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00:06 < huebi> re
00:06 < huebi> MoeP!
00:07 < tsa> hi huebi
00:07 < tsa> n8 *
00:07 < huebi> n8 tsa 
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00:08 < fake> re huebi!
00:08 < huebi> hi fake 
00:08 < huebi> The visit in the harddisk manufacturing facility of IBM was really kool
00:09 < mike1> hi huebi
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00:11 < fake> huebi: ripped any parts from them? *g
00:15 < mike1> huebi: did you update to openssh 3.4p1?
00:16 < huebi> mike1: I just want to do that now...
00:16 < mike1> huebi: please do let me know it works for you
00:16 < mike1> i did compile and install no problem
00:16 < huebi> fake: They just produce disks and heads. No complete drives.
00:17 < mike1> except it tells me that the sshd user priviled does not exist
00:17 < mike1> funny thing is it does
00:17 < fake> huebi: aww :(
00:17 < mike1> so even if i have sshd running it wont let me loggin
00:17 < mike1> :((
00:17 < fake> huebi: when will you send the krups? whenwhenwhen?? *cantawaitit*
00:18 < huebi> fake: But there is everything you want to have to play with: E15K all sorts of e690, sharks
00:19 < huebi> fake: On friday, but perhaps tomorrow. but that's not sure
00:19 < fake> an E15k at IBM?
00:20 < huebi> fake: exact and ciscos and HP's and Alpha servers and ... You name it...
00:21 < huebi> thick bundles of fibre optics everywhere...
00:23 < fake> huebi: sounds like a nice flat. how much is it monthly? ;-)))
00:24 < mike1> huebi: ok damn output confused me
00:24 < mike1> https://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=102512432905447&w=2
00:25 < mike1> huebi: still you have any idea of why doesnt my sshd allow me to login?
00:25 < huebi> mike1: I have to test it. I'll see that tomorrow..
00:26 < mike1> huebi: ok
00:31 * fake translocates himself into bed
00:31 < fake> *using_stone_of_recall*
00:31 < fake> *WUUUUSH*
00:32 < huebi> fake: n8, schlaf gut ;-))
00:32 < fake> danke ;)
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00:46 < owl> g8
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00:49 < holyolli> re
00:50 < mike1> re holyolli
00:50 < holyolli> hi mike1
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01:18 < huebi> cu
01:18 < huebi> good night
01:19 < mike1> bye huebi
01:47 < mike1> cu
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07:02 < fake> ...
07:02 < fake> moin.
07:04 < fake> und wech...
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07:51 < huebi> moin
07:57 < SMP> jo
07:57 < SMP> hi huebi
08:00 < huebi> moin SMP 
08:01 < huebi> und wech
08:01 < huebi> bis spaeter
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08:39 < igel> moin
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09:26 < [anders]> re
09:30 < [anders]> huebi: u around?
09:41 < huebi> [anders]: jo re MoeP! moin ;-))
09:41 < [anders]> hehehe
09:42 < [anders]> huebi: I had to remove the bit with libncurses from bash yesterday..
09:42 < [anders]> the system would not boot afterwards as libncurses is located in /usr/lib and not in /lib
09:42 < [anders]> so bash is back to being 7bit..
09:42 < huebi> Ah OK.
09:43 < [anders]> here in irssi I can easily do "åäöüç"
09:44 < huebi> [anders]: you are working for the IBM storage division in England, aren't you?
09:44 < [anders]> but those chars in the plain shell doesn't work as well.. :-/
09:44 < [anders]> yeah..
09:44 < [anders]> I work in the build team..
09:44 < huebi> I've been to the Total Storage Interoperability Center in Mainz last evening
09:45 < [anders]> (wo got a nice quad 1.6GHz Xeon box with 2GB RAM and FibreChannel attached disks...)
09:45 < [anders]> huebi: Aaahh... They should know about what we are working on..
09:45 < huebi> build team? - creating new types of huge storage?
09:45 < [anders]> there was talks about one of our guys going over to them
09:46 < [anders]> no, build team sits between dev. team and test tesm. We take code from dev. team, build it and do acceptance testing on it, if we are happy, we release it to test..
09:47 < [anders]> but yes, our division would work on new types of huge storage.. :)
09:47 < huebi> I see.
09:48 < [anders]> !xmodmap .Xmodmap
09:48 < [anders]> erk..
09:48 < huebi> It was very interesting to see, or better what can be seen, the production of the disks inside a harddrive.
09:48 < [anders]> Okay, irssi doesn't xlate ! into 'do this in a shell'
09:49 < huebi>  /exec 
09:49 < huebi> ?
09:49 < [anders]> could be...
09:50 < [anders]> worked.. :)
09:50 < huebi> ;-))
09:50 < [anders]> Aaahh.. I now have some nice keymappings.. :)
09:50 < [anders]> åäö¤ easily accessible..
09:50 < huebi> nice
09:51 < huebi> I'm just testing openssh 3.4p1
09:51 < [anders]> installed it last night at about BST 21:00
09:53 < [anders]> I know it was released after BST 17:00
09:54 < huebi> [anders]: I was too tired for doing it right ;( at 22:30 BST
09:55 < [anders]> huebi: easy to do in ROCK 1.4.. update the openssh.pz, put the archive in pkg-archive, run Puzzle and Build-Pkg.. :)
09:55 < [anders]> Surely it hasn't got harder to do in later releases?
09:58 < huebi> [anders]: SMP made the update to use PrivSep in 3.3 now it's also as easy as in 1.4
09:58 < huebi> but with PrivSep
09:58 < [anders]> huebi: good stuff.. I am getting part delivery today of the kit for my new box, so by next week I should be able to DL snapshots and build them..
09:59 < huebi> [anders]: Sound good ;-)
09:59 < huebi> +s
10:02 < [anders]> Yeah.. Looking forward to getting it up and running. :)
10:04 < huebi> Perhaps I can get an AlphaStation from Ripclaw tomorrow for testing the alpha port. I just need some RAM for it. But that should not be the Problem.
10:06 < [anders]> so what would be the Problem with the Alpha then?
10:08 < huebi> The problem could be to really get it before Ripclaw disappears into the weekend.
10:11 < [anders]> ah
10:11 < [anders]> yes, that could be a problem.. :)
10:12 < huebi> I just updated openssl / openssh. testing...
10:12 < huebi> here on my local box
10:13 < [anders]> openssl? is there a new release of that?
10:13 < SMP> sshd on ella is kinda down? ;)
10:16 < huebi> SMP: jo. I just mentioned, too. And my wife is not at home ;(
10:16 < SMP> ah well
10:16 < SMP> how far is the build on rock through?
10:17 < SMP> hmm EGRAMMAR ;)
10:17 < huebi> SMP: I call here when she is reachable again. She will start sshd when she comes back home
10:19 < huebi> SMP: The whole build needs about 30h on rock. The build should be finished now
10:19 < SMP> good
10:19 < SMP> are you going to publish an ISO?
10:21 < huebi> SMP: yes, of course. And the build of a bootable ISO is just work and not a big problem I suppose
10:22 < [anders]> ho'hum... time to poke around in a RedHat Kickstart flöppy....
10:22 < huebi> [anders]: o_O
10:23 < huebi> [anders]: Perhaps you should better have a very close look at the kickstart config file.
10:24 < [anders]> huebi: Yep.. the kickstart we use here in UK works, the one in US doesn't.. go figure.. ;-)
10:24 < SMP> hmm funny
10:24 < SMP> ssh doesn't work when logged on at /dev/console at the JavaStation
10:25 < huebi> [anders]: Exact the same distribution and KS floppy?
10:25 < SMP> log in at vc/2 or start a screen (-> pty) makes it work
10:25 < huebi> SMP: interesting... 
10:26 < [anders]> huebi: Yeah.. RH72.. I figure they have tampered with the KS floppy..
10:27 < SMP> huebi: do we have a working strace on sparc?
10:27 < huebi> SMP: I think there was a problem. But I'm not shure about it.
10:31 < [anders]> well, if they actually had been using a KS floppy it might have been easier to troubleshoot...
10:33 < SMP> okay..
10:33 < SMP> -rw-r--r--   1 stefanp  users    53595846 Jun 26 19:38 sparc-root.tar.bz2
10:33 < SMP> -rw-r--r--   1 stefanp  users       32774 Jun 27 10:33 sparc-root-update.tar.bz2
10:33 < SMP> these are at world:~stefanp/
10:33 < SMP> it's the nfsroot I use for the Krups
10:34 < huebi> SMP: dankö ;-))
10:34 < SMP> th: get world:~stefanp/sparc-root-update.tar.bz2
10:35 < SMP> huebi: I'll upgrade it to 1.5.16 with the build from rock one the ISO is out
10:36 < SMP> huebi: the current root is ripped from the system currently running on rock ;-}
10:36 < SMP> and when I've upgraded it, there will be XFree I suppose
10:37 < huebi> SMP: kool.
10:37 < huebi> The system on fels should allmost be 1.5.16
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10:38 * SMP wonders how long a build on the Krups would take ;->
10:39 < SMP> I'd say, 1 to 1.5 weeks
10:39 < huebi> 1 week
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10:51 < bluefire> Moin
10:51 < huebi> moin bluefire ;-)
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11:04 < SMP> hmmmm
11:06 < [anders]> figured out why the kickstart flöppy didn't work..
11:06 < [anders]> it wasn't a KS floppy.. :-D
11:08 < SMP> *YESSSS*
11:08 < SMP> /dev/root on / type nfs (rw,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,udp,nolock,addr=80.65.32.162)
11:09 < SMP> nfsroot via NFSv3 plus larger blocks
11:09 < SMP> in dhcpd.conf:
11:09 < SMP> option root-path "/tftpboot/js/charlotte,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192";
11:09 < SMP> übercool
11:14 < huebi> SMP: jo, übercool ;-))
11:15 < huebi> SMP: how did you find that out?
11:15 < huebi> [anders]: *grin*
11:15 < SMP> huebi: reading /usr/src/linux/fs/nfs/nfsroot.c
11:22 < huebi> SMP: How did you did the idea of the larger blocks?
11:24 < SMP> I've been setting rsize and wsize ever since Linux had a half-decent NFS client *shrug* ;)
11:24 < SMP> the problem was only how to pass this to the kernel when netbooting it via PROLL
11:25 < SMP> and for the root-fs. any other mounts can go via fstab
11:26 < huebi> <- now also man dhcpd.conf - I start to understand ;-))
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11:27 < SMP> I did a setup with diskless Linux workstations (that could also boot W2k from local HD) for my school shortly after I left it
11:28 < SMP> I have a litte bit of an idea about netbooting ;-}
11:29 < huebi> SMP: not only a little bit... :-) Now I understood enough to reproduce i. You did a very nice job. :-)))
11:32 < huebi> Thank You.
11:36 < huebi> I had a look at openSSH 3.4p1 for ROCK Linux. The directory /var/empty is missing in the newly build package. I'll have a look at it later at about 16:30 GMT.
11:36 < SMP> that's because /var/empty is in 00-dirtree
11:37 < SMP> it's not specific to sshd
11:37 < SMP> any daemon using privsep can use it
11:37 < SMP> vsftpd e.g. ;)
11:38 < huebi> SMP: Shouldn't it generated vwith /etc/setup.d/50-sshd if it is missing? Better for upgrades, I think.
11:38 < huebi> +be
11:38 < SMP> huebi: /exec grep empty /etc/vsftpd*
11:39 < huebi> Ah. ok
11:39 < SMP> the problem is, the sshd setup script doesn't get invoked for pkg-update
11:41 < huebi> well, I did a pkg-remove and then a pkg-install
11:42 < huebi> Is there a way to invoke the setup script automaticaly?
11:44 < SMP> pkg-install calls the setup scripts with 'update' as the argument
11:44 < huebi> Thank you.
11:44 < SMP> now, looking at the sshd script, we see..
11:45 < SMP> case "$1" in 
11:45 < SMP>  setup) ;;
11:45 < SMP>  [a-z]*) ;;
11:45 < SMP> esac
11:45 < SMP> ehm
11:45 < SMP>  [a-z]*) exit 0 ;;
11:46 < SMP> so one would have to change the script to run when called with 'update'
11:47 * SMP thinking about what tasks would be appropriate to run for the 'update' case
11:50 * SMP rewriting sshd.setup
11:55 < SMP> hmmm
11:56 < SMP> the problem is:
11:57 < SMP> it would be logical to not only create /var/empty if it is missing, but also to create sshd user and group
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11:57 < SMP> but a script running in 'update' mode is not allowed to be interactive
11:57 < huebi> SMP: user and group is still done IIRC
11:57 < thalerim> moin
11:57 < huebi> hi th 
11:57 < thalerim> huebi: is there a bugtracking system for 1.5?
11:57 < huebi> hi thalerim 
11:58 < SMP> so we cannot ask the user if that is ok for him
11:58 < SMP> and if we cannot ask, we must not do it anyway
11:58 < huebi> thalerim: only the mailing list.
11:59 < thalerim> huebi: i assume you run 1.5.16, don't you?
11:59 < SMP> does sshd with privsep On work when /var/empty is missing?
