-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Jul 03 00:00:06 2002
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Wed Jul 03 2002
[00:00] < fake> only during idle times
[00:00] < Mike1> *g
[00:00]   fake ROCK Monk
[00:00] < huebi> fake: An E15K could need 8h to boot in diag mode..
[00:01] < reutter> bye all
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[00:02] < fake> huebi: and one week to check the 5 pB attached storage. oh well. make it with wife then.
[00:02] < fake> s,wife,female, (!)
[00:02] < huebi> fake: And a E15K is small compared to the IBM stuff as I saw last week
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[00:03] < fake> huebi: i'll probably get my hands on some IBM server hardware at work
[00:03] < WKaibigan> Woohoo, after just over 36 hours and a hot steaming modem, I have managed to download the 1.5.16 iso file and burn it. With a bit of luck I should have Rock up and running by the weekend.
[00:04] < huebi> WKaibigan: Congratulations ;-))
[00:04] < WKaibigan> Last time I am trying to download such a big file using 56K though. :-)
[00:05] < Mike1> WKaibigan: congratz have fun on the instalation
[00:05] < WKaibigan> Cheers. I will have fun as I have been looking forward to trying Rock.
[00:06] < Mike1> WKaibigan: good
[00:06] < Mike1> WKaibigan: you will certainly not regret it
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[00:07] < WKaibigan> I am sure I won't. I have looked at a number of source based distros and Rock seems to appeal to me more than the others.
[00:08] < fake> hm... jetzt sollte x starten
[00:08] < Mike1> well thats because none the others will ROCK you!!! :D
[00:08] < WKaibigan> And I am sure I will like being Rocked ;-)
[00:08] < thalerim> WKaibigan: but what'sa bout aol? Is it already possible to set it up under linux?
[00:09] < WKaibigan> Nope that is the problem. AOL is Windows only and I can't share version 7 over the network the way you could with version 6.
[00:09] < Mike1> WKaibigan: mm...
[00:10] < thalerim> WKaibigan: well, i'm forced to use windows either :-(
[00:10] < thalerim> owning a usb-plugin-wireless-dsl-modem
[00:10] < Mike1> thalerim: dont you have dsl?
[00:10] < thalerim> yea
[00:11] < thalerim> but this modem is supported only by Win98SE!
[00:11] < Mike1> damn
[00:12] < WKaibigan> Just have the Windows machine setup for connection sharing but work from Linux.
[00:12] < thalerim> i managed a 266mhz pc though, but i recognised it doesn't have any usb plugs
[00:12] < thalerim> ditto
[00:14] < thalerim> gonna sleep
[00:14] < Mike1> i have a Linux machine as router, and work on Linux too
[00:14] < thalerim> cya
[00:14] < Mike1> :)
[00:14] < Mike1> n8 thalerim
[00:14] < thalerim> ass :P
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[00:21] < fake> this is odd.
[00:21] < fake> i get the x-server up on the Krups
[00:21] < fake> i see the bg and the mouse cursor (X)...
[00:21] < fake> but after about 1 sec. the x server quits. no error, nothing. just exits...
[00:25] < WKaibigan> I had a similare problem where X would try and load but then exit without an error and that turned out to be that I had forgotten to put a & after one of the commands setup in .xinitrc.
[00:27] < fake> WKaibigan: i just notices that i wanted to call twm but don't have twm >_< ;)
[00:28] < Mike1> fake: hehe
[00:28] < WKaibigan> So easy to do :-)
[00:28] < tsa> lol
[00:31] < fake> aaah. now it works ;)
[00:33] < Mike1> fake: great :)
[00:33] < fake> aiii! it works!
[00:34] < fake> how uncommon... starting X and no noise... no harddisk going insane...
[00:34] < WKaibigan> Such a satisfying feeling when that happens.
[00:35] < tsa> hehe
[00:35] < tsa> fake: you can now give me all your disks.. ;)
[00:35] (Users #rocklinux)
[00:35] [ [anders] ] [ coldie] [ freed ] [ odd_amrimp] [ rxr ] [ tsa ]
[00:35] [ aszlig ] [ esden ] [ hackbard] [ owl ] [ simon] [ WKaibigan]
[00:35] [ blindcoder] [ fake ] [ huebi ] [ praenti ] [ SMP ]
[00:35] [ capchaos ] [ Freak ] [ Mike1 ] [ rolla ] [ th ]
[00:35] -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
[00:36] < fake> "This MIPS Port has been completed within RAM, because tsa got all my disks."
[00:36] < tsa> hehe
[00:36] < fake> "That's also the reason why there is only one package in this target."
[00:36] < fake> ld.so
[00:37] < fake> oh, and that's broken.
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[00:39] < huebi> root@zeus:/tmp# ll /mnt/cdrom/
[00:39] < huebi> -r-xr-xr-x    1 root     root        83179 Jul  3 00:33 tulip-1.1.8.tar.gz
[00:40] < huebi> The answer how to get a new networkdriver to a machine ..
[00:43] < Mike1> fake: :) working now?
[00:43] < fake> yes. installing icewm
[00:48] < fake> it takes aaaaages to start
[00:50] < Mike1> huebi: problem solved
[00:50] < Mike1> ?
[00:51] < huebi> Mike1: just missind iso9960 support in the kernel ;)
[00:51] < fake> heh. this is the first night in my flat without the nois of a computer running in the same room
[00:52] < huebi> how fast does it feel now after booting? Flash is slooow...
[00:52] < Mike1> huebi: good job
[00:53] < fake> huebi: right now i only load the kernel from flash.
[00:54] < fake> rapid filesystem prototyping...
[00:54] < fake> or something ;)
[00:59] < esden> so re
[01:01] < huebi> re esden
[01:01]   esden needs sleep >_<
[01:01]   esden can not sleep
[01:01] < esden> argh
[01:02] < Mike1> esden: whats wrong??
[01:04] < esden> Mike1: life sux
[01:04] < fake> esden: ACK
[01:06] < fake> esden: s,life,real-life,
[01:06] < Mike1> esden: what do you need real-life for? right fake?
[01:09] < tsa> n8
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[01:10] < Mike1> n8 ts
[01:10] < fake> Mike1: right.
[01:10] < esden> fake: yes real-life sux
[01:10] < esden> and feelings suk ... and logic sux
[01:11] < Mike1> we certainly do have s*ht going on in our real-lifes, but who cares it will never be able to reach us here
[01:11] < WKaibigan> Stick with the computer, it loves you.
[01:11] < Mike1> well even rock developers have feelings
[01:11] < Mike1> at least during idle time
[01:12] < fake> esden: hide in the wired
[01:13] < fake> everything.. is always... connected....
[01:13] < esden> fake: but I do not think that i want to hide ...
[01:13] < Mike1> and we are always here to help you find a way to forget about shit
[01:13] < esden> that is very complicated
[01:16] < fake> esden: you can either hide, or stop whining and do something about it.
[01:18] < esden> hmm ... /me stops whining ... will work on the problem
[01:18] < Mike1> yes esden just face the problem
[01:19] < Mike1> and kick the problems ass
[01:19] < fake> th: my Krups is running the Frambuffer at 75 Hz
[01:20] < esden> kick the problem ass
[01:20] < esden> loool
[01:20] < esden> lough
[01:20] < esden> Mike1: well said ... but I leave it ... it is better I think ... lool
[01:22] < huebi> hmm. the Netra does not like cdroms...
[01:22] < huebi> tomorrow more cu
[01:22] < huebi> good night.
[01:22] < esden> n8 huebi
[01:22] < huebi> cu esden
[01:23] < fake> cu esden.
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[01:23] < fake> err. n8 huebi.
[01:23]   fake needs sleep
[01:24] < fake> s,sleep,caffeine,
[01:26] < esden> fake: me too
[01:26]   esden has to get up at 5:30 tomorrow
[01:27]   esden will die in the university without caffeine
[01:28] < fake> ah. an xterm. now i'm happy ;-)
[01:28]   Mike1 making some coffee, to stop esden from death
[01:30] < fake> esden: i'm in bchat from my Krups ;-)
[01:31] < esden> rofl
[01:37] < fake> why can't i change the framebuffer settings?
[01:41] < fake> hm...
[01:41] < fake> strange
[01:43] < fake> hm... okay. i will do that later todax
[01:44] < fake> now: sleeping.
[01:44] < Mike1> n8 fake
[01:44] < fake> thanks
[01:45] < fake> *wachelwink*
[01:45] < fake> *wave*@esden
[01:47] < esden> rewave
[01:50] < esden> n8 @ all
[01:50] < esden> sleep well guys
[01:51]   esden off
[01:57] < owl> n8. bye.
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[02:12] < Mike1> hi simon
[02:12] < Mike1> ... re rxr
[02:20] < th> fake: how did you do this?
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[02:21] < Ge0rG> hi
[02:21] < Mike1> th: fake is away
[02:21] < Mike1> hi Ge0rG
[02:21] < th> Mike1: grmpf
[02:21] < Ge0rG> 'lo Mike1
[02:22] < Mike1> grmpf = ?
[02:22] < th> 01:44:06 < fake> now: sleeping.
[02:22] < Ge0rG> oh, irssi window 35 created *:)
[02:23] < th> hmm #kernelnewbies ist mit 16 mein letztes ;)
[02:23] < Ge0rG> heute war ein langer tag.
