-!- Irrsi  Log opened Thu Jun 27 00:00:25 2002
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[00:06] < huebi> re
[00:06] < huebi> MoeP!
[00:07] < tsa> hi huebi
[00:07] < tsa> n8 *
[00:07] < huebi> n8 tsa
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[00:08] < fake> re huebi!
[00:08] < huebi> hi fake
[00:08] < huebi> The visit in the harddisk manufacturing facility of IBM was really kool
[00:09] < mike1> hi huebi
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[00:11] < fake> huebi: ripped any parts from them? *g
[00:15] < mike1> huebi: did you update to openssh 3.4p1?
[00:16] < huebi> mike1: I just want to do that now...
[00:16] < mike1> huebi: please do let me know it works for you
[00:16] < mike1> i did compile and install no problem
[00:16] < huebi> fake: They just produce disks and heads. No complete drives.
[00:17] < mike1> except it tells me that the sshd user priviled does not exist
[00:17] < mike1> funny thing is it does
[00:17] < fake> huebi: aww :(
[00:17] < mike1> so even if i have sshd running it wont let me loggin
[00:17] < mike1> :((
[00:17] < fake> huebi: when will you send the krups? whenwhenwhen?? *cantawaitit*
[00:18] < huebi> fake: But there is everything you want to have to play with: E15K all sorts of e690, sharks
[00:19] < huebi> fake: On friday, but perhaps tomorrow. but that's not sure
[00:19] < fake> an E15k at IBM?
[00:20] < huebi> fake: exact and ciscos and HP's and Alpha servers and ... You name it...
[00:21] < huebi> thick bundles of fibre optics everywhere...
[00:23] < fake> huebi: sounds like a nice flat. how much is it monthly? ;-)))
[00:24] < mike1> huebi: ok damn output confused me
[00:24] < mike1> https://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=openssh-unix-dev&m=102512432905447&w=2
[00:25] < mike1> huebi: still you have any idea of why doesnt my sshd allow me to login?
[00:25] < huebi> mike1: I have to test it. I'll see that tomorrow..
[00:26] < mike1> huebi: ok
[00:31]   fake translocates himself into bed
[00:31] < fake> *using_stone_of_recall*
[00:31] < fake> *WUUUUSH*
[00:32] < huebi> fake: n8, schlaf gut ;-))
[00:32] < fake> danke ;)
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[00:46]   owl will leave this place. :/
[00:46] < owl> g8
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[00:49] < holyolli> re
[00:50] < mike1> re holyolli
[00:50] < holyolli> hi mike1
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[01:18] < huebi> cu
[01:18] < huebi> good night
[01:19] < mike1> bye huebi
[01:47] < mike1> cu
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[07:02] < fake> ...
[07:02] < fake> moin.
[07:04] < fake> und wech...
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[07:51] < huebi> moin
[07:57] < SMP> jo
[07:57] < SMP> hi huebi
[08:00] < huebi> moin SMP
[08:01] < huebi> und wech
[08:01] < huebi> bis spaeter
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[08:39] < igel> moin
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[09:26] < [anders]> re
[09:30] < [anders]> huebi: u around?
[09:41] < huebi> [anders]: jo re MoeP! moin ;-))
[09:41] < [anders]> hehehe
[09:42] < [anders]> huebi: I had to remove the bit with libncurses from bash yesterday..
[09:42] < [anders]> the system would not boot afterwards as libncurses is located in /usr/lib and not in /lib
[09:42] < [anders]> so bash is back to being 7bit..
[09:42] < huebi> Ah OK.
[09:43] < [anders]> here in irssi I can easily do "åäöüç"
[09:44] < huebi> [anders]: you are working for the IBM storage division in England, aren't you?
[09:44] < [anders]> but those chars in the plain shell doesn't work as well.. :-/
[09:44] < [anders]> yeah..
[09:44] < [anders]> I work in the build team..
[09:44] < huebi> I've been to the Total Storage Interoperability Center in Mainz last evening
[09:45] < [anders]> (wo got a nice quad 1.6GHz Xeon box with 2GB RAM and FibreChannel attached disks...)
[09:45] < [anders]> huebi: Aaahh... They should know about what we are working on..
[09:45] < huebi> build team? - creating new types of huge storage?
[09:45] < [anders]> there was talks about one of our guys going over to them
[09:46] < [anders]> no, build team sits between dev. team and test tesm. We take code from dev. team, build it and do acceptance testing on it, if we are happy, we release it to test..
[09:47] < [anders]> but yes, our division would work on new types of huge storage.. :)
[09:47] < huebi> I see.
[09:48] < [anders]> !xmodmap .Xmodmap
[09:48] < [anders]> erk..
[09:48] < huebi> It was very interesting to see, or better what can be seen, the production of the disks inside a harddrive.
[09:48] < [anders]> Okay, irssi doesn't xlate ! into 'do this in a shell'
[09:49] < huebi> /exec
[09:49] < huebi> ?
[09:49] < [anders]> could be...
[09:50] < [anders]> worked.. :)
[09:50] < huebi> ;-))
[09:50] < [anders]> Aaahh.. I now have some nice keymappings.. :)
[09:50] < [anders]> åäö¤ easily accessible..
[09:50] < huebi> nice
[09:51] < huebi> I'm just testing openssh 3.4p1
[09:51] < [anders]> installed it last night at about BST 21:00
[09:53] < [anders]> I know it was released after BST 17:00
[09:54] < huebi> [anders]: I was too tired for doing it right ;( at 22:30 BST
[09:55] < [anders]> huebi: easy to do in ROCK 1.4.. update the openssh.pz, put the archive in pkg-archive, run Puzzle and Build-Pkg.. :)
[09:55] < [anders]> Surely it hasn't got harder to do in later releases?
[09:58] < huebi> [anders]: SMP made the update to use PrivSep in 3.3 now it's also as easy as in 1.4
[09:58] < huebi> but with PrivSep
[09:58] < [anders]> huebi: good stuff.. I am getting part delivery today of the kit for my new box, so by next week I should be able to DL snapshots and build them..
[09:59] < huebi> [anders]: Sound good ;-)
[09:59] < huebi> +s
[10:02] < [anders]> Yeah.. Looking forward to getting it up and running. :)
[10:04] < huebi> Perhaps I can get an AlphaStation from Ripclaw tomorrow for testing the alpha port. I just need some RAM for it. But that should not be the Problem.
[10:06] < [anders]> so what would be the Problem with the Alpha then?
[10:08] < huebi> The problem could be to really get it before Ripclaw disappears into the weekend.
[10:11] < [anders]> ah
[10:11] < [anders]> yes, that could be a problem.. :)
[10:12] < huebi> I just updated openssl / openssh. testing...
[10:12] < huebi> here on my local box
[10:13] < [anders]> openssl? is there a new release of that?
[10:13] < SMP> sshd on ella is kinda down? ;)
[10:16] < huebi> SMP: jo. I just mentioned, too. And my wife is not at home ;(
[10:16] < SMP> ah well
[10:16] < SMP> how far is the build on rock through?
[10:17] < SMP> hmm EGRAMMAR ;)
[10:17] < huebi> SMP: I call here when she is reachable again. She will start sshd when she comes back home
[10:19] < huebi> SMP: The whole build needs about 30h on rock. The build should be finished now
[10:19] < SMP> good
[10:19] < SMP> are you going to publish an ISO?
[10:21] < huebi> SMP: yes, of course. And the build of a bootable ISO is just work and not a big problem I suppose
[10:22] < [anders]> ho'hum... time to poke around in a RedHat Kickstart flöppy....
[10:22] < huebi> [anders]: o_O
[10:23] < huebi> [anders]: Perhaps you should better have a very close look at the kickstart config file.
[10:24] < [anders]> huebi: Yep.. the kickstart we use here in UK works, the one in US doesn't.. go figure.. ;-)
[10:24] < SMP> hmm funny
[10:24] < SMP> ssh doesn't work when logged on at /dev/console at the JavaStation
[10:25] < huebi> [anders]: Exact the same distribution and KS floppy?
[10:25] < SMP> log in at vc/2 or start a screen (-> pty) makes it work
[10:25] < huebi> SMP: interesting...
[10:26] < [anders]> huebi: Yeah.. RH72.. I figure they have tampered with the KS floppy..
[10:27] < SMP> huebi: do we have a working strace on sparc?
[10:27] < huebi> SMP: I think there was a problem. But I'm not shure about it.
[10:31] < [anders]> well, if they actually had been using a KS floppy it might have been easier to troubleshoot...
[10:33] < SMP> okay..
[10:33] < SMP> -rw-r--r--   1 stefanp  users    53595846 Jun 26 19:38 sparc-root.tar.bz2
[10:33] < SMP> -rw-r--r--   1 stefanp  users       32774 Jun 27 10:33 sparc-root-update.tar.bz2
[10:33] < SMP> these are at world:~stefanp/
[10:33] < SMP> it's the nfsroot I use for the Krups
[10:34] < huebi> SMP: dankö ;-))
[10:34] < SMP> th: get world:~stefanp/sparc-root-update.tar.bz2
[10:35] < SMP> huebi: I'll upgrade it to 1.5.16 with the build from rock one the ISO is out
[10:36] < SMP> huebi: the current root is ripped from the system currently running on rock ;-}
[10:36] < SMP> and when I've upgraded it, there will be XFree I suppose
[10:37] < huebi> SMP: kool.
[10:37] < huebi> The system on fels should allmost be 1.5.16
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[10:38]   SMP wonders how long a build on the Krups would take ;->
[10:39] < SMP> I'd say, 1 to 1.5 weeks
[10:39] < huebi> 1 week
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[10:51] < bluefire> Moin
[10:51] < huebi> moin bluefire ;-)
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[11:04] < SMP> hmmmm
[11:06] < [anders]> figured out why the kickstart flöppy didn't work..
[11:06] < [anders]> it wasn't a KS floppy.. :-D
[11:08] < SMP> *YESSSS*
[11:08] < SMP> /dev/root on / type nfs (rw,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192,hard,udp,nolock,addr=80.65.32.162)
[11:09] < SMP> nfsroot via NFSv3 plus larger blocks
[11:09] < SMP> in dhcpd.conf:
[11:09] < SMP> option root-path "/tftpboot/js/charlotte,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192";
[11:09] < SMP> übercool
[11:14] < huebi> SMP: jo, übercool ;-))
[11:15] < huebi> SMP: how did you find that out?
[11:15] < huebi> [anders]: *grin*
[11:15] < SMP> huebi: reading /usr/src/linux/fs/nfs/nfsroot.c
[11:22] < huebi> SMP: How did you did the idea of the larger blocks?
[11:24] < SMP> I've been setting rsize and wsize ever since Linux had a half-decent NFS client *shrug* ;)
[11:24] < SMP> the problem was only how to pass this to the kernel when netbooting it via PROLL
[11:25] < SMP> and for the root-fs. any other mounts can go via fstab
[11:26] < huebi> <- now also man dhcpd.conf - I start to understand ;-))
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[11:27] < SMP> I did a setup with diskless Linux workstations (that could also boot W2k from local HD) for my school shortly after I left it
[11:28] < SMP> I have a litte bit of an idea about netbooting ;-}
[11:29] < huebi> SMP: not only a little bit... :-) Now I understood enough to reproduce i. You did a very nice job. :-)))
[11:32] < huebi> Thank You.
[11:36] < huebi> I had a look at openSSH 3.4p1 for ROCK Linux. The directory /var/empty is missing in the newly build package. I'll have a look at it later at about 16:30 GMT.
[11:36] < SMP> that's because /var/empty is in 00-dirtree
[11:37] < SMP> it's not specific to sshd
[11:37] < SMP> any daemon using privsep can use it
[11:37] < SMP> vsftpd e.g. ;)
[11:38] < huebi> SMP: Shouldn't it generated vwith /etc/setup.d/50-sshd if it is missing? Better for upgrades, I think.
[11:38] < huebi> +be
[11:38] < SMP> huebi: /exec grep empty /etc/vsftpd*
[11:39] < huebi> Ah. ok
[11:39] < SMP> the problem is, the sshd setup script doesn't get invoked for pkg-update
[11:41] < huebi> well, I did a pkg-remove and then a pkg-install
[11:42] < huebi> Is there a way to invoke the setup script automaticaly?
[11:44] < SMP> pkg-install calls the setup scripts with 'update' as the argument
[11:44] < huebi> Thank you.
[11:44] < SMP> now, looking at the sshd script, we see..
[11:45] < SMP> case "$1" in
[11:45] < SMP> setup) ;;
[11:45] < SMP> [a-z]*) ;;
[11:45] < SMP> esac
[11:45] < SMP> ehm
[11:45] < SMP> [a-z]*) exit 0 ;;
[11:46] < SMP> so one would have to change the script to run when called with 'update'
[11:47]   SMP thinking about what tasks would be appropriate to run for the 'update' case
[11:50]   SMP rewriting sshd.setup
[11:55] < SMP> hmmm
[11:56] < SMP> the problem is:
[11:57] < SMP> it would be logical to not only create /var/empty if it is missing, but also to create sshd user and group
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[11:57] < SMP> but a script running in 'update' mode is not allowed to be interactive
[11:57] < huebi> SMP: user and group is still done IIRC
[11:57] < thalerim> moin
[11:57] < huebi> hi th
[11:57] < thalerim> huebi: is there a bugtracking system for 1.5?
[11:57] < huebi> hi thalerim
[11:58] < SMP> so we cannot ask the user if that is ok for him
[11:58] < SMP> and if we cannot ask, we must not do it anyway
[11:58] < huebi> thalerim: only the mailing list.
