--- Log opened Wed Jul 03 00:00:06 2002
--- Day changed Wed Jul 03 2002
00:00 < fake> only during idle times
00:00 < Mike1> *g
00:00 * fake ROCK Monk
00:00 < huebi> fake: An E15K could need 8h to boot in diag mode..
00:01 < reutter> bye all
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00:02 < fake> huebi: and one week to check the 5 pB attached storage. oh well. make it with wife then.
00:02 < fake> s,wife,female, (!)
00:02 < huebi> fake: And a E15K is small compared to the IBM stuff as I saw last week
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00:03 < fake> huebi: i'll probably get my hands on some IBM server hardware at work
00:03 < WKaibigan> Woohoo, after just over 36 hours and a hot steaming modem, I have managed to download the 1.5.16 iso file and burn it. With a bit of luck I should have Rock up and running by the weekend.
00:04 < huebi> WKaibigan: Congratulations ;-))
00:04 < WKaibigan> Last time I am trying to download such a big file using 56K though. :-)
00:05 < Mike1> WKaibigan: congratz have fun on the instalation
00:05 < WKaibigan> Cheers. I will have fun as I have been looking forward to trying Rock.
00:06 < Mike1> WKaibigan: good
00:06 < Mike1> WKaibigan: you will certainly not regret it
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00:07 < WKaibigan> I am sure I won't. I have looked at a number of source based distros and Rock seems to appeal to me more than the others.
00:08 < fake> hm... jetzt sollte x starten
00:08 < Mike1> well thats because none the others will ROCK you!!! :D
00:08 < WKaibigan> And I am sure I will like being Rocked ;-)
00:08 < thalerim> WKaibigan: but what'sa bout aol? Is it already possible to set it up under linux?
00:09 < WKaibigan> Nope that is the problem. AOL is Windows only and I can't share version 7 over the network the way you could with version 6. 
00:09 < Mike1> WKaibigan: mm...
00:10 < thalerim> WKaibigan: well, i'm forced to use windows either :-(
00:10 < thalerim> owning a usb-plugin-wireless-dsl-modem
00:10 < Mike1> thalerim: dont you have dsl?
00:10 < thalerim> yea
00:11 < thalerim> but this modem is supported only by Win98SE!
00:11 < Mike1> damn
00:12 < WKaibigan> Just have the Windows machine setup for connection sharing but work from Linux.
00:12 < thalerim> i managed a 266mhz pc though, but i recognised it doesn't have any usb plugs
00:12 < thalerim> ditto
00:14 < thalerim> gonna sleep
00:14 < Mike1> i have a Linux machine as router, and work on Linux too 
00:14 < thalerim> cya
00:14 < Mike1> :)
00:14 < Mike1> n8 thalerim
00:14 < thalerim> ass :P
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00:21 < fake> this is odd.
00:21 < fake> i get the x-server up on the Krups
00:21 < fake> i see the bg and the mouse cursor (X)...
00:21 < fake> but after about 1 sec. the x server quits. no error, nothing. just exits...
00:25 < WKaibigan> I had a similare problem where X would try and load but then exit without an error and that turned out to be that I had forgotten to put a & after one of the commands setup in .xinitrc.
00:27 < fake> WKaibigan: i just notices that i wanted to call twm but don't have twm >_< ;)
00:28 < Mike1> fake: hehe
00:28 < WKaibigan> So easy to do :-)
00:28 < tsa> lol
00:31 < fake> aaah. now it works ;)
00:33 < Mike1> fake: great :)
00:33 < fake> aiii! it works!
00:34 < fake> how uncommon... starting X and no noise... no harddisk going insane...
00:34 < WKaibigan> Such a satisfying feeling when that happens.
00:35 < tsa> hehe
00:35 < tsa> fake: you can now give me all your disks.. ;)
00:35 (Users #rocklinux)
00:35 [ [anders]  ] [ coldie] [ freed   ] [ odd_amrimp] [ rxr  ] [ tsa      ] 
00:35 [ aszlig    ] [ esden ] [ hackbard] [ owl       ] [ simon] [ WKaibigan] 
00:35 [ blindcoder] [ fake  ] [ huebi   ] [ praenti   ] [ SMP  ] 
00:35 [ capchaos  ] [ Freak ] [ Mike1   ] [ rolla     ] [ th   ] 
00:35 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
00:36 < fake> "This MIPS Port has been completed within RAM, because tsa got all my disks."
00:36 < tsa> hehe
00:36 < fake> "That's also the reason why there is only one package in this target."
00:36 < fake> ld.so
00:37 < fake> oh, and that's broken.
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00:39 < huebi> root@zeus:/tmp# ll /mnt/cdrom/
00:39 < huebi> -r-xr-xr-x    1 root     root        83179 Jul  3 00:33 tulip-1.1.8.tar.gz
00:40 < huebi> The answer how to get a new networkdriver to a machine ..
00:43 < Mike1> fake: :) working now?
00:43 < fake> yes. installing icewm
00:48 < fake> it takes aaaaages to start
00:50 < Mike1> huebi: problem solved
00:50 < Mike1> ?
00:51 < huebi> Mike1: just missind iso9960 support in the kernel ;)
00:51 < fake> heh. this is the first night in my flat without the nois of a computer running in the same room
00:52 < huebi> how fast does it feel now after booting? Flash is slooow...
00:52 < Mike1> huebi: good job
00:53 < fake> huebi: right now i only load the kernel from flash.
00:54 < fake> rapid filesystem prototyping...
00:54 < fake> or something ;)
00:59 < esden> so re
01:01 < huebi> re esden 
01:01 * -> esden needs sleep >_<
01:01 * -> esden can not sleep
01:01 < esden> argh
01:02 < Mike1> esden: whats wrong??
01:04 < esden> Mike1: life sux
01:04 < fake> esden: ACK
01:06 < fake> esden: s,life,real-life,
01:06 < Mike1> esden: what do you need real-life for? right fake?
01:09 < tsa> n8
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01:10 < Mike1> n8 ts
01:10 < fake> Mike1: right.
01:10 < esden> fake: yes real-life sux
01:10 < esden> and feelings suk ... and logic sux
01:11 < Mike1> we certainly do have s*ht going on in our real-lifes, but who cares it will never be able to reach us here
01:11 < WKaibigan> Stick with the computer, it loves you.
01:11 < Mike1> well even rock developers have feelings
01:11 < Mike1> at least during idle time
01:12 < fake> esden: hide in the wired
01:13 < fake> everything.. is always... connected....
01:13 < esden> fake: but I do not think that i want to hide ...
01:13 < Mike1> and we are always here to help you find a way to forget about shit
01:13 < esden> that is very complicated
01:16 < fake> esden: you can either hide, or stop whining and do something about it.
01:18 < esden> hmm ... /me stops whining ... will work on the problem
01:18 < Mike1> yes esden just face the problem
01:19 < Mike1> and kick the problems ass
01:19 < fake> th: my Krups is running the Frambuffer at 75 Hz
01:20 < esden> kick the problem ass
01:20 < esden> loool
01:20 < esden> lough
01:20 < esden> Mike1: well said ... but I leave it ... it is better I think ... lool
01:22 < huebi> hmm. the Netra does not like cdroms...
01:22 < huebi> tomorrow more cu
01:22 < huebi> good night.
01:22 < esden> n8 huebi 
01:22 < huebi> cu esden 
01:23 < fake> cu esden.
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01:23 < fake> err. n8 huebi.
01:23 * fake needs sleep
01:24 < fake> s,sleep,caffeine,
01:26 < esden> fake: me too
01:26 * -> esden has to get up at 5:30 tomorrow
01:27 * -> esden will die in the university without caffeine
01:28 < fake> ah. an xterm. now i'm happy ;-)
01:28 * Mike1 making some coffee, to stop esden from death
01:30 < fake> esden: i'm in bchat from my Krups ;-)
01:31 < esden> rofl
01:37 < fake> why can't i change the framebuffer settings?
01:41 < fake> hm...
01:41 < fake> strange
01:43 < fake> hm... okay. i will do that later todax
01:44 < fake> now: sleeping.
01:44 < Mike1> n8 fake
01:44 < fake> thanks
01:45 < fake> *wachelwink*
01:45 < fake> *wave*@esden
01:47 < esden> rewave
01:50 < esden> n8 @ all 
01:50 < esden> sleep well guys
01:51 * -> esden off
01:57 < owl> n8. bye.
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02:12 < Mike1> hi simon
02:12 < Mike1> ... re rxr
02:20 < th> fake: how did you do this?
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02:21 < Ge0rG> hi
02:21 < Mike1> th: fake is away
02:21 < Mike1> hi Ge0rG
02:21 < th> Mike1: grmpf
02:21 < Ge0rG> 'lo Mike1
02:22 < Mike1> grmpf = ?
02:22 < th> 01:44:06 < fake> now: sleeping.
02:22 < Ge0rG> oh, irssi window 35 created *:)
02:23 < th> hmm #kernelnewbies ist mit 16 mein letztes ;)
02:23 < Ge0rG> heute war ein langer tag.
