--- Log opened Wed Jun 26 00:00:07 2002 --- Day changed Sat Jun 26 2002 00:09 < esden> hi all 00:10 < fake> ha... the ldconfig from debain is strange... 00:11 < fake> while the "original" ldconfig uses a read() statement, the debian's one doesnt ... o_O 00:18 < esden> fake: have you found your coredump problem in ldconfig on mips ? 00:18 < esden> or was it something different that crashed badly ? 00:18 < fake> esden: no coredump. just segfault. and no, not yet. i will examine it further tomorrow. 00:19 < esden> ok 00:19 * -> esden lookig how natalie feels ;-) 00:23 < fake> ah, no. I'll do it _now_ 00:30 < th> huebi: url? 00:31 < huebi> th: It printed ;( try www.ssc.com 00:31 -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 00:31 < mike1> re 00:31 < huebi> hi mike1 00:31 < mike1> hi andreas 00:31 < th> huebi: just recent stuff there 00:32 < huebi> th: no archive there? 00:32 < huebi> th: google? 00:33 < esden> hi mike1 00:33 < mike1> esden: i thought you would be at #gentoo 00:33 < mike1> hi esden ;) 00:33 < esden> mike1: ????? 00:33 < esden> mike1: schould I leave this channel and go to them ? 00:33 < mike1> esden: just read ur mail to the mailing list a while ago 00:33 < esden> should I ??? 00:33 < mike1> esden: no way 00:34 < esden> good .. ;-) 00:34 < mike1> just thought youd be standing for rock-linux ;) 00:34 < mike1> but certainly you are right 00:34 < mike1> it makes no sence to leave this chan to go there 00:34 < esden> I was more critisizing them ... than saying they are good 00:35 < mike1> i know ;) 00:35 < esden> the things that are good have nothing to do with portage that is what they think is good in their distro ... 00:36 < esden> and we can easyly take the good parts to us 00:36 < esden> or better say learn from them ... 00:36 < th> Another way to browse the internet, the World Wide Web brings the Internet's old and new 00:36 < mike1> i think that they will with the time just become another user friendly distro 00:36 < esden> we should learn from others 00:36 < th> resources together. 00:37 < esden> mike1: I suppose that that is their gole 00:37 < mike1> yeah not steal but learn from the good things that other have to improve our distro :D 00:37 < esden> mike1: that is what I wanted to say 00:37 < mike1> esden: about that "nerd people" comment 00:38 < esden> yes ? 00:38 < mike1> what can i say 00:38 < esden> ... 00:38 < mike1> not everyone has the guts to do something more deep than using a guy interface 00:38 < mike1> or getting the distro to auto detect the hardware 00:38 < esden> hehe ... 00:39 < mike1> no auto-hardware-detection is only for genius i guess 00:39 < mike1> lol 00:39 < esden> lol 00:40 < fake> *LOL* 00:40 < th> https://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=2769 00:40 < fake> from ldconfig.c : when you want to do everything ldconfig can do (cache rebuild:) 00:40 < mike1> Anyways i found it a good thing that you sent the report to the list, telling us the good and bad things 00:40 < fake> /* the lazy bum want's us to do all the work for him */ 00:40 < esden> mike1: I would like to play with hardware auto detection ... so I will probably integrate it as an option to the new installdisk system 00:41 < mike1> i think rene had made some work on this on his last drock release an i wrong? 00:41 < esden> no idea 00:41 * -> esden does not have anything to do with drock 00:42 < esden> drock seems to be too user friendly ;-) 00:42 < mike1> lol 00:42 < mike1> still i think there something of hardware detection i will find it out later 00:42 < esden> I do not have to compile my windowmenager by myself ... that is something for weenies ;-) 00:43 < esden> mike1: please do it 00:43 < mike1> esden: i will 00:43 < mike1> th: nice article 00:44 * mike1 getting some coffee... anyone wants some? 00:45 < esden> no thanks ... I have jolt ;-) 00:45 * mike1 costarican cosffee BTW esden 00:45 < mike1> *g 00:45 < esden> it is too hot for coffee 00:45 < esden> ahh that is an argument 00:45 < esden> then I would like also one ;-) 00:46 * -> esden and blindcoder are trying to organize proppeller hats with rocklinux logo on them for 19C3 00:46 < esden> for all rock developers that will be there ;-) 00:48 < mike1> esden: i would like to have 2 please 00:48 < mike1> *g 00:48 < SMP> hell.. read https://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/propeller-head.html and stop making an elephant of a fly 00:49 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB63B0B.ipt.aol.com] has left #rocklinux () 00:49 < esden> SMP: why are you getting angry ? I think it is funny to run around with a propeller on your head .. that is all 00:50 < huebi> I want a fully automatic air condition in my hat. 00:51 < esden> you do not have to wear it @ SMP 00:51 < esden> huebi: hehe ... batteries included ;-) 00:51 < huebi> esden: powered by an fusion reactor ;-) 00:52 < SMP> I know I don't _have to_... 00:52 < SMP> ;-} 00:52 < esden> huebi: cold fusion reactor ... /me working on it currently in his free time 00:53 < mike1> funny thing is that we were trying to improve our PR stuff, now suddenly the idea of the propeller hats comes up 00:54 < esden> mike1: I think that if _some_ of us (looking towards SMP) wear the hats ... then the people will remember us ;-) 00:54 < mike1> definitly 00:55 < mike1> it would be cool to have not only the hats but also cool shirts for 19c3 00:55 < huebi> y 00:55 < mike1> maybe get the a new logo 00:55 < esden> mike1: ack 00:55 < huebi> oops 00:56 < esden> mike1: I like the current logo by now 00:56 < SMP> R0C|< L33N0X 0wnZ Y3R 00:56 < huebi> esden: but the "Fuss" of the L is too big. 00:57 < SMP> that would fit well for 19C3 I think ;> 00:57 < mike1> SMP: hehe 00:57 < esden> SMP: lol 00:57 < huebi> SMP: ...assimilates you? 00:58 < mike1> rxr: you awake? 00:58 < SMP> 7350 can't be the only ones there with cool shirts 00:58 < mike1> SMP: true 00:58 < SMP> ehm 00:58 < SMP> s,coo,l33t, 00:58 < mike1> but who cares we are getting hats 00:58 < huebi> root@fels:~# ll /etc/init.d/ 00:58 < huebi> lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 Jun 23 02:58 init.d -> ../etc/init.d 00:59 < huebi> Does somebody know where tis link comes from? 00:59 < esden> huebi: that is still there? 00:59 < esden> it breaks runlvedit 00:59 < huebi> jo 00:59 < huebi> jo 00:59 < esden> I have removed it on all my boxes 01:00 < esden> and had no problems till now ... 01:00 < esden> beside the one that runlvedit works now ;-) 01:00 < huebi> but where does it come from. Deleting is lame ;-))) 01:01 < esden> who wants to organize cool ... ehhhm l33t ... t-shirts for 19C3 ? 01:01 < SMP> is it in /var/adm/flists/* ? 01:02 < esden> hmm .. me not ... 01:02 < huebi> SMP: Yes! in: 01:02 < huebi> /var/adm/flists/sysfiles 01:02 < huebi> easy to fix 01:05 < fake> hm... 01:05 * fake now really doing printf debugging 01:06 < fake> Checking wether libncurses.so is a shlib... yes, now checking. 01:06 < fake> Malloc: OK. xstrdup: OK. xstrdup2: OK. libtype: OK. islink: OK. Assign Next: OK. set libs = lp: OK. 01:06 < fake> and so forth.... 01:07 < huebi> ... fixed. 01:07 < esden> fake: have fun ... 01:10 < huebi> SMP, th: is it possible to get the Changelog online somewhere? 01:11 -!- [anders] [~guest@62.3.122.161] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:12 < huebi> ps axf 01:12 < huebi> ;-) 01:12 -!- [anders] [~guest@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux 01:13 < esden> . 01:14 < mike1> re [anders] 01:16 < esden> n8 @ all 01:16 < fake> nacht esden 01:20 < mike1> n8 esden 01:22 < fake> ah... i might have found something... 01:30 -!- Ge0rG [georg@op-co.de] has quit (Remote closed the connection) 01:31 -!- [anders]_ [~guest@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux 01:41 -!- [anders] [~guest@62.3.122.161] has quit (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02:03 < fake> hm... the closer i look the earlier it segfaults 02:03 < huebi> ;( 02:06 < huebi> I cleaned up a little bit here in my room. The SUNs are not standing in the middle of the room anymore ;-)) 02:07 < huebi> They both are now connected with the serial console to my gateway PC 02:11 < fake> wee. it's a string function. 02:12 < huebi> fake: nice. cu tomorrow ;-) 02:12 < huebi> by 02:12 < fake> cya! 02:12 < mike1> by fake 02:13 < fake> err. i'm not leaving. 02:13 < mike1> fake: hehe 02:13 < mike1> bye huebi 02:13 < huebi> bye mike1 02:13 < huebi> I just started 2 new builds for sparc64 02:13 < huebi> n8 02:14 < mike1> cool 02:39 < fake> aw. i'll debug it tomorrow. sleep well mike1 ;) 02:40 < mike1> you too fake 02:43 < fake> thanks! 03:42 -!- coldie [jeff@xar.sliepen.eu.org] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07:18 -!- [anders]_ [~guest@62.3.122.161] has quit ("time to go to work") 08:01 < esden> morning 08:11 < mike1> good morning esden 08:11 < mike1> how are you today my friend? 08:14 < mike1> well its 00:15 am here 08:14 < mike1> i better go get some sleep 08:14 < mike1> see you later 08:25 < esden> cu l8er mike1 08:25 < esden> if you are still here ... I am fine 08:25 < esden> and how are you ? 08:25 < esden> tired I suppose 08:26 * -> esden trying out wolk 08:26 < esden> wolk = Working Overloaded Linux Kernel 08:52 < esden> huebi: I need YOU !!! 08:55 < praenti> wolk?? 09:01 < esden> yes wolk : https://www.sf.net/projects/wolk 09:01 < esden> it looks good 09:01 < esden> but it is too bloated for me 09:02 < esden> I need a vanilla+alsa+preempty+newestpcmcia 09:03 < esden> there are some other nice patches. but I need them only for the lain target 09:04 < esden> praenti: do you know why the linux-src package fails in 1.5 cvs tree ? 09:05 < esden> first of all the packet can not find the tarball of the kernel 09:06 < esden> (I symlinked to fix it base-archive/linux base-archive/linux-src ... that is not a clean fix) 09:06 < esden> and than I still get this error: 09:06 < esden> he file autoconf.h and modversions.h must be in the right place ... 09:06 < esden> `/rock-linux/misc/linux/autoconf.h' -> `include/linux/autoconf.h' 09:06 < esden> Create symlinks and a few headers for arch <> ... 09:06 < esden> Creating default kernel configuration ... 09:06 < esden> using: '/rock-linux/arch-conf/alpha/kernel-.conf' 09:06 < esden> cp: cannot stat `/rock-linux/arch-conf/alpha/kernel-.conf': No such file or directory 09:06 < esden> -- 09:07 < esden> I thought that huebi fixed this stuff already ... 09:07 * -> esden needs huebi to wake up ... 