11:59 < huebi> SMP: No, it doesn't
12:00 < huebi> SMP: /etc/init.d/sshd start
12:00 < thalerim> huebi: take a look:
12:00 < huebi> SMP: /var/empty is missing
12:00 < thalerim> $ ls -l /lib/libshadow.*
12:00 < thalerim> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        61200 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.a
12:00 < thalerim> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          673 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.la
12:00 < thalerim> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Jun 26 01:38 /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0
12:00 < huebi> /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0
12:00 < huebi> /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0 <- must be deleted
12:00 < SMP> well that's kinda good in that case
12:01 < thalerim> huebi: ldconfig complains the missing libshadow.so - where must I link to ?
12:03 < SMP> so if we follow the ROCK guidelines, we cannot just do things in the sshd setup script without asking
12:03 < SMP> even if that leaves sshd not working
12:03 < huebi> grep -rl "/lib/libshadow.so" /var/adm/* <- does not find anything on:
12:03 < huebi> ROCK Linux 1.5.13 intel (native, 2002/02/05)
12:03 < SMP> huebi: paths in flists are relative to /
12:03 < SMP> do grep lib/libshadow
12:04 < huebi> SMP: Ack! Can we invoke an interactive script?
12:04 < thalerim> huebi: so the pkg seems to be fu##ed up?
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12:04 < holyolli> moin
12:04 < huebi> thalerim: /var/adm/flists/shadow
12:04 < SMP> huebi: no, we can't. /etc/setup.d/00-general says scripts running 'update' must not be interactive
12:04 < [anders]> re holyolli 
12:04 < holyolli> hi anders
12:05 < thalerim> cannot, am running winblows
12:05 < huebi> hi holyolli, old moose hunter... ;-)
12:05 < holyolli> *fg* hi huebi
12:05 < holyolli> <-- just doesnt find a "old-" expression for huebi ;-)
12:06 < huebi> SMP: hm, Idea!
12:06 < thalerim> huebi: i made use of the shadow-pkg of the 1.5.16 ISO - therefore it could not be my fault :-P
12:07 < holyolli> huebi: btw. my exams are over - so i can work a little bit on rock-alpha the next days :)
12:08 < huebi> thalerim: It's ok. It's not a question whose fault it is, that will never change anything to the better. The question is how to solve it in shadow.conf. ;-))
12:10 < [anders]> how hard would it be to modify ROCK to do the following?
12:10 < thalerim> huebi: and something doesn't work with the pkg-tools (i.e. -install, -update, -remove | the ones calling the /etc/setup.d/* scripts), after installation/update/removing - when the setup-scripts are being invoked - AWK complain some error 
12:10 < [anders]> if executables are installed in /bin or /sbin, /etc is used, if executables are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, /usr/etc is used
12:11 < thalerim> further something like following is displayed "[..] /etc/setup.d/CVS is a directory [...]"
12:11 < huebi> SMP: in update we can tell the admin: "OpenSSH is now f*cked up because of a missing user/group combination. Please run '/etc/setup.d/50-sshd setup' manually"
12:12 < SMP> [anders]: would be relatively easy to do, but it's a stupid idea. /usr/etc is not FHS and besides that a stupid idea on its own
12:12 < [anders]> SMP: I kind of like having /etc as a ramdisk...
12:12 < thalerim> it's easy ???
12:13 < huebi> thalerim: /etc/setup.d/CVS <- this will be removed soon. This is an error I have to solve in the build scripts. I've been hunting many of these "CVS"
12:13 < SMP> huebi: arrrgh
12:13 < [anders]> All the X11 stuff could easily be banished to /usr/etc and then a symlink be created in /etc for that.. As X11 isn't in the / filesystem..
12:13 < huebi> holyolli: Great. I called Ripclaw this morning. perhaps I can manage to get an alpha from him tomorrow.
12:14 < SMP> huebi: just build from a 'cvs export', _not_ a 'cvs checkout' tree!
12:14 < thalerim> huebi: again to libshadow - it seems shadow.tar.bz2 does not contain the libshadow.so... can you investigate the pkg, pls?
12:14 < SMP> thalerim: of course it doesn't
12:14 < SMP> thalerim: ldconfig creates the link
12:15 < holyolli> huebi: i didn't get an answer from rene
12:15 < thalerim> SMP: tell more
12:15 < holyolli> huebi: we were the both who where interessted in the other alpha
12:16 < SMP> huebi: on the sshd setup script.. yes, that could work. keep in mind though, that _all_ setup scripts will be executed when packages are being installed, not just new 'new' ones
12:16 < thalerim> [anders]: /etc/X11 is a hardlink to some dir in /usr/X11R6/
12:16 < SMP> thalerim: man ldconfig
12:16 < thalerim> yoyo
12:16 < [anders]> thalerim: uhm, not on my box it wasn't..
12:17 < huebi> SMP: I want/must/will ever use a "cvs co" tree. Then I can just cvs ci my changes and don't forget them to ci
12:17 < [anders]> some stuff in /etc/X11 was symlinked to elsewhere, but a majority of stuff was dumped straight in there..
12:17 < [anders]> I'd be happy to keep some patches for myself to build ROCK as I would prefer it.. :)
12:18 < [anders]> Got to take a look at 1.6.0 first and see if it is closer to my personal preferences..
12:18 * [anders] doesn'
12:18 * [anders] doesn't really care about FHS for my personal use..
12:18 < huebi> SMP: I messed it up a few times when using a cvs export tree.
12:18 < [anders]> erk..
12:18 < SMP> huebi: you can always use checked out trees for your work, _only_ when you release a tree for a build shall you use export. sorry, that's how cvs is supposed to work
12:19 < SMP> [anders]: explain to me later what you want to do..
12:19 < [anders]> SMP: no problems..
12:19 < SMP> brb breakfast now
12:21 < thalerim> SMP: but the package should contain libshadow.so.0.0.0?
12:22 < huebi> brb. brunch ;-))
12:25 < thalerim> <[anders]> if executables are installed in /bin or /sbin, /etc is used, if executables are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, /usr/etc is used  <-- mostly you can determine a certain etc/ for a programm via --prefix-etc=
12:29 -!- thalerim is now known as thaly|mail
12:29 < [anders]> thalerim: yeah.. the question is if the whole build process can be set up to do this for everything..
12:30 < [anders]> I.e. when a package is built it knows that if executables goes in /usr/{bin,sbin}/ then config-files goes in /usr/etc 
12:30 < [anders]> I am sure that the build-config can be modified to do exactly that..
12:31 < thaly|mail> yes
12:31 < thaly|mail> anywhere ./configure will be invoked with some parameters
12:32 < thaly|mail> what's about finding the place through grepping? :-)
12:32 < [anders]> Well, if all you set with configure is --prefix, you should achieve exactly what I would like..
12:33 < thaly|mail> if you know the exact place, i think it's a variable, you can write a small shellscript doing that job
12:33 < [anders]> I will have a look at ROCK 1.6.0 once I have got my new box at home..
12:33 < [anders]> thaly|mail: Yeah.. I think I know where it is..
12:34 < thaly|mail> 3-4month ago I planned to create a dialog based script to easily define possible configure parameters
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12:36 < [anders]> it's alright.. I'll make a patch for the build process and keep it on my web-page.. (In case someone else decide to do the same..)
12:36 < holyolli> hi esden
12:36 < holyolli> hi rxr
12:36 < thaly|mail> rxr_: did you create a pkg for GNOME 2.0 already?
12:37 < thaly|mail> esden: in 1.5.16 the installprogramm looks for a pkg-dir base-pkgs, on cd was a 'base_pkgs' - also it looked for tar.bz2-files, on CD were .tbz2 ones only 
12:38 < thaly|mail> s,base-pkgs,\'base-pkgs\',1
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12:44 < thaly|mail> hey armijn
12:44 < armijn> hi
12:45 < [anders]> re armijn 
12:45 < thaly|mail> Deutschland is going to become world champion!
12:45 < thaly|mail> ^_ 
12:46 < [anders]> thaly|mail: Don't underestimate Brazil.. 
12:46 < [anders]> Personally I don't really care after Sweden was knocked out.
12:48 < thaly|mail> [anders]: what's your surname? (i know a sweden who's first name is anders, too)
12:48 < armijn> wow...
12:49 < armijn> as far as I recall just a few people in sweden are called "anders"
12:49 < armijn> NOT!
12:49 < armijn> :)
12:50 < thaly|mail> #define NOT !
12:50 < thaly|mail> NOT! == !!
12:50 < thaly|mail> !! == TRUE ??
12:50 -!- thaly|mail is now known as thalerim
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12:52 < thalerim> armijn: why don't you have a "van ..." name?
12:52 < thalerim> :->
12:52 < armijn> because I don't have one
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12:53 < thalerim> that's mean you suck?
12:53 < SMP> re
12:53 -!- rxr [~rene@port-213-20-128-85.reverse.qdsl-home.de] has joined #rocklinux
12:53 < thalerim> just kidding ;)
12:53 < bluefire> re
12:53 < armijn> thalerim: not as bad as your english >:->
12:53 < thalerim> uhm, right
12:53 < SMP> ah, armijn 
12:54 < armijn> heheheh
12:54 < armijn> thalerim: you bitch me, I bitch you
12:54 < armijn> :)
12:54 < armijn> GNOME 2.0...
12:55 < SMP> armijn, how's PARISC moving?
12:55 < armijn> like my bankaccount is reaching EUR 1.000.000 :)
12:56 < armijn> I never got to boot Linux on the PA-RISC machines I had on loan
12:56 < armijn> and now they're back at HP
12:56 < armijn> so, no progress at all.
12:56 < SMP> ewps
12:56 < SMP> a have a Gecko here
12:56 < SMP> with a broken disk
12:56 < thalerim> armijn: but i have to admit, the fact that a lot of people are called "van ..." shows there were a lot of aristocrats in netherland
12:57 < armijn> thalerim: hahah, nice joke :)
12:57 < armijn> Napoleon forced all people to take on a surname
12:57 < thalerim> damn you got the ironical taste
12:58 < armijn> many people decided to use the town they lived in or came from to be their last name
12:58 < armijn> so "van" usually means "from"
12:58 < fake> SMP: PA-RISC Linux is quite far.... but no SMP IIRC
12:58 < thalerim> armijn: in germany only noble men are still called "von <blah>" and 'van' means the same as 'von' so..
12:59 * fake had it running on an N4000... 8 CPUs, 8 GB RAM
12:59 < armijn> thalerim: true
12:59 < fake> van = von = from
12:59 < thalerim> dude :P
12:59 < armijn> thalerim: but that's not what happened here :)
12:59 < fake> Fuerst von Metternich
13:00 < fake> for example XD
13:00 < armijn> is that a beer?
13:00 < [anders]> thalerim: my surname is karlsson.. :)
13:00 < fake> no... err... cheaper champagne?
13:00 < thalerim> [anders]: ok, then i do not know you :-P
13:00 < fake> what do you call that? in german it's "Sekt"
13:01 < thalerim> sparkling wine
13:01 < fake> ah. 
13:01 < armijn> I know what sekt is
13:02 < fake> damn it... i need the cvs version of gcc3.1.1
13:02 -!- Netsplit carter.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: [anders], rolla, praenti, WKaibigan, igel, Freak, Babyface, h0h0, coldie, martin_,  (+9 more, use /NETSPLIT to show all of them)
13:02 -!- Netsplit over, joins: huebi, aszlig, rxr, bluefire, armijn, holyolli, thalerim, WKaibigan, [anders], igel (+11 more)
13:03 < fake> otherwise i'll be unable to compile glibc on mips
13:03 < thalerim> ESDEN!
13:03 < fake> thalerim: rejoin.
13:03 < thalerim> -lilo`- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  We're going to need to do a quick rehubbing of a main rotation server.  Lots of noise; please bear with us.
13:03 < fake> <thalerim> -lilo`- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  We're going to need to do a quick rehubbing of a main rotation server.  Lots of noise; please
13:03 < fake>            bear with us.
13:03 < armijn> I heard lilo pissed off a lot of admins yesterday
13:03 < thalerim> that means we'll be disconnected?
13:04 < armijn> and that several servers are moving to other networks
13:04 < fake> thalerim: nope.
13:04 < SMP> thalerim: no, only a short netsplit
13:04 < armijn> because lilo just cares about getting a paycheck
13:04 < fake> thalerim: a few server<->server connections will be reorganized.
13:04 -!- thalerim is now known as thaly|grammy
13:04 -!- thaly|grammy is now known as thaly|grandma
13:04 < thaly|grandma> :->
13:05 < fake> armijn: he should get a job then
13:05 < thaly|grandma> bbl
13:05 < armijn> fake: he got *fired* by his brother
13:06 < thaly|grandma> SMP: do you know how to fix the libshadow thing?
13:06 < SMP> yeah, quite a mess at OPN ATM...
13:06 < [anders]> err.. lilo got fired by his brother?
13:06 < fake> armijn: whew. my brother would never hire me ;-)
13:06 < SMP> thaly|grandma: I don't even know where the problem is
13:06 < [anders]> never enter into business with close friends or family..
13:07 < SMP> [anders]: read all about it on his homepage..
13:07 < fake> [anders] ACK!