[02:23] < th> geht so
[02:24] < Ge0rG> 17 chans, rest queries
[02:24] < SMP> ihr Interaktionswahnsinnigen ;>
[02:25] < th> bei mir sind das nur verstorbene queries. eins mit Ge0rG, eins mit SMP eins fuers lieblings MOTOS ;)
[02:25] < th> SMP: das ist wie mit xterms nach ein paar wochen ohne ausloggen
[02:26] < th> (nur nicht so kreativ)
[02:26] < SMP> /help window
[02:26] < SMP> ;p
[02:26] < Ge0rG> 17:25:55 -!- Irssi: Starting query in ircnet with th_
[02:26] < Ge0rG> Day changed to 03 Jul 2002
[02:26] < Ge0rG> like this one? ;)
[02:26] < SMP> wenn ich mir das /usr/bin/w auf world so anschaue, macht th nicht nur /windows ungerne zu ;->>
[02:27] < th> hmm idle seit gestern nacht gegen 0400
[02:27] < th> SMP: da is mir ein sftp defunct...
[02:27] < th> neulich...
[02:27] < SMP> hmm
[02:27] < SMP> hat sich aber wieder erholt
[02:28] < Ge0rG> mhm, meine krups hat schon zwei useraccounts ;)
[02:29] < th> ausserdem is in dem screen ne menge tcsh
[02:29] < th> meine auch. root und th ;)
[02:29] < th> SMP: besser?
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[02:30] < SMP> th: naja. ist mir eigentlich wumpe ;)
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[02:30] < Ge0rG> da waren sie weg, die 35 fenster
[02:30] < SMP> hrhrhr
[02:30] < th> hehe und warum?
[02:30] < th> kein remote-host mit screen gehabt?
[02:30] < Ge0rG> irssi out of memory. oder screen. husch und weg war alles ;)
[02:30] < Ge0rG> nur noch leerer bildschirm mit nem prompt
[02:31] < SMP> tsk
[02:31] < th> ich will die krups nur als terminal
[02:31] < th> aber wenn moeglich als xterminal mit > 60 hz
[02:31] < th> laut fake mit mindestens 75 :)
[02:31] < Ge0rG> wenn möglich auch 80 ;)
[02:31] < th> und default-color green
[02:32] < SMP> quoting the FAQ:
[02:32] < SMP> For video display, the JavaStation-NC utilizes
[02:32] < SMP> the PCI-based IGS C1682 framebuffer,
[02:32] < SMP> capable of 1280x1024@80Hz in
[02:32]   Ge0rG hatte auf der dbox eine grau-auf-rosa-konsole
[02:32] < SMP> 24-bit "true color".
[02:32] < th> 22:00:57 < thalerim> huebi: https://freebits.de/trash/framebuff-green.diff
[02:33] < SMP> hmm
[02:33] < SMP> das Teil hat 2MB Videoram
[02:34] < Ge0rG> SMP: die frage ist ja nicht ob es geht, sondern wie :)
[02:34] < SMP> da passen 1280*1024*3 byte aber nicht rein
[02:34] < th> richtig
[02:34] < Ge0rG> hm...
[02:34] < th> faktor 2
[02:34] < Ge0rG> macht man halt texturkompression ;)
[02:34] < th> so grob ;)
[02:35] < Ge0rG> mir würden ja auch 16bit reichen, aber bei 8 ist webbrowsen eher bescheidn
[02:37] < th> das reicht doch auch nich fuer 16 bit
[02:38] < th> 12.8 bit mehr is nicht drin
[02:38] < Ge0rG> das würde mir zur not genügen ;)
[02:38] < th> mir reichen auch 8
[02:38] < th> oder 7
[02:38] < Ge0rG> damit kann man nicht sörfen.
[02:39] < th> w3m
[02:39]   Ge0rG hat heute remote mit galeon gesurft und es sah traurig aus
[02:40] < th> SMP: aehm mal was anderes... wann zieht euer noc endlich um, damit wir mate lagern koennen? ;)
[02:40] < Ge0rG> *lol*
[02:40] < th> (das war doch der wahre grund fuer den umzug, oder)
[02:43] < SMP> *what the fuck*
[02:43] < th> wie?
[02:43] < SMP> meine Krups macht auf einem nach dem Einschalten nur lustige Tests?
[02:43] < th> SMP: die tests hat ich auch schon
[02:44] < th> SMP: kommen bei ner bestimmten tastenkombination
[02:44] < SMP> ich drueck aber nix..
[02:44] < Ge0rG> wie flasht man eigentlich das flashrom der krups neu, wenn man es nicht drin haben darf beim starten?
[02:45] < th> Ge0rG: man jumpert um, so dass man an den boot-prompt kommt um via boot net zu booten
[02:45] < Ge0rG> ah
[02:45] < th> SMP hat da details
[02:45] < Ge0rG> ich merke, hier bin ich richtig :)
[02:46] < Ge0rG> hm... wenn ich titanic in die abstellkammer stelle, kann ich root über nfs mit 10mbit aber dafür 24/7 anbieten. ansonsten nur wenn der grosse PC an ist. irgendwie sonderbar.
[02:48] < th> Ge0rG: du musst halt mehr fuer mich arbeiten ;)
[02:48]   th wiederholt sich.
[02:48] < Ge0rG> th: du meinst, wenn ich lange genug für dich arbeite, gibt es 100mbit-karten mit bnc-stecker?
[02:49] < th> Ge0rG: nein aber genug um deine coax verkabelung abzuloesen
[02:49] < Ge0rG> hm... das kann ich mir jetzt schon leisten. es fehlt der wille zur technischen durchführung, und das werkzeug
[02:50] < th> Ge0rG: dann musst du zuerst deinen inneren schweinehund ueberwinden
[02:50] < Ge0rG> das ist immer das schwierigste
[02:53] < th> 16:35:59 <SMP> ;-} ok
[02:53] < th> Day changed to 29 Jun 2002
[02:53] < th> Day changed to 30 Jun 2002
[02:53] < th> Day changed to 01 Jul 2002
[02:53] < th> Day changed to 02 Jul 2002
[02:53] < th> Day changed to 03 Jul 2002
[02:53] < th> das hier is noch schoener ;)
[02:53] < Ge0rG> ich räume mein irssi einmal am tag auf
[02:53] < th> ich offensichtlich nicht
[02:55] < th> eine ewig-idlendes query mit einem t-dsler sieht anders aus.
[02:55] < th> da stehen dan die ganzen quits hintereinander
[02:56] < Ge0rG> jo, mit meinem wirs aber auch nicht anders sein
[03:02] < th> n8 Ge0rG
[03:02] < Ge0rG> cu leuts
[03:03] < Ge0rG>   3:04am  up 12:39,  7 users,  load average: 0.01, 0.02, 0.00
[03:03] < Ge0rG> hm... jetzt muss ich die krups runterfahren
[03:05] < Ge0rG> interessant, da erscheint dann in schwarz auf dunkelblau mitten in der console "halt, freezing"
[03:06] < th> das hat ich noch nicht
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[07:25] < huebi> moin
[07:31] < SMP> hallo huebi
[08:02] < huebi> hi SMP
[08:03] < huebi> Die Netra X1 mag kein CDROM.
[08:04] < SMP> und meine Krups mag nicht mehr booten :(((
[08:04] < SMP> macht nur noch den extrem bunten und langen POST
[08:08] < huebi> Batterie rausnehmen und damit reseten?
[08:13] < huebi> SMP: du kannst auch mal ein Terminal an die serielle Schnittstelle anschliessen, um zu sehen, was sie sagt.
[08:15] < SMP> das hat die Lage nur noch verschlimmert :(
[08:16] < SMP> ich denke nicht, dass sie auf der AUX etwas sagen wird
[08:16] < SMP> das ist ein POST. Video, CPU, Sound Test
[08:16] < SMP> nicht mal 's  OBP kommt hoch
[08:17] < SMP> fuck
[08:17] < SMP> jetzt regt sich ausser Videomuell nichts weiter
[08:19] < huebi> Probier die serielle Schnittstelle trotzdem mal. SUNs sind da immer sehr gespraechig.
[08:21] < huebi> SMP: Wenn ich meine Ultra 30 auf maximalen DIAG Mode stelle, tut sich auf dem Monitor bestimmt 6 min nichts, seriell werden aber alle POST Tests ausgegeben.
[08:24] < SMP> o
[08:24] < SMP> k
[08:24] < SMP> ok
[08:24] < SMP> ich bekomm ueber serial im Grunde das selbe wie auf dem Monitor
[08:24] < SMP> POST Video Interactive & IIep CPU tests set starting
[08:24] < SMP> Displayed Chars A-Z, a-z, 0-9...on the screen...
[08:24] < SMP> Press a key (Valid: A-Z or a-z or Del or BackSpace or Esc or Return) to continue...
[08:26] < huebi> SMP: ist neben dem Lautsprecher auch kein JumPer gesteckt?
[08:26] < SMP> jetzt geht da die post ab
[08:27] < SMP> der Jumper um ins OBP prompt zu kommen ist nachwievor gesetzt
[08:28] < huebi> nimm den doch mal raus.