09:09 < esden> ahh .. it seems that there is a problem with alpha ... hmm 09:12 < praenti> esden: looks like alpha problem. if i'm on the right boat, kernel-.conf does not exist 09:13 < praenti> should be be kernel.conf i think 09:13 < esden> yes that is right 09:13 < esden> but the other thing that the tarball is not beeing found is not arch dependant 09:14 < esden> the scripts are searching for the tarball in base-archive/linux-src and not in base-archive/linux 09:14 < esden> that is wrong if I understand it correctly 09:16 < rxr> re 09:17 < praenti> esden: you can hardcode it ;-) at the moment iit looks this way 09:17 < praenti> tar --use-compress-program=bzip2 -xf \ 09:17 < praenti> $archdir/linux-$ver.tar.bz2 09:18 < praenti> and $archdir=base-archive/linux-src/... 09:18 < praenti> ahh 09:18 < praenti> and $archdir=base-archive/linux-src 09:18 < praenti> thats what i mean 09:21 < esden> hmm ... I should change $archdir to what variable 09:21 < esden> I do not remember the variables anymore 09:21 < esden> re rxr 09:22 < rxr> hi esden 09:22 < esden> yes hi ;-) 09:22 * -> esden needs nicotine NOW a lot of it !!! 09:24 < praenti> esden: for example to base-archive/linux 09:24 < praenti> esden: why? believe me you dont need nicotine 09:25 < esden> wer bekennt sich schuldig die datei linux-src geschrieben zu haben !!! 09:26 < praenti> da musst du glaub ich auf huebi warten. noch was gefunden? 09:26 < esden> they are praenti I need it ... I need something to cool down ... otherwise I will kill someone .. 09:26 < rxr> esden: vielleicht ich und cliff ... 09:26 < esden> for example the one who wrote the scripts !!! 09:26 < esden> arghsl 09:26 < rxr> esden: the linux and liuux-src build stuff in 1.7 ?????????? 09:27 < esden> no 1.5 09:27 < rxr> oh - ok. This was huebi ... 09:27 < esden> ok so he must die ... or I get nikotine ;-) 09:27 < praenti> esden: was is na an dem script noch scheiße? 09:28 * -> esden brb 09:32 < esden> re 09:33 < esden> praenti: the script assumes that all arch's have $ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT ... that is not true 09:33 < praenti> ahhm. ja das is scheiße 09:33 < esden> and uses it as base for lx_cpu 09:34 < esden> that cat not work 09:34 < esden> s/cat/can/ 09:37 < rxr> your cat doesn't work ? ;-) 09:39 < esden> lol 09:39 * -> esden would like to have a cat 09:39 * -> esden love's cat's 09:39 < esden> uhhm 09:39 < esden> cats 09:40 < esden> hmm ... the tik was obsolete 09:40 < rxr> ;-) ok - cu all ... 09:44 < th> huebi: ping 09:44 < th> moin # 09:45 < esden> hi th 10:01 -!- [anders] [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 10:01 < [anders]> re all; 10:01 < [anders]> Q: how would I get bash to link with ncurses when using the build system in ROCK 1.4.0 10:03 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:03 < holyolli> moin 10:03 < [anders]> re holyolli 10:03 < [anders]> holyolli: perhaps you know the answer..? :) 10:03 < [anders]> Q: how would I get bash to link with ncurses when using the build system in ROCK 1.4.0 10:03 < blindcoder> konnichi wa, mina-san! 10:03 < blindcoder> esden: you there? 10:04 < holyolli> hi anders... 10:04 < holyolli> sorry, but I don't know it 10:04 < [anders]> 'tis ok.. I'll figure it out somehow.. Not going to be a pretty solution though.. :-D 10:09 < esden> blindcoder: yes 10:09 < esden> argh ... 10:10 < esden> fsck 1.5 on alpha 10:10 < esden> nothing works 10:10 < holyolli> hi esden 10:10 < esden> hi holyolli 10:10 < huebi> moin 10:10 < holyolli> huhu huebi 10:11 < esden> huebi: gut dass du da bist 10:11 < huebi> hi holyolli 10:11 < huebi> hi esden 10:11 < esden> huebi: ich sollte dich schlagen weisst du ? 10:11 < praenti> moin huebi 10:11 < holyolli> .oO(now they get all awake... ;-) 10:11 < esden> aber ich habe es jetzt gefixed ... jetzt bin ich wieder ruhig 10:11 < huebi> esden: Warum? 10:12 < fake> morning 10:12 < esden> huebi: kann es sein dass du die kernel build scripte neu geschrieben hast ? 10:12 < esden> oder basieren die auf etwas ? 10:13 < esden> hi fake 10:13 < huebi> esden: die basieren auf den scripten von dRock. Sind aber stark umgebaut. 10:13 < esden> ja ... die sind nict wirklich arch aware 10:14 < huebi> ist jetzt nicht mehr modules und linux sondern linux und linux-src 10:14 < fake> esden: wie steht es eigentlich mit der PS2-Sache? Ich hab jetzt nen paypal acc, und du warst derjenige der am lautesten geschrien hat... vielleicht solltest du als gutes Beispiel vorangehen... 10:14 < fake> ;-) 10:14 * fake _really_ wants to do that port 10:15 < esden> huebi: da wird angenommen dass jede architektur $ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT besitzt 10:15 < esden> dass stimmt nicht 10:15 < huebi> esden: Ich weiss und bin auch schon am bauen. Mit sparc64 gibt es da auch noch probleme. 10:15 < [anders]> sussed it.. was an easy solution.. 10:15 < huebi> esden: Jede Architeektur bekommt einfach ein ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT. 10:15 < esden> ich habe es jetzt fuer alpha gefixed ... aber es kann sein dass dieser fix auch fuer andere richtekturen greift 10:16 < esden> huebi: noe wozu ? 10:16 < huebi> export LANG=en_GB ? 10:16 < [anders]> to bash.conf add the line "export bash_cv_termcap_lib=libncurses" 10:16 < esden> ok why do we need in all arches ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT?? 10:16 < [anders]> viola, internationalised bash.. 10:17 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("fnord!") 10:17 < huebi> esden: ROCKCFG_CPU_OPT is needed to select the right CPU opt. esp in ia32 10:18 < huebi> and in sparc 10:18 < huebi> but not in sparc64 10:18 < esden> yes in ia32 but I do not think that all arches need it ... 10:18 < esden> I will add it in alpha too ... but I do nat think that all arches need it... 10:20 < huebi> esden: You are very right. Not all archs need it but some. I want to have it in an consistant way for all arch/CPU compinations. 10:20 < huebi> s/p/b/ 10:20 < esden> that is an argument 10:21 < th> huebi: du hattest sie doch nicht an meine adresse geschickt. war heut bei der firmenadresse und hab das paket gesehen :) 10:21 < blindcoder> time for setting up a new router... this one is fubar 10:21 < blindcoder> esden: have a look at animepixel.n3.net (German Tranlastor) :D 10:21 -!- [anders] [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("brb") 10:23 < huebi> th: Schoen, das es angekommen ist ;-)) 10:23 < th> huebi: jepp :-) und die MAC hab ich glaub ich schon 10:23 < fake> esden: no comment? 10:23 < huebi> th: Steht drauf *g* 10:23 < th> huebi: oha dann kann ich ja kontrollieren 10:24 < esden> blindcoder: cool ... 10:24 < blindcoder> huebi: I should be able to send you a Build-Build Script (or whatever more suitable name one finds ;) by this weekend 10:24 < huebi> th: und faengt mit 08:00:20 an. 10:24 -!- coldie [jeff@warande3094.warande.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux 10:24 < esden> blindcoder: could this guy not use a bigger font ? 10:24 < blindcoder> esden: no, I think this is alread size="7" 10:24 < th> huebi: ein luefter muss da aber schon drin sein. 10:25 < huebi> blindcoder: Kool! Will be teste and implemented immediatly then. 10:25 < esden> blindcoder: ohh ... that is sad ... >_< 10:25 < huebi> th: HAE? 10:25 < th> huebi: man hoert ein geraeusch 10:25 < huebi> th: Vielleicht ein Killerkaefer? 10:26 < fake> esden: great! talking about doing something and then being oh-so-quiet when it comes to actually _doing_ something.. weenie... 10:26 < huebi> th: Mach sie doch mal auf... 10:26 < th> huebi: ein killerkaefer? 10:26 < esden> fake: ??? 10:26 < esden> asooo 10:26 < esden> sorry 10:27 < esden> ich habe deinen poset uebersehen ... 10:27 < fake> beide? 10:27 < huebi> th: Kolumbianische riesen Killerkaefer. werden mit Kaffeemaschinen eingeschleppt. ungefaehr 50Kg schwer, der Kaefer. 10:27 < esden> hmm ... ich muss erstmal geld auftreiben 10:27 < esden> ;-) 10:27 < th> huebi: wow :) 10:27 < esden> fake: weisst wieso ich so geschrieen habe ? 10:27 < fake> wann? 10:27 < esden> weil ich weiss wie es ist kein geld zu haben um hardware anzuschaffen ... 10:27 < th> huebi: hmm. muss schwerer sein als gold der kaefer, wenn er in der station steckt 10:28 < esden> ja wegen der PS2 sache 10:28 < fake> esden: man sollte nicht etwas vorschlagen was man selbst nicht einhalten kann 10:29 < huebi> th: wenn du zu ihm "MuH!" sagst macht er platz und laesst sich den Panzer polieren. Schnurrt dann irgend wann 10:29 < huebi> th: Was ist es denn fuer ein Geraeusch? so im ernst mal.. *g* 10:29 < th> huebi: klingt wie ein kleiner luefter... 10:29 < esden> fake: ok ... ich habe auch nicht gemeint dass ich es zahlen werde ... wir haben genug leute die geld verdienen denen paar euro nichts ausmachen ... 10:29 < esden> fake: es war nur gut gemeint 10:29 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has joined #rocklinux 10:30 < holyolli> re 10:30 < esden> ich lasse es dass naechste mal 10:30 < th> huebi: oder ein rauschen von angeschalteten boxen 10:30 < fake> esden: gute idee. 10:30 < esden> fake: arschloch 10:30 < th> gibts schon ein howto-rock-with-jstation.txt 10:31 * praenti is in der fh. cya later 10:32 < fake> https://images.dibona.com/pictures/showpic/index.shtml?Kernel02/convs/12x10_dscn4025.jpg 10:33 < fake> is that linus lying down in front of them? 10:34 < huebi> th: die hat keinen. definitiv nicht, aber es koennte ein Stoergeraeusch aus dem eingebautem Lautsprecher sein. 10:35 < th> huebi: ahh is also ein lautsprecher drin. das koennte es sein. 10:35 < huebi> th: mit sound on board! 10:36 < huebi> th: mach sie doch einfach vorsichtig auf. Die lila Klappen oeffnen und dann die beiden grauen Gehaeuseteile einfach auseinanderziehen... 10:36 < huebi> aber vorsichtig! 10:37 < th> na ersma noch nich 10:37 < th> ersma wundere ich mich warum mein bootpd nicht anspring 10:37 < th> t 10:37 < huebi> dann die gehaeusehaelfte, in der nicht die Platine sitzt nach hinten ziehen. Die Gehaeuseteile nicht zu weit auseinander ziehen. 10:38 < huebi> th: dhcpd. neueste version. wichtig! MTU ist bei 1514. Aeltere dhcpd koennen das noch nicht. 10:38 < th> huebi: ein bootpd reicht nicht? 10:40 < huebi> th: https://www.ssc.com/mirrors/LDP/HOWTO/JavaStation-HOWTO/index.html <- da steht alles drin. 10:40 < huebi> th: Ich habe nur dhcpd ausprobiert. 10:43 < th> This kernel does not support RARP. 10:44 < th> modprobe rarp 10:44 < th> *whew* 10:44 < SMP> RARP? ich dachte DHCP reicht? 