger als diese runden Bälle
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[15:45] < esden> huebi: ack ;-)
[15:46] < esden> huebi: aber ich fand dass dass spiel trotzdem brutal war ...
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[15:55] < flash_gordon> a
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[16:01] < uninvited> sodala
[16:05] < huebi> Wieder ein RedHat durch Rocklinux ersetzt. hehe
[16:05] < blindcoder> brav huebi ;)
[16:05] < huebi> ersetzen lassen... ;-)
[16:05] < blindcoder> noch besser
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[16:06] < armijn> re
[16:07] < uninvited> Hiya armijn.
[16:07] < armijn> hi
[16:07] < uninvited> huebi> Wie bekommt man die Leute dazu so etwas zu machen ?
[16:08] < armijn> hey, never knew this channel was localized...
[16:09] < huebi> uninvited: Just show them the power of ROCK and they will change fron RedHat to ROCK ;-)))
[16:09] < th> armijn: have you set /mode LANG en?
[16:09] < uninvited> <BABELFISH> How did you get ppl replacing Red Hat with Rock Linux, huebi </BABELFISH>
[16:09] < uninvited> huebi> i see. thought there was a reason more extraordinary !
[16:09] < armijn> that's pretty close to the babelfish translation...
[16:10] huebi dreams about a babelfish/aspell plugin for irssi.....
[16:11] < armijn> aah
[16:11] < armijn> huebi: about the linux/modules problem
[16:12] < armijn> no need to replace it, I found the problem
[16:12] < huebi> uninvited: No. Redhat is to bloated with features for serious use.
[16:12] < huebi> armijn: kool. What is it?
[16:13] < armijn> huebi: well, in modules.conf, before you do "make dep" (and after "make clean") there should be a "make symlinks"
[16:13] < armijn> there's this line that says:
[16:13] < armijn> make $ARCH clean dep modules (or so)
[16:13] < armijn> between clean and dep there should be "symlinks"
[16:13] < huebi> ok
[16:13] < armijn> it's only needed for sparc/ultrasparc
[16:14] < armijn> because the kernel compile for sparc/ultrasparc first compiles a program to make an additional header file, which it expects to store in asm/, so we need to do a "make symlinks" first :)
[16:14] < uninvited> huebi> RedHat and SuSE then show many similarities... ;-)
[16:15] < th> they just differ in the colors...
[16:15] < th> it's red vs. green.
[16:15] < th> and i don't know which is worse
[16:15] < huebi> SuXe
[16:15] < fake> rathead
[16:15] < armijn> dead rat
[16:15] < armijn> craphat
[16:16] < th> rathat
[16:16] < uninvited> redhead ;-)
[16:16] < th> hehe
[16:18] < rxr> re
[16:19] < armijn> huebi: so I suggest you restore "modules" for now
[16:19] < armijn> hackbard: alive?
[16:20] < huebi> armijn: I want to have all the binaries of the kernel in one packet. I fix that in the moment.
[16:21] < th> huebi: do we have webcvs already?
[16:21] < huebi> echo "Create symlinks and a few headers for arch <$lx_cpu> ... "
[16:21] < huebi> make ARCH=$lx_cpu include/linux/version.h symlinks
[16:21] < armijn> huebi: ok, but don't forget the "make symlinks" when you do the modules...
[16:21] < huebi> armijn: ACK!
[16:22] < hackbard> alive :)
[16:24] < rxr> hi hackbard
[16:24] < hackbard> hi rene
[16:26] < huebi> th: not yet. But SMP will tell us if it is done ;-)
[16:26] < huebi> hi rene
[16:26] < uninvited> Hehehehe
[16:27] < uninvited> excerpt from: de.comp.os.unix.linux.misc:
[16:27] < uninvited> Ich hab grad einen Linuxftpserver aufgesetzt. Nach so zwei bis drei
[16:27] < uninvited> Stunden bekomme ich recht unangenehme Rückenschmerzen und Verspannungen
[16:27] < uninvited> im Halsbereich. Das Abspecken der Distribution (neueste SuSE) führte zu
[16:27] < uninvited> keiner Veränderung. Selbst die Umstellung der Authentifizierung des
[16:27] < uninvited> ProFTPD auf das Lightweight DAP hat keine spürbare Verbesserung
[16:27] < uninvited> gebracht.
