-!- Irrsi Log opened Mon Jul 08 00:00:42 2002
[00:01] < bluefire> Good night
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[00:04] < tsa> n8
[00:05] < huebi> nacht tsa
[00:05] < tsa> cu huebi
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[00:24] < holyolli> huebi: wann wolltest du den 1.5.17 snap machen?
[00:25] < huebi> sobald ich linux, linux-src, linux-header eingebaut habe. So morgen mittag bis morgen abend ca.
[00:26] < holyolli> o.k. - ich werde dann bis dahin noch ein paar alpha-patches submitten
[00:26] < huebi> holyolli: jo, klasse
[00:26] < holyolli> warum werden eigendlich bei einem commit auch files auf dem cvs-server geupdated, die ich nicht angefasst habe?
[00:28] < huebi> holyolli: Welche genau? da gibt es noch log und lock files.
[00:28] < holyolli> /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/Documentation/LSM
[00:28] < holyolli> /home/rockcvs/cvs/rock-1.5/arch-conf/ia32/gcc-options-k7
[00:28] < holyolli> zum beispiel
[00:28] < holyolli> die hab ich definitiv nicht geändert
[00:29] < huebi> das sind autogenerated files von scripts/Puzzle.
[00:29] < holyolli> axxo...ups
[00:29] < huebi> mom
[00:30] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/arch-conf/ia32/gcc-options-k7 <- da habe ich die config in arch-conf/ia32/buildit.sh geaendert.
[00:31] < holyolli> sorry
[00:31] < esden> huebi: du woltest bild/url: https://cheron.homeip.net/schmollfeng.jpg
[00:31] < huebi> das war dann bei dir noch nicht drinn und cvs hat das noch einmal commited.
[00:33] < esden> huebi: noch wach ?
[00:33] < huebi> holyolli: du kannst auch einfach jede Datei einzeln commiten oder cvs diff -NU in rock-1.5 zeigt dir _alle_veraenderungen an.
[00:34] < huebi> esden: das ist von ihr gemalt?
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[00:34] < holyolli> huebi: ah...danke
[00:34] < huebi> a/NU/Nu/
[00:34] < holyolli> https://arnep.de/wasist?
[00:35] < esden> huebi: jups
[00:36] < holyolli> so..ich geh nu schlafen... gute nacht euch allen
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[02:01] < huebi> a few updates:
[02:01] < huebi> root@zeus:/rock-linux# find . -name *cksum-err | sed s/.cksum-err//
[02:01] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/alsa/alsa-driver-0.9.0rc2.tar.bz2
[02:01] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/alsa/alsa-lib-0.9.0rc2.tar.bz2
[02:01] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/alsa/alsa-utils-0.9.0rc2.tar.bz2
[02:01] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/bonobo/bonobo-1.0.20.tar.gz
[02:01] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/esound/esound-0.2.28.tar.bz2
[02:01] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/gdk-pixbuf/gdk-pixbuf-0.18.0.tar.gz
[02:01] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/gdm/gdm-2.2.5.5.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/glade/glade-0.6.4.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/gnome-control-center/control-center-1.4.0.5.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/gnome-core/gnome-core-1.4.1.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/gnome-games/gnome-games-1.4.0.4.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/gnome-libs/gnome-libs-1.4.1.7.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/gnome-print/gnome-print-0.36.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/imagemagick/ImageMagick-5.4.7-1.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/intltool/intltool-0.22.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/librep/librep-0.16.1.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/libxml2/libxml2-2.4.23.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/libxslt/libxslt-1.0.19.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/mesalib/MesaDemos-4.0.3.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/mesalib/MesaLib-4.0.3.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/oaf/oaf-0.6.10.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/orbit/ORBit-0.5.17.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/quota/quota-3.06.tar.gz
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/kdelibs/arts-1.0.2.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/base-archive/kdelibs/kdelibs-3.0.2.tar.bz2
[02:02] < huebi> ./dist/rock-orig/opt-archive/kernel/linux-2.2.21.tar.bz2
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[05:10] < huebi> == 05:03:42 07/08/02 =[1]=> Finished building package linux-header.
[05:10] < huebi> == 05:03:42 =[1]=> Building base package linux-src [2.4.18 1.5.17].
[05:10] < huebi> Pkg-Config: linux-src.desc linux-src.conf done.
[05:10] < huebi> Building. Writing output to /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/1-linux-src.out
[05:10] < huebi> /rock-linux/dist/var/adm/logs/1-linux-src.out -> 1-linux-src.log
[05:10] < huebi> == 05:04:22 07/08/02 =[1]=> Finished building package linux-src.
[05:10] < huebi> == 05:04:22 =[1]=> Building base package glibc [2.2.5 1.5.17].
[05:10] < huebi> The new package linux-header now works fine
[05:10] < huebi> also linux-src
[05:35] < huebi> == 05:34:53 =[2]=> Building base package binutils [2.12.90.0.11 1.5.17].
[05:36] < huebi> Stage 1 finished successfull
[05:36] < huebi> +y?
[05:39] < huebi> good night.
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[07:37] < [anders]> moin
[07:37] < [anders]> i'll be of to work in a bit.. so back in about 1.5h.. :)
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[08:44] < bluefire> Hi
[08:53] < huebi> moin bluefire ;-)
[08:59] < rxr> re
[08:59] < huebi> moin rene
[08:59] < huebi> ;-)
[09:01] < [anders]> moin
[09:01] < huebi> rxr: The new linux-header, linux-src and linux packages work fine
[09:01] < huebi> moin [anders]
[09:01] < [anders]> huebi: you did not get much sleep.. :)
[09:03] < [anders]> huebi: the 1.5.17 archive you made available yesterday, is that a plain CVS export or a checkout ?
[09:03] < huebi> [anders]: Right, but now the new linux-header, linux-src and linux packages work fine. something I wanted to have since at least since June 18
[09:03] < esden> morning
[09:03] < [anders]> re esden
[09:03] < huebi> [anders]: It's a cvs checkout.