10:44 < huebi> mom 10:44 < huebi> moin SMP 10:44 < SMP> wenn's denn funktionieren taete.. 10:45 < huebi> also den kernel habe ich geladen bekommen. 10:45 < huebi> on nfs ging auch 10:45 < huebi> / on nfs ging auch 10:45 < SMP> th: meine JS bekommt vom dhcpf DHCPOFFERs, schickt aber kein DHCPACK, sondern immer wieder nur DHCPDISCOVERs 10:46 < huebi> baut doch beide mal das flas rom aus. 10:46 < huebi> +h 10:46 < SMP> s,dhcpf,dhcpd, 10:46 < SMP> uhm 10:46 < th> 10:45:14.028915 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0xc73beb21 [|bootp] 10:46 < th> das schickt sie. und das is ne bootp anfrage 10:47 < th> mein bootpd scheint garnicht zu loggen 10:47 < huebi> oder direkt am Lautsprecher gibt es noch 4 jumper ehrm Draufstoeplselmoeglichkeiten. 10:48 < huebi> entweder die 2. oder 3. Jumperstelle schliessen und das ding bootet vom Netz und nicht vom Flash 10:48 < huebi> oder 10:49 < huebi> ALT-h schon vor dem einschalten gedrueckt halten. Kommt dann eine kurze hilfe. 10:49 < esden> fake: I have a paypal account now too ... but I have no credit card so I still can not send you money .. >_< 10:49 < huebi> bei FW 3.11fw14 oder so.. 10:49 < SMP> Trick um die Gehaeusehaelfte ohne MB vollstaendig zu Loesen? 10:49 -!- [anders] [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has joined #rocklinux 10:50 < th> kennt jemand die tcpdump syntax um bestimmte logs auszuschliessen? 10:50 < huebi> SMP: jo. die leere haelfte vorsichtig nach hinten zu den Anschluessen druecken. 10:50 < th> ahh hab schon 10:51 < huebi> ich baue mal schnell mein bootpacket fuer euch zusammen... 10:51 < th> danke. 10:51 < th> schiebstes dann irgendwo hin? 10:51 < th> ich muss ersma noch zu ner uebung 10:52 < huebi> th: jo, viel Spass 10:53 < fake> esden: nevermind, its ok. 10:53 < th> 10:53:07.581640 0.0.0.0.68 > 255.255.255.255.67: xid:0xd7b18d02 [|bootp] 10:53 < th> 10:53:07.582027 192.168.1.138.67 > 192.168.1.77.68: xid:0xd7b18d02 Y:192.168.1.77 S:192.168.1.138 [|bootp] 10:53 < th> 77 is die js 10:53 < th> 138 der bootp server 10:53 < huebi> /tftpboot mit funktionierendem kernel landed gerade in meinem ~ auf world. 10:54 < esden> fake: I do not know what your problem is ... but you have one ... and it is a big one ... 10:54 * th muss wirklich los 10:54 < huebi> th: ich kopiere es nach /tmp 10:55 < fake> me? i'm just curious. after all it was no my idea. 10:57 < fake> hint: entitling people as an asshole might not help solve their problems. 10:57 < esden> fake: you wanted the box I wanted to help you get one ... and then you attak me that I did it ... how should I entitle you in such a situation ? 10:58 < huebi> fake, esden: Could you both be a little bit more polite? That would be very nice... 10:58 < fake> huebi: i try to be polite. 10:58 < SMP> *YES*!! 10:58 < esden> huebi: sorry ... 10:58 < SMP> I removed the flash 10:59 < SMP> now it works 10:59 < huebi> Mathilda is watching... 10:59 < SMP> th: du musst das flash entfernen 10:59 < fake> esden: to be honest, i didn't like the fact that you brought this thing up on the list before asking me - but what the hell. i am only curious why you stopped your efforts in helping me when it cam to action. that's all. 10:59 < huebi> SMP: You can also set a jumper. I make a picture of it later 10:59 < SMP> huebi: it's descibed in the JS-HOWTO 11:00 < huebi> SMP: Jo. but it failed for me. 11:00 * fake smoking 11:00 < SMP> oh 11:00 < huebi> I did not understand it in the right way.. 11:00 < huebi> brb.. 11:02 < esden> fake: hmm ... I stopped because you took over to you creating the peypal account ... I have not thaught that you still need help ... schould I continue crying around on the list that people should send money on your account ? 11:04 < [anders]> re 11:04 < [anders]> hmm.. å 11:05 < esden> fake: it was only a suggestion on the list ... I do not think that suggestions have to be discussed offlist first ... you could say from the beginning that this ps2 stuff is only a joke from you and then the story had an end ... 11:05 < esden> fake: don't you think ? 11:06 < esden> errrm that could be missunderstood ... 11:06 < esden> I mean don't you think this way too ? 11:08 < huebi> [anders]: kool! å <- your bash? 11:09 < [anders]> huebi: err, what is? 11:10 < huebi> SMP: In the iX from 12/2001 was an article about Linux on Krups 11:10 < huebi> SMP: I scan it and send it to you. 11:10 < SMP> ok, PROLL coming up 11:11 < huebi> [anders]: I did not get &[a,o,u]uml; in the console but you and thats kool ;-) 11:12 < SMP> IT BOOOOOOOOOOOOTS 11:12 < [anders]> huebi: I am still having problems with it, but working on it.. :) 11:12 * SMP jumps around huebi ;) 11:13 < huebi> SMP: For the root fs you can use the 1.5.12 sparc64 packages. Userland is only 32bit and will work for Krups 11:14 < huebi> SMP: I don't know about the Xserver but I expect that it might not work (1.5.12) 11:16 < huebi> SMP: https://www.ultralinux.org/links.html <- The rootfs does not work. The rest I did not test. 11:19 < fake> esden: i was not talking about you begging for money that should be given to me, i was talking about yout following your own suggestions. 11:21 < fake> esden: but as i said, it was only a question. 11:22 < fake> esden: i din't mean to upset you, but you didn't answer at all - what in tunr upset me. 11:23 < esden> fake: sorry ... I did not mean it ... I was deep in fixing some problems in alpha port ... that is why I oversaw your posting 11:23 < esden> yes ... twice 11:24 < fake> esden: i would just have appreciated any answer to my mail / chris hamilton's mail. 11:26 < esden> I had nothing to say about it ... I probabbly had to answer that I think that is a good idea to create a paypal account ... but I did not ... sorry for that 11:26 < fake> esden: no problem 11:27 < fake> that was the answer i wanted to achieve with my initial question. 11:28 < esden> so you should have ask it directly ;-) in the form ... "Why have you not took a statement to the mails of chris and me about the paypal stuff?" or so 11:30 < fake> esden: the question was: why did you not say anything anymore 11:33 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB41A04.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 11:34 < esden> hmm ... ok I thought that it was related with the irc not the mails 11:40 * huebi getting something to eat... 11:41 < blindcoder> aah damnit... I should have cleaned up my room instead of working on the build-cd... *argh* now it's too late >_< 12:08 < huebi> re 12:10 < huebi> [anders]: are you listening? 12:12 < th> re 12:13 < huebi> hi th 12:13 < th> flash entfernen also 12:13 < th> also aufmachen 12:13 < huebi> th: jo 12:14 < huebi> oder jumpern oder ALT-h beim einschalten wenn _keine_ Konsole mit sun banner auftaucht. 12:15 < th> da kommt aber ne konsole 12:15 < th> und alt-h tut nichts. 12:15 < th> bzw. verhindert das booten 12:15 < esden> cu all 12:15 * th tries not to hurt his krups. 12:15 < huebi> th: alt h vrom Einschalten druecken. 12:16 < th> hab ich doch 12:16 < huebi> ok 12:16 < huebi> ALR-d 12:16 < huebi> ALT-d 12:16 < huebi> ? 12:16 < th> ATM the krups is open 12:17 < huebi> ok. den kleinen RAM Riegel ausbauen. 12:17 < th> genau dieses schmale ding 12:17 < huebi> jo 12:18 < th> hmm hier is der speaker... koennte den glatt mal versuchen abzuklemmen 12:18 < huebi> jo 12:18 < th> btw. no killerbug inside 12:19 < th> ;-( 12:19 < huebi> ;-) 12:19 < SMP> huebi: are rock-1.5 sparc pkgs available via ella? 12:19 < huebi> SMP: jo ;-) 12:19 < huebi> ssh root@rock 12:20 < huebi> but it is still building 12:20 < th> ok... booting 12:20 < SMP> 99 BogoMIPS SPARC Power 12:20 < huebi> less /rock-orig/build.out ;-) 12:20 < SMP> ;)) 12:20 < huebi> SMP: Yes! 12:21 < SMP> Cpu0Bogo : 591.46 12:21 < SMP> hmm 12:21 < SMP> this one has a litte more ;) 12:21 < huebi> a P100 should be much slower than the MicroSparcIIep 100MHz 12:22 < huebi> Detected 1526.552 MHz processor. 12:22 < huebi> Console: colour VGA+ 132x60 12:22 < huebi> Calibrating delay loop... 3047.42 BogoMIPS 12:23 < huebi> 2 of them... 12:23 * huebi wondering what a Power4 will say... 12:23 < SMP> hey, the Krups has _four_ times the BogoMIPS of my 486-33 ;> 12:24 < huebi> SMP: Yes, and thats why they are sooo koool ;-)) 12:25 < th> ok ALT-d now shows some tests 12:25 < th> and it's trying tftp :-) 12:25 < huebi> th great! What firmware version do you have? 12:26 < th> grmpf 12:26 < huebi> th: look at world:/tmp/tftpboot.tar.bz2 12:26 < SMP> and at ella:~stefanp/root.tar.bz2 and dev.tar 12:27 < SMP> I'm also using: 12:27 < th> ella? 12:27 < SMP> th: rocklinux.dyndns.org 12:27 < th> ahh ok i remember 12:27 < SMP> sbin/init -> ../bin/bash 12:28 < th> /home/stefanp: Permission denied. 12:28 < huebi> use /var/tmp ;-) 12:29 < th> drwxrwxrwt 2 root root 4096 Mar 15 12:29 vi.recover 12:29 < th> ;> 12:29 < SMP> fixed. 12:30 * SMP Build-Pkg'ing some packages on rock 12:30 < th> dev.tar gets smaller when bzipped? 12:30 < SMP> dunno 12:30 < SMP> I used scp -C ;) 12:30 < th> ok 12:31 < SMP> at first I thought I could use devfs, that's why dev/ is not included in root.tar.bz2 12:31 < th> ok. the krups does not boot with ppcbootloader i have in my /tftpboot dir ;) 12:31 -!- rxr_ [~rene@port-213-20-128-147.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux 12:32 < th> 1.3 Kb von ella 12:33 < huebi> th 1.3 kb/s ? 12:33 < th> ack 12:33 < th> proll.krups.ID15 is that the bootloader? 12:33 < huebi> th ACK 12:34 < huebi> average is 20 kBit/s 12:37 < th> HEY! THAT'S TUX 12:37 * th is thrilled. 12:37 < SMP> and even with a Sun! 12:37 < th> ack 12:38 < th> ok now i have to wait for root.tar.bz2 at 1.3Kb 12:38 < th> 12% 12:38 < th> ETA 50 minutes 12:38 < SMP> o/~ we have joy, we have fun, we have linux on our sun o/~ 12:38 < SMP> th: uhm 12:38 -!- rxr [~rene@port-212-202-170-33.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12:38 < SMP> th: if I'd copy it to world - would that make it go faster? 12:38 < th> SMP: i think so 12:39 < th> huebi: seems to be silent now. must've been the speaker 12:39 < SMP> th: done. in ~stefanp again 12:41 < th> SMP: ok thanks. 12:41 < th> ETA is at 3 minutes now 12:41 * huebi on the phone 12:41 < SMP> took me 5 to get them from ella.. hmm 12:41 < fake> LOL @SMP's Song ;) 12:41 * fake wants a Krupss too 12:43 < th> krups tries to mount /tftpboot/192.168.1.77 does it succeed by symlinking? nfs does follow symlinks? 