[16:27] < uninvited> Hilfe, was kann ich tun???????
[16:27] < uninvited> Lars
[16:27] < uninvited> PS: Je mehr Benutzer sich auf dem Server einloggen, desto stärker werden
[16:27] < uninvited> die Schmerzen.
[16:27] < uninvited> *LOL*
[16:27] < armijn> wow...US$100
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[16:28] < armijn> urgh, ww
[16:28] < armijn> sorry
[16:28] < armijn> :)
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[16:35] < blindcoder> uninvited: hae?
[16:35] < uninvited> Titel: ERGONOMIE EINES FTP-SERVERS
[16:35] < blindcoder> *argh*
[16:35] < esden> cu l8er
[16:36] < rxr> hi esden
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[16:50] < rxr> hi Freak
[16:51] < rxr> Freak: could you send me the URL when your photos are online ? ;-)
[16:52] < Freak> yes well.. I have some online now.. all of em 800x6ß00
[16:52] < Freak> grmpf
[16:52] < Freak> 600
[16:52] < rxr> cool URL ?
[16:52] < Freak> the full-sized pictures will be online some time soon, I'll just have to figure out how to make Apache::Gallery work..
[16:53] < Freak> https://myhost/~sraible/guckmal/lt2k2/images/ iirc
[16:53] < rolla__> s/vie/via/
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[16:53] < rxr> myhost ???
[16:53] < Freak> just /whois me ;P
[16:53] < rxr> ah
[16:54] < Freak> I don't have dhis running
[16:54] < Freak> atm
[16:55] < rxr> hm the index.html gibts - aber ~sraible schon nicht mehr ...
[16:56] < Freak> ach mist
[16:56] < Freak> klar
[16:56] < Freak> den user gibts ja schliesslich auch nicht ;)
[16:57] < rxr> Freak: simply a URL to the pics would be enough
[16:57] < rxr> maybe I could copy the onces I'm on to my homepage ?
[16:57] < Freak> jetzt it works (sprechen we here denglisch?)
[16:58] < Freak> sure you can
[16:58] < rxr> no - normally english ;-)
[16:58] < rxr> My page is at https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/
[16:58] < Freak> just for now there will only be 800x600
[16:58] < Freak> I'll keep you updated tho
[16:59] < Freak> so when Apache::Gallery finally works you'll get the originals as well
[16:59] < rxr> Internal Server Error
[16:59] < rxr> https://p5083959C.dip.t-dialin.net/~sraible/guckmal/lt2k2/images/
[16:59] < Freak> omg
[17:00] < Freak> ok let me just figure out what apache does now..
[17:01] < rxr> Subject: Out of Office AutoReply: [rock-linux] Wahoo
[17:01] < rxr> urgh.
[17:02] < fake> rxr> i got that too
[17:02] < fake> on a mail i sent
[17:02] < rxr> esden: how do you log the ROCK Linux channel here? I would like to do this for the #gsmp channel ;-)
[17:03] < rxr> I reply to it ;-)
[17:03] < fake> i did, too.
[17:03] < fake> but it didn't answer again ;)
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[17:07] < rxr> this my Revo was without power for too long - and lost all my data :-(
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[17:17] < tsa> wech..
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[17:49] < elmurro> anyone know about pengaol
[17:49] < elmurro> ?
[17:50] < lizard> pengaol?
[17:50] < elmurro> its far too disgraceful telling people what it is
[17:50] < elmurro> but hey i might was well
[17:51] < elmurro> it lets one connect (maybe me, maybe you, anyone) to aol
[17:51] < elmurro> on linux
[17:51] < lizard> aha
[17:51] < lizard> never heard of it
[17:51] < elmurro> lol
[17:51] < elmurro> oh well
[17:51] < elmurro> anyone?
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[17:52] < elmurro> oh well
[17:53] < elmurro> i'll wander somewhere else
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[17:56] < huebi> cu
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[18:31] < esden> re hi all
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[18:38] < rxr> esden: hi
[18:39] < rxr> esden: how do you log the IRC? Simply with Irssi ?