[09:03] < esden> re [anders]
[09:03] < huebi> moin esden ;-))
[09:03] < esden> moin huebi
[09:04] < esden> *zitter*
[09:04] < [anders]> huebi: kool (and the gang).. So now ROCK behaves much like Debian then.. Headers separate from kernel sources and kernel install package.. :)
[09:04] < [anders]> zitter ?
[09:04] < huebi> ( #rocklinux gets back to live at 9am...
[09:04] < esden> *shiver*
[09:05] < [anders]> esden: aahh.. :)
[09:06] < esden> ok
[09:06] < esden> cu then
[09:06] < huebi> [anders]: I seems that many distros have made this decision.
[09:06] < huebi> esden: when do you come back?
[09:06] < [anders]> huebi: probably for good reasons..
[09:06] < huebi> cu esden
[09:07] < [anders]> no point in having kernel source and headers installed if no development ever is going to take place..
[09:07] < [anders]> I am forever compiling _something_ so for me the headers and kernel source is handy..
[09:08] < SMP> morning,
[09:09] < [anders]> morning Stefan
[09:09] < huebi> [anders]: Now where I start to understand these quite complex and not very obvious stuff (glibc, kernel, gcc) I also start to understand the other dsitibutions.
[09:09] < [anders]> (I did spell that right?)
[09:09] < SMP> [anders]: ack
[09:09] < huebi> Moin SMP. Nice to see you back here ;-))
[09:10] SMP accidentially fell asleep yesterday evening ;-}
[09:11] < [anders]> *lol*
[09:11] < [anders]> Tea time..
[09:11] < huebi> [anders]: And now you can delete old kernel sources without deleting your kernel itself.
[09:11] < [anders]> huebi: which is good news.. :)
[09:11] < huebi> or the header files.
[09:12] < [anders]> excellent work there huebi...
[09:12] < huebi> I teste a pkg-remove linux myself. Nice surprice while rebooting.
[09:12] < huebi> +t
[09:12] < [anders]> -t+d
[09:12] < huebi> heh, thanks
[09:12] < huebi> hehe, thanks
[09:12] < [anders]> or tried even.. :)
[09:13] < huebi> jo, even better ;-))
[09:13] < [anders]> Humma.. so what have you changed in 1.5.17 compared with 1.5.16 ?
[09:13] < [anders]> I could do a diff, but that is tedious.. easier to just ask you.. :)
[09:15] < huebi> well, since you got the snap I made also ~26 pkg updates.
[09:15] rxr two more mirrors synced
[09:15] < huebi> all gnome pks are now up to date.
[09:15] < huebi> rxr: kool
[09:15] rxr showering
[09:15] < huebi> alsa is up to date, to
[09:16] < [anders]> huebi: so yet another 1.5.17.tar.bz2 for DL then? :)
[09:16] < huebi> +o
[09:16] < huebi> I just think about that
[09:20] huebi taging
[09:22] [anders] awaiting the new snap..
[09:22] < huebi> * taging started
[09:23] < [anders]> I'll probably copy bits from the new snap, stick it in my tree and build that... :)
[09:24] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/ <- here is the changelog, updated every minute if something did change
[09:26] huebi cvs co
[09:27] < [anders]> is ther einstructions anywhere for how to do a cvs co myself?
[09:28] < SMP> no, anonymous cvs isn't available yet
[09:28] < [anders]> shame.. would be nice to be able to pull a snap now and then....
[09:29] < huebi> [anders]: Not yet. SMP is woring hard on that issue. cvspserver is not secure enough and he works on an anonymous ssh solution. SMP, am iright?
[09:30] < [anders]> ssh is cool.. :)
[09:30] < SMP> yeah, I'll be using the OpenBSD tools and docs.
[09:30] < [anders]> good choice.. :)
[09:32] < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.17/rock-src-1_5_17_2002-07-08_09h20.tar.bz2
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[09:36] < tsa> tag.
[09:36] < rxr> moin tsa
[09:37] < huebi> tsa: tach auch ;-)
[09:38] < tsa> hi rxr
[09:38] < tsa> hi huebi
[09:38] < [anders]> huebi: got it.. Will do a diff and start copying my changes across... Once I am done, I will download the missing packages and spin a build..
[09:38] < rxr> shit GNU/auto* fluff ...
[09:38] < tsa> hi [anders]
[09:39] < huebi> rxr: jojo... ;-)
[09:39] < [anders]> re tsa, rxr
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[10:31] < SMP> anoncvs progress looks very good right now..
[10:31] < huebi> SMP: koool ;-)
[10:33] < huebi> And linux-header works now fine. In the moment the build order is linux-header linux-src linu. I'll have to change it to linux-src linux linux-header. Then all header files are in the right plase.
[10:33] < huebi> or should be.
[10:37] huebi testing the new build order...
[11:00] [anders] cut the first CD-RW yesterday with ROCK 1.5.16(k7) on it...
[11:00] < huebi> [anders]: nice
[11:01] < [anders]> well, it is a EIDE CD-RW so I wanted to test it.. :)
[11:01] < huebi> [anders]: and you have with your build a very good optimasation for k7:
[11:01] < [anders]> unfortunately the CD-RW media only does 4X recording..
[11:01] < huebi> root@zeus:/rock-linux# cat arch-conf/ia32/gcc-options-k7
[11:01] < huebi> "-O3", "-march=i686", "-fforce-addr", "-mcpu=i686"
[11:01] < [anders]> huebi: I'll spin a build for i686 now I think..
[11:02] < [anders]> huebi: err, so the k7 build installs cleanly (and runs no problem) on a P-III ?
[11:02] < [anders]> I would have thought there to be more tweaks to the k7 build.. :)
[11:02] < huebi> [anders]: The k7 gcc options are much faster (12% or so) on k7
[11:03] < [anders]> but it will run on i686 ?
[11:03] < huebi> [anders]: No, the kernel does not boot on P-III
[11:03] < fake> huebi: did you apply for LinuxKongress ?