12:43 < th> lrwxrwxrwx 1 th borg 17 Jun 26 12:28 192.168.100.11 -> /var/nfsroot/java 12:43 < holyolli> th: depends on your /etc/exports 12:43 < holyolli> (afaik) 12:43 < th> *confused* 12:43 < holyolli> hm 12:44 < holyolli> but "man exports" doesn't say anything useful for this =) 12:45 < huebi> fake: 85 EUR, 32MB RAM, 8MB Flash!, with keyboard, mouse and powersupply 12:45 < huebi> th: exportfs -v ? 12:45 < huebi> root@ella:~# cat /etc/exports 12:45 < huebi> #/home/huebi/rock-orig 192.168.100.2(rw,no_root_squash) 12:45 < huebi> /home 192.168.100.0/24(rw,no_root_squash) 12:45 < huebi> /home/rock-orig 192.168.100.0/24(rw,no_root_squash) 12:45 < huebi> /var/nfsroot/java 192.168.100.11(rw,no_root_squash) 12:45 < huebi> 12:46 < huebi> fake: You can also pay in mate ;-))) 12:47 < fake> and no Flatscreen? ;) 12:47 < th> harr harr 12:47 < SMP> Flat_what_? 12:47 < SMP> ;> 12:48 < huebi> fake: The flatscreen need about 10KW an is installed at "Platz der Republik, FFM" ;->> 12:49 < fake> SMP: A rather thin UI Elmenent, built with liquid crystal modifing the polarisation of light. 12:49 < huebi> fake: Krups should do, but not veryfied, 1280x1034 12:49 < th> Jun 26 12:48:16 delta mountd[102]: /opt/krups/rootfs has been mounted by 192.168.1.77 12:50 < huebi> fake: Are you interested in the Krups? 12:50 < fake> huebi: yes 12:50 < th> no /etc i nrootfs 12:50 < huebi> Flatscreen size is about 4mx4m hehe. 12:50 < fake> huebi: i know ;P 12:50 < th> s,i n,in , 12:51 < SMP> th: sbin/init -> ../bin/bash 12:51 < th> ahh ok 12:51 < fake> huebi: but i'll have to wait until friday (pay-day ;) 12:51 < SMP> th: I'm just packaging a minimal 1.5 for sparc.. 12:52 * SMP going to build a kernel on the JS then :-O 12:52 < huebi> fake: Do you want to have it on friday? 12:53 < huebi> SMP: you can cross compile it on rock or fels 12:53 < huebi> th you, too 12:53 < SMP> yes I was thinking about that right now.. 12:53 < fake> huebi: yes... 12:53 < SMP> what's fels? 12:53 < huebi> SMP: ULTRA 5, 640MB 12:54 < fake> SMP: upload it somwhere :D 12:54 < SMP> aiee 12:54 < SMP> huebi: do you have _any_ machine that's _not_ running a ROCK build? ;) 12:55 < fake> huebi should install mrtg... then you'd find out quickly ;) 12:55 < huebi> SMP: The Netra X1, 500MHz, not in the net atm, 12:55 < huebi> mom 12:56 < th> hmmm. how can i mount -o remount,rw / if i have no writable /etc/mtab?? 12:56 < SMP> mount -n 12:56 < th> is there a mount option ignoring mtab? 12:56 < huebi> I stop the build on fels 12:56 < fake> -n 12:56 < th> ok thanks 12:56 < SMP> huebi: no no! 12:56 < huebi> why? 12:56 < th> manpages are great 12:56 < th> irc is faster ;) 12:56 < SMP> huebi: I'm fine with it ;) 12:57 < huebi> The builds are running with make -j8 so just use 'nice -n -19 make blahh' 12:59 < th> what's my root-device? 12:59 < SMP> /dev/nfs 12:59 < SMP> root@rock:/tmp/stefanp # du -sh tars/ 12:59 < SMP> 47M tars 12:59 < SMP> hmmm 12:59 < th> ls: nfs: No such file or directory 12:59 < [anders]> ~~~ testing things.. back later.. 12:59 -!- [anders] [~guest@imhotep.hursley.ibm.com] has quit ("[x]chat") 13:00 < SMP> th: what are you trying to do? 13:00 < th> SMP: mount -n -o remount,rw / 13:00 < th> SMP: but without /etc/fstab unable to resolve / 13:00 < SMP> aahh 13:00 < huebi> fake: do you know nload? kool thing for instant traffic monitoring. 13:01 < SMP> th: *test* 13:01 < fake> huebi: nope... 13:02 < huebi> https://www.roland-riegel.de/nload/index_en.html 13:02 < th> i could just create a fstab on nfs-server but i still don't know the root's device 13:02 -!- term_emu [~pm@p50819BC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 13:02 < SMP> th: mount -n -o remount,rw opt/krups/rootfs / 13:03 < SMP> s,opt,/opt, 13:03 < term_emu> hi 13:03 < fake> nload is a console application 13:03 < fake> mrtg is a web application.... 13:04 < SMP> huebi: how to cross-compile a sparc kernel in sparc64? 13:04 < SMP> huebi: I don't see a sparc32 tool 13:04 < huebi> privilege Separation works with Kernel 2.2! 13:05 < SMP> huebi: and no sparc-gcc? 13:05 < fake> huebi: how ?? 13:05 < SMP> oh btw. 13:05 * th slaps himself. 13:05 < SMP> shut down your sshd or enable privsep _right_ _now_ 13:05 < SMP> _not_ tomorrw 13:05 < th> SMP: 192.168.1.138:/tftpboot/192.168.1.77 geht natuerlich 13:06 < SMP> ehg ja 13:06 < huebi> SMP: make ARCH=sparc menuconfig; make ARCH=sparc dep; make ARCH=sparc vmlinux; make ARCH=sparc modules. 13:06 < huebi> fake: sshd_config: 13:06 < huebi> Compression no 13:06 < huebi> 13:06 < fake> o_O 13:06 < fake> okay. 13:06 < huebi> only compression does not work. 13:06 < fake> *testing* 13:08 < fake> SMP: btw... the ldconfig error yesterday and hours of printf() debugging showed it's a glibc bug >_< 13:08 < huebi> fake: also a patch is available from solar designer.. 13:08 < fake> huebi: where ?! damn it, i was looking all over yesterday evening... 13:10 < fake> huebi: woo. now i shot it down again. 13:10 * fake back in 10 min 13:11 < huebi> patch is forwarded to the list 13:18 < huebi> SMP: The new OpenSSH will be installed this evening. It's installed on rock and fels ;-)) 13:18 < huebi> But I must be at home to do that. 13:21 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh 13:22 < th> vllt sollte ich langsam mal was essen 13:22 < huebi> th jo 13:24 < th> genial. der gang zur kueche hat sich echt gelohnt. 13:24 < th> da stand ne ganze pfanne voll aufm herd 13:25 < fake> huebi: danke!! 13:25 < huebi> fake: byttoe 13:26 < fake> mmap(65536): Invalid argument 13:26 < fake> *douh* 13:26 < th> da wenn das mal nicht 2^16 is 13:27 < fake> th: hm, lass mich raten, du hasst bc gefragt XP 13:27 < th> fake: verdammt ;) 13:27 < fake> huebi: there still is no compression support, right? 13:27 < huebi> ahh, auf ella laeuft die Megasaugung. Die Teledummies haben die Leitung dicker gemacht ;-) 134 kBit/s 13:27 < huebi> fake: I don't know 13:28 < th> huebi: wie hast du sie denn dazu gekriegt? 13:28 < praenti> huebi: läuft das iso von der 1.5.16? sprich bootfähig? 13:28 < huebi> th: Das haben die wohl von selber gemacht. sonst ging das naemlich nie so schnell. 13:29 < huebi> praenti: jo 13:29 < praenti> huebi: kannst mir auf der schnelle sagen, wo ich des runterladen kann? soll aber ne dicke anbindung sein 13:29 < fake> huebi: das kostet jetzt dafuer 200% mehr. 13:29 < th> praenti: mompl 13:29 < fake> du haettest innerhalb von 3 sekunden keundigen koennen. 13:30 < th> praenti: ich geb dir mal nen inoffiziellen link 13:30 < praenti> th: mach ;-) 13:32 < huebi> fake: *g* 13:32 < holyolli> bbl - viewing soccer... ;-) 13:32 < huebi> football holyolli 13:32 < huebi> !! 13:32 < th> praenti: alles klar? 13:32 < holyolli> huebi: i thought football was this stuff from usa...? 13:33 < huebi> praenti: steht in meiner vorletzten mail an die Liste. Habe den Link schon wieder vergessen. 13:33 < praenti> th: merci 13:33 < huebi> holyolli: football is european for Fussball. 13:33 < huebi> soccer is for Cowboys 13:33 < th> huebi: unser hidden-https spart world's traffic 13:33 < th> praenti: you got 403. 13:33 < huebi> th ah ok ;-)) 13:33 < SMP> fuck.. 13:34 < th> praenti: i'll grant in a second 13:34 < SMP> ahh 13:34 < praenti> th: sag mir wennst soweit bist 13:34 < SMP> AAAARRRRGGGHHHHHHHHHHH 13:34 < th> praenti: retry 13:34 < th> SMP: sup? 13:34 < huebi> SMP: ? *augenbraueheb* 13:35 < SMP> my ssh session was lagging so much that I accidentially recalled a 'make mrprober' instead of the following 'make menuconfig' from the history 13:35 < SMP> so I'll have to re-create .config :-(( 13:35 < huebi> oh shit! 13:36 < SMP> with a lag from hell 13:36 < blindcoder> ahh. hitting the wall with a bare fist is not good... 13:36 < th> praenti: still with me? 13:36 < blindcoder> hutr... bad... 13:37 < fake> huebi: the patch does not work... 13:37 < praenti> th: ok. ich seh was 13:37 < th> praenti: et voila 200 13:38 < th> praenti: dann bedien dich 13:38 < huebi> fake: hmm. writ your experiences to thelist, please. 13:38 < fake> SMP: ssh -C -c blowfish ? 13:39 < SMP> fake: big scp running 13:39 < praenti> th: thx 13:39 < huebi> fake: Does 'Compression no' work? 13:39 < fake> SMP. oh. 13:39 < fake> huebi: yes - with and without the patch. 13:39 < huebi> ok 13:40 < huebi> fake: And please writ your experience to the list to avoid others testing it for nothing. 13:41 < fake> haaaai. 13:41 < huebi> ;-))) 13:42 < huebi> th: Did the noise of Krups came from the speaker? I never heared sth because my room is too load. 13:43 < huebi> btw. if there is no keyboard attached to Krups it'll boot with a console on the serial port. ;-) 13:43 < huebi> brb 13:44 < th> 12:39:15 < th> huebi: seems to be silent now. must've been the speaker 13:44 < th> huebi: as i said 13:46 < SMP> The IPX protocol (CONFIG_IPX) [M/n/y/?] n 13:46 < SMP> Appletalk protocol support (CONFIG_ATALK) [M/n/y/?] n 13:46 < SMP> DECnet Support (CONFIG_DECNET) [M/n/y/?] n 13:46 < SMP> sheesh 13:46 < SMP> sparc has funny defaults 13:46 < fake> AppleTalk o_O ? on sparc?? 13:46 < fake> *headshaking* 13:48 -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has quit (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13:50 < esden> re hi all 13:51 < fake> re. 13:52 < th> SMP: wodurch ist / rw gemounted? 13:52 < SMP> mount -n -o remount,rw $nfsserver:$nfspath / 13:53 < th> SMP: das ist schon klar. aber wer tut das? 13:53 < th> SMP: die bash ja nicht von alleine 13:53 < SMP> ehm 13:53 < th> SMP: ich dachte ro waere erstmal der standard 13:53 < SMP> du hast da ein redhat 5.2 13:53 < SMP> mit ner bash 1.x 13:53 < SMP> das ist nicht ernst gemeint ;> 13:54 < th> *schauder* 13:54 < SMP> in ein paar minuten sind die rock-1.5 packages bei mir 13:54 * fake updating Apache - wenn ich schonmal dabei bin 13:54 < fake> th: initrd? 13:54 < SMP> dann koennen wir richtige root-trees entpacken 13:54 < fake> nein 13:54 < th> fake: init=bash 13:54 < fake> oh. 13:54 < fake> th: nagic! 13:54 < fake> magic. 13:55 < SMP> th: you can always write an /etc/inittab and some init scripts ;) 13:55 < SMP> or just wait a few minutes .. 13:55 < th> SMP: /sbin/init links to /etc/rc.d/init which just execs bash ;) 13:55 < huebi> re 13:55 < th> proll.krups.ID15 seems to mount nfsroot rw 13:55 < th> 13:44:27 < th> 12:39:15 < th> huebi: seems to be silent now. must've been the speaker 13:55 < th> 13:44:41 < th> huebi: as i said 13:55 < SMP> no, the kernel does it 13:56 < th> SMP: is it possible to append read-only? 13:56 < SMP> read-write you mean 13:56 < th> no 13:57 < th> i want / to be ro 13:57 < SMP> aah 13:57 < th> until some init scripts do remount,rw 13:57 < SMP> in /etc/fstab 13:57 < th> who reads /etc/fstab? 