[18:39] < rxr> esden: do you have an idea where the photo you made from me is? Would be nice to put in on my site ...
[18:42] < esden> _+test+_
[18:42] < esden> hmm ...
[18:43] < esden> rxr: I log it simply with irssi yes
[18:43] < rxr> ah ;-) I asked because I'd like to log the GSMP channel ...
[18:44] < esden> rxr: the photo is on chris camera ... drop him a mail that you want the photo ...
[18:44] < esden> GSMP ???
[18:44] < rxr> ah ok - I'll do this ...
[18:45] < rxr> General Sound Maniplation Programm
[18:45] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/gsmp/
[18:47] < esden> ahh kk
[18:48] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/photos/lxtag-2002/gallery.html
[18:49] < rxr> some form jocelyn's site - some others ... - more to come when my analog once are ready ...
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[18:50] < [-dalai-]> hi
[18:51] < esden> hi brackets ...
[18:51] < esden> aka [-dalai-]
[18:52] -!- [-dalai-] is now known as dalai
[18:52] < dalai> :)
[18:53] < dalai> is someone familar with ssa here?
[18:54] esden not
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[19:02] < esden> hi hackbard_
[19:02] < hackbard_> hi esden!
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[19:03] esden going to talk about the mutation of the huebi harddisk
[19:03] esden brb
[19:04] < rxr> re hackbard
[19:05] fake drives home
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[19:06] < esden> re ok ... the disk will mutate
[19:07] < fake> to what=
[19:08] < fake> one of those polish mutations ?
[19:09] < fake> where 8 Gb get 17 GB ?
[19:09] < fake> *g*
[19:09] fake is off, l8er
[19:11] < snyke> argh
[19:11] < snyke> can sb. tell me how to _create_ a tar archive? :(
[19:12] < SMP> x = eXtract
[19:12] < SMP> c = Create
[19:13] < th> snyke: so it's tar cf tarfile.tar directory_or_files
[19:13] < rxr> hi SMP !
[19:13] < th> re
[19:15] < snyke> thx th
[19:15] < snyke> &SMP
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[19:35] < uninvited> so
[19:41] esden be back
[19:50] < sockmonk> speaking of tar...
[19:51] < sockmonk> I noticed that on my drock 1.4.1, neither the j nor y option to tar got it to work with .bz2 files
[19:51] < sockmonk> how come?
[19:52] < th> sockmonk: it's the I option
[19:52] < sockmonk> the I option?? must have missed it in the man page
[19:52] < th> sockmonk: tar cfI creates archive with bz2 compression
[19:52] < th> sockmonk: rock has no manpage for tar, IIRC
[19:53] < sockmonk> is that likely to be standardized anytime soon? that makes three different flags that do the same thing,
[19:53] < sockmonk> apparently depending on how it's built
[19:53] < sockmonk> I'm not at my rock workstation now; maybe it was tar --help
[19:53] < th> i think I is the GNU standard for bz2 at tar
[19:54] < th> sockmonk: info tar is available... i hate info but i'm on it
[19:54] < th> -I, --bzip2, --bunzip2 filter the archive through bzip2
[19:54] < th> --help shows it
[19:54] < sockmonk> ok, must have missed it then. thanks.
[19:55] < SMP> -y or -j don't exist as tar options
[19:55] < sockmonk> -y works on slackware 7 and I think slackware 8's tar
[19:55] < sockmonk> -j works on the tar as built per linuxfromscratch.org
[19:56] < sockmonk> linuxfromscratch book version 3.2 or 3.3; built it a few months ago on a P90
[19:56] < th> -y, --bzip2, --bunzip2
[19:56] < th> filter the archive through bzip2
[19:56] < th> that's TAR(1) on slackware
[19:56] < th> 22 September 1993
[19:57] < sockmonk> right. which is what I'm using at the moment here at work.