[11:03] < huebi> the rest should work.
[11:03] < [anders]> Aaahh, so I still need to spin a i686 build.. :)
[11:04] < SMP> dum-dudum
[11:07] < huebi> fake: Not yet. It's on my TODO list for today.
[11:07] < huebi> [anders]: It should be sifficient if you yust rebuild the pkg linux.
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[11:14] < fake> huebi: cool.
[11:17] < SMP> ok, please test the anoncvs:
[11:17] < SMP> cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5
[11:17] < [anders]> huebi: so I should be able to build a complete i686 build, and build an additional k7 linux pkg, then create a special boot table for the ISO that will boot either a k7 or a i686 kernel for the install?
[11:17] < SMP> tell me if it hangs at the end
[11:17] < tsa> cvs [checkout aborted]: cannot exec rsh: Permission denied
[11:18] < SMP> tsa: ugh.
[11:18] < SMP> export CVS_RSH=ssh
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[11:18] < [anders]> SMP: it is working.. :)
[11:18] < tsa> ok, looks good.
[11:18] huebi waiting for the hang at the end.
[11:19] < tsa> finished.
[11:19] < tsa> no hang
[11:23] < SMP> everyone finished successfully?
[11:23] < huebi> SMP: jo!
[11:23] < huebi> SMP: I just stoped the fierst co.
[11:23] < tsa> +p-e
[11:23] < tsa> ;-)
[11:24] < huebi> and started asecond one which finished perfectly
[11:24] < huebi> tsa: *g* dankoe...
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[11:30] < SMP> I think it's OK as it is now.
[11:31] < huebi> SMP: export CVS_RSH=ssh; cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5 ?
[11:31] < huebi> SMP: anoncvs for 1.5 now up: export CVS_RSH=ssh; cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5 ?
[11:31] < huebi> for easyier c&p
[11:32] < SMP> all that stuff is running chrooted and I import the master tree every 10 minutes via local rsync
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[11:32] < SMP> huebi: no, it's correct as it is
[11:33] < huebi> ok
[11:33] < SMP> 'name=value command' sets $name just for the invocation of 'command'
[11:41] < esden> morning @ all
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[11:42] < uninvited> Moinsen !
[11:46] < tsa> hi uninvited
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[11:48] < tsa> hi uninvite1
[11:51] < esden> tsa: danke fuer die email ... ich weiss jetzt dass gott hinter uns steht ;-)
[11:51] < tsa> hehe
[11:56] < tsa> esden: bilde dir da nicht zu viel drauf ein - auch wenn gott hinter dir stehen mag: er spuckt angeblich den leuten gerne mal in den nacken ;-)
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[11:56] < [anders]> SMP: finished ok. :)
[11:57] < esden> ja ... dass weiss ich ... gott ist ja eine verspielete frau ... dass weisst doch ;-)
[11:57] < odd_amrimp> Does Dimitar come to IRC?,
[11:57] < odd_amrimp> I noted his email to the list regarding gcc-v2 wrapper stuff,
[11:58] < odd_amrimp> but he was saying for v3 he wanted to test first...,
[11:58] < odd_amrimp> and I was thinking about writing the same patch tonight (US, morning almost I guess)
[11:59] < odd_amrimp> The same problem exists on mips, since the ABIs' are incompatible between versions of the ISA
[11:59] < odd_amrimp> (when running the xgcc stuff)
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[12:04] < esden> cool ... the anoncvs works really good
[12:06] [anders] thinking about putting up my own private little CVS server...
[12:06] < [anders]> clone the Rock 1.5 tree and do some own work on it..
[12:07] < [anders]> feed back patches if I update extensions etc, but I have a few things I'd like my own way, and they are unlikely to make it into the full tree
[12:08] < [anders]> . o O (At least I now have a box to do these things on..)
[12:09] < huebi> [anders]: Yes, give it a try and have fun. ROCK Linux is intentionaly made to fit your own needs. Not the needs the distributor thinks you must have. ;-)
[12:17] < uninvite1> test
[12:17] < uninvite1> Hmmm. Damn you, "T" DSL
[12:18] < uninvite1> Someone in here living near FFM ???
[12:21] < huebi> uninvite1: jo.
[12:22] < uninvite1> Cool. How about getting a flat near FFM for about 4 weeks (or to keep it affordable: a few square meters and a bed ?)
[12:24] < huebi> uninvite1: How much might it cost?
[12:24] < tsa> eur 1,00 ;-)
[12:24] < uninvite1> Hmmm, lets say...EUR 200 ;-)
[12:25] < huebi> not that easy..
[12:25] < odd_amrimp> Geez..., per month?, I'm living in the wrong country
[12:25] < uninvite1> Size doesn t matter. Want a bed, a shower, a place for my machine and some stash for the Swedish Bikini Models i might bring with me.
[12:26] < uninvite1> ;-)
[12:26] < huebi> odd_amrimp: What would be the price in your country for a 90 m^m flat?
[12:27] < odd_amrimp> my rent is $2500USD, but I'm looking for cheaper ;)
[12:27] < huebi> uuhh
[12:29] < esden> ok ... cu guys
[12:29] < tsa> swedish bikini models?????????????????
[12:29] < tsa> Send Pics!!!!
[12:30] < uninvite1> odd> where do you live ? Mars ??? Moon ? *G* Hell, 90 sqm 2500 $ ? Per month ?
[12:30] < odd_amrimp> No, not 90sqm
[12:30] < odd_amrimp> Much more, but you can't get a place around here for less that 1400USD
[12:30] < uninvite1> odd> Come on tell me where do you live at ?
[12:30] < uninvite1> ;-)
[12:30] < odd_amrimp> US, Laguna Niguel, California ;-)
[12:31] < odd_amrimp> Seen that movie Orange County?, just came out a bit ago, heard it was horrible, that's where I live.
