--- Log opened Fri Jun 28 00:00:43 2002
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00:07 < esden> fake: hmm .. ich glaube ich bin im kino ... warum ?
00:07 < fake> cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error
00:07 < fake> esden: hm... weil drachi & ich noch nicht wissen was wir Sa Abend machen
00:07 < huebi> Krups is up and running :-))) *freu*
00:08 < esden> fake: wieviel uhr heisst abend ?
00:08 < holyolli> huebi: krupps?
00:08 < holyolli> küchenmaschine=
00:08 < fake> naja 19:00 - ??
00:08 < huebi> JavaStation-NC
00:08 < holyolli> oh
00:08 < esden> fake: ja ... um 20 oder so werde ich ins kino gehen ... ist leider schon reserviert ...
00:09 < fake> welcher film?
00:09 < esden> erkan und stefan
00:09 < huebi> holyolli: nit 1.5.12 fuer sparc64
00:09 < fake> >_<
00:09 * fake uses 1.6.0-rc1 for X86-64
00:10 < huebi> nacht zusammen. bubu machen...
00:10 < esden> danach oder am sonntag kannma uns treffen ... 
00:10 < fake> esden: sonntag eh-eh. 
00:10 < holyolli> n8 huebi
00:10 < tsa> cu huebi
00:10 < esden> fake: wann fahrst am sonntag ?
00:10 * -> esden smoking
00:10 < fake> esden: sonntag my family. meine schwester und meine nichte saind da.
00:10 < fake> huebi: gute nacht!
00:11 < huebi> ich liebe das: Ein UNIX-System einfach abschalten :-))))
00:11 < fake> huebi: moerder! ;-)
00:11 < huebi> son8 und wech...
00:11 < huebi> fake: Mit richtigen Computern kann man das machen...
00:12 * fake hat neulich DOS gebootet... und ewig versucht. shutdown... halt...
00:12 < fake> SysReq
00:12 < fake> ich hab mich nich getraut einfach auszuschalten ;)
00:12 < huebi> fake: das kenne ich. Aber die JS sieht schon ganz anders aus...
00:13 < fake> huebi: ich weiss.
00:13 < fake> wo keine festplatte ist kann es auch keine kaputten Inodes geben ;)
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00:19 < chrisime> esden: rocklinux is nun dabei
00:20 < th> SMP: ping
00:20 < fake> chrisime: schon bemerkt ;-)
00:21 < fake> th: SMP is um 8 ins bett oder so
00:21 < fake> oder um 5 ?
00:21 < th> der kommt doch auch immer nochmal wieder
00:21 < fake> schlafstoerungen? Insmonia Coffeina ?
00:21 < th> 16:26:48  * SMP goes to bed
00:22 < chrisime> fake: ah fein
00:22 < fake> chrisime: danke!
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00:23 < holyolli> oki...have a nice sleep ;-)
00:23 < holyolli> cya
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00:26 < bluefire> Good night
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00:26 < chrisime> fake: ich danke
00:26 < chrisime> ich geh dann mal
00:26 < chrisime> ciao leutZ
00:26 < chrisime> n8!
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00:28 < esden> ...
00:28 < th> esden: wie is der mate status?
00:29 < esden> th: dass wollte ich schon vorher sagen ... ich werde es nicht schaffen hinzufahren ... lack of time/transport ... >_<
00:29 < esden> sorry
00:29 < th> ueberhauptnicht oder nicht vor diesem WE?
00:29 < esden> nicht vor diesem wochenende
00:31 < th> haelst du naechstes WE fuer schaffbar?
00:31 < th> faehrt fake da auch?
00:31 < esden> th nein ... oder @ fake
00:31 < fake> nein. das wiederspraeche einem 2-wochen-takt.
00:31 < th> fake: aha. 2-wochentakt *notier*
00:31 < fake> th: stop
00:31 < fake> streich das.
00:32 < esden> loool
00:32 < th> *streich*
00:32 < fake> das ist inkorrekt.
00:32 < th> inkorrekt *notier*
00:32 < fake> es lautet: 2 mal im monat.
00:32 < th> ok
00:32 < fake> Absatz.
00:32 < th> </P>
00:32 < fake> *lol*
00:33 < esden> argh argh argh ... /me will kill glibc ... i want to kill it ... I want to drain a blade through it ... it is too big ... 
00:34 < esden> not drain
00:34 < esden> stick in ? ... what is the correct term ?
00:34 < fake> th: but you should try to find s/o from nuernberg as a basepoint
00:34 < fake> because driving IN -> NUE -> IN is nothing you do in half an hour
00:34 < esden> yes that is right ...
00:35 < esden> I can not do it very regularly ... you can note it ;-)
00:35 < esden> I can try ... but ... 
00:35 < th> once per month?
00:35 < fake> have we rocked nuernberg yet?
00:35 < esden> fake: not yet AFAIK
00:35 < fake> we should shout it out on the website.
00:36 < fake> let's hack nuernberg.de
00:36 < fake> fake@jana:~$ telnet nuernberg.de 22
00:36 < fake> Trying 212.34.172.206...
00:36 < fake> Connected to wwwneu.nuernberg.de.
00:36 < fake> Escape character is '^]'.
00:36 < fake> SSH-1.5-OpenSSH_3.1p1
00:37 < fake> should'nt be too hard.
00:37 < esden> fake: get the exploit somewhere ...
00:37 < fake> esden: i have other, by far more useful things to do.
00:38 < esden> fake: was only a suggestion ...
00:38 < fake> esden: if you have spare time....
