-!- Irrsi Log opened Fri Jul 05 00:00:48 2002
[00:02] < th> huebi: das muesste ja dein script (cvs2cl) koennen.
[00:04] < huebi> th: jo, kann es.
[00:04] < huebi> ich habe nur vergessen wie...
[00:04] < rxr> re
[00:04] < th> huebi: perl is eklig, aber ich kann mir das bei gelegenheit antun
[00:05] < thalerim> moin rxr
[00:05] < huebi> hi rxr
[00:05] < rxr> moin all
[00:05] < rxr> rene@jackson:~ > fetchmail
[00:05] < rxr> 642 messages for rene.rebe@gmx.net at pop.gmx.net (2761045 octets).
[00:05] < rxr> reading message rene.rebe@gmx.net@pop.gmx.net:1 of 642 (3253 octets) ..
[00:05] < rxr> hm
[00:05] < rxr> I need to check mails more often ;-) *g*
[00:05] < huebi> rxr: dev.c:1017: warning: asm operand 1 probably doesn't match constraints <- kommt dir das bekannt vor?
[00:05] < Mike1> Hi rxr :)
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[00:06] < bluefire> hi
[00:06] < rxr> huebi: hm - nicht wirklich ? welche ARCH ?
[00:06] < rxr> hi Mike1
[00:06] < huebi> Ich probiere immer noch die drock kernel scripte fuer rock 1.5 anzupassen..
[00:06] < huebi> ia32
[00:06] < rxr> huebi: hm ...
[00:06] < rxr> My out traffic: Avg: 302.39 kBit/s
[00:07] < rxr> On a 256 kBit/s line ;-)
[00:07] < Mike1> haha
[00:08] < rxr> hm
[00:08] < rxr> cool - again a status report for a g++ bug we reported a year ago:
[00:08] < rxr> Synopsis: [parser] G++ reports internal Error on simple code
[00:08] < rxr> State-Changed-From-To: feedback->analyzed
[00:08] < rxr> State-Changed-By: lerdsuwa
[00:08] < rxr> State-Changed-When: Wed Jul 3 08:58:15 2002
[00:08] < rxr> State-Changed-Why:
[00:08] < rxr> Bug remains on current 3.1 branch and trunk.
[00:08] < rxr> ;-)
[00:12] < fake> ok... now i know why vidmode changing doesn't work
[00:13] < fake> igafb.c doesn't know how to change it
[00:13] < Ge0rG> fake: so we are stuck with the mode we get from the boot rom?
[00:14] < fake> Ge0rG: yes, that is either 1024x, 1152x or 1280x.
[00:14] < Ge0rG> and how do we switch it?
[00:14] < fake> Ge0rG: no idea. i have no idea about sun hardware,
[00:15] < fake> clue
[00:15] < fake> well... now that my crosscompiler works i'll dig deeper on the weekend
[00:15] < fake> .... (if i find time for that ;-)
[00:17] < huebi> setenv output-device screen:r1152x900x94
[00:18] < rxr> Apache statistic:
[00:18] < rxr> 1057/ftp/drock/stable/1.6.0/drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-1.iso
[00:18] < rxr> 692/ftp/drock/stable/1.6.0/drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-2.iso
[00:18] < rxr> 125/ftp/drock/stable/1.6.0/drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso
[00:18] < rxr> Hm ?
[00:18] < huebi> fake: https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/General/OBP.html
[00:19] < fake> huebi: how do i boot into OBP again?
[00:19] < Mike1> checking installed Linux kernel header files... TOO OLD!
[00:19] < Mike1> configure: error: GNU libc requires kernel header files from
[00:19] < Mike1> Linux 2.0.10 or later to be installed before configuring.
[00:20] < Mike1> whats this?
[00:20] < huebi> Mike1: cd /usr/src/linux
[00:20] < huebi> Mike1: make symlinks
[00:20] < huebi> Mike1: make dep
[00:20] < huebi> all should be fine then.
[00:21] < Mike1> huebi: ok danke
[00:21] < huebi> Mike1: you're welcome ;-))
[00:21] < huebi> fake: ALT-h when you switch on.
[00:21] < fake> huebi: thanks... *trying*
[00:24] < fake> huebi: there is no OBP option
[00:25] < huebi> fake: I test it here now... mom
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[00:33] fake wants to go to bed
[00:34] < Ge0rG> depmod: *** Unresolved symbols in /lib/modules/2.4.18/kernel/drivers/sbus/audio/cs4231.o
[00:34] < Ge0rG> depmod: ebus_chain
[00:34] < Ge0rG> ugh.
[00:34] < fake> Ge0rG: welcome aboard.
[00:35] < fake> Ge0rG: do a backport of the ebus driver from sparc64 to sparc
[00:35] < Ge0rG> ./arch/sparc/kernel/ebus.c:struct linux_ebus *ebus_chain = 0;
[00:35] < Ge0rG> ./arch/sparc/kernel/ebus.c:EXPORT_SYMBOL(ebus_chain);
[00:35] < Ge0rG> last line added by me ;)
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[00:36] < fake> Ge0rG: there is actually no support for the cs4231 because there is no support for the DMA chip used
[00:37] < fake> if that mail on the mailinglist wasn't too outdated.
[00:37] < fake> and now i'll go to bed.
[00:37] < fake> sleep well, all together.
[00:37] < huebi> fake: https://de.sunsolve.sun.com/handbook_pub/Devices/System_Board/SYSBD_JavaStation_JK.html
[00:38] < huebi> jumper J1300 1-2
[00:38] < fake> huebi: *cut-pasting-into-bach-history*
[00:38] < fake> bash
[00:38] < Ge0rG> ugh. when I want to reboot the krups I often get oopses
[00:38] < huebi> and press ALT-a while switch on ;-)))
[00:38] < fake> Ge0rG: simply switch off and on again ;)
[00:38] < fake> huebi: thanks!
[00:39] < huebi> fake: then help
[00:39] < huebi> fake: then type help
[00:39] < fake> huebi: i know OBP
[00:39] < fake> probe-all ... etc ;-)
[00:39] < fake> okay. good night. *waves*
[00:39] fake zZzZzZ
[00:39] < Ge0rG> cu fake
[00:40] < huebi> cu fake
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[00:43] < Ge0rG> wasn't there x server support for the iga?
[00:43] < Mike1> huebi: make symlinks dep didnt solve my problem
[00:43] < huebi> on sparc?
[00:43] < Mike1> huebi: nope intel
[00:44] < Mike1> 1.5.16
[00:44] < huebi> I don't know then...
[00:45] < Mike1> huebi: maybe if i use --with-headers ??
[00:47] < huebi> touch /usr/src/linux/include/linux/modversions.h
[00:47] < huebi> cp $base/misc/linux/autoconf.h include/linux/
[00:47] < th> Ge0rG: do you do ifconfig eth0 down on reboot?
[00:48] < Ge0rG> th: uhm... is it in the default net scripts?
[00:48] < th> jo
[00:48] < th> th.delta /opt/krups/rootfs/etc/init.d > cat network
[00:48] < th> start)
[00:48] < th> start_net
[00:48] < th> ;;
[00:48] < th> stop)
[00:48] < th> echo "Won't stop network on a diskless client!"
[00:48] < th> ;;
[00:48] < Mike1> huebi: i try
[00:48] < th> so hab ich das dann mal geaendert ;)
[00:49] < Ge0rG> th: sinnvoll
[00:49] < th> Ge0rG: aber ich krieg trotz dessen noch oopses
[00:50] < Ge0rG> und mein kernel mag noch nicht booten
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[00:53] < Ge0rG> yet another irssi crash.
[00:53] < Ge0rG> pretty strange if you ask me
[00:59] < Ge0rG> would it make sense to activate MTD support on the krups for writing to the flashrom space?
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[01:04] < Mike1> huebi: looks like its fixed it was my fault
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[01:05] < Mike1> hi capchaos
[01:07] < Ge0rG> mhm... does anyone need 2x32mb edo dimms for his krups?
[01:07] < th> hmm
[01:07] < th> Ge0rG: you put other dimms into it?
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[01:08] < Ge0rG> th: nope, but I can get additional 32mb modules
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[01:10] < Ge0rG> th: oder waren alle krupsen mit 64mb vollbestückt?
[01:10] < th> zumindest all die 7
[01:10] < th> afaik
[01:11] < huebi> Ge0rG: 64MB ist offizielles maximum
[01:11] < Ge0rG> huebi: hab ich gelesen. hat schon ma wer mehr probiert?
[01:12] < huebi> nein, koennte aber mit 64 MB riegeln gehen.