[12:31] < uninvite1> Oh ! Thats great. Then i would be happy to spend this much money ;-)
[12:31] < odd_amrimp> heh, take a number, that's why the price is so high.
[12:32] < uninvite1> odd> i m from germany - so these movies might be brought to us with small, not very fast ships or like that, because we all get em delayed for about 6 months - 1 year
[12:32] < odd_amrimp> Ah, bugger..., well, Orange County probably won't ever make it is my guess
[12:32] < uninvite1> Oh i see...
[12:33] < odd_amrimp> probably only appeals to people from the US, plus it didn't do that well at the box office
[12:33] < uninvite1> odd> hows the surfing near Laguna ?
[12:33] < odd_amrimp> hehe, not too bad I'm told, I haven't spent much time near the water since I lived up in Venice
[12:33] < uninvite1> Oh !
[12:33] < odd_amrimp> (Beach, California, not Italy)
[12:33] < uninvite1> Surfing places would be a *MUST* for me...
[12:34] < odd_amrimp> hehe, then you should go to Hawaii..., talk about waves
[12:34] < uninvite1> odd> yeah, have been to venice beach 3 years ago.
[12:34] < odd_amrimp> talk about expensive place to be though
[12:34] < uninvite1> hehehe
[12:34] < odd_amrimp> Nice, Venice is a trip, I grew up around there...
[12:34] < odd_amrimp> probably not the best place in the world to grow up around :), but fun to visit
[12:35] < uninvite1> Har Har Har !!!
[12:35] < uninvite1> *ROTFL*
[12:35] < odd_amrimp> hehe, yea, everytime at my uncles' house, we'd hear helicopters flying over head, cops flashing lights in the window, etc.
[12:35] < odd_amrimp> (at night, not so bad during the day)
[12:35] < uninvite1> Yeah not the best place to grow up. The locals show rude behavior when you try to get "their" wave ;-)
[12:36] < odd_amrimp> "rude behaviour" is an understatement ;)
[12:37] < uninvite1> odd> cops, helicopters, lights flashing, you sure talk about venice not on of these movie studios, don t you ?
[12:37] < odd_amrimp> I got whacked in the head a few times by various surfers, just boogie boarding
[12:37] < odd_amrimp> hehe, yes :), you apparently didn't go at night
[12:37] < odd_amrimp> They had a real crack problem in the 80s' and early 90s'
[12:38] < odd_amrimp> it's probably not as bad these days, haven't been there since the mid 90s'
[12:38] < uninvite1> odd> hehehehe, thats life, glad my friend brought his dog with him.
[12:38] < odd_amrimp> Ah, the chicks dig the dogs at the beach :)
[12:38] < uninvite1> I see. ;-)
[12:39] < uninvite1> They do same here if you bring a baby with you ;-)
[12:39] < tsa> hm...
[12:39] < tsa> is there a baby renting service?
[12:39] < tsa> ;-)
[12:39] < odd_amrimp> hehe
[12:39] < odd_amrimp> Yea, babies work too :)
[12:40] < uninvite1> No, we have one around here . So if i visit a place visited well by groupie material i take the baby with me.
[12:40] < odd_amrimp> so long as you explain it's your nephew or something
[12:40] < tsa> hehe, sure.
[12:40] < odd_amrimp> if it's your baby..., well, that's a whole different deal :)
[12:41] < uninvite1> it works well too if you say you re divorced or like that. Plus bonus if your wife died by car accident ;-) *har har har*
[12:43] < odd_amrimp> hehe, well, many girls in the US don't like baggage,
[12:43] < uninvite1> hehehe
[12:43] < odd_amrimp> babies are baggage, and ex-wifes are big time baggage
[12:43] < uninvite1> Hmmm, right.
[12:44] < odd_amrimp> Though..., the died by [cancer|caraccident], etc. could definetly work to an "care giver" instinct
[12:44] < uninvite1> It works quite well.
[12:45] < uninvite1> But the effect only takes a time window of about 2 hours. So you ll have to be fast - very must to be more precise.
[12:45] < uninvite1> er..very fast i mean.
[12:45] < odd_amrimp> so, you have to position your flat near the beach
[12:46] < odd_amrimp> Geez, horrible :), good thing my wifes not close by
[12:46] < odd_amrimp> i think I might just be spinning that story for real
[12:48] < uninvite1> Har Har Har ! Be sure to rm -rf /var/log/irc.log
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[12:56] < odd_amrimp> yea right :), my wife is suddenly going to become the unix expert
[12:57] < odd_amrimp> she calls me at work if I don't leave a browser running on the visible workspace
[12:58] < tsa> cu later.
[12:58] < uninvite1> Hmmmm, thats good old espionage tactics. Keeping low profile, always ready to start the surprise party !
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[13:20] < uninvited> re.
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[13:52] [anders] is starting to have a look at the differences between private 1.5.16 and 1.5.17.snapshot
[13:53] < huebi> ;-)
[13:53] < [anders]> and the result is a whooping 1.9MB diff !!
[13:53] < [anders]> Aaaargh!
[13:53] < [anders]> Ah well, time to tweak the bits that are useful.. :)
[13:53] < huebi> HMM. i WAS MORE PRODUCTIV AS i THOUGHT. *GG*
[13:54] < [anders]> hehehe
[13:54] < [anders]> I will be creating a private 1.5.17 which I will be tweaking.. I could always ship you the tar.bz2 when I am happy with it. :)
[13:55] < [anders]> that way, you can pick the bits you like from it..
[13:55] < huebi> [anders]: just upload it here:
[13:55] < huebi> ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload/
[14:03] < SMP> th just left the building ;)
[14:04] < snyke> ;)
[14:04] < snyke> re btw
[14:06] < [anders]> huebi: ok.. I'll try and remember that... :)
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[14:23] < armijn> re
[14:24] < odd_amrimp> Okay, so, I need to make sure a flag is passed to the compiler *every time*...