13:07 < thaly|grandma> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        61200 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.a
13:07 < thaly|grandma> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          673 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.la
13:07 < thaly|grandma> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Jun 26 01:38 /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0
13:07 < thaly|grandma> libshadow.so.0.0.0 does not exist
13:07 < SMP> aha
13:07 < [anders]> SMP: url?
13:07 < fake> a link with 18 blocks?
13:07 < [anders]> fake: 18 bytes..
13:08 < SMP> [anders]: https://lilo.sargasso.net/
13:08 < fake> [anders] ah well.
13:08 * fake wants the R4000 User's Guide
13:08 < thaly|grandma> be away then.. cya
13:08 < holyolli> rxr?
13:09 < SMP> fake: why?
13:10 * SMP needs to take a close look at the 1.5.16 logs & flists
13:15 < SMP> ... which are not available :(
13:16 < fake> SMP: education
13:16 < armijn> why? what does SMP need?
13:16 < fake> and the See MIPS Run - book.
13:16 < fake> and the Malta board.
13:16 < SMP> armijn: kill /lib/*.a
13:16 < SMP> fake: ;)
13:16 < armijn> hmm
13:16 < fake> and the QEDR5k proc
13:18 < SMP> ahh, only two packages
13:18 < armijn> fake: which publisher?
13:19 < armijn> fake: or internal SGI manuals?
13:19 < fake> armijn: MIPS Inc.
13:19 < [anders]> Mmhmmm.. Looks like all the bits ordered from dabs.com for the computer has now been shipped.. All I need now is the Shuttle Barebone SS40G case, and I am away.. :)
13:19 < fake> www.mips.com
13:19 < armijn> ah
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13:22 < armijn> urgh, Pjotr installed a ROCK server a few weeks ago
13:22 < armijn> and he used 1.5.12
13:22 < armijn> so, lots of troubles
13:22 < armijn> he should have taken 1.5.15
13:22 < fake> Pjotr P
13:23 < armijn> yeah
13:23 < fake> aw.
13:23 < armijn> but, it was hardly announced
13:23 < armijn> I really hate that, it's just 1.7 that gets announced on the frontpage
13:23 < armijn> even though there is quite some development going on in 1.5.x
13:23 < fake> > /dev/clifford
13:23 < [anders]> is 1.6.0 ready for release?
13:23 < armijn> [anders]: no, not yet
13:24 < armijn> need to fix stuff for sparc64 first
13:24 < SMP> armijn: I suspect Clifford wants 1.6 out, ASAP
13:24 < [anders]> armijn: what's missing and/or needs work?
13:24 < armijn> [anders]: for sparc64? bootloader, kernel config, install disks
13:24 < fake> SMP yes because we need more 1.7 devls
13:24 < armijn> and then we just have "base"
13:24 < [anders]> armijn: is everything else ready?
13:25 < armijn> so, no X
13:25 < armijn> [anders]: well, apart from all the graphical stuff, most things are done
13:25 < [anders]> armijn: 'graphical stuff'
13:25 < armijn> [anders]: read "X"
13:26 < [anders]> armijn: ah... nothing essential missing then...
13:26 < fake> called shot: admin.
13:26 < armijn> yeah, and we need a few more tweaks for optimization...
13:26 < fake> *success*
13:29 < holyolli> cu later
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13:32 < th> how to set root-path-arguments with bootp?
13:32 < th> grmpf
13:32 < th> moin btw
13:34 < fake> moin.
13:34 < fake> man bootpd.conf ?
13:34 < fake> bp: ?
13:34 < SMP> th: 
13:35 < SMP> 11:09| < SMP> option root-path "/tftpboot/js/charlotte,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192";
13:35 < fake> eh? that's dhcpd, isn't it?
13:35 < SMP> dhcpd is a bootp server
13:36 < fake> hm, i thought he ment bootpd.
13:36 < fake> (the conf file with lots of ":" ;)
13:36 < SMP> th: please have a look at world:~stefanp/sparc-root-update.tar.bz2
13:36 -!- snyke [~snyke@pD9502A78.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #rocklinux
13:37 < armijn> switiching machines. brb
13:37 < fake> *argh*... a search on edonkey for MIPS -> 0 hits.
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13:39 < esden> hi all
13:39 < th> SMP: i'm already downloading it ;)
13:40 < fake> hi esden!
13:40 -!- armijn [~armijn@losser.st-lab.cs.uu.nl] has joined #rocklinux
13:40 < fake> esden: maybe YOU know why we use the ldconfig from ld.so and not the one from glibc?
13:40 < snyke> hi you
13:41 < esden> fake: no no idea I waswondering too some time ago ... but forgot to ask
13:42 < fake> esden: because glibc's ldconfig works
13:42 < th> java:bf=/tftpboot/proll.krups.ID15:ha=080020954f16:ip=192.168.1.77:sa=192.168.1.138:rp=/tftpboot/192.168.1.77,rsize=8192,wsize=8192
13:42 < th> that's for bootp
13:42 < th> that's for bootpd
13:42 < fake> rp. yeah. i forgot >_<
13:42 < esden> fake: yes you were telling it yesterday
13:43 < huebi> hi esden, hi th 
13:43 < th> and it's man bootptab not bootpd.conf ;-)
13:43 < th> moin huebi 
13:43 < fake> th> sorry... only used it once.
13:43 < fake> hi huebi !
13:43 < th> i think i need a second monitor
13:44 < th> switching between irc,manpages,serverhost and stations is bad
13:44 < esden> hi huebi 
13:44 < fake> i think i need a second head.
13:44 < huebi> hi fake 
13:44 < esden> fake: you have two eyes ;-)
13:44 < th> the lucky thing: i have a spare 17" just here...
13:44 < SMP> *LOL*
13:45 < esden> fake: learn to use them separatly
13:45 < fake> esden> then the only thing missing is a second set of hands.
13:45 < huebi> fake: dvorak ?
13:45 < fake> on-handed?
13:45 < fake> s,on,one,
13:46 < huebi> 2x 1-handed
13:46 < esden> fake: you have two hands ... use dvorak-l and dvorak-r
13:46 < fake> huebi: T9 ;-)
13:46 < fake> two number blocks
13:47 < huebi> fake: Oktaine with 2 keyboards/heads
13:47 < esden> then you can have 10 keyboards
13:47 < fake> huebi: *LECHZ*
13:47 < esden> the t9 kevboards can be handled by one finger
13:48 < fake> esden: yeah, but then the keyboards would get horribly small.
13:49 < esden> fake: that is only a thing of exercise
13:50 < fake> anyways. i am missing vital body enhancements.
13:50 < th> ok. 2nd monitor mounted
13:51 < fake> mount -t fb /dev/fb/1 /dev/pty/1 
13:51 < th> SMP: i started a ping. how can i cancel that?
13:51 < th> SMP: charlotte does not react to my C-c tries
13:52 < fake> SysReq ?
13:52 < fake> ;-)
13:54 < th> i have sysreq. is there a  way to kill a single process?
13:54 < SMP> th: yeah, this has happened to me, too
13:54 < SMP> th: use screen, login on another vs, via ssh or reboot ;)
13:55 < SMP> s,vs,vc,
13:55 < [anders]> th, ^Z, kill %1
13:55 < esden> nonono ... argh /me will die
13:56 < SMP> no, SIGSTOP, SIGINT and SIGKILL are all hosed
13:56 < th> [anders]: no C-z
13:56 < SMP> from the keyboard, that is
13:56 < [anders]> th: any way in remotely to the box?
13:56 < SMP> th: you might have luck with C-\
13:56 < th> hmmm kernel oopsing on reboot
13:56 < SMP> or else just reboot it
13:56 < SMP> oopsing?
13:56 < SMP> oops
13:57 < th> SMP: no. i tried that
13:57 < SMP> never seen that
13:57 < SMP> are you trying a shutdown?
13:57 < SMP> just press the power button
13:57 < th> SMP: yes. with 2 nice ascii-art daemons like these on install-shell
13:57 < armijn> oopsing!
13:58 < SMP> it's diskless after all. no need to do a shutdown
13:58 < th> SMP: hmm screen does not work
13:59 < th> open fifo /tmp/screen/... no such device
13:59 * fake getting gcc-cvs
13:59 < SMP> most stupid thing I heard was about people whose shutdown scripts ran 'ifconfig eth0 down' on a diskless system
13:59 < SMP> *aargh*
13:59 < SMP> th: hmm. I had no problems with screen
14:00 < SMP> apart from the usual ones
14:00 < th> SMP: is /tmp on your root?
14:00 < SMP> it's mountpoint
14:00 < SMP> for tmpfs
14:01 < th> ahh :)
14:01 < th> unable to mount that :-/
14:01 < th> something is really strange
14:02 < SMP> which kernel are you using?
14:02 < th> 2.4.18-rc4
14:02 < SMP> AARGHH
14:02 < SMP> servnix:/tftpboot/js# grep vmlinux charlotte/README 
14:02 < SMP>  - use boot/vmlinux.aout to boot your Krups
14:03 < SMP> read README, CHANGES, BUG, TODO now!
14:04 < SMP> grmpf
14:04 < huebi> SMP: jo. the kernel must be in aout. elftoaout vmlinux
14:04 * SMP writes documentation and users don't read it...
14:05 < SMP> no, his problem was that he is using not my kernel, which has no support for devfs and tmpfs
14:05 < th> /proc/filesystem shows tmpfs
14:06 < SMP> argh, I'm too damn tired to even write correctly
14:06 < SMP> th: use my kernel or I won't help you
14:06 < th> SMP: ack ;)
14:07 < esden> some of you will probably find this here interesting/funny: https://www.esden.net/rocklinux/ssh-reimplement.txt
14:11 < thaly|grandma> re
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14:12 < esden> cu all
14:12 < huebi> cu esden 
14:12 < [anders]> cu esden 
14:12 < thalerim> wait esden
14:14 < thalerim> esden: the installprogramm of 1.5.16 looks for a pkg-dir 'base-pkgs' on 1.5.16ISO is only a 'base_pkgs', and it looks for .tar.bz2's on cd are .tbz2's
14:15 < th> SMP: how often does world's hostkey change?
14:15 < SMP> hostkeys never change
14:16 < th> than it's possible someone is doing something nasty
14:16 < [anders]> if you re-install OpenSSH they do..
14:16 < th> SMP: but you did not change it since yesterday, did you?
14:16 < SMP> (only when compromised)
14:16 < SMP> th: I switched off ssh1 compatibility
14:17 < SMP> [anders]: actually, no
14:17 < [anders]> SMP they changed for me anyways.. As the ROCK 1.4.0 Build-Pkg routine for openssh regenerates the host-keys...
14:18 < fake> mkdir bak ; cp /etc/ssh/*key* bak/ ; make install ; cp bak/* /etc/ssh ; rm -rf bak ;
14:18 < SMP> 1.4 and 1.5.12 had a bug where one of three hostkeys was in the openssh package
14:18 < th> i get no colors on that krups
14:19 * [anders] will update to 1.6.0 when it finally appears..
14:19 < SMP> [anders]: that's stupid behaviour of the openssh 'make instal'
14:20 < SMP> but you don't Build-Pkg on a live system anyway, unless you really know what you are doing ;>
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14:21 < fake> SMP: how can i tell it to use /etc/ssh ? it always installs in $prefix/etc/
14:21 < term_emu> hoi
14:22 < [anders]> SMP: Well, I have been using Build-Pkg on my live box for a good while.. As long as you don't try updating glibc with it, you are okay.. ;-)
14:22 < SMP> fake: --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh should do it?
14:22 < fake> SMP: o_O must have overlooked it.... thanks.
14:22 < [anders]> SMP: so if Build-Pkg is not the right way, what is?
14:23 < SMP> [anders]: 'Build-Pkg on a live system' is not the right way
14:23 < th> SMP: it charlottes terminal capable of colors?
14:23 < [anders]> SMP: so what is the correct way?
14:24 < [anders]> SMP: 2nd box, build pkg there, copy across and install on live box?
14:24 < SMP> [anders]: having a seperate box or chroot env
14:25 < SMP> th: yes. but I could not get colors on ssh sessions
14:25 < [anders]> SMP: when disk is sparse, you do alternative things.. If I could afford the disk, I would.. Now when 2nd box looks like it is only days away, I could build things away from live box..
14:25 < SMP> th: but 'ls --color' should work, e.g.
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14:26 < th> SMP: no. it doesn't seem to work even local
14:27 < SMP> [anders]: I know. I don't especially like that either. but the rock-src scripts are designed to build a distro from scratch, not to make partial updates
14:27 < SMP> th: hmm. does the penguin logo during boot show colors?
14:27 < th> SMP: yes
14:27 < th> SMP: what terminal did you set?
14:28 < SMP> try putting a getty in vc/2
14:28 < SMP> TERM=linux
14:28 < SMP> that's the obvious default
14:28 < huebi> th: start screen. then the colors should work ;-)
14:28 < [anders]> SMP: Yeah.. What I would like, is an environment, where non-core things could be built and packaged for updating other boxes..
14:28 < [anders]> and that without having to build the works..