[01:12] < th> aber die sind dann wohl teurer als die krups fuer uns ;)
[01:13] < huebi> th ACK
[01:14] < Ge0rG> hm... mit einem kleinen root-image als cramfs könnte man die krups zu einem vollwertigen autonomen rechner machen
[01:14] < huebi> https://www.geizhals.at/de/?cat=ram&a=1243 oder auch nicht
[01:15] < huebi> good night
[01:15] < Mike1> n8 huebi
[01:16] < Ge0rG> cu huebi
[01:16] < Ge0rG> jffs2 is promising too, though it was said to be unstable
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[01:20] < th> n8
[01:20] < th> *detach*
[01:20] < Ge0rG> cu th
[01:28] < owl> g8. cu
[01:28] < Mike1> ny th
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[01:50] < tsa> n8.
[01:50] < tsa> *gaehn*
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[02:12] < rxr> does someone knows a unix std tool to buffer some data in pipes?
[02:12] < rxr> like cat file | buffer-prog -s 2MB | some_other_app ...
[02:12] < Mike1> rxr: no sorry
[02:12] < Ge0rG> there was something called buffer I think...
[02:13] < rxr> hi Mike1 - thanks.
[02:13] < rxr> Ge0rG: I remembered, too - but on my dRock there is bno buffer ... ;-)
[02:13] < Ge0rG> mhm... the krups doesn't like booting with disabled flash jumper :/
[02:13] < Mike1> rxr: could you help me with a problem building rock 1.5.16?
[02:14] < rxr> Mike1: no - sorry. I only know 1.7 and dRock ... - never got into 1.5.x ...
[02:14] < rxr> and I need to do some audio and university work ...
[02:14] < Mike1> rxr: its most a prblem with glibc
[02:14] < Mike1> i see
[02:14] < Mike1> rxr: i am interested too in building drock 1.6 do you still care about build reports?
[02:15] < rxr> sure I care - but I allready know that some files do not download (URL changed ...)
[02:16] < Mike1> rxr: yeah
[02:16] < Mike1> rxr: is there are drock-1.6.0-src.iso
[02:16] < Mike1> ?
[02:17] < rxr> Mike1: no - but single files
[02:17] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/ftp/drock/pkg-archive/
[02:18] < rxr> BUT - PLEASE only download the files you need - not all !!!
[02:18] < rxr> (my connect is allready overfilled)
[02:18] < Mike1> rxr: yeah i was trying to fetch the drock iso your connecting is very messe
[02:18] < Mike1> +d
[02:18] < Mike1> i had a download rate 2.0K
[02:19] < Mike1> und i have a 1.5MB connecting so it was certainly urs
[02:19] < rxr> Mike1: this is because all the stupid people start downloads before the files are mirrored completely ...
[02:19] < rxr> The rsync to mirrors is still running ...
[02:20] < Mike1> damn
[02:20] < Mike1> maybe you would like to sent a mail asking for cooperation regarding this
[02:20] < Mike1> :)
[02:20] < rxr> maybe I should not give the original URL (of my server) away - and only let people use the mirror sites ...)
[02:21] < Mike1> hehe that would work too
[02:31] < odd_amrimp> Anyone figure out that REL problem with MIPS?
[02:32] < odd_amrimp> the __syscall_error REL16, blah when compiling up glibc?
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[06:23] < SMP> Moin
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[07:14] < [anders]> re SMP
[07:15] < [anders]> re snyke
[07:15] < [anders]> Hmmmias.. build fell over on 3-linux...
[07:19] < [anders]> 'asm operand 1 probably doesn't match constraints' ??
[07:27] < [anders]> erk.. 3-linux fails due to compile errors in addconf.c (src/linux/net/ipv6)
[07:28] < [anders]> . o O (Time to tweak the kernel config a bit I think...)
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[07:52] < [anders]> Right, how the hell can I turn of the fscking IPV6 support when building the kernel...
[07:52] < [anders]> a) IPV6 is useless as it isn't in use anywhere relevant yet and b) it breaks the build..
[08:21] < huebi> moin
[08:24] < huebi> Moin SMP
[08:24] < huebi> Moin [anders]
[08:25] < huebi> [anders]: I'm on that issue with IPv6 in the kernel since 3 days...
[08:34] < SMP> echo CONFIG_IPV6 >> misc/linux/disable-broken.lst
[08:34] < SMP> should do the job
[08:35] < huebi> SMP: Jo.
[08:37] < huebi> SMP: And I want to have a very much closer look how the funktion of the kernel.conf.cpp works.
[08:38] < huebi> The way the kernel has to be configured for ia32, alpha and sparc is very different.
[08:43] < fake> mornin
[08:43] < huebi> moin fake
[08:44] < SMP> why do both arch-conf/ia32 and arch-conf/intel exist?
[08:45] < huebi> SMP: It's a mistake. intel should not be there anymore.
[08:46] < SMP> oh yes, it's empty anyway
[08:46] SMP cvs up -P
[08:47] < huebi> SMP: cvs up -P - then you won't get: the empty directories in misc/install-disk.
[08:48] < huebi> -:
[08:49] < fake> odd_amrimp: i know it. the official answer from #mipslinux = "Use gcc 3.1 at least."
[08:49] < huebi> only etc and sbin contain some files. The rest won't be co/up
[08:49] < fake> odd_amrimp: and they are right
[08:49] < SMP> huebi: aaaarrrrghhhh
[08:49] < huebi> SMP: ccccvvvvsssss ;-)
[08:50] < SMP> no. stoooooooooooooooopid
[08:50] < SMP> I'll commit a fix
[08:50] < huebi> SMP: The solution is to put in an empty directory a file (to erase it afterwards)
[08:51] < fake> punch.me, kill.me, erase.me .... i like those files ;-)
[08:51] < SMP> no, the solution is to think before you act
[08:51] < huebi> or to delete intel in the repository (the worse solution).
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[08:51] < fake> what's think? can you eat it? is it yummy?
[08:51] < huebi> moin rxr
[08:52] < fake> morschn rene
[08:53] < huebi> *gespanntaufdieloesungwart*
[08:57] fake is off for BBQ @school ;)
[08:57] < fake> cu later
[08:57] < huebi> fake: Much fun ;-)
[08:57] < fake> thanks
[08:59] < huebi> Here in Darmstadt ist for the next 4 days "Heinerfest" 750000 visitors are expected.
[08:59] < huebi> 6 time more than citizens
[09:01] < [anders]> SMP: found and done that..
[09:01] < [anders]> huebi: if I figure it out, I'll let you know, but I guess you'll get there before me..
[09:02] < huebi> [anders]: That would be great. ;-)
[09:02] < SMP> revision 1.14
[09:02] < SMP> date: 2002/07/05 07:01:15; author: stefanp; state: Exp; lines: +1 -0
[09:02] < SMP> install-disks no longer depends on checkout of empty directories
[09:02] < SMP> Working file: base-config/install-disks/install-disks.conf
[09:02] < [anders]> right, it is going past 3-linux.. is on 3-cfree86 now..
[09:02] < [anders]> 3-xfree86 even..
[09:03] < huebi> [anders]: Thank you;-)
[09:03] [anders] will remove _nodel_ once compile is finished, then run it all again...
[09:04] < [anders]> huebi: all I have had to change in 1.5.16 is the symlink for linux-src -> linux in base_archive and then the CONFIG_IPV6 thing..
[09:04] < huebi> [anders]: You can also just activate stage 5 - a full rebuild.
[09:04] [anders] building for ia32-k7 arch..
[09:04] < [anders]> huebi: that is true..
[09:05] < huebi> [anders]: You did a: ln -s linux-src linux in base-config?
[09:06] < [anders]> once I get base+opt to build cleanly (and every time) I will start working on ext and get it downloading everuything..
[09:06] < [anders]> huebi: the other way around 'ln -s linux linux-src'
[09:07] < [anders]> in base-archive, sorry..
[09:07] < huebi> was linux-src missing?
[09:07] < [anders]> in base-archive, yes..
[09:07] < huebi> ahh, ok
[09:08] < [anders]> will base+opt fit on one CD?
[09:10] < huebi> [anders]: yes, it will.
[09:10] < [anders]> that true for both binary and source ?
[09:11] < [anders]> i.e. binary k7 on one CD and all base+opt sources on one CD ?
[09:13] < [anders]> I also have a rather large patch for XFree86.. The driver for the SiS315 gfx chipset is not in XFree86 4.2.0, if I create a patch for that, I can just drop it in place and get it built in?
[09:13] < [anders]> (no, I did not write the code, I just downloaded it... ;-)
[09:14] < huebi> [anders]: Yes all will fit on one cd.
[09:15] < huebi> binaries on one and sources on the other.
[09:15] < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/ <- there are the sizes.
[09:16] < [anders]> huebi: cheers.. :)
[09:42] < huebi> mount: failed with nfs mount version 4, trying 3.. <- I think I missed something. v4 is new. I must have a look at it.