[08:31] < SMP> hmm. das ist ja krass
[08:35] < huebi> SMP: was? ;-))
[08:36] < SMP> end-krass
[08:36] < SMP> ok, jumper raus -> bootet durch
[08:36] < SMP> jumper wieder drin -> nur POST
[08:36] < SMP> das witzige ist - der jumper war die ganzen Tage drin und hat nur ein OBP Prompt, aber _nie_ diesen POST bewirkt
[08:40] < huebi> SMP: Hast du die iX 12/2001? Da ist ein Artikel ueber die JavaStation-NC mit Linux drin. Ich kann ihn auch (mit viel Umstaenden) einscannen und dir mailen oder faxen.
[08:40] < SMP> habe ich nicht
[08:40] < SMP> ist er lesenswert?
[08:42] < SMP> Maaaahn
[08:42] < SMP> ich will mein OBP prompt wieder ;-|
[08:45] < huebi> SMP: Ich glaube du weisst schon mehr, als drin steht. Er fasst es nur noch mal schoen zusammen.
[08:45] < SMP> ah. ja, sowas hatte ich vermutet ;)
[08:45] < huebi> hehe
[08:46] < SMP> nicht noetig, die Umstaende zu machen, Danke
[08:46] < huebi> ok
[08:48] < SMP> meine Guete, wenn ich diesen POST sehe, verstehe ich wieso grosse Suns Ewigkeiten damit verbringen
[08:48] < SMP> und ich dachte, IBM wuerde POSTs -zelebrieren- ;)
[08:49] < huebi> E10K: 20 min pro Systemboard mit 4 CPU's und davon hat die 16 Stueck.
[08:50] < huebi> SparcStation IPC braucht zum booten 10min ...
[08:51] < huebi> SMP: Grosse IBMs werden aber auch nicht mehr abgeschaltet bevor sie abgebaut werden.
[08:51] < huebi> noch so ein bischen info ueber die Hardware:
[08:51] < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Systems/Miscellaneous/MISC_JavaStation_JK.html
[08:52] < huebi> https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/System_Board/SYSBD_JavaStation_JK.html
[08:53] < SMP> ja, die untere kenn ich
[08:53] < huebi> die ist auch sehr informativ.
[08:53] < [anders]> Gooooooooooooood Mooooooooooorrrning #rocklinux
[08:53] < huebi> hi [anders]
[08:54] < [anders]> re huebi
[08:54] < [anders]> This is IRC from my home box (and I am at work.. )
[08:54] < [anders]> yip yip! :)
[08:54] < huebi> you start to work early ;-))
[08:57] < [anders]> I try and be in for 08:00
[08:57] < huebi> [anders]: can you use port 22 for ssh?
[08:57] < [anders]> I usually go home around 17:00
[08:57] < [anders]> huebi: how do you think I get in to my box at home? ;-)
[08:58] < huebi> 08:57 < [anders]> I try and be in for 08:00 <- 1 or 2h time shift?
[08:58] < [anders]> Yeah, they use a PIX here, only ports 80 and 443 is blocked and forced through a proxy..
[08:58] < [anders]> huebi: compared to you, one hour timeshift..
[08:59] < [anders]> or rather, compared to where you live.. :)
[08:59] < SMP> ok, this JavaStation is bahaving absolutely weird
[08:59] < [anders]> TZ=BST here, so GMT+1 at the moment..
[08:59] < SMP> in fact, it is haveing as documented
[08:59] < huebi> [anders]: over port 443 with ssh tunneled over the Proxy via HTTP CONNECT ;-)))) with transconnct.
[08:59] < SMP> but it never used to before
[08:59] < [anders]> huebi: Yeah, used to do that.. No need now when they put the PIX in.. :)
[09:00] < [anders]> SMP: What can I say, it is SUN equipment.. It is not ment to behave in a sane way..
[09:00] < huebi> [anders]: and you are free to use the PIX as you want?
[09:00] < [anders]> huebi: no-one moans if you ssh in to your box at home..
[09:01] < [anders]> There is enough traffic on the network here as is..
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[09:07] < dilema> anyone around
[09:07] < [anders]> dilema: yup..
[09:07] < dilema> i don't wanna be the guy that comes in sounding stupid .BUT
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[09:07] < dilema> I can't seem to find L-M Sensors RPM" andwhere
[09:07] < dilema> anywhere*
[09:08] < dilema> lm_sensors-2.6.3-1.src.rpm
[09:08] < [anders]> dilema: uhm.. .rpm ?
[09:08] < dilema> I need it and it's impossible to actually find
[09:08] < dilema> ya i need it for Gkrellm to display temps and fan rpm's...etc
[09:09] < huebi> dilema: https://secure.netroedge.com/~lm78/
[09:09] < dilema> GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
[09:09] < dilema> Thats the only place on the net that it seems to be. And well that link has been down For 4 days
[09:09] < dilema> possibly longer
[09:09] < [anders]> dilema: it is usually a bad idea to mess around with RPM's anyway.. you want the tar.gz2 or the tar.gz archive...
[09:10] < huebi> dilema: bug your ISP. Here it works.
[09:10] < [anders]> err, tar.bz2
[09:11] < dilema> lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz
[09:11] < dilema> ^^^^^ that tar file?
[09:11] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/lm_sensors-2.6.3.tar.gz
[09:11] < [anders]> dilema: that file, yes..
[09:12] < dilema> ok i got it
[09:13] < huebi> If I can get 10MByte data transfer for 1 EUR with GPRS I'll do it! ;-))
[09:14] < dilema> OMG i just read the install file and i am shitting myself
[09:14] < [anders]> dilema: well, yes.. LM Sensors is not something you want to piss about with unless you know what you are doing..
[09:14] < dilema> ya but i need it for My Gkrellm
[09:15] < [anders]> I had a play with it a while ago, and I decided to get it off my laptop faster than you can say 'bottletop'..
[09:15] < dilema> hehe I know this really cool chic that ssh's into my box to set up shit that i can't.hehe how lame am i
[09:16] < [anders]> dilema: what are you using Gkrellm for?
[09:16]   dilema is gonna have to give her a ring
[09:16] < dilema> I am using it to monitor my box
[09:16] < dilema> I had it all set up before but i got h4x0red and my box went to P00p
[09:16] < dilema> damn script kiddies
[09:17] < [anders]> dilema: ok... idea for future, get all things set up, then take a backup of at least /etc and /var ... ;-)
[09:17] < dilema> ya well i have a 2 gig partition underneith Nix* running 98 now so i can just save to that aprtition
[09:18] < dilema> backup will be easier now
[09:18] < [anders]> yip.. :)
[09:19] < dilema> thats why i am so partital to RPM's cause there extremely easy to set up
[09:20] < [anders]> installing tripwire now..
[09:20] < dilema> i was gonna install that
[09:21] < [anders]> dilema: depends.. stop all services you do not use, then get fwbuilder and create a packetfilter that makes your box harder to hack in to..
[09:21] < dilema> well the only services i usually run are ssh and HTTP
[09:23] < SMP> which are the two ones for which exploits have been recently published ;-}
[09:23] < dilema> ya
[09:24] < dilema> but i got 2.0.39 Apache and i am installing Openssh3 tomorrow whenever i get the chance
[09:25] < [anders]> dilema: OpenSSH 3.4p1
[09:25] < [anders]> had that installed for a while now.... :)
[09:25] < dilema> ya but i am fairly new to Nix so installing shit isn't as easy for me ya know
[09:26] < dilema> i always seem to mess it up
[09:27] < [anders]> dilema: you don't happen to be called 'gadge' elsewhere?
[09:27] < dilema> naw why?
[09:27] < [anders]> dilema: I think I know your long lost brother... ;-D
[09:28] < dilema> but gadge was that little kids name in pet semitary
[09:28] < dilema> Umm my long lost brother? is that good or am i making an ass of my self
[09:28] < [anders]> dilema: only joking, ther eis a guy nick'ed gadge here where I work that has the same problems with unix as you do.. ;-)
[09:29] < dilema> it's just installing shit. it's such a difficult task for me. i dunno why
[09:29] < dilema> it's like the Nix Gods don't like my ass
[09:30] < dilema> almost makes me wanna lower my head in shame and jump back on 98
[09:30] < SMP> if you can't stand the heat ..
[09:31] < SMP> *grin*
[09:31] < dilema> c'mon man why ya gotta hate on me
[09:31] < dilema> lol
[09:36] < SMP> hmm
[09:37] < SMP> I think need a 1/2 TB SCSI RAID for my laptop
[09:37] < SMP> but no larger than a box of cigarettes
[09:37] < SMP> ;-}
[09:39] < SMP> oh, the dRock mirror is complete now
[09:39] < SMP> where, rxr...
[09:40] < SMP> s/,/ is/
[09:41] < huebi> SMP: assimilated...?  *g*
[09:42] < SMP> /dev/vghome/lv00      3.9G  3.4G  315M  92% /home
[09:42] < SMP> gee ..
[09:42] < SMP> how small a 20GB drive can be ;-}
[09:44] < [anders]> SMP: get one of those 48GH IBM laptop disks..
[09:44] < [anders]> 48GB 5400rpm disk.. :)
[09:44] < [anders]> (I'll be getting one at some point..
[09:44] < [anders]> )
[09:44] < SMP> with FireWire connector?
[09:44] < huebi> 200 GB on a2.5" drive are possible.
[09:45] < [anders]> SMP: if you get a firewire external case, sure..
[09:45] < [anders]> I was more thinking as an internal disk..
[09:46] < SMP> 20+40 is better than only 40 ;>
[09:47] < [anders]> SMP yeah, so get the new disk and an external FireWire case, copy everything from internal disk to external disk, swap them around and use the 20GB disk as temporary storage.. :)
[09:47] < SMP> I can't even afford any empty case at this point, so...