02:23 < th> geht so
02:24 < Ge0rG> 17 chans, rest queries
02:24 < SMP> ihr Interaktionswahnsinnigen ;>
02:25 < th> bei mir sind das nur verstorbene queries. eins mit Ge0rG, eins mit SMP eins fuers lieblings MOTOS ;)
02:25 < th> SMP: das ist wie mit xterms nach ein paar wochen ohne ausloggen
02:26 < th> (nur nicht so kreativ)
02:26 < SMP> /help window
02:26 < SMP> ;p
02:26 < Ge0rG> 17:25:55 -!- Irssi: Starting query in ircnet with th_
02:26 < Ge0rG> Day changed to 03 Jul 2002
02:26 < Ge0rG> like this one? ;)
02:26 < SMP> wenn ich mir das /usr/bin/w auf world so anschaue, macht th nicht nur /windows ungerne zu ;->>
02:27 < th> hmm idle seit gestern nacht gegen 0400
02:27 < th> SMP: da is mir ein sftp defunct...
02:27 < th> neulich...
02:27 < SMP> hmm
02:27 < SMP> hat sich aber wieder erholt
02:28 < Ge0rG> mhm, meine krups hat schon zwei useraccounts ;)
02:29 < th> ausserdem is in dem screen ne menge tcsh
02:29 < th> meine auch. root und th ;)
02:29 < th> SMP: besser?
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02:30 < SMP> th: naja. ist mir eigentlich wumpe ;)
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02:30 < Ge0rG> da waren sie weg, die 35 fenster
02:30 < SMP> hrhrhr
02:30 < th> hehe und warum?
02:30 < th> kein remote-host mit screen gehabt?
02:30 < Ge0rG> irssi out of memory. oder screen. husch und weg war alles ;)
02:30 < Ge0rG> nur noch leerer bildschirm mit nem prompt
02:31 < SMP> tsk
02:31 < th> ich will die krups nur als terminal
02:31 < th> aber wenn moeglich als xterminal mit > 60 hz
02:31 < th> laut fake mit mindestens 75 :)
02:31 < Ge0rG> wenn möglich auch 80 ;)
02:31 < th> und default-color green
02:32 < SMP> quoting the FAQ:
02:32 < SMP> For video display, the JavaStation-NC utilizes 
02:32 < SMP> the PCI-based IGS C1682 framebuffer, 
02:32 < SMP> capable of 1280x1024@80Hz in
02:32 * Ge0rG hatte auf der dbox eine grau-auf-rosa-konsole
02:32 < SMP> 24-bit "true color".
02:32 < th> 22:00:57 < thalerim> huebi: https://freebits.de/trash/framebuff-green.diff
02:33 < SMP> hmm
02:33 < SMP> das Teil hat 2MB Videoram
02:34 < Ge0rG> SMP: die frage ist ja nicht ob es geht, sondern wie :)
02:34 < SMP> da passen 1280*1024*3 byte aber nicht rein
02:34 < th> richtig
02:34 < Ge0rG> hm...
02:34 < th> faktor 2
02:34 < Ge0rG> macht man halt texturkompression ;)
02:34 < th> so grob ;)
02:35 < Ge0rG> mir würden ja auch 16bit reichen, aber bei 8 ist webbrowsen eher bescheidn
02:37 < th> das reicht doch auch nich fuer 16 bit
02:38 < th> 12.8 bit mehr is nicht drin
02:38 < Ge0rG> das würde mir zur not genügen ;)
02:38 < th> mir reichen auch 8
02:38 < th> oder 7
02:38 < Ge0rG> damit kann man nicht sörfen.
02:39 < th> w3m
02:39 * Ge0rG hat heute remote mit galeon gesurft und es sah traurig aus
02:40 < th> SMP: aehm mal was anderes... wann zieht euer noc endlich um, damit wir mate lagern koennen? ;)
02:40 < Ge0rG> *lol*
02:40 < th> (das war doch der wahre grund fuer den umzug, oder)
02:43 < SMP> *what the fuck*
02:43 < th> wie?
02:43 < SMP> meine Krups macht auf einem nach dem Einschalten nur lustige Tests?
02:43 < th> SMP: die tests hat ich auch schon
02:44 < th> SMP: kommen bei ner bestimmten tastenkombination
02:44 < SMP> ich drueck aber nix..
02:44 < Ge0rG> wie flasht man eigentlich das flashrom der krups neu, wenn man es nicht drin haben darf beim starten?
02:45 < th> Ge0rG: man jumpert um, so dass man an den boot-prompt kommt um via boot net zu booten
02:45 < Ge0rG> ah
02:45 < th> SMP hat da details
02:45 < Ge0rG> ich merke, hier bin ich richtig :)
02:46 < Ge0rG> hm... wenn ich titanic in die abstellkammer stelle, kann ich root über nfs mit 10mbit aber dafür 24/7 anbieten. ansonsten nur wenn der grosse PC an ist. irgendwie sonderbar.
02:48 < th> Ge0rG: du musst halt mehr fuer mich arbeiten ;)
02:48 * th wiederholt sich.
02:48 < Ge0rG> th: du meinst, wenn ich lange genug für dich arbeite, gibt es 100mbit-karten mit bnc-stecker?
02:49 < th> Ge0rG: nein aber genug um deine coax verkabelung abzuloesen
02:49 < Ge0rG> hm... das kann ich mir jetzt schon leisten. es fehlt der wille zur technischen durchführung, und das werkzeug
02:50 < th> Ge0rG: dann musst du zuerst deinen inneren schweinehund ueberwinden
02:50 < Ge0rG> das ist immer das schwierigste
02:53 < th> 16:35:59 <SMP> ;-} ok
02:53 < th> Day changed to 29 Jun 2002
02:53 < th> Day changed to 30 Jun 2002
02:53 < th> Day changed to 01 Jul 2002
02:53 < th> Day changed to 02 Jul 2002
02:53 < th> Day changed to 03 Jul 2002
02:53 < th> das hier is noch schoener ;)
02:53 < Ge0rG> ich räume mein irssi einmal am tag auf
02:53 < th> ich offensichtlich nicht
02:55 < th> eine ewig-idlendes query mit einem t-dsler sieht anders aus.
02:55 < th> da stehen dan die ganzen quits hintereinander
02:56 < Ge0rG> jo, mit meinem wirs aber auch nicht anders sein
03:02 < th> n8 Ge0rG 
03:02 < Ge0rG> cu leuts
03:03 < Ge0rG>   3:04am  up 12:39,  7 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
03:03 < Ge0rG> hm... jetzt muss ich die krups runterfahren
03:05 < Ge0rG> interessant, da erscheint dann in schwarz auf dunkelblau mitten in der console "halt, freezing"
03:06 < th> das hat ich noch nicht
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07:25 < huebi> moin
07:31 < SMP> hallo huebi 
08:02 < huebi> hi SMP 
08:03 < huebi> Die Netra X1 mag kein CDROM.
08:04 < SMP> und meine Krups mag nicht mehr booten :(((
08:04 < SMP> macht nur noch den extrem bunten und langen POST
08:08 < huebi> Batterie rausnehmen und damit reseten?
08:13 < huebi> SMP: du kannst auch mal ein Terminal an die serielle Schnittstelle anschliessen, um zu sehen, was sie sagt.
08:15 < SMP> das hat die Lage nur noch verschlimmert :(
08:16 < SMP> ich denke nicht, dass sie auf der AUX etwas sagen wird
08:16 < SMP> das ist ein POST. Video, CPU, Sound Test
08:16 < SMP> nicht mal 's  OBP kommt hoch
08:17 < SMP> fuck
08:17 < SMP> jetzt regt sich ausser Videomuell nichts weiter
08:19 < huebi> Probier die serielle Schnittstelle trotzdem mal. SUNs sind da immer sehr gespraechig.
08:21 < huebi> SMP: Wenn ich meine Ultra 30 auf maximalen DIAG Mode stelle, tut sich auf dem Monitor bestimmt 6 min nichts, seriell werden aber alle POST Tests ausgegeben.
08:24 < SMP> o
08:24 < SMP> k
08:24 < SMP> ok
08:24 < SMP> ich bekomm ueber serial im Grunde das selbe wie auf dem Monitor
08:24 < SMP> POST Video Interactive & IIep CPU tests set starting
08:24 < SMP> Displayed Chars A-Z, a-z, 0-9...on the screen...
08:24 < SMP> Press a key (Valid: A-Z or a-z or Del or BackSpace or Esc or Return) to continue...
08:26 < huebi> SMP: ist neben dem Lautsprecher auch kein JumPer gesteckt?
08:26 < SMP> jetzt geht da die post ab
08:27 < SMP> der Jumper um ins OBP prompt zu kommen ist nachwievor gesetzt
08:28 < huebi> nimm den doch mal raus.