[09:44] < [anders]> huebi: is that in 1.5.16 ?
[09:45] < huebi> [anders]: in kernel 2.4.18-rc4 as in 1.5.16
[09:46] < [anders]> huebi: err, ia32 is not using 2.4.18-rc4 is it?
[09:53] < huebi> [anders]: also ia32 is using 2.4.18-rc4 instead of 2.4.18(-rc3)
[09:54] < huebi> [anders]: have a look at this 2-liner
[09:54] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/misc/linux/01-2.4.18-rc4.patch?rev=1.1&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
[09:55] < huebi> sparc(64) will fail under heavy load without this patch under heavy load
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[10:09] < [anders]> huebi: ah, okay.. should not make any difference then..
[10:10] < [anders]> to the IPV6 thingy I mean..
[10:10] < huebi> [anders]: No, it doesn't. Only effective on sparc64 IIRC
[10:10] < [anders]> build now on to qt..
[10:10] < [anders]> 3-qt even..
[10:12] < huebi> qt will take 3 times longer in 1.5.17 than in 1.5.16. Now all 4 library sorts ( qt, qt multithreaded, both for static and dynamic linking an build)
[10:13] < huebi> s/an/are/
[10:20] < [anders]> huebi: oook.. and when is 1.5.17 due out?
[10:22] < huebi> [anders]: One of the biggest issues was/is the new kernel.config. I try to get it out wednesday.
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[10:24] < [anders]> huebi: next wednesday?
[10:24] < huebi> [anders]: Yes
[10:24] [anders] will not try and install 1.5.16 anywhere if 1.5.17 is just around the corner..
[10:25] < huebi> [anders]: There will be just more fixes and not so many changes that it would worth to wait.
[10:26] < huebi> You then should also be able to update your tree and just to rebuild the changes.
[10:27] < [anders]> huebi: ok, I'll carry on building with 1.5.16 and play with that.. I am not in a position to re-install my laptop yet anyway..
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[10:28] < huebi> [anders]: fine ;-))
[10:36] < huebi> th: Moin.
[10:37] < huebi> th: The changelog is not created after a commit. Is that an error or should it be so?
[11:01] < [anders]> ok, linguistical skills required.. is this correct? "Ich kannst nicht viel deutsch sprächen."
[11:02] < huebi> Ich kann nicht viel deutsch sprechen.
[11:02] < [anders]> cheers huebi! :)
[11:03] < huebi> you're welcome
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[11:31] < th> huebi: it should be created :=/
[11:31] < th> moin folks
[11:31] < huebi> moin th
[11:31] < huebi> th: but it is not. I commited some stuff and the changelog is untouched.
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[11:33] < th> strange. the changelog has not been copied
[11:33] < th> but ChangeLog has. that shouldn't
[11:33] < th> 2002-06-05 00:49 huebi
[11:33] < th> * rock-1.5/: VERSION, base-config/imagemagick/imagemagick.conf,
[11:33] < th> base-config/nasm/nasm.conf, base-config/nasm/nasm.desc,
[11:33] < th> scripts/Create-CD, scripts/parse-config,
[11:33] < th> ??
[11:35] < huebi> th: hmm. very old.
[11:35] < th> i'll go for that
[11:35] < huebi> th: thank you ;-)
[11:40] < huebi> Something more strange: When I compiled the new linux package with ROCKCFG_MAKE_JOBS='16' I got an error "cna not open libc.so.6".
[11:40] < th> * rock-1.5/base-config/linux-src/linux-src.conf: Fixed path to the
[11:40] < th> kernel source and fixed typo in generating the value for lx_cpu.
[11:41] < huebi> the fix is doubleing the maximum number of open files: echo "16384" > /proc/sys/fs/file-max
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[11:53] < huebi> 11:53am up 3:50, 3 users, load average: 85.48, 139.84, 88.96
[11:54] < huebi> a "little bit" more than the expected lod of 8
[11:54] < huebi> +a
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[11:57] < [anders]> huebi: err, do you get any response out of that box at all???
[11:57] < huebi> [anders]: Yes, but not too much. a little bit slower than my IPX *eg*
[11:58] < SMP> where (URL) iss the ChangeLog?
[11:58] < [anders]> huebi: and what type of box is this?
[11:58] < [anders]> morning SMP
[11:58] < huebi> The top load was about 350
[11:58] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/changelog?rev=1.3&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
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[11:59] < huebi> hello tomik
[11:59] < tomik> hi huebi
[12:02] < [anders]> hmm.. took 22 minutes to build glibc yesterday.. in pass 1..
[12:03] < huebi> == 01:14:46 =[1]=> Building base package glibc [2.2.5 1.5.17].
[12:03] < huebi> == 01:33:48 06/27/02 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
[12:03] < huebi> 1x XP1800+
[12:04] < [anders]> huebi: and what box are you building that on?
[12:04] < [anders]> aaahh.. :)
[12:04] < huebi> but 1GB RAM and 1GB swap
[12:04] < [anders]> I have an XP1900+ with 512MB RAM..
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[12:06] < [anders]> == 10:45:26 =[3]=> Building base package mozilla [1.0 1.5.16].
[12:06] < [anders]> not finished yet.. :)
[12:06] < huebi> hehe ;-)
[12:07] < huebi> == 06:14:32 =[3]=> Building base package mozilla [1.0 1.5.17].
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[12:07] < huebi> == 06:53:06 06/27/02 =[3]=> Finished building package mozilla.
[12:07] < [anders]> 40 mins? :)
[12:07] < huebi> yes, 40 mins
[12:08] < [anders]> so it should finish for me in about 20 mins then....
[12:08] < huebi> == 03:29:57 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17].
[12:08] < huebi> == 05:03:46 06/27/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt.
[12:08] < huebi> This is the new time in 1.5.17
[12:09] < huebi> 94min
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[12:09] < Ge0rG> hi
[12:09] < huebi> hi Ge0rG
[12:10] < [anders]> huebi: ouch!!
[12:10] [anders] wonders if it would be possible to add in the Config to specify that you for example only want Qt, dynamic and threaded. ?
[12:16] < huebi> [anders]: yes. I could be added in scripts/config.in and then used in base-config/qt.conf
[12:17] < huebi> /me fixing sysfiles..
[12:17] huebi fixing sysfiles..
[12:17] < tomik> :)
[12:18] < [anders]> huebi: would it be worth looking at doing that for some of the packages where a bit of tweaking is likely to occur?
[12:18] [anders] would almost certainly build Qt dynamic and threaded..
[12:20] < huebi> [anders]: Before qt was only built qynamic and the threaded libs were links to the unthreaded.
[12:21] < [anders]> I would also like to do something non-standard in having a statically linked bash in /bin and a dynamically linked bash in /usr/bin
[12:21] < [anders]> I don't know how feasible that is to do..
[12:23] < huebi> [anders]: why also a dynamically linked bash in /usr/bin? Not just the statically linked one?
[12:24] < [anders]> huebi: if something goes wrong with your system, a static shell does not have external dependencies. For day to day use, in a working system, a dynamic shell takes less memory..
[12:24] < [anders]> hence, a static shell for system maintenance and init-scripts and a dynamic shell for users
[12:24] < [anders]> (Yes, I am paranoid... ;-)
[12:25] < [anders]> == 11:24:34 07/05/02 =[3]=> Finished building package mozilla.
[12:25] < [anders]> just under 40 minutes..
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[12:29] < huebi> moin bluefire
[12:29] < bluefire> Moin huebi
[12:29] < huebi> [anders]: I like a system which works without mounted /usr fs
[12:32] < [anders]> huebi: perhaps dynamic shell in /bin and static shell in /sbin then?
[12:32] < [anders]> as /sbin and /usr/sbin should be for statically linked executables..
[12:32] < [anders]> :)
[12:33] < huebi> Yes that sounds good. we should discuss that on the mailing list. Could you write a mail for that issue?
[12:34] < [anders]> huebi: No problem. I will do that in a bit, got to do some work first. :)
[12:35] < huebi> gret
[12:35] < huebi> great ;-)
[12:38] < huebi> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/esden/ircstat/ - I just had a look. hmmm, I think I should do more on other thinks...
[12:43] < [anders]> interesting quite esden picked for me... :)
[12:44] < [anders]> "fake: it made splashing noises... ;-)"
[12:44] < [anders]> hehehehe
[12:44] < huebi> lol
[12:46] < Ge0rG> mhm... building 2.5.x kernels on slow machines is a pain... ;)
[12:46] < [anders]> the big numbers section was quite interesting and I even managed to end up in there.. :)
[12:46] < [anders]> but only as runner up.. :-/
[12:46] < huebi> [anders]: give Mathilda some weed...
[12:47] < [anders]> eh?