[19:57] < th> sockmonk: me to on my non-rock machines
[20:09] < huebi> re
[20:10] < SMP> I don't see -y or -j on God's Own Tar, which is the BSD /usr/bin/tar
[20:12] < huebi> SMP: The options are allways patched into tar 1.3 IIRC
[20:12] < huebi> for bzip2
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[20:12] < tsa> re
[20:13] < huebi> hi tsa ;-)
[20:13] < tsa> hi huebi ;)
[20:14] < sockmonk> huebi: I do remember that for linuxfromscratch, the -j option was enabled with a separate patch file
[20:14] < huebi> sockmonk: Exact the same I remember ;-)
[20:17] < sockmonk> FSF or someone needs to make that standard functionality, so I don't have to guess which flag to use.
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[20:23] < the][owl> hi
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[20:26] < huebi> sockmonk: tar and standard - not the easiest goal.
[20:30] < SMP> "That's the nice thing about standards -- there's so many to choose from."
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[20:34] < fake> re.
[20:34] < huebi> hi fake
[20:34] < rolla> re
[20:36] fake has had no coffee today....
[20:36] < fake> is still feel like i just got up... *yawns*
[20:36] < rolla> ha ha
[20:36] < huebi> "coffee turkey"
[20:38] < fake> that's not funny -_
[20:38] < fake> -_-
[20:38] < rolla> yes it is :)
[20:39] < fake> my stomach hurt, and i was afraid it would get worse if i drink coffee... like it always did
[20:41] < fake> and no black tea or coke here to avoid caffeine shortage...
[20:41] < rolla> ja
[20:41] < huebi> fake: If you better like to have instant coffee without water it's the same as with a hand grenade in your hand getting cracks in it's surface: YOU should not be there.
[20:42] < fake> huebi: i didn't get it
[20:42] < fake> brain asleep... plz explain
[20:42] < huebi> fake: too much coffee kills you.
[20:42] < huebi> ;-)
[20:43] < huebi> like a exploding hand grenade
[20:43] < tsa> hm..
[20:43] < fake> i c
[20:43] < tsa> i never tried drinking hand grenades..
[20:44] < fake> huebi wanted to say: i am dying.
[20:44] < huebi> jo
[20:44] < tsa> ah, i see.
[20:44] < fake> and that you should keep a save distance from me.
[20:44] < tsa> please write a mail to the list and inform the others we might need a new mips maintainer..
[20:44] < tsa> ;-)
[20:44] < huebi> or more coffee
[20:51] < sockmonk> caffeine++
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[21:23] < uninvited> re
[21:24] < fake> re uni
[21:26] < uninvited> Ich hab mal ne Frage: ein Rechner mit einem 800er Duron Prozessor gehört zu welcher "Familie" ?
[21:27] < fake> AMD Athlon
[21:27] < huebi> uninvited: k7
[21:27] < fake> mit kaputtenm 2nd level cache ;)
[21:28] < huebi> Familie: "Aufgeblasener Taschenrechner"
[21:28] < fake> wie war das in 1.7 mit den architekturspezifischen patches....
[21:29] < fake> name.patch.mips
[21:29] < fake> z.b.
[21:29] < fake> oder?
[21:29] < huebi> Jedenfalls nichts um bei einer "Regatta" zu gewinnwen
[21:29] < huebi> fake: Ich bloed. Ich weiss nix
[21:29] < fake> ich weiss dass wir beide nichts wissen.
[21:29] < huebi> Ich nix wissen hehe
[21:30] < uninvited> fake + huebi> sobald ich im Kernel die K7 Familie aktiviere kann ich nicht mehr hochfahren. INIT-Probleme. Kompilier ich den Kernel nun mir i386 neu und starte gehts. Any ideas ?
[21:30] < huebi> uninvited: dann k6
[21:30] < fake> aktivier nicht die k7 familie.
[21:30] < uninvited> hehehehehe
[21:30] < huebi> oder besser i686
[21:30] < uninvited> Wo liegen die Unterschiede ?
[21:30] < fake> oder ia64
[21:31] < uninvited> *huh* ?
[21:31] < huebi> ./misc/bench/reference/
[21:31] < uninvited> ok
[21:32] < huebi> die amds sind mit i686 Optimierung schneller als mit k7 /k6
[21:33] < sockmonk> huebi: aren't the amds better supported under gcc 3.x?
[21:34] < fake> ia32 sucks
[21:34] < rxr> uninvited: maybe hardware problem
[21:34] < rxr> via chipsets really suck - might be memory corruption caused by bursts of memory access ...