08:31 < SMP> hmm. das ist ja krass
08:35 < huebi> SMP: was? ;-))
08:36 < SMP> end-krass
08:36 < SMP> ok, jumper raus -> bootet durch
08:36 < SMP> jumper wieder drin -> nur POST
08:36 < SMP> das witzige ist - der jumper war die ganzen Tage drin und hat nur ein OBP Prompt, aber _nie_ diesen POST bewirkt
08:40 < huebi> SMP: Hast du die iX 12/2001? Da ist ein Artikel ueber die JavaStation-NC mit Linux drin. Ich kann ihn auch (mit viel Umstaenden) einscannen und dir mailen oder faxen.
08:40 < SMP> habe ich nicht
08:40 < SMP> ist er lesenswert?
08:42 < SMP> Maaaahn
08:42 < SMP> ich will mein OBP prompt wieder ;-|
08:45 < huebi> SMP: Ich glaube du weisst schon mehr, als drin steht. Er fasst es nur noch mal schoen zusammen.
08:45 < SMP> ah. ja, sowas hatte ich vermutet ;)
08:45 < huebi> hehe
08:46 < SMP> nicht noetig, die Umstaende zu machen, Danke
08:46 < huebi> ok
08:48 < SMP> meine Guete, wenn ich diesen POST sehe, verstehe ich wieso grosse Suns Ewigkeiten damit verbringen
08:48 < SMP> und ich dachte, IBM wuerde POSTs -zelebrieren- ;)
08:49 < huebi> E10K: 20 min pro Systemboard mit 4 CPU's und davon hat die 16 Stueck.
08:50 < huebi> SparcStation IPC braucht zum booten 10min ...
08:51 < huebi> SMP: Grosse IBMs werden aber auch nicht mehr abgeschaltet bevor sie abgebaut werden.
08:51 < huebi> noch so ein bischen info ueber die Hardware:
08:51 < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Miscellaneous/MISC_JavaStation_JK.html
08:52 < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/System_Board/SYSBD_JavaStation_JK.html
08:53 < SMP> ja, die untere kenn ich
08:53 < huebi> die ist auch sehr informativ.
08:53 < [anders]> Gooooooooooooood Mooooooooooorrrning #rocklinux
08:53 < huebi> hi [anders] 
08:54 < [anders]> re huebi 
08:54 < [anders]> This is IRC from my home box (and I am at work.. )
08:54 < [anders]> yip yip! :)
08:54 < huebi> you start to work early ;-))
08:57 < [anders]> I try and be in for 08:00
08:57 < huebi> [anders]: can you use port 22 for ssh?
08:57 < [anders]> I usually go home around 17:00
08:57 < [anders]> huebi: how do you think I get in to my box at home? ;-) 
08:58 < huebi> 08:57 < [anders]> I try and be in for 08:00 <- 1 or 2h time shift?
08:58 < [anders]> Yeah, they use a PIX here, only ports 80 and 443 is blocked and forced through a proxy..
08:58 < [anders]> huebi: compared to you, one hour timeshift..
08:59 < [anders]> or rather, compared to where you live.. :)
08:59 < SMP> ok, this JavaStation is bahaving absolutely weird
08:59 < [anders]> TZ=BST here, so GMT+1 at the moment..
08:59 < SMP> in fact, it is haveing as documented
08:59 < huebi> [anders]: over port 443 with ssh tunneled over the Proxy via HTTP CONNECT ;-)))) with transconnct.
08:59 < SMP> but it never used to before
08:59 < [anders]> huebi: Yeah, used to do that.. No need now when they put the PIX in.. :)
09:00 < [anders]> SMP: What can I say, it is SUN equipment.. It is not ment to behave in a sane way..
09:00 < huebi> [anders]: and you are free to use the PIX as you want?
09:00 < [anders]> huebi: no-one moans if you ssh in to your box at home.. 
09:01 < [anders]> There is enough traffic on the network here as is..
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09:07 < dilema> anyone around
09:07 < [anders]> dilema: yup..
09:07 < dilema> i don't wanna be the guy that comes in sounding stupid .BUT
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09:07 < dilema> I can't seem to find L-M Sensors RPM" andwhere
09:07 < dilema> anywhere*
09:08 < dilema> lm_sensors-2.6.3-1.src.rpm
09:08 < [anders]> dilema: uhm.. .rpm ?
09:08 < dilema> I need it and it's impossible to actually find
09:08 < dilema> ya i need it for Gkrellm to display temps and fan rpm's...etc
09:09 < huebi> dilema: https://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/
09:09 < dilema> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
09:09 < dilema> Thats the only place on the net that it seems to be. And well that link has been down For 4 days
09:09 < dilema> possibly longer
09:09 < [anders]> dilema: it is usually a bad idea to mess around with RPM's anyway.. you want the tar.gz2 or the tar.gz archive...
09:10 < huebi> dilema: bug your ISP. Here it works.
09:10 < [anders]> err, tar.bz2
09:11 < dilema> lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz
09:11 < dilema> ^^^^^ that tar file?
09:11 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz
09:11 < [anders]> dilema: that file, yes..
09:12 < dilema> ok i got it
09:13 < huebi> If I can get 10MByte data transfer for 1 EUR with GPRS I'll do it! ;-))
09:14 < dilema> OMG i just read the install file and i am shitting myself
09:14 < [anders]> dilema: well, yes.. LM Sensors is not something you want to piss about with unless you know what you are doing..
09:14 < dilema> ya but i need it for My Gkrellm
09:15 < [anders]> I had a play with it a while ago, and I decided to get it off my laptop faster than you can say 'bottletop'..
09:15 < dilema> hehe I know this really cool chic that ssh's into my box to set up shit that i can't.hehe how lame am i
09:16 < [anders]> dilema: what are you using Gkrellm for?
09:16 * dilema is gonna have to give her a ring
09:16 < dilema> I am using it to monitor my box
09:16 < dilema> I had it all set up before but i got h4x0red and my box went to P00p
09:16 < dilema> damn script kiddies
09:17 < [anders]> dilema: ok... idea for future, get all things set up, then take a backup of at least /etc and /var ... ;-)
09:17 < dilema> ya well i have a 2 gig partition underneith Nix* running 98 now so i can just save to that aprtition
09:18 < dilema> backup will be easier now
09:18 < [anders]> yip.. :)
09:19 < dilema> thats why i am so partital to RPM's cause there extremely easy to set up
09:20 < [anders]> installing tripwire now..
09:20 < dilema> i was gonna install that
09:21 < [anders]> dilema: depends.. stop all services you do not use, then get fwbuilder and create a packetfilter that makes your box harder to hack in to..
09:21 < dilema> well the only services i usually run are ssh and HTTP
09:23 < SMP> which are the two ones for which exploits have been recently published ;-}
09:23 < dilema> ya
09:24 < dilema> but i got 2.0.39 Apache and i am installing Openssh3 tomorrow whenever i get the chance
09:25 < [anders]> dilema: OpenSSH 3.4p1
09:25 < [anders]> had that installed for a while now.... :)
09:25 < dilema> ya but i am fairly new to Nix so installing shit isn't as easy for me ya know
09:26 < dilema> i always seem to mess it up
09:27 < [anders]> dilema: you don't happen to be called 'gadge' elsewhere?
09:27 < dilema> naw why? 
09:27 < [anders]> dilema: I think I know your long lost brother... ;-D
09:28 < dilema> but gadge was that little kids name in pet semitary
09:28 < dilema> Umm my long lost brother? is that good or am i making an ass of my self
09:28 < [anders]> dilema: only joking, ther eis a guy nick'ed gadge here where I work that has the same problems with unix as you do.. ;-)
09:29 < dilema> it's just installing shit. it's such a difficult task for me. i dunno why
09:29 < dilema> it's like the Nix Gods don't like my ass
09:30 < dilema> almost makes me wanna lower my head in shame and jump back on 98
09:30 < SMP> if you can't stand the heat ..
09:31 < SMP> *grin*
09:31 < dilema> c'mon man why ya gotta hate on me
09:31 < dilema> lol
09:36 < SMP> hmm
09:37 < SMP> I think need a 1/2 TB SCSI RAID for my laptop
09:37 < SMP> but no larger than a box of cigarettes
09:37 < SMP> ;-}
09:39 < SMP> oh, the dRock mirror is complete now
09:39 < SMP> where, rxr...
09:40 < SMP> s/,/ is/
09:41 < huebi> SMP: assimilated...?  *g*
09:42 < SMP> /dev/vghome/lv00      3.9G  3.4G  315M  92% /home
09:42 < SMP> gee ..
09:42 < SMP> how small a 20GB drive can be ;-}
09:44 < [anders]> SMP: get one of those 48GH IBM laptop disks..
09:44 < [anders]> 48GB 5400rpm disk.. :)
09:44 < [anders]> (I'll be getting one at some point..
09:44 < [anders]> )
09:44 < SMP> with FireWire connector?
09:44 < huebi> 200 GB on a2.5" drive are possible.
09:45 < [anders]> SMP: if you get a firewire external case, sure..
09:45 < [anders]> I was more thinking as an internal disk..