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[12:47] < rxr> re
[12:47] < rxr> hi esden
[12:47] < [anders]> re rxr.. :)
[12:47] < huebi> Ge0rG: jo, but I have a pre pre Krups model here, a "SparcStation Classic X"
[12:47] < huebi> [anders]: Mathilda is the #rocklinux channel cow...
[12:48] < rxr> wow irc-stat - and I'm still on the 3rd place ?? Although I was not much here the last two weeks? ;-)
[12:48] < [anders]> huebi: okidoki.. :) does she moo ? ;-D
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[12:48] < huebi> or better the ascii mascot of ROCK Linux.
[12:49] < huebi> [anders]: Muh!
[12:49] < huebi> hi Rene ;-)
[12:49] < SMP> rxr: are you listening? ;)
[12:49] < rxr> hi SMP
[12:50] < SMP> rxr: the dRock ISOs I have mirrored don't match the MD5 sums.
[12:50] < SMP> rxr: could you please validate:
[12:51] < rxr> SMP you could also rsync them - I have an open read-only one running ...
[12:54] < rxr> rene@gate:/home/public/ftp/drock/stable/1.6.0 > md5sum --check drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso.md5
[12:54] < rxr> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-boot.iso: OK
[12:54] < rxr> rene@gate:/home/public/ftp/drock/stable/1.6.0 > md5sum --check drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-2.iso.md5
[12:54] < rxr> drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-2.iso: OK
[12:54] < SMP> c6059cf714950b5d9f38aab1cc60f6f4 drock-i586-1.6.0-CD-1.iso
[12:54] < SMP> hmm.
[12:55] < SMP> rsync coordinates are?
[12:56] < rxr> mom
[12:57] < th> SMP: bist du morgen im noc?
[12:57] < rxr> rsync -v --progress rsync://drocklinux.dyndns.org/public/ftp/drock/stable/1.6.0/drock-i586-1.6.0*.iso* .
[12:57] < rxr> (oder +/- die opts die du brauchst ...)
[12:57] < SMP> th: ich denke nicht
[12:58] < th> SMP: ich weiss noch nicht wann ich zum SO fahre
[12:58] < th> SMP: aber wenn ich erst samstag fahre bleibe ich bis montag
[12:58] < th> SMP: aber wo wohnst du denn?
[12:59] < th> SMP: direkt in WR?
[12:59] < SMP> th: ich werde am Wochenende nicht in WR sein
[12:59] < th> ahja
[12:59] < th> bis wann is wer im buero?
[12:59] < SMP> wenn ich hier waere, ginge das natuerlich jederzeit
[13:00] < SMP> ich schaetze, mind. bis 0400 morgen :)
[13:00] < rxr> SMP: you seem to rsync the whole directory ... - this way you also get the "network install single packages files" - are you sure you want this ?
[13:00] < th> SMP: macht steffen so lange? ;)
[13:00] < SMP> rxr: mkdir drock-i586-1.6.0 : Permission denied (2)
[13:00] < SMP> th: ich denke
[13:01] < [anders]> is there any plans on getting the acpi utilities into rock 1.5.17 ?
[13:01] < th> SMP: wie siehts sa, so und montag frueh-mittag mit der besetzung aus?
[13:01] < th> [anders]: you are free to contribute
[13:01] < SMP> th: zu 'normalen' Zeiten kann ich jederzeit jemanden hier haben
[13:02] < [anders]> th: I'll have a looki-looki at that in a bit then.. got to get 1.5.16 compiling end2end first. :)
[13:02] < th> SMP: naja dann hast du deinen kasten spaetestens montag im noc.
[13:02] < [anders]> I was asking just in case someone else was already doing it
[13:02] < th> SMP: und wenn sonntag auch wer da ist, kann ich da auch zu normalen zeiten da sein.
[13:03] < huebi> [anders]: Just build a package and it will be in 1.5
[13:03] < SMP> th: also definitiv Sonntag?
[13:03] < th> [anders]: doesn't seems so
[13:03] < th> SMP: sonntag bin ich auf jeden fall in wr.
[13:04] < th> SMP: vorraussichtlich aber auch schon samstag abend oder noch montag vormittag
[13:04] < th> (falls die zeiten "normaler" sind
[13:04] < th> )
[13:04] < huebi> distance between MD and WR?
[13:04] < th> huebi: ~75km
[13:05] < SMP> th: wir sollten uns mal mind. auf einen konkreten Tag einigen.
[13:05] < huebi> th: thank you ;-)
[13:05] < th> SMP: sag mir ob du samstag abend oder montag frueh vorziehst.
[13:06] < SMP> th: Montag ab 0100? (Notfalls ab 0900)
[13:06] < SMP> aehm
[13:06] < SMP> 1000
[13:06] < th> sollte kein problem sein
[13:06] < Ge0rG> th: apropos montag 08.07 - da ist abgabeschluss für analysepattern & patternmatching. aber bei koeppe und requirements engineering ist das lockerer
[13:07] < th> Ge0rG: hui
[13:07] < th> Ge0rG: ich sollte mich fuer koeppe entscheiden ;)
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[13:07] < Ge0rG> th: da werde ich dir nicht reinreden, aber: tu es! tu es! tu es! ;)
[13:07] < th> Ge0rG: den kerl mag ich. ich spiel mit ihm begriffe raten (so mit buchstaben vorsagen) und krieg ne 1.7
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[13:08] < huebi> th: nett...
[13:08] < th> SMP: du kannst waehlen zwischen sonntag zu "normaler" zeit und montag ab 1000
[13:08] < th> huebi: meine shcaetzung war ganz ok. mapblast meint 76,76km
[13:09] < SMP> th: Montag ab 1000 ist 'normale' Zeit und absolut OK ;)
[13:09] < huebi> th du solltest dafuer ca 1h20 brauchen oder ist da Autobahn dabei?
[13:10] < th> huebi: also bis zu meinem lieblings MOTOS sinds ~92, ueber WR. und da brauch ich ~1h15
[13:10] < th> huebi: wenn die strassen frei sind
[13:10] < th> huebi: also is 1h schaffbar bei guenstiger verkehrslage
[13:11] rxr updated kde to 3.0.2 in the 1.7 tree ...
[13:11] < th> SMP: also gut. montag ab 1000 dann.
[13:11] < rxr> are there other important updates ?
[13:11] < huebi> rxr: klasse. ;-)
[13:11] < huebi> rxr: OpenSSH 3.4p1
[13:12] < rxr> huebi: thanks - this got already updated when cliff was not away ;-)
[13:12] < huebi> th: Ich habe einfach mal geschatzt: 25km/h in der Stadt, 60km/h Landstrasse und 100km/h auf der Autobahn.
[13:13] < th> huebi: da sind weite strecken bundesstrasse bei wo man 120 bis 130 fahren kann
[13:13] < th> huebi: werden nur immer von dummen ortschaften unterbrochen
[13:13] < SMP> 120 bis 130 nur? ;>
[13:13] < th> SMP: bin ja noch in der probezeit ;)
[13:13] < huebi> th: und die Ortschaften druecken den Schnitt auf 60km/h
[13:13] < th> huebi: jupp. moeglich
[13:14] < SMP> th: ich musste so ne dumme Nachschulung in der Probezeit machen. war super lustig bei den dummen Ossis hier ;>
[13:14] < huebi> <- Rekord ligt bei ueber 200km/h zu schnell. In der Tempo 30 Zone!
[13:14] < th> SMP: und was die fahrt hoch nach schierke angeht bin ich gaenzlich ungeuebt und komme wohl hoechstens auf nen 90er schnitt
[13:14] < SMP> huebi: gut! ;)
[13:15] < th> mein SO kommt da wohl auf 110 oder so
[13:15] < huebi> th: SO?
[13:15] < th> SO /S-O/ n. 1. (also `S.O.') Abbrev. for Significant Other, almost
[13:16] < th> invariably written abbreviated and pronounced /S-O/ by hackers. Used to
[13:16] < th> refer to one's primary relationship, esp. a live-in to whom one is not
[13:16] < th> married. See MOTAS, MOTOS, MOTSS. 2. [techspeak] The Shift Out
[13:16] < th> control character in ASCII (Control-N, 0001110).
[13:16] < [anders]> ok, I'll have a look at acpi and I will try and get it working..
[13:17] < th> huebi: und ich meinte position 1.
[13:17] < huebi> th: URL, please? Need to read that.
[13:17] < th> huebi: sie wohnt in schierke. das ist dann nochmal 18 km oder so die berge hoch.
[13:18] < th> huebi: www.dict.org
[13:18] < huebi> dankoe..
[13:18] < th> oder direct den jargon-index...