[21:34] < huebi> sockmonk: amds are supported under gcc 3.x
[21:36] < huebi> better ;-)
[21:36] < uninvited> rxr> running PC133-222 SDRAMS, any suggestions ?
[21:36] < fake> try it at 333
[21:37] < sockmonk> I have an AMD Duron motherboard that seems to freeze under heavy load
[21:38] < uninvited> sockmonk> i guess its not a motherboard Problem. Duron sucks
[21:38] < sockmonk> not sure what the problem is; haven't had time to try and narrow it down
[21:38] < fake> ia32 sucks, as is said.
[21:39] < fake> s/is/i
[21:39] < snyke> fake: bchat = down
[21:39] fake will leave pretty soon
[21:39] < fake> eh?
[21:39] < fake> mom
[21:39] < snyke> plz
[21:39] < snyke> :)
[21:39] < sockmonk> I haven't even gotten around to customizing the kernel yet; hopefully that will help some
[21:41] < fake> back up.
[21:41] < snyke> thx
[21:41] < fake> perl sucks.
[21:41] < snyke> what about bccs?
[21:41] < sockmonk> perl rocks
[21:42] < fake> perl's socket handling sucks
[21:42] < sockmonk> eh, possibly. probably a CPAN module to work around any probs though
[21:42] < fake> snyke: ask crash. as always he might have stopped one step before completion.
[21:43] < snyke> buehe
[21:44] < uninvited> okay 686family works out.
[21:45] < sockmonk> how close is rock to using gcc 3.x?
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[21:46] < sockmonk> or should I ask, how close is gcc 3.x to being usable?
[21:51] fake is compiling rock with gcc 3.1
[21:51] < fake> sockmonk: perl - as it sucks - does not yet compile with 3.1
[21:53] < rxr> sockmonk: jups
[21:54] < rxr> I had a gcc-3.1 compiled on my LinuxTag laptop - only perl5 failed
[21:54] < rxr> the rest (including X11 and KDE-3.0.1 worked great.
[21:55] < fake> i never tried kde. (no reason needs to be given ;)
[21:56] < term_aweh> good night
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[21:56] < fake> hehe
[21:56] < fake> <-- leaving
[21:56] < fake> cya tomorrow or something.
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[22:02] < sockmonk> rxr: which version of perl?
[22:07] < tsa> rxr: please fix jack as soon as possible...i'll wait with continuiing the build..
[22:07] < rxr> re
[22:07] < rxr> 5.6
[22:08] < rxr> tsa: I can not fix jack in the next hours - since I would have to start a 1.7 build
[22:08] < tsa> rxr: no problem...i have time.
[22:08] < rxr> on my dRock-1.6.0 build it compiled fine - and the log shots it is a gtk s.th. problem ...
[22:08] < rxr> s/shots/shows/
[22:08] < tsa> yes, i've seen that...
[22:09] < rxr> so I need a whole 1.7 build to track this ...
[22:09] < tsa> therefore i did not dig deeper into it..
[22:09] < rxr> tsa: but jack is not needed for s.th. yet - so simply continue the Build ;-)
[22:09] < tsa> does clifford's current snapshot already contain our linuxtag fixes?
[22:09] < rxr> dunno
[22:09] rxr running Sync ...
[22:10] < rxr> urgh
[22:10] < rxr> urgh
[22:10] sockmonk looks for problems reports with perl and gcc3
[22:10] < tsa> btw...
[22:11] < tsa> many packages don't build docs because there is no doxygen...
[22:11] < tsa> at least in [3] ..
[22:11] < rxr> oh really ?
[22:11] < rxr> doygen is nice - I can add it to rene
[22:11] < tsa> from jack:
[22:11] < tsa> configure: warning: *** doxygen not found, docs will not be built
[22:12] < rxr> ah ok
[22:12] < tsa> i've seen this on other packages before, but don't remember which ones..
[22:12] < rxr> but I guess not many packages use this ...
[22:12] < rxr> - Applied Linuxtag fixes from Sebastian Jaenicke and Rene Rebe
[22:12] < tsa> ah, ok.