[11:59] < thalerim> huebi: i assume you run 1.5.16, don't you?
[11:59] < SMP> does sshd with privsep On work when /var/empty is missing?
[11:59] < huebi> SMP: No, it doesn't
[12:00] < huebi> SMP: /etc/init.d/sshd start
[12:00] < thalerim> huebi: take a look:
[12:00] < huebi> SMP: /var/empty is missing
[12:00] < thalerim> $ ls -l /lib/libshadow.*
[12:00] < thalerim> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        61200 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.a
[12:00] < thalerim> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          673 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.la
[12:00] < thalerim> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Jun 26 01:38 /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0
[12:00] < huebi> /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0
[12:00] < huebi> /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0 <- must be deleted
[12:00] < SMP> well that's kinda good in that case
[12:01] < thalerim> huebi: ldconfig complains the missing libshadow.so - where must I link to ?
[12:03] < SMP> so if we follow the ROCK guidelines, we cannot just do things in the sshd setup script without asking
[12:03] < SMP> even if that leaves sshd not working
[12:03] < huebi> grep -rl "/lib/libshadow.so" /var/adm/* <- does not find anything on:
[12:03] < huebi> ROCK Linux 1.5.13 intel (native, 2002/02/05)
[12:03] < SMP> huebi: paths in flists are relative to /
[12:03] < SMP> do grep lib/libshadow
[12:04] < huebi> SMP: Ack! Can we invoke an interactive script?
[12:04] < thalerim> huebi: so the pkg seems to be fu##ed up?
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[12:04] < holyolli> moin
[12:04] < huebi> thalerim: /var/adm/flists/shadow
[12:04] < SMP> huebi: no, we can't. /etc/setup.d/00-general says scripts running 'update' must not be interactive
[12:04] < [anders]> re holyolli
[12:04] < holyolli> hi anders
[12:05] < thalerim> cannot, am running winblows
[12:05] < huebi> hi holyolli, old moose hunter... ;-)
[12:05] < holyolli> *fg* hi huebi
[12:05] < holyolli> <-- just doesnt find a "old-" expression for huebi ;-)
[12:06] < huebi> SMP: hm, Idea!
[12:06] < thalerim> huebi: i made use of the shadow-pkg of the 1.5.16 ISO - therefore it could not be my fault :-P
[12:07] < holyolli> huebi: btw. my exams are over - so i can work a little bit on rock-alpha the next days :)
[12:08] < huebi> thalerim: It's ok. It's not a question whose fault it is, that will never change anything to the better. The question is how to solve it in shadow.conf. ;-))
[12:10] < [anders]> how hard would it be to modify ROCK to do the following?
[12:10] < thalerim> huebi: and something doesn't work with the pkg-tools (i.e. -install, -update, -remove | the ones calling the /etc/setup.d/* scripts), after installation/update/removing - when the setup-scripts are being invoked - AWK complain some error
[12:10] < [anders]> if executables are installed in /bin or /sbin, /etc is used, if executables are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, /usr/etc is used
[12:11] < thalerim> further something like following is displayed "[..] /etc/setup.d/CVS is a directory [...]"
[12:11] < huebi> SMP: in update we can tell the admin: "OpenSSH is now f*cked up because of a missing user/group combination. Please run '/etc/setup.d/50-sshd setup' manually"
[12:12] < SMP> [anders]: would be relatively easy to do, but it's a stupid idea. /usr/etc is not FHS and besides that a stupid idea on its own
[12:12] < [anders]> SMP: I kind of like having /etc as a ramdisk...
[12:12] < thalerim> it's easy ???
[12:13] < huebi> thalerim: /etc/setup.d/CVS <- this will be removed soon. This is an error I have to solve in the build scripts. I've been hunting many of these "CVS"
[12:13] < SMP> huebi: arrrgh
[12:13] < [anders]> All the X11 stuff could easily be banished to /usr/etc and then a symlink be created in /etc for that.. As X11 isn't in the / filesystem..
[12:13] < huebi> holyolli: Great. I called Ripclaw this morning. perhaps I can manage to get an alpha from him tomorrow.
[12:14] < SMP> huebi: just build from a 'cvs export', _not_ a 'cvs checkout' tree!
[12:14] < thalerim> huebi: again to libshadow - it seems shadow.tar.bz2 does not contain the libshadow.so... can you investigate the pkg, pls?
[12:14] < SMP> thalerim: of course it doesn't
[12:14] < SMP> thalerim: ldconfig creates the link
[12:15] < holyolli> huebi: i didn't get an answer from rene
[12:15] < thalerim> SMP: tell more
[12:15] < holyolli> huebi: we were the both who where interessted in the other alpha
[12:16] < SMP> huebi: on the sshd setup script.. yes, that could work. keep in mind though, that _all_ setup scripts will be executed when packages are being installed, not just new 'new' ones
[12:16] < thalerim> [anders]: /etc/X11 is a hardlink to some dir in /usr/X11R6/
[12:16] < SMP> thalerim: man ldconfig
[12:16] < thalerim> yoyo
[12:16] < [anders]> thalerim: uhm, not on my box it wasn't..
[12:17] < huebi> SMP: I want/must/will ever use a "cvs co" tree. Then I can just cvs ci my changes and don't forget them to ci
[12:17] < [anders]> some stuff in /etc/X11 was symlinked to elsewhere, but a majority of stuff was dumped straight in there..
[12:17] < [anders]> I'd be happy to keep some patches for myself to build ROCK as I would prefer it.. :)
[12:18] < [anders]> Got to take a look at 1.6.0 first and see if it is closer to my personal preferences..
[12:18]   [anders] doesn'
[12:18]   [anders] doesn't really care about FHS for my personal use..
[12:18] < huebi> SMP: I messed it up a few times when using a cvs export tree.
[12:18] < [anders]> erk..
[12:18] < SMP> huebi: you can always use checked out trees for your work, _only_ when you release a tree for a build shall you use export. sorry, that's how cvs is supposed to work
[12:19] < SMP> [anders]: explain to me later what you want to do..
[12:19] < [anders]> SMP: no problems..
[12:19] < SMP> brb breakfast now
[12:21] < thalerim> SMP: but the package should contain libshadow.so.0.0.0?
[12:22] < huebi> brb. brunch ;-))
[12:25] < thalerim> <[anders]> if executables are installed in /bin or /sbin, /etc is used, if executables are installed in /usr/bin or /usr/sbin, /usr/etc is used  <-- mostly you can determine a certain etc/ for a programm via --prefix-etc=
[12:29] -!- thalerim is now known as thaly|mail
[12:29] < [anders]> thalerim: yeah.. the question is if the whole build process can be set up to do this for everything..
[12:30] < [anders]> I.e. when a package is built it knows that if executables goes in /usr/{bin,sbin}/ then config-files goes in /usr/etc
[12:30] < [anders]> I am sure that the build-config can be modified to do exactly that..
[12:31] < thaly|mail> yes
[12:31] < thaly|mail> anywhere ./configure will be invoked with some parameters
[12:32] < thaly|mail> what's about finding the place through grepping? :-)
[12:32] < [anders]> Well, if all you set with configure is --prefix, you should achieve exactly what I would like..
[12:33] < thaly|mail> if you know the exact place, i think it's a variable, you can write a small shellscript doing that job
[12:33] < [anders]> I will have a look at ROCK 1.6.0 once I have got my new box at home..
[12:33] < [anders]> thaly|mail: Yeah.. I think I know where it is..
[12:34] < thaly|mail> 3-4month ago I planned to create a dialog based script to easily define possible configure parameters
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[12:36] < [anders]> it's alright.. I'll make a patch for the build process and keep it on my web-page.. (In case someone else decide to do the same..)
[12:36] < holyolli> hi esden
[12:36] < holyolli> hi rxr
[12:36] < thaly|mail> rxr_: did you create a pkg for GNOME 2.0 already?
[12:37] < thaly|mail> esden: in 1.5.16 the installprogramm looks for a pkg-dir base-pkgs, on cd was a 'base_pkgs' - also it looked for tar.bz2-files, on CD were .tbz2 ones only
[12:38] < thaly|mail> s,base-pkgs,\'base-pkgs\',1
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[12:44] < thaly|mail> hey armijn
[12:44] < armijn> hi
[12:45] < [anders]> re armijn
[12:45] < thaly|mail> Deutschland is going to become world champion!
[12:45] < thaly|mail> ^_
[12:46] < [anders]> thaly|mail: Don't underestimate Brazil..
[12:46] < [anders]> Personally I don't really care after Sweden was knocked out.
[12:48] < thaly|mail> [anders]: what's your surname? (i know a sweden who's first name is anders, too)
[12:48] < armijn> wow...
[12:49] < armijn> as far as I recall just a few people in sweden are called "anders"
[12:49] < armijn> NOT!
[12:49] < armijn> :)
[12:50] < thaly|mail> #define NOT !
[12:50] < thaly|mail> NOT! == !!
[12:50] < thaly|mail> !! == TRUE ??
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[12:52] < thalerim> armijn: why don't you have a "van ..." name?
[12:52] < thalerim> :->
[12:52] < armijn> because I don't have one
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[12:53] < thalerim> that's mean you suck?
[12:53] < SMP> re
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[12:53] < thalerim> just kidding ;)
[12:53] < bluefire> re
[12:53] < armijn> thalerim: not as bad as your english >:->
[12:53] < thalerim> uhm, right
[12:53] < SMP> ah, armijn
[12:54] < armijn> heheheh
[12:54] < armijn> thalerim: you bitch me, I bitch you
[12:54] < armijn> :)
[12:54] < armijn> GNOME 2.0...
[12:55] < SMP> armijn, how's PARISC moving?
[12:55] < armijn> like my bankaccount is reaching EUR 1.000.000 :)
[12:56] < armijn> I never got to boot Linux on the PA-RISC machines I had on loan
[12:56] < armijn> and now they're back at HP
[12:56] < armijn> so, no progress at all.
[12:56] < SMP> ewps
[12:56] < SMP> a have a Gecko here
[12:56] < SMP> with a broken disk
[12:56] < thalerim> armijn: but i have to admit, the fact that a lot of people are called "van ..." shows there were a lot of aristocrats in netherland
[12:57] < armijn> thalerim: hahah, nice joke :)
[12:57] < armijn> Napoleon forced all people to take on a surname
[12:57] < thalerim> damn you got the ironical taste
[12:58] < armijn> many people decided to use the town they lived in or came from to be their last name
[12:58] < armijn> so "van" usually means "from"
[12:58] < fake> SMP: PA-RISC Linux is quite far.... but no SMP IIRC
[12:58] < thalerim> armijn: in germany only noble men are still called "von <blah>" and 'van' means the same as 'von' so..
[12:59]   fake had it running on an N4000... 8 CPUs, 8 GB RAM
[12:59] < armijn> thalerim: true
[12:59] < fake> van = von = from
[12:59] < thalerim> dude :P
[12:59] < armijn> thalerim: but that's not what happened here :)
[12:59] < fake> Fuerst von Metternich
[13:00] < fake> for example XD
[13:00] < armijn> is that a beer?
[13:00] < [anders]> thalerim: my surname is karlsson.. :)
[13:00] < fake> no... err... cheaper champagne?
[13:00] < thalerim> [anders]: ok, then i do not know you :-P
[13:00] < fake> what do you call that? in german it's "Sekt"
[13:01] < thalerim> sparkling wine
[13:01] < fake> ah.
[13:01] < armijn> I know what sekt is
[13:02] < fake> damn it... i need the cvs version of gcc3.1.1
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[13:03] < fake> otherwise i'll be unable to compile glibc on mips
[13:03] < thalerim> ESDEN!
[13:03] < fake> thalerim: rejoin.
[13:03] < thalerim> -lilo`- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  We're going to need to do a quick rehubbing of a main rotation server.  Lots of noise; please bear with us.
[13:03] < fake> <thalerim> -lilo`- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  We're going to need to do a quick rehubbing of a main rotation server.  Lots of noise; please
[13:03] < fake>            bear with us.
[13:03] < armijn> I heard lilo pissed off a lot of admins yesterday
[13:03] < thalerim> that means we'll be disconnected?
[13:04] < armijn> and that several servers are moving to other networks
[13:04] < fake> thalerim: nope.
[13:04] < SMP> thalerim: no, only a short netsplit
[13:04] < armijn> because lilo just cares about getting a paycheck
[13:04] < fake> thalerim: a few server<->server connections will be reorganized.
[13:04] -!- thalerim is now known as thaly|grammy
[13:04] -!- thaly|grammy is now known as thaly|grandma
[13:04] < thaly|grandma> :->
[13:05] < fake> armijn: he should get a job then
[13:05] < thaly|grandma> bbl
[13:05] < armijn> fake: he got *fired* by his brother
[13:06] < thaly|grandma> SMP: do you know how to fix the libshadow thing?
[13:06] < SMP> yeah, quite a mess at OPN ATM...
[13:06] < [anders]> err.. lilo got fired by his brother?
[13:06] < fake> armijn: whew. my brother would never hire me ;-)
[13:06] < SMP> thaly|grandma: I don't even know where the problem is
[13:06] < [anders]> never enter into business with close friends or family..
[13:07] < SMP> [anders]: read all about it on his homepage..
[13:07] < fake> [anders] ACK!
[13:07] < thaly|grandma> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        61200 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.a
[13:07] < thaly|grandma> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root          673 Jun 19 14:06 /lib/libshadow.la
[13:07] < thaly|grandma> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           18 Jun 26 01:38 /lib/libshadow.so -> libshadow.so.0.0.0
[13:07] < thaly|grandma> libshadow.so.0.0.0 does not exist
[13:07] < SMP> aha
[13:07] < [anders]> SMP: url?