09:46 < SMP> 20+40 is better than only 40 ;>
09:47 < [anders]> SMP yeah, so get the new disk and an external FireWire case, copy everything from internal disk to external disk, swap them around and use the 20GB disk as temporary storage.. :)
09:47 < SMP> I can't even afford any empty case at this point, so... 
09:47 < SMP> ;-()
09:49 < [anders]> Ah.. Well, I am sort of skint as well after buying this PC.. So I have to wait with the disk for a while now.. Going to put this PC to good use soon.. Build ROCK 1.5.16... :)
09:49 * SMP wonders when the first 64bit Hammer Laptop will be available ;)
09:50 < [anders]> SMP: sometime in the not so near future... ;-)
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09:56 < [anders]> Humma.. just seen the dRock 1.6.0 announcement..
09:56 < [anders]> might give that a play...
10:00 < [anders]> SMP: mobile clawhammer should ship (according to AMD roadmap) late 1H03 to early 2H03.. So they are a year away..
10:08 < huebi> https://www.linux-kongress.org/2002/workshops/ <- We should do that.
10:09 < [anders]> this is stupid.. IBM is running the ad 'Peace, Love and Linux'.. You guys heard of it?
10:09 < huebi> [anders]: Jo, I saw it in Mainz.
10:10 < [anders]> huebi: ok, we are not allowed to use the 'Peace' logo on the posters here in UK, the logo is banned by IBM UK..
10:10 < huebi> [anders]: Why did they do that?
10:11 < [anders]> huebi: fsck knows, but the IP lawyers are crawling all over them posters tearing them down..
10:23 * huebi starting HotJava Browser...
10:23 < esden> hi all
10:24 < esden> does anyone of you need want a serial terminal?
10:24 < huebi> esden: What make and model?
10:24 < esden> maximal 64 baud
10:24 < esden> production date 1978
10:24 < esden> ;-)
10:24 < huebi> * HotJava Browser started
10:25 < huebi> hehe
10:25 < huebi> esden: Manufacturer?
10:25 < esden> all configuration is made using switches
10:25 < esden> huebi: siemens
10:26 < esden> no comment I know ;-)
10:26 < huebi> ohh, The Browser is still loading ;-))
10:26 < huebi> esden: No, I don't like the siemens ones.
10:27 < esden> browser in java that must be very performant
10:27 < huebi> * still 100% CPU load...
10:27 * huebi gets a coffee *eg*
10:27 < esden> huebi: use this browser as a substitute for quake as a benchmark ;-)
10:27 < huebi> (I should better get a shower..)
10:28 < huebi> ... or go shoping
10:28 < esden> huebi: you have time enough now to get a shower and coffee
10:28 < esden> and shopping
10:28 < huebi> I could also get the coffee in Costa Rica ...
10:29 < esden> lool ... true ;-)
10:29 < huebi> still loading...
10:29 < esden> get your jet ... and take me with you
10:30 < esden> please *look_at_huebi_like_a_dog*
10:31 < huebi> esden: Java now makes some new pictures...
10:32 < huebi> esden: https://www.linux-kongress.org/2002/workshops/ <- Let them pay?
10:32 < huebi> * still 100% CPU load...
10:33 * huebi is deeply impressed how slow commercial software can be....
10:33 < huebi> ready.
10:34 < huebi> ready in 10 minutes for the homepage. kool
10:34 < SMP> . o O ( noone told Huebi yet that HotJava is not meant to be run..? )
10:35 < esden> SMP: can it be that it is ment to be booted ?
10:36 < esden> +a
10:37 < huebi> hmm, IBM designed the Power4 processors to get Java _running_
10:40 < huebi> Waaaaah. Netra-J installs a dhcpd!
10:40 < huebi> unasked!
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10:46 < esden> nasty netra ;-)
10:46 < thalerim> moin!
10:46 < esden> hi thalerim 
10:46 < thalerim> huebi!!!!!
10:46 < thalerim> hi esden
10:47 < thalerim> huebi: ich weiß, dass du da bist :P 's gibt gute nachrichten
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10:49 < esden> hi capchaos_ 
10:50 * thalerim pieckst mal huebi in seinen Hintern!
10:50 < esden> thalerim: yes he is here ... but overloaded with java ;-)
10:50 < esden> thalerim: tztztz ... what do you want with his but ? ;-)
10:50 < thalerim> but??
10:51 < esden> butt
10:51 < [anders]> butt maybe?
10:51 < esden> hintern
10:51 < [anders]> *lol*
10:51 < esden> [anders]: correct ;-)
10:52 < thalerim> esden: well, if i have been you, i would have kissed it :P
10:52 < esden> WHAT?
10:52 < [anders]> my german is still poor, very poor, but getting better with more exposure..
10:52 < esden> thalerim: what do you think about me ??? !!!
10:52 < esden> yuk
10:52 * -> esden exposing [anders] to german
10:53 < esden> [anders]: i hope you will not burn through ;-)
10:53 < thalerim> esden: mh, wait a sec
10:53 < [anders]> esden: not quite to that level.... ;-)
10:53 < thalerim> ah fuckit
10:53 < esden> thalerim: ???
10:54 < thalerim> actualle you have not to wait I forgot the crash of my HD :-(
10:54 < thalerim> I've lost what i wanted to show you
10:55 < huebi> re. Just had a shower ;-))
10:55 < huebi> moin thalerim 
10:55 < thalerim> heh :-)
10:55 < thalerim> er hatt noch tastaturen
10:56 < thalerim> https://www.3m3718.com/modelm.html
10:56 < thalerim>  <---
10:57 < huebi> *click*
10:57 < thalerim> huebi: my friend comes right now, we are going to watch a dvd
10:57 < thalerim> see you later, k?
10:57 < thalerim> 15euro das stück ;)
10:57 < huebi> thalerim: ok
10:57 < thalerim> + versandskosten
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10:58 < huebi> und die Terminals?
10:59 < esden> ahh diese tastaturen sind geil
10:59 < huebi> esden: Jo
10:59 < esden> ich will so eine haben
10:59 < esden> ich habe zwar schon eine aber ich will mehr !!!
11:00 < esden> ich will dass tastaturen solcher art an jedem meiner rechner hengen
11:00 < esden> scheisse wocher soll ich 15 eur + versandkosten herbekommen *heul*
11:01 < huebi> esden: I used to use IBM ones till I got the ones from SGI.
11:02 < esden> are they better ?
11:04 < huebi> esden: they are as heavy as the IBMs, have also a very good keymechanism design and have a US keymapping.
11:04 < huebi> mom
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11:07 < huebi> esden: I cant find a picture.
11:12 < huebi> booting HotJava...
11:17 < [anders]> huebi: you never let on before you were in to masochism...? :);-)
11:19 < huebi> [anders]: hehe
11:19 < huebi> [anders]: no, I just want to find out how the firmware update of the Krups is made.
11:22 < huebi> 20 or 25 MHz Sparc CPU and 64MB RAM and HotJava... If you want to kill much time...
11:24 < [anders]> huebi: like a day or two?
11:25 < huebi> [anders]: at least. I would better speak of weeks or so..
11:40 < SMP> huebi: uhm
11:40 < huebi> SMP: ? ;-)
11:41 < SMP> huebi: all I did was take SUNWjsosl/root/opt/SUNWjsos/javaos/JSIIep/javaos and boot the Krups with it
11:41 < SMP> no need to install all that Netra j-unk
11:43 < huebi> SMP: Thank you. There are posibly some OBP updates avaliable. I search for them.
12:19 < esden> huebi: np
12:20 < huebi> 1 esden = 72min, hehe
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12:21 < holyolli> moin
12:22 < huebi> moin holyolli 
12:22 < holyolli> huhu huebi :)
12:25 < holyolli> huebi: ich hab mir heut morgen leider den aktuellen build von rock-alpha geschossen - ich kann dir also nur die rockcd vom linuxtag mitbringen
12:27 < huebi> holyolli: Is ok. ;-))
12:44 < [anders]> re holyolli 
12:45 < holyolli> hi anders
12:51 < fake> mornin
12:51 < holyolli> moin fake
12:57 < esden> huebi: good roundtrip what ?
12:57 < esden> hi holyolli 
12:57 < holyolli> hi esden
12:58 < huebi> esden: T-Offline has often such lags  *eg*
12:58 < huebi> hi fake 
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13:05 < th> nvidia 1.0-2960 is out since 5/23/2002
13:08 < esden> huebi: yes I know
13:08 < huebi> it seams to get better...
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13:21 < bluefire> Hi 
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13:24 < huebi> hi bluefire 
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14:06 < thalerim> re
14:06 < huebi> hi thalerim 
14:07 < thalerim> is der preis in ordnung ?
14:08 < huebi> jo, schaetze ich schon. Ich benutze aber meine alten Tastaturen von SGI. Die gefallen mir noch besser als dievon IBM
14:09 < fake> *chihi* SGI rulez.
14:09 < thalerim> ich kann dir ja mal die e-mail adresse von dem typen geben
14:09 < thalerim> oder keine interesse mehr?