14:29 < th> SMP: GREAT i have a getty ;_
14:29 < thalerim> i modified framebuffer to exchange the light grey/white (the standard text colorS) with (light) green - now it looks like a very l33t MaTrIx box :-)
14:29 < SMP> [anders]: it's possible if you know what you are doing ;>
14:29 < th> huebi: no they do not work
14:29 < th> huebi: SMP: but they work without screen
14:29 < SMP> th: ... and then logging in on vc/2 ;P
14:30 < th> SMP: colors work on vc/2
14:30 < SMP> on vc/2, but not on console?
14:30 < thalerim> https://freebits.de/trash/framebuff-green.diff <-
14:30 < SMP> ssh doesn't work for me on console, either
14:30 < [anders]> SMP: I'll have a look at setting up such an env at some point.. Usually, you don't update core stuff often.. Things like OpenSSH I would not class at 'core'...
14:31 < th> SMP: you mean colors with vc/x >> ssh
14:32 < SMP> no, ssh in general
14:32 < SMP> did you try it?
14:32 < SMP> on /dev/console it just gives me a nonsensical error
14:33 < SMP> but works fine on vcs and ptys
14:34 < SMP> I should have enabled some gettys on vcs and put up a "DON'T USE" sign on the /dev/console one ;)
14:35 < th> SMP: on vc/2 i did a ssh to another host and colors are still okay
14:35 -!- thalerim is now known as thaly|afk
14:36 < SMP> th: I banged my head against ssh before I noticed that /dev/console is evil in general ;)
14:36 < th> SMP: yes it is. it even refuses to let me ssh to my delta
14:37 < th> SMP: i have colors up to this moment i start screen
14:38 < th> s,this,the, 
14:38 * SMP goes to try out
14:41 < huebi> what about to put /dev/console to vc/12. rechable via ALT-F12
14:41 < huebi> ?
14:42 < huebi> I personaly log everything from syslog to /dev/vc12
14:43 < th> AHH GOT COLORS
14:43 < th> SMP: set TERM=xterm ;)
14:43 < th> whew irssi has it's colors back
14:44 < SMP> huebi: you can't just "put /dev/console to vc/12" ;>
14:45 < huebi> SMP: why?
14:45 < SMP> huebi: what /dev/console is depends on the kernels idea. often it is vc/1. when using serial-console it is tts/0
14:45 < huebi> ah, I understand.
14:46 < th> SMP: well i just replaced the 1 in inittab with 12 and put a getty like on vc/2 on vc/1
14:46 < th> SMP: now my vc1 works perfectly
14:46 < huebi> all the non-syslogd/klogd messages needs /dev/console
14:46 < SMP> exactly
14:47 < SMP> I do prefer to use /dev/console, though
14:47 < SMP> just in case one needs serial-console
14:47 < th> login failures take a long time
14:48 < huebi> The bootmessages of the kernel are writen to /dev/console, aren't they? And /dev/console is hardwired in the kernel to vc/1 / tts/0, isn't it?
14:49 < SMP> well, the console is the console ;)
14:49 < SMP> but you're free to ignore it
14:50 < fake> hm... where is the glibc cvs?
14:51 < huebi> SMP: can you explain a little bit more, please?
14:51 < fake> ah
14:51 < fake> hab schon.
14:52 < SMP> huebi: well, suppose you use normal graphical console. then /dev/console == vc/1. but you can still access vc/1 as vc/1 and see none of the fsckups we saw.
14:53 < SMP> because then vc/1 is no different from vc/2 etc.
14:54 < huebi> 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L -i -I '\012\015\012Maintenance Console:\012' 38400 vc/1 linux <- you mean this entry in /etc/inittab let me use vc/1 like vc/2?
14:55 < SMP> putting a getty on /dev/console has the advantage that it will work no matter what the kerne's idea of the console it. if you use gettys on vcs and decide to run the machine headless and with serial-console you will see the kernel messages on the serial port but no getty, since there simply isn't one
14:56 < SMP> huebi: yes, exactly
14:58 < huebi> So how can I redirect the console either to /dev/tts/0 or /dev/vc/1? If I configure the kernel with console on serial port, is it automaticaly there on /dev/tts/0, or how is this done?
14:58 < SMP> yes, that's how you do it
15:01 < huebi> And if I have no console on serial port it is automaticaly placed on /dev/vc/1? can I change that to /dev/vc/12 ?
15:03 < SMP> you can even have multiple consoles at one time. well, not exactly, but you can say 'console=ttyS0 console=tty0' which will send the messages both to tts/0 and vc/1. getty will of course only appear on the first device
15:03 < SMP> huebi: yes. console=tty12
15:04 < SMP> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/serial-console.txt tells you all about it :)
15:06 < huebi> *reading*
15:06 < th> huebi: sind eigentlich noch krups verfuegbar?
15:07 < fake> hm... mailinglist archives in mbox format are a cool thing
15:07 < fake> huebi: apropos - schon dazu gekommen? *hundeblick*
15:07 < huebi> th: Noe, Ich habe _alle_ bei Livingston aufgekauft und zwei moechte ich fuer mich selber behalten.
15:08 < th> huebi: hehe wieviel waren denn _alle_?
15:09 < huebi> fake: Nein. noch nicht. Ich kann dir Samstag fest zusagen fuer den Versand per Post. Ich habe super viel zu tun bis morgen abend.
15:10 * th hat jetzt alle rechner im zimmer bis auf die krups runtergefahren und geniest die stille
15:10 < huebi> th: 7 stueck. th: 2, SMP: 1, Ripclaw: 1, jake: 1, ich: 2
15:10 < fake> huebi: is in ordnung.... danke schonmal ;)
15:10 < rolla> re
15:10 < huebi> hi rolla 
15:10 < fake> jake? *grml*
15:10 < th> huebi: man gut, dass ich gleich 2 wollte ;)
15:10 < fake> hi rolla !
15:11 < th> huebi: die dinger rocken ungemein
15:11 < huebi> th: Genau darum wollte ich die auch haben ;-))
15:11 < th> huebi: ob sich irgendwo noch weitere quellen erschliessen?
15:12 < huebi> th: bei SUN habe ich schon gefragt, die haben keine mehr.
15:12 * fake wird seine ganzen ratterkisten in den vorraum stellen und nur noch die schoene leise Krups im wohnbereich haben ;)
15:12 * th braucht ein vorzimmer
15:12 < fake> th> ich braeucht ein groesseres.
15:12 < th> der server fuer die krups steht aufm dachboden
15:13 < th> weil er auch funkstandleitungsrouter ist
15:13 < fake> 1.5 x 1.5 meter - 3 tueren
15:13 < th> fake: kannste doch alle unter die decke haengen
15:13 < fake> (von denen aber 2 nach aussen aufgehen
15:14 * huebi wird mal 40m cat5 in den keller legen. Mal sehen was der Vermieter / die Hausgemeinschaft dazu sagt..
15:14 < fake> th: coole idee - ich koennte meine rechner auf den dachboden stellen und das antennenkabel als BNC-Netzwerkkabel umfunktionieren...
15:14 < fake> pech fuer die antennenfernsehkucker in der wohnung
15:14 < th> fake: das sind doch 75Ohm?
15:14 < huebi> th: egal, das geht schon.
15:15 < th> huebi: aber etwas mies.
15:15 < huebi> habe ich selber mal gesehen.
15:15 < th> huebi: wir haben in der schule vor jahren mal versehentlich 75ohm verlegt.
15:15 < th> huebi: der strang war uebel
15:16 < huebi> th: das glaube ich gerne ;>
15:16 < th> SMP: there is no strace...
15:17 < huebi> th: ask armijn for strace
15:17 < huebi> th: he knows all about it on sparc64
15:18 < fake> hm, maybe also for mips? ;-)
15:19 < huebi> fake: armijn also knows where the holes in the cheese come from *fg*
15:20 < fake> jaaa i know _that_ story.
15:20 < th> hmmm passwd behaves strange
15:21 < th> you talked about that already IIRC
15:21 < huebi> th: cheese?
15:23 < th> huebi: no. passwd or login problem
15:23 < th> huebi: considered it a shadow problem?
15:23 < huebi> i did not talk about cheese
15:24 < th> huebi: me neither
15:24 < fake> th: install htdig over irclog.
15:24 < th> fake: grep is enough
15:24 < fake> aye.
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15:25 < huebi> th: yes, there is a problem with the login. you write your accout and hit enter. nothing changes. then you write your passwd (in the dark) and hit enter 3 times. then you are loged in
15:26 < th> huebi: i've no problems like that
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15:26 < th> huebi: just everywhere a password is requested it takes minutes
15:27 < huebi> th: one problem was openssh. Armijn fixed that and in the new buid and on my 2 sparcs the package is new.
15:29 < SMP> th: do you have to wait after the password prompt at login, too?
15:30 < huebi> th: yes, there is a problem with the login. you write your accout and hit enter. nothing changes. then you write your passwd (in the dark) and hit enter 3 times. then you are loged in
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15:30 < huebi> SMP: Do you mean this?
15:30 < SMP> actually you can type any character, not just enter
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15:39 * fake browsing glibc mlist archives
15:39 < fake> https://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2002-01/msg00322.html
15:39 < fake> hehe.
15:39 < fake> he's in the thread i need
16:01 < th> SMP: i have to wait a long time if i enter a wrong password
16:01 < th> SMP: or if i try to change the password with passwd command
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16:13 < [anders]> got a mate buying a DLT-8000 40GB/80GB tapedrive for only £600 inc shipping and VAT..
16:13 < huebi> [anders]: kool price.
16:14 * [anders] ordering it tomorrow..
16:16 -!- term_emu is now known as term_aweh
16:26 < fake> wow.
16:26 < fake> jetzt wird uns gleich mitgeteilt dass unsere firma insolvenz anmeldet.
16:26 * SMP goes to bed
16:26 < fake> SMP: sleep well
16:27 < rolla> argh 
16:28 < huebi> cu SMP 
16:28 * fake wanders off listening to CEO.
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16:47 < [anders]> actually.. ordered today..
16:49 < huebi> cu later
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17:13 < rolla> where can I find the error-logs for the stage3 build ?
17:14 < rolla> I cannot figure out where the root is
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18:00 < esden> re hi all
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18:11 < huebi> re
18:18 < fake> hm.
18:18 < fake> doch nix mit insolvenz.
18:18 < fake> noch nicht ;-)
18:18 < fake> dafuer jetzt grillparty.
18:18 < huebi> fake: na dann viel Spass
18:19 < fake> wobei?
18:19 < huebi> grillparty.
18:19 < huebi> oder nicht jetzt sofort?
18:20 < th> huebi: might that login problem be because of the stars being printed. that's a random count of stars...
18:20 < fake> doch, aber was soll ich da?
18:21 < fake> naja. essen.
18:21 < fake> tote tiere
18:21 < fake> kurz von der flamme gekuesst....
18:21 < huebi> fake: befressen bis zum Umfallen. Sinnlos noch sinnlosere Mengen an Bier vernichten. Und morgen auf der Tastatur einschlafen oder gleich eine Kater fuer 2 haben...
18:22 < fake> huebi: 1) logisch 2) bin mim auto da und daheim wartet ne cvs-glibc und ein cvs-gcc auf mich.
18:22 < th> huebi: das ist nur ein login problem. beim passwd command werden auch diese sterne gezeigt und da ist das gleiche problem
18:22 < th> huebi: wenn du ein leeres passwort nimmst, so das keine sterne kommen, bist du sofort drin
18:22 < fake> th: time head /dev/random ?
18:22 < huebi> hmm
18:22 < th> s,ist nur,ist nicht nur,
18:23 < th> fake: laeuft noch
18:23 < fake> th: er macht halt bis er 10 mal \n bekommen hat
18:23 < th> fake: dann mach ich besser ein dd
18:23 < fake> real    0m1.169s
18:24 < huebi> fake: kann dein chef nicht noch die Taxis bezahlen?
18:24 < fake> time dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/null count=1024
18:24 < fake> real    0m1.158s
18:24 < fake> zum vergl. P3-800
18:25 < th> fake: dann mach ich besser ein dd
18:25 < th> oups
18:25 < huebi> ssh laeuft wieder auc rocklinux.dyndns.org
18:26 < fake> th: dd braucht bei mir auch unterschiedlich lange
18:26 < fake> zwischen einer und 24 sekunden
18:26 < fake> 1024 records = 0.75 sek.
18:26 < fake> bei dev/urandom
18:27 < fake> konstant
18:27 < th> komisch wenn ich ein dd auf dev/null mache isses sofort fertig
18:27 < fake> th: wie seltsam!
18:27 < huebi> bash-2.05a$ time dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null count=1024
18:28 < huebi> real0m0.303s
18:28 < th> huebi: na bei urandom is das ja klar
18:28 < fake> das is ja schneller als mein P3-800 ?!
18:28 < huebi> cpu MHz: 1526.552
18:28 < fake> th: schau halt mal in den source was er bei diesen doofen *** macht...
18:28 < fake> model name      : Pentium III (Coppermine)
18:28 < fake> cpu MHz  : 849.909
18:29 < fake> bogomips : 1697.38
18:29 < th> wie issen die standard bs?