[13:07] < fake> a link with 18 blocks?
[13:07] < [anders]> fake: 18 bytes..
[13:08] < SMP> [anders]: https://lilo.sargasso.net/
[13:08] < fake> [anders] ah well.
[13:08]   fake wants the R4000 User's Guide
[13:08] < thaly|grandma> be away then.. cya
[13:08] < holyolli> rxr?
[13:09] < SMP> fake: why?
[13:10]   SMP needs to take a close look at the 1.5.16 logs & flists
[13:15] < SMP> ... which are not available :(
[13:16] < fake> SMP: education
[13:16] < armijn> why? what does SMP need?
[13:16] < fake> and the See MIPS Run - book.
[13:16] < fake> and the Malta board.
[13:16] < SMP> armijn: kill /lib/*.a
[13:16] < SMP> fake: ;)
[13:16] < armijn> hmm
[13:16] < fake> and the QEDR5k proc
[13:18] < SMP> ahh, only two packages
[13:18] < armijn> fake: which publisher?
[13:19] < armijn> fake: or internal SGI manuals?
[13:19] < fake> armijn: MIPS Inc.
[13:19] < [anders]> Mmhmmm.. Looks like all the bits ordered from dabs.com for the computer has now been shipped.. All I need now is the Shuttle Barebone SS40G case, and I am away.. :)
[13:19] < fake> www.mips.com
[13:19] < armijn> ah
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[13:22] < armijn> urgh, Pjotr installed a ROCK server a few weeks ago
[13:22] < armijn> and he used 1.5.12
[13:22] < armijn> so, lots of troubles
[13:22] < armijn> he should have taken 1.5.15
[13:22] < fake> Pjotr P
[13:23] < armijn> yeah
[13:23] < fake> aw.
[13:23] < armijn> but, it was hardly announced
[13:23] < armijn> I really hate that, it's just 1.7 that gets announced on the frontpage
[13:23] < armijn> even though there is quite some development going on in 1.5.x
[13:23] < fake> > /dev/clifford
[13:23] < [anders]> is 1.6.0 ready for release?
[13:23] < armijn> [anders]: no, not yet
[13:24] < armijn> need to fix stuff for sparc64 first
[13:24] < SMP> armijn: I suspect Clifford wants 1.6 out, ASAP
[13:24] < [anders]> armijn: what's missing and/or needs work?
[13:24] < armijn> [anders]: for sparc64? bootloader, kernel config, install disks
[13:24] < fake> SMP yes because we need more 1.7 devls
[13:24] < armijn> and then we just have "base"
[13:24] < [anders]> armijn: is everything else ready?
[13:25] < armijn> so, no X
[13:25] < armijn> [anders]: well, apart from all the graphical stuff, most things are done
[13:25] < [anders]> armijn: 'graphical stuff'
[13:25] < armijn> [anders]: read "X"
[13:26] < [anders]> armijn: ah... nothing essential missing then...
[13:26] < fake> called shot: admin.
[13:26] < armijn> yeah, and we need a few more tweaks for optimization...
[13:26] < fake> *success*
[13:29] < holyolli> cu later
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[13:32] < th> how to set root-path-arguments with bootp?
[13:32] < th> grmpf
[13:32] < th> moin btw
[13:34] < fake> moin.
[13:34] < fake> man bootpd.conf ?
[13:34] < fake> bp: ?
[13:34] < SMP> th:
[13:35] < SMP> 11:09| < SMP> option root-path "/tftpboot/js/charlotte,v3,rsize=8192,wsize=8192";
[13:35] < fake> eh? that's dhcpd, isn't it?
[13:35] < SMP> dhcpd is a bootp server
[13:36] < fake> hm, i thought he ment bootpd.
[13:36] < fake> (the conf file with lots of ":" ;)
[13:36] < SMP> th: please have a look at world:~stefanp/sparc-root-update.tar.bz2
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[13:37] < armijn> switiching machines. brb
[13:37] < fake> *argh*... a search on edonkey for MIPS -> 0 hits.
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[13:39] < esden> hi all
[13:39] < th> SMP: i'm already downloading it ;)
[13:40] < fake> hi esden!
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[13:40] < fake> esden: maybe YOU know why we use the ldconfig from ld.so and not the one from glibc?
[13:40] < snyke> hi you
[13:41] < esden> fake: no no idea I waswondering too some time ago ... but forgot to ask
[13:42] < fake> esden: because glibc's ldconfig works
[13:42] < th> java:bf=/tftpboot/proll.krups.ID15:ha=080020954f16:ip=192.168.1.77:sa=192.168.1.138:rp=/tftpboot/192.168.1.77,rsize=8192,wsize=8192
[13:42] < th> that's for bootp
[13:42] < th> that's for bootpd
[13:42] < fake> rp. yeah. i forgot >_<
[13:42] < esden> fake: yes you were telling it yesterday
[13:43] < huebi> hi esden, hi th
[13:43] < th> and it's man bootptab not bootpd.conf ;-)
[13:43] < th> moin huebi
[13:43] < fake> th> sorry... only used it once.
[13:43] < fake> hi huebi !
[13:43] < th> i think i need a second monitor
[13:44] < th> switching between irc,manpages,serverhost and stations is bad
[13:44] < esden> hi huebi
[13:44] < fake> i think i need a second head.
[13:44] < huebi> hi fake
[13:44] < esden> fake: you have two eyes ;-)
[13:44] < th> the lucky thing: i have a spare 17" just here...
[13:44] < SMP> *LOL*
[13:45] < esden> fake: learn to use them separatly
[13:45] < fake> esden> then the only thing missing is a second set of hands.
[13:45] < huebi> fake: dvorak ?
[13:45] < fake> on-handed?
[13:45] < fake> s,on,one,
[13:46] < huebi> 2x 1-handed
[13:46] < esden> fake: you have two hands ... use dvorak-l and dvorak-r
[13:46] < fake> huebi: T9 ;-)
[13:46] < fake> two number blocks
[13:47] < huebi> fake: Oktaine with 2 keyboards/heads
[13:47] < esden> then you can have 10 keyboards
[13:47] < fake> huebi: *LECHZ*
[13:47] < esden> the t9 kevboards can be handled by one finger
[13:48] < fake> esden: yeah, but then the keyboards would get horribly small.
[13:49] < esden> fake: that is only a thing of exercise
[13:50] < fake> anyways. i am missing vital body enhancements.
[13:50] < th> ok. 2nd monitor mounted
[13:51] < fake> mount -t fb /dev/fb/1 /dev/pty/1
[13:51] < th> SMP: i started a ping. how can i cancel that?
[13:51] < th> SMP: charlotte does not react to my C-c tries
[13:52] < fake> SysReq ?
[13:52] < fake> ;-)
[13:54] < th> i have sysreq. is there a  way to kill a single process?
[13:54] < SMP> th: yeah, this has happened to me, too
[13:54] < SMP> th: use screen, login on another vs, via ssh or reboot ;)
[13:55] < SMP> s,vs,vc,
[13:55] < [anders]> th, ^Z, kill %1
[13:55] < esden> nonono ... argh /me will die
[13:56] < SMP> no, SIGSTOP, SIGINT and SIGKILL are all hosed
[13:56] < th> [anders]: no C-z
[13:56] < SMP> from the keyboard, that is
[13:56] < [anders]> th: any way in remotely to the box?
[13:56] < SMP> th: you might have luck with C-\
[13:56] < th> hmmm kernel oopsing on reboot
[13:56] < SMP> or else just reboot it
[13:56] < SMP> oopsing?
[13:56] < SMP> oops
[13:57] < th> SMP: no. i tried that
[13:57] < SMP> never seen that
[13:57] < SMP> are you trying a shutdown?
[13:57] < SMP> just press the power button
[13:57] < th> SMP: yes. with 2 nice ascii-art daemons like these on install-shell
[13:57] < armijn> oopsing!
[13:58] < SMP> it's diskless after all. no need to do a shutdown
[13:58] < th> SMP: hmm screen does not work
[13:59] < th> open fifo /tmp/screen/... no such device
[13:59]   fake getting gcc-cvs
[13:59] < SMP> most stupid thing I heard was about people whose shutdown scripts ran 'ifconfig eth0 down' on a diskless system
[13:59] < SMP> *aargh*
[13:59] < SMP> th: hmm. I had no problems with screen
[14:00] < SMP> apart from the usual ones
[14:00] < th> SMP: is /tmp on your root?
[14:00] < SMP> it's mountpoint
[14:00] < SMP> for tmpfs
[14:01] < th> ahh :)
[14:01] < th> unable to mount that :-/
[14:01] < th> something is really strange
[14:02] < SMP> which kernel are you using?
[14:02] < th> 2.4.18-rc4
[14:02] < SMP> AARGHH
[14:02] < SMP> servnix:/tftpboot/js# grep vmlinux charlotte/README
[14:02] < SMP> - use boot/vmlinux.aout to boot your Krups
[14:03] < SMP> read README, CHANGES, BUG, TODO now!
[14:04] < SMP> grmpf
[14:04] < huebi> SMP: jo. the kernel must be in aout. elftoaout vmlinux
[14:04]   SMP writes documentation and users don't read it...
[14:05] < SMP> no, his problem was that he is using not my kernel, which has no support for devfs and tmpfs
[14:05] < th> /proc/filesystem shows tmpfs
[14:06] < SMP> argh, I'm too damn tired to even write correctly
[14:06] < SMP> th: use my kernel or I won't help you
[14:06] < th> SMP: ack ;)
[14:07] < esden> some of you will probably find this here interesting/funny: https://www.esden.net/rocklinux/ssh-reimplement.txt
[14:11] < thaly|grandma> re
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[14:12] < esden> cu all
[14:12] < huebi> cu esden
[14:12] < [anders]> cu esden
[14:12] < thalerim> wait esden
[14:14] < thalerim> esden: the installprogramm of 1.5.16 looks for a pkg-dir 'base-pkgs' on 1.5.16ISO is only a 'base_pkgs', and it looks for .tar.bz2's on cd are .tbz2's
[14:15] < th> SMP: how often does world's hostkey change?
[14:15] < SMP> hostkeys never change
[14:16] < th> than it's possible someone is doing something nasty
[14:16] < [anders]> if you re-install OpenSSH they do..
[14:16] < th> SMP: but you did not change it since yesterday, did you?
[14:16] < SMP> (only when compromised)
[14:16] < SMP> th: I switched off ssh1 compatibility
[14:17] < SMP> [anders]: actually, no
[14:17] < [anders]> SMP they changed for me anyways.. As the ROCK 1.4.0 Build-Pkg routine for openssh regenerates the host-keys...
[14:18] < fake> mkdir bak ; cp /etc/ssh/*key* bak/ ; make install ; cp bak/* /etc/ssh ; rm -rf bak ;
[14:18] < SMP> 1.4 and 1.5.12 had a bug where one of three hostkeys was in the openssh package
[14:18] < th> i get no colors on that krups
[14:19]   [anders] will update to 1.6.0 when it finally appears..
[14:19] < SMP> [anders]: that's stupid behaviour of the openssh 'make instal'
[14:20] < SMP> but you don't Build-Pkg on a live system anyway, unless you really know what you are doing ;>
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[14:21] < fake> SMP: how can i tell it to use /etc/ssh ? it always installs in $prefix/etc/
[14:21] < term_emu> hoi
[14:22] < [anders]> SMP: Well, I have been using Build-Pkg on my live box for a good while.. As long as you don't try updating glibc with it, you are okay.. ;-)
[14:22] < SMP> fake: --sysconfdir=/etc/ssh should do it?
[14:22] < fake> SMP: o_O must have overlooked it.... thanks.
[14:22] < [anders]> SMP: so if Build-Pkg is not the right way, what is?
[14:23] < SMP> [anders]: 'Build-Pkg on a live system' is not the right way
[14:23] < th> SMP: it charlottes terminal capable of colors?
[14:23] < [anders]> SMP: so what is the correct way?
[14:24] < [anders]> SMP: 2nd box, build pkg there, copy across and install on live box?
[14:24] < SMP> [anders]: having a seperate box or chroot env
[14:25] < SMP> th: yes. but I could not get colors on ssh sessions
[14:25] < [anders]> SMP: when disk is sparse, you do alternative things.. If I could afford the disk, I would.. Now when 2nd box looks like it is only days away, I could build things away from live box..
[14:25] < SMP> th: but 'ls --color' should work, e.g.
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[14:26] < th> SMP: no. it doesn't seem to work even local
[14:27] < SMP> [anders]: I know. I don't especially like that either. but the rock-src scripts are designed to build a distro from scratch, not to make partial updates
[14:27] < SMP> th: hmm. does the penguin logo during boot show colors?
[14:27] < th> SMP: yes
[14:27] < th> SMP: what terminal did you set?
[14:28] < SMP> try putting a getty in vc/2
[14:28] < SMP> TERM=linux
[14:28] < SMP> that's the obvious default
[14:28] < huebi> th: start screen. then the colors should work ;-)
[14:28] < [anders]> SMP: Yeah.. What I would like, is an environment, where non-core things could be built and packaged for updating other boxes..
[14:28] < [anders]> and that without having to build the works..
[14:29] < th> SMP: GREAT i have a getty ;_
[14:29] < thalerim> i modified framebuffer to exchange the light grey/white (the standard text colorS) with (light) green - now it looks like a very l33t MaTrIx box :-)
[14:29] < SMP> [anders]: it's possible if you know what you are doing ;>
[14:29] < th> huebi: no they do not work
[14:29] < th> huebi: SMP: but they work without screen
[14:29] < SMP> th: ... and then logging in on vc/2 ;P
[14:30] < th> SMP: colors work on vc/2
[14:30] < SMP> on vc/2, but not on console?