14:10 < huebi> thalerim:jo, mach das. Ein Freund koennte noch Interesse haben. Ich leite das dann weiter..
14:10 < thalerim> ok, mom
14:15 < thalerim> huebi: ich hab noch grad kurz ne mail geschrieben; warte grad auf rückmeldung
14:16 < huebi> thalerim: ok ;-)
14:22 * th is currently testing nvidia 1.0-2960
14:23 < thalerim> does anyone know which key SysRq  should be ?
14:23 < huebi> thalerim: jo
14:24 < thalerim> welcher?
14:24 < huebi> sysrq = Druck / SYstemabfrage
14:24 < huebi> links neben rollen
14:25 < thalerim> ach systemabfrage!
14:25 < thalerim> danke, damit kann ich was anfangen ;)
14:26 < SMP> SysAbf. rules ;)
14:27 < huebi> SMP: ACK
14:27 < SMP> the Linux Kernel must be about the only piece of software actualle useing it ;)
14:28 < fake> SMP: I just wanted to ask... what was it intended for?
14:28 < fake> must be from XT times
14:28 < huebi> ctrl-alt-sysrq + :
14:28 < thalerim> https://www.cbbrowne.com/info/linuxkernel.html
14:28 < huebi> s = sync
14:28 < thalerim> search for "Kernel Key Sequences"
14:28 < SMP> well maybe in the 80s there were more programs that used it..
14:28 < huebi> u = unmount
14:29 < fake> like GW-BASIC ? ;-)
14:29 < huebi> b = reboot
14:29 < SMP> fake: well. what was the ESC key intended for?
14:29 < SMP> fake: ;->
14:30 < SMP> just hit C-A-SysReq Space to get a short help
14:30 < huebi> fake: On applications on mainframes SysRq was very common.
14:30 < SMP> jup
14:30 < fake> or C-A-SysReg-H
14:30 < fake> Online Help ;-)
14:30 < thalerim> :P
14:31 < fake> huebi: why is it on low-end-pc-keyboards then?
14:32 * fake having a cigarette - finally done with that XML _CRAP_
14:36 < huebi> fake: it could be there to use it with a terminal emulation.
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14:44 < huebi> moin snyke 
14:44 < snyke> moin
14:44 < WKaibigan> Is there anywhere I can download the XFree file from for the 1.5.16 installation CD? The file on the CD is corrupt :-(
14:44 < huebi> WKaibigan: mom
14:45 < WKaibigan> mom?
14:45 < huebi> One moment please... ;-)
14:45 < snyke> :)
14:45 < WKaibigan> Oh. Ok.
14:46 < fake> *argh*
14:46 < huebi> WKaibigan: Which CPU?
14:46 < fake> why could it be that my LAMP is lagging from time to time?
14:46 < WKaibigan> 586
14:46 < WKaibigan> AMD K6 2
14:47 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/xfree86.tar.bz2
14:48 < WKaibigan> Thanks huebi.
14:48 < huebi> WKaibigan: happy leechin' It 128KBit
14:48 < huebi> +s
14:48 < WKaibigan> 56k download yet again. Still has to be done I guess.
14:49 < huebi> WKaibigan: have you checked the md5sum?
14:49 < WKaibigan> Of the file or the CD?
14:50 < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/md5sums <- md5cksumfile
14:50 < thalerim> of the file on cd
14:50 < huebi> thalerim: I mean the whole cd
14:50 < huebi> normally just the cd is br0ken
14:50 < WKaibigan> Tried using a checker for Windows and couldn't get it to work.
14:50 < thalerim> you own Mathilda (other words for "you're the boss") ;P
14:51 < huebi> thalerim: MuH!
14:51 < huebi> hehe
14:51 < esden> huebi: Muhuhuhuahaha!!!
14:51 < thalerim> eheheeh!! 
14:51 < thalerim> huebi is becoming a shizo!
14:51 < thalerim> schizo :P
14:52 < huebi> thalerim: I started to build ROCK Linux because my 1.4.0 CD was broken and unreadable after 2-3 installations. There were no ISOs avaliable.
14:53 < thalerim> *???*
14:53 < thalerim> what are you talking about?
14:53 < huebi> thalerim: about broken CD's ;-))
14:53 < thalerim> und du willst mir grad nen schunk aus deinem leben erzählen?
14:54 < thalerim> (does not know what Schunk means in english)
14:54 < thalerim> actually the whole phrase
14:55 < huebi> 14:51 < esden> huebi: Muhuhuhuahaha!!!
14:55 < huebi> here comes Mathilda:
14:56 < SMP> *sigh*
14:56 < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/bse-wahnsinn.mp3
14:56 < thalerim> -lilo`- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Due to hubbing problems we're going to need to do some major rehubbing.  Several main rotation servers, and we'll start pretty quickly.  Please bear with us.
14:56 < huebi> SMP: schon gut ;-))
14:56 < thalerim> what's up with OPN ?
14:57 < SMP> as usual
14:57 < thalerim> what's usual?
14:57 < SMP> having problems and solving them.
14:57 < SMP> by rehubbing / rerouting
14:58 < WKaibigan> Just checked the CD and it failed the md5 test.
14:59 < SMP> hmm
14:59 < SMP> why am I on a server in Texas, USA...
14:59 < huebi> WKaibigan: and the ISO Image?
14:59 < WKaibigan> That was the ISO image. Sorry.
15:00 < SMP> . o O ( a host is a host from coast to coast - and noone will talk to a host that's close - unless the host -that isn't close - is busy, hung or dead )
15:00 < huebi> can you copy all files except Xfree.tar.bz to disk?
15:01 < WKaibigan> Yeah, it is only XFree that had a problem.
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15:02 < thalerim> neat work!
15:03 < huebi> cu later...
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15:04 < thalerim> *grin*
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15:05 < SMP_> what the hell
15:05 < [anders]> SMP_: they are jigging the rotation hubs..
15:06 < [anders]> netsplits galore..
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15:07 < thalerim> KDE 3.0.2 has been released
15:08 < thalerim> May i ask why the following stands on the webpage if 1.5.16 is out?
15:08 < thalerim> ROCK Linux Release:
15:08 < thalerim>   1.4.0 (stable) / 1.5.12 (devel)
15:08 < th> thalerim: because it's out of sync ;)
15:09 < thalerim> you mean it's only on huebi's private PC ?
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15:09 < th> thalerim: no it's at cvs.rocklinux.de and download.rocklinux.de
15:10 < thalerim> but why not on the official page?
15:10 < SMP> because Clifford is currently away
15:10 < thalerim> i see
15:10 < th> SMP: i don't think so
15:11 < th> SMP: he is not away since release of 1.5.13, is he?
15:11 < Mike1> re Hi
15:11 < thalerim> moin Mikel
15:11 < SMP> th: true.
15:11 < Mike1> moin thalerim
15:14 < th> SMP: what's true? ;)
15:14 < fake> *argh* our net is fscked
15:14 < th> he's away that long
15:14 < fake> 20% packet loss
15:14 < SMP> that there is something wrong with Cliffords 1.5 announcements (which don't happen)
15:15 < SMP> my bets are, he wants 1.6.0 out. yesterday.
15:15 < SMP> and rightly so. IMHO
15:15 < WKaibigan> mod
15:16 < th> i see
15:17 < fake> SMP: it is right to finish the things you have started before you wander off to new things. agreed.
15:17 < SMP> th: btw. if you look at the 'News' box you will see that Clifford _did_ announce 1.5.15 there
15:18 < thalerim> yes
15:18 < [anders]> didn't rxr announce dRock 1.6.0 v. recently? 
15:18 < Mike1> [anders]: yesterday
15:18 < [anders]> Mike1: so I wasn't dreaming then.. :)
15:19 < [anders]> Let me guess, ROCK 1.6.0 != dRock 1.6.0
15:19 < SMP> well I think 1.5 has a problem getting to a point where it can be declared stable. there is endless hacking going on (which is good!) - just that does not lead to a stable release.
15:19 < Mike1> [anders]: yes !=
15:19 < thalerim> SMP: but i'd recommend a simple system offering the maintainers a possiblity to announce the things they manage themselves
15:19 < th> i think cliff should get the version on the main-page by something like wget -q -O - https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/VERSION
15:19 < SMP> you have to draw a line somewhere. and line should have been drawn 3 months ago for 1.5
15:19 < SMP> but that's just IMHO and I'm not in charge of it.
15:20 < SMP> and introducing Gnome 2 is certainly far beyond that line.
15:21 < SMP> ROCK did not have a glibc 2.2 based release with Gnome 1.4
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15:33 < esden> cu all
15:33 < rxr> SMP: jups Gnome2 is not a candidate for 1.6! It does not compile 100% in 1.7 and much other apps are not Gnome2 ready ...
15:35 < SMP> rxr! oh there he is finally
15:36 < rxr> SMP: why finally? I was here the last days from time to time ...