00:40 < fake> echo "<html><body bgcolor='#FF0000'<center><table width='100%' height='100%'><tr><td><font size='6'> \/\/3 0\/\/|\|z0r j00! <br> Pjotr Esden Tempski </td></tr></table></center></body></html>" > index.html
00:41 < fake> s,00'<,00'><,
00:42 < esden> fake: yes sure
00:43 * -> esden > home
00:43 < esden> then 
00:43 * -> esden esden > /home/esden/bed
00:44 < fake> oops.
00:44 < fake> i just mirrored the rocklinux-hp on my hd.
00:49 < owl> g8 
00:49 < fake> n8!
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00:49 * fake wird dann auch mal
00:51 < fake> noch eine rauchen....
00:53 < fake> buffa!
00:54 < fake> gcc3-cvs builds!
00:54 < fake> err... quickshot.
00:54 < fake> still compiling.
00:54 < fake> <--- needs sleep.
01:40 < tsa> n8
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05:27 < uninvited> moin !
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07:13 < Bevin> Hi all
07:15 < uninvited> hi there
07:20 < huebi> moin !
07:29 < uninvited> Herr Huebi, good morning *G*
07:35 < uninvited> which is the standard dir for so`s ?
07:42 < huebi> hi uninvited 
07:42 < huebi>  /lib und /usr/lib
07:44 < uninvited> hmmm...looks like it doesn t work
07:44 < uninvited> let me check over
07:51 < uninvited> huebi> also das check ich nicht bei unix/linux. Diese verdammte verzeichnisstruktur ;-)
07:51 < uninvited> Wohin würde ich zum Beispiel J2SDK installieren ?
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08:40 < [anders]> re :)
08:40 < [anders]> Oooh ahh.. got the Shuttle case, the screen and the surge protecting power strip last night..
08:40 < [anders]> The rest of the kit is coming in today.. :)
08:40 < [anders]> only bad thing is the screen has one dead pixel on it.. :-/
09:16 * [anders] will be building a Shuttle box tonight.. Should be able to install it with Debian overnight and get devfs and all working.
09:16 < [anders]> So sometime this weekend I should be able to start building snapshots.. :)
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10:03 < esden> morning @ all 
10:03 < esden> yes the alpha build is in stage 3 !!! woot
10:05 < [anders]> re esden 
10:05 < esden> re [anders] 
10:06 < [anders]> which snapshots would be better to try out for a production system, 1.7.x or 1.5.x ?
10:07 < esden> 1.5 ! 1.7 is only development and VERY far from stable ;-)
10:08 < [anders]> Ok.. I'll be trying to build a snapshot sometime over the weekend.. To try out the new box.. :)
10:10 < [anders]> Uhm, where to get 1.5.x snapshots? 1.5.12 is the only thing I can find and that is a bit old now..
10:12 < esden>  one momene
10:12 < esden> t
10:14 < esden> [anders]: https://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/
10:15 < esden> here are the iso files and the tar.bz2 with the rocklinux sources
10:18 < [anders]> excellent.. I'll bookmark that so I can get to it later..
10:23 * th is still in bed.
10:38 * [anders] wonders if th is a student...
10:43 * -> esden still @ home & half naked ;-)
10:43 < esden> and I will stay at home today ;-)
10:47 < [anders]> Had my kit I ordered turned up this morning, I might have considered taking the day off.. ;-)
11:14 < esden> huebi !!!! 
11:14 * -> esden needs some huebi 
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11:24 < fake> ohayooo
11:28 < esden> good morning fake *nod*
11:29 < esden> fake: do you know if xinerama is currently supported by WindowMaker ?
11:31 < esden> this new kernel build scripts in 1.6 are providing terrible headakes.
11:35 < fake> 1.6 ?
11:38 < fake> Linux 1.6.0 ? ;-)
11:39 < blindcoder> ohayo, mina-san
11:40 < fake> hm... ne 1.7 snapshot, but the no Changes in the Changelog
11:40 < blindcoder> damn... I accidentally deleted half of my base-archive >_<
11:41 < fake> hi blindcoder !
11:41 < esden> yes .. I mean 1.5 ...
11:41 < esden> I missed the key
11:41 < esden> hi blindcoder 
11:42 < esden> natalie is now in stage 3 of the rockliux compile ... nice natalie ;-)
11:43 < blindcoder> damn... I'm lacking CD-Rs also... only 7 left...
11:43 * -> esden wrote a mail to the mailinglist that we are included on the gnome2 page
11:44 * fake wrote a mail too.
11:46 < esden> ???
11:46 < esden> when ?
11:46 < fake> about sth else. just now.
11:46 < esden> ahh ok
11:47 < esden> I was wondering that I missed your mail ... but the mailinglist needs some time ...
11:47 * blindcoder wruiting a mail
11:51 < esden> fake: read the diff ;-)
11:53 < blindcoder> done
11:56 < esden> blindcoder: me wrote one more mail to rock-doc-pr ... it is a re to your mail bc
11:56 < huebi> Moinnnn....
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11:57 < esden> moin huebi 
11:57 < huebi> moin esden 
11:57 < esden> huebi: da war wieder ein bug in den kernel scripten
11:57 < esden> de architektur abhaengigien disable listen wurden nicht benutzt
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11:58 < huebi> esden: hast du schon einen cvs ci gemacht?
11:58 < esden> also die listen die die optionen fuer den kernel bau raustragen weil sie fuer diese architektur nicht bauen 
11:58 < esden> huebi: mache ich gleich
11:58 < esden> ich wollte nur schauen ob der kernel jetzt baut
11:59 * -> esden not ci anything that is not tested ;-)
11:59 < huebi> moin fake
12:00 < huebi> esden: VERY FINE TO ONLY COMMIT TESTET things (/me still want's to have a beeping Cpas Lock key)
12:00 < esden> loool
12:00 < esden> huebi: how are you today
12:01 * -> esden try's to be polite today ;-)
12:01 < esden> and the others ? bc ? fake ?