[09:47] < SMP> ;-()
[09:49] < [anders]> Ah.. Well, I am sort of skint as well after buying this PC.. So I have to wait with the disk for a while now.. Going to put this PC to good use soon.. Build ROCK 1.5.16... :)
[09:49]   SMP wonders when the first 64bit Hammer Laptop will be available ;)
[09:50] < [anders]> SMP: sometime in the not so near future... ;-)
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[09:56] < [anders]> Humma.. just seen the dRock 1.6.0 announcement..
[09:56] < [anders]> might give that a play...
[10:00] < [anders]> SMP: mobile clawhammer should ship (according to AMD roadmap) late 1H03 to early 2H03.. So they are a year away..
[10:08] < huebi> https://www.linux-kongress.org/2002/workshops/ <- We should do that.
[10:09] < [anders]> this is stupid.. IBM is running the ad 'Peace, Love and Linux'.. You guys heard of it?
[10:09] < huebi> [anders]: Jo, I saw it in Mainz.
[10:10] < [anders]> huebi: ok, we are not allowed to use the 'Peace' logo on the posters here in UK, the logo is banned by IBM UK..
[10:10] < huebi> [anders]: Why did they do that?
[10:11] < [anders]> huebi: fsck knows, but the IP lawyers are crawling all over them posters tearing them down..
[10:23]   huebi starting HotJava Browser...
[10:23] < esden> hi all
[10:24] < esden> does anyone of you need want a serial terminal?
[10:24] < huebi> esden: What make and model?
[10:24] < esden> maximal 64 baud
[10:24] < esden> production date 1978
[10:24] < esden> ;-)
[10:24] < huebi> * HotJava Browser started
[10:25] < huebi> hehe
[10:25] < huebi> esden: Manufacturer?
[10:25] < esden> all configuration is made using switches
[10:25] < esden> huebi: siemens
[10:26] < esden> no comment I know ;-)
[10:26] < huebi> ohh, The Browser is still loading ;-))
[10:26] < huebi> esden: No, I don't like the siemens ones.
[10:27] < esden> browser in java that must be very performant
[10:27] < huebi> * still 100% CPU load...
[10:27]   huebi gets a coffee *eg*
[10:27] < esden> huebi: use this browser as a substitute for quake as a benchmark ;-)
[10:27] < huebi> (I should better get a shower..)
[10:28] < huebi> ... or go shoping
[10:28] < esden> huebi: you have time enough now to get a shower and coffee
[10:28] < esden> and shopping
[10:28] < huebi> I could also get the coffee in Costa Rica ...
[10:29] < esden> lool ... true ;-)
[10:29] < huebi> still loading...
[10:29] < esden> get your jet ... and take me with you
[10:30] < esden> please *look_at_huebi_like_a_dog*
[10:31] < huebi> esden: Java now makes some new pictures...
[10:32] < huebi> esden: https://www.linux-kongress.org/2002/workshops/ <- Let them pay?
[10:32] < huebi> * still 100% CPU load...
[10:33]   huebi is deeply impressed how slow commercial software can be....
[10:33] < huebi> ready.
[10:34] < huebi> ready in 10 minutes for the homepage. kool
[10:34] < SMP> . o O ( noone told Huebi yet that HotJava is not meant to be run..? )
[10:35] < esden> SMP: can it be that it is ment to be booted ?
[10:36] < esden> +a
[10:37] < huebi> hmm, IBM designed the Power4 processors to get Java _running_
[10:40] < huebi> Waaaaah. Netra-J installs a dhcpd!
[10:40] < huebi> unasked!
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[10:46] < esden> nasty netra ;-)
[10:46] < thalerim> moin!
[10:46] < esden> hi thalerim
[10:46] < thalerim> huebi!!!!!
[10:46] < thalerim> hi esden
[10:47] < thalerim> huebi: ich weiß, dass du da bist :P 's gibt gute nachrichten
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[10:49] < esden> hi capchaos_
[10:50]   thalerim pieckst mal huebi in seinen Hintern!
[10:50] < esden> thalerim: yes he is here ... but overloaded with java ;-)
[10:50] < esden> thalerim: tztztz ... what do you want with his but ? ;-)
[10:50] < thalerim> but??
[10:51] < esden> butt
[10:51] < [anders]> butt maybe?
[10:51] < esden> hintern
[10:51] < [anders]> *lol*
[10:51] < esden> [anders]: correct ;-)
[10:52] < thalerim> esden: well, if i have been you, i would have kissed it :P
[10:52] < esden> WHAT?
[10:52] < [anders]> my german is still poor, very poor, but getting better with more exposure..
[10:52] < esden> thalerim: what do you think about me ??? !!!
[10:52] < esden> yuk
[10:52]   esden exposing [anders] to german
[10:53] < esden> [anders]: i hope you will not burn through ;-)
[10:53] < thalerim> esden: mh, wait a sec
[10:53] < [anders]> esden: not quite to that level.... ;-)
[10:53] < thalerim> ah fuckit
[10:53] < esden> thalerim: ???
[10:54] < thalerim> actualle you have not to wait I forgot the crash of my HD :-(
[10:54] < thalerim> I've lost what i wanted to show you
[10:55] < huebi> re. Just had a shower ;-))
[10:55] < huebi> moin thalerim
[10:55] < thalerim> heh :-)
[10:55] < thalerim> er hatt noch tastaturen
[10:56] < thalerim> https://www.3m3718.com/modelm.html
[10:56] < thalerim> <---
[10:57] < huebi> *click*
[10:57] < thalerim> huebi: my friend comes right now, we are going to watch a dvd
[10:57] < thalerim> see you later, k?
[10:57] < thalerim> 15euro das stück ;)
[10:57] < huebi> thalerim: ok
[10:57] < thalerim> + versandskosten
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[10:58] < huebi> und die Terminals?
[10:59] < esden> ahh diese tastaturen sind geil
[10:59] < huebi> esden: Jo
[10:59] < esden> ich will so eine haben
[10:59] < esden> ich habe zwar schon eine aber ich will mehr !!!
[11:00] < esden> ich will dass tastaturen solcher art an jedem meiner rechner hengen
[11:00] < esden> scheisse wocher soll ich 15 eur + versandkosten herbekommen *heul*
[11:01] < huebi> esden: I used to use IBM ones till I got the ones from SGI.
[11:02] < esden> are they better ?
[11:04] < huebi> esden: they are as heavy as the IBMs, have also a very good keymechanism design and have a US keymapping.
[11:04] < huebi> mom
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[11:07] < huebi> esden: I cant find a picture.
[11:12] < huebi> booting HotJava...
[11:17] < [anders]> huebi: you never let on before you were in to masochism...? :);-)
[11:19] < huebi> [anders]: hehe
[11:19] < huebi> [anders]: no, I just want to find out how the firmware update of the Krups is made.
[11:22] < huebi> 20 or 25 MHz Sparc CPU and 64MB RAM and HotJava... If you want to kill much time...
[11:24] < [anders]> huebi: like a day or two?
[11:25] < huebi> [anders]: at least. I would better speak of weeks or so..
[11:40] < SMP> huebi: uhm
[11:40] < huebi> SMP: ? ;-)
[11:41] < SMP> huebi: all I did was take SUNWjsosl/root/opt/SUNWjsos/javaos/JSIIep/javaos and boot the Krups with it
[11:41] < SMP> no need to install all that Netra j-unk
[11:43] < huebi> SMP: Thank you. There are posibly some OBP updates avaliable. I search for them.
[12:19] < esden> huebi: np
[12:20] < huebi> 1 esden = 72min, hehe
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[12:21] < holyolli> moin
[12:22] < huebi> moin holyolli
[12:22] < holyolli> huhu huebi :)
[12:25] < holyolli> huebi: ich hab mir heut morgen leider den aktuellen build von rock-alpha geschossen - ich kann dir also nur die rockcd vom linuxtag mitbringen
[12:27] < huebi> holyolli: Is ok. ;-))
[12:44] < [anders]> re holyolli
[12:45] < holyolli> hi anders
[12:51] < fake> mornin
[12:51] < holyolli> moin fake
[12:57] < esden> huebi: good roundtrip what ?
[12:57] < esden> hi holyolli
[12:57] < holyolli> hi esden
[12:58] < huebi> esden: T-Offline has often such lags  *eg*
[12:58] < huebi> hi fake
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[13:05] < th> nvidia 1.0-2960 is out since 5/23/2002
[13:08] < esden> huebi: yes I know
[13:08] < huebi> it seams to get better...
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[13:21] < bluefire> Hi
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[13:24] < huebi> hi bluefire
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[14:06] < thalerim> re
[14:06] < huebi> hi thalerim
[14:07] < thalerim> is der preis in ordnung ?
[14:08] < huebi> jo, schaetze ich schon. Ich benutze aber meine alten Tastaturen von SGI. Die gefallen mir noch besser als dievon IBM
[14:09] < fake> *chihi* SGI rulez.
[14:09] < thalerim> ich kann dir ja mal die e-mail adresse von dem typen geben
[14:09] < thalerim> oder keine interesse mehr?
[14:10] < huebi> thalerim:jo, mach das. Ein Freund koennte noch Interesse haben. Ich leite das dann weiter..