15:37 < SMP> rxr: I've mirrored dROCK 1.6.0 at (http|ftp)://download.rocklinux.de/dRock/stable/1.6.0
15:37 < SMP> rxr: feel free to send me any traffic for now. we can see how much it is
15:38 < SMP> rxr: since you have an account you can also take care of the /dRock tree by yourself if you want anything added etc.
15:43 < rxr> SMP oh thanks!
15:43 < rxr> I started some script to rsync mirrors from a cron-job today ... - so I can add the rocklinux.de server ...
15:44 < rxr> how much traffic does ROCK Linux has in your net ?
15:45 < SMP> 40GB last month
15:46 < SMP> that's ok. we're underbooked.
15:46 < SMP> unfortunately
15:47 * fake setting up SS20/Linux
15:58 < th> possible to give a $1 if i pipe something to sh?
15:59 < SMP> depends on the context :))
15:59 < th> cat script.sh | sh
16:00 < WKaibigan> Do I have to do anything to make an eth0 device as I keep getting a device doesn't exist error?
16:00 < th> i want to:
16:00 < SMP> if you want $1 == script.sh, then no
16:00 < th> sudo ./foo.sh arg1
16:00 < th> but it's root-squashed nfs
16:00 < th> so sudo ./foo.sh fails
16:00 < th> because root can't read the file
16:00 < th> cat foo.sh | sudo sh woudl succeed
16:01 < th> but that lacks argument
16:01 < SMP> WKaibigan: and you do what when you get the error?
16:01 < WKaibigan> Boot the machine.
16:02 < WKaibigan> I have alias eth0 tulip setup in modules.conf and have tried insmod tulip and yet when I boot the machine it can never find eth0.
16:02 < th> i want $1 == arg1, SMP 
16:07 < SMP> I don't think that's possible
16:08 < SMP> the shell will try to interpret it as a filename to execute
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16:08 < SMP> hehe
16:08 < Mike1> yo uninvited
16:08 < SMP> echo 'echo $1' | sh /dev/stdin foo
16:08 < SMP> ;-}
16:08 < uninvited> ...*flash*...rocklinux ppl hello !
16:08 < uninvited> hiya mike1
16:08 < WKaibigan> root
16:10 < fake> hi uninvited !
16:12 < uninvited> fake> still no news on the ps2 front...
16:16 < th> SMP: cat isdn-man.sh | + sh /dev/stdin connect
16:16 < th> SMP: good idea thanks
16:17 < fake> uninvited: :(
16:17 < SMP> th: alias +=sudo ?
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16:19 < uninvited> Hmmmm, is dROCK worth to download ???
16:20 < th> SMP: jo
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16:29 < Mike1> be back later
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16:30 < SMP> rxr: are you still here?
16:30 < SMP> $ md5sum -c drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-1.iso.md5
16:30 < SMP> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-1.iso: FAILED
16:30 < SMP> $ md5sum -c drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-2.iso.md5
16:30 < SMP> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-2.iso: FAILED
16:30 < SMP> $ md5sum -c drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso.md5
16:30 < SMP> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso: OK
16:57 < huebi> re
16:59 < fake> re huebi 
17:00 < huebi> hi fake
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17:25 < WKaibigan> eth0: unknown interface: No such device ??? Why won't it find  eth0?
17:26 < SMP> check dmesg
17:28 < SMP> or rather /var/log/messages for that modprobe says
17:28 < fake> SMP: did you ever try to change the FB depth on the Krups?
17:28 < SMP> no.
17:28 < fake> it's weird... fbset doesn't complain, but the mode isn't changed.
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17:29 < WKaibigan> nothing there
17:29 < fake> I'm currently setting up my sparc-compile-machine at work
17:29 < WKaibigan> Is there supposed to be an insmod procedure during boot somewhere?
17:29 < fake> Dual-SuperSparcII
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17:31 < huebi> WKaibigan: /etc/conf/kernel
17:33 < WKaibigan> Just put modprobe tulip into the kernel file and rebooting. Will see if that works.
17:34 < WKaibigan> You are a star huebi. Thanks.
17:34 < SMP> autoloading should work though
17:35 < huebi> SMP: How?
17:35 < SMP> what does '/sbin/sysctl kernel.modprobe' print?
17:35 < SMP> huebi: by defining an alias in modules.conf
17:36 < th> error: 'kernel.modprobe' is an unknown key
17:36 < SMP> and CONFIG_KMOD of course
17:36 < huebi> Yes, of course ;-))
17:36 < WKaibigan> I put an alias in modules.conf and that didn't work.
17:36 < SMP> WKaibigan: what does '/sbin/sysctl kernel.modprobe' print?
17:36 < huebi> kernel.modprobe = /sbin/modprobe
17:37 < WKaibigan> Unknown key here for me as well.
17:37 < SMP> well
17:37 < SMP> you forgot to enable CONFIG_KMOD for your kernel
17:37 < SMP> did you build it yourself?
17:37 < WKaibigan> It is just the kernel that was installed from the CD
17:37 < SMP> then it's bug.
17:38 < SMP> 1.5.16?
17:38 < WKaibigan> Yep
17:38 < SMP> huebi: it's a bug.
17:38 < SMP> ;)
17:39 < huebi> This bug will be fixed soon. There are more of these bugs for alpha and sparc64
17:39 < SMP> hmm
17:39 < huebi> on alpha the kernel doesn't even boot.
17:39 < SMP> anyone want a Sun Ray 1 for 299,- ¤?
17:39 < huebi> It's not that easy because I don't understand the code fully.
17:40 < SMP> oh, that one is cheap:
17:40 < SMP> Sun Ultra60 360MHz, 256MB, 9GB, Diskette, CD-ROM, Tape 12/24,C3D, 21"
17:40 < SMP> Monitor, Solaris
17:40 < SMP> EUR 1.900,-
17:40 < huebi> SMP: No, the Krups is my favorite choice. Or Does it boot linux?
17:40 < WKaibigan> Is CONFIG_KMOD the Kernel module loader entry in Loadable module support?
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17:40 < Mike1> re
17:41 < SMP> WKaibigan: press '?'
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18:03 < fake> ncpus probed: 2
18:03 < fake> ncpus active: 1
18:04 < fake> how can i change that?
18:04 < huebi> fake: get rid of the 2nd one *eg*
18:04 < fake> :P
18:04 < fake> ugh. 2.2.19 no-SMP kernel
18:05 < huebi> fake: Use your software support contract and bug the SUN hotline :P
18:05 < fake> huebi: what is a hotline? 
18:05 < fake> ;-)
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18:09 < huebi> fake: if you need somebody to tell your boss "It's not my fault. It's <hotline contractor's> fault." That's a hotline.
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18:14 < fake> aw you mean an azubi! ;-))
18:16 < fake> hm... there _is_ support for SUN SMP machines, right?
18:17 < huebi> fake: That's the cheap version. But after a while everybody starts loughing about the boss. So if he spends more money for e.g a support contract nobody earning less money than the support cost does not even think about loughing to not to be fired.
18:18 < fake> then we are a cheap company
18:19 < huebi> fake: "Please open a call and we can answer your question if you can get SMP support"
18:19 < huebi> hehe
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18:20 < bluefire> re
18:20 < huebi> re bluefire 
18:24 < fake> teh sparc kernel hast _stupid_ defaults...
18:24 < fake> Amige FS support ...
18:25 < huebi> fojo
18:25 < huebi> fake: jo
18:26 < fake> is there a minial replacement for the XFree X-Server that's capable of the X Protocol (e.g. can handle X-Forwarding)
18:27 < fake> i assumed microwindows, but that's not compatible
18:28 < fake> KDrive
18:28 < fake> https://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html
18:29 < fake> compiles into less than 700 KB
18:31 < fake> oh, SMP, th: i know why gpm oopses()
18:32 < fake> gmp tries to acces /dev/misc/psaux, which is calles ps2aux
18:32 < fake> s,gmp,gpm,
18:37 < fake> it's also called Tiny-X and ships with the XFree86 4 source ... o_O
18:39 < fake> it's always nice to notice how much i don't know
18:40 * fake Silke Bischoff - Hold Me
18:45 < huebi> rxr: Ping...
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18:52 < esden> re hi all
18:52 < huebi> hi esden 
18:53 < fake> re esden
18:53 < esden> wee ;-)
18:53 < fake> esden: kompiliert X mit der dietlibc? *fg*
18:53 * -> esden feels like on drugs ;-)
18:54 < esden> fake: nein
18:54 < fake> warum nicht?
18:54 < esden> weiss ich nicht ... ich habe es nicht ausprobiert aber nach aussage von fefe geht es nicht
18:54 < esden> ich werde es irgendwann ausprobieren
18:54 < fake> schade. dann eben uClibc
19:01 < esden> ja sieht so aus
19:01 < esden> ;-)
19:03 < fake> uClibc mailinglists: "I have compiled XFree 4.2 (kdrive/tinyX) without source code modifications."
19:05 < esden> sounds good
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19:13 < fake> https://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/BuildingTinyXByHand
19:14 < fake> wikiwiki *arghl*
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19:39 < esden> ok bdb fixed
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20:01 < owl> hi
20:02 < th> fake: ping?