[14:30] < thalerim> https://freebits.de/trash/framebuff-green.diff <-
[14:30] < SMP> ssh doesn't work for me on console, either
[14:30] < [anders]> SMP: I'll have a look at setting up such an env at some point.. Usually, you don't update core stuff often.. Things like OpenSSH I would not class at 'core'...
[14:31] < th> SMP: you mean colors with vc/x >> ssh
[14:32] < SMP> no, ssh in general
[14:32] < SMP> did you try it?
[14:32] < SMP> on /dev/console it just gives me a nonsensical error
[14:33] < SMP> but works fine on vcs and ptys
[14:34] < SMP> I should have enabled some gettys on vcs and put up a "DON'T USE" sign on the /dev/console one ;)
[14:35] < th> SMP: on vc/2 i did a ssh to another host and colors are still okay
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[14:36] < SMP> th: I banged my head against ssh before I noticed that /dev/console is evil in general ;)
[14:36] < th> SMP: yes it is. it even refuses to let me ssh to my delta
[14:37] < th> SMP: i have colors up to this moment i start screen
[14:38] < th> s,this,the,
[14:38]   SMP goes to try out
[14:41] < huebi> what about to put /dev/console to vc/12. rechable via ALT-F12
[14:41] < huebi> ?
[14:42] < huebi> I personaly log everything from syslog to /dev/vc12
[14:43] < th> AHH GOT COLORS
[14:43] < th> SMP: set TERM=xterm ;)
[14:43] < th> whew irssi has it's colors back
[14:44] < SMP> huebi: you can't just "put /dev/console to vc/12" ;>
[14:45] < huebi> SMP: why?
[14:45] < SMP> huebi: what /dev/console is depends on the kernels idea. often it is vc/1. when using serial-console it is tts/0
[14:45] < huebi> ah, I understand.
[14:46] < th> SMP: well i just replaced the 1 in inittab with 12 and put a getty like on vc/2 on vc/1
[14:46] < th> SMP: now my vc1 works perfectly
[14:46] < huebi> all the non-syslogd/klogd messages needs /dev/console
[14:46] < SMP> exactly
[14:47] < SMP> I do prefer to use /dev/console, though
[14:47] < SMP> just in case one needs serial-console
[14:47] < th> login failures take a long time
[14:48] < huebi> The bootmessages of the kernel are writen to /dev/console, aren't they? And /dev/console is hardwired in the kernel to vc/1 / tts/0, isn't it?
[14:49] < SMP> well, the console is the console ;)
[14:49] < SMP> but you're free to ignore it
[14:50] < fake> hm... where is the glibc cvs?
[14:51] < huebi> SMP: can you explain a little bit more, please?
[14:51] < fake> ah
[14:51] < fake> hab schon.
[14:52] < SMP> huebi: well, suppose you use normal graphical console. then /dev/console == vc/1. but you can still access vc/1 as vc/1 and see none of the fsckups we saw.
[14:53] < SMP> because then vc/1 is no different from vc/2 etc.
[14:54] < huebi> 1:12345:respawn:/sbin/agetty -L -i -I '\012\015\012Maintenance Console:\012' 38400 vc/1 linux <- you mean this entry in /etc/inittab let me use vc/1 like vc/2?
[14:55] < SMP> putting a getty on /dev/console has the advantage that it will work no matter what the kerne's idea of the console it. if you use gettys on vcs and decide to run the machine headless and with serial-console you will see the kernel messages on the serial port but no getty, since there simply isn't one
[14:56] < SMP> huebi: yes, exactly
[14:58] < huebi> So how can I redirect the console either to /dev/tts/0 or /dev/vc/1? If I configure the kernel with console on serial port, is it automaticaly there on /dev/tts/0, or how is this done?
[14:58] < SMP> yes, that's how you do it
[15:01] < huebi> And if I have no console on serial port it is automaticaly placed on /dev/vc/1? can I change that to /dev/vc/12 ?
[15:03] < SMP> you can even have multiple consoles at one time. well, not exactly, but you can say 'console=ttyS0 console=tty0' which will send the messages both to tts/0 and vc/1. getty will of course only appear on the first device
[15:03] < SMP> huebi: yes. console=tty12
[15:04] < SMP> /usr/src/linux/Documentation/serial-console.txt tells you all about it :)
[15:06] < huebi> *reading*
[15:06] < th> huebi: sind eigentlich noch krups verfuegbar?
[15:07] < fake> hm... mailinglist archives in mbox format are a cool thing
[15:07] < fake> huebi: apropos - schon dazu gekommen? *hundeblick*
[15:07] < huebi> th: Noe, Ich habe _alle_ bei Livingston aufgekauft und zwei moechte ich fuer mich selber behalten.
[15:08] < th> huebi: hehe wieviel waren denn _alle_?
[15:09] < huebi> fake: Nein. noch nicht. Ich kann dir Samstag fest zusagen fuer den Versand per Post. Ich habe super viel zu tun bis morgen abend.
[15:10]   th hat jetzt alle rechner im zimmer bis auf die krups runtergefahren und geniest die stille
[15:10] < huebi> th: 7 stueck. th: 2, SMP: 1, Ripclaw: 1, jake: 1, ich: 2
[15:10] < fake> huebi: is in ordnung.... danke schonmal ;)
[15:10] < rolla> re
[15:10] < huebi> hi rolla
[15:10] < fake> jake? *grml*
[15:10] < th> huebi: man gut, dass ich gleich 2 wollte ;)
[15:10] < fake> hi rolla !
[15:11] < th> huebi: die dinger rocken ungemein
[15:11] < huebi> th: Genau darum wollte ich die auch haben ;-))
[15:11] < th> huebi: ob sich irgendwo noch weitere quellen erschliessen?
[15:12] < huebi> th: bei SUN habe ich schon gefragt, die haben keine mehr.
[15:12]   fake wird seine ganzen ratterkisten in den vorraum stellen und nur noch die schoene leise Krups im wohnbereich haben ;)
[15:12]   th braucht ein vorzimmer
[15:12] < fake> th> ich braeucht ein groesseres.
[15:12] < th> der server fuer die krups steht aufm dachboden
[15:13] < th> weil er auch funkstandleitungsrouter ist
[15:13] < fake> 1.5 x 1.5 meter - 3 tueren
[15:13] < th> fake: kannste doch alle unter die decke haengen
[15:13] < fake> (von denen aber 2 nach aussen aufgehen
[15:14]   huebi wird mal 40m cat5 in den keller legen. Mal sehen was der Vermieter / die Hausgemeinschaft dazu sagt..
[15:14] < fake> th: coole idee - ich koennte meine rechner auf den dachboden stellen und das antennenkabel als BNC-Netzwerkkabel umfunktionieren...
[15:14] < fake> pech fuer die antennenfernsehkucker in der wohnung
[15:14] < th> fake: das sind doch 75Ohm?
[15:14] < huebi> th: egal, das geht schon.
[15:15] < th> huebi: aber etwas mies.
[15:15] < huebi> habe ich selber mal gesehen.
[15:15] < th> huebi: wir haben in der schule vor jahren mal versehentlich 75ohm verlegt.
[15:15] < th> huebi: der strang war uebel
[15:16] < huebi> th: das glaube ich gerne ;>
[15:16] < th> SMP: there is no strace...
[15:17] < huebi> th: ask armijn for strace
[15:17] < huebi> th: he knows all about it on sparc64
[15:18] < fake> hm, maybe also for mips? ;-)
[15:19] < huebi> fake: armijn also knows where the holes in the cheese come from *fg*
[15:20] < fake> jaaa i know _that_ story.
[15:20] < th> hmmm passwd behaves strange
[15:21] < th> you talked about that already IIRC
[15:21] < huebi> th: cheese?
[15:23] < th> huebi: no. passwd or login problem
[15:23] < th> huebi: considered it a shadow problem?
[15:23] < huebi> i did not talk about cheese
[15:24] < th> huebi: me neither
[15:24] < fake> th: install htdig over irclog.
[15:24] < th> fake: grep is enough
[15:24] < fake> aye.
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[15:25] < huebi> th: yes, there is a problem with the login. you write your accout and hit enter. nothing changes. then you write your passwd (in the dark) and hit enter 3 times. then you are loged in
[15:26] < th> huebi: i've no problems like that
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[15:26] < th> huebi: just everywhere a password is requested it takes minutes
[15:27] < huebi> th: one problem was openssh. Armijn fixed that and in the new buid and on my 2 sparcs the package is new.
[15:29] < SMP> th: do you have to wait after the password prompt at login, too?
[15:30] < huebi> th: yes, there is a problem with the login. you write your accout and hit enter. nothing changes. then you write your passwd (in the dark) and hit enter 3 times. then you are loged in
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[15:30] < huebi> SMP: Do you mean this?
[15:30] < SMP> actually you can type any character, not just enter
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[15:39]   fake browsing glibc mlist archives
[15:39] < fake> https://sources.redhat.com/ml/libc-alpha/2002-01/msg00322.html
[15:39] < fake> hehe.
[15:39] < fake> he's in the thread i need
[16:01] < th> SMP: i have to wait a long time if i enter a wrong password
[16:01] < th> SMP: or if i try to change the password with passwd command
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[16:13] < [anders]> got a mate buying a DLT-8000 40GB/80GB tapedrive for only £600 inc shipping and VAT..
[16:13] < huebi> [anders]: kool price.
[16:14]   [anders] ordering it tomorrow..
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[16:26] < fake> wow.
[16:26] < fake> jetzt wird uns gleich mitgeteilt dass unsere firma insolvenz anmeldet.
[16:26]   SMP goes to bed
[16:26] < fake> SMP: sleep well
[16:27] < rolla> argh
[16:28] < huebi> cu SMP
[16:28]   fake wanders off listening to CEO.
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[16:47] < [anders]> actually.. ordered today..
[16:49] < huebi> cu later
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[17:13] < rolla> where can I find the error-logs for the stage3 build ?
[17:14] < rolla> I cannot figure out where the root is
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[18:00] < esden> re hi all
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[18:11] < huebi> re
[18:18] < fake> hm.
[18:18] < fake> doch nix mit insolvenz.
[18:18] < fake> noch nicht ;-)
[18:18] < fake> dafuer jetzt grillparty.
[18:18] < huebi> fake: na dann viel Spass
[18:19] < fake> wobei?
[18:19] < huebi> grillparty.
[18:19] < huebi> oder nicht jetzt sofort?
[18:20] < th> huebi: might that login problem be because of the stars being printed. that's a random count of stars...
[18:20] < fake> doch, aber was soll ich da?
[18:21] < fake> naja. essen.
[18:21] < fake> tote tiere
[18:21] < fake> kurz von der flamme gekuesst....
[18:21] < huebi> fake: befressen bis zum Umfallen. Sinnlos noch sinnlosere Mengen an Bier vernichten. Und morgen auf der Tastatur einschlafen oder gleich eine Kater fuer 2 haben...
[18:22] < fake> huebi: 1) logisch 2) bin mim auto da und daheim wartet ne cvs-glibc und ein cvs-gcc auf mich.
[18:22] < th> huebi: das ist nur ein login problem. beim passwd command werden auch diese sterne gezeigt und da ist das gleiche problem
[18:22] < th> huebi: wenn du ein leeres passwort nimmst, so das keine sterne kommen, bist du sofort drin
[18:22] < fake> th: time head /dev/random ?
[18:22] < huebi> hmm
[18:22] < th> s,ist nur,ist nicht nur,
[18:23] < th> fake: laeuft noch
[18:23] < fake> th: er macht halt bis er 10 mal \n bekommen hat
[18:23] < th> fake: dann mach ich besser ein dd
[18:23] < fake> real    0m1.169s
[18:24] < huebi> fake: kann dein chef nicht noch die Taxis bezahlen?
[18:24] < fake> time dd if=/dev/random of=/dev/null count=1024
[18:24] < fake> real    0m1.158s
[18:24] < fake> zum vergl. P3-800
[18:25] < th> fake: dann mach ich besser ein dd
[18:25] < th> oups
[18:25] < huebi> ssh laeuft wieder auc rocklinux.dyndns.org
[18:26] < fake> th: dd braucht bei mir auch unterschiedlich lange
[18:26] < fake> zwischen einer und 24 sekunden
[18:26] < fake> 1024 records = 0.75 sek.
[18:26] < fake> bei dev/urandom
[18:27] < fake> konstant
[18:27] < th> komisch wenn ich ein dd auf dev/null mache isses sofort fertig
[18:27] < fake> th: wie seltsam!
[18:27] < huebi> bash-2.05a$ time dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/null count=1024
[18:28] < huebi> real0m0.303s
[18:28] < th> huebi: na bei urandom is das ja klar
[18:28] < fake> das is ja schneller als mein P3-800 ?!
[18:28] < huebi> cpu MHz: 1526.552
[18:28] < fake> th: schau halt mal in den source was er bei diesen doofen *** macht...
[18:28] < fake> model name      : Pentium III (Coppermine)
[18:28] < fake> cpu MHz  : 849.909
[18:29] < fake> bogomips : 1697.38
[18:29] < th> wie issen die standard bs?
[18:29] < huebi> model name: AMD Athlon(tm) MP 1800+
[18:29] < huebi> bogomips: 3047.42
[18:29] < fake> th> bei speicher 1024, bei fs: 4096
[18:29] < fake> huebi: :P
[18:30] < fake> huebi: mein Haus... mein Auto... mein Cluster ;-)
[18:30] < th> also mal von random>null bs=1 count=1024
[18:30] < th> braucht 20 sekunden
[18:30] < huebi> bogomips x2  weil dual ;>
[18:31] < th> chichi
[18:31] < fake> random oder urandom @th ?