12:02 < huebi> esden: I'm fine. A big restore test of a webserver is now running. My work of the last 9 Months gets it's final test.
12:02 < blindcoder> esden: sleepy...
12:02 < esden> hmm cool ... I am crossing my fingers for you
12:02 < huebi> esden: thank you ;-))
12:02 < esden> blindcoder: when have you got up today ?
12:03 * huebi hunting...
12:04 < esden> huebi: good luck ;-)
12:06 < fake> esden: thanks for asking. i am fine.
12:06 < fake> how about you?
12:06 < fake> huebi: mornin!
12:06 < fake> huebi: und Weidmann's Heil ;-)
12:06 < blindcoder> esden: 09:00 when that stupid guy out there started to make noises like an airplane>_<
12:07 < esden> fake: good thanks .. I am fine too.
12:08 < esden> blindcoder: noises like this are wakeing you up ? you should work on your sleep deepness .. or soundisolate your room ;-)
12:09 < blindcoder> esden: the former... the latter will be done soon when I'm moving my "servers" out of my room
12:09 < fake> cc -O -DNO_ERRNO_H   -c -o example.o example.c
12:09 < fake> make: cc: Command not found
12:09 < fake> DAMN IT
12:10 < esden> fake: ln -s /usr/bin/gcc /usr/bin/cc
12:10 < fake> esden: no gcc, propellorhead ;P
12:11 < esden> o_O no gcc ... what a lame box :P
12:11 < fake> SuSE 6.4 >_<
12:11 < esden> rofl
12:11 < esden> fake: poor boy ... 
12:12 < esden> who is using suse these days ?
12:12 < fake> humanIT.de ... but not much longer.
12:13 < esden> will you reinstall the box ?
12:13 < fake> blindcoder : "Die Internet-Seite f?r die Server lautet www.mcl.de"
12:14 < esden> they are sellyng hpux ... hmm
12:15 < fake> blindcoder: kannst ja ueber meine Firma ordern.
12:16 < esden> Fiber Channel Host Adapter PCI. Gebraucht mit 30 Tagen Gewa"hrleistung.
12:16 < esden> hmm
12:16 < esden> sweet
12:16 < esden> 511.00 EUR
12:16 < esden> urgh
12:16 < fake> HP Server L3000-4 Wege Server
12:16 < fake> 38690.00 EUR
12:17 < esden> *keineluftmehrkrieg* /me muss ne bank ausrauben
12:18 < fake>   HP NetServer Rackstorage System RS/12 FC
12:18 < fake> FC (Fiber Channel) mit FiberChannel Disk Array Controller(RAID) (max. 12 Festplatten). Demogerät
12:18 < fake> incl. 5x 36 GB HS Disk 10000rpm und Fiber Channel HBA
12:18 < fake> 3.990 EUR
12:18 < esden> der preis geht ja
12:19 < fake> HP9000 Serie C200 3D-Bundle I
12:19 < fake> - 200MHz 8200 PA-RISC CPU 1,5 MB Cache 
12:19 < fake> - 512 MB ECC Memory 
12:19 < fake> - 2x HP 4 GB UW-SCSI Disk 
12:19 < fake> - Visualize FX-4Grafikbeschleuniger
12:19 < fake> - HP Tastatur, Maus 
12:19 < fake> - HP-UX 10.20 oder HP-UX 11.0 vorinstalliert
12:19 < fake> - 3 Monate Gewährleistung 
12:19 < fake> fuer 399 EUR
12:20 < esden> lol wie alt ist dass ding
12:21 < fake> naja... zum porten wuerde es reichen...
12:21 < esden> hmm ... stimmt auch
12:21 < esden> aber maintainen wuerde ich nicht gerne auf der kiste
12:21 < esden> naja ... aber wie man so schoen sagt .. besser als garnichts
12:22 < fake> was meinst du auf was ich den mips port "maintaine" ??
12:22 < fake> 175 MHz...
12:22 < esden> ja schon klar
12:22 < fake> *flenn*
12:22 < blindcoder> fake: danke
12:22 < esden> aber wass schneller ist wird nicht unterstoetzt
12:22 < esden> du tust mir auch echt leid fake ...
12:22 < fake> blindcoder: unter NetServerBundles
12:24 * [anders] would not say no to an Emulex FC adapter and a tray of FC-AL disks...
12:24 < esden> [anders]: who would say no ...
12:26 < fake> 2 x P III 933 MHz /  3 x 36 GB  HotSwap Festplatten/ Standersion
12:26 < fake> 1 GB RAM (bis 4GB) /256 KB Cache / 2 Kanal SCSI Controler / CD-ROM / Floppy / 10/100 LAN / Renew/ 3 Jahre HP Vor-Ort Garantie 
12:26 < fake> ¤ 3.990,-
12:26 < fake> sw33t!
12:26 < fake> 2x PIII 1,13 GHz Prozessor / 1 GB Hauptspeicher / 2*36GB Disk / Rackversion (2 HE)/ 2x 10/100 LAN / U3 SCSI Controller / ReNew 3 Jahre HP Vor-Ort Garantie 
12:26 < fake> ¤ 3.999,-
12:26 < fake> dann aber lieber den.
12:27 < esden> fake: hast du auch ein 19" rack um den vernuenftig zu verstauen ? ;-)
12:28 < blindcoder> esden: genau ads ist das Problem >_< die meisten sind Rack-Versionen
12:28 < esden> blindcoder: dass sit scheiss egal .. du musst ja kein rack dafuer haben ...