18:29 < huebi> model name: AMD Athlon(tm) MP 1800+
18:29 < huebi> bogomips: 3047.42
18:29 < fake> th> bei speicher 1024, bei fs: 4096
18:29 < fake> huebi: :P
18:30 < fake> huebi: mein Haus... mein Auto... mein Cluster ;-)
18:30 < th> also mal von random>null bs=1 count=1024
18:30 < th> braucht 20 sekunden
18:30 < huebi> bogomips x2  weil dual ;>
18:31 < th> chichi
18:31 < fake> random oder urandom @th ?
18:31 < th> fake: random
18:31 < fake> real    0m0.787s
18:31 < th> huebi: meinte smp vorhin, dass ein xfree86 drin waere?
18:31 < fake> real    0m16.992s
18:31 < fake> real    0m1.298s
18:31 < fake> random variiert zu stark
18:32 < th> diesmal 34
18:32 < huebi> fake: bist du sicher, das dein random kein link nach urandom ist?
18:32 < fake> huebi: das merke ich an dem unterschied ....
18:32 < fake> urandom immer etwa gleich lang
18:32 < huebi> fake: es passt gut von der zeit.
18:32 < fake> random immer unterschiedlich.
18:32 < huebi> random: real   0m23.983s
18:32 < fake> cr--r--r--    1 root     root       1,   9 27. Jun 14:00 urandom
18:33 < fake> crw-rw-rw-    1 root     root       1,   8 10. Jun 16:32 random
18:33 < fake> w??
18:33 < fake> o_O
18:33 < huebi> th: jo, da sehe ich nicht so das grosse problem..
18:33 < fake> eh... urandom... heute erstellt?
18:33 < huebi> celeron 466 urandom: 0m1.303s
18:34 < fake> *gruebel*
18:34 < huebi> urandom XP1800+ 0m0.303s
18:34 < huebi> fake: dein (u)random passt von der Zeit sehr gut dazwischen.
18:35 < fake> huebi: is das ein kompilment?
18:35 < fake> kompliment
18:35 < huebi> erh.. Ja?!
18:36 < fake> *freu* ;)
18:45 < huebi> ** Finished (06/26/02 02:02:14 - 06/27/02 15:01:20) ** - sparc64 build on Ultra 30 / 200MHz needs 37h
18:46 -!- uninvited [uninvited@pD9E5000D.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ROCKLINUX
18:46 < uninvited> hello every1
18:46 < huebi> hi uninvited ;-)
18:47 * uninvited scans for netcrow
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18:53 < th> wie startet man in nem bash-prompt was bold?
18:53 < th> tcsh is ja hier leider nich
18:55 < th> also fragen wir mal anders: wie kriegt man auf nem linux terminal seinen prompt so richtig schoen weiss
18:55 < th> und nich nur so grau
18:56 < huebi> export PS1="\[\e[1;32m\]\u@\h:\w > \[\e[0m\]" <- tiefblau
18:56 < th> oum
18:56 < th> \e[1;32m also
18:57 < huebi> erm gruen ;-))
18:57 < huebi> export PS1="\[\e[1;31m\]\u@\h:\w # \[\e[0m\]" <- rot
18:58 < huebi> export PS1="\[\e[1;37m\]\u@\h:\w # \[\e[0m\]" <- weiss
18:58 < th> und gibts auch ein "normal" oderr muss ich da grau nehmen
18:59 < huebi> export PS1="\u@\h:\w # " normal
18:59 < huebi> \[\e[1;37m\] = weiss ein
18:59 < huebi> \[\e[0m\] = farbe aus
19:00 < th> danke huebi
19:01 < huebi> gern geschehen.
19:02 < rolla> and then type bin 
19:02 < th> bin?
19:03 < rolla> wrong window ;)
19:03 < fake> damn it. bad timing.
19:03 < fake> the animal was a bit too small.
19:03 < rolla> why ?
19:03 < th> huebi: kann die krups nur ueber den speaker piepsen?
19:04 < th> s,den,den einen den ich abklemmte,
19:05 < fake> th: nix piepsen. crystal audio karte ;)
19:05 < huebi> die hat noch sound on board, https://www.dementia.org/~shadow/sparcaudio.html
19:05 < th> fake: ich will ein terminal-beep
19:05 < fake> s,karte,onboard,
19:05 < fake> th: screen -> Wuff,Wuff!
19:05 < th> fake: vc
19:06 < fake> th: vhs
19:06 < th> ich moechte eine akustische rueckkopplung
19:06 < fake> vielleicht-hilft-(wiederan)stecken
19:06 < fake> th: du kannst sie auch auf den boden werfen. macht auch geraeusche.
19:06 < th> fake: ja aber dann rauschts doch auch wieder
19:07 < fake> th: vielleicht nicht wenn du den soundtreiber installierst?
19:07 < th> fake: aber wie sorg ich dafuer, dass sie immer genau dann auf den boden faellt, wenn ich mail hab?
19:07 < th> fake: das kaeme auf einen versuch an.
19:07 < th> fake: dafuer braeuchte ich aber irgendwie mal ein x
19:07 < fake> th: hm... du laesst im terminal in der statuszeile aufblinken dass du sie jetzt runterwerfen musst?
19:07 < th> hab hier kein gpm
19:07 < fake> th: wozu x?
19:08 < th> fake: zum auf den url browsen 
19:08 < th> sonst muss ich ja abtippen
19:08 < fake> th: hm.armer hund.
19:08 < fake> th: nfsmount?
19:08 < fake> und dann in das verz. reinschieben?
19:09 < th> fake: wie meinen?
19:09 < fake> th: mounte doch ein verz. eber NFS von einem anderen rechner auf dem du maus und X hast o_O ?
19:10 < th> fake: die krups is im moment der einzige rechner der an ist
19:10 < th> fake: ansonsten waere es ja kein problem
19:10 < fake> th: also entweder musst du X kompilieren oder nen anderen rechner einschalten...
19:11 < fake> th: von wo hast du denn gebootet?
19:12 < th> fake: von einem rechner auf dem dachboden
19:12 < fake> ach der.
19:12 < th> fake: ohne maus, tastatur, monitor und x
19:12 < fake> denk ich mir - wenn er auf dem dachboden steht ;-)
19:12 < th> jo
19:13 < fake> hm.....
19:13 < fake> waere es nicht einfacher mal erstmal gpm zu kompilieren?
19:13 < fake> hast du ssh?
19:14 < th> jo
19:14 < fake> hm.... ich kann dir nur insoweit entgegenkommen dass ichs dir irgendwo hinleg damit du gpm mit scp ziehen kannst.
19:14 < th> ebus_chain hmmm huebi: sagt dir das was?
19:14 < fake> aber nicht nur weil du zu faul zum tippen bist :P
19:15 < th> fake: danke, aber ich werd wohl nicht drum rum kommen einen rechner anzuschalten
19:15 < fake> th: wait
19:15 < th> fake: hier steht ja noch einer direkt neben mir
19:15 < th> ich braeuchte nichtmal aufstehen
19:15 < fake> ftp://arcana.linux.it/pub/gpm/gpm-1.20.0.tar.bz2
19:15 < th> das compilier ich doch ehh nicht auf der krups
19:16 < fake> das schaffst du doch wohl noch. mit ncftp hast du sogar noch tab-completion ;-)
19:16 < fake> th: warum nich ? *g*
19:16 < th> fake: wenn dann lieber auf einer kiste von huebi
19:17 < th> ich hab jetzt ein modul namens "audio.o" geladen
19:17 < th> und ich hab dadurch ein /dev/sound/
19:17 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/sparc64-gpm.tar.bz2
19:18 < fake> th: ein /dev/sound/(nix) ?
19:19 < th> genau
19:19 < th> ein leeres dir
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19:19 < g-katze> So, hallo nochmal
19:19 < rolla> and try to ftp again 
19:19 < th> wenn ich cs4231 laden will kommt obiges ebus unres problem
19:19 < th> da fehlt wohl noch was
19:20 < huebi> na, uninvited ;-)
19:20 < fake> hi g-katze !!
19:20 < fake> g-katze: wie schauts aus mit der PS2 ??
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19:20 < fake> g-katze: das hat top-priority
19:21 < g-katze> Bin dran, morgen Abend geh ich einen heben und dann treff ich gleich zwei Top-Kandidaten.
19:21 < g-katze> Spätestens montag geb ich dir Bescheid.
19:21 < fake> g-katze: suuuper
19:23 < huebi> g-katze: das heisst: Morgen abend fuehre ich mit 2 Investoren sehr erfolgversprechende Verghandlungen ueber eine Grossinvestition im IT-Bereich..
19:23 < huebi> *ggg*
19:24 < fake> huebi: der witz ist: fuer mich is das ne grossinvestition..... :(
19:24 < huebi> fake: Deshalb ja ;-))
19:24 < fake> :P
19:25 < huebi> manchmal kommt dann noch einer ( <AOL> Ich auch. ich auch </AOL> ) und will unbedingt mitmachen... und schon steht die Origin 3800 bei dir im Zimmer.
19:25 < fake> th: was fuer ein unres? bin ich blind?
19:26 < fake> huebi!!!!! das ist nicht witzig... das macht mich traurig -_-
19:26 < huebi> (PS2 Emulator fuer Origin...)
19:27 < huebi> fake: Ich habe das nicht boese gemeint. Und ich will dich auch nicht traurig machen. Entschuldige bitte...
19:27 < g-katze> fake,huebi> hehehhehe
19:27 < huebi> g-katze: Zieh dir 'nen Anzug an ;>
19:27 < g-katze> Erfolgsversprechende Verhandlungen, IT Bereich, usw usw . OKAY ;-)
19:28 < g-katze> mach ich. Hellblaue Pampers.
19:28 < huebi> g-katze: Nein! Nicht den blauen zum Autoschrauben...
19:29 < th> fake: unresolved symbol ebus_chain
19:31 < huebi> Sitzt Sony nicht in Dietzenbach? Ich meine auch die PS abteilung?
19:31 < g-katze> huebi> Anzug ? welchen denn sonst ?
19:32 < huebi> g-katze: Den Achtung-jetzt-komm-ich-der-immer-so-erfolgreich-und-richtig-wichtig-ist Anzug
19:33 < th> huebi: so einen sollte ich mir mal zulegen
19:34 < g-katze> Ach den ? Ich hab nur einen ich-kriech-euch-in-den-Arsch-und-dann-kann-ich-mir-den-Achtung-jetzt-komm-ich-der-immer-so-erfolgreich-und-richtig-wichtig-Anzug-nicht-mehr-Anzug !
19:34 < g-katze> -sparen.
19:34 < g-katze> osä
19:34 < huebi> th: jo. und die Du-findest-mich-obertoll-und-zahlst-dafuer-extra Kravatte auch ;>
19:35 < th> huebi: grmpf
19:35 < huebi> g-katze: Arschkriechen macht immer so einen streng riechenden, beschissenen Eindruck ;<
19:36 < th> huebi: ich muss dich mal besuchen kommen. dann zeigst du mir solche kunden, okay?
19:37 < huebi> th: Wenn ich wieder so einen habe, gerne. ab Samstag mache ich erst nur mal ROCK Linux
19:38 < th> kann mir jemand den shortest path routing algorithmus erklaeren?
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19:39 < huebi> th: garantiert SMP ;)
19:39 < g-katze> huebi> Ja. Ich hasse Skatol auch, aber der Weg zum Erfolg führt meistens durch die Darmgegend von Entscheidungsträgern.#
19:40 < g-katze> th> was willst du wissen ?
19:40 < g-katze> Shortest Path Routing ?
19:40 < th> g-katze: ich brauechte da mal ne uebungsaufgabe geloest
19:40 < g-katze> Na dann sag an.
19:40 < th> hab hier ein netz mit routern und kanten
19:40 < th> und entsprechend kantengewichte
19:41 < g-katze> kanten ?
19:41 < th> einmal SPR bitte inkl. erlaeuterung fuer jeden schritt und die entstehende datenstruktur aufzeichnen
19:41 < th> kanten = verbindungen
19:42 < g-katze> gehts um OSPF oder heisst das SPR ?
19:42 < g-katze> open shortest path first ?
19:43 < th> SPR heisst das
19:43 < th> shortest path routing
19:44 < g-katze> welche rfc ?
19:44 < snyke> hm lol
19:45 < snyke> auf #flood piped einer seinen inhalt von /dev zeile für zeile *G*
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19:46 < th> g-katze: keine ahnung ich war nicht in der vorlesung
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19:47 < tsa> tag
19:47 < g-katze> th> SPR kenn ich nicht. Sorry. Keine Aussage von meiner Seite.
19:58 < g-katze> snyke> flood flood flood *G*
20:01 < huebi> hi tsa 
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20:01 < huebi> hi holyolli 
20:01 < holyolli> re
20:02 < holyolli> hu huebi
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20:05 < owl> hi
20:05 < huebi> hi owl 
20:08 < tsa> hi huebi
20:08 < tsa> hi owl
20:08 < tsa> hi holyolli
20:08 < owl> hi tsa
20:09 < rolla> re
20:10 < tsa> hi rolla
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20:14 < holyolli> hi tsa
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20:21 < uninvited> re
20:22 < term_aweh> anyone ever seen a tool to convert doc-files to pdf?
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20:23 < holyolli> hi uninvited
20:23 < holyolli> hi netcrow
20:23 < netcrow> hi holyolli 
20:24 < term_aweh> hi btw :]
20:25 < netcrow> uninvited: still here?