[13:18] < th> aber www.dict.org fragt alles ab
[13:18] < SMP> https://www.tuxedo.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/SO.html
[13:19] < th> www.jargon.org is ein redirector dahin. das ist aber schoen. dann kann ich mir das auch endlich merken
[13:21] [anders] is now doing the last four weeks worth of timesheets...
[13:28] < SMP> rxr: noch da?
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[13:28] < SMP> argl
[13:29] < th> bloeder peer
[13:30] < huebi> Gibt es einen besonderen Zweck fuer " ROCKCFG_ARCH = none "No Architecture (build disabled)" '
[13:30] < huebi> ?
[13:31] < th> vllt. die implikation zur verpflichtung Config zu starten
[13:33] < huebi> jo, aber da laesst sich auch abfragen, ob ROCKCFG_ARCH != ""
[13:33] < th> stimmt
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[13:36] < huebi> jo, geht.
[13:37] < huebi> arch="${ROCKCFG_ARCH}" - und damit wird die Variable arch nicht mehr gebraucht und kann in allen Skripten durch ROCKCFG_ARCH ersetzt werden.
[13:39] < huebi> Das macht das Ganze etwas uebersichtlicher und es ist klar, das diese Variable nur in Config gesetzt wird und auch nur diese global verwendet wird.
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[13:43] < huebi> SMP: I've got an idea to solve the load problem while using MAKE="make -j<1". MAKE should just have an other name. Then $MAKE should not be affected in submakes.
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[14:30] < th> wieviel muss im moment auf nen normalen brief?
[14:30] < huebi> 56 cent
[14:31] < th> danke
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[14:38] < [anders]> what should the checksum of nasm be? I get 1417419836 that is apperantly wrong...
[14:38] < th> [anders]: cksum the tar.
[14:38] < th> not the tar.bz2 or tgz
[14:40] < [anders]> th: I did that.. the nasm.pz had a different cksum to what the tar was giving me..
[14:40] < th> i'll have a look
[14:40] < [anders]> In any case, it is building now.. :)
[14:41] < th> [anders]: talking about which repository?
[14:41] < huebi> 2754633639 nasm/nasm-0.98.34.tar.bz2 https://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/nasm/
[14:41] < [anders]> th: not sure if the nasm archive came from the loop-mounted ISO at rocklinux or if it came from the sourceforge download place..
[14:42] < [anders]> nasm-0.98.33 give me cksum of 1417419836
[14:43] < [anders]> (just entered stage 4 of the build...)
[14:43] < th> wget https://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/nasm/nasm-0.98.34.tar.bz2
[14:43] < th> i'm testing it
[14:44] < th> 2754633639 2795520 nasm-0.98.34.tar
[14:44] < th> 2754633639 nasm/nasm-0.98.34.tar.bz2 https://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/nasm/
[14:44] < th> it matches
[14:45] < huebi> [anders]: See also: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/nasm/
[14:46] < SMP> mind you, [anders] was talking about a different version
[14:46] < huebi> 1850839888 nasm/nasm-0.98.33.tar.bz2 https://telia.dl.sourceforge.net/sourceforge/nasm/
[14:46] < [anders]> th: but the 1.5.16 nasm.pz will get nasm-0.98.33.tar.bz2
[14:47] < th> [anders]: i don't thikn so
[14:47] < huebi> [anders]: That is correct. Have a look at the URL: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/#dirlist
[14:48] < th> revision 1.5
[14:48] < th> date: 2002/06/22 23:54:11; author: huebi; state: Exp; lines: +2 -2
[14:48] < th> update to 0.98.34
[14:48] < [anders]> humma.. so why do I get this?
[14:48] < [anders]> anders@shuttle:/drock/rock-src-1.5.16/base-archive/nasm$ bunzip2 < nasm-0.98.33.tar.bz2 | cksum
[14:48] < [anders]> 1417419836 2764800
[14:48] < huebi> [anders]: Wrong or broken file?
[14:48] < th> wrong file
[14:49] < [anders]> must be, but it comiled..
[14:49] < [anders]> compiled even..
[14:49] < th> [anders]: get https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/scripts/Update-new but it in scripts/Update
[14:49] < huebi> [anders]: nasm did start some development in the last time again..
[14:49] < th> and do ./scripts/Update nasm
[14:49] < th> s,but,put,
[14:50] < [anders]> no worries, I will not be using the result from this build..
[14:50] < [anders]> I want to see how it works, long time since I built 1.4.0
[14:50] < [anders]> and I'll go through and update things like nasm afterwards. :)
[14:54] < [anders]> th: done..
[14:55] < th> [anders]: and have a look to nasm.pz again
[14:55] < th> did it update?
[14:55] < [anders]> so now when I have updated the nasm.pz and nasm.desc, do I just do ./scripts/Download nasm ?
[14:55] < th> ./scripts/Download -package nasm
[14:56] < huebi> [anders]: and a ./srcipts/Puzzle
[14:56] < [anders]> th: yeah, it updated..
[14:56] < th> huebi: Puzzle is done by Update
[14:56] < huebi> th: Ah, thank you ;-)
[14:56] < huebi> th: I really have to test your new scripts soon. ;-)
[14:56] < [anders]> th: it checksum'ed ok as well..
[14:57] < th> huebi: can we include *-new in 1.5.17 and further snapshots?
[14:57] < th> i should really concentrate on maths now...
[14:57] < huebi> th What do you think about moving them to the old versions?
[14:57] < [anders]> the question is what will happen now as I updated nasm while the build was running in stage 4. nasm 0.98.33 build in stage 3 and in stage 5, 0.98.34 will be built..
[14:58] < huebi> [anders]: nasm is only needed for lilo
[14:58] < th> huebi: i just wanted to do that without your ack
[14:58] < [anders]> huebi: really? I don't use lilo anyway so no big deal there then.. *lol*
[14:58] < th> huebi: s,just,just didn't,
[14:59] < th> EGRAMMAR aber egal
[14:59] < huebi> th: Just do it. I'll test it latest tomorrow.
[14:59] < th> ok
[15:02] < huebi> Arrghh, no reaction on this box load is again up to 350 or so...
[15:02] huebi having a shower...
[15:03] < [anders]> == 14:01:21 =[5]=> Building base package linux-src [2.4.18 1.5.16].
[15:03] < [anders]> first package in stage 5
[15:12] < huebi> [anders]: should need 7h or so...
[15:12] < huebi> the whole stage 5
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[15:12] < [anders]> huebi: ok.. :)
[15:13] < [anders]> So even though there has been failures and things to fix, it will still complete in 24 hours.. :)
[15:13] < [anders]> re rxr
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[15:39] < thalerim> hello
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[15:42] < thalerim> moin rxr
[15:42] < huebi> hi thalerim
[15:42] < thalerim> heyha huebi
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[15:43] < Mike1> moin
[15:43] < huebi> moin Mike1 ;-))
[15:45] < Mike1> huebi: i am building 1.5.16 (guess you already knew ), but i got an error with linux on stage 3
[15:45] < Mike1> Makefile:244: arch//Makefile: No such file or directory
[15:45] < Mike1> make: *** No rule to make target `arch//Makefile'. Stop.
[15:46] < thalerim> seems to be a typo anywhere
[15:47] rxr starting a 1.7 build
[15:47] < Mike1> yes i have been looking for it but havent found it yet
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[15:48] < Mike1> rxr: i will join you on that as soon as i finish my 1.5.16
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[15:48] < Mike1> re h0h0
[15:48] < thalerim> Mikel: could be a parsing error as well
[15:48] < h0h0> lo
[15:48] < esden> hi all
[15:49] < Mike1> Hi esden! :)
[15:49] < Mike1> thalerim: any sugestions?
[15:49] < huebi> Mike1: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/scripts/Update-new <- plese get this new script and update linux
[15:49] < huebi> and linux-src
[15:49] < huebi> moin esden
[15:50] < thalerim> Mikel: grep for 'Makefile' in the files belonging to the linux-pkg
[15:50] < esden> *gaeeeeehhhhn*
[15:50] esden needs sleep :-(
[15:50] < Mike1> huebi: ok i will check it out
[15:50] < thalerim> Mike1: huebi 's the master,
[15:51] < Mike1> thank you Master huebi i will look at it inmidiately
[15:51] < huebi> *lol*
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[15:52] huebi just started a new build of 1.5.16
[15:55] < thalerim> mhm you could manage the libshadow thing
[15:56] < huebi> thalerim: mom
[15:57] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/ <- updated with every commit.
[15:58] < huebi> thalerim: I'll have a look at it later this night.
[15:59] < huebi> it's now on my todo list.
[16:00] < huebi> does somebody know why install-disks is build in stage 1?
[16:01] < snyke> <-- not :)
[16:01] < Mike1> huebi: no Master sorry :(
[16:01] < huebi> hi snyke
[16:01] < rxr> huebi: for early adaptors cross-installs ...