13:57 < th> /bin/bash? 13:57 < th> ;) 13:57 < SMP> the init scripts 13:57 < th> init=bash 13:58 < th> and / is mounted rw 13:58 < fake> ln -s /etc/inittab /bin/bash 13:58 < SMP> is it? 13:58 < th> fake: NO 13:58 < fake> ;-) 13:58 < th> SMP: yes it is 13:59 < th> SMP: NO 13:59 < SMP> well then you might just need to pass ro to the kernel :> 13:59 < SMP> *duck* 13:59 < th> SMP: sorry 13:59 < th> SMP: my question was how to do that ;) 13:59 < SMP> RTFM on proll 13:59 < th> SMP: but anyways it was just mtab telling / would br rw 14:00 < th> SMP: where is the fm on proll? 14:00 < SMP> or try to get a prom prompt 14:00 < SMP> in the proll sources, I suppose 14:00 < th> i don't know which key L1 is 14:00 < huebi> th minicom ALT-f 14:00 < SMP> the one without a sign one it 14:00 -!- rolla_ [~Der@stlmaisenhel.ugs.com] has joined #rocklinux 14:01 < th> SMP: i tried all 3 keys without a sign. 14:01 < SMP> but you have to set a jumper for that to worl 14:01 < SMP> work 14:01 < fake> huebi: will you send me the machine? 14:01 < huebi> near the speaker. 14:01 < fake> btw. 14:01 < huebi> one of the both in the middle 14:01 < huebi> fake: if you want it I can do so. 14:02 < th> SMP: ahh ok 14:02 < fake> huebi: send me a mail with you bank account info plz... 14:02 < fake> huebi: i'll then send you the money on friday 14:02 < huebi> fake: ok. later thiis evening 14:02 -!- rolla [~Der@stlmaisenhel.ugs.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14:05 < fake> thanks 14:08 < th> verdammt jetz is hier noch ein daemlicher kommunikation und netze uebungszettel zu erledigen 14:13 < fake> uebungszettel?? 14:14 < th> jo 14:14 < th> so uni-maessig 14:14 < th> um nen schein zu kriegen 14:14 < th> um ein vordiplom zu kriegen 14:15 < th> um weiter studieren zu duerfen 14:15 < th> *brech* 14:15 < fake> axo. gammliger student ;-) 14:15 < SMP> um dann damit nichts anfangen zu koennen ;> 14:15 < huebi> SMP: Download is ready 14:15 < fake> um arbeitslos zu werden. ueberqualifiziert -> zu teuer. 14:15 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 14:16 * fake malt den bsd.teufel an die wand 14:16 < snyke> ah des is gut 14:16 < SMP> yup 14:16 < snyke> *fakeknuddel* 14:16 < snyke> *freebsd-chuck-knuddel* 14:16 * fake kicks snyke 14:16 < huebi> jaja, dies sozialpaetagogen.... *g* 14:16 < snyke> :P 14:16 < fake> *tretÜ 14:16 < snyke> seid froh das ich euch auf die nerven geh 14:17 < snyke> als FreeBSD user ;) 14:17 < snyke> das is eine Ehre! 14:17 < fake> ich bewef dich mit Umlauten bis du butest! 14:17 < snyke> phhh 14:17 < fake> s,bu,blu, 14:17 < snyke> ich dich mit wattebällchen 14:17 < snyke> da werst schaun 14:17 < fake> äääääööööööüüüüüÄÄÄÖÄÄÄÄÖÖÖÜÜÜÜÜ 14:17 < fake> ßß! 14:18 < th> ¤¤¤ 14:18 < th> ¢¢ 14:19 < snyke> sz sz sz :) 14:24 < esden> ¡¡¡¡¡¡¡¡©©©©©©© 14:24 < esden> sind solche sachen auch ok ? 14:24 < snyke> ¯\_/¯\_/ 14:24 < snyke> denk scho 14:24 < snyke> so umgedrehte ausrufezeichen tun ganz schön weg 14:25 < snyke> g->h 14:26 < huebi> ____________________ 14:26 < huebi> < MuuuUUHHAAGRRROOLL > 14:26 < huebi> -------------------- 14:26 < huebi> \ ^__^ 14:26 < huebi> \ (oo)\_______ 14:26 < huebi> (__)\ )\/\ 14:26 < huebi> ||----w | 14:26 < holyolli> *rotfl* 14:26 < huebi> || || 14:26 < huebi> 14:27 < SMP> FUCK IT 14:27 < th> SMP: die mathilda? 14:28 < SMP> I don't want to recompile the whole kernel just to switch from CONFIG_IP_PNP_DHCP to CONFIG_IP_PNP_BOOTP 14:29 < huebi> SMP: Just don't 'make clean' 14:29 < SMP> I didn't! 14:29 < huebi> change your config and just recompile. It should do very fast. 14:30 < SMP> probably I fucked up in an advanced way ;> 14:30 < huebi> make config; make dep; make vmlinux 14:30 < snyke> <-- is a happy penguin 14:30 < snyke> :) 14:38 < fake> SMP: mak mrsmp 14:38 < fake> ;-) 14:46 < esden> huebi: I added the 30 different alpha processors to 1.5 configuration 14:50 < huebi> esden: thank you 14:51 < esden> huebi: de nada ;-) 14:51 < blindcoder> huebi: I think I'm finished with the build-cd already... lost track of time during doing so >_< 14:52 < blindcoder> https://www.crash-override.net/rocklinux/becd.tar.bz2 14:52 < blindcoder> the tarball includes Documentaion/Build-Environment as well as subdists/build-cd 14:52 < huebi> blindcoder: *click* 14:53 < esden> huebi: what is now our strategy ... make the tree up to date so that when you co it it works without running Puzzlu before ... or do we remove everything created by Puzzle so that Puzzlu must be run so that anything works ? 14:54 < huebi> blindcoder: I got it. later more 14:54 < blindcoder> esden: I might need your help on friday 14:54 < esden> blindcoder: ? 14:54 < blindcoder> huebi: okay 14:54 < blindcoder> esden: my parents want me to move most of the hardwaer and telephonesystem down into the "keller" 14:55 < blindcoder> if 3027 can come up with Patchcable and RJ45's then it will be done this weekend 14:55 < esden> celler ... ok ... so you get your server room ? 14:55 < blindcoder> YES! 14:55 < esden> cool !!! 14:55 < huebi> esden: I want to have it all ready to go, I mean error proof. So to update the indexfiles would be a good idea. 14:56 < esden> I think that we will meet there then ... and not in bitz anymore ;-) 14:56 < huebi> blindcoder: kool. I want that, too. But that has to be organised well. 14:56 < esden> @ blindcoder 14:56 < fake> esden: when will you update ssh on apollo? 14:56 < blindcoder> But about 20m cable has to be put inton place and another 20m of cable have to be replaced 14:56 < esden> fake: now ? 14:56 < esden> ;-) 14:56 < fake> i mean: when today will you update ssh on apollo? ;-) 14:57 < blindcoder> huebi: that's why esden and 3027 (friend of us) has to be with me then 14:57 < esden> fake: is that ok ? 14:57 < esden> to update it now ? 14:57 < esden> blindcoder: are you ok with it too ? 14:57 < fake> esden: are you @bitz? 14:57 < blindcoder> esden: go ahead 14:58 < esden> fake: nope 14:58 < fake> fake: let me do it 14:58 * -> esden uni 14:58 < fake> err. esden: let me do it 14:58 < esden> fake: ??? 14:58 < esden> ok ... 14:58 < snyke> lol 14:58 < fake> esden: i've already done it on 5 machines here 14:58 < snyke> hm 14:58 < esden> fake: do it then please 14:58 < blindcoder> esden/fake: do it and mess itnup!! then I have an excuse to escape from my gradnmother's birthday today >_< 14:59 < snyke> esden: will you go to bitz today? :) 14:59 < esden> blindcoder: coool ;-) 14:59 < fake> esden: i can't guarantee that it will work from remote ... 14:59 < fake> i'll try. 14:59 < esden> fake: /me panic !!! 14:59 < fake> if you all get kicked you know what that means ;-)) 14:59 < esden> kk 15:00 < esden> fake: are you bitz ? o_O 15:00 < fake> esden: 3 out of 5 worked perfectly. 15:00 < huebi> fake: no serial console, no backupo line *g* 15:00 < esden> na ... then you would not ask ... 15:00 < fake> esden: are you hallucinating? 15:00 * -> esden stupid 15:00 * fake wanders off screwing everything up. 15:00 < esden> fake: yes ... I got not too much sleep tonight 15:00 < snyke> ... 15:01 < esden> huebi: but if we want all functional then we need the crappy files in the ext-config too ... 15:01 < fake> aw- just a sec. 15:02 < esden> huebi: that are generated by Puzzle 15:04 < huebi> esden: Ok. if something changes _all_ Indexfiles have to be recreated. 15:05 < snyke> hm 15:05 < snyke> esden? 15:05 < esden> huebi: so I would say I make a Puzzle and add all files that are not yet in the tree ... is that ok ? 15:05 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB41A04.ipt.aol.com] has quit () 15:06 < huebi> esden: No. then you would add about 500 files *g* 15:06 < esden> urgh 15:06 < esden> that is good that I asked 15:06 < snyke> ... 15:06 < esden> yes snyke ? 15:06 < snyke> ahhh 15:07 < snyke> took much time! 15:07 < huebi> If the download works fine it's ok. 15:07 < snyke> will you go to bitz today? (punishmeforthatsentence) 15:07 < esden> good then @ huebi I will update only the INDEX files 15:07 < huebi> Puzzle can then by called e.g. by ./scripts/Config. 15:07 < esden> hmm ... 15:08 < esden> urgh .. huebi nooo 15:08 < huebi> ok 15:08 < esden> that takes ages on slower machines 15:08 < esden> my alpha needs already half a minute to run Puzzle 15:08 < blindcoder> a*urks* they're here >_< 15:08 < blindcoder> see you l8ter 15:08 < esden> cu l8ter blindcoder 15:09 < esden> snyke: dunno .. I do not think sa 15:09 < esden> o 15:09 < esden> but I am not sure 15:09 < huebi> Then my next idea is to make a README.FIRST.OR.WONT.HAVE.FUN 15:09 < snyke> esden: "Technikertreffen" ... 15:09 < huebi> +.YOU 15:11 < esden> snyke: na und was will ich da ? 15:11 < snyke> weis ich doch ned *g* 15:11 < esden> siehst du ? 15:11 < esden> ;-) 15:11 < esden> huebi: that is needed too 15:11 < snyke> ;) 15:12 < snyke> wann hast du mal zeit wegen jolt und so? :) 15:13 < huebi> esden: I think Pjotr's Howto would be good if shorted down to the basics for this README.FIRST.OR.YOU.WONT.HAVE.FUN 15:14 < esden> nicht so schnell ich habe bald pruefungen 15:14 < esden> @ snyke 15:14 < snyke> hmmm 15:14 < snyke> ok 15:14 < snyke> me too 15:15 < esden> huebi: yes that is ok ... pjotrs Howto should be called .. README.AND.YOU.WILL.HAVE.MORE.FUN ;-{ 15:15 < esden> ;-) 15:16 < huebi> ACK!! 15:19 -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 15:19 < mike1> re 15:21 < esden> re mike1 15:24 < huebi> ello mike1 15:24 < huebi> ;-) 15:25 < mike1> Brazil gewonnen 15:25 < holyolli> jepp... 15:25 < huebi> jo, I just read it. Nice 15:25 < holyolli> but I really think that they'll play samba with the Germans on Sunday... 15:26 < esden> glibc says: checking installed Linux kernel header files... TOO OLD! 15:26 < esden> why ?? 15:27 * mike1 thinks Deutschland will win 15:27 < esden> holyolli: do you know this error ? 15:27 < huebi> kernel 0.92 IS too old! 15:27 < huebi> *eg* 15:27 < esden> huebi: lol 15:27 < holyolli> esden: not yet 15:27 < mike1> esden: what kernel version ur running? 15:27 < mike1> esden: i've never seen that before 15:27 < esden> root@natalie:/usr/local/data# uname -a 15:27 < esden> Linux natalie 2.4.18-rc4 #4 Fri Jun 21 19:11:25 CEST 2002 alpha unknown 15:27 < esden> root@natalie:/usr/local/data# 15:28 < esden> the headers are the right too 15:28 < mike1> mmm 15:28 < esden> hmm ... it could also be a problem in linux-src pkg ... >_< 15:28 < huebi> esden make symbols ? 