12:29 < blindcoder> hmmm ich montier sie einfach in meine Alu-Gestell :D
12:29 < esden> lol
12:29 < esden> ja mache dass 
12:30 < blindcoder> PIII 1 GHz Prozessor/ 256 MB Hauptspeicher/ Rackversion/ 10/100 LAN/ 2 Kanal U3 SCSI Controller/ nur eine Höheneinheit im Rack/ Remarked volle 3 Jahre HP Gewährleistung
12:30 < blindcoder> That one looks nice to me
12:30 < esden> ahh the kernel is ready on the alpho ... cool thing
12:33 < esden> "NeverWinter Nights Dedicated Linux Server Released"
12:35 < blindcoder> I need the Linux client, not the server >_<
12:35 < esden> I know
12:35 * -> esden too
12:35 < blindcoder> well.. I will buy the game probably
12:39 * fake will buy it as soon as the linux client is released.
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12:40 < uninvited> h e l l o !
12:40 < fake> haaaai!
12:41 < esden> hi uninvited 
12:41 < blindcoder> hi uninvited 
12:42 * blindcoder will take his workstation to bingo today,... bzflöag session and the boxes @bingo are too slow :D
12:42 < esden> TrentO 
12:42 < esden> Producer
12:43 < esden>  The server is pretty much ready to go. The Client is a little worse off. I haven't got any official date for when the Client will be available, but we are pushing as hard as we can to get it done.
12:43 < esden> that is the official statement ...
12:43 < esden> :-/
12:44 < blindcoder> well.. it's the same thing we always say: "It's done, when it's done."
12:44 < huebi> re /me eating
12:44 < esden> yes that is ok ... better then pushing the date of release 100 times in the future ...
12:44 < esden> re huebi 
12:44 * -> esden hungry
12:44 < blindcoder> yes, that's right
12:45 * blindcoder called evilT today...
12:45 < esden> huebi: 
12:45 < esden> == 11:29:43 =[3]=> Building base package linux [2.4.18 1.5.17].
12:45 < esden> == 12:32:28 06/28/02 =[3]=> Finished building package linux.
12:45 < esden> I will ci the changes now
12:49 < esden> huebi: ci done
12:49 < [anders]> esden: will the archive you pointed me at earlier have all the latest changes in it?
12:49 < esden> two files updated base-config/linux/linux.conf base-config/linux/lx_config
12:50 < esden> [anders]: no .. to get the newest changes you need access to the cvs
12:50 < esden> the anonymous cvs access should come next week
12:50 < esden> that is what huebi was writing to the mailinglist
12:51 < huebi> [anders]: you can checkout over http:
12:52 < huebi> [anders]: moment...
12:52 < esden> huebi: urgh ... ???
12:52 < blindcoder> esden: like I said: a cvs-client for the cvsweb :D
12:53 < esden> argh .. that is not true ... that is a joke ... !!!
12:53 < huebi> [anders]: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/linux/linux.conf
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12:54 < esden> hi term_emu 
12:54 < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/linux-src/linux-src.conf
12:54 < th> moin
12:54 < th> mehr oder wenig
12:55 < huebi> hi th 
12:55 < th> *gaehn* verdammt nochmal
12:56 < th> huebi: da faellt mir noch was ein. koennten wir nicht ein lauffaehiges parted mit auf das iso bringen?
12:57 < huebi> th: Jo, das sollte eigendlich moeglich sein. 
12:57 < [anders]> huebi: any chances of nightly CVS snapshots (tbz2's) ?
12:57 < th> huebi: dann brauch ich mir nich immer parted auf diskette packen
12:58 < esden> huebi: that should be no problem ... 
12:58 < esden> the nightly snaps
12:58 < blindcoder> okay... I'm gone... c ya later
12:58 < th> well there are minutely snaps already ;)
12:59 < th> well. they are not tbz2ed. but after each commit a cvs up -d is called
12:59 < th> so we could just add a tbz2 and we have what we want
12:59 < esden> huebi: warum sind die download moeglichkeiten von 1.5.x nicht auf https://www.rocklinux.org/getting.html aufgefuert ???
13:00 < esden> dass ist meiner meinung nach sehr scheisse
13:00 < [anders]> I understood _that_ one...
13:01 < term_emu> hi all
13:01 < [anders]> re term_emu 
13:17 < th> schlaeft smp immernoch?
13:17 < th> SMP: ping?
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13:28 < esden> huebi: ???
13:32 * uninvited is away: mittagsschläfchen (taking a nap)
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14:08 < huebi> re
14:10 < huebi> a "reconstructive restore" is very destructive if it erases existing files in a directory _before_ the directory is being restored.
14:10 < huebi>  /bin/ps - file not found
14:15 * [anders] needs caffeine..
14:24 < huebi> [anders]: good idea ;-))
14:24 < [anders]> huebi: only espresso (double) here.. ;-)
14:27 * [anders] should be able to have a screen session permanently on IRC in the next day or so..
14:27 < huebi> here are some coffemachines. normal ones with paper filter
14:28 < [anders]> huebi: we have a proper espresso machine..
14:28 < huebi> [anders]: yes, that would be good.
14:28 * [anders] listening to Peter Gabriel - Steam...
14:28 < huebi> [anders]: Take attention on the version of screen - root exploit
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14:28 < huebi> hi snyke 
14:29 < [anders]> re snyke 
14:30 * huebi dumping all of my HD to an IBM 7208 341 - Mammoth tape drive ;-))
14:30 < [anders]> huebi: not heard of that one..
14:31 < [anders]> 7208 is an RS/6000 IIRC..