[14:10] < thalerim> ok, mom
[14:15] < thalerim> huebi: ich hab noch grad kurz ne mail geschrieben; warte grad auf rückmeldung
[14:16] < huebi> thalerim: ok ;-)
[14:22]   th is currently testing nvidia 1.0-2960
[14:23] < thalerim> does anyone know which key SysRq  should be ?
[14:23] < huebi> thalerim: jo
[14:24] < thalerim> welcher?
[14:24] < huebi> sysrq = Druck / SYstemabfrage
[14:24] < huebi> links neben rollen
[14:25] < thalerim> ach systemabfrage!
[14:25] < thalerim> danke, damit kann ich was anfangen ;)
[14:26] < SMP> SysAbf. rules ;)
[14:27] < huebi> SMP: ACK
[14:27] < SMP> the Linux Kernel must be about the only piece of software actualle useing it ;)
[14:28] < fake> SMP: I just wanted to ask... what was it intended for?
[14:28] < fake> must be from XT times
[14:28] < huebi> ctrl-alt-sysrq + :
[14:28] < thalerim> https://www.cbbrowne.com/info/linuxkernel.html
[14:28] < huebi> s = sync
[14:28] < thalerim> search for "Kernel Key Sequences"
[14:28] < SMP> well maybe in the 80s there were more programs that used it..
[14:28] < huebi> u = unmount
[14:29] < fake> like GW-BASIC ? ;-)
[14:29] < huebi> b = reboot
[14:29] < SMP> fake: well. what was the ESC key intended for?
[14:29] < SMP> fake: ;->
[14:30] < SMP> just hit C-A-SysReq Space to get a short help
[14:30] < huebi> fake: On applications on mainframes SysRq was very common.
[14:30] < SMP> jup
[14:30] < fake> or C-A-SysReg-H
[14:30] < fake> Online Help ;-)
[14:30] < thalerim> :P
[14:31] < fake> huebi: why is it on low-end-pc-keyboards then?
[14:32]   fake having a cigarette - finally done with that XML _CRAP_
[14:36] < huebi> fake: it could be there to use it with a terminal emulation.
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[14:44] < huebi> moin snyke
[14:44] < snyke> moin
[14:44] < WKaibigan> Is there anywhere I can download the XFree file from for the 1.5.16 installation CD? The file on the CD is corrupt :-(
[14:44] < huebi> WKaibigan: mom
[14:45] < WKaibigan> mom?
[14:45] < huebi> One moment please... ;-)
[14:45] < snyke> :)
[14:45] < WKaibigan> Oh. Ok.
[14:46] < fake> *argh*
[14:46] < huebi> WKaibigan: Which CPU?
[14:46] < fake> why could it be that my LAMP is lagging from time to time?
[14:46] < WKaibigan> 586
[14:46] < WKaibigan> AMD K6 2
[14:47] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/xfree86.tar.bz2
[14:48] < WKaibigan> Thanks huebi.
[14:48] < huebi> WKaibigan: happy leechin' It 128KBit
[14:48] < huebi> +s
[14:48] < WKaibigan> 56k download yet again. Still has to be done I guess.
[14:49] < huebi> WKaibigan: have you checked the md5sum?
[14:49] < WKaibigan> Of the file or the CD?
[14:50] < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/md5sums <- md5cksumfile
[14:50] < thalerim> of the file on cd
[14:50] < huebi> thalerim: I mean the whole cd
[14:50] < huebi> normally just the cd is br0ken
[14:50] < WKaibigan> Tried using a checker for Windows and couldn't get it to work.
[14:50] < thalerim> you own Mathilda (other words for "you're the boss") ;P
[14:51] < huebi> thalerim: MuH!
[14:51] < huebi> hehe
[14:51] < esden> huebi: Muhuhuhuahaha!!!
[14:51] < thalerim> eheheeh!!
[14:51] < thalerim> huebi is becoming a shizo!
[14:51] < thalerim> schizo :P
[14:52] < huebi> thalerim: I started to build ROCK Linux because my 1.4.0 CD was broken and unreadable after 2-3 installations. There were no ISOs avaliable.
[14:53] < thalerim> *???*
[14:53] < thalerim> what are you talking about?
[14:53] < huebi> thalerim: about broken CD's ;-))
[14:53] < thalerim> und du willst mir grad nen schunk aus deinem leben erzählen?
[14:54] < thalerim> (does not know what Schunk means in english)
[14:54] < thalerim> actually the whole phrase
[14:55] < huebi> 14:51 < esden> huebi: Muhuhuhuahaha!!!
[14:55] < huebi> here comes Mathilda:
[14:56] < SMP> *sigh*
[14:56] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/bse-wahnsinn.mp3
[14:56] < thalerim> -lilo`- [GlobalNotice] Hi all.  Due to hubbing problems we're going to need to do some major rehubbing.  Several main rotation servers, and we'll start pretty quickly.  Please bear with us.
[14:56] < huebi> SMP: schon gut ;-))
[14:56] < thalerim> what's up with OPN ?
[14:57] < SMP> as usual
[14:57] < thalerim> what's usual?
[14:57] < SMP> having problems and solving them.
[14:57] < SMP> by rehubbing / rerouting
[14:58] < WKaibigan> Just checked the CD and it failed the md5 test.
[14:59] < SMP> hmm
[14:59] < SMP> why am I on a server in Texas, USA...
[14:59] < huebi> WKaibigan: and the ISO Image?
[14:59] < WKaibigan> That was the ISO image. Sorry.
[15:00] < SMP> . o O ( a host is a host from coast to coast - and noone will talk to a host that's close - unless the host -that isn't close - is busy, hung or dead )
[15:00] < huebi> can you copy all files except Xfree.tar.bz to disk?
[15:01] < WKaibigan> Yeah, it is only XFree that had a problem.
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[15:02] < thalerim> neat work!
[15:03] < huebi> cu later...
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[15:04] < thalerim> *grin*
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[15:05] < SMP_> what the hell
[15:05] < [anders]> SMP_: they are jigging the rotation hubs..
[15:06] < [anders]> netsplits galore..
[15:06] -!- SMP_ is now known as SMP
[15:07] < thalerim> KDE 3.0.2 has been released
[15:08] < thalerim> May i ask why the following stands on the webpage if 1.5.16 is out?
[15:08] < thalerim> ROCK Linux Release:
[15:08] < thalerim>   1.4.0 (stable) / 1.5.12 (devel)
[15:08] < th> thalerim: because it's out of sync ;)
[15:09] < thalerim> you mean it's only on huebi's private PC ?
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[15:09] < th> thalerim: no it's at cvs.rocklinux.de and download.rocklinux.de
[15:10] < thalerim> but why not on the official page?
[15:10] < SMP> because Clifford is currently away
[15:10] < thalerim> i see
[15:10] < th> SMP: i don't think so
[15:11] < th> SMP: he is not away since release of 1.5.13, is he?
[15:11] < Mike1> re Hi
[15:11] < thalerim> moin Mikel
[15:11] < SMP> th: true.
[15:11] < Mike1> moin thalerim
[15:14] < th> SMP: what's true? ;)
[15:14] < fake> *argh* our net is fscked
[15:14] < th> he's away that long
[15:14] < fake> 20% packet loss
[15:14] < SMP> that there is something wrong with Cliffords 1.5 announcements (which don't happen)
[15:15] < SMP> my bets are, he wants 1.6.0 out. yesterday.
[15:15] < SMP> and rightly so. IMHO
[15:15] < WKaibigan> mod
[15:16] < th> i see
[15:17] < fake> SMP: it is right to finish the things you have started before you wander off to new things. agreed.
[15:17] < SMP> th: btw. if you look at the 'News' box you will see that Clifford _did_ announce 1.5.15 there
[15:18] < thalerim> yes
[15:18] < [anders]> didn't rxr announce dRock 1.6.0 v. recently?
[15:18] < Mike1> [anders]: yesterday
[15:18] < [anders]> Mike1: so I wasn't dreaming then.. :)
[15:19] < [anders]> Let me guess, ROCK 1.6.0 != dRock 1.6.0
[15:19] < SMP> well I think 1.5 has a problem getting to a point where it can be declared stable. there is endless hacking going on (which is good!) - just that does not lead to a stable release.
[15:19] < Mike1> [anders]: yes !=
[15:19] < thalerim> SMP: but i'd recommend a simple system offering the maintainers a possiblity to announce the things they manage themselves
[15:19] < th> i think cliff should get the version on the main-page by something like wget -q -O - https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/VERSION
[15:19] < SMP> you have to draw a line somewhere. and line should have been drawn 3 months ago for 1.5
[15:19] < SMP> but that's just IMHO and I'm not in charge of it.
[15:20] < SMP> and introducing Gnome 2 is certainly far beyond that line.
[15:21] < SMP> ROCK did not have a glibc 2.2 based release with Gnome 1.4
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[15:33] < esden> cu all
[15:33] < rxr> SMP: jups Gnome2 is not a candidate for 1.6! It does not compile 100% in 1.7 and much other apps are not Gnome2 ready ...
[15:35] < SMP> rxr! oh there he is finally
[15:36] < rxr> SMP: why finally? I was here the last days from time to time ...
[15:37] < SMP> rxr: I've mirrored dROCK 1.6.0 at (http|ftp)://download.rocklinux.de/dRock/stable/1.6.0
[15:37] < SMP> rxr: feel free to send me any traffic for now. we can see how much it is
[15:38] < SMP> rxr: since you have an account you can also take care of the /dRock tree by yourself if you want anything added etc.