15:28 < esden> ??? 15:29 < mike1> it certainly is weird as i said before i havent seen that error message before 15:29 < huebi> cd cd /usr/src/linux 15:29 < huebi> make symbols 15:29 < esden> kk @ huebi 15:29 < huebi> esden: have a look at it in the makefile 15:29 < SMP> daadaaaa 15:29 < SMP> Linux charlotte 2.4.18 #3 Wed Jun 26 14:57:52 MEST 2002 sparc unknown 15:30 < SMP> cpu : Fujitsu MB86904 15:30 < SMP> type : sun4m 15:30 < SMP> BogoMips : 99.53 15:30 < huebi> SMP: Congratulations ;-))))))) 15:30 < SMP> ssh'd into it 15:31 < th> SMP: terrific 15:32 < th> SMP: kernel and base-pkgs available for download? 15:32 < SMP> I'm tar'ing it up 15:36 < holyolli> cya l8ter 15:36 -!- holyolli [~oregehr@rossini.marcant.net] has quit ("fnord!") 15:37 < huebi> SMP: could you please put a copy in my ~ on world, too 15:37 < huebi> ? 15:37 < SMP> jo.. 15:38 < SMP> still building modules.. 15:38 < SMP> ( for ppp support, so you dial out with the serial port ;) ) 15:39 < SMP> s,you,you can, 15:39 < huebi> SMP: With the JavaOS it's possible out of the box. 15:39 < SMP> yeah, I've seen it 15:40 < huebi> but don't plug in the network therefore. 15:40 < SMP> would be nice to have a linux micro-root in flash 15:40 < huebi> SMP: ACK 15:40 < huebi> And there are tools for that avaliable ;-)) 15:41 < SMP> but if that'd work right now .. what fun would it be? ;> 15:41 < SMP> I mean - if things don't need hacking 15:42 < huebi> SMP: Many things are still untested. Like XFree86 4.2.0 on Krups. 15:43 < fake> esden: done. 15:44 < SMP> aaarghhh 15:44 < fake> esden, blindcoder: please consider reconnecting now. 15:45 < huebi> in about 17 min I have to leave towards: 8°16'50"E, 49°58'39" ;-) 15:45 < fake> /bin/echelon/adjust "8°16'50"E, 49°58'39" 15:45 < huebi> IBM Deutschland GmbH, Totalstorage Interoperability Center 15:46 < huebi> The harddisk factory in Mainz. 15:46 < fake> echelon: "IBM Deutschland GmbH, Totalstorage Interoperability Center" 15:46 < fake> he! mein echelon is gut. 15:46 < huebi> fake *LOL* 15:46 < huebi> fake: which gate? 15:46 < fake> huebi: are you gonna rip some defect hds? ;-) 15:47 < fake> huebi: err.... segfault ? 15:49 < huebi> No, just visiting the factory and getting very good and I hope very internal informations. 15:49 < huebi> with about 13 friends from this area here 15:52 < esden> fake: me still here 15:52 < esden> ;-) 15:52 < huebi> btw I exchanged 2 IBM SCA 10Krpms 18GB last evening with 2 of hitachi 15:52 < fake> esden: please reconnect. it's updated. 15:52 < esden> ahh kk 15:53 < esden> re 15:53 < fake> and then i need your help 15:53 < esden> mine ? 15:53 < fake> yes. 15:53 < esden> shoot fake 15:53 < fake> yeah, shoot me! C'MON! 15:53 < esden> i mean shoot me ;-) 15:53 < fake> oh. 15:54 * fake 'll have a cigarette first. 15:54 < esden> kk 15:54 < fake> esden: about apache/php XD 15:54 * -> esden testing the changes in lx_conf he made 15:54 < esden> fake: I will try to do my best 15:55 < esden> huebi: what does "Devlevel Error (2):" followed by tons of files mean ? 15:56 < huebi> esden: I never had that ;( 15:57 < esden> hmm 15:57 < esden> huebi: the headers of the kernel are ok now .. make symlinks helped 15:58 < huebi> *freu* 15:58 < esden> natalie is now compiling glibc ... 15:59 < mike1> go natalie go ;-) 16:00 < huebi> cu latoer. Festplatte ansehen.... 16:02 < esden> mike1: ;-) 16:06 * mike1 away for breakfast 16:07 < esden> bon appetit @ mike1 16:18 < esden> huebi: ??? 16:26 < mike1> esden: 16:26 < mike1> cu latoer. Festplatte ansehen.... 16:33 < esden> mike1: I know ... but I would like to ci in the cvs ... but I do not know what conventions are valid there ... 16:33 < esden> I do not want to provide chaos 16:36 < th> esden: what question? 16:37 < fake> esden? 16:38 < esden> should I commit the stuff I have done in small bit's with comment's on this bit ? or everything in one big chunk with description in one peace ? 16:38 < esden> fake: yes ? 16:38 < esden> fake: could I go smoke one ? 16:38 < fake> esden: following situation. compiling apache 1.3.26. 16:38 < fake> compiling php 4.2.1 s DSO module 16:39 < fake> installing, setting up, modding httpd.conf. 16:39 < fake> test: opening https://foo/test.php in browser. works. 16:39 < fake> opening https://foo/bar/index.php -> works. 16:39 < fake> opening https://foo/bazco/ -> works 16:40 < fake> opening https://foo/bar/ -> MimeType = application/x-httpd-php (mozilla wants to save it) 16:40 < esden> hmm ... 16:40 < fake> and is _did_ set DirectoryIndex correctly. 16:40 < fake> s,is,I, 16:42 < esden> hmm ... I had not such a problem till now ... 16:42 < esden> *think* 16:42 < esden> you have set AddType application/x-httpd-php .php correctly ? 16:44 < mike1> fake: did you try apache 2.0? 16:45 < esden> I run 2.0 at home @ mike1 16:45 < mike1> nice esden :) 16:45 < fake> hm... LAG... 16:45 < mike1> esden: in your personal opinion should be used for production by now? 16:45 < fake> esden: of course i did. 16:46 < blindcoder> rehi 16:46 < mike1> re blindcoder 16:46 < fake> re. blindcoder: did you reconnect (ssh) already? 16:46 < blindcoder> fake: just now, I'm @bitz now 16:46 < blindcoder> fake: you know that telekom disconnects me every few minutes 16:46 < fake> good. there just was a nasty lag and a loop (alter net fft3 - > voyager -> fft3 -> voyager...) 16:47 < fake> blindcoder: from bitz? 16:47 < blindcoder> fake: yes 16:47 < fake> ah. that DSL-thingy 16:48 < blindcoder> yes... that "thingy" 16:48 < esden> hmm ... 16:48 < blindcoder> I think they disconnect edonkey-users 16:48 < th> esden: both ways are ok. but would be good if you do not break anything with a ci 16:49 < esden> th: sure ... I always trying not to ... I had no problems with it till now ... 16:49 < fake> blindcoder: really? i'll have a look at my logfile 16:49 < esden> mike1: I have no problems with this server 16:49 < esden> fake: ... I really do not have a clue how I could help you ... 16:49 < fake> esden: i guess you have no idea, too? 16:50 < fake> i c. 16:50 < blindcoder> fake: yes, because the connection was fine. but it didn't take 5 minutes after starting mldonkey that I got kicked 16:50 < esden> fake: It is a really strange problem 16:50 < fake> blindcoder: mldonkey and pppoed running on the same host? 16:50 < blindcoder> yes 16:50 < fake> *ugh* 16:50 < esden> the mime types are being menaged in a strange way if I see it correctly 16:51 < blindcoder> fake: I know that my network is f**ked 16:51 * -> esden needs nicotine .... 16:51 < blindcoder> fake: I tried changing the port (4662) to somethin completely different (49153) but that didn't do any good >_< 16:51 < mike1> esden: i have been away from 1.7 sources for a while (again) is there a "Creat-CD" script by now? 16:52 < fake> esden: i'd say it converts / -> lookup -> index.php -> oh, add mime type application-xhttpd-php -> (no parsing here) -> output 16:52 < esden> mike1: no ... there are no installdisks ... so no need for the create-cd script 16:52 < fake> blindcoder: you could IPSec the traffic 16:52 < esden> hmm seems so @ fake 16:52 < fake> oder SSH-PtP 16:53 < blindcoder> hmm.. I've never done either one of them... but even if I did, what good would that do? 16:54 < fake> blidcoder: Auntie T couldn't tell what your traffic is all about 16:55 < fake> because they'd only get encrypted pkgs. 16:55 < blindcoder> fake: the internal, yes. but it would still be accessible the "normal" way from the outside, say telnet scavenger.homeip.net:4662 16:55 < fake> blindcoder: no. 16:55 < blindcoder> no? 16:56 < fake> [scavenger]=====(--evilT--)==={trusted_host}mldonkey<---- 16:56 < mike1> fake nice 16:57 < blindcoder> hmm... you have a HowTo or similar available? I don't get it right now... at least not how it has to be done... 16:57 < blindcoder> do I have to create a ssh-tunnel to EVERY donkey-server out there? 16:57 < blindcoder> ~10k in my list? 16:57 < fake> blindcoder watch out for a pic at www.freeswan.org 16:57 < fake> blindocer.no. 16:57 < fake> mom. 16:57 < fake> [scavenger]=====(--evilT--)==={trusted_host}YOURmldonkey-PORT<---- 16:58 < fake> so trustedhost:YOURMLDONKEYPORT would go to your machine (forwarded,say) 16:58 < blindcoder> yes... 16:58 < fake> it's like: you wire a direct cable from one machine to another. 16:58 < fake> you run the mldonkey machine on the inner one and simply pipe everything through the oter one. 16:59 < blindcoder> mom... I just don't get it... evilT has nothin to do with my network... 16:59 < fake> whatever is between this inner and outer machine (Telekom) has no idea what you are talking about. 16:59 < blindcoder> please explain for the most stupid one you can imagine 17:00 < blindcoder> then the pther one would have to open the tunnel, or what? 17:00 < blindcoder> I'm plain stupid, you know... 17:00 < fake> [Scav] -- [DSLModem] ===={T}====(ARPA)=====[your_beloved_machine] --- ? 17:00 < blindcoder> yes 17:00 < fake> left end ---------------------------------------- right end 17:00 < fake> ^---- tunel 17:00 < blindcoder> okay 17:00 < fake> <<<---- mldonkey packets 17:01 < fake> <<<<-- =)(§/%DHLNXF 17:01 < fake> <<<----------- still 4398salasmfb,"Z%)S 17:01 < fake> <<----- mldonkey packet 17:01 < blindcoder> yes i see what it does 17:01 < fake> -->> answer 17:01 < fake> and so forth 17:01 < blindcoder> so the tunnel has to be created to EVERY other machine I connect to 17:02 < fake> *ARGHL* 17:02 * -> esden needs a progress indicator for glibc compile 17:02 < blindcoder> that means "no" 17:02 < fake> blindcoder: exactly. let's magnify the right end: 17:02 < fake> 17:02 < fake> 17:02 < fake> [right end ] ------- + ------------somehost 17:02 < fake> | 17:02 < blindcoder> just WHAT is the right end? 17:02 < blindcoder> the left one is MY MACHINE 17:03 < blindcoder> so the RIGHT ONE has to be some stupid guy I want to leech from 17:03 < fake> blindcoder: a host. on the internet. in a trusted network. simply ONE machine 17:03 < fake> NOOOOO >_> 17:03 < blindcoder> apollo? 17:03 < fake> for example! 17:03 < blindcoder> so apollo then connects to the poor guys and forwards the files to me 17:04 < fake> blindcoder: the packets, if you want tp 17:04 < fake> even 17:04 < blindcoder> I only connect to apollo and apollo to the rest of the donkeys 17:04 < fake> yes! 17:04 < blindcoder> okay... now i got it... 17:05 < fake> so becuase auntie T can only listen between you and apollo - you're out! 17:06 < fake> they can however mesaure the amount/size of packages etc. 17:06 < blindcoder> sure 17:09 < fake> esden: it works in IE (*urk*) and w3m. i'll bug mozilla. 