14:31 < huebi> [anders]: A small 20GB (17 in reality) 8mm tape for RS/600 AS/400
14:31 < [anders]> aaahh..
14:31 < [anders]> Ok.. 
14:31 < [anders]> I got a better one coming..
14:31 < huebi> Exabyte is the OEM
14:31 < [anders]> a DLT-8000
14:31 < [anders]> 40/80GB tapedrive..
14:33 < huebi> huebi@zeus:~$ cat /proc/scsi/scsi 
14:33 < huebi> Attached devices: 
14:33 < huebi> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 04 Lun: 00
14:33 < huebi>   Vendor: TANDBERG Model: DLT8000          Rev: 0250
14:33 < huebi>   Type:   Sequential-Access                ANSI SCSI revision: 02
14:33 < huebi> that one?
14:33 < [anders]> huebi: uhm.. this one is a Quantum one.. big square heavy tapes..
14:33 < [anders]> probably quite similar..
14:33 < [anders]> Got it cheap though.. ;-)
14:37 < esden> re hi all
14:39 < huebi> [anders]: Well, I payed 1600 EUR for in last december. DLT-Tapes are _all_ made by Quantum. They get only other brands by the other OEMs
14:39 < huebi> re hi esden 
14:39 < huebi> esden: MuH!
14:40 < esden> searching for a proppeller hat procducer in germany ;-)
14:41 < huebi> esden: Propellers a remanufactured here in Egelsbach between Frankfurt and Darmstadt. A little bit heavy because they are designed for the Transall ;-))
14:42 < esden> rofl .. that are the right ones ;-)
14:43 < huebi> [anders]: do you use windows at work or can you use Linux/UNIX for irc?
14:43 < esden> we need also hats ... but normall baseball hats are ok .. we have only to mount the propellers on them ;-)
14:59 < [anders]> huebi: good price you got it for.. I think the exchange rate is 1.5 euro to the pound, so you paid just over a thousand pounds for it.. Which is good.. :)
14:59 < [anders]> (Not as good as I got though.. ;-)
14:59 < fake> re.
15:00 < huebi> hi fake 
15:00 < [anders]> re fake
15:00 < huebi> [anders]: ;-)))
15:00 < [anders]> got mine for about 950 euro..
15:00 * fake currently using gnome2-metacity
15:00 < fake> not bad. though the Xinerama support is not perfect...
15:01 < esden> metacity ?
15:01 < esden> I have to test it ...
15:02 < fake> the standard wm for SUN/Linux ;-)
15:02 < esden> ahh
15:02 < esden> ok
15:02 < esden> I will now try out gnome on my machine
15:03 < fake> == 17:17:27 =[1]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2 1.7.0-DEV-200206232227].
15:03 < [anders]> fake: metacity any better than sawfish?
15:04 < fake> [anders]: well. it is not written in LISP. it is smaller, so it is faster.
15:04 < fake> not necessarily _noticeably_ faster though
15:04 < fake> and you can have the crux theme too, if you want ;)
15:06 * huebi just writing all gnme/gnome2 sources to tape 5GB!
15:06 < huebi> and kde 3.0.1 too
15:07 * -> esden getting garnome
15:07 < huebi> https://www.hach.de/ <- has no propellerhats anymore
15:09 < fake> wie spaet isses ?
15:09 < huebi> 15:09 < fake> wie spaet isses ?
15:09 < fake> danke.
15:10 < [anders]> fake: smaller and faster sounds good, does it have the same functionality though?
15:11 < fake> [anders]: what features are you looking for?
15:12 < fake> it wraps borders around your windows and adds some butons, yes.
15:13 < [anders]> fake: well, customisable menus, multiple work-spaces, interface well with Gnome.. That sorta stüff..
15:13 < fake> [ænders]: yes.
15:13 < huebi> ... can brew coffee...
15:13 < huebi> *eg*
15:14 < [anders]> huebi: :)
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15:28 < esden> argh garnome is broken >_<
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15:29 < mike1> hi all
15:30 < [anders]> re mike1 
15:31 < SMP> th: pong
15:32 < fake> SMP has a good response time...
15:32 < [anders]> SMP: some ping-time lag to you then... :-)
15:32 < fake> only 3 fakes
15:36 < esden> haha ... I have a working WM with xinerama support !!! weee
15:37 < [anders]> esden: :)
15:38 * -> esden me loves windowmaker
15:42 < rolla> windowmaker rocks ;)
15:42 < blindcoder> rehi
15:42 < esden> yepp sure ;-)
15:42 < esden> re blindcoder 
15:42 * blindcoder now @bitz
15:42 * -> esden be @ bitz @ 18uhr
15:45 < blindcoder> okay, we've locked ourself in in the "Schulungsraum 1"
15:45 < blindcoder> or was that "locked up"?
15:47 < blindcoder> why doesn't bzflag 1.7e6 have no "make install" anymore >_<
15:50 < esden> blindcoder: change it ;-)
15:50 < esden> when you are missing something code it yourself
15:50 < blindcoder> it is supposed to have a "make package" but that doesn't work >_<
15:50 < esden> if you do not like something patch it ;-)
15:51 * -> esden fixed a bug in windowmaker xinerama support ... 
15:51 < esden> *protz*
15:51 < blindcoder> esden: write xinerama support for icewm
15:52 < fake> esden: write cInerama
15:52 < fake> for the console ;-)
15:55 < fake> *ARGH*
15:55 < fake> 1.7 is _TOTALLY_ _FUCKED_ _UP_
15:55 < esden> blindcoder: that is not so difficult .. in windowmaker these are only ... 250 lines code
15:56 < [anders]> will gnome2 make it into the 1.5.x snaps ?