20:26 < uninvited> netcrow> aye
20:31 < esden> fsck gentoo ... it is not even able to compile xfree86 !!!
20:31 < esden> argh
20:31 < esden> and the USE variables are not working
20:31 < esden> >_<
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20:33 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
20:33 < esden> hi blindcoder 
20:34 < netcrow> the good "You have new mail" on apollo is not longer there?
20:35 < esden> no idea ...
20:35 < huebi> brb
20:38 < uninvited> how do you unset variables like $LANGUAGE etc ?
20:38 < blindcoder> export LANGUAGE=""
20:38 < blindcoder> ?
20:39 < th> unexport
20:39 < th> hmm
20:39 < th> it's unsetenv in tcsh
20:39 < uninvited> th> no tcsh here
20:40 < netcrow> import LANGUAGE="" ;-)
20:40 < th> unset
20:40 < th> unset LANGUAGE
20:42 < fake> hm.
20:42 < fake> shit.
20:42 < fake> ... ?
20:42 < netcrow> hi fake
20:42 < fake> hi netti!
20:43 < netcrow> what` up?
20:43 < netcrow> +s
20:43 < fake> netcrow: job?
20:44 * blindcoder has a new "Brötchengeber"
20:44 < fake>  linux-2.4.18-sgi-indy-sound.patch.mips
20:44 < fake> glibc-2002-01-20-finline.patch.mips
20:45 < fake>  glibc-2002-02-04-dlconflict.patch.mips
20:45 < fake> *wee*
20:45 < fake> finally i found them all
20:45 < blindcoder> and? do they work?
20:45 < uninvited> blidcoder> really ? Whom ?
20:45 < fake> blindcoder: i will know - in 8 hrs.
20:45 < esden> good fake ... nice fake ... you get a "lekerli" ;-)
20:45 < fake> 7 hrs.
20:45 < fake> *haps*
20:45 < blindcoder> uninvited: is4it. but I still work @siemens ;) They just don't pay me anymore ;)
20:46 < fake> blindcoder: that's how to employ people!
20:46 < fake> "I still work @siemens ;) They just don't pay me anymore ;)"
20:46 < blindcoder> fake: nooo, not that way
20:46 < fake> hehe.
20:46 < fake> would you work for me too?
20:46 < blindcoder> fake: if you pay me 1900 EUR before taxes a month, then yes
20:47 < fake> i'd never pay you i promise ;)
20:47 < blindcoder> or lets say... 2300 EUR... I need a reason to change ;)
20:47 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB6CA41.ipt.aol.com] has quit ()
20:47 < uninvited> blindcoder> need a job ?
20:48 < blindcoder> uninvited: depends...
20:48 < uninvited> blindcoder> art thou a master of the programming arts ?
20:48 < fake> arts?
20:48 < uninvited> hehe
20:48 < fake> kde sound daemon?
20:48 < uninvited> ;-)
20:48 < fake> *uargh*
20:48 < uninvited> argh !
20:49 < blindcoder> uninvited: let's say... I can come up with a few usable lines of code
20:50 < esden> no blindcoder you come up with thousends of lines of code where only few are usable ;-)
20:50 < netcrow> abstract programming art
20:50 < esden> *fg*
20:51 < blindcoder> the rest is comment ;)
20:51 < esden> blindcoder: feel of his seat ... *lough*
20:51 < blindcoder> esden: fell out of his seat...
20:52 < esden> kk
20:52 < blindcoder> good boy... now go and bite some bugs
20:52 < esden> *grrr* *bite_blindcoder*
20:53 < blindcoder> OY!!! I'M NOT A BUG!!!
20:53 < fake> obfuscated coder.
20:53 < blindcoder> I bug you sometimes, but I'm NOT A BUG!!!
20:53 < fake> gdb blindcoder
20:53 < fake> run
20:53 < esden> obfuscated coder that stops five characters before finishing the code he should write ... ;-)
20:54 < fake> hm. interesting breakpoint you have there.
20:54 * blindcoder broken
20:54 < fake> backtrace
20:54 < fake> hm... it's a BrainBug
20:54 < fake> kill
20:54 < esden> aiiii ... /me being beaten up by blindcoder 
20:55 < fake> n
20:55 < fake> ;-)
20:55 * blindcoder dies
20:55 < fake> i'de never kill you.
20:56 * -> esden need food ... /me hunting eatable bugs ...
20:56 < esden> edible ...
20:56 * blindcoder is not edible...
20:56 * blindcoder "liegt schwer im Magen"
20:56 < fake> hm... i'd need some clifford now
20:56 * blindcoder cuts off cliffords arm
20:56 < holyolli> fake: hungry or why?
20:56 < blindcoder> here you are
20:56 < esden> fake: you need some cliffordisme  ???
20:56 < fake> holyolli: questions about how to handle specialities
20:57 < esden> that is what ripclaw calls the stuff that clifford produces I thik ...
20:57 < fake> 125M     gcc-3.1-cvs.tar
20:57 < esden> urgh ...
20:57 < esden> big baby ;-)
20:57 < blindcoder> that's... biig
20:57 < fake> unbuilt!
20:58 < fake> freshly from cvs...
20:58 -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving")
20:59 < esden> fake: is it still hot ?
20:59 < fake> esden: no. i've left it for a few hours
20:59 < esden> fake: then it is now cold ... :-(
20:59 < esden> fake: put it in the microwave ... ;-)
20:59 < blindcoder> throw it into the microwave
21:00 < fake> esden: that is indeed what i wanted to express.
21:00 < fake> esden: I'll have to update ssh once more on apollo
21:00 < esden> ???
21:00 < fake> it's now 3.3privsep
21:00 < esden> ok ... do it please 
21:00 < tsa> 3.4?
21:00 < fake> 3.4 came out yesterday
21:01 < esden> tell me when I have to restart my session please ...
21:01 < fake> oh, blindcoder, by the way. if you ever wonder where your memory has gone - mldonkey _burns_ it.
21:02 < fake> blindcoder: i have some quite impressive mrtg stats if you're interested.
21:02 < blindcoder> fake: i know
21:02 < blindcoder> show me
21:02 < fake> blindcoder: just a second...
21:07 < fake> .
21:12 < blindcoder> ,
21:13 < huebi> fake invoces a new measuremant for 1 second...
21:13 < blindcoder> hehe
21:14 < fake> huebi: blindcoer killed my status report. it should have been .oOo.oOo.oOo....
21:14 < huebi> ;>
21:15 < fake> o
21:19 < th> O
21:20 < tsa> .
21:21 < th> that was wrong
21:21 < tsa> grr!
21:21 < tsa> ;)
21:22 < huebi> "When will you've finished your work?" - "in three fakes" - "uhh, thats ages from now..."
21:25 -!- bluefire [~bluefire@p50816E21.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
21:25 < bluefire> Hi
21:26 < fake> esden blindcoder: please reconnect. sshd updated.
21:26 < esden> kk fake thanks
21:26 < huebi>  hi bluefire 
21:26 < esden> re hi all
21:26 < fake> huebi: i /msg him from there on. 
21:27 < fake> just to clear things up ;)
21:27 < esden> hi bluefire 
21:27 < rolla> damn apache :(
21:28 < fake> people from US still don't like the native americans.... ;-)
21:29 < huebi> rolla: Try M$ IIS ;->
21:29 < rolla> ha ha
21:29 < huebi> *g*
21:29 < rolla> no I am just having trouble compiling it due to gcc lib problems :(
21:29 < fake> rolla: on a rock box?
21:29 < rolla> no no
21:29 < rolla> Solaris 8
21:30 < fake> *ugh*
21:30 < rolla> I was just gripping 
21:30 < rolla> I got it fixed
21:30 < rolla> hey they pay me to make these sun boxes go :)
21:30 -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
21:30 < mike1> Hi all
21:31 < huebi> hi mike1 
21:31 < holyolli> hi mike1
21:31 < mike1> ;)
21:32 * blindcoder now off for bzflag
21:32 < fake> blindcoder: have fun!
21:34 < esden> bluefire: gamer :-P
21:34 -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB7E34D.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux
21:34 < mike1> hi esden
21:34 < fake> esden: bl-tab is not unique ;)
21:34 < uninvited> Hola mike1
21:34 < uninvited> test
21:35 < esden> argh ...
21:35 < esden> yes ...
21:35 < mike1> sup uninvited
21:35 * -> esden schoot -> irssi
21:36 < huebi> esden: use telnet.
21:36 < huebi> *eg*
21:36 < holyolli> has anybody heard a word from rxr today?
21:36 < huebi> holyolli: no
21:36 < mike1> holyolli: i havent heard from rxr for quite a while
21:37 < uninvited> mike1 just wanna hail some greetings over to cr
21:37 < fake> me either
21:37 < esden> huebi: good idea ...
21:38 < esden> huebi: it is not a joke but I have done it some time ago !!!
21:38 < mike1> uninvited: thanks greetings back to de
21:38 < esden> huebi: I was learning the irc protocol ... the problem is that the timouts between commands and pings are very short ... >_<
21:39 < fake> esden: use keyboard makros.
21:39 < esden> fake: ahh that is a really good idea ... I will have to try it 
21:40 < mike1> anyone have some good urls where i can get documentation on running Linux on a JavaStation 1 ? or maybe sugestions?
21:41 < bluefire> esden: nope ;)
21:42 < esden> bluefire: I wanted to say it to blindcoder ... sorry ...
21:42 < bluefire> esden: I know.
21:45 < chrisime> hi esden
21:46 < esden> hi chrisime 
21:47 < chrisime> esden: https://gnome.org/start/2.0/ willst auch rocklinux mit auf der liste ham?
21:48 < esden> ja sure ..
21:48 < fake> jaaaa!
21:48 < chrisime> ok
21:48 < chrisime> dann brauch ich url
21:48 < chrisime> mirrors
21:48 < chrisime> etc.
21:49 < fake> https://www.rocklinux.org
21:49 < chrisime> hab grad suse urls bekommen
21:49 < chrisime> fake: erm...
21:49 < fake> da sind mirrors drauf
21:49 < fake> erm?
21:49 < chrisime> wo krieft man die pakete
21:50 < esden> fake weisst du es ?
21:50 < esden> wo ist der rxr
21:50 < esden> der macht dass 
21:50 < fake> chrisime: don't trust the binaries ;-)
21:50 < esden> hat jemand die telly von rxr
21:50 < fake> drock.dyndns.org mal sehen
21:50 < chrisime> bzw. wo is ne beschreibung wie man src bekommt
21:50 < chrisime> esden: ja wo is rxr
21:50 < fake> www.rocklinux.org/getting.html
21:51 < esden> fake: ja die url sollte reichen ... glaube ich ...
21:51 < esden> chrisime: sage mir deine email addy ... dann werde ich dich anschreiben wenn irgendwass sich aendern sollte was die url angeht
21:51 < chrisime> chrisime@gnome.org
21:51 < esden> ich muss nur den rxr irgendwie erreichen 
21:51 < esden> chrisime: danke 
21:52 < fake> ROCK Linux - never trust a binary.
21:52 < rolla> :)
21:52 < chrisime> erm
21:52 < chrisime> wo is da ne spezifische anleitung fuer gnome?
21:52 < chrisime> ich weiss
21:52 < esden> aaaaarrrrgggh ... wer hat die nummer von rxr ????
21:52 < chrisime> ich hab au nur src hier
21:52 < chrisime> fake: garnome
21:53 < chrisime> never trust debian ;-)
21:53 < fake> chrisime: du buildest ganz normal. dann is gnome2 dabei.
21:54 < fake> kannst sogar im Build-Menu angeben, wo du es lieber hast - in /opt/gnome2 oder woanders...
21:54 < esden> fake: es geht darum wie du rock auf gnome updatest ...
21:54 < esden> ich meine auf gnome2.0 updatest
21:54 < fake> oha.
21:54 < fake> 1.5 ?
21:55 < esden> ja auch
21:55 < esden> oder nur ...
21:55 < esden> dass ist was der chrisime braucht
21:55 < esden> jemand muss es schreiben ... und huebi sollte es machen oder der rxr
21:55 < esden> ich rufe mal den huebi an
21:55 < esden> momment
21:55 * fake ruettelt huebi wach.
21:55 < chrisime> genau
21:56 < huebi> jo
21:56 < fake> hehe.
21:56 < chrisime> hey huebi ;-)
21:56 < fake> huebi: pkgs gnome2 fuer 1.5 ? wo ?
21:56 < fake> wer ?
21:56 * mike1 away
21:56 < fake> wenn nicht dann online stellen ?
21:56 < huebi> fake: die gibt es nu in drock. mom
21:56 < fake> sofort ?
21:56 < fake> ;-)
21:56 < esden> ahh da ist huebi 
21:57 < chrisime> gentoo wird geadded grad
21:57 < chrisime> also beeilung hungs ;-)
21:57 < esden> gut dann muss ich bingo nicht finanziell strapazieren ... ;-)
21:57 < esden> arghsl
21:57 < chrisime> jungs
21:57 < chrisime> net hungs ;-)
21:57 < esden> huebi bitte !!! *heul*
21:57 < fake> chrisime: wir haben ja zwei branches. 1.7 -> im standard build drin. ist aber noch DEV
21:57 < chrisime> ich weiss
21:57 < chrisime> ich wuerd zu gern mal rocklinux probieren
21:57 < fake> gut :)
21:58 < chrisime> oder gentoo was auch super sein soll
21:58 < fake> 1.5 is es im dRock - Desktop ROCK Linux dabei
21:58 < chrisime> mein server mit debian ist am krachen im tagesrhythmus und ich weiss net was putt ist
21:58 < esden> ja ... aber es geht um updaten ... *heul*
21:59 < fake> esden: easy.