[14:24] < huebi> moin armijn
[14:24] < odd_amrimp> hi armijn
[14:24] < odd_amrimp> working on mips stuff..., mips3 in specific, trying desperately to avoid ABI mismatch
[14:25] < armijn> hi all
[14:25] < armijn> hi huebi
[14:25] < armijn> huebi: still no CDs :(
[14:25] < armijn> but I did clean my sparcstation 20 yesterday :)
[14:25] < armijn> hi odd_amrimp
[14:25] < armijn> odd_amrimp: which version are you working with? 1.5? 1.7?
[14:26] < huebi> armijn: The Create-CD script was broken. And I forgot the CD's to send.
[14:26] < armijn> huebi: forgot it again?
[14:26] < armijn> tsssk :)
[14:26] < huebi> armijn: Can you give me your address again?
[14:26] < armijn> huebi: heheh, sure :)
[14:27] < huebi> armijn: I build something interesting last night.
[14:27] < huebi> linux, linux-src and now -linux-header
[14:27] < armijn> huebi; be careful with that
[14:27] < huebi> armijn: jo ;-))
[14:28] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/linux-header/linux-header.conf?rev=1.4&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
[14:29] < armijn> huebi: when do you build these header files?
[14:29] < huebi> armijn: or just checkout rock-1.5
[14:29] < huebi> armijn: After the sources
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[14:29] < huebi> armijn: before glibc
[14:29] < armijn> ehr...
[14:30] < armijn> huebi: and you tested it on sparc64?
[14:30] < huebi> armijn: No, not yet.
[14:30] < armijn> huebi: you should, there might be a few things that can go wrong there...
[14:30] < armijn> huebi: or if you just "cut and paste" it from the old stuff, it should work
[14:31] < huebi> armijn: I did that.
[14:31] < [anders]> kerfuffel..
[14:31] < armijn> ok
[14:32] < armijn> [anders]: I'd like some as well please
[14:32] < [anders]> rightyho, huebi.. I have 'merged' some 150kB of your snapshot into my private tree.. :)
[14:32] < [anders]> armijn: ?? :)
[14:32] < huebi> oops still very much...
[14:32] < armijn> [anders]: what's a perfuffel?
[14:33] < armijn> ehr, kerfuffel
[14:33] < [anders]> huebi: well, I have about 1.5MB left to do.. :-D
[14:33] < [anders]> armijn: I have no idea.. :)
[14:33] < [anders]> armijn: makes a nice sound of frustration though... ;-)
[14:35] < armijn> heh, getting hot again
[14:35] < armijn> I wish it was this weather in the weekend
[14:35] < armijn> I went to a festival...always funny
[14:36] < armijn> to see get people completely drunk (especially germans) and fall flat in the mud
[14:36] < armijn> and the just sleep in it
[14:36] < uninvited> armijn> we call that a woodstock revival ;-)
[14:37] < armijn> not knowing that a large portion of that mud actually consists of piss
[14:37] < uninvited> Hi btw.
[14:37] < huebi> hehe
[14:37] < armijn> I always stay sober during concerts and festivals and it's really really funny to watch
[14:38] < uninvited> armijn> did you know that soap was produced in medieval times out of piss ?
[14:38] < uninvited> *G*
[14:38] < armijn> uninvited: nope
[14:38] < uninvited> Its true.
[14:38] < armijn> could be, wouldn't know :)
[14:38] < armijn> but all these drunk people, they bounce into everything and everyone
[14:39] < uninvited> They collected the whole liquid, then let all of it dry out. The rest, which looks like white powder was about 75% of soap.
[14:39] < armijn> falling asleep a few meters outside a tent where a very loud band is playing
[14:39] < armijn> it's amazing
[14:39] < uninvited> er. soap consisted out of 75%
[14:41] < uninvited> don t blame the beer !!!
[14:41] < uninvited> ;-)
[14:41] < armijn> you know what was very popular there?
[14:41] < armijn> a mix of half beer, half coca cola
[14:42] < armijn> horrible
[14:42] < armijn> "Mazoet"
[14:42] < uninvited> Its called GOASS (goat)
[14:42] < uninvited> ;-)
[14:42] < armijn> never understood those Belgians
[14:42] < uninvited> This one is still fine, ever heard of half beer , half banana juice ?
[14:42] < armijn> they talk funny as well :)
[14:42] < uninvited> YUCK !
[14:42] < armijn> heh, I once had beer, that contained banana juice :)
[14:43] < armijn> actually, it wasn't too bad, for once
[14:43] < armijn> *just* for once
[14:43] < uninvited> har har har
[14:43] < odd_amrimp> geez, germans and their beer
[14:43] < armijn> in fact, I had two bottles
[14:43] < odd_amrimp> :)
[14:43] < armijn> odd_amrimp: I'm not german, be careful with that
[14:43] < odd_amrimp> I remember goind for beer with a German guy in HK,
[14:44] < odd_amrimp> (going)
[14:44] < odd_amrimp> I tried to keep up with him...
[14:44] < uninvited> So what happened ?
[14:44] < odd_amrimp> Horrible mistake
[14:44] < uninvited> ;-)
[14:44] < odd_amrimp> Well, what I remember is,
[14:44] < armijn> yeah, if you're used to american beer...
[14:44] < uninvited> Did you make it home alive ?
[14:44] < armijn> american beer is like sex on the beach...it's pretty close to water
[14:44] < uninvited> So everythin is great.
[14:44] < odd_amrimp> leaving the jazz club sort of putting one foot somewhat in front of the other,
[14:44] < armijn> (that was the censored version)
[14:44] < uninvited> armijn> hehehehehheheheh
[14:45] < uninvited> *ROFL*
[14:45] < odd_amrimp> hailing a cob,
[14:45] < odd_amrimp> and sticking my keys in the guys face for my hotel
[14:45] < armijn> ah, that's all?
[14:45] < odd_amrimp> he kept mumbling in Cantonese, which I only speek english
[14:46] < odd_amrimp> so I sort of ambled out... and found another cab that finally took me to my hotel
[14:46] < odd_amrimp> Well,
[14:46] < odd_amrimp> there was a philipino madam that said she had young girls,
[14:46] < odd_amrimp> but I wasn't quite sure what she was saying at the time
[14:46] < uninvited> (glad your wife is not around?)