15:56 < esden> from #windowmaker :
15:56 < esden> 16:55 <@miro> google the best window manager
15:56 < esden> 16:55 <+google> the best window manager: https://www.princeton.edu/~alanho/fvwm/
15:56 < esden> 16:55 <@miro> wtf
15:56 < esden> 16:55 <@miro> google sucks
15:56 < esden> 16:55 <+google> sucks: https://www.schoolsucks.com/
15:56 < esden> rofl
15:56 < esden> [anders]: yes it will
15:59 < [anders]> esden: kewl.. I'd like to update my slaptop at some point, and then I'd like Gnome2 to go on there..
16:00 < huebi> [anders]: I downloaded all the gnome stuff yesterday. 5GB or so.
16:00 < esden> [anders]: I want to update my laptop too ... there is 1.5.13 huebis snapshot on it ... that is OLD
16:03 < [anders]> going to DL the 1.5.16 and build that.. Preferably when it has Gnome2.0 in it.. ;-)
16:03 < th> SMP: wieviel mate willst du? ich krieg ne lieferung fuer 17.50 / kasten
16:04 < fake> EUR?
16:04 < th> fake: jo. inkl. 5euro pfand
16:04 < fake> axo
16:04 < fake> wieviele sind in einem kasten? 24?
16:04 < th> 20 a .5 liter
16:04 < huebi> [anders]: There is no Gname2 in 1.5.16. But in the next 2 weeks I'll do many things on 1.5.16
16:04 < th> also 10 liter
16:04 < fake> nicht grade guenstig
16:05 < th> noe
16:05 < SMP> hmm
16:06 < huebi> moin SMP ;-) gut geschlafen ?
16:06 < SMP> beschissen. aber immerhin mal laenger als nur vier Stunden
16:07 < huebi> ne wenigstens etwas.
16:07 < esden> morgen SMP 
16:07 < huebi> s/ne/na/
16:08 < huebi> SMP: ich habe mal deine Arbeit fuer die JavaStation ausprobiert. Ging ja richtig einfach ;-))
16:08 < huebi> SMP: Ich habe mir ueberlegt eine serielle console im kernel zu verwenden
16:09 < SMP> es ist auch einfach - wenn man die Dokumentation liest. *zu th schiel* ;>
16:09 < SMP> huebi: ja, probier das mal aus
16:10 < th> ;>
16:10 < th> SMP: der sound laeuft noch nich
16:10 < SMP> ja, unresolved symbol, hab ich so aus dem Augenwinkel gesehen
16:10 < huebi> SMP: und ich werde den dhcpclient aktivieren. Dann brauche ich fast garnichts mehr fuer die JavaStation zu konfigurieren, was nicht in /tftpboot und dhcpd.conf steht.
16:11 < fake> huebi: *nerv* schon abgeschickt?
16:11 < th> SMP: dein schlaf ist zu leicht
16:11 < th> ;)
16:11 < fake> huebi: o_O hast du meine addresse eigentlich?
16:11 < huebi> Mit der Maus will ich mal eine Logitech 3-Tastenmaus probieren. vielleicht oopst es dann ja nicht mehr.
16:11 < th> huebi: welchen oops meinst du?
16:11 < SMP> die Maus oopsed?
16:11 < huebi> th mom
16:11 < huebi> SMP: jo
16:11 < fake> *squeek*
16:12 < th> gpm?
16:12 < th> oderx?
16:12 < huebi>  fake /query sie mir mal ;-)
16:12 < huebi> th: gpm, jo
16:13 < th> SMP: hast du ausm augenwinkel auch meine vermutung bei dem login problem gelesen?
16:13 < SMP> noe
16:13 < th> SMP: meine vermutung war, dass es mit /dev/random zusammenhaengt
16:13 < fake> dev/random
16:13 < th> SMP: bei der zufaelligen bestimmung der sternanzahl, die angezeigt werden soll
16:13 < fake> *schonruhigist*
16:14 < th> SMP: das problem tritt auch auf beim passwort aendern per passwd wo auch sterne gezeigt werden
16:14 < SMP> das 'aus dem Augenwinkel' war auch so gemeint, dass ich selbst schon 'depmod -a' ausgefuehrt habe ;>
16:14 < SMP> th: hmm
16:14 < SMP> th: hoert sich fundiert an
16:15 < SMP> und login / passwd macht erst weiter wenn man per unsinniger Tastatureingabe mehr Entropie erzeugt
16:17 < th> genau
16:19 < fake> ok. jetzt sind endlich alle fickrechner hier auf 3.4p1 upgedatet.
16:20 < fake> bleibt nur noch ein Apache...
16:26 < [anders]> huebi: Excellent.. :) I'll probably have a play with a few things as well in 1.5.16 - like where config-files goes...
16:27 < esden> I updated the irc stats so that the days are spritted and not in one big peace under unknown : https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/
16:27 < th> SMP: ich wollte mal versuchen /dev/random durch urandom zu ersetzen, aber /dev/random konnte ich nicht loeschen wegen devfs ohl
16:27 < th> s,ohl,wohl,
16:28 < fake> mount -o remount,rw /dev
16:28 < fake> ;-)
16:28 * SMP slaps fake with a large trout
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16:30 * fake #-(
16:30 < fake> i hate fish
16:30 < fake> at least in my face
16:34 < fake> mount -o remount,rw /dev ; mknod c 0 0 /dev/trout ;
16:34 < fake> eh eh eh
17:02 < th> huebi: ping
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17:03 < freed> hi @ll
17:03 < th> huebi: der kernel vom 1.5.16er fuer 686... hat der nun schon dell support im kernel?