21:59 < fake> pkg-remove gnome
21:59 < esden> ok ... 
21:59 < fake> pkg-instal
21:59 < fake> pkg-install gnome2
21:59 < esden> und dann muessen wir die binary tars online stellen
21:59 < fake> err.
21:59 < esden> dann passt die sache ...
21:59 < chrisime> kann jemand ne super primitive html seite schreiben
21:59 < chrisime> das waere gut, das koennte man dann adden
21:59 < fake> esden: genau. und irgendwo muessen die ja sein - dRock kann ja net install.
22:00 * chrisime wundert sich warum von 1.5 geredet wird, dachte 1.6 waere raus
22:00 < esden> ja ... und wo ist der drock maintainer ?
22:00 < huebi> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/source/pkg-config/ <- gnome 1.4 fuer drock
22:00 < esden> chrisime: noch nicht .. 
22:00 < esden> huebi: dass sind die configs .. aber nicht die tars mit binary dirnnen ... 
22:00 < huebi> 1.4 wuerde ich mal sagen...
22:00 < esden> hmm ...
22:01 < huebi> esden: Wer will dass?
22:01 < esden> ok ... wie wollen wir dann beschreiben wie die leute auf gnome2 updaten sollen ?
22:01 < esden> aber ich habe ne idee
22:01 < esden> download the rock source from ...
22:01 < esden> then unpack it
22:01 < chrisime> esden: ach, gibt noch kein 1.6?
22:01 < huebi> wenn ihr alle 1.5 halbfertig stehen laesst und am 1.7 rumbastelt, wird 1.6 so schnell nicht rauskommen!
22:01 < esden> then download gnome sources
22:02 < chrisime> wow, ihr habt das gleiche prob das gnome mit 1.4.1 hatte
22:02 < esden> then run ./scripts/Build-Pkg gnome2
22:02 < chrisime> das kam auch erst vor kurzem raus
22:02 < esden> aber dass ist nicht alles ... leider 
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22:02 < chrisime> esden: just create a short html file which explains how to install gnome2 
22:02 < esden> ok ... hehe 
22:02 < chrisime> either on rock1.5 or 1.7
22:03 < esden> download gnome sources ... install them ready 
22:03 -!- Freak [freak@pD95307D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
22:03 * -> esden testing ... gnome update
22:03 -!- Freak [freak@pD95307D9.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Remote closed the connection)
22:03 < fake> chrisime: there is no official installation outside the development chambers of Rock 1.7
22:03 < huebi> 1.6 kommt erst raus, wenn _alles_ stabil ist.
22:03 < fake> as there are no CDs/ISOSs yet.
22:04 < chrisime> fake: also, kein off. gnome2 fuer 1.5 und 1.7?
22:04 < chrisime> schoen langsam kapier ich nix mehr
22:04 < fake> chrisime: DOCH!
22:04 < fake> chrisime: ich bin 1.7. in 1.7 wird es standardmaessig kompiliert. -punkt-
22:05 < fake> chrisime: wir haben fuer 1.7 allerdings uns noch nicht auf ein paketformat festgelegt und auch noch kein install-system.
22:05 < huebi> 22:03 < fake> as there are no CDs/ISOSs yet.
22:05 < fake> chrisime: deswegen gibte s von 1.7 auch noch keine releases.
22:05 < huebi> 22:03 < fake> as there are no CDs/ISOSs yet. <- bloedsinn!
22:05 < fake> nur development snapshots.
22:05 < chrisime> fake: aja
22:06 < chrisime> hab esden gsagt, ihr sollt debian-package sys adoptieren
22:06 < chrisime> das is gut
22:06 < fake> chrisime: dRock - a branch of 1.5 Rock has reached Version 1.6 a while a go.
22:06 < chrisime> dRock == ?
22:06 < fake> rxr is dafuer zustaendig/verantwortlich
22:06 < fake> dRock == Rock 1.5 adopted and a bite desktopified by rxr.
22:07 < huebi> 22:06 < fake> chrisime: dRock - a branch of 1.5 Rock has reached Version 1.6 a while a go.
22:07 < huebi> 22:06 < fake> chrisime: dRock - a branch of 1.5 Rock has reached Version 1.6 a while a go. <FALSCH!
22:07 < chrisime> ihr wiederholt euch ;-)
22:08 < fake> huebi; Desktop ROCK Linux 1.6 - hab ich sogar runtergeladen... ?
22:08 < huebi> Desktop ROCK Linux != ROCK Linux
22:08 < fake> https://www.rocklinux.de/projects/drock/1.6.0.html
22:08 < th> schon weil rock ja ne metadist is ;->
22:08 < fake> ja.... ein target vonr ROCK ;P
22:08 < esden> hmm .. ich glaube dass hier was ich mache macht wenig sinn ... nachdenk ...
22:09 < th> esden: was tust du?
22:09 < esden> dass muesste ausgearbeitet werden wie wir mit sowas umgehen .. wie updates ...
22:09 < chrisime> *sigh*
22:09 < esden> chrisime: nicht verwirren lassen ...
22:09 < fake> huebi: oh. 1.6.0 is not yet released.
22:09 < fake> huebi: you are right.
22:09 < chrisime> esden: gibts gnome2 fuer 1.6?
22:09 < chrisime> das wuerde mir reichen
22:10 < fake> chrisime: just link to the webpage... i can only promise you that gnome2 is standard in Rock 1.7
22:10 < esden> th: ich ueberlege gerade wie man eine beschreibung basteln koennte wie rockilnux auf gnome2 upgedatet werden kann
22:10 < th> esden: oum
22:10 < th> esden: ich mag ion ;)
22:10 < chrisime> geht gnome2 auch mit 1.6pre?
22:10 < esden> chrisime: ja gibt es 
22:10 < chrisime> oder nur 1.7?
22:10 < chrisime> ok
22:10 < fake> *seufz*
22:10 < chrisime> dann geb ich https://www.rocklinux.de/projects/drock/1.6.0.html + www.rocklinux.org/getting.html an
22:10 < fake> chrisime: man KANN auch auf 1.5
22:10 < fake> allerdings muss erst jmd. die pakete bauen...
22:11 < chrisime> any objections?
22:11 < fake> nein die erste nich
22:11 < fake> nur die letztere....
22:11 < chrisime> die erste?
22:11 < chrisime> letzte?
22:11 < chrisime> welche nun?
22:11 < fake> die erstere reiste besagt: "1.6.0 is not yet released."
22:11 < esden> chrisime: ja nur www.rocklinux.org/getting.html linken
22:11 < fake> seite
22:11 < esden> chrisime: dass reicht
22:11 < esden> finde ich ...
22:12 < huebi> chrisime: gnome2 kann es fuer 1.6 geben, wenn irgend jemand sich endlich mal die Muehe macht und den 1.7er Kram backportet. Wir haben im Moment nur eine sehr veraltete 1.4.0 oder 1.4.1. Der Rest ist, und wenn das hier so weiter geht, wird auch nicht in der naechsten 6 Monaten released!!!!
22:12 < chrisime> aja
22:12 < chrisime> ok
22:12 < chrisime> ich sags drfickle
22:12 * huebi ist sauer!
22:13 < fake> huebi: was soll ich tun? bis ich mich in 1.5 eingearbeitet hab...
22:13 < esden> huebi: ich mache jetzt auch wieder an 1.5 ich werde mein bestes tun ...
22:14 < chrisime> oh, das n chaos hier ;-)
22:14 < esden> chrisime: ja ... immer 
22:14 < esden> aber wir kennen uns einiegermassen aus dass reicht ...
22:14 < huebi> Ich stecke neben meiner Arbeit jeden Tag mindestens 6h in ROCK 1.5. Wenn die extensions nicht alle funktionieren, dann auch keine Release! Da gibt es maintainer, die ihren schrott einfach so stehen lassen. Das ist keine distribution!
22:14 * chrisime is fscking confused now
22:15 < huebi> Die Home page von ROCK ist fuer den Arsch! nichts zu finden! Die darf man niemanden zeigen!
22:16 < esden> huebi: keine panik ... dann machen wird dass die reliable sind ... ich muss aber pruefungen schreiben ... und an dem alpha port auch basteln .. dietlibc muss ich auch machen ... und installdisks auch  .... 
22:16 < esden> s/wird/wir/
22:16 < esden> chrisime: lassmas 
22:16 < huebi> esden: Ich mache hier dei maintainership _und_ den sparc64 port.
22:17 < huebi> alph kommt diese woche auch noch dazu.
22:17 < huebi> +a
22:17 < esden> ich glaube dass ist besser dass wir noch im hintergrund bleiben solange wir keine struktur hier reinbekommen haben
22:17 < esden> huebi: du willst jetzt an alpha basteln ?
22:17 < huebi> esden: Nein. Ich werde das nur testen. das reicht schon.
22:18 < esden> huebi: ja .. ok
22:18 < esden> ich habe schon gedacht du willst dich spalten ...
22:18 < esden> ;-)
22:19 < esden> naja ... dass tust jetzt auch schon ...
22:19 < fake> nochmal ?
22:19 < chrisime> esden: huh?
22:19 < esden> fake: ????
22:19 < fake> nochmal spalten (huebi)
22:20 < esden> chrisime: ??? 
22:20 < huebi> und als aller erstes brauchen wir jemand der nur die HP macht. www.rocklinux.net ist seit 2 Tagen platt. Und das design, nicht das Aussehen, muss nun endlich mal entworfen werden.
22:20 < esden> naja ... ich gehe mal auf die natalie ... und versuche mal paar bugs zu fressen
22:20 < bluefire> Ich hab zwar nix zu sagen und so, aber ich glaub die Website zumindest benutzbar zu machen ist so einer der Punkte die ich für am wichtigsten halten würde. Danach ISO Images und dann der Rest.
22:20 < esden> huebi: dass macht einer ...
22:21 < huebi> bluefire: ACK!
22:21 < esden> aber ... vielleicht sollten es mehr leute sein ...
22:21 < chrisime> esden: ich denk mal dass rocklinux auch draufkommt
22:21 < chrisime> drfickle arbeitet dran
22:21 < esden> chrisime: ok ...
22:22 < esden> huebi: soll ich mich wieder hinsetzen und die seite nicht redesignen sondern umsortieren ?
22:22 < huebi> esden: Nur ! Person fuer die HP und niemals mehr. Sonst wird das nichts.
22:22 < esden> ich habe zwar keine zeit ... aber ...
22:23 < huebi> esden: Ich stelle mir eine einzige Person vor, die nur und ausschliesslich die HP macht.
22:23 < esden> zauber eine her ...
22:23 < chrisime> je laenger die liste desto besser fuer gnome, und wenn rocklinux dabei, ein grund dass mehr leute rocklinux ueberhaupt entdekcne
22:24 < chrisime> decken
22:24 < huebi>  __________________ 
22:24 < huebi> < Ich mach' die HP >
22:24 < huebi>  ------------------ 
22:24 < huebi>         \   ^__^
22:24 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
22:24 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:24 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:24 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:24 < fake> Mathilda the WebMaster Cow
22:24 < huebi> chrisime: ACK
22:24 < tsa> argh
22:25 < huebi> chrisime: Ich habe die naechsten 2 Wochen nur fuer ROCK Linux reserviert. Ich sehe zu, das gnome2 dann auch ROCK 1.5 portiert wird.
22:26 < bluefire> Die Webmaster sind immer die gear...ten.. Wenn man was macht und stolz drauf ist, dann passts keinem. Wenn man versucht es den Leuten recht zu machen kommt schei..e dabei raus.
22:27 < huebi> bluefire: Deshalb bekommt der Webmaster, wenn das Aussehen und die Struktur der site stehen, absolute Vollmacht ueber die Seite. 
22:27 < huebi> Deshalb auch nur eine Person.
22:27 < chrisime> huebi: okok
22:28 < huebi> Die Anderen koennen/sollen/duerfen/muessen beim Entwurf beitragen. Wenn die Site steht, hat nur noch der Webmaster was zu sagen. Alle anderen machen nur noch Inhalte.
22:30 < huebi> bluefire: Willst du der neue Webmaster sein?
22:30 < uninvited> ?
22:30 < huebi> uninvited: jo?
22:31 < bluefire> huebi: ich bin nicht wirklich masochistisch veranlagt
22:31 < huebi> Dann macht es wohl "Mathilda the WebCowMaster" *eg*
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22:31 < bluefire> huebi: Ich hab momental C++(evtl Fresco) und gtk-gnutella auf meinem Speiseplan stehen
22:31 < esden> der webmasten muss jemand mit starken nerven sein ...
22:32 < huebi> Mathilda hat fingerdicke Nerven.
22:33 < fake> hm... webmaster...
22:33 < fake> eh-eh.