[22:13] < tsa> what exactly is doxygen, which package does provide it?
[22:13] < tsa> or is it something separate?
[22:13] < rxr> doxygen is the naem of the package
[22:13] < dalai> n8
[22:13] < tsa> hm...seems we don't have it in 1.7
[22:13] < rxr> doxygen can generate indexes and overviews of sourcecode
[22:14] < rxr> jups we do not have it
[22:14] < rxr> maybe in sf or so ...
[22:14] < rxr> but it can go into the rene rep
[22:14] < rxr> i used it for GSMP allready ...
[22:14] < tsa> would be good to have it..
[22:14] < rxr> jups I add it
[22:14] < rxr> 1648 patches left ... (to be merged with my sync tool ...)
[22:14] < tsa> ok.
[22:14] < tsa> hehe
[22:15] < tsa> who maintains x11/ ?
[22:15] < tsa> clifford? or you?
[22:16] tsa rsyncing..
[22:16] < rxr> me
[22:16] < rxr> (officially ...)
[22:16] < rxr> why ?
[22:17] < tsa> just curious..
[22:17] < rxr> hm - do I simply apply all of cliffs modifications ?
[22:17] < rxr> mostly moving files arround ...
[22:17] < rxr> a
[22:17] < rxr> *
[22:17] < tsa> hehe
[22:17] < rxr> so alles gemerged ...
[22:17] < snyke> bye
[22:17] < rxr> cu snyke
[22:17] < tsa> cu snyke
[22:18] < netcrow> bye
[22:18] < rxr> 0 patches left ...
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[22:18] < sockmonk> only problem I found with perl and gcc3 is when someone had their locale set to Hebrew
[22:18] < tsa> erm..
[22:18] < sockmonk> just googling...
[22:18] < rxr> sockmonk: it simply does not compile because of some pointer casting ...
[22:19] < rxr> I' ll start a 1.7 build in a few seconds - so we'll see ...
[22:19] < tsa> what is the meaning of the new ia32 repository?
[22:19] < rxr> and btw Perl5 compiled fine with gcc-3.0.2 ...
[22:19] < rxr> ia32 only packages ...
[22:19] < tsa> is this ia32-specific code? and who maintains this?
[22:19] < rxr> like the sparc one ...
[22:19] < tsa> ok
[22:20] < rxr> hm first bug
[22:20] < rxr> I select intel and do not get any optmization options ...
[22:20] < tsa> hm....perhaps we should also add ia64 soon...
[22:21] < rxr> yeah soon ;-) when ever this is ...
[22:21] < rxr> but Clifford and I talked with Intel at LinuxTag for an Intanium test system ...
[22:22] < rxr> we might get remote access
[22:22] < tsa> i know...clifford already told me on lxtag..
[22:22] < tsa> yeah..and physical access later, when we're getting into the "hot phase"..
[22:22] < rxr> jups
[22:23] < rxr> hm the last snap seems to be broken
[22:23] < tsa> i could already make one ia64-specific package..
[22:23] < rxr> hm ?
[22:23] < tsa> nvidia has binary drivers for ia64... ;-)
[22:23] < tsa> the current nvidia package would have to go to ia32, then..
[22:24] < rxr> wow - no optimizations to select - and no compilers too ...
[22:24] < rxr> tsa: better one package which is ia32 and ia64 ready ...
[22:24] < tsa> hehe...you're free to write a mail to nvidia..
[22:25] < rxr> no I mean - writing a ROCK package which is [R] + ia32 ia64
[22:25] < tsa> yes, sure...but how should i test ia64..?
[22:25] < tsa> i need an ia64 machine.
[22:25] < rxr> and uses another URL for download and compiling - err deflating
[22:25] < rxr> me too
[22:26] < tsa> and a big fat fast sparc64 would be nice, too.
[22:26] < rxr> jups - not a U5 ...
[22:27] < tsa> something nice...dual u60 or quad u80 ...
[22:27] < rxr> ;-)
[22:28] < tsa> i guess an u60 would be ok....the u80 case looks strange, IMHO..
[22:28] < tsa> like an inflated balloon..
[22:28] < rxr> ;-) Never took a look ...