[18:31] < th> fake: random
[18:31] < fake> real    0m0.787s
[18:31] < th> huebi: meinte smp vorhin, dass ein xfree86 drin waere?
[18:31] < fake> real    0m16.992s
[18:31] < fake> real    0m1.298s
[18:31] < fake> random variiert zu stark
[18:32] < th> diesmal 34
[18:32] < huebi> fake: bist du sicher, das dein random kein link nach urandom ist?
[18:32] < fake> huebi: das merke ich an dem unterschied ....
[18:32] < fake> urandom immer etwa gleich lang
[18:32] < huebi> fake: es passt gut von der zeit.
[18:32] < fake> random immer unterschiedlich.
[18:32] < huebi> random: real   0m23.983s
[18:32] < fake> cr--r--r--    1 root     root       1,   9 27. Jun 14:00 urandom
[18:33] < fake> crw-rw-rw-    1 root     root       1,   8 10. Jun 16:32 random
[18:33] < fake> w??
[18:33] < fake> o_O
[18:33] < huebi> th: jo, da sehe ich nicht so das grosse problem..
[18:33] < fake> eh... urandom... heute erstellt?
[18:33] < huebi> celeron 466 urandom: 0m1.303s
[18:34] < fake> *gruebel*
[18:34] < huebi> urandom XP1800+ 0m0.303s
[18:34] < huebi> fake: dein (u)random passt von der Zeit sehr gut dazwischen.
[18:35] < fake> huebi: is das ein kompilment?
[18:35] < fake> kompliment
[18:35] < huebi> erh.. Ja?!
[18:36] < fake> *freu* ;)
[18:45] < huebi> ** Finished (06/26/02 02:02:14 - 06/27/02 15:01:20) ** - sparc64 build on Ultra 30 / 200MHz needs 37h
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[18:46] < uninvited> hello every1
[18:46] < huebi> hi uninvited ;-)
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[18:53] < th> wie startet man in nem bash-prompt was bold?
[18:53] < th> tcsh is ja hier leider nich
[18:55] < th> also fragen wir mal anders: wie kriegt man auf nem linux terminal seinen prompt so richtig schoen weiss
[18:55] < th> und nich nur so grau
[18:56] < huebi> export PS1="\[\e[1;32m\]\u@\h:\w > \[\e[0m\]" <- tiefblau
[18:56] < th> oum
[18:56] < th> \e[1;32m also
[18:57] < huebi> erm gruen ;-))
[18:57] < huebi> export PS1="\[\e[1;31m\]\u@\h:\w # \[\e[0m\]" <- rot
[18:58] < huebi> export PS1="\[\e[1;37m\]\u@\h:\w # \[\e[0m\]" <- weiss
[18:58] < th> und gibts auch ein "normal" oderr muss ich da grau nehmen
[18:59] < huebi> export PS1="\u@\h:\w # " normal
[18:59] < huebi> \[\e[1;37m\] = weiss ein
[18:59] < huebi> \[\e[0m\] = farbe aus
[19:00] < th> danke huebi
[19:01] < huebi> gern geschehen.
[19:02] < rolla> and then type bin
[19:02] < th> bin?
[19:03] < rolla> wrong window ;)
[19:03] < fake> damn it. bad timing.
[19:03] < fake> the animal was a bit too small.
[19:03] < rolla> why ?
[19:03] < th> huebi: kann die krups nur ueber den speaker piepsen?
[19:04] < th> s,den,den einen den ich abklemmte,
[19:05] < fake> th: nix piepsen. crystal audio karte ;)
[19:05] < huebi> die hat noch sound on board, https://www.dementia.org/~shadow/sparcaudio.html
[19:05] < th> fake: ich will ein terminal-beep
[19:05] < fake> s,karte,onboard,
[19:05] < fake> th: screen -> Wuff,Wuff!
[19:05] < th> fake: vc
[19:06] < fake> th: vhs
[19:06] < th> ich moechte eine akustische rueckkopplung
[19:06] < fake> vielleicht-hilft-(wiederan)stecken
[19:06] < fake> th: du kannst sie auch auf den boden werfen. macht auch geraeusche.
[19:06] < th> fake: ja aber dann rauschts doch auch wieder
[19:07] < fake> th: vielleicht nicht wenn du den soundtreiber installierst?
[19:07] < th> fake: aber wie sorg ich dafuer, dass sie immer genau dann auf den boden faellt, wenn ich mail hab?
[19:07] < th> fake: das kaeme auf einen versuch an.
[19:07] < th> fake: dafuer braeuchte ich aber irgendwie mal ein x
[19:07] < fake> th: hm... du laesst im terminal in der statuszeile aufblinken dass du sie jetzt runterwerfen musst?
[19:07] < th> hab hier kein gpm
[19:07] < fake> th: wozu x?
[19:08] < th> fake: zum auf den url browsen
[19:08] < th> sonst muss ich ja abtippen
[19:08] < fake> th: hm.armer hund.
[19:08] < fake> th: nfsmount?
[19:08] < fake> und dann in das verz. reinschieben?
[19:09] < th> fake: wie meinen?
[19:09] < fake> th: mounte doch ein verz. eber NFS von einem anderen rechner auf dem du maus und X hast o_O ?
[19:10] < th> fake: die krups is im moment der einzige rechner der an ist
[19:10] < th> fake: ansonsten waere es ja kein problem
[19:10] < fake> th: also entweder musst du X kompilieren oder nen anderen rechner einschalten...
[19:11] < fake> th: von wo hast du denn gebootet?
[19:12] < th> fake: von einem rechner auf dem dachboden
[19:12] < fake> ach der.
[19:12] < th> fake: ohne maus, tastatur, monitor und x
[19:12] < fake> denk ich mir - wenn er auf dem dachboden steht ;-)
[19:12] < th> jo
[19:13] < fake> hm.....
[19:13] < fake> waere es nicht einfacher mal erstmal gpm zu kompilieren?
[19:13] < fake> hast du ssh?
[19:14] < th> jo
[19:14] < fake> hm.... ich kann dir nur insoweit entgegenkommen dass ichs dir irgendwo hinleg damit du gpm mit scp ziehen kannst.
[19:14] < th> ebus_chain hmmm huebi: sagt dir das was?
[19:14] < fake> aber nicht nur weil du zu faul zum tippen bist :P
[19:15] < th> fake: danke, aber ich werd wohl nicht drum rum kommen einen rechner anzuschalten
[19:15] < fake> th: wait
[19:15] < th> fake: hier steht ja noch einer direkt neben mir
[19:15] < th> ich braeuchte nichtmal aufstehen
[19:15] < fake> ftp://arcana.linux.it/pub/gpm/gpm-1.20.0.tar.bz2
[19:15] < th> das compilier ich doch ehh nicht auf der krups
[19:16] < fake> das schaffst du doch wohl noch. mit ncftp hast du sogar noch tab-completion ;-)
[19:16] < fake> th: warum nich ? *g*
[19:16] < th> fake: wenn dann lieber auf einer kiste von huebi
[19:17] < th> ich hab jetzt ein modul namens "audio.o" geladen
[19:17] < th> und ich hab dadurch ein /dev/sound/
[19:17] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/sparc64-gpm.tar.bz2
[19:18] < fake> th: ein /dev/sound/(nix) ?
[19:19] < th> genau
[19:19] < th> ein leeres dir
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[19:19] < g-katze> So, hallo nochmal
[19:19] < rolla> and try to ftp again
[19:19] < th> wenn ich cs4231 laden will kommt obiges ebus unres problem
[19:19] < th> da fehlt wohl noch was
[19:20] < huebi> na, uninvited ;-)
[19:20] < fake> hi g-katze !!
[19:20] < fake> g-katze: wie schauts aus mit der PS2 ??
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[19:20] < fake> g-katze: das hat top-priority
[19:21] < g-katze> Bin dran, morgen Abend geh ich einen heben und dann treff ich gleich zwei Top-Kandidaten.
[19:21] < g-katze> Spätestens montag geb ich dir Bescheid.
[19:21] < fake> g-katze: suuuper
[19:23] < huebi> g-katze: das heisst: Morgen abend fuehre ich mit 2 Investoren sehr erfolgversprechende Verghandlungen ueber eine Grossinvestition im IT-Bereich..
[19:23] < huebi> *ggg*
[19:24] < fake> huebi: der witz ist: fuer mich is das ne grossinvestition..... :(
[19:24] < huebi> fake: Deshalb ja ;-))
[19:24] < fake> :P
[19:25] < huebi> manchmal kommt dann noch einer ( <AOL> Ich auch. ich auch </AOL> ) und will unbedingt mitmachen... und schon steht die Origin 3800 bei dir im Zimmer.
[19:25] < fake> th: was fuer ein unres? bin ich blind?
[19:26] < fake> huebi!!!!! das ist nicht witzig... das macht mich traurig -_-
[19:26] < huebi> (PS2 Emulator fuer Origin...)
[19:27] < huebi> fake: Ich habe das nicht boese gemeint. Und ich will dich auch nicht traurig machen. Entschuldige bitte...
[19:27] < g-katze> fake,huebi> hehehhehe
[19:27] < huebi> g-katze: Zieh dir 'nen Anzug an ;>
[19:27] < g-katze> Erfolgsversprechende Verhandlungen, IT Bereich, usw usw . OKAY ;-)
[19:28] < g-katze> mach ich. Hellblaue Pampers.
[19:28] < huebi> g-katze: Nein! Nicht den blauen zum Autoschrauben...
[19:29] < th> fake: unresolved symbol ebus_chain
[19:31] < huebi> Sitzt Sony nicht in Dietzenbach? Ich meine auch die PS abteilung?
[19:31] < g-katze> huebi> Anzug ? welchen denn sonst ?
[19:32] < huebi> g-katze: Den Achtung-jetzt-komm-ich-der-immer-so-erfolgreich-und-richtig-wichtig-ist Anzug
[19:33] < th> huebi: so einen sollte ich mir mal zulegen
[19:34] < g-katze> Ach den ? Ich hab nur einen ich-kriech-euch-in-den-Arsch-und-dann-kann-ich-mir-den-Achtung-jetzt-komm-ich-der-immer-so-erfolgreich-und-richtig-wichtig-Anzug-nicht-mehr-Anzug !
[19:34] < g-katze> -sparen.
[19:34] < g-katze> osä
[19:34] < huebi> th: jo. und die Du-findest-mich-obertoll-und-zahlst-dafuer-extra Kravatte auch ;>
[19:35] < th> huebi: grmpf
[19:35] < huebi> g-katze: Arschkriechen macht immer so einen streng riechenden, beschissenen Eindruck ;<
[19:36] < th> huebi: ich muss dich mal besuchen kommen. dann zeigst du mir solche kunden, okay?
[19:37] < huebi> th: Wenn ich wieder so einen habe, gerne. ab Samstag mache ich erst nur mal ROCK Linux
[19:38] < th> kann mir jemand den shortest path routing algorithmus erklaeren?
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[19:39] < huebi> th: garantiert SMP ;)
[19:39] < g-katze> huebi> Ja. Ich hasse Skatol auch, aber der Weg zum Erfolg führt meistens durch die Darmgegend von Entscheidungsträgern.#
[19:40] < g-katze> th> was willst du wissen ?
[19:40] < g-katze> Shortest Path Routing ?
[19:40] < th> g-katze: ich brauechte da mal ne uebungsaufgabe geloest
[19:40] < g-katze> Na dann sag an.
[19:40] < th> hab hier ein netz mit routern und kanten
[19:40] < th> und entsprechend kantengewichte
[19:41] < g-katze> kanten ?
[19:41] < th> einmal SPR bitte inkl. erlaeuterung fuer jeden schritt und die entstehende datenstruktur aufzeichnen
[19:41] < th> kanten = verbindungen
[19:42] < g-katze> gehts um OSPF oder heisst das SPR ?
[19:42] < g-katze> open shortest path first ?
[19:43] < th> SPR heisst das
[19:43] < th> shortest path routing
[19:44] < g-katze> welche rfc ?
[19:44] < snyke> hm lol
[19:45] < snyke> auf #flood piped einer seinen inhalt von /dev zeile für zeile *G*
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[19:46] < th> g-katze: keine ahnung ich war nicht in der vorlesung
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[19:47] < tsa> tag
[19:47] < g-katze> th> SPR kenn ich nicht. Sorry. Keine Aussage von meiner Seite.
[19:58] < g-katze> snyke> flood flood flood *G*
[20:01] < huebi> hi tsa
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[20:01] < huebi> hi holyolli
[20:01] < holyolli> re
[20:02] < holyolli> hu huebi
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[20:05] < owl> hi
[20:05] < huebi> hi owl
[20:08] < tsa> hi huebi
[20:08] < tsa> hi owl
[20:08] < tsa> hi holyolli
[20:08] < owl> hi tsa
[20:09] < rolla> re
[20:10] < tsa> hi rolla
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[20:14] < holyolli> hi tsa
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[20:21] < uninvited> re
[20:22] < term_aweh> anyone ever seen a tool to convert doc-files to pdf?
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[20:23] < holyolli> hi uninvited
[20:23] < holyolli> hi netcrow
[20:23] < netcrow> hi holyolli
[20:24] < term_aweh> hi btw :]
[20:25] < netcrow> uninvited: still here?
[20:26] < uninvited> netcrow> aye
[20:31] < esden> fsck gentoo ... it is not even able to compile xfree86 !!!