22:34 < huebi> wer in 3 sekunden nichts gesagt hat ist WebMeister! hehe
22:34 < bluefire> hehe
22:34 < huebi> .
22:34 < fake> -
22:34 < huebi> esden isses!
22:34 < fake> esden hat nicht "nichts" gesagt?
22:35 < fake> Mathilda hat auch nichts gesagt.
22:35 < bluefire> Ich glaub ne Menge Leute hamm nix gesagt
22:35 < huebi> Hat hier wirklich keiner Lust dazu?
22:35 < esden> toll
22:35 < bluefire> Es ist weniger die Lust als die Qualifikation und die Arschlochkarte :)
22:36 < fake> ich bin eh mehr fuer eine WebMistress
22:36 < esden> huebi: ich wuerde es machen ...
22:36 < fake> aber esden ist kein designer
22:36 * bluefire ist quasi webmaster in Firma
22:36 < esden> fake: design ist scheiss egal
22:36 < huebi> esden: Dunkelblau auf schwarz geht nicht.
22:36 < bluefire> Die Designer machen eh nur shit
22:36 < esden> es geht um inhalt
22:36 < uninvited> ;-)
22:36 < fake> esden: du hast doch keine ZEIT!!!
22:36 < uninvited> Geile Diskussion !
22:36 < esden> ja habe ich nicht
22:36 < bluefire> Inhalt ist auch nicht Sache vom Webmaster
22:36 < huebi>  __________________ 
22:36 < huebi> < Ich mach' die HP >
22:36 < huebi>  ------------------ 
22:36 < huebi>         \   ^__^
22:36 < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
22:36 < esden> aber irgendjemand muss es machen
22:36 < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
22:37 < huebi>                 ||----w |
22:37 < huebi>                 ||     ||
22:37 < huebi>  
22:37 < esden> wenn alle keiner dass macht ... wer sonnst ... 
22:37 < esden> argh 
22:37 * -> esden ist jetzt auch 300 ... 180 waehre zu wenig
22:37 < bluefire> Wie wärs den mit nem WikiWiki für ROCK. Das passt am besten zu dem Chaos hier
22:38 < fake> WikiWiki ? Hey Hey Wiki...
22:38 < h0h0> hehe
22:38 < huebi> esden: fake hat recht. Du hast keine zeit oder, um es anders auszudruecken - wichtigeres zu tun.
22:38 < h0h0> Wie wars den mit nem WikiWiki fur ROCK. looks lo funney when I cant understand it
22:38 < h0h0> except for WikiWiki
22:38 < fake> die wikinger... kommt spannt das segel an...
22:39 < uninvited> nananaaaaaaaaaaaaaanaaaaa
22:39 < fake> esden: we need a groupie.
22:39 < bluefire> h0h0: translation: What about a WikiWikiWeb for the ROCK website. It mirrors the chaos in this channel pretty well
22:39 < h0h0> its more funney untranslated
22:39 < h0h0> funnier
22:40 < uninvited> Groupies ?
22:40 < bluefire> Was hat der Webserver eigentlich für möglichkeiten?
22:41 < uninvited> Ihr braucht potenzielles Groupiematerial _
22:41 < huebi> LAMMPPP
22:41 < uninvited> ?
22:41 < bluefire> CGI, php, python, zope?
22:41 < uninvited> BAMP !
22:41 < h0h0> groupiematerial
22:41 < uninvited> Ich koennte da schon groupiematerial bereit machen ;-)
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22:42 < esden> huebi: ja ich habe zu tun ... viel zu tun ... aber wer macht die homepage dann .. dem man auch vertrauen kann dass er es macht
22:43 < esden> mir ist dass design im momment scheiss egal ... wir brauchen struktur in den seiten ... und infos die up to date sind
22:43 < fake> esden: du musst auch delegieren koennen. nur weil du es nicht selbermachst heisst das nicht dass es schlecht wird.,
22:43 < esden> der clifford hat auch zu wenig zeit
22:43 < bluefire> esden: Naja... viel schlimmer als es schon ist kann mans ja kaum machen.
22:43 < esden> bluefire: ich weiss ... 
22:44 < esden> der clifford hat kaum zeit ... und bestimmt kein bock dass zu machen
22:44 < bluefire> Ich könnte mir's mal ansehen, aber versprechen würd ich erstmal nix. Ihr habt ja teilweise selbst keinen Plan was wo liegt und was überhaupt existiert.
22:44 < fake> esden: abusing das theme-system vom bchat - solange bis wir uns auf ein design einigen koennen...
22:44 < esden> was ist mit jocelin .. die hat doch zugang zu den seiten ...
22:44 < uninvited> LOL
22:44 < fake> dann koennen wir die inhalte eintrichtern... und das design on-the-fly aendern
22:44 < esden> fake: rofl ... ja dass stimmt ... aber dazu braucht man php ... und cliff will es nicht ... >_<
22:45 * -> esden hat lust amok zu laufen 
22:45 < fake> esden: call on the mailinglist
22:45 < esden> fake: rofl ... alsob dass was bringen wuerde ...
22:45 < bluefire> php ist nicht die einzige Sprache für dynamische Seiten.
22:45 < esden> aber ich kann schon was schreiben ...
22:45 < uninvited> Na gut, viel spass noch. Ich geh poppen ;-)
22:45 < esden> ich werde dann zwar geflamed ... aber scheiss drauf
22:45 < esden> cu uni viel spass
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22:47 < huebi> Keiner, der an ROCK Linux irgend etwas entwickelt kann die Seiten machen. Dies Leute haben naemlich "keine Zeit"
22:47 < tsa> hehe
22:47 < esden> huebi: stimmt
22:48 < huebi> Wir brauchen auch jemanden, der ueberhaupt keine Lust hat an ROCK Linux zu entwickeln, sonst hat diese Person auch "keine Zeit"
22:49 < esden> argh .. f*** ich bin sooo bloed ...
22:49 < esden> ich habe _nodel_ vergessen 
22:49 < fake> huebi: ACK /keine Zeit\
22:49 < huebi> Sondern jemanden, der sich mit einer richtig tollen Site ins rechte Licht ruecken will.
22:49 < fake> huebi: Cliff's freundin?
22:50 < fake> a. bloede idee...
22:50 < huebi> * esden hat gerade noch weniger Zeit bekommen 
22:50 < esden> huebi ... ich werde die rock scripte umbauen so dass die sachen standardmaessig nicht geloescht werden ... und wenn du aufreumen willst musst cleanup script per hand laufen lassen
22:50 < esden> ist dass ok ?
22:50 < huebi> esden: oK MACHE ES BITTE.
22:50 < esden> so wird es in 1.7 gemacht dass ist gut finde ich
22:50 < esden> huebi: kk wird sofort gemacht
22:51 < tsa> kk?
22:51 < fake> == 01:00:37 =[1]=> Building base/gcc3 [cvs 1.7.0-DEV-200206232227].
22:51 < fake> man bemerke die version.
22:51 < term_aweh> good night
22:51 < huebi> fake: der ist ja noch pre-Alpha...
22:51 < tsa> hm..
22:51 < fake> night term_aweh 
22:51 < mike1> n8 term_aweh
22:52 < huebi> cu term_aweh 
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22:52 < tsa> abwarten, ob der auch wirklich baut..
22:52 < fake> huebi: gcc 3.1 ausm cvs?
22:52 < fake> 3.1.1
22:52 < tsa> gcc cvs *grusel*
22:52 < tsa> wer macht denn sowas?
22:52 < fake> ich brauche fuer den mips port gcc cvs und glibc cvs
22:52 < fake> oder 2 MB patches 
22:53 < huebi> fake: kidding ;-))
22:53 < fake> ( diff gcc gcc-cvs > gcc-works-on-mips.patch.mips )
22:53 < fake> ;-)
22:55 < fake> Bad arg length for Socket::unpack_sockaddr_in, length is 4095, should be 16 at /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1/Socket.pm line 156, <COLOR> line 349827.
22:55 < fake> @esden
22:55 < fake>  * esden hat gerade noch weniger Zeit bekommen
22:56 < fake> https://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/
22:56 < fake> (!!)
22:56 < fake> Rock Linux (development snapshots)
22:57 < esden>  ** Testing **
22:57 < esden> Free Disk Space: 6979 MB -> ok.
22:57 < esden> Note: This version of rock is no more running Cleanup at default
22:57 < esden>       to clean up run ./scripts/Cleanup explicitly.
22:57 < esden>  ** Building Stage 1 **
22:57 < esden> is it ok ?
22:57 < huebi> esden: jo.
22:58 < huebi> gibt es irgend ein script um bind neue adressen beizubringen?
22:58 < fake> festbind.sh
22:58 < fake> ;-)
22:58 < huebi> hihi
22:58 < huebi> *rofl*
22:59 < tsa> echo "blah in a 127.0.0.1" >> zonefile ?
23:00 < fake> Cleanup !by! default @ esden
23:00 < fake> no longer
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23:00 < huebi> tsa: jo sowas..
23:01 < esden> fake: yes please correct this sentence ... 
23:01 * -> esden ok correcting
23:01 < fake> Note: This version of rock is no longer running Cleanup by default.
23:02 < fake> und remove das explicitly.
23:05 < esden> done
23:05 < tsa> huebi: hm...seh' ich keine verwendung fuer....vi zonefile ist definitiv einfacher...
23:06 < esden> huebi: ci done
23:07 < huebi> esden: danke
23:07 < esden> huebi: bitte ... _SEHR_ gern geschehen ;-)
23:08 < huebi> tsa: So habe ich das bisher auch immer gemacht. Ich habe irgendwann mal webmin benutzt, und der hat dann meine seeheim.lan.db und 192.168.100.rev gleichzeitig geupdeted
23:08 < esden> huebi: I hope that this change is not braking anything ... you are allowed to kill me if I broke something ;-)
23:08 * huebi searchind for micro nukes...
23:09 * huebi found a big one ...
23:09 < huebi> ;-))))))
23:09 < esden> argh fsck ... now I have to wait for 2 hours for this fscking glibc ... argh ... glibc is so terribly bloted ... I hate this fscking crap #$%^!@$@%@#%
23:09 < huebi> esden: I'll never kill you. I just ripp your time ...
23:09 < esden> huebi: that is ok too ;-)
23:10 < esden> but I need my time :-(
23:10 < huebi> *g*
23:10 < esden> but what the hell ... I do (nearly) everything for you ;-)
23:11 < fake> from somwhere i here voices shouting: blow-job! blow-job!
23:11 < esden> woot woot /rock-linux/dist/usr/include/linux/autoconf.h is there ... *jump* 
23:12 < esden> fake: ??? do you need one ? shell I come by ? ;-)
23:12 < esden> with drachi ?
23:12 < esden> ;-)
23:12 < fake> esden: no. definitely: _noblow_
23:13 < esden> ok ... 
23:13 < esden> :P
23:13 * tsa wondering..
23:13 < fake> tsa: 'bout what?
23:14 * -> esden editing the alpha site
23:14 < tsa> fake: esden, you and blowjobs..
23:15 < esden> tsa: I am always blowing in my computer so that the processor does not get too hot ... from compiling all the time ...
23:16 * fake is no computer
23:16 < fake> not yet
23:16 < fake> unfortunately.
23:19 < esden> fake: get to the wired ;-)
23:20 < esden> or how it is being spelled ...
23:20 * -> esden needs a spellchecker for irc
23:21 < fake> esden: bin ich doch schon....
23:21 < esden> is there a tool that can show the io usage of a machine ?
23:22 < fake> we are all conected
23:22 < fake> esden: psmisc
23:22 < fake> or sysstat
23:22 < fake> gives you solaris-like iostat
23:22 < fake> sysstat is the official name i think
23:22 < esden> ok ... freshmeat ?
23:23 < fake> have a look
23:23 < fake> kannst auch nach iostat suchen
23:24 < esden> hmm ... we are on the site : https://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/
23:24 < esden> fake: will do
23:24 < huebi>  /etc/init.d/nfsd stop - must be fixed. does not kill all processes
23:24 < fake> esden: as i already mentioned before, yes.
23:25 < huebi> fake: sysstat 4.0.x
23:26 < fake> 
23:29 < esden> fake: ok sorry ... #-|
23:30 * -> esden installing sysstat
23:35 * huebi playing with Krups
23:35 < esden> ok sysstat working ... 
23:36 < fake> iostat <interval>
23:36 < fake> i love that tool
23:37 < fake> esden: try sar
23:37 < fake> "sar"
23:38 < fake> a backlog of system events
23:38 < esden> Cannot open /var/log/sa/sa27: No such file or directory
23:38 < esden> ???
23:38 < fake> hast du den sad laufen?
23:38 < fake> daemon...
23:39 < esden> hmm ... /me not finding the sad binary
23:43 < esden> hmm it is called sadc
23:43 < esden> ..
23:44 < fake> oh, sorry...
23:46 < esden> fake: np
23:46 < mike1> cu
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23:52 < fake> gcc cvs building...
23:55 < fake> esden: was machst du samstag abend?
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23:57 < tsa_> re
23:57 < fake> hi tsa______
23:57 < holyolli> re tsa
23:57 < fake> tsa-mit-fussabstreifer.
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23:59 < tsa__> grrr.
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