[15:43] < rxr> SMP oh thanks!
[15:43] < rxr> I started some script to rsync mirrors from a cron-job today ... - so I can add the rocklinux.de server ...
[15:44] < rxr> how much traffic does ROCK Linux has in your net ?
[15:45] < SMP> 40GB last month
[15:46] < SMP> that's ok. we're underbooked.
[15:46] < SMP> unfortunately
[15:47]   fake setting up SS20/Linux
[15:58] < th> possible to give a $1 if i pipe something to sh?
[15:59] < SMP> depends on the context :))
[15:59] < th> cat script.sh | sh
[16:00] < WKaibigan> Do I have to do anything to make an eth0 device as I keep getting a device doesn't exist error?
[16:00] < th> i want to:
[16:00] < SMP> if you want $1 == script.sh, then no
[16:00] < th> sudo ./foo.sh arg1
[16:00] < th> but it's root-squashed nfs
[16:00] < th> so sudo ./foo.sh fails
[16:00] < th> because root can't read the file
[16:00] < th> cat foo.sh | sudo sh woudl succeed
[16:01] < th> but that lacks argument
[16:01] < SMP> WKaibigan: and you do what when you get the error?
[16:01] < WKaibigan> Boot the machine.
[16:02] < WKaibigan> I have alias eth0 tulip setup in modules.conf and have tried insmod tulip and yet when I boot the machine it can never find eth0.
[16:02] < th> i want $1 == arg1, SMP
[16:07] < SMP> I don't think that's possible
[16:08] < SMP> the shell will try to interpret it as a filename to execute
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[16:08] < SMP> hehe
[16:08] < Mike1> yo uninvited
[16:08] < SMP> echo 'echo $1' | sh /dev/stdin foo
[16:08] < SMP> ;-}
[16:08] < uninvited> ...*flash*...rocklinux ppl hello !
[16:08] < uninvited> hiya mike1
[16:08] < WKaibigan> root
[16:10] < fake> hi uninvited !
[16:12] < uninvited> fake> still no news on the ps2 front...
[16:16] < th> SMP: cat isdn-man.sh | + sh /dev/stdin connect
[16:16] < th> SMP: good idea thanks
[16:17] < fake> uninvited: :(
[16:17] < SMP> th: alias +=sudo ?
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[16:19] < uninvited> Hmmmm, is dROCK worth to download ???
[16:20] < th> SMP: jo
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[16:29] < Mike1> be back later
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[16:30] < SMP> rxr: are you still here?
[16:30] < SMP> $ md5sum -c drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-1.iso.md5
[16:30] < SMP> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-1.iso: FAILED
[16:30] < SMP> $ md5sum -c drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-2.iso.md5
[16:30] < SMP> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-2.iso: FAILED
[16:30] < SMP> $ md5sum -c drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso.md5
[16:30] < SMP> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso: OK
[16:57] < huebi> re
[16:59] < fake> re huebi
[17:00] < huebi> hi fake
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[17:25] < WKaibigan> eth0: unknown interface: No such device ??? Why won't it find  eth0?
[17:26] < SMP> check dmesg
[17:28] < SMP> or rather /var/log/messages for that modprobe says
[17:28] < fake> SMP: did you ever try to change the FB depth on the Krups?
[17:28] < SMP> no.
[17:28] < fake> it's weird... fbset doesn't complain, but the mode isn't changed.
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[17:29] < WKaibigan> nothing there
[17:29] < fake> I'm currently setting up my sparc-compile-machine at work
[17:29] < WKaibigan> Is there supposed to be an insmod procedure during boot somewhere?
[17:29] < fake> Dual-SuperSparcII
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[17:31] < huebi> WKaibigan: /etc/conf/kernel
[17:33] < WKaibigan> Just put modprobe tulip into the kernel file and rebooting. Will see if that works.
[17:34] < WKaibigan> You are a star huebi. Thanks.
[17:34] < SMP> autoloading should work though
[17:35] < huebi> SMP: How?
[17:35] < SMP> what does '/sbin/sysctl kernel.modprobe' print?
[17:35] < SMP> huebi: by defining an alias in modules.conf
[17:36] < th> error: 'kernel.modprobe' is an unknown key
[17:36] < SMP> and CONFIG_KMOD of course
[17:36] < huebi> Yes, of course ;-))
[17:36] < WKaibigan> I put an alias in modules.conf and that didn't work.
[17:36] < SMP> WKaibigan: what does '/sbin/sysctl kernel.modprobe' print?
[17:36] < huebi> kernel.modprobe = /sbin/modprobe
[17:37] < WKaibigan> Unknown key here for me as well.
[17:37] < SMP> well
[17:37] < SMP> you forgot to enable CONFIG_KMOD for your kernel
[17:37] < SMP> did you build it yourself?
[17:37] < WKaibigan> It is just the kernel that was installed from the CD
[17:37] < SMP> then it's bug.
[17:38] < SMP> 1.5.16?
[17:38] < WKaibigan> Yep
[17:38] < SMP> huebi: it's a bug.
[17:38] < SMP> ;)
[17:39] < huebi> This bug will be fixed soon. There are more of these bugs for alpha and sparc64
[17:39] < SMP> hmm
[17:39] < huebi> on alpha the kernel doesn't even boot.
[17:39] < SMP> anyone want a Sun Ray 1 for 299,- ¤?
[17:39] < huebi> It's not that easy because I don't understand the code fully.
[17:40] < SMP> oh, that one is cheap:
[17:40] < SMP> Sun Ultra60 360MHz, 256MB, 9GB, Diskette, CD-ROM, Tape 12/24,C3D, 21"
[17:40] < SMP> Monitor, Solaris
[17:40] < SMP> EUR 1.900,-
[17:40] < huebi> SMP: No, the Krups is my favorite choice. Or Does it boot linux?
[17:40] < WKaibigan> Is CONFIG_KMOD the Kernel module loader entry in Loadable module support?
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[17:40] < Mike1> re
[17:41] < SMP> WKaibigan: press '?'
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[18:03] < fake> ncpus probed: 2
[18:03] < fake> ncpus active: 1
[18:04] < fake> how can i change that?
[18:04] < huebi> fake: get rid of the 2nd one *eg*
[18:04] < fake> :P
[18:04] < fake> ugh. 2.2.19 no-SMP kernel
[18:05] < huebi> fake: Use your software support contract and bug the SUN hotline :P
[18:05] < fake> huebi: what is a hotline?
[18:05] < fake> ;-)
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[18:09] < huebi> fake: if you need somebody to tell your boss "It's not my fault. It's <hotline contractor's> fault." That's a hotline.
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[18:14] < fake> aw you mean an azubi! ;-))
[18:16] < fake> hm... there _is_ support for SUN SMP machines, right?
[18:17] < huebi> fake: That's the cheap version. But after a while everybody starts loughing about the boss. So if he spends more money for e.g a support contract nobody earning less money than the support cost does not even think about loughing to not to be fired.
[18:18] < fake> then we are a cheap company
[18:19] < huebi> fake: "Please open a call and we can answer your question if you can get SMP support"
[18:19] < huebi> hehe
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[18:20] < bluefire> re
[18:20] < huebi> re bluefire
[18:24] < fake> teh sparc kernel hast _stupid_ defaults...
[18:24] < fake> Amige FS support ...
[18:25] < huebi> fojo
[18:25] < huebi> fake: jo
[18:26] < fake> is there a minial replacement for the XFree X-Server that's capable of the X Protocol (e.g. can handle X-Forwarding)
[18:27] < fake> i assumed microwindows, but that's not compatible
[18:28] < fake> KDrive
[18:28] < fake> https://www.pps.jussieu.fr/~jch/software/kdrive.html
[18:29] < fake> compiles into less than 700 KB
[18:31] < fake> oh, SMP, th: i know why gpm oopses()
[18:32] < fake> gmp tries to acces /dev/misc/psaux, which is calles ps2aux
[18:32] < fake> s,gmp,gpm,
[18:37] < fake> it's also called Tiny-X and ships with the XFree86 4 source ... o_O
[18:39] < fake> it's always nice to notice how much i don't know
[18:40]   fake Silke Bischoff - Hold Me
[18:45] < huebi> rxr: Ping...
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[18:52] < esden> re hi all
[18:52] < huebi> hi esden
[18:53] < fake> re esden
[18:53] < esden> wee ;-)
[18:53] < fake> esden: kompiliert X mit der dietlibc? *fg*
[18:53]   esden feels like on drugs ;-)
[18:54] < esden> fake: nein
[18:54] < fake> warum nicht?
[18:54] < esden> weiss ich nicht ... ich habe es nicht ausprobiert aber nach aussage von fefe geht es nicht
[18:54] < esden> ich werde es irgendwann ausprobieren
[18:54] < fake> schade. dann eben uClibc
[19:01] < esden> ja sieht so aus
[19:01] < esden> ;-)
[19:03] < fake> uClibc mailinglists: "I have compiled XFree 4.2 (kdrive/tinyX) without source code modifications."
[19:05] < esden> sounds good
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[19:13] < fake> https://www.tuxscreen.net/wiki/view/BuildingTinyXByHand
[19:14] < fake> wikiwiki *arghl*
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[19:39] < esden> ok bdb fixed
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[20:01] < owl> hi
[20:02] < th> fake: ping?