20:03 < fake> *pong*
20:03 * fake now has to penguins with a sun on his ss20 ;-)
20:06 < th> fake: how did you do the 75Hz?
20:07 < fake> th: fbset -fb /dev/fb/0 told me it is running at 75 Hz.
20:07 < th> fake: you did not change anything?
20:07 < fake> or do you mean X ?
20:07 < th> fake: no
20:07 < fake> th: no
20:07 < th> grmpf
20:08 < th> fake: have you set any jumpers?
20:08 < fake> th: which proll version do you use?
20:08 < th> 15
20:08 < fake> th: nope
20:08 < th> but same with 16
20:08 < fake> hm...
20:08 < th> just 60Hz
20:08 < fake> *urgh*
20:11 * fake faehrt hei,
20:11 < fake> heim
20:11 < fake> bis gleich
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20:35 < fake> sodale.
20:35 < fake> re.
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20:49 < fake> SMP: regarding the audio thing, i think i just found something
20:49 < fake> SMP: the kernel assumes that your system only uses PCI/EBUS if you are on a 64 bit arch
20:49 < fake> e.g. sparc64
20:50 < fake> thus it tries to build for sbus on the Krups
20:55 < uninvited> hmmm, wiki destroys my believing in good & evil scheme...
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20:58 < uninvited> *LOL*
20:58 < uninvited> *ROTFL*
20:58 < uninvited> This is most ridiculous:
20:59 < uninvited> LINK: https://sourceforge.net/projects/hausima/
21:04 < blindcoder> that's not ridiculous, that's cool :D
21:04 < uninvited> you won t say ????
21:04 < uninvited> ...distributing homework over the internet ?...
21:04 < uninvited> OMG
21:05 < snyke> ql
21:05 < snyke> :)
21:05 < snyke> uninvited: how would you distribute your homework?
21:06 < snyke> by hand?
21:06 < snyke> old-fashioned!
21:06 < snyke> :)
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21:25 < SMP> fake: I disagree
21:26 < fake> SMP: aha?
21:26 < SMP> fake: ebus support was there when I looked at cs4231.i
21:27 < fake> SMP: i was looking at 2.4.19-rc1 but that shouldn't have changed...
21:27 < fake> in the header it says
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21:27 < thalerim> re
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21:27 < tsa> tag
21:27 < fake> .... (compile running) something about "If this is not an UltraSparc there is no need for EBUS"
21:27 < thalerim> re tsa
21:27 < SMP> besides, many other drivers _do_ work with ebus on arch = sparc
21:27 < tsa> hi thalerim
21:28 < fake> SMP: i will first try alsa, anyways.
21:29 < fake> SMP: was just a guess. nevermind...
21:30 < fake> i thought ebus is only UltraSparc because only USparc >= 5 are PCI?
21:31 * fake does not know much about sun hardware
21:31 < esden> does anyone know what TOFU means ? 
21:32 < esden> sorry for this stupid question
21:32 < SMP> Text Oben Fullquote Unten
21:32 < thalerim> argh
21:32 < esden> SMP: danke
21:32 < thalerim> da kam mal weider jemand vor mir
21:33 < thalerim> esden: https://learn.to/quote <-- :-)
21:33 < thalerim> beschreibt das sehr gut!
21:33 < SMP> fake: ebus support depends on EB4231_SUPPORT, which depends only on CONFIG_PCI. of course, you must enable that in the kernel config
21:34 < fake> i did.
21:35 < fake> SMP: what is init/do_mount.c all about?
21:35 < fake> s,mount,mounts,
21:37 < SMP> <0>stefanp@beans[linux](600)$ find . -name do_mounts.c
21:37 < SMP> <0>stefanp@beans[linux](601)$ 
21:37 < fake> ugh. 
21:37 < SMP> what funny tree are you looking at?
21:37 < esden> thalerim: thanks
21:37 < fake> SMP: 2.4.19-rc1
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21:39 < thalerim> re anders
21:39 < [anders]> re thalerim 
21:39 < [anders]> night night all... :)
21:39 < SMP> fake: ah, it's new in 2.4.19
21:40 < SMP> fake: backport from 2.5, it seems. I don't know anything about it
21:40 < tsa> hm..
21:40 * tsa rebuilding kernel.
21:41 < fake> SMP: strange.. i first built with -j2 and there he complained. no i built with just "make vmlinux" and now he complains about something completely different (ramdisk needing floppy support o_O)
21:41 < fake> s,no ,now ,
21:42 * fake building again...
21:43 < fake> aw, and i think i now know why i couldn't switch the fb to 16bit
21:43 < fake> under "low level options" only 8 bit is activated by default
21:43 < fake> (Maybe someone thought aplletalk is more important than 16bit FB ;-)
21:45 < fake> now it worked.
21:47 < fake> SMP: how comes the kernel is so much smaller after elftoaout?
21:51 < fake> brb - kernel testen ;-)
21:52 < tsa> bbl.
21:52 < tsa> dito ;)
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21:54 < fake> shit. NFSROOT vergessen >_<
21:56 < SMP> a.out is rather simple and efficient. but much less powerful.
21:58 * fake switching his system to a.out. ;-))
22:00 < SMP> don't you know that until -uhm- '94 or so (really don't know exactly) a.out was indeed used exclusively on linux?
22:00 < fake> i know. i bought slackware in 95 which was still a.out
22:00 < thalerim> reconnect, brb
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22:00 < SMP> a.out doesn't really do shared libs, though
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22:01 < fake> yeah. there were lots of problems with mixed a.out/ELF systems IIRC
22:02 < thalerim> re
22:03 < fake> but i didn't care. the only thing i used linux for back then was for playing a futuristic text adventure which's name i have forgotten. maybe one day i'll dig out the CD's and install it again ;))
22:06 < fake> okay. now again _with_ nfsroot... brb...
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22:10 < fake> hm :-/
22:10 < fake> i still can't switch to 16 bit :-/
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22:13 < tsa> re
22:13 < thalerim> tsa: uname -a !
22:13 < tsa> 2.4.18 ...weiterhin..
22:14 < tsa> mir fehlten bloss ein paar optionen, die dhcp unbedingt haben wollte..
22:14 * tsa hat sich neuen drucker gekauft und ist am basteln..
22:15 < fake> tsa: was fuer einen?
22:15 < tsa> fake: hp laserjet 1200n
22:15 < fake> nobel!
22:15 < tsa> klein, aber spricht postscript und ist netzwerktauglich..
22:16 < tsa> deswegen auch dhcp..
22:16 < fake> sw33t!
22:16 < tsa> jupp..
22:16 < th> tsa: kannst du mal nvidia auf 2960 updaten?
22:17 < th> tsa: habs vorhin getestet is nur ein s/2880/2960/ und cksum anpasen
22:17 < fake> haben dene ihre versionsnummern irgendeinen tieferen sinn?
22:17 < tsa> th: huh? auf sf cvs ist die version aktuell..
22:18 < tsa> oder meinst du den tree auf cvs.rocklinux.de ?
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22:20 < th> tsa: ich hatte doch vorhin bei sf geguckt? grmpf
22:21 < th> tsa: ahh ich war nur nicht mehr up to date was die sf trees angeht
22:22 < tsa> hehe
22:22 < th> dann muss ich das wohl in cvs.rocklinux.de auch mal machen
22:22 < tsa> schon in arbeit..
22:22 < fake> hehe. jetz compile ich den FB einfach ohne 8bit support. mal sehen was er davon haelt *g*
22:22 < th> danke
22:23 < th> fake: lol
22:23 < th> fake: kann man den auch ohne 60Hz support compilen?
22:23 < fake> th: und bist du nicht willig.... ;-)
22:23 < fake> *lol*
22:24 < fake> *nochsonenspruchvonsichgeb* o_O ?
22:24 < fake> BEISS MICH!
22:25 < thalerim> provoziere es nicht!
22:26 < fake> nicht du :(
22:26 < fake> ;)
22:26 < fake> brb... jetzt aber mit 16bit ;-)
22:26 < thalerim> (ha! wer's glaubt wird seelig :P)
22:26 < tsa> cvs commit: [22:26:42] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/nvidia
22:26 < tsa> *wart*
22:28 < tsa> GRRR.
22:28 < tsa> ich will nen lock.
22:29 < fake> shit.
22:30 < fake> th: das war ne doofe idee. jetzt bleibt er bei dem schoenen "c[] JavaStation" stehen -> FB wird gar nicht initialisiert
22:30 < fake> mal sehen..
22:31 < tsa> hm....
22:32 < tsa> th: ich krieg kein cvs-lock auf world....
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22:41 < [anders]> (not here, watching tv then going bed.) Going to try and build dRock 1.6.0 once everything has downloaded.. Will let you guys know how fast it is on the Shuttle box.. :)
22:41 < thalerim> have fun
22:42 < [anders]> thalerim: Oh, I will.. :)
22:42 < fake> th: i think i have it
22:42 < fake> th: it boots with the initial value it gets by the OBP
22:42 < fake> and that is 8
22:42 < fake> *testing*
22:53 < fake> *urgh*
22:53 < fake> now i _get_ 16 bit.