17:03 < fake> hi Freed
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17:06 < freed> hi fake
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17:13 < fake> hi bluefire 
17:21 < bluefire> Hi fake
17:22 < fake> ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/errlist.c:41: weak declaration of `_old_sys_nerr' must precede definition
17:22 < fake> what the f*** ?
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18:22 < th> schreibt lilo ganz sicher nur in die ersten 512 bytes von /dev/discs/discX/disc ?
18:23 < fake> th: keine ahnung
18:26 < fake> (wie soll denn ein ordntliches boot-logo in 512 bytes passen?)
18:27 < th> das wird doch nur referenziert 
18:27 < fake> stimmt... der kernel ja auch
18:27 < th> jo
18:27 < th> der passt ja auch nicht wirklich in 512 bytes ;)
18:27 < fake> th: microkernel ;)
18:28 < th> picokernel
18:31 < fake> maaaaan.... ich glaub bunzip2 fuer mips unter debian laueft in ner JavaVM
18:31 < fake> bzw. bzip2
18:37 * fake driving home
18:45 < th> huebi: dell laptop support scheint als modul drin zu sein. das bringt doch garnichts :-(
18:51 < esden> re hi all
18:52 < esden> fake: hallo und knuddel von kawaii
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19:58 < fake> esden: rehallo und *tret* zurueck.
20:12 < rolla> What is the next step after the build process of 1.7 is done ?
20:15 < fake> hehe.
20:15 < fake> wait for scripts/Build-ISO
20:16 < fake> no seriously. you could just copy the whole root onto another harddisk and make it bootable...
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20:16 < fake> hi netcrow !
20:17 < netcrow> hi fake !
20:17 < huebi> re
20:18 < huebi> th: nein, noch nicht.
20:21 < huebi>  _   _      _             _     _ 
20:21 < huebi> | | | |_ __| | __ _ _   _| |__ | |
20:21 < huebi> | | | | '__| |/ _` | | | | '_ \| |
20:21 < huebi> | |_| | |  | | (_| | |_| | |_) |_|
20:21 < huebi>  \___/|_|  |_|\__,_|\__,_|_.__/(_)
20:21 < huebi>                                   
20:22 < huebi> hehe *freu*
20:22 < snyke> lol
20:22 < snyke> leutz, Rocklinux bootet ned mal auf meiner Compaq :/
20:22 < snyke> Gentoo und Slackware schon.
20:23 < snyke> wobei Gentoo mit ner Kernel Panic verreckt.
20:23 < fake> snyke: kann rock da was dafuer? was meinst du? hmhmhm?
20:29 < SMP> huebi!
20:29 < th> huebi: das war gemein
20:30 < th> huebi: aber da sind haufenweise dinge per modul aktiviert...
20:30 * SMP hat grad mal seine Krups in den openprom gebootet
20:31 < SMP> jemand schon mal geschafft, da ein setenv durchzukriegen?
20:35 < huebi> SMP: nein, noch nicht probiert.
20:36 < huebi> th: Ich sehe mir das am Wochenende noch mal an, mit der Dellunterstuetzung.
20:37 < SMP> ah. oh.
20:38 < SMP> I read that a Krups does not have an NVRAM
20:38 < SMP> so setenv won't make sense anyway
20:38 < huebi> SMP: but a realtime clock ;-)
20:38 < SMP> yeah, mine seems to be hosed
20:38 < SMP> it boots with time = the epoch
20:39 < SMP> maybe I need to put another battery
20:39 < huebi> SMP: boot it with alt-d an it should run some tests. aslo a clock test
20:39 < huebi> +d
20:40 < SMP> Ctrl-Alt-d I thought?
20:40 < fake> Warning: Clock Skew detected. Your Krups may be incomplete.
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20:41 < fake> hi uninvited !
20:41 < huebi> only ALT-d is enough if you can't see a text console for a few moment at normal boot.
20:41 < netcrow> hi G Punkt
20:41 < uninvited> Hi fake !
20:42 < snyke> fake: nein
20:42 < snyke> rock hat nur ned gebootet, aber schuld bin SELBSVERSTÄNDLICH ich
20:46 < uninvited> fake> PS2 time. treffe heute Abend nur einen der beiden Kollegen...
20:46 < SMP> snyke: I don't see Alpha as a supported arch in any recent release, so no need to bitch around
20:47 < th> huebi: ging mir garnicht nur um die dell unterstuetzung. auch hat es mich gewundert, dass so viel muell an modulen aktiv ist. aber vllt war das ja absicht
20:47 * th is ersma essen
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20:48 < huebi> Weg zum DALUG Stammtisch.. www.dalug.de
20:48 < huebi> cu later
20:48 < SMP> have fun..
20:48 < huebi> dankoe
20:49 < fake> SMP: he has an intel-compaw, anyways IIRC
20:49 < SMP> a-ha
20:52 < fake> == 20:49:42 =[1]=> Building base/binutils [2.12.90.0.14 1.7.0-DEV-200206232227].
20:52 < fake> note the .14 in the version number ;-)
20:54 < huebi> reee!
20:54 < netcrow> re huebi
20:54 < huebi>  going to visit ripclaw
20:54 < huebi> getting the Alphaaaaaaaaaa
20:55 < huebi> And I should have 3x 128MB RAM for it ;-)))
20:55 < huebi> und wech....
20:55 < fake> viel spass!
21:01 * netcrow is just driving to fake
21:02 < fake> netcrow: online wia wap?
21:02 < fake> s,wia,via,
21:03 < netcrow> yes
21:03 < netcrow> irc2wap.pl
21:06 < fake> *huch* ich hab doch gar nich aufgeraeumt!