[14:46] < armijn> hmm...this is being logged
[14:46] < armijn> I think.
[14:46] < odd_amrimp> hehe, nah,
[14:47] < uninvited> his wife is not the unix-guru - we found out earlier.
[14:47] < odd_amrimp> she knows the story, and I'm smarter than that
[14:47] < uninvited> ;-)
[14:47] < SMP> sure is. the logs are on the web.
[14:47] < odd_amrimp> oops
[14:47] < uninvited> She can use a browser ?
[14:47] < armijn> yeah, we use logs to bribe people
[14:47] < odd_amrimp> Oh well :), nothing happened
[14:47] < armijn> to get hardware and stuff
[14:47] < armijn> that's how we finance ROCK
[14:47] < odd_amrimp> hehe, I know what you're after :)
[14:47] < uninvited> conspiracy !
[14:47] < armijn> pure evil.
[14:47] < uninvited> Fear!
[14:48] < uninvited> relationships!
[14:48] < odd_amrimp> Anyway, first and last time I try to keep up with a german and their beer,
[14:48] < armijn> in fact, we set up that guy in HK to drink beer with you
[14:48] < SMP> I thought we were using the logs to blackmail people? not to bribe them?
[14:48] < odd_amrimp> good stuff, but seriously, we americans can't keep up
[14:48] < armijn> SMP: oh yeah, my mistake
[14:48] < SMP> ;>
[14:48] < uninvited> bribing requires money which would be contra-productive i guess...
[14:48] armijn tired from festival
[14:48] < armijn> yeah yeah, I know
[14:49] < armijn> ha, wait until you feed Germans strong dutch and belgian beers...
[14:49] < armijn> then they won't know what's happening to them
[14:49] armijn remembers some 10% beers
[14:49] < odd_amrimp> yikes!
[14:49] < armijn> yum :)
[14:49] < uninvited> armijn> you re right. Ever took a ferry from Zeebrugge ?... DRUNK ?
[14:50] < armijn> uninvited: no, I never go to that part of .nl, too many germans
[14:50] < armijn> always digging holes in our beaches
[14:50] < uninvited> hehehe
[14:50] < uninvited> bastards !
[14:50] < armijn> putting flags in them
[14:50] < armijn> to mark their territory
[14:50] < odd_amrimp> hehe, be happy that's the way they mark territory!
[14:50] < armijn> "no! this is my hole!"
[14:51] < armijn> and you keep falling in those holes
[14:51] < uninvited> Yeah....thats a famous sports. Its like these evolution story where the primates marked their territory with "natural stuff out of your body".
[14:52] < armijn> uninvited: well, I saw enough of that this weekend on this festival :)
[14:52] < uninvited> (-> which could shortcut us back to the story with this mud-piss mix ;-)
[14:53] < armijn> heheh
[14:53] < armijn> no, we were blackmailing odd_amrimp!
[14:54] < armijn> talking about hardware, I saw a pretty neat small embedded box, running Linux
[14:54] < armijn> from Cyclades...
[14:54] < armijn> with ssh2
[14:54] < armijn> cyclades-ts100
[14:54] < uninvited> Oh its one of these hardware routers...
[14:54] < armijn> well, no.
[14:54] < SMP> no, terminal server
[14:54] < uninvited> ...which look like...er...no ?
[14:54] < armijn> fit in your hand, etc.
[14:55] < SMP> I saw a demo on Cebit
[14:55] < SMP> pretty neat
[14:55] < uninvited> Hmmm, saw one too, but can t remember if the type is right....
[14:55] < armijn> SMP; the ts-100?
[14:55] < uninvited> let me check my hardware box-
[14:55] < SMP> armijn: no, a larger one
[14:55] < armijn> SMP: ah, but I'm talking about the ts-100
[14:56] < armijn> maybe I should get a demo to review it
[14:56] < armijn> it's great when you write for magazines :)
[14:56] < uninvited> Ah you re right, TS100 is the terminal server.
[14:57] < uninvited> You won t say...
[14:57] < uninvited> ;-)
[14:57] < armijn> https://www.cyclades.com/products/stdalone/ts100.php
[14:57] < armijn> PowerPC based
[15:00] < huebi> Is there an exploit in bind 9.2.1? I think there was something in the last time.
[15:00] < rolla> re all
[15:00] < huebi> re rolla
[15:01] < uninvited> huebi> is there a version of bind without any exploit "sighting" ?
[15:01] < uninvited> ;-)
[15:02] < huebi> uninvited: Yes, the one only using www.bofh.org...
[15:02] < armijn> huebi: got my address now?
[15:02] < uninvited> www.cert.org/advisories/CA-2002-19.html
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[15:03] < huebi> armijn: yes, I got it. and fels downloads the newest sources.
[15:03] < huebi> uninvited: dankoe!
[15:04] < uninvited> armijn> i m getting this right ? The TS100 is Dual-CPU ?
[15:05] < armijn> uninvited: dunno
[15:05] < armijn> ah, yeah, I guess
[15:05] < uninvited> SMP> you had your eyes on it ? Its dual cpu ?
[15:05] < SMP> what do you mean
[15:05] < SMP> 'dual cpu'?
[15:07] < uninvited> it writes: Mpc855TPowerPC Dual CPU @ 50 MhZ
[15:07] < odd_amrimp> ..., that doesn't make much sense
[15:08] < SMP> hmm
[15:08] < uninvited> odd> which doesn t make much sense ?
[15:08] < SMP> I bet they use one CPU to run Linux and the other as a serial controller
[15:09] < odd_amrimp> dual @50mhz
[15:09] < odd_amrimp> maybe one is a dsp?
[15:09] < SMP> dsp? hello?
[15:09] < SMP> it's a _Terminal Server_
[15:10] < uninvited> smp> did you see the ready-to-use product ?