[20:31] < esden> argh
[20:31] < esden> and the USE variables are not working
[20:31] < esden> >_<
[20:33] -!- blindcoder [crash@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
[20:33] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[20:33] < esden> hi blindcoder
[20:34] < netcrow> the good "You have new mail" on apollo is not longer there?
[20:35] < esden> no idea ...
[20:35] < huebi> brb
[20:38] < uninvited> how do you unset variables like $LANGUAGE etc ?
[20:38] < blindcoder> export LANGUAGE=""
[20:38] < blindcoder> ?
[20:39] < th> unexport
[20:39] < th> hmm
[20:39] < th> it's unsetenv in tcsh
[20:39] < uninvited> th> no tcsh here
[20:40] < netcrow> import LANGUAGE="" ;-)
[20:40] < th> unset
[20:40] < th> unset LANGUAGE
[20:42] < fake> hm.
[20:42] < fake> shit.
[20:42] < fake> ... ?
[20:42] < netcrow> hi fake
[20:42] < fake> hi netti!
[20:43] < netcrow> what` up?
[20:43] < netcrow> +s
[20:43] < fake> netcrow: job?
[20:44]   blindcoder has a new "Brötchengeber"
[20:44] < fake> linux-2.4.18-sgi-indy-sound.patch.mips
[20:44] < fake> glibc-2002-01-20-finline.patch.mips
[20:45] < fake> glibc-2002-02-04-dlconflict.patch.mips
[20:45] < fake> *wee*
[20:45] < fake> finally i found them all
[20:45] < blindcoder> and? do they work?
[20:45] < uninvited> blidcoder> really ? Whom ?
[20:45] < fake> blindcoder: i will know - in 8 hrs.
[20:45] < esden> good fake ... nice fake ... you get a "lekerli" ;-)
[20:45] < fake> 7 hrs.
[20:45] < fake> *haps*
[20:45] < blindcoder> uninvited: is4it. but I still work @siemens ;) They just don't pay me anymore ;)
[20:46] < fake> blindcoder: that's how to employ people!
[20:46] < fake> "I still work @siemens ;) They just don't pay me anymore ;)"
[20:46] < blindcoder> fake: nooo, not that way
[20:46] < fake> hehe.
[20:46] < fake> would you work for me too?
[20:46] < blindcoder> fake: if you pay me 1900 EUR before taxes a month, then yes
[20:47] < fake> i'd never pay you i promise ;)
[20:47] < blindcoder> or lets say... 2300 EUR... I need a reason to change ;)
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[20:47] < uninvited> blindcoder> need a job ?
[20:48] < blindcoder> uninvited: depends...
[20:48] < uninvited> blindcoder> art thou a master of the programming arts ?
[20:48] < fake> arts?
[20:48] < uninvited> hehe
[20:48] < fake> kde sound daemon?
[20:48] < uninvited> ;-)
[20:48] < fake> *uargh*
[20:48] < uninvited> argh !
[20:49] < blindcoder> uninvited: let's say... I can come up with a few usable lines of code
[20:50] < esden> no blindcoder you come up with thousends of lines of code where only few are usable ;-)
[20:50] < netcrow> abstract programming art
[20:50] < esden> *fg*
[20:51] < blindcoder> the rest is comment ;)
[20:51] < esden> blindcoder: feel of his seat ... *lough*
[20:51] < blindcoder> esden: fell out of his seat...
[20:52] < esden> kk
[20:52] < blindcoder> good boy... now go and bite some bugs
[20:52] < esden> *grrr* *bite_blindcoder*
[20:53] < blindcoder> OY!!! I'M NOT A BUG!!!
[20:53] < fake> obfuscated coder.
[20:53] < blindcoder> I bug you sometimes, but I'm NOT A BUG!!!
[20:53] < fake> gdb blindcoder
[20:53] < fake> run
[20:53] < esden> obfuscated coder that stops five characters before finishing the code he should write ... ;-)
[20:54] < fake> hm. interesting breakpoint you have there.
[20:54]   blindcoder broken
[20:54] < fake> backtrace
[20:54] < fake> hm... it's a BrainBug
[20:54] < fake> kill
[20:54] < esden> aiiii ... /me being beaten up by blindcoder
[20:55] < fake> n
[20:55] < fake> ;-)
[20:55]   blindcoder dies
[20:55] < fake> i'de never kill you.
[20:56]   esden need food ... /me hunting eatable bugs ...
[20:56] < esden> edible ...
[20:56]   blindcoder is not edible...
[20:56]   blindcoder "liegt schwer im Magen"
[20:56] < fake> hm... i'd need some clifford now
[20:56]   blindcoder cuts off cliffords arm
[20:56] < holyolli> fake: hungry or why?
[20:56] < blindcoder> here you are
[20:56] < esden> fake: you need some cliffordisme  ???
[20:56] < fake> holyolli: questions about how to handle specialities
[20:57] < esden> that is what ripclaw calls the stuff that clifford produces I thik ...
[20:57] < fake> 125M     gcc-3.1-cvs.tar
[20:57] < esden> urgh ...
[20:57] < esden> big baby ;-)
[20:57] < blindcoder> that's... biig
[20:57] < fake> unbuilt!
[20:58] < fake> freshly from cvs...
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[20:59] < esden> fake: is it still hot ?
[20:59] < fake> esden: no. i've left it for a few hours
[20:59] < esden> fake: then it is now cold ... :-(
[20:59] < esden> fake: put it in the microwave ... ;-)
[20:59] < blindcoder> throw it into the microwave
[21:00] < fake> esden: that is indeed what i wanted to express.
[21:00] < fake> esden: I'll have to update ssh once more on apollo
[21:00] < esden> ???
[21:00] < fake> it's now 3.3privsep
[21:00] < esden> ok ... do it please
[21:00] < tsa> 3.4?
[21:00] < fake> 3.4 came out yesterday
[21:01] < esden> tell me when I have to restart my session please ...
[21:01] < fake> oh, blindcoder, by the way. if you ever wonder where your memory has gone - mldonkey _burns_ it.
[21:02] < fake> blindcoder: i have some quite impressive mrtg stats if you're interested.
[21:02] < blindcoder> fake: i know
[21:02] < blindcoder> show me
[21:02] < fake> blindcoder: just a second...
[21:07] < fake> .
[21:12] < blindcoder> ,
[21:13] < huebi> fake invoces a new measuremant for 1 second...
[21:13] < blindcoder> hehe
[21:14] < fake> huebi: blindcoer killed my status report. it should have been .oOo.oOo.oOo....
[21:14] < huebi> ;>
[21:15] < fake> o
[21:19] < th> O
[21:20] < tsa> .
[21:21] < th> that was wrong
[21:21] < tsa> grr!
[21:21] < tsa> ;)
[21:22] < huebi> "When will you've finished your work?" - "in three fakes" - "uhh, thats ages from now..."
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[21:25] < bluefire> Hi
[21:26] < fake> esden blindcoder: please reconnect. sshd updated.
[21:26] < esden> kk fake thanks
[21:26] < huebi> hi bluefire
[21:26] < esden> re hi all
[21:26] < fake> huebi: i /msg him from there on.
[21:27] < fake> just to clear things up ;)
[21:27] < esden> hi bluefire
[21:27] < rolla> damn apache :(
[21:28] < fake> people from US still don't like the native americans.... ;-)
[21:29] < huebi> rolla: Try M$ IIS ;->
[21:29] < rolla> ha ha
[21:29] < huebi> *g*
[21:29] < rolla> no I am just having trouble compiling it due to gcc lib problems :(
[21:29] < fake> rolla: on a rock box?
[21:29] < rolla> no no
[21:29] < rolla> Solaris 8
[21:30] < fake> *ugh*
[21:30] < rolla> I was just gripping
[21:30] < rolla> I got it fixed
[21:30] < rolla> hey they pay me to make these sun boxes go :)
[21:30] -!- mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
[21:30] < mike1> Hi all
[21:31] < huebi> hi mike1
[21:31] < holyolli> hi mike1
[21:31] < mike1> ;)
[21:32]   blindcoder now off for bzflag
[21:32] < fake> blindcoder: have fun!
[21:34] < esden> bluefire: gamer :-P
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[21:34] < mike1> hi esden
[21:34] < fake> esden: bl-tab is not unique ;)
[21:34] < uninvited> Hola mike1
[21:34] < uninvited> test
[21:35] < esden> argh ...
[21:35] < esden> yes ...
[21:35] < mike1> sup uninvited
[21:35]   esden schoot -> irssi
[21:36] < huebi> esden: use telnet.
[21:36] < huebi> *eg*
[21:36] < holyolli> has anybody heard a word from rxr today?
[21:36] < huebi> holyolli: no
[21:36] < mike1> holyolli: i havent heard from rxr for quite a while
[21:37] < uninvited> mike1 just wanna hail some greetings over to cr
[21:37] < fake> me either
[21:37] < esden> huebi: good idea ...
[21:38] < esden> huebi: it is not a joke but I have done it some time ago !!!
[21:38] < mike1> uninvited: thanks greetings back to de
[21:38] < esden> huebi: I was learning the irc protocol ... the problem is that the timouts between commands and pings are very short ... >_<
[21:39] < fake> esden: use keyboard makros.
[21:39] < esden> fake: ahh that is a really good idea ... I will have to try it
[21:40] < mike1> anyone have some good urls where i can get documentation on running Linux on a JavaStation 1 ? or maybe sugestions?
[21:41] < bluefire> esden: nope ;)
[21:42] < esden> bluefire: I wanted to say it to blindcoder ... sorry ...
[21:42] < bluefire> esden: I know.
[21:45] < chrisime> hi esden
[21:46] < esden> hi chrisime
[21:47] < chrisime> esden: https://gnome.org/start/2.0/ willst auch rocklinux mit auf der liste ham?
[21:48] < esden> ja sure ..
[21:48] < fake> jaaaa!
[21:48] < chrisime> ok
[21:48] < chrisime> dann brauch ich url
[21:48] < chrisime> mirrors
[21:48] < chrisime> etc.
[21:49] < fake> https://www.rocklinux.org
[21:49] < chrisime> hab grad suse urls bekommen
[21:49] < chrisime> fake: erm...
[21:49] < fake> da sind mirrors drauf
[21:49] < fake> erm?
[21:49] < chrisime> wo krieft man die pakete
[21:50] < esden> fake weisst du es ?
[21:50] < esden> wo ist der rxr
[21:50] < esden> der macht dass
[21:50] < fake> chrisime: don't trust the binaries ;-)
[21:50] < esden> hat jemand die telly von rxr
[21:50] < fake> drock.dyndns.org mal sehen
[21:50] < chrisime> bzw. wo is ne beschreibung wie man src bekommt
[21:50] < chrisime> esden: ja wo is rxr
[21:50] < fake> www.rocklinux.org/getting.html
[21:51] < esden> fake: ja die url sollte reichen ... glaube ich ...
[21:51] < esden> chrisime: sage mir deine email addy ... dann werde ich dich anschreiben wenn irgendwass sich aendern sollte was die url angeht
[21:51] < chrisime> chrisime@gnome.org
[21:51] < esden> ich muss nur den rxr irgendwie erreichen
[21:51] < esden> chrisime: danke
[21:52] < fake> ROCK Linux - never trust a binary.
[21:52] < rolla> :)
[21:52] < chrisime> erm
[21:52] < chrisime> wo is da ne spezifische anleitung fuer gnome?
[21:52] < chrisime> ich weiss
[21:52] < esden> aaaaarrrrgggh ... wer hat die nummer von rxr ????
[21:52] < chrisime> ich hab au nur src hier
[21:52] < chrisime> fake: garnome
[21:53] < chrisime> never trust debian ;-)
[21:53] < fake> chrisime: du buildest ganz normal. dann is gnome2 dabei.
[21:54] < fake> kannst sogar im Build-Menu angeben, wo du es lieber hast - in /opt/gnome2 oder woanders...
[21:54] < esden> fake: es geht darum wie du rock auf gnome updatest ...
[21:54] < esden> ich meine auf gnome2.0 updatest
[21:54] < fake> oha.
[21:54] < fake> 1.5 ?
[21:55] < esden> ja auch
[21:55] < esden> oder nur ...
[21:55] < esden> dass ist was der chrisime braucht
[21:55] < esden> jemand muss es schreiben ... und huebi sollte es machen oder der rxr
[21:55] < esden> ich rufe mal den huebi an
[21:55] < esden> momment
[21:55]   fake ruettelt huebi wach.
[21:55] < chrisime> genau
[21:56] < huebi> jo
[21:56] < fake> hehe.
[21:56] < chrisime> hey huebi ;-)
[21:56] < fake> huebi: pkgs gnome2 fuer 1.5 ? wo ?
[21:56] < fake> wer ?
[21:56]   mike1 away
[21:56] < fake> wenn nicht dann online stellen ?
[21:56] < huebi> fake: die gibt es nu in drock. mom
[21:56] < fake> sofort ?
[21:56] < fake> ;-)
[21:56] < esden> ahh da ist huebi
[21:57] < chrisime> gentoo wird geadded grad
[21:57] < chrisime> also beeilung hungs ;-)
[21:57] < esden> gut dann muss ich bingo nicht finanziell strapazieren ... ;-)
[21:57] < esden> arghsl
[21:57] < chrisime> jungs
[21:57] < chrisime> net hungs ;-)
[21:57] < esden> huebi bitte !!! *heul*
[21:57] < fake> chrisime: wir haben ja zwei branches. 1.7 -> im standard build drin. ist aber noch DEV
[21:57] < chrisime> ich weiss
[21:57] < chrisime> ich wuerd zu gern mal rocklinux probieren
[21:57] < fake> gut :)
[21:58] < chrisime> oder gentoo was auch super sein soll
[21:58] < fake> 1.5 is es im dRock - Desktop ROCK Linux dabei
[21:58] < chrisime> mein server mit debian ist am krachen im tagesrhythmus und ich weiss net was putt ist
[21:58] < esden> ja ... aber es geht um updaten ... *heul*
[21:59] < fake> esden: easy.