17:10 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has joined #rocklinux 17:10 < tomik> hi 17:11 < esden> fake: then it is a mozilla problem not of your apach/php setup ... I suppose 17:11 < esden> hi tomik 17:11 < fake> it's strange anyways---- 17:11 * -> esden committed the alpha stuff to the cvs 17:12 < esden> fake: that for sure ! 17:12 * blindcoder is going to play bzflag on his nfs-workstation ;) 17:12 < esden> ahh glibc is now generating the localisations ... good 17:13 < esden> ahh it is now installing ... good !! 17:15 < mike1> esden: are you and praenti still planning to come over to CR? 17:16 < esden> mike1: no sorry 17:16 < mike1> esden: itz ok 17:17 -!- kaerF [freak@pD95302A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:18 -!- kaerF [freak@pD95302A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17:18 < esden> hi Freak 17:18 < esden> huh ? 17:18 < tomik> strange thing again... while booting rock on compaq deskpro 4000 (with ppro@200) system reboots after "blocks: 128 slots per queue, batch=32" 17:18 < tomik> what the is this? 17:20 -!- kaerF [freak@pD95302A2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:20 * -> esden no idea ... (kernel ?) 17:20 < tomik> probably... but kernel is large :) 17:20 -!- Freak [freak@pD9E39925.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Killed (NickServ (Ghost: kaerF!freak@pD95302A2.dip.t-dialin.net))) 17:20 -!- kaerF is now known as Freak 17:21 < esden> hi Freak 17:21 < esden> tomik: that for sure ... 17:22 < Freak> huhu esden 17:22 < tomik> no way how to determine what's wrong... 17:22 < esden> tomik: read the f**** binary ;-) 17:23 < h0h0> RTFB 17:23 < esden> hi h0h0 ... long time no see ! 17:23 < esden> or better read ;-) 17:23 < h0h0> been in south dakota for a while 17:24 < mike1> hello h0h0 17:24 < esden> h0h0: what were you doing in dakota ? 17:24 < h0h0> see the big rock with faces on it 17:24 < esden> h0h0: and ? 17:25 < h0h0> drive around 17:26 < tomik> later... cu 17:26 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has quit ("Client Exiting") 17:26 < h0h0> anyone know how far the openssh vuln goes back? 17:28 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD95228DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 17:35 (Users #rocklinux) 17:35 [ aszlig ] [ coldie] [ h0h0 ] [ praenti] [ SMP ] 17:35 [ Babyface ] [ esden ] [ hackbard] [ rolla_ ] [ snyke ] 17:35 [ blindcoder] [ fake ] [ huebi ] [ rxr_ ] [ term_aweh] 17:35 [ bluefire ] [ Freak ] [ mike1 ] [ simon ] [ th ] 17:35 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 20 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 20 normal] 17:41 < blindcoder> aah I love bzflag :D 17:41 < snyke> hm 17:41 < snyke> can anybody tell me what max-nicklength is in OPN? 17:42 < snyke> grml *test* 17:42 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux () 17:42 * fake drives home 17:43 -!- th_ [th@rocklinux.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:43 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 17:43 -!- th_ is now known as th________ 17:43 < fake> hi th_:-- 17:43 < fake> *G* 17:43 -!- th________ is now known as th______________ 17:43 < bluefire> Moin 17:43 < snyke> 16 17:43 < snyke> *counts* 17:43 < snyke> [17:47] *** snyke is now known as maxlicknetestbec 17:43 < fake> th______________ : shift it a bit.. _________th_________ 17:44 < snyke> lol 17:44 < fake> 16 17:44 -!- th______________ is now known as th34567890abcdef 17:45 -!- th34567890abcdef [th@rocklinux.de] has quit (Client Quit) 17:45 < fake> hehe. 17:45 < fake> cya later. 17:45 < snyke> ok thx 17:45 < snyke> max bans? *g* 17:46 < snyke> ah i leave default 17:46 < snyke> äöh 17:46 < snyke> let 17:46 < th> snyke: we could test the maximum kick-message if you want 17:46 < snyke> ah no... thats ok :) 17:47 < snyke> don't want to know soooo much details :) 17:47 < th> ;> 17:47 < th> any latex gurus in here? 17:48 < snyke> hm 17:48 < snyke> allowing e/I modes? 17:48 < snyke> does. 17:54 < esden> perfect glibc compiled through 17:55 < mike1> esden: great, congratz to natalie ;) 17:55 < esden> hehe ;-) 17:55 < esden> sche is very happy that she could swollow such a big packet ;-) 17:57 < praenti> esden: wo liegt die gentoo cd? 17:58 < esden> hmm ... bist im bitz ? 17:58 < praenti> jepp 17:58 < praenti> aber net lang 17:58 < esden> sie sollte neben dem radio liegen 17:59 < praenti> wo neben dem radio? in den fächern? 17:59 < esden> nee ich habe die auf dem tisch leigen lassen wenn ich mich recht entsinne 18:00 < esden> aber vielleicht hat es jemand verlegt 18:00 < esden> die war nicht beschriftet 18:00 < esden> natalie needed 2 hours for glibc ... 18:00 < esden> ok ... I will go home 18:00 < esden> cu all 18:02 < praenti> die is net da 18:02 < praenti> ;-( 18:02 * praenti else goes home 18:02 < praenti> cya 18:02 < snyke> yeah 18:02 < snyke> works 18:02 < snyke> *jump* 18:09 < rolla_> help . My compile is jsut sending chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory 18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory 18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory 18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory 18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory 18:09 < rolla_> chroot: cannot execute bin/sh: No such file or directory 18:09 -!- rolla_ is now known as rolla 18:16 < fake> rolla: try doing it manually 18:16 < fake> cd build/*/root 18:16 < fake> chroot . 18:16 < rolla> okay I will 18:17 < rolla> oh great another openssh hole :( 18:18 < fake> if ((strncmp(name, "lib", 3) == 0 || strncmp(name, "ld-", 3) == 0) && name[strlen(name)-1] != '~' && (cp = strstr(name, ".so"))) 18:18 < fake> this is where ldconfig crashes. yoohoo. 18:19 < fake> sounds like glibc. 18:19 < rolla> :) 18:19 < rolla> I have updated the snapshot and started the build over again :) 18:23 < fake> *uargh* this sucks. 18:24 < fake> they do strncmp(name, "lib", 3); and expect it to be zero... for lib at the start of the string. 18:24 < fake> there _is_ lib at the start of the string - strncmp returns -62... -56... -5 .... 18:24 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB4CC48.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 18:35 < fake> btw - why don't we use the ldconfig from glibc? 18:35 < fake> that seems to work... 18:38 < fake> hehe. google search: Krupps + sun + linux first three hits? rock ;-) 18:38 < th> nice 18:38 < th> SMP: noch da? 18:44 < SMP> I fell asleep 18:44 < th> oups 18:44 < th> as i did some hours ago 18:46 < th> SMP: anything new about base-pkgs? 18:47 < SMP> I need to: install kernel-headers, modules and kernel.conf 18:47 < SMP> remember what stuff I wanted to write into the TODO 18:48 < th> SMP: but the base-pkgs are ready? i would like to have ssh and stuff 18:48 < th> SMP: gettys init 18:48 < SMP> yeah, that works prolly fine 18:49 < th> great. could you put either a new rootfs somewhere or the basepkgs? 18:49 < SMP> yes, when I'm done with -see above- ;) 18:49 < th> hmpf - ok. 18:49 < SMP> 10 Minutes 18:50 < th> well - ok ;) great 19:07 < mike1> huebi: you here? 19:16 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB4CC48.ipt.aol.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:18 -!- the][owl [~mail-spam@B5076.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:18 < the][owl> hi 19:19 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB72D18.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 19:19 -!- the][owl is now known as owl 19:23 < SMP> *huh* 19:23 < th> ack 19:24 < SMP> I installed 47MBytes of tar.bz2 packages, tar them up all together and get one 202MBytes tar.bz2 19:25 < SMP> ah 19:25 < SMP> root.tar.bz2: GNU tar archive 19:35 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5076.pppool.de] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19:36 < SMP> ok.. 19:38 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has left #rocklinux () 19:38 < SMP> th: world:~stefanp/root.tar.bz2 19:39 < SMP> huebi: world:~stefanp/root.tar.bz2 19:41 < blindcoder> re hi 19:42 < fake> blindcoder: re. 19:45 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5596.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 19:45 < owl> re 19:47 < blindcoder> hmm the Build-CD still doesn't work >_< 19:47 < blindcoder> the terminfo-link isn't there >_< 19:53 -!- lizard [~andrea@p50809D61.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 19:58 < th> SMP: thanks i'm on it 20:00 -!- SMP changed the topic of #rocklinux to: ROCK Linux / https://www.rocklinux.org/ 20:09 < fake> du bist schizophren, du bist krank im kopf und ich kann es sehn.. 20:09 < owl> yeah! 20:10 * owl is krank im kopf! 20:14 < rolla> at what stage does the build do a chroot ? 20:15 < fake> rolla: 2 20:16 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@pD95228DC.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("leaving") 20:16 < rolla> thanks 20:18 < fake> SMP: al gdb: GDB is unable to find the start of the function at 0x4201c4. 20:18 < SMP> hm? 20:19 < fake> weil du gestern meintest ich soll mit gdb debuggen. 20:19 < fake> wenn strncmp oder memcmp segfaulted dann heisst das glibc, hm? 20:20 < SMP> ah, ja 20:21 * fake checkt mal ob der code ueberhaupt auf ia32 funzt >_< 20:30 < esden> re hi all 20:31 * SMP -> bed 20:31 < esden> n8 SMP 20:32 < rolla> I just enterd stage 2 of the compile and not it says that I do not have gcc3 20:33 < fake> *LOL* 20:33 < fake> Speicherzugriffsfehler 20:33 < fake> on intel too.... *LOL* 20:33 < rolla> not funny :( 20:33 < rolla> ./scripts/Build-Pkg: c++: command not found 20:33 < rolla> WARNING: No gcc3 (CXX) found! So no special optimisation is used. 20:33 < rolla> Reading package configuration from pkg dir. 20:33 < rolla> Preparing build in /R.work/src.binutils.1025098722.29446.1038958218 20:33 < rolla> Building. Writing output to $root/var/adm/logs/2-binutils.out 20:39 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux 20:39 < snyke> re 20:44 -!- tsa [~tsa@pD9525EEA.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 20:44 < tsa> tag 20:48 < snyke> servus 20:48 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB72D18.ipt.aol.com] has quit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20:48 -!- WKaibigan2 [~Aloicious@ACBA12DE.