[16:01] < snyke> hi ppl
[16:02] < huebi> rxr: Ah. ok. I must have a closer look at it. Thank you.
[16:04] < rxr> AAAAAAAAARRRRRGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!
[16:04] < snyke> ?
[16:04] < snyke> rm -rf/
[16:04] < snyke> rm -rf / ?
[16:04] < rxr> no broken 1.7
[16:04] < huebi> rxr died!!
[16:04] < snyke> ahjo
[16:04] < huebi> must be so..
[16:04] < snyke> yep
[16:04] < snyke> bahh =( sloooooooooooooooooow connection to USA today :/
[16:05] < [anders]> re Mike1
[16:05] < esden> sounds interesting (seen on dietlibc ml): https://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/mrsam-1.txt https://www.fefe.de/dietlibc/mrsam-2.txt
[16:05] < Mike1> re [anders] :)
[16:05] < Mike1> [anders]: how are you doing with ur build?
[16:05] < [anders]> Mike1: it';s in stage 5.. :)
[16:05] < [anders]> Mike1: only three things that has had to be fixed..
[16:05] < Mike1> [anders]: cool!!, did you had any trouble with linux on stage 3?
[16:06] < [anders]> Mike1: Uhm, no.. that worked for me.. I had the problem in stage 1 where I created the sym-link...
[16:06] < [anders]> then there was the IPV6 problem.. (?)
[16:06] < Mike1> mmm....
[16:07] < Mike1> where?
[16:07] < [anders]> and then in stage 3, nasm was a bit screwy..
[16:07] < Mike1> i didnt had the ipv6 problem
[16:07] < huebi> Mike1: You need the kernel sources of 2.4.18 in /usr/src/linux. cd into it and just start a "make menuconfig" and exit menuconfig.
[16:07] < [anders]> Mike1: I had to add CONFIG_IPV6 to some file, misc/<something> as IPV6 modules refused to build..
[16:07] < Mike1> i see
[16:08] < huebi> I had that problem a few minutes ago. flist wrapper did not want to build.
[16:08] < Mike1> i had problems with it on stage one so i just ln -sf arch-conf/ia32 arch-conf/intel
[16:08] < Mike1> also it wasnt been able to find kernel-.conf
[16:10] < huebi> Mike1: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/misc/linux/disable-broken.lst
[16:11] < esden> Mike1: I thought I fixed it already
[16:11] < esden> argh
[16:11] < esden> I hate it
[16:11] < esden> I hate ...
[16:12] < [anders]> esden: ?
[16:12] < esden> [anders]: I had the kernel-.conf problem on alpha ... I thought I have fixed it already >_<
[16:13] < Mike1> esden not on the sources i have
[16:13] < esden> for all architectures
[16:13] < esden> Mike1: can be ... because I fixed it somewhere last weeh
[16:13] < [anders]> esden: alrighty.. I heard 1.5.17 is on its way.. :)
[16:13] < Mike1> hehe
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[16:14] < esden> [anders]: then it should be fixed there ...
[16:14] < esden> I have to test the 1.5 tree on my intel ... >_<
[16:15] < esden> argh ... I need more time
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[16:15] < huebi> esden: update Build-All. The new version now really does not erase anything.
[16:15] < snyke> omg
[16:15] < esden> *jump_like_an_insane*
[16:15] < snyke> sloooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooow
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[16:15] < esden> huebi: ohh ... ok ... did I oversee something ?
[16:16] < huebi> esden: Yes nearly at the bottom there is a second call.
[16:16] < esden> ok
[16:16] < esden> argh ... I have to get a shower ... I have to leave in 15 mins !!
[16:16] < esden> cu guys
[16:16] < snyke> cu
[16:16] < snyke> esden
[16:16] < [anders]> cya esden
[16:17] < thalerim> apropos kernel compilation
[16:17] < huebi> cu all. I'm leaving now, too
[16:17] < thalerim> urgs
[16:17] < thalerim> bye
[16:17] < Mike1> by huebi
[16:17] < [anders]> cya huebi
[16:18] < huebi> "Heinerfest"
[16:18] < thalerim> ??
[16:19] < thalerim> For all non german speakers, huebi means he'll be back as _very_ drunken master-dude
[16:19] < [anders]> thalerim: *grin*
[16:19] < Mike1> huebi: have fun !! ;-)
[16:20] [anders] should pick up a bottle of Gin tonight to go with the Tonic and the Ice...
[16:20] < huebi> in Darmstadt. 4 tAGE LANG
[16:20] < Mike1> thalerim: thanks for the translation :)
[16:20] < [anders]> huebi: you'll be drinking for 4 days??
[16:20] < thalerim> yes
[16:20] < [anders]> ouch!
[16:20] < thalerim> absolutely normal
[16:20] < Mike1> huebi: damn
[16:21] < thalerim> hey guys! we're talking about _huebi_, you see?
[16:21] < Mike1> thalerim: yes you are right its _huebi_
[16:22] < thalerim> sure we're talking about the same _huebi_? I mean the _huebi_ keeping a always smoking cow called Mathilda at his home
[16:30] < [anders]> smoking cow?
[16:30] < [anders]> muh?
[16:30] < thalerim> yeah
[16:30] < Mike1> no... muuuhh!
[16:30] < Mike1> ;-)
[16:31] < [anders]> Mike1: I grew up next door to a farm.. I know what cows sound like.. ;-)
[16:31] < Mike1> [anders]: hehe
[16:31] [anders] also makes a rather good impression of a sheep.. (bleating wise)
[16:31] < thalerim> [anders]: but huebi's one sounds strangely!
[16:32] < [anders]> thalerim: you mean it coughs?
[16:32] < th> huebi: where is mathilda?
[16:32] < thalerim> [anders]: a mixture between to moo and to cough
[16:33] < thalerim> th: huebi was and is going to get drunken
[16:33] < th> thalerim: with his cows?
[16:33] < [anders]> thalerim: no no no, not 'drunken'.. 'drunk'... :-D
[16:34] < thalerim> as far as i know drunken is right as well
[16:34] < [anders]> it is?
[16:34] < thalerim> could be slang
[16:34] < thalerim> or american english
[16:34] < [anders]> let me check with some english people here.. :)
[16:35] < Mike1> [anders]: drunk
[16:35] < thalerim> th: do you know what the "Heinerfest" is?
[16:35] < th> no
[16:35] < thalerim> in any case he's going to visit it
[16:35] < th> yea i read that
[16:37] < thalerim> [anders]: and?
[16:38] < Mike1> [anders]: so you finished ur build?
[16:39] < [anders]> thalerim: 'drunken' is valid (ish) but not in future tense, when you talk about someone going to get drunk, you would not use 'drunken'.. 'pissed', 'hammered', 'slaughtered' are all valid words however.. :)
[16:40] < thalerim> hmpf
[16:40] < [anders]> Mike1: no, on target to finish before 10pm CET though... :)
[16:40] < Mike1> [anders]: i am still stuck with Linux on stage 3, huebi's patches didnt help, i certainly dont know what to do :(
[16:41] < thalerim> same error?
[16:41] < Mike1> thalerim: yes :(
[16:42] < thalerim> paste it again it please!
[16:42] < thalerim> oops, an 'it' too much
[16:45] < Mike1> Makefile:244: arch//Makefile: No such file or directory
[16:45] < Mike1> make: *** No rule to make target `arch//Makefile'. Stop.
[16:45] < Mike1> i dont know where is the : arch//Makefile thing but it certanly is my problem
[16:46] < thalerim> arch/Makefile exists?
[16:46] < Mike1> s/certanly/certainly
[16:46] < h0h0> cd /usr/src/sys/arch/i386/conf; config GENERIC; cd ../compile/GENERIC; make
[16:46] < thalerim> well, browse through the Makefile, esp. the line 244
[16:46] < Mike1> h0h0: sys = linux?
[16:47] h0h0 enjoys randomly typeing bsd build commands to #rocklinux
[16:47] < Mike1> ggrrrr
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[16:48] < thaly|aw> cya later
[16:48] < Mike1> bye thaly|aw
[16:49] < [anders]> Mike1: I get the impression that there is something missing in that line.. "arch//Makefile" makes me think there should be something between the two '//'...
[16:49] < [anders]> cya thaly|aw
[16:50] < Mike1> [anders]: yes i spect it should be i386
[16:51] < Mike1> but i dont know where i could find that line so i can do it by hand at least
[16:51] < Mike1> :(
[16:51] < [anders]> Mike1: and you followed the build instructions point by point? You ran the Config script as well?
[16:52] < [anders]> as in , did you select the architecture and the CPU type to compile for?
[16:52] < Mike1> yes of course my friend
[16:52] < [anders]> hmmmmm....
[16:52] < [anders]> I did not see that problem, so I wonder what I did different...