[21:59] < fake> pkg-remove gnome
[21:59] < esden> ok ...
[21:59] < fake> pkg-instal
[21:59] < fake> pkg-install gnome2
[21:59] < esden> und dann muessen wir die binary tars online stellen
[21:59] < fake> err.
[21:59] < esden> dann passt die sache ...
[21:59] < chrisime> kann jemand ne super primitive html seite schreiben
[21:59] < chrisime> das waere gut, das koennte man dann adden
[21:59] < fake> esden: genau. und irgendwo muessen die ja sein - dRock kann ja net install.
[22:00]   chrisime wundert sich warum von 1.5 geredet wird, dachte 1.6 waere raus
[22:00] < esden> ja ... und wo ist der drock maintainer ?
[22:00] < huebi> ftp://drocklinux.dyndns.org/drock/source/pkg-config/ <- gnome 1.4 fuer drock
[22:00] < esden> chrisime: noch nicht ..
[22:00] < esden> huebi: dass sind die configs .. aber nicht die tars mit binary dirnnen ...
[22:00] < huebi> 1.4 wuerde ich mal sagen...
[22:00] < esden> hmm ...
[22:01] < huebi> esden: Wer will dass?
[22:01] < esden> ok ... wie wollen wir dann beschreiben wie die leute auf gnome2 updaten sollen ?
[22:01] < esden> aber ich habe ne idee
[22:01] < esden> download the rock source from ...
[22:01] < esden> then unpack it
[22:01] < chrisime> esden: ach, gibt noch kein 1.6?
[22:01] < huebi> wenn ihr alle 1.5 halbfertig stehen laesst und am 1.7 rumbastelt, wird 1.6 so schnell nicht rauskommen!
[22:01] < esden> then download gnome sources
[22:02] < chrisime> wow, ihr habt das gleiche prob das gnome mit 1.4.1 hatte
[22:02] < esden> then run ./scripts/Build-Pkg gnome2
[22:02] < chrisime> das kam auch erst vor kurzem raus
[22:02] < esden> aber dass ist nicht alles ... leider
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[22:02] < chrisime> esden: just create a short html file which explains how to install gnome2
[22:02] < esden> ok ... hehe
[22:02] < chrisime> either on rock1.5 or 1.7
[22:03] < esden> download gnome sources ... install them ready
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[22:03]   esden testing ... gnome update
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[22:03] < fake> chrisime: there is no official installation outside the development chambers of Rock 1.7
[22:03] < huebi> 1.6 kommt erst raus, wenn _alles_ stabil ist.
[22:03] < fake> as there are no CDs/ISOSs yet.
[22:04] < chrisime> fake: also, kein off. gnome2 fuer 1.5 und 1.7?
[22:04] < chrisime> schoen langsam kapier ich nix mehr
[22:04] < fake> chrisime: DOCH!
[22:04] < fake> chrisime: ich bin 1.7. in 1.7 wird es standardmaessig kompiliert. -punkt-
[22:05] < fake> chrisime: wir haben fuer 1.7 allerdings uns noch nicht auf ein paketformat festgelegt und auch noch kein install-system.
[22:05] < huebi> 22:03 < fake> as there are no CDs/ISOSs yet.
[22:05] < fake> chrisime: deswegen gibte s von 1.7 auch noch keine releases.
[22:05] < huebi> 22:03 < fake> as there are no CDs/ISOSs yet. <- bloedsinn!
[22:05] < fake> nur development snapshots.
[22:05] < chrisime> fake: aja
[22:06] < chrisime> hab esden gsagt, ihr sollt debian-package sys adoptieren
[22:06] < chrisime> das is gut
[22:06] < fake> chrisime: dRock - a branch of 1.5 Rock has reached Version 1.6 a while a go.
[22:06] < chrisime> dRock == ?
[22:06] < fake> rxr is dafuer zustaendig/verantwortlich
[22:06] < fake> dRock == Rock 1.5 adopted and a bite desktopified by rxr.
[22:07] < huebi> 22:06 < fake> chrisime: dRock - a branch of 1.5 Rock has reached Version 1.6 a while a go.
[22:07] < huebi> 22:06 < fake> chrisime: dRock - a branch of 1.5 Rock has reached Version 1.6 a while a go. <FALSCH!
[22:07] < chrisime> ihr wiederholt euch ;-)
[22:08] < fake> huebi; Desktop ROCK Linux 1.6 - hab ich sogar runtergeladen... ?
[22:08] < huebi> Desktop ROCK Linux != ROCK Linux
[22:08] < fake> https://www.rocklinux.de/projects/drock/1.6.0.html
[22:08] < th> schon weil rock ja ne metadist is ;->
[22:08] < fake> ja.... ein target vonr ROCK ;P
[22:08] < esden> hmm .. ich glaube dass hier was ich mache macht wenig sinn ... nachdenk ...
[22:09] < th> esden: was tust du?
[22:09] < esden> dass muesste ausgearbeitet werden wie wir mit sowas umgehen .. wie updates ...
[22:09] < chrisime> *sigh*
[22:09] < esden> chrisime: nicht verwirren lassen ...
[22:09] < fake> huebi: oh. 1.6.0 is not yet released.
[22:09] < fake> huebi: you are right.
[22:09] < chrisime> esden: gibts gnome2 fuer 1.6?
[22:09] < chrisime> das wuerde mir reichen
[22:10] < fake> chrisime: just link to the webpage... i can only promise you that gnome2 is standard in Rock 1.7
[22:10] < esden> th: ich ueberlege gerade wie man eine beschreibung basteln koennte wie rockilnux auf gnome2 upgedatet werden kann
[22:10] < th> esden: oum
[22:10] < th> esden: ich mag ion ;)
[22:10] < chrisime> geht gnome2 auch mit 1.6pre?
[22:10] < esden> chrisime: ja gibt es
[22:10] < chrisime> oder nur 1.7?
[22:10] < chrisime> ok
[22:10] < fake> *seufz*
[22:10] < chrisime> dann geb ich https://www.rocklinux.de/projects/drock/1.6.0.html + www.rocklinux.org/getting.html an
[22:10] < fake> chrisime: man KANN auch auf 1.5
[22:10] < fake> allerdings muss erst jmd. die pakete bauen...
[22:11] < chrisime> any objections?
[22:11] < fake> nein die erste nich
[22:11] < fake> nur die letztere....
[22:11] < chrisime> die erste?
[22:11] < chrisime> letzte?
[22:11] < chrisime> welche nun?
[22:11] < fake> die erstere reiste besagt: "1.6.0 is not yet released."
[22:11] < esden> chrisime: ja nur www.rocklinux.org/getting.html linken
[22:11] < fake> seite
[22:11] < esden> chrisime: dass reicht
[22:11] < esden> finde ich ...
[22:12] < huebi> chrisime: gnome2 kann es fuer 1.6 geben, wenn irgend jemand sich endlich mal die Muehe macht und den 1.7er Kram backportet. Wir haben im Moment nur eine sehr veraltete 1.4.0 oder 1.4.1. Der Rest ist, und wenn das hier so weiter geht, wird auch nicht in der naechsten 6 Monaten released!!!!
[22:12] < chrisime> aja
[22:12] < chrisime> ok
[22:12] < chrisime> ich sags drfickle
[22:12]   huebi ist sauer!
[22:13] < fake> huebi: was soll ich tun? bis ich mich in 1.5 eingearbeitet hab...
[22:13] < esden> huebi: ich mache jetzt auch wieder an 1.5 ich werde mein bestes tun ...
[22:14] < chrisime> oh, das n chaos hier ;-)
[22:14] < esden> chrisime: ja ... immer
[22:14] < esden> aber wir kennen uns einiegermassen aus dass reicht ...
[22:14] < huebi> Ich stecke neben meiner Arbeit jeden Tag mindestens 6h in ROCK 1.5. Wenn die extensions nicht alle funktionieren, dann auch keine Release! Da gibt es maintainer, die ihren schrott einfach so stehen lassen. Das ist keine distribution!
[22:14]   chrisime is fscking confused now
[22:15] < huebi> Die Home page von ROCK ist fuer den Arsch! nichts zu finden! Die darf man niemanden zeigen!
[22:16] < esden> huebi: keine panik ... dann machen wird dass die reliable sind ... ich muss aber pruefungen schreiben ... und an dem alpha port auch basteln .. dietlibc muss ich auch machen ... und installdisks auch  ....
[22:16] < esden> s/wird/wir/
[22:16] < esden> chrisime: lassmas
[22:16] < huebi> esden: Ich mache hier dei maintainership _und_ den sparc64 port.
[22:17] < huebi> alph kommt diese woche auch noch dazu.
[22:17] < huebi> +a
[22:17] < esden> ich glaube dass ist besser dass wir noch im hintergrund bleiben solange wir keine struktur hier reinbekommen haben
[22:17] < esden> huebi: du willst jetzt an alpha basteln ?
[22:17] < huebi> esden: Nein. Ich werde das nur testen. das reicht schon.
[22:18] < esden> huebi: ja .. ok
[22:18] < esden> ich habe schon gedacht du willst dich spalten ...
[22:18] < esden> ;-)
[22:19] < esden> naja ... dass tust jetzt auch schon ...
[22:19] < fake> nochmal ?
[22:19] < chrisime> esden: huh?
[22:19] < esden> fake: ????
[22:19] < fake> nochmal spalten (huebi)
[22:20] < esden> chrisime: ???
[22:20] < huebi> und als aller erstes brauchen wir jemand der nur die HP macht. www.rocklinux.net ist seit 2 Tagen platt. Und das design, nicht das Aussehen, muss nun endlich mal entworfen werden.
[22:20] < esden> naja ... ich gehe mal auf die natalie ... und versuche mal paar bugs zu fressen
[22:20] < bluefire> Ich hab zwar nix zu sagen und so, aber ich glaub die Website zumindest benutzbar zu machen ist so einer der Punkte die ich für am wichtigsten halten würde. Danach ISO Images und dann der Rest.
[22:20] < esden> huebi: dass macht einer ...
[22:21] < huebi> bluefire: ACK!
[22:21] < esden> aber ... vielleicht sollten es mehr leute sein ...
[22:21] < chrisime> esden: ich denk mal dass rocklinux auch draufkommt
[22:21] < chrisime> drfickle arbeitet dran
[22:21] < esden> chrisime: ok ...
[22:22] < esden> huebi: soll ich mich wieder hinsetzen und die seite nicht redesignen sondern umsortieren ?
[22:22] < huebi> esden: Nur ! Person fuer die HP und niemals mehr. Sonst wird das nichts.
[22:22] < esden> ich habe zwar keine zeit ... aber ...
[22:23] < huebi> esden: Ich stelle mir eine einzige Person vor, die nur und ausschliesslich die HP macht.
[22:23] < esden> zauber eine her ...
[22:23] < chrisime> je laenger die liste desto besser fuer gnome, und wenn rocklinux dabei, ein grund dass mehr leute rocklinux ueberhaupt entdekcne
[22:24] < chrisime> decken
[22:24] < huebi> __________________
[22:24] < huebi> < Ich mach' die HP >
[22:24] < huebi> ------------------
[22:24] < huebi>         \   ^__^
[22:24] < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
[22:24] < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
[22:24] < huebi>                 ||----w |
[22:24] < huebi>                 ||     ||
[22:24] < fake> Mathilda the WebMaster Cow
[22:24] < huebi> chrisime: ACK
[22:24] < tsa> argh
[22:25] < huebi> chrisime: Ich habe die naechsten 2 Wochen nur fuer ROCK Linux reserviert. Ich sehe zu, das gnome2 dann auch ROCK 1.5 portiert wird.
[22:26] < bluefire> Die Webmaster sind immer die gear...ten.. Wenn man was macht und stolz drauf ist, dann passts keinem. Wenn man versucht es den Leuten recht zu machen kommt schei..e dabei raus.
[22:27] < huebi> bluefire: Deshalb bekommt der Webmaster, wenn das Aussehen und die Struktur der site stehen, absolute Vollmacht ueber die Seite.
[22:27] < huebi> Deshalb auch nur eine Person.
[22:27] < chrisime> huebi: okok
[22:28] < huebi> Die Anderen koennen/sollen/duerfen/muessen beim Entwurf beitragen. Wenn die Site steht, hat nur noch der Webmaster was zu sagen. Alle anderen machen nur noch Inhalte.
[22:30] < huebi> bluefire: Willst du der neue Webmaster sein?
[22:30] < uninvited> ?
[22:30] < huebi> uninvited: jo?
[22:31] < bluefire> huebi: ich bin nicht wirklich masochistisch veranlagt
[22:31] < huebi> Dann macht es wohl "Mathilda the WebCowMaster" *eg*
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[22:31] < bluefire> huebi: Ich hab momental C++(evtl Fresco) und gtk-gnutella auf meinem Speiseplan stehen
[22:31] < esden> der webmasten muss jemand mit starken nerven sein ...
[22:32] < huebi> Mathilda hat fingerdicke Nerven.
[22:33] < fake> hm... webmaster...
[22:33] < fake> eh-eh.
[22:34] < huebi> wer in 3 sekunden nichts gesagt hat ist WebMeister! hehe
[22:34] < bluefire> hehe
[22:34] < huebi> .