22:53 < fake> but... 
22:54 < fake> every char is of a 1cm size. 
22:56 < tsa> fein.
22:56 < tsa> es druckt.
22:57 < owl> nice. for users who forgot to forgot to use their glases :P
22:59 < fake> and are only interested in one quarter of the screen. woho.
23:00 < owl> hehe :) who needs more than one quarter of the screen? ;) noone.
23:06 < fake> hm...
23:15 < huebi> re
23:19 < th> tsa: kein lock?
23:20 < fake> hm...
23:20 < tsa> th:
23:20 < tsa> cvs co
23:20 < tsa> dann aendern.
23:20 < tsa> cvs commit
23:20 < tsa> dann krieg ich nur nen
23:20 < tsa> cvs commit: [23:20:30] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/nvidia
23:21 < tsa> sonst nix.
23:21 < th> mompl
23:21 < tsa> CVSROOT="/home/rockcvs/cvs"
23:21 < th> drwxrwsr-x   2 tsa      rockcvsu     1024 Jul  3 22:24 #cvs.lock
23:21 < th> -rw-rw-r--   1 tsa      rockcvsu        0 Jul  3 22:24 #cvs.wfl.world.27766
23:22 < th> you ARE locking it
23:22 < tsa> hm....
23:22 < th> is there another commit running?
23:22 < tsa> warum kann ich es dann nicht committen?
23:22 < tsa> noe, sieht nicht so aus..
23:22 < th> loesch das mal manuel
23:22 < tsa> zumindest nicht von mir.
23:22 < th> /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/nvidia
23:22 < th> da muss irgendwie ein commit oder aehnlich abgeschmiert sein von dir
23:24 < th> tsa: nich auf world committen
23:24 < th> sondern da loeschen ;)
23:24 < tsa> jo, nu klappts.
23:24 < tsa> danke.
23:25 < tsa> nu is das update auf 1.0-2960 auch drin..
23:25 < th> Build-Index gemacht?
23:27 < th> cvs server: [23:26:57] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/kdepim
23:28 < tsa> removed.
23:28 < tsa> und Build-Index hatte ich auch vergessen..
23:29 < th> warum  bleiben die bei dir haengen?
23:29 < tsa> keine ahnung..
23:29 < th> cvs server: [23:28:57] obtained lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/kdepim
23:29 < th> cvs server: Updating ext-config/kdesdk
23:29 < th> cvs server: [23:28:57] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/kdesdk
23:29 < tsa> oh-oh
23:30 < tsa> mom..
23:30 < th> jo das ging
23:31 < tsa> so..sollte jetzt ok sein - keine ahnung, warum da was haengen geblieben war..
23:31 < tsa> (ich hatte so ziemlich alles gelockt)
23:31 < huebi> wann muss denn Build-Index gemacht werden?
23:31 < tsa> huebi: moin erstmal.
23:31 < tsa> ..und ich habe keine ahnung.
23:32 < huebi> moin tsa ;-)
23:33 < th> huebi: bei jeder aenderung in {ext,base}-config
23:33 < fake> huebi: hast du lust igafb.c auf modedb umzuschreiben?
23:34 < huebi> fake: Bei einem 60 Stundentag gerne ;>
23:35 < huebi> th: also genauer wen sich ein Eintrag in einem .pz aendern wuerde?
23:35 < fake> huebi: modprobe ctime
23:35 < tsa> huebi: ein tag = 24h; laenge(tag)=laenge(nacht); also kriegst du mit einem tag und einer nacht schon 48h hin...
23:35 < tsa> ist doch nen gute anfang.. ;-)
23:35 < tsa> s,gute,guter,
23:35 < huebi> tsa: hmmm....
23:36 < huebi> Isch waas ja net...
23:36 < tsa> hehe
23:38 < th> huebi: wenn sich die cksum eines files unter {base,ext}-config  aendert
23:38 < huebi> th: ok danke
23:39 < huebi> Mann! Jetzt arbeite ich schon nicht mehr und der Stress nimmt immer noch kein Ende....
23:39 < huebi> Ich vergesse immer noch so viel..
23:39 < thalerim> wirst eben alt
23:39 < thalerim> :P
23:40 < huebi> thalerim: :P
23:40 < th> ich suche die bezeichnung fuer das pci-device 10de:0250
23:40 < th> nvidia grafik-karte)
23:40 < huebi> th: da muss es eine Datenbank im Kernel geben..
23:40 < SMP> CONFIG_PCI_NAMES ist an?
23:41 < tsa> huebi: jo - "unbreakable" oracle bestimt ;-)
23:41 < th> hab im 2.4.18er gereppt. aber hab wohl was im web gefunden
23:41 < huebi> o_O  Booting Oracle. Pleas wait...
23:42 < huebi> +e
23:42 < th> https://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/?i=10de rockt
23:42 < tsa> hehe
23:43 < SMP> scheint im kernel noch nicht drin zu sein?
23:43 < th> SMP: vllt hab ich ein wenig ungeschickt gegreppt
23:44 < th> #define PCI_VENDOR_ID_NVIDIA            0x10de
23:44 < SMP> im 2.4.16 devlist.c ist's jedenfalls nicht drin
23:44 < th> include/linux/pci_ids.h
23:44 < th> 0x0203 is der letzte eintrag
23:44 < th> (2.4.18)
23:45 < fake> igafb.c can _never_ run any mode other than 8 bit.
23:45 < th> fake: what about the frequencies?
23:45 < fake> the definitions are there, but no modes are supported.
23:45 < fake> th: there are 3 modes
23:45 < fake> 640x480 on non-sparc 
23:45 < th> grmpf
23:46 < fake> and on sparc it's alway 1024x768 at 75Hz
23:46 < th> NAK NAK NAK
23:46 < fake> or 1192xsomething, but that can't happen
23:46 < fake> th: drivers/video/igafb.c
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23:46 < Ge0rG> hi
23:46 < fake> 640x480@60Hz
23:47 < th> 23:45:34 < fake> th: there are 3 modes
23:47 < th> 23:45:43 < fake> 640x480 on non-sparc 
23:47 < huebi> moin Ge0rG 
23:47 < th> 23:46:02 < fake> and on sparc it's alway 1024x768 at 75Hz
23:47 < th> 23:46:12 < th> NAK NAK NAK
23:47 < th> 23:46:18 < fake> or 1192xsomething, but that can't happen
23:47 < fake> 1024x768@75Hz
23:47 < fake> or
23:47 < fake> 1152x900@76Hz
23:47 < huebi> 1280*1024?
23:47 < th> fbset told me something about 1024x768-75 but the monitor says 60Hz
23:47 < fake> ... or 1280x1024@75Hz
23:48 < fake> this is taken over by the prom, with 1024x768 as default
23:48 < fake> how can i change that in the prom?
23:48 < fake> (jumper?)
23:49 < fake> th: I'm pretty sure mine is not running at 60Hz...
23:49 < Ge0rG> in the proll sources there's not much about gfx init
23:49 < th> fake: you asked your monitor?
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23:49 < fake> th: i asked fbset, X and my eyes
23:50 < fake> (and the kernel source)
23:50 < th> fake: i asked my monitor and my ears
23:50 < fake> Ge0rG: indeed. only a few lines in krups/main.c
23:50 < Ge0rG> its running at 61
23:50 < Ge0rG> Hz
23:50 < fake> something is completely wrong then...
23:51 < fake> can anyone come up with a fbset-like modeline ?
23:51 < fake> of 1024x768@75Hz
23:51 < Ge0rG> fbset tells one. but it isn't running
23:51 < Ge0rG> the iga fb source contains some descriptions of the other modes
23:52 < fake> Ge0rG: i read it, and am not sure how to activate the other modes
23:52 < Ge0rG> it should work with the right parameters
23:53 < fake> i.e. if i hardwire it to 16bit-by-default i get triple-sized letters
23:53 < fake> Ge0rG: the right parameters _where_ ?
23:53 < fake> and _which_ parameters?
23:54 < Ge0rG> kernel parameters
23:54 < Ge0rG> like vga= or fb= or something
23:55 < fake> Ge0rG: read the TODO ontop of igafb.c ?
23:55 < tsa> cu all-.
23:55 < tsa> going to get some beers.. ;-)
23:55 < tsa> n8
23:55 < Ge0rG> fake: nope
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23:57 < fake> Ge0rG: i can neither find anything about how to give parameters on the commandline nor how to change it in the prom.
23:57 < fake> it is read from the prom node (whichever) and the parameters are called "height","width" and "depth"
23:58 < esden> cu all
23:58 < fake> cu esden 
23:58 < huebi> cu esden 
23:58 < th> what is the status of xbox and linux?
23:59 < fake> th: xbox-linux.sf.net
23:59 < fake> iirc
23:59 < th> is it legal?
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