[20:03] < fake> *pong*
[20:03]   fake now has to penguins with a sun on his ss20 ;-)
[20:06] < th> fake: how did you do the 75Hz?
[20:07] < fake> th: fbset -fb /dev/fb/0 told me it is running at 75 Hz.
[20:07] < th> fake: you did not change anything?
[20:07] < fake> or do you mean X ?
[20:07] < th> fake: no
[20:07] < fake> th: no
[20:07] < th> grmpf
[20:08] < th> fake: have you set any jumpers?
[20:08] < fake> th: which proll version do you use?
[20:08] < th> 15
[20:08] < fake> th: nope
[20:08] < th> but same with 16
[20:08] < fake> hm...
[20:08] < th> just 60Hz
[20:08] < fake> *urgh*
[20:11]   fake faehrt hei,
[20:11] < fake> heim
[20:11] < fake> bis gleich
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[20:35] < fake> sodale.
[20:35] < fake> re.
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[20:49] < fake> SMP: regarding the audio thing, i think i just found something
[20:49] < fake> SMP: the kernel assumes that your system only uses PCI/EBUS if you are on a 64 bit arch
[20:49] < fake> e.g. sparc64
[20:50] < fake> thus it tries to build for sbus on the Krups
[20:55] < uninvited> hmmm, wiki destroys my believing in good & evil scheme...
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[20:58] < uninvited> *LOL*
[20:58] < uninvited> *ROTFL*
[20:58] < uninvited> This is most ridiculous:
[20:59] < uninvited> LINK: https://sourceforge.net/projects/hausima/
[21:04] < blindcoder> that's not ridiculous, that's cool :D
[21:04] < uninvited> you won t say ????
[21:04] < uninvited> ...distributing homework over the internet ?...
[21:04] < uninvited> OMG
[21:05] < snyke> ql
[21:05] < snyke> :)
[21:05] < snyke> uninvited: how would you distribute your homework?
[21:06] < snyke> by hand?
[21:06] < snyke> old-fashioned!
[21:06] < snyke> :)
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[21:25] < SMP> fake: I disagree
[21:26] < fake> SMP: aha?
[21:26] < SMP> fake: ebus support was there when I looked at cs4231.i
[21:27] < fake> SMP: i was looking at 2.4.19-rc1 but that shouldn't have changed...
[21:27] < fake> in the header it says
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[21:27] < thalerim> re
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[21:27] < tsa> tag
[21:27] < fake> .... (compile running) something about "If this is not an UltraSparc there is no need for EBUS"
[21:27] < thalerim> re tsa
[21:27] < SMP> besides, many other drivers _do_ work with ebus on arch = sparc
[21:27] < tsa> hi thalerim
[21:28] < fake> SMP: i will first try alsa, anyways.
[21:29] < fake> SMP: was just a guess. nevermind...
[21:30] < fake> i thought ebus is only UltraSparc because only USparc >= 5 are PCI?
[21:31]   fake does not know much about sun hardware
[21:31] < esden> does anyone know what TOFU means ?
[21:32] < esden> sorry for this stupid question
[21:32] < SMP> Text Oben Fullquote Unten
[21:32] < thalerim> argh
[21:32] < esden> SMP: danke
[21:32] < thalerim> da kam mal weider jemand vor mir
[21:33] < thalerim> esden: https://learn.to/quote <-- :-)
[21:33] < thalerim> beschreibt das sehr gut!
[21:33] < SMP> fake: ebus support depends on EB4231_SUPPORT, which depends only on CONFIG_PCI. of course, you must enable that in the kernel config
[21:34] < fake> i did.
[21:35] < fake> SMP: what is init/do_mount.c all about?
[21:35] < fake> s,mount,mounts,
[21:37] < SMP> <0>stefanp@beans[linux](600)$ find . -name do_mounts.c
[21:37] < SMP> <0>stefanp@beans[linux](601)$
[21:37] < fake> ugh.
[21:37] < SMP> what funny tree are you looking at?
[21:37] < esden> thalerim: thanks
[21:37] < fake> SMP: 2.4.19-rc1
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[21:39] < thalerim> re anders
[21:39] < [anders]> re thalerim
[21:39] < [anders]> night night all... :)
[21:39] < SMP> fake: ah, it's new in 2.4.19
[21:40] < SMP> fake: backport from 2.5, it seems. I don't know anything about it
[21:40] < tsa> hm..
[21:40]   tsa rebuilding kernel.
[21:41] < fake> SMP: strange.. i first built with -j2 and there he complained. no i built with just "make vmlinux" and now he complains about something completely different (ramdisk needing floppy support o_O)
[21:41] < fake> s,no ,now ,
[21:42]   fake building again...
[21:43] < fake> aw, and i think i now know why i couldn't switch the fb to 16bit
[21:43] < fake> under "low level options" only 8 bit is activated by default
[21:43] < fake> (Maybe someone thought aplletalk is more important than 16bit FB ;-)
[21:45] < fake> now it worked.
[21:47] < fake> SMP: how comes the kernel is so much smaller after elftoaout?
[21:51] < fake> brb - kernel testen ;-)
[21:52] < tsa> bbl.
[21:52] < tsa> dito ;)
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[21:54] < fake> shit. NFSROOT vergessen >_<
[21:56] < SMP> a.out is rather simple and efficient. but much less powerful.
[21:58]   fake switching his system to a.out. ;-))
[22:00] < SMP> don't you know that until -uhm- '94 or so (really don't know exactly) a.out was indeed used exclusively on linux?
[22:00] < fake> i know. i bought slackware in 95 which was still a.out
[22:00] < thalerim> reconnect, brb
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[22:00] < SMP> a.out doesn't really do shared libs, though
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[22:01] < fake> yeah. there were lots of problems with mixed a.out/ELF systems IIRC
[22:02] < thalerim> re
[22:03] < fake> but i didn't care. the only thing i used linux for back then was for playing a futuristic text adventure which's name i have forgotten. maybe one day i'll dig out the CD's and install it again ;))
[22:06] < fake> okay. now again _with_ nfsroot... brb...
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[22:10] < fake> hm :-/
[22:10] < fake> i still can't switch to 16 bit :-/
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[22:13] < tsa> re
[22:13] < thalerim> tsa: uname -a !
[22:13] < tsa> 2.4.18 ...weiterhin..
[22:14] < tsa> mir fehlten bloss ein paar optionen, die dhcp unbedingt haben wollte..
[22:14]   tsa hat sich neuen drucker gekauft und ist am basteln..
[22:15] < fake> tsa: was fuer einen?
[22:15] < tsa> fake: hp laserjet 1200n
[22:15] < fake> nobel!
[22:15] < tsa> klein, aber spricht postscript und ist netzwerktauglich..
[22:16] < tsa> deswegen auch dhcp..
[22:16] < fake> sw33t!
[22:16] < tsa> jupp..
[22:16] < th> tsa: kannst du mal nvidia auf 2960 updaten?
[22:17] < th> tsa: habs vorhin getestet is nur ein s/2880/2960/ und cksum anpasen
[22:17] < fake> haben dene ihre versionsnummern irgendeinen tieferen sinn?
[22:17] < tsa> th: huh? auf sf cvs ist die version aktuell..
[22:18] < tsa> oder meinst du den tree auf cvs.rocklinux.de ?
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[22:20] < th> tsa: ich hatte doch vorhin bei sf geguckt? grmpf
[22:21] < th> tsa: ahh ich war nur nicht mehr up to date was die sf trees angeht
[22:22] < tsa> hehe
[22:22] < th> dann muss ich das wohl in cvs.rocklinux.de auch mal machen
[22:22] < tsa> schon in arbeit..
[22:22] < fake> hehe. jetz compile ich den FB einfach ohne 8bit support. mal sehen was er davon haelt *g*
[22:22] < th> danke
[22:23] < th> fake: lol
[22:23] < th> fake: kann man den auch ohne 60Hz support compilen?
[22:23] < fake> th: und bist du nicht willig.... ;-)
[22:23] < fake> *lol*
[22:24] < fake> *nochsonenspruchvonsichgeb* o_O ?
[22:24] < fake> BEISS MICH!
[22:25] < thalerim> provoziere es nicht!
[22:26] < fake> nicht du :(
[22:26] < fake> ;)
[22:26] < fake> brb... jetzt aber mit 16bit ;-)
[22:26] < thalerim> (ha! wer's glaubt wird seelig :P)
[22:26] < tsa> cvs commit: [22:26:42] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/nvidia
[22:26] < tsa> *wart*
[22:28] < tsa> GRRR.
[22:28] < tsa> ich will nen lock.
[22:29] < fake> shit.
[22:30] < fake> th: das war ne doofe idee. jetzt bleibt er bei dem schoenen "c[] JavaStation" stehen -> FB wird gar nicht initialisiert
[22:30] < fake> mal sehen..
[22:31] < tsa> hm....
[22:32] < tsa> th: ich krieg kein cvs-lock auf world....
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[22:41] < [anders]> (not here, watching tv then going bed.) Going to try and build dRock 1.6.0 once everything has downloaded.. Will let you guys know how fast it is on the Shuttle box.. :)
[22:41] < thalerim> have fun
[22:42] < [anders]> thalerim: Oh, I will.. :)
[22:42] < fake> th: i think i have it
[22:42] < fake> th: it boots with the initial value it gets by the OBP
[22:42] < fake> and that is 8
[22:42] < fake> *testing*
[22:53] < fake> *urgh*
[22:53] < fake> now i _get_ 16 bit.