21:10 < netcrow> fake: ich bin mitn wohnwagen unterwegs..*g*
21:11 < fake> *phew*
21:11 < fake> ich geh dann mal schnell prosecco kaufen.
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21:13 < owl> moin
21:14 < fake> hallo!
21:14 < netcrow> fake, hast du immer noch dein rosarotes plüschzimmer?
21:15 < netcrow> <hm, das wird ja alles im web veröffentlich was wir hier sagen>
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21:21 < d3mian> re
21:22 < d3mian> esden: are u here?
21:23 < netcrow> esden is on his girlfriend, i think
21:24 < d3mian> ohh, ic. I wont disturb, thanx
21:24 < d3mian> cu guys
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22:11 < huebi> re
22:12 < huebi> the alphastation is here
22:12 < owl> hi huebi
22:12 < huebi> hi owl 
22:13 < fake> re huebi!
22:13 < huebi> hi fake 
22:13 < huebi> * bastel schraub schnitz*
22:15 < esden> re hi all
22:15 < esden> no I was not on my girlfriend !!!
22:15 < esden> ok
22:16 < esden> is rxr here ?
22:16 < esden> I need some rxr 
22:16 < esden> hmm 
22:16 < owl> hi esden
22:16 < esden> huebi: ??? Ping
22:16 < esden> hi owl 
22:16 < esden> *wink*
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22:16 < huebi> esden: PONg
22:16 < esden> good
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22:17 < esden> huebi: how does it look like with the gnome2 in 1.5 ... is there a schedule ? I am not complaining ... only asking!
22:17 -!- kaerF is now known as Freak
22:17 < esden> hi Freak 
22:17 < Freak> huhu
22:18 < huebi> esden: no schedule. I first ask rene about what's needed.
22:18 < huebi> hi Freak 
22:18 < esden> huebi: ok
22:24 < huebi> esden: how is the order for the SDRAMs in the 433a?
22:30 < esden> phhuuu ... no idea ... 
22:30 < esden> hmm when I am right from the right to the left
22:31 < esden> but no warranty
22:32 < huebi> esden: I just test it. There are some signs on the screen
22:35 < fake> == 22:42:38 =[1]=> Building base/gcc3 [3.2 1.7.0-DEV-200206232227].
22:35 < fake> (note: 3.2)
22:35 < fake> == 06/28/02 00:47:52 =[1]=> Finished building package gcc3.
22:35 < fake> *weeeee* !
22:36 < esden> ok @ huebi 
22:37 < esden> fake: cool !!!
22:37 < esden> on mips ?
22:37 < huebi> esden: Wich console is fine?
22:37 < huebi> esden: UNIX Console SRM ?
22:37 < esden> yes SRM is very good
22:38 < huebi> ok
22:40 < fake> esden: yes.
22:40 < fake> and it works, too ;-)
22:52 < esden> cool realy kicking ass
22:54 < huebi> The BIOS of the Alpha is really cool.
22:55 < esden> huebi: yes it is 
22:55 < esden> huebi: it has a feeling like normal unix shell ;-)
22:55 < huebi> jo. Where do I get ROCK Linux for Alpha?
22:56 * SMP forgot everything the Compaq guy showed me about SRM on LT2001
22:56 < esden> huebi: hmm ... i do not have an iso on my box yet
22:57 < esden> you can have it later after I got something to eat
22:57 < huebi> esden: How do I boot the box?
22:57 < esden> SMP: you do not like it ?
22:57 * -> esden feels some irony in SMP sentence ... :-/
22:58 < SMP> no, I did like it
22:58 < SMP> I just never used it ever after
22:58 < esden> ahh ok
22:59 < esden> huebi: you put a cd in the box
22:59 < esden> run show device
22:59 < esden> then you will see something like DKC100 and in the same line the name of your cdrom
22:59 < SMP> and now that I have a sort-of-SPARC, Alpha is the only main arch I don't own a box of ;-}
23:00 < esden> if your cdrom is asocated with DKC100 then you only have to rum boot DKC100 and then the cd is being booted
23:01 < esden> SMP: you shoud change it ... alpha is sw33t ;-)
23:01 < SMP> Alpha is boring
23:02 < esden> SMP: you are attaking my deepest feelngs .. 
23:02 < esden> SMP: why is it boring ...
23:02 < esden> SMP: because linux is working on this arch without really nasty problems ?
23:02 < SMP> it's too PC-like ;p
23:03 < SMP> yes, exactly. where's the fun if everything just works? ;>>
23:03 < esden> SMP: hehe ... and ultra20 or so is not pc like ? they have also pci bus ;P
23:04 < esden> SMP: I would not say that stuff just works .. there are many things that are pretty unstable 
23:04 < SMP> now, OpenVMS on Alpha would be a lot more fun
23:04 < esden> SMP: lol .. yes ... *cough*
23:04 < huebi> esden: Which distributions are avaliable?
23:05 < SMP> huebi: uhm.. I have an official ROCK 1.3.11 Alpha CD here
23:05 < esden> huebi: redhat .. debian ... suse ?
23:05 < esden> I have 1.5.16 cd here
23:05 < huebi> SMP: Does this one boot?
23:05 < huebi> SMP: If yes where can I get it?
23:06 < esden> huebi: it is not bootabel
23:06 < esden> le
23:06 < SMP> I think it does
23:06 < SMP> not sure
23:06 < esden> the one SMP owns
23:06 < esden> SMP: no it is not
23:06 < SMP> uh-hu
23:06 < esden> bootable iso were added some weeks ago
23:07 < esden> anyways ... I am of for hunting
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