[22:28] rxr eating s.th. and then fixing the current snap ...
[22:32] < tsa> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!
[22:32] < tsa> I hate T-offline.
[22:33] < tsa> just sent another mail to an @t-online.de address which will never get delivered because they are too dumb to use a split-horizon dns
[22:34] < tsa> i should get myself an open relay server in asia to use as a smarthost..
[22:34] < tsa> *sigh*
[22:35] < rxr> hm
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[22:46] < tsa> /^DS
[22:46] < tsa> argh..
[22:46] < tsa> wrong window.
[22:47] < tsa> ok....problem solved.
[22:48] < tsa> hm...how do i define a smarthost in sendmail.mc?
[22:48] < tsa> never edited it before..
[22:52] < tsa> define(`SMART_HOST', `smart.foo.com')
[22:52] < tsa> aah...got it
[22:53] < tsa> strange. editing .cf seems easier to me..
[22:54] < huebi> tsa: jo, it is.
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[22:55] < tsa> i don't understand why so many people blame sendmail....it just extremely configurable..
[22:57] < huebi> tsa: the syntax is a little bit special.
[22:57] < tsa> huebi: sure..
[22:57] < tsa> huebi: do you know the sendmail book from o'reilly? it helps a lot to understand what's going on in sendmail.cf..
[22:59] < huebi> tsa: Yes, I know it. But it still needs very much time to understand it as good as it is needed to get sendmail to do exactly what it should do.
[22:59] < tsa> yes, sure..
[23:00] < huebi> The vocabulary of sendmail is not intuitive enough to learn it fast.
[23:02] < tsa> hehe...indeed. but most stuff is really easy. i guess 90% of the .cf are just definitions of macros (D,C,F), options (O) and subsets (S) of rewrite rules (R) ..
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[23:03] < tsa> define maps, fill them, do pattern matching. no more, no less.
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[23:05] < rxr> why not simply use a more comforable MTA - like Exim or so ...
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[23:06] < holyolli> re
[23:07] < tsa> rxr: sendmail isn't uncomfortable, imho..
[23:08] < rxr> hi holyolli
[23:08] < tsa> hi holyolli
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[23:09] < holyolli> hi rxr, tsa
[23:10] < huebi> hi holyolli
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[23:27] < tsa> rxr: do you use exim?
[23:28] < tsa> hm..
[23:28] < tsa> anyone else using exim?
[23:30] < rxr> erh - jups
[23:30] < rxr> sorry for my latency ...
[23:30] < tsa> i've been reading exim docs..
[23:30] < tsa> to set up a smarthost, it seems to be this:
[23:31] < tsa> smart_route:
[23:31] < tsa> driver = manualroute
[23:31] < tsa> domains = !+local_domains
[23:31] < tsa> transport = remote_smtp
[23:31] < tsa> route_list = * smarthost.ref.example
[23:31] < tsa> is this correct?
[23:31] < rxr> the exim docs are rather strange - I always do not find the right place at the first look ...
[23:31] < rxr> jups - from a quick look this seems to be correct.
[23:31] < rxr> (for Exim-4.x ...)
[23:32] < tsa> i've just been looking at two things....setting up smarthosts and allowing/denying vrfy/expn ..
[23:32] < tsa> for vrfy/expn stuff it seems i have to set up some sort of acl system..
[23:34] < tsa> acl_smtp_vrfy = something
[23:34] < tsa> begin something:
[23:34] < tsa> accept...
[23:34] < rxr> vrfy/expn ??
[23:35] < rxr> ich bin mal kurz 1.7 fixen ..
[23:35] < tsa> hm...
[23:35] < tsa> strange.
[23:35] < tsa> setting "DS" or "O PrivacyOptions" seems a lot easier to me..
[23:39] < rxr> so optimization selection work again ;-)
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[23:49] < huebi> n8
[23:51] < tsa> cu huebi
[23:51] < rxr> fixed ROCK-1.7 on my server ...
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[23:52] < rxr> rote 1503251 bytes read 30368 bytes 34463.35 bytes/sec
[23:52] < rxr> total size is 8507072 speedup is 5.55
-!- Irrsi Log closed Wed Jun 12 00:00:42 2002