[16:53] < Mike1> i will keep looking
[16:53] < [anders]> I extracted kernel 2.4.18 in /usr/src , cpoied a .config into it, did make oldconfig dep and then I started on the ROCK build..
[16:54] < [anders]> I wonder if your rock-src-1.5.16.tar.bz2 is slightly different to mine...
[16:54] < Mike1> whick tar.bz2 you used? the one included on the rock-15.16-src.iso?
[16:55] < [anders]> Mike1: no, I downloaded the one : https://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.16/rock-src-1.5.16.tar.bz2
[16:55] < Mike1> i think its actually the same
[16:55] < Mike1> not sure though
[16:56] < [anders]> quite probably, generated on 19th June?
[16:56] < Mike1> mmm yeah
[16:56] < Mike1> i think there is a newer one right?
[16:56] < [anders]> Actually, no. they are different.. the timestamps are different..
[16:57] Mike1 removing stuff to restart build again :(
[16:57] < [anders]> the one on the ISO has time 20-Jun-2002 08:22 and the one I gave the link to has time 19-Jun-2002 12:23
[16:57] < [anders]> Without diff'ing them, I can't tell if they really are different..
[16:59] < Mike1> so you recomend that i use 19?
[16:59] < Mike1> in stead of 20?
[17:00] < [anders]> I used the one with slightly older time-stamp..
[17:01] < [anders]> Mike1: Let me DL them and compare them..
[17:01] < Mike1> ok
[17:02] < [anders]> okay, you want what installed, and where? Do you want the partition mounted somewhere? Or did you want the distribution installed somewhere?
[17:03] < [anders]> erk!
[17:03] < [anders]> wrong chan/win
[17:04] < [anders]> Mike1: use the one from the 19th.. There is a fair few changes between the two..
[17:05] < [anders]> Ok, so you made a partition, boot redhat and point redhat at that partition.. :)
[17:05] < [anders]> aaaaaarrrrgh!!
[17:06] < [anders]> too many windows, to much to type..
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[17:29] < [anders]> Mike1: what was that error again?
[17:33] < Mike1> i dont know where is the : arch//Makefile thing but it certanly is my problem
[17:33] < Mike1> mm... mom
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[17:34] < Mike1> Makefile:244: arch//Makefile: No such file or directory
[17:34] < Mike1> make: *** No rule to make target `arch//Makefile'. Stop.
[17:34] < Mike1> thats the erro [anders]
[17:37] < [anders]> any idea what makefile it is?
[17:39] < [anders]> it isn't a makefile in the rock-src-1.5.16 tree.. No Makefile is being modified in there...
[17:39] < Mike1> i think it could be /usr/src/linux/arch/i386/Makefile
[17:39] < Mike1> but i am not sure
[17:39] < Mike1> what do you think?
[17:41] < [anders]> I'd guess that is the case, so for some reason your build env is not picking up the correct $ARCH
[17:42] < Mike1> yes
[17:42] < Mike1> i am going back to code and see how to fix it
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[17:43] < Mike1> re bluefire
[17:47] < bluefire> Grrr. Provider.... grrr
[17:48] < Mike1> bluefire: DSL?
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[17:54] < bluefire> Grrrrrr.... provider grrrrr
[17:54] < Mike1> bluefire: mmm
[17:56] bluefire hates it when it leased line drops packets.
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[18:03] < uninvited> tach! --- greetings!
[18:03] < Mike1> Hey there uninvited
[18:03] < bluefire> Hi uninvited
[18:08] < uninvited> what is charset 1250?
[18:11] < Ge0rG> windows stuff?
[18:11] < Ge0rG> mhm... someone should try XFree86_SVGA on the krups
[18:12] < uninvited> gonna run irssi under gnome now...cya soon
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[18:13] < th> Ge0rG: try it!
[18:14] < Ge0rG> th: I'm too busy preparing my report
[18:15] < th> Ge0rG: we are all too busy
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[18:20] < uninvited> back
[18:20] < Mike1> re uninvited on irssi
[18:20] < uninvited> hello
[18:20] < Mike1> :)
[18:21] < Mike1> [anders]: i started over a new build wish me luck
[18:22] < uninvited> Hmmm works quite well, but the letters suck ;-)
[18:22] < [anders]> Mike1: good luck! :)
[18:22] < Mike1> [anders]: BTW i am going to use the 19th snapshot
[18:23] < [anders]> Mike1: there was very little in the 19th one to cause me problems.. I will eventually set up things to pull snaps via CVS..
[18:23] < esden> re hi all
[18:23] < [anders]> rehi esden
[18:23] < Mike1> re hi esden
[18:24] < Mike1> [anders]: ok so now could you tell me what things you fixed so i dont have to deal with this :)
[18:25] < Mike1> [anders]: nice i didnt have any trouble with kernel headers on stage 1 with this snap :)
[18:25] < [anders]> Mike1: in base-archive, I made a sym-link, 'ln -s linux linus-src'
[18:26] < Mike1> what do you need that for?
[18:26] < [anders]> Mike1: then I added the line "CONFIG_IPV6 2002-07-05 2.4.18 IPV6 fucks up" to the file rock-src-1.5.16/misc/linux/disable-broken.lst
[18:27] < [anders]> Mike1: in stage 1, it tries to build linux-src, which doesn't exist..
[18:27] < Mike1> == 11:20:57 07/05/02 =[1]=> Finished building package linux-src.
[18:27] < [anders]> Mike1: ok, so you didn't get that problem then. :-)
[18:28] < [anders]> you might not come across the ipv6 issue either.. I don't know, but it was stumping me for a while..
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[18:29] < uninvite1> Hmmm
[18:36] < [anders]> right, going away until I get home.. cya guys later..
[18:37] < Mike1> cu [anders]
[18:38] < esden> cu all
[18:39] < Mike1> leaving esden?
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[18:57] < Mike1> Anyone knows about a package to for sendmail log analisys and statistics, sort of like webalizer does for apache?
[18:59] < uninvite1> argh!!! nooooo..hdd crash on second machine !
[18:59] < uninvite1> 30 gb full of video n audio gone !
[18:59] < uninvite1> weeeeeeeep!!!
[19:00] < Mike1> WOW
[19:00] < Mike1> Are you happy?
[19:00] < Mike1> *g
[19:00] < uninvite1> hmmmmm...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr
[19:00] < uninvite1> *G*
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[19:13] < Mike1> hi holyolli
[19:14] < snyke> hi holyolli
[19:15] < tomik> hi holyolli
[19:27] < bluefire> Bye
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[19:31] < holyolli> ups
[19:31] < holyolli> hi
[19:31] < holyolli> <-- just didn't want to go into irc...
[19:31] < holyolli> ("verklickt" ;)
[19:31] < holyolli> hi Mike1, snyke, tomik.....and bye ;-)
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[20:09] < huebi> re
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[20:27] < Ge0rG> re
[20:27] < huebi> re Ge0rG
[21:00] < huebi> qt is now running. for 90 min or so ....
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[21:29] < Mike1> re
[21:36] < [anders]> re Mike1
[21:37] < [anders]> arrrf!! Debian Woody uses the new tar... and ROCK 1.5.16 is expecting the old tar...
[21:39] < Mike1> [anders]: anders to upack bz2 files?
[21:46] < [anders]> Mike1: yeah...
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[21:46] < [anders]> It is about time ROCK shifted over to the new tar..
[21:46] < Mike1> [anders]: also you could fix the pkg.conf files ur self *G
[21:47] < snyke> *pling*
[21:50] < [anders]> Mike1: hehehe.. I think I just might do that.. :)
[21:52] < Mike1> [anders]: have fun my friend
[21:54] < [anders]> Mike1: Well, since I am rebuilding everything again anyway... I might as well get a few things fixed that has been bugging me..
[21:54] < Mike1> how come ur rebuilding?
[21:54] < Mike1> i thought you were almost finished
[21:57] < huebi> re Miguel
[21:57] < huebi> re Anders
[21:57] < Mike1> Master huebi i thought you were drunk
[21:58] < Mike1> *g
[21:58] < huebi> Mike1: should I build a rock-src package for you?
[21:58] < Mike1> huebi: what do you mean?
[21:58] < [anders]> Mike1: I was only building this one to get back into it and also to flush out build breaks..
[21:58] < [anders]> re huebi
[21:59] < [anders]> huebi: getting drunk yet?
[21:59] < huebi> Mike1: no, I went to town to meet my wife and my daughter. Not to drink something.
[21:59] < huebi> ;-)
[21:59] < Mike1> hehe good huebi
[22:00] < Mike1> [anders]: oh so you are building on rock?
[22:00] < huebi> But here must be some cold beers in the fridge.
[22:00] < [anders]> Mike1: building on Debian Woody..