[22:34] < fake> -
[22:34] < huebi> esden isses!
[22:34] < fake> esden hat nicht "nichts" gesagt?
[22:35] < fake> Mathilda hat auch nichts gesagt.
[22:35] < bluefire> Ich glaub ne Menge Leute hamm nix gesagt
[22:35] < huebi> Hat hier wirklich keiner Lust dazu?
[22:35] < esden> toll
[22:35] < bluefire> Es ist weniger die Lust als die Qualifikation und die Arschlochkarte :)
[22:36] < fake> ich bin eh mehr fuer eine WebMistress
[22:36] < esden> huebi: ich wuerde es machen ...
[22:36] < fake> aber esden ist kein designer
[22:36]   bluefire ist quasi webmaster in Firma
[22:36] < esden> fake: design ist scheiss egal
[22:36] < huebi> esden: Dunkelblau auf schwarz geht nicht.
[22:36] < bluefire> Die Designer machen eh nur shit
[22:36] < esden> es geht um inhalt
[22:36] < uninvited> ;-)
[22:36] < fake> esden: du hast doch keine ZEIT!!!
[22:36] < uninvited> Geile Diskussion !
[22:36] < esden> ja habe ich nicht
[22:36] < bluefire> Inhalt ist auch nicht Sache vom Webmaster
[22:36] < huebi> __________________
[22:36] < huebi> < Ich mach' die HP >
[22:36] < huebi> ------------------
[22:36] < huebi>         \   ^__^
[22:36] < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
[22:36] < esden> aber irgendjemand muss es machen
[22:36] < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
[22:37] < huebi>                 ||----w |
[22:37] < huebi>                 ||     ||
[22:37] < huebi>
[22:37] < esden> wenn alle keiner dass macht ... wer sonnst ...
[22:37] < esden> argh
[22:37]   esden ist jetzt auch 300 ... 180 waehre zu wenig
[22:37] < bluefire> Wie wärs den mit nem WikiWiki für ROCK. Das passt am besten zu dem Chaos hier
[22:38] < fake> WikiWiki ? Hey Hey Wiki...
[22:38] < h0h0> hehe
[22:38] < huebi> esden: fake hat recht. Du hast keine zeit oder, um es anders auszudruecken - wichtigeres zu tun.
[22:38] < h0h0> Wie wars den mit nem WikiWiki fur ROCK. looks lo funney when I cant understand it
[22:38] < h0h0> except for WikiWiki
[22:38] < fake> die wikinger... kommt spannt das segel an...
[22:39] < uninvited> nananaaaaaaaaaaaaaanaaaaa
[22:39] < fake> esden: we need a groupie.
[22:39] < bluefire> h0h0: translation: What about a WikiWikiWeb for the ROCK website. It mirrors the chaos in this channel pretty well
[22:39] < h0h0> its more funney untranslated
[22:39] < h0h0> funnier
[22:40] < uninvited> Groupies ?
[22:40] < bluefire> Was hat der Webserver eigentlich für möglichkeiten?
[22:41] < uninvited> Ihr braucht potenzielles Groupiematerial _
[22:41] < huebi> LAMMPPP
[22:41] < uninvited> ?
[22:41] < bluefire> CGI, php, python, zope?
[22:41] < uninvited> BAMP !
[22:41] < h0h0> groupiematerial
[22:41] < uninvited> Ich koennte da schon groupiematerial bereit machen ;-)
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[22:42] < esden> huebi: ja ich habe zu tun ... viel zu tun ... aber wer macht die homepage dann .. dem man auch vertrauen kann dass er es macht
[22:43] < esden> mir ist dass design im momment scheiss egal ... wir brauchen struktur in den seiten ... und infos die up to date sind
[22:43] < fake> esden: du musst auch delegieren koennen. nur weil du es nicht selbermachst heisst das nicht dass es schlecht wird.,
[22:43] < esden> der clifford hat auch zu wenig zeit
[22:43] < bluefire> esden: Naja... viel schlimmer als es schon ist kann mans ja kaum machen.
[22:43] < esden> bluefire: ich weiss ...
[22:44] < esden> der clifford hat kaum zeit ... und bestimmt kein bock dass zu machen
[22:44] < bluefire> Ich könnte mir's mal ansehen, aber versprechen würd ich erstmal nix. Ihr habt ja teilweise selbst keinen Plan was wo liegt und was überhaupt existiert.
[22:44] < fake> esden: abusing das theme-system vom bchat - solange bis wir uns auf ein design einigen koennen...
[22:44] < esden> was ist mit jocelin .. die hat doch zugang zu den seiten ...
[22:44] < uninvited> LOL
[22:44] < fake> dann koennen wir die inhalte eintrichtern... und das design on-the-fly aendern
[22:44] < esden> fake: rofl ... ja dass stimmt ... aber dazu braucht man php ... und cliff will es nicht ... >_<
[22:45]   esden hat lust amok zu laufen
[22:45] < fake> esden: call on the mailinglist
[22:45] < esden> fake: rofl ... alsob dass was bringen wuerde ...
[22:45] < bluefire> php ist nicht die einzige Sprache für dynamische Seiten.
[22:45] < esden> aber ich kann schon was schreiben ...
[22:45] < uninvited> Na gut, viel spass noch. Ich geh poppen ;-)
[22:45] < esden> ich werde dann zwar geflamed ... aber scheiss drauf
[22:45] < esden> cu uni viel spass
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[22:47] < huebi> Keiner, der an ROCK Linux irgend etwas entwickelt kann die Seiten machen. Dies Leute haben naemlich "keine Zeit"
[22:47] < tsa> hehe
[22:47] < esden> huebi: stimmt
[22:48] < huebi> Wir brauchen auch jemanden, der ueberhaupt keine Lust hat an ROCK Linux zu entwickeln, sonst hat diese Person auch "keine Zeit"
[22:49] < esden> argh .. f*** ich bin sooo bloed ...
[22:49] < esden> ich habe _nodel_ vergessen
[22:49] < fake> huebi: ACK /keine Zeit\
[22:49] < huebi> Sondern jemanden, der sich mit einer richtig tollen Site ins rechte Licht ruecken will.
[22:49] < fake> huebi: Cliff's freundin?
[22:50] < fake> a. bloede idee...
[22:50] < huebi> * esden hat gerade noch weniger Zeit bekommen
[22:50] < esden> huebi ... ich werde die rock scripte umbauen so dass die sachen standardmaessig nicht geloescht werden ... und wenn du aufreumen willst musst cleanup script per hand laufen lassen
[22:50] < esden> ist dass ok ?
[22:50] < huebi> esden: oK MACHE ES BITTE.
[22:50] < esden> so wird es in 1.7 gemacht dass ist gut finde ich
[22:50] < esden> huebi: kk wird sofort gemacht
[22:51] < tsa> kk?
[22:51] < fake> == 01:00:37 =[1]=> Building base/gcc3 [cvs 1.7.0-DEV-200206232227].
[22:51] < fake> man bemerke die version.
[22:51] < term_aweh> good night
[22:51] < huebi> fake: der ist ja noch pre-Alpha...
[22:51] < tsa> hm..
[22:51] < fake> night term_aweh
[22:51] < mike1> n8 term_aweh
[22:52] < huebi> cu term_aweh
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[22:52] < tsa> abwarten, ob der auch wirklich baut..
[22:52] < fake> huebi: gcc 3.1 ausm cvs?
[22:52] < fake> 3.1.1
[22:52] < tsa> gcc cvs *grusel*
[22:52] < tsa> wer macht denn sowas?
[22:52] < fake> ich brauche fuer den mips port gcc cvs und glibc cvs
[22:52] < fake> oder 2 MB patches
[22:53] < huebi> fake: kidding ;-))
[22:53] < fake> ( diff gcc gcc-cvs > gcc-works-on-mips.patch.mips )
[22:53] < fake> ;-)
[22:55] < fake> Bad arg length for Socket::unpack_sockaddr_in, length is 4095, should be 16 at /usr/lib/perl/5.6.1/Socket.pm line 156, <COLOR> line 349827.
[22:55] < fake> @esden
[22:55] < fake> * esden hat gerade noch weniger Zeit bekommen
[22:56] < fake> https://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/
[22:56] < fake> (!!)
[22:56] < fake> Rock Linux (development snapshots)
[22:57] < esden> ** Testing **
[22:57] < esden> Free Disk Space: 6979 MB -> ok.
[22:57] < esden> Note: This version of rock is no more running Cleanup at default
[22:57] < esden>       to clean up run ./scripts/Cleanup explicitly.
[22:57] < esden> ** Building Stage 1 **
[22:57] < esden> is it ok ?
[22:57] < huebi> esden: jo.
[22:58] < huebi> gibt es irgend ein script um bind neue adressen beizubringen?
[22:58] < fake> festbind.sh
[22:58] < fake> ;-)
[22:58] < huebi> hihi
[22:58] < huebi> *rofl*
[22:59] < tsa> echo "blah in a 127.0.0.1" >> zonefile ?
[23:00] < fake> Cleanup !by! default @ esden
[23:00] < fake> no longer
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[23:00] < huebi> tsa: jo sowas..
[23:01] < esden> fake: yes please correct this sentence ...
[23:01]   esden ok correcting
[23:01] < fake> Note: This version of rock is no longer running Cleanup by default.
[23:02] < fake> und remove das explicitly.
[23:05] < esden> done
[23:05] < tsa> huebi: hm...seh' ich keine verwendung fuer....vi zonefile ist definitiv einfacher...
[23:06] < esden> huebi: ci done
[23:07] < huebi> esden: danke
[23:07] < esden> huebi: bitte ... _SEHR_ gern geschehen ;-)
[23:08] < huebi> tsa: So habe ich das bisher auch immer gemacht. Ich habe irgendwann mal webmin benutzt, und der hat dann meine seeheim.lan.db und 192.168.100.rev gleichzeitig geupdeted
[23:08] < esden> huebi: I hope that this change is not braking anything ... you are allowed to kill me if I broke something ;-)
[23:08]   huebi searchind for micro nukes...
[23:09]   huebi found a big one ...
[23:09] < huebi> ;-))))))
[23:09] < esden> argh fsck ... now I have to wait for 2 hours for this fscking glibc ... argh ... glibc is so terribly bloted ... I hate this fscking crap #$%^!@$@%@#%
[23:09] < huebi> esden: I'll never kill you. I just ripp your time ...
[23:09] < esden> huebi: that is ok too ;-)
[23:10] < esden> but I need my time :-(
[23:10] < huebi> *g*
[23:10] < esden> but what the hell ... I do (nearly) everything for you ;-)
[23:11] < fake> from somwhere i here voices shouting: blow-job! blow-job!
[23:11] < esden> woot woot /rock-linux/dist/usr/include/linux/autoconf.h is there ... *jump*
[23:12] < esden> fake: ??? do you need one ? shell I come by ? ;-)
[23:12] < esden> with drachi ?
[23:12] < esden> ;-)
[23:12] < fake> esden: no. definitely: _noblow_
[23:13] < esden> ok ...
[23:13] < esden> :P
[23:13]   tsa wondering..
[23:13] < fake> tsa: 'bout what?
[23:14]   esden editing the alpha site
[23:14] < tsa> fake: esden, you and blowjobs..
[23:15] < esden> tsa: I am always blowing in my computer so that the processor does not get too hot ... from compiling all the time ...
[23:16]   fake is no computer
[23:16] < fake> not yet
[23:16] < fake> unfortunately.
[23:19] < esden> fake: get to the wired ;-)
[23:20] < esden> or how it is being spelled ...
[23:20]   esden needs a spellchecker for irc
[23:21] < fake> esden: bin ich doch schon....
[23:21] < esden> is there a tool that can show the io usage of a machine ?
[23:22] < fake> we are all conected
[23:22] < fake> esden: psmisc
[23:22] < fake> or sysstat
[23:22] < fake> gives you solaris-like iostat
[23:22] < fake> sysstat is the official name i think
[23:22] < esden> ok ... freshmeat ?
[23:23] < fake> have a look
[23:23] < fake> kannst auch nach iostat suchen
[23:24] < esden> hmm ... we are on the site : https://www.gnome.org/start/2.0/
[23:24] < esden> fake: will do
[23:24] < huebi> /etc/init.d/nfsd stop - must be fixed. does not kill all processes
[23:24] < fake> esden: as i already mentioned before, yes.
[23:25] < huebi> fake: sysstat 4.0.x
[23:26] < fake>
[23:29] < esden> fake: ok sorry ... #-|
[23:30]   esden installing sysstat
[23:35]   huebi playing with Krups
[23:35] < esden> ok sysstat working ...
[23:36] < fake> iostat <interval>
[23:36] < fake> i love that tool
[23:37] < fake> esden: try sar
[23:37] < fake> "sar"
[23:38] < fake> a backlog of system events
[23:38] < esden> Cannot open /var/log/sa/sa27: No such file or directory
[23:38] < esden> ???
[23:38] < fake> hast du den sad laufen?
[23:38] < fake> daemon...
[23:39] < esden> hmm ... /me not finding the sad binary
[23:43] < esden> hmm it is called sadc
[23:43] < esden> ..
[23:44] < fake> oh, sorry...
[23:46] < esden> fake: np
[23:46] < mike1> cu
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[23:52] < fake> gcc cvs building...
[23:55] < fake> esden: was machst du samstag abend?
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[23:57] < tsa_> re
[23:57] < fake> hi tsa______
[23:57] < holyolli> re tsa
[23:57] < fake> tsa-mit-fussabstreifer.
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[23:59] < tsa__> grrr.
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-!- Irrsi  Log closed Fri Jun 28 00:00:43 2002