[15:10] < uninvited> or an opened one ?
[15:11] < SMP> I saw the case and the CLI
[15:11] < [anders]> barf.. hand-editing diff's is not fun...
[15:11] < uninvited> smp> CLI ?
[15:11] < huebi> command line interface
[15:12] < uninvited> ah okay.
[15:14] < uninvited> odd> what does DSP mean ?
[15:14] < [anders]> especially if the diff is 200kB +
[15:14] < snyke> bla
[15:14] < [anders]> DSP = Digital Signal Processor
[15:15] < uninvited> ah okay.
[15:15] < odd_amrimp> basically does math real fast :)
[15:16] < odd_amrimp> (for the purpose of analyzing signals normally, but mpeg decode/encode can be done as well and other mathematically intensive functions)
[15:16] < armijn> well, that's not what they recommend it for
[15:16] armijn quotes from an advert:
[15:17] < armijn> security apps, industrial automation, server management, DSL modem interfacing, retail and POS
[15:17] < odd_amrimp> Sure, DSL is signals,
[15:17] < uninvited> Hmmm, i just saw their european "hoembase" is 80 km away from here. Maybe i ll pass by and have a look at it.
[15:17] < odd_amrimp> security is mathematically intensive
[15:17] < uninvited> "homebase"
[15:17] < odd_amrimp> (security meaning encrypting/decrypting)
[15:18] < armijn> all your homebase are belong to us
[15:18] < uninvited> ?
[15:18] < odd_amrimp> POS uses it to do encryption/decryption in the US for the input keys, and softmodem maybe
[15:19] < armijn> well, I'm just a coder, so...
[15:19] < odd_amrimp> heh, we all are :), some just in different segments
[15:20] < uninvited> define segment ;-)
[15:20] < odd_amrimp> segment- part of the software economy
[15:21] < odd_amrimp> mines embedded, most folks are pc type applications I would guess (??)
[15:21] < armijn> ehr...PC?
[15:21] < armijn> nah
[15:21] th is back
[15:22] < SMP> prost th
[15:22] < huebi> th 1h17 min
[15:22] < th> SMP: yepp hab grad ne kuehle flasche aussm kuehlschrank geholt
[15:22] < armijn> ja! kuehlschrank!
[15:22] < th> huebi: es waren einige LKWs unterwegs ;)
[15:22] < uninvited> N Dunkles ?
[15:23] < th> uninvited: naeh.
[15:23] < armijn> I love my kuehlschrank
[15:23] < odd_amrimp> PC- software for stationary computers
[15:23] < uninvited> th> ich schon ;-)
[15:23] < armijn> odd_amrimp: ah, ok...
[15:23] < odd_amrimp> I guess :)
[15:23] < uninvited> odd> can you explain what embedded means then ?
[15:23] < odd_amrimp> hehe, I'm no guy to define PC
[15:23] < odd_amrimp> Well.., to me it means,
[15:24] < uninvited> ...
[15:24] < odd_amrimp> a device basically
[15:24] < th> SMP: keuhl is mate noch um einiges besser *hinweis*
[15:24] < odd_amrimp> Could be a toaster,
[15:24] < odd_amrimp> could be a Point Of Sale machine,
[15:24] < armijn> uninvited: stuff you can use to impress your friends
[15:24] < odd_amrimp> an ATM
[15:24] < odd_amrimp> (to get money, not protocol)
[15:24] < odd_amrimp> a router
[15:24] < odd_amrimp> , etc.
[15:25] < odd_amrimp> Input could be anything, buttons, touchscreen, etc.,
[15:25] < odd_amrimp> but normally defined as having a specific function
[15:25] < SMP> th: also aus deinem Kofferraum war sie kuehl genug. nur eben nicht kalt.
[15:25] < odd_amrimp> like a computer can do anything, but an embedded device is just a specific function machine.
[15:25] < th> SMP: das muss am druckunterschied liegen
[15:25] < SMP> hehe
[15:26] < uninvited> odd> I`d like my toaster to speak with me. Does it fit this segment "embedded" ?
[15:26] < th> SMP: ich hab mich von oben eigentlich nur rollen lassen bis zu dir ;) gang raus und sprit sparen
[15:26] < odd_amrimp> uninvited: yea, just put a DSP in the toaster, and write some speech rec software,
[15:26] < uninvited> Hmmm...
[15:26] < odd_amrimp> uninvited: and some audio hardware, and you're good to go :)
[15:26] < armijn> or have beerglasses that talk to you
[15:26] < uninvited> ...
[15:26] < armijn> "no more!"
[15:27] < uninvited> armijn> that sounds like an "religious" beerglass.
[15:27] < uninvited> mine would say: "You look like you could handle one more..."
[15:28] < armijn> a beer glass with an attitude
[15:28] < armijn> "No Heineken!"
[15:30] < uninvited> hmmm. i guess a beerglass telling you how much %. of alcohol you already have in your body goes not as embedded but as biometry, right ?
[15:31] < odd_amrimp> hehe, you'd need an embedded engineer somewhere in that picture, but I'd guess the word for the device type is something else
[15:32] < odd_amrimp> (Now that's a truely embedded device :)
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[15:32] < armijn> beer and embedded engineers?
[15:32] < armijn> if there is beer, you need to have an embedded engineer?
[15:33] < uninvited> hehe
[15:35] < odd_amrimp> hehe, not this one
[15:35] < armijn> heh
[15:36] < uninvited> wow: the TS100 goes for 419 EUR (end-user). Quite expensive.
[15:38] < huebi> armijn: Do you need base+opt and also ext?
[15:40] < armijn> I do need base
[15:40] < armijn> opt might be nice
[15:40] < armijn> ext not necessary, but if you got room
[15:40] < armijn> and the ssources of course
[15:45] < armijn> please.
[15:46] < huebi> ok
[15:52] < th> SMP: tippst du schnell noch ne howto fuer anonsshcvs?