[22:53] < fake> but...
[22:54] < fake> every char is of a 1cm size.
[22:56] < tsa> fein.
[22:56] < tsa> es druckt.
[22:57] < owl> nice. for users who forgot to forgot to use their glases :P
[22:59] < fake> and are only interested in one quarter of the screen. woho.
[23:00] < owl> hehe :) who needs more than one quarter of the screen? ;) noone.
[23:06] < fake> hm...
[23:15] < huebi> re
[23:19] < th> tsa: kein lock?
[23:20] < fake> hm...
[23:20] < tsa> th:
[23:20] < tsa> cvs co
[23:20] < tsa> dann aendern.
[23:20] < tsa> cvs commit
[23:20] < tsa> dann krieg ich nur nen
[23:20] < tsa> cvs commit: [23:20:30] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/nvidia
[23:21] < tsa> sonst nix.
[23:21] < th> mompl
[23:21] < tsa> CVSROOT="/home/rockcvs/cvs"
[23:21] < th> drwxrwsr-x   2 tsa      rockcvsu     1024 Jul  3 22:24 #cvs.lock
[23:21] < th> -rw-rw-r--   1 tsa      rockcvsu        0 Jul  3 22:24 #cvs.wfl.world.27766
[23:22] < th> you ARE locking it
[23:22] < tsa> hm....
[23:22] < th> is there another commit running?
[23:22] < tsa> warum kann ich es dann nicht committen?
[23:22] < tsa> noe, sieht nicht so aus..
[23:22] < th> loesch das mal manuel
[23:22] < tsa> zumindest nicht von mir.
[23:22] < th> /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/nvidia
[23:22] < th> da muss irgendwie ein commit oder aehnlich abgeschmiert sein von dir
[23:24] < th> tsa: nich auf world committen
[23:24] < th> sondern da loeschen ;)
[23:24] < tsa> jo, nu klappts.
[23:24] < tsa> danke.
[23:25] < tsa> nu is das update auf 1.0-2960 auch drin..
[23:25] < th> Build-Index gemacht?
[23:27] < th> cvs server: [23:26:57] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/kdepim
[23:28] < tsa> removed.
[23:28] < tsa> und Build-Index hatte ich auch vergessen..
[23:29] < th> warum  bleiben die bei dir haengen?
[23:29] < tsa> keine ahnung..
[23:29] < th> cvs server: [23:28:57] obtained lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/kdepim
[23:29] < th> cvs server: Updating ext-config/kdesdk
[23:29] < th> cvs server: [23:28:57] waiting for tsa's lock in /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/ext-config/kdesdk
[23:29] < tsa> oh-oh
[23:30] < tsa> mom..
[23:30] < th> jo das ging
[23:31] < tsa> so..sollte jetzt ok sein - keine ahnung, warum da was haengen geblieben war..
[23:31] < tsa> (ich hatte so ziemlich alles gelockt)
[23:31] < huebi> wann muss denn Build-Index gemacht werden?
[23:31] < tsa> huebi: moin erstmal.
[23:31] < tsa> ..und ich habe keine ahnung.
[23:32] < huebi> moin tsa ;-)
[23:33] < th> huebi: bei jeder aenderung in {ext,base}-config
[23:33] < fake> huebi: hast du lust igafb.c auf modedb umzuschreiben?
[23:34] < huebi> fake: Bei einem 60 Stundentag gerne ;>
[23:35] < huebi> th: also genauer wen sich ein Eintrag in einem .pz aendern wuerde?
[23:35] < fake> huebi: modprobe ctime
[23:35] < tsa> huebi: ein tag = 24h; laenge(tag)=laenge(nacht); also kriegst du mit einem tag und einer nacht schon 48h hin...
[23:35] < tsa> ist doch nen gute anfang.. ;-)
[23:35] < tsa> s,gute,guter,
[23:35] < huebi> tsa: hmmm....
[23:36] < huebi> Isch waas ja net...
[23:36] < tsa> hehe
[23:38] < th> huebi: wenn sich die cksum eines files unter {base,ext}-config  aendert
[23:38] < huebi> th: ok danke
[23:39] < huebi> Mann! Jetzt arbeite ich schon nicht mehr und der Stress nimmt immer noch kein Ende....
[23:39] < huebi> Ich vergesse immer noch so viel..
[23:39] < thalerim> wirst eben alt
[23:39] < thalerim> :P
[23:40] < huebi> thalerim: :P
[23:40] < th> ich suche die bezeichnung fuer das pci-device 10de:0250
[23:40] < th> nvidia grafik-karte)
[23:40] < huebi> th: da muss es eine Datenbank im Kernel geben..
[23:40] < SMP> CONFIG_PCI_NAMES ist an?
[23:41] < tsa> huebi: jo - "unbreakable" oracle bestimt ;-)
[23:41] < th> hab im 2.4.18er gereppt. aber hab wohl was im web gefunden
[23:41] < huebi> o_O  Booting Oracle. Pleas wait...
[23:42] < huebi> +e
[23:42] < th> https://pciids.sourceforge.net/iii/?i=10de rockt
[23:42] < tsa> hehe
[23:43] < SMP> scheint im kernel noch nicht drin zu sein?
[23:43] < th> SMP: vllt hab ich ein wenig ungeschickt gegreppt
[23:44] < th> #define PCI_VENDOR_ID_NVIDIA            0x10de
[23:44] < SMP> im 2.4.16 devlist.c ist's jedenfalls nicht drin
[23:44] < th> include/linux/pci_ids.h
[23:44] < th> 0x0203 is der letzte eintrag
[23:44] < th> (2.4.18)
[23:45] < fake> igafb.c can _never_ run any mode other than 8 bit.
[23:45] < th> fake: what about the frequencies?
[23:45] < fake> the definitions are there, but no modes are supported.
[23:45] < fake> th: there are 3 modes
[23:45] < fake> 640x480 on non-sparc
[23:45] < th> grmpf
[23:46] < fake> and on sparc it's alway 1024x768 at 75Hz
[23:46] < th> NAK NAK NAK
[23:46] < fake> or 1192xsomething, but that can't happen
[23:46] < fake> th: drivers/video/igafb.c
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[23:46] < Ge0rG> hi
[23:46] < fake> 640x480@60Hz
[23:47] < th> 23:45:34 < fake> th: there are 3 modes
[23:47] < th> 23:45:43 < fake> 640x480 on non-sparc
[23:47] < huebi> moin Ge0rG
[23:47] < th> 23:46:02 < fake> and on sparc it's alway 1024x768 at 75Hz
[23:47] < th> 23:46:12 < th> NAK NAK NAK
[23:47] < th> 23:46:18 < fake> or 1192xsomething, but that can't happen
[23:47] < fake> 1024x768@75Hz
[23:47] < fake> or
[23:47] < fake> 1152x900@76Hz
[23:47] < huebi> 1280*1024?
[23:47] < th> fbset told me something about 1024x768-75 but the monitor says 60Hz
[23:47] < fake> ... or 1280x1024@75Hz
[23:48] < fake> this is taken over by the prom, with 1024x768 as default
[23:48] < fake> how can i change that in the prom?
[23:48] < fake> (jumper?)
[23:49] < fake> th: I'm pretty sure mine is not running at 60Hz...
[23:49] < Ge0rG> in the proll sources there's not much about gfx init
[23:49] < th> fake: you asked your monitor?
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[23:49] < fake> th: i asked fbset, X and my eyes
[23:50] < fake> (and the kernel source)
[23:50] < th> fake: i asked my monitor and my ears
[23:50] < fake> Ge0rG: indeed. only a few lines in krups/main.c
[23:50] < Ge0rG> its running at 61
[23:50] < Ge0rG> Hz
[23:50] < fake> something is completely wrong then...
[23:51] < fake> can anyone come up with a fbset-like modeline ?
[23:51] < fake> of 1024x768@75Hz
[23:51] < Ge0rG> fbset tells one. but it isn't running
[23:51] < Ge0rG> the iga fb source contains some descriptions of the other modes
[23:52] < fake> Ge0rG: i read it, and am not sure how to activate the other modes
[23:52] < Ge0rG> it should work with the right parameters
[23:53] < fake> i.e. if i hardwire it to 16bit-by-default i get triple-sized letters
[23:53] < fake> Ge0rG: the right parameters _where_ ?
[23:53] < fake> and _which_ parameters?
[23:54] < Ge0rG> kernel parameters
[23:54] < Ge0rG> like vga= or fb= or something
[23:55] < fake> Ge0rG: read the TODO ontop of igafb.c ?
[23:55] < tsa> cu all-.
[23:55] < tsa> going to get some beers.. ;-)
[23:55] < tsa> n8
[23:55] < Ge0rG> fake: nope
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[23:57] < fake> Ge0rG: i can neither find anything about how to give parameters on the commandline nor how to change it in the prom.
[23:57] < fake> it is read from the prom node (whichever) and the parameters are called "height","width" and "depth"
[23:58] < esden> cu all
[23:58] < fake> cu esden
[23:58] < huebi> cu esden
[23:58] < th> what is the status of xbox and linux?
[23:59] < fake> th: xbox-linux.sf.net
[23:59] < fake> iirc
[23:59] < th> is it legal?
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Thu Jul 04 00:00:03 2002