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux 20:52 < fake> hm... can _anybody_ tell me why we don't use the ldconfig provided by glibc? 20:52 < fake> that one _works_ 20:58 < fake> except it's /usr/sbin not /sbin 20:58 < fake> but what do I care 21:08 < tsa> GRRRR! 21:08 < tsa> damn openssh. 21:08 < rolla> ja 21:09 * tsa just killed the sshd on a RH box. 21:09 < tsa> rpm sucks. 21:09 < tsa> no problems at all upgrading to 3.4p1 on rock. 21:12 < fake> tsa: now GUESS how much fun i had at work - SuSE 6.4 21:13 < snyke> hm 21:16 < esden> argh ... fsck autoconf.h ... I hope that it is not working only because of my stupidity ... otherwise I will have to start hate the linux-kernel >_< 21:25 < tsa> fake: RH 6.2 - updated and updated and updated and ... 21:33 < WKaibigan2> What would cause sshd to reject passwords after updated to 3.4? Any ideas? 21:33 < h0h0> if you changed your /etc/ssh/sshd_config 21:33 < tsa> did you create the chroot environment? 21:34 < WKaibigan2> It did start using the config file that came with the new version. No chrooting done. 21:35 < tsa> create the chroot, then. 21:36 < WKaibigan2> SOrry I don't understand what I would have to do. New to all this. 21:37 < tsa> erm... 21:37 < tsa> README.privsep 21:38 < WKaibigan2> Ok cheers 21:38 < fake> kampai! 21:40 < WKaibigan2> Is there anywhere in the UK where I can get the Rock CDs 21:42 < tsa> ftp://194.47.210.193/ 21:42 -!- martin_ [~martin@pD9E7B66C.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 21:45 < WKaibigan2> Too big for a 56K modem user. 21:49 < tsa> hm.. 21:50 -!- [anders] [~guest@62.3.122.161] has joined #rocklinux 21:50 < [anders]> ooookay... openssh 3.4p1 being built and installed now.. 21:51 < tsa> Connected to 0. 21:51 < tsa> Escape character is '^]'. 21:51 < tsa> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_3.4p1 21:51 < tsa> ;-) 21:51 < [anders]> tsa: :-) 22:00 -!- simon-- [~simon@pD9E1D713.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:05 < [anders]> # telnet localhost 22 22:05 < [anders]> Trying 127.0.0.1... 22:05 < [anders]> Connected to localhost. 22:05 < [anders]> Escape character is '^]'. 22:05 < [anders]> SSH-2.0-OpenSSH_3.4p1 22:06 < tsa> ;-) 22:07 < tsa> hm...interesting 22:08 < tsa> why does my sshd say "SSH-1.99"? 22:08 < tsa> yours "SSH-2.0" 22:08 < [anders]> I don't allow SSH1 protocol at all.. 22:08 < tsa> ah, i see. 22:09 < tsa> missed that one in my sshd_config.. 22:09 < [anders]> :) 22:09 < tsa> changed. 22:09 < [anders]> Now I feel slightly less paranoid.. 22:09 < tsa> hehe 22:10 < [anders]> I have the priv-sep code enabled, so I guess I will not get any compression.. 22:10 < [anders]> But then again, ROCK isn't using PAM so... 22:10 < tsa> hm.. 22:10 < tsa> which kernel do you use? 22:10 < tsa> privsep and compression should both work with 2.4.x kernels 22:10 < [anders]> 2.4.18 with crypto api 22:11 < tsa> ah. 22:11 < tsa> should be working, then. 22:11 < [anders]> Aahh.. that's good news.. 22:11 < [anders]> :) Makes me feel even better.. 22:11 < tsa> hehe 22:11 < [anders]> So good I'll have to go away for a little while.. ;-) 22:11 < tsa> hehe 22:11 < tsa> cu [anders] 22:14 -!- simon [~simon@p50874EFB.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Connection timed out) 22:14 -!- simon-- is now known as simon 22:27 < [anders]> aaahh.. feeling MUCH better.. 22:28 -!- tomik [~tomik@193.109.181.247] has joined #rocklinux 22:28 < tomik> re 22:28 < tomik> still no luck... but problem is in kernel ide setting 22:28 < tomik> i hope :) 22:30 < fake> [anders] sounds like .... *pffffffffffff* 22:31 < fake> (the thing you did while you were away) 22:32 -!- WKaibigan2 [~Aloicious@ACBA12DE.ipt.aol.com] has quit () 22:32 < term_aweh> good night 22:32 -!- term_aweh [~pm@p50819BC1.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("zz") 22:32 < tsa> cu ter 22:32 < tsa> hm.,. 22:36 < [anders]> fake: it made splashing noises... ;-) 22:36 < fake> [anders] like *blubb* ? 22:37 < [anders]> no.. not like things bubbling in water, but like things falling into water... There was some *pffffff* noises as well though.. ;-) 22:37 < [anders]> Ehrm, perhaps we should drop this conversation.. 22:38 < [anders]> Hmm.. huebi around? 22:38 < tsa> dunno 22:38 < [anders]> I found a problem with compiling bash with ncurses support.. 22:38 < [anders]> when you reboot your system doesn't work.. 22:38 < esden> night @ * 22:38 < fake> night esden 22:38 < tsa> cu esden 22:39 < [anders]> so libncurses would have to go into /lib or bash be compiled statically.. 22:39 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50812B62.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:39 < [anders]> night esden 22:39 < fake> [anders]: yeah. i kinda guessed wrong. 22:39 < thalerim> evening 22:39 < tomik> pls where is the .config used for kernel on install-disks ? 22:40 < tsa> hu thalerim 22:40 < thalerim> hi tsa 22:40 < tsa> hi even 22:40 < [anders]> I have to figure out a way to get bash compiled with ncurses though.. I want the 8-bit clean shell.. :) 22:41 < th> tomik: no where 22:41 < tsa> hm.... 22:41 < tsa> ncurses don't belong into /lib .. 22:41 < thalerim> why the hell doesn't 1.5.16 provide the XF86Config ? 22:42 < th> thalerim: because 1.5.16 can't know your graphics-board? 22:42 < thalerim> huh? 22:43 < tsa> XFree86 -configure 22:43 < thalerim> produce one? 22:43 < th> i prefer xf86config 22:43 < th> thalerim: ack 22:43 < thalerim> mh, ok 22:44 < mike1> esden: are you here? 22:44 < thalerim> well, but the xfree86-pkg should contain one (it might do - i didn't check it, but the file wasn't installed - that's the fact 22:45 < th> thalerim: i could imagine a default svga or vga configuration 22:45 < th> thalerim: but who wants such config 22:45 < thalerim> in the source there is a standard file 22:46 < th> ahh ok 22:46 < thalerim> in 1.5.12 it was there that's why i wondered 22:47 < thalerim> of course X complained the missing config file and i didn't know about this -configure option 22:48 < tsa> buahahahaha! 22:48 * tsa reading gentoo's nvidia howto. 22:48 < thalerim> have anyone tried the boot-cd of 1.5.16 ? 22:48 < tsa> "Code listing 6" 22:48 < th> SMP: anything special to do with prol? i get unable to open initial console 22:48 < tsa> $ grep AGP /proc/pci 22:49 < tsa> interesting piece of code. 22:49 < tsa> really worth to get listed.. 22:49 < thalerim> I burned it without bootable extension and i used the one of 1.5.12 - but i used the installation-programm of 1.5.16 22:50 < thalerim> and i looked for a directory 'base-pkgs/', on cd was 'base_pkg/' 22:50 < thalerim> so i had to copy all files from cd to hd 22:50 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has joined #rocklinux 22:50 < thalerim> further the installation-programm expected .tar.bz2-files, on CD were only .tbz2 ones 22:50 < holyolli> hi 22:51 < thalerim> finally the installation was a real cramp 22:51 < th> SMP: well. i though devfs would be enough but with dev.tar it works 22:51 < thalerim> but it works now :-) 22:51 < thalerim> and i looked for a directory 'base-pkgs/', on cd was 'base_pkg/' <- not I looked, but the programm looked 22:52 < thalerim> I think esden is responsible for the programm, isn't he? 22:52 < fake> thalerim since 1.5.14 22:52 < thalerim> seems to lack a bit 22:52 < fake> 1.5.12 is old... 22:53 < thalerim> yeah 22:53 < thalerim> i burned 1.5.16 but forgot to enable the bootable option 22:53 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5596.pppool.de] has quit ("reconnect") 22:53 < thalerim> that's why i had to boot with the CD of 1.5.12 22:53 < thalerim> but i used the installprogramm of 1.5.16 22:54 < thalerim> ESDEN! 22:55 < thalerim> and where is rene? 22:55 < thalerim> GNOME 2.0 is out now !! 22:56 < thalerim> ah and the CVS-script seems not to work properly also 22:56 < thalerim> but I had no time to investigate the error - i just recognized it 22:56 -!- owl [~mail-spam@B5596.pppool.de] has joined #rocklinux 22:57 < owl> re 22:57 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A6C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has quit ("°ShowDowN v12 PrO° since 1996: https://www.sci.fi/~showdown/") 22:57 < thalerim> hi owl 23:05 -!- holyolli [~holyolli@linus.regehr.net] has quit ("X-Chat: its what's for lunch") 23:10 < mike1> see you later 23:10 -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has left #rocklinux ("Client Exiting") 23:18 -!- blindcoder [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit (""To live is like to ove - all reason is against it, but a healthy lifestyle needs it."") 23:37 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50817332.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux 23:48 -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux 23:48 < mike1> re 23:48 < mike1> re 23:48 < mike1> hehe 23:49 < mike1> Anyone could gimme some help some with an sshd issue? 23:49 < thalerim> me unfortunately not 23:50 < mike1> thalerim: mm... ok thanks anyways 23:50 < mike1> [anders]: ? 23:50 < thalerim> mike1: what about just asking your question? 23:50 < mike1> yeah sure 23:51 < mike1> i updated to openSSH 3.4p1 and did exactly the sma e security recommendations that the guys from openssh did 23:51 < mike1> Disabled ChallengeResponseAuthentication in sshd_config. 23:51 < thalerim> reasonable 23:52 < mike1> and also PAMAuthenticationViaKbdInt 23:52 < thalerim> actually you do not need that for 2.4p1, do you? 23:52 < thalerim> 3.4 23:52 < mike1> just followed the guide 23:53 < mike1> anyways i cant loggin my box via ssh now :( 23:53 < thalerim> "At least one major security vulnerability exists in many deployed OpenSSH versions (2.9.9 to 3.3). Please see the ISS advisory, or our own OpenSSH advisory on this topic where simple patches are provided for the pre-authentication problem. Systems running with UsePrivilegeSeparation yes or ChallengeResponseAuthentication no are not affected. " 23:53 < mike1> mmm 23:53 < thalerim> I interprete it as in 3.4p1 the vuln is fixed 23:53 * mike1 feels ashamed 23:53 < thalerim> and <3.4 you have to run with priv separation 23:54 < mike1> thalerim: ur right thanks 23:54 < mike1> ill check my box again 23:54 < thalerim> :-) 23:54 < mike1> in the end you did help me alot :) 23:54 < mike1> thanks 23:54 < thalerim> np 23:59 -!- thalerim [~tobrit@p50812B62.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit ("Ho chresim eidos uch hoch poll eidos sphos") --- Log closed Thu Jun 27 00:00:25 2002