[22:00] < Mike1> huebi: hehe
[22:00] < huebi> re snyke
[22:00] < [anders]> got to go, back later perhaps.. :)
[22:00] < Mike1> [anders]: ever tryed to build on slackware?
[22:00] < huebi> cu [anders]
[22:00] < Mike1> its a pain in the ass
[22:00] < Mike1> [anders]: n8
[22:01] < Mike1> huebi: ok so what were you saying about building a rock-src for me?
[22:03] < huebi> Mike1: yes, a copy of my build tree
[22:03] < Mike1> i would really apreciate that my friend
[22:03] < huebi> But I have to wait for 30 min till qt is finished.
[22:04] < Mike1> huebi: no problem
[22:04] < huebi> ;-)
[22:04] < Mike1> having a copy of Master huebi's build tree
[22:04] < Mike1> quite an honor thanks :)
[22:05] < huebi> Mike1: Absolutely no problem ;-)
[22:07] < Mike1> huebi: you got an Ultra 5 running rock 1.5.x?
[22:07] < Mike1> ???
[22:11] < huebi> Mike1: Yes, it's 1.5.12 IIRC
[22:12] < Mike1> huebi: way cool
[22:12] < Mike1> does it work stable enough for production?
[22:13] < huebi> Sorry, wrong version ;-)
[22:13] < huebi> root@fels:~# cat /etc/VERSION
[22:13] < huebi> ROCK Linux 1.5.16 sparc64 (native, 2002/06/21)
[22:14] < Mike1> way cool :)
[22:14] < huebi> Mike1: Yes, it works very stable. (except Ella does not push the power button ;>)
[22:14] < Mike1> hehe
[22:15] < Mike1> can i have an iso of ur sparc64 install disk?
[22:18] < huebi> I installed it by copying all packets by hand and I booted it with The splack CD
[22:18] < Mike1> lol
[22:18] < Mike1> where did you get a splack cd?
[22:18] < huebi> But for next week I planned to build a first bootable CD
[22:19] < Mike1> yes me too
[22:19] < Mike1> we are taling at #linux-sparc about it actually
[22:19] < huebi> Mike1: I downloaded 1.5.12 and the Splack image from yuor server.
[22:19] < Mike1> lol
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[22:19] < huebi> /join #linux-sparc
[22:19] < Mike1> never thought it would be usefull
[22:20] < Mike1> i had no sparc when i gave them to you
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[22:26] < tsa> hi
[22:27] < Mike1> re t
[22:27] < Mike1> tsa :)
[22:28] < huebi> == 20:54:00 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17].
[22:28] < huebi> == 22:27:59 07/05/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt.
[22:28] < tsa> hi Mike1
[22:28] < Mike1> :)
[22:28] < huebi> moin tsa
[22:28] < Mike1> cool huebi
[22:28] < tsa> hi huebi
[22:29] < huebi> that was with make -j16 ;-) 94min
[22:29] < huebi> Creating tars/ia32-qt.tar.bz2 ... 22M
[22:31] < huebi> tsa: How are you?
[22:32] < tsa> huebi: fine, thanks.
[22:33] < huebi> tsa: me too. The kernel now builds again.
[22:33] < tsa> cool.
[22:33] < tsa> what did you change?
[22:34] Mike1 cant wait to see huebi's build tree
[22:36] huebi is uploading...
[22:37] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-src-1.5.17-DEV-Miguel-Edition.tar.bz2
[22:37] < Mike1> haha
[22:37] < tsa> hehe
[22:37] < Mike1> damn this is quite an honor
[22:38] < huebi> Miguel, you're welcome.
[22:39] < huebi> tsa: [anders] found out that CONFIG_IPV6 broke the kernel build.
[22:40] < huebi> And I reviewd the build scripts again and agin till I understood all.
[22:41] < Mike1> anyone has ever made isos from a cdrom with svcd format?
[22:41] < huebi> Mike1: Do you've got it?
[22:41] < Mike1> huebi: yes i do
[22:41] < Mike1> thanks you :)
[22:41] < huebi> pleasure
[22:41] < Mike1> so this is the oficial first release of 1.5.17?
[22:42] < huebi> Mike1: No, it's _no_ official release because it is not enough tested to be official.
[22:42] < Mike1> hehe ok
[22:42] < Mike1> first snap :)
[22:42] < huebi> Mike1: But the build should work fine now.
[22:43] < Mike1> no packages updated?
[22:43] < huebi> only OpenSSH to 3.4p1
[22:43] < huebi> IIRC
[22:44] < Mike1> got a rock-src-1.5.17-Miguel-Edition.iso?
[22:44] < Mike1> *G
[22:44] < huebi> *g*
[23:05] < Mike1> i have to doing somthing see you in 1/2 a bit :)
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[23:36] < Mike1> re
[23:36] < huebi> re Mike1
[23:36] < huebi> ;-)
[23:37] < Mike1> :)
[23:37] < Mike1> i now start Building rock-1.5.17-Miguel-Version
[23:39] < huebi> Mike1: I found a definition how your kernel source tree under /usr/src/linu has to be prepared:
[23:39] < huebi> cd /usr/src
[23:39] < Mike1> on my current system?
[23:39] < Mike1> or my $root for the build?
[23:39] < huebi> yes, on your current system.
[23:40] < huebi> in $root it's done by the scripts.
[23:40] Mike1 listening
[23:40] < Mike1> ok tell me
[23:40] < Mike1> BTW i am running rock 1.5.16 on my system
[23:40] < huebi> jo
[23:40] < huebi> cd /usr/src
[23:40] < Mike1> *g
[23:40] < Mike1> ..
[23:41] < Mike1> root@marte:/usr/src# pwd
[23:41] < Mike1> /usr/src
[23:41] < Mike1> root@marte:/usr/src#
[23:41] < huebi> tar -xvIf /<path_to_the_src_tar_ball>/linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2
[23:41] < huebi> cd linux
[23:42] < Mike1> wait
[23:42] < huebi> yes y | make config
[23:42] < huebi> make symlinks.
[23:42] < Mike1> i already have already kernel 2.4.18 on it
[23:42] < huebi> ok
[23:42] < huebi> then go in
[23:42] < Mike1> the one that comes with rock 1.5.16
[23:42] < huebi> make menuconfig
[23:43] < Mike1> ok so i cd /usr/src/linux/ ; make menuconfig
[23:43] < Mike1> ...
[23:43] < huebi> exit menuconfig _without_ saving the new config so that you keep your old one.
[23:43] < huebi> make symlinks
[23:44] < Mike1> looks like you have been talking to [anders]
[23:44] < huebi> Thats all
[23:44] < Mike1> now what ...
[23:44] < Mike1> ok
[23:44] < Mike1> i try now
[23:44] < huebi> No, I looked into the buildscripts and testet them.
[23:44] < Mike1> hehe nice
[23:44] < Mike1> should i still .. make symlinks on it?
[23:45] < huebi> And I erased all my kernel sources because I did not need them and had to mention that rock linux needs them.
[23:45] < Mike1> i see
[23:46] < huebi> yes, do a make symlinks.
[23:46] < huebi> then you will have:
[23:46] < Mike1> nice it doesnt run clenup by the defaul anymore
[23:46] < huebi> /usr/include/linux/autoconf.h
[23:46] < huebi> Mike1: Cleanup killed many builds ;((
[23:47] < Mike1> yes i know
[23:47] < tsa> cu all.
[23:47] < huebi> It's better to use it only manually.
[23:47] < Mike1> so i dont need to 'touch _nodel_' anymore?
[23:47] < tsa> n8
[23:47] < huebi> n8 tsa
[23:47] < Mike1> n8 tsa
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[23:48] < huebi> not with your special snapshot.
[23:48] < Mike1> hehe
[23:48] < Mike1> it feels really weird to have a snapshot specially build for me
[23:49] < Mike1> still i hope it can be usefull for others and not only for me
[23:49] < Mike1> ;)
[23:50] < huebi> for ia32 it's allmost final I think. But for the other architectures it must be heavyly testet
[23:50] < Mike1> == 10:46:56 07/05/02 =[1]=> Finished building package linux-src.
[23:50] < Mike1> no problem i am testing it on sparc64 this weekend
[23:52] < huebi> I'll start that, too. ;-)
[23:52] < huebi> and also on alpha...
[23:53] < Mike1> so i guess we will have to keep in touch during the weekend to fix possible bugs
[23:53] < Mike1> i dont have an alpha :((
[23:53] < huebi> Mike1: tHAT'S A VERY GOOD IDEA ;-)
[23:54] < Mike1> ;) thanks you Master
[23:54] < huebi> * beeping capslock needed*
[23:58] < Mike1> actually why wait to the weekend?
[23:58] < Mike1> i can start now :)
[23:58] < huebi> good idea.. ;)
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