[15:53] < SMP> noe.
[15:53] < SMP> https://www.openbsd.org/anoncvs.shar
[15:53] < th> ok
[15:53] < th> muessten wir mal irgendwohin linken
[15:53] < SMP> /dev/null on /home/anoncvs/dev/null type none (rw,bind)
[15:53] < SMP> /dev/zero on /home/anoncvs/dev/zero type none (rw,bind)
[15:53] < SMP> Rest ist auf world einzusehen und trivial nachzubauen
[15:54] < SMP> aeh, ach ne
[15:54] < SMP> ich musste noch einen patch fuer cvs produzieren
[15:54] < SMP> ist zu beiziehen unter <mailto:stefanp@rocklinux.de>
[15:55] < th> SMP: aehm
[15:55] < th> SMP: ich rede vom endnutzer ;)
[15:55] < SMP> achso
[15:55] < SMP> siehe /topic
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[15:55] < th> SMP: also howto-get-rock
[15:55] < Mike1> Hi all
[15:56] < SMP> th: was braucht's da mehr als in /topic steht?
[15:56] < huebi> SMP: ... an then hit <RETURN> ;>
[15:56] < huebi> lol
[15:57] < SMP> requires: a brain.
[15:57] < huebi> hi Mike1 ;-)
[15:57] < Mike1> Hi huebi
[15:57] < [anders]> okay.. only 77 kB left to patch in.. :)
[15:57] < huebi> SMP: A working one? *g*
[15:57] < uninvited> hiya
[15:57] < th> oh $topic...
[15:57] < Mike1> huebi: some packages need to be updated on 1.5.17
[15:57] < Mike1> hi [anders]
[15:57] < [anders]> re Mike1 :)
[15:58] < th> SMP: nein mehr ist nicht noetig
[15:58] < huebi> Mike1: I updated all Gnome stuff and bind and alsa
[15:58] < th> huebi: bringst du das irgendwie auf die rock-1.5 webseoten?
[15:58] < th> (gibts die ueberhaupt?)
[15:58] < huebi> oehmm
[15:58] [anders] is working on making 1.5.17 not require any particular base distribution to build on.. (in respect of bzip2)
[15:58] < th> huebi: mein komischer howto-text ist vielleicht auch sinnvoll. so aus link aufs webcvs
[15:58] < Mike1> huebi: nice, as soon as i finish my build hopefully today i will check out the latest snap and see if there's anything left to send you a patch :)
[15:59] < SMP> [anders]: wrt. merging diffs: it gets incredibly easier if you use a merging tool for a good revision control system ;->
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[16:01] < th> moin Ge0rG
[16:01] < Mike1> hey there Ge0rG
[16:08] < huebi> moin Ge0rG
[16:10] < th> something seems broken on cvs.rocklinux.de... it hangs on subdists/uml/syscon
[16:10] < th> or after it
[16:10] < th> is there a lock waiting?
[16:10] < SMP> anoncvs?
[16:10] < th> no
[16:11] < th> SMP: btw. machst du per cron ein update oder ein copieren?
[16:11] < Ge0rG> hey folks
[16:11] < SMP> I saw that problem when testing the anoncvs access. noone else here had it, so I neglected it..
[16:12] < SMP> th: auf einem checked-out tree kann ich wohl kaum ein 'cvs server' laufen lassen
[16:12] < [anders]> SMP: I will have a think about how to easiest modify things.
[16:13] < th> SMP: oha
[16:13] < th> SMP: /me war wohl verwirrt ;)
[16:13] < SMP> the rockcvs user runs every ten minutes: rsync -rtWPv --delete ~/cvs/rock-1.5 ~anoncvs/cvs/
[16:14] < SMP> hmm, need to change that
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[16:20] < th> strange cvs up really blocks
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[16:23] < SMP> why the fuck is it that cvs doesn't remove the /tmp/cvs-serv* crap?!
[16:23] < SMP> it does in the anoncvs setup..
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[16:24] < th> SMP: i could imagine that happens only if user interrupts some cvs-process
[16:25] < SMP> no, _then_ cvs throws a core
[16:25] < th> hmm
[16:25] < SMP> stupid crap.
[16:32] < SMP> th: https://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2037425942
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[16:40] < th> SMP: was das?
[16:40] < th> SMP: bin grad nur an der station
[16:42] < SMP> ne SGI von '85
[16:42] < snyke> th: Vintage SGI 3130 System
[16:42] < th> SMP: ahja. wenigstens ein nettes gehaeuse?
[16:42] < snyke> hm
[16:42] < snyke> der monitor gefällt mir ned *G*
[16:42] < snyke> First bid US $100.00
[16:42] < snyke> hmmm
[16:43] < SMP> th: noe, grau. voellig untypisch fuer SGI ;)
[16:43] < huebi> vintage even
[16:45] < [anders]> huebi: I think I have merged in that 1.9MB patch now..
[16:45] < huebi> [anders]: kool. Can you upload it? ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload/
[16:46] < [anders]> and in the meantime I have changed all occurances of tar -I to use --use-compress-program=bzip2 instead in base+opt and in the various scripts in the build.. not touched the ext's .conf's yet..
[16:47] < [anders]> huebi: it is untested, but should work.. (famous last words..)
[16:47] < huebi> great.
[16:47] < huebi> dejavu.. it is untested, but should work..
[16:48] < [anders]> I will spin a build on this later today.. Once I manage to get all new src archives to download.. :)
[16:48] < Mike1> [anders]: 1.9MB patch wow
[16:48] < [anders]> Mike1: Took a while to hand-edit parts of it and merge it in .. :)
[16:48] < Mike1> hehe
[16:49] < Mike1> huebi: [anders] i can test it if you like
[16:49] < [anders]> huebi: the archive is called 'rock-src-1.5.17.private.tar.bz2' and I'm uploading it now..
[16:50] < huebi> [anders]: Thank you.
[16:50] < huebi> Mike1: I put it int ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/upload/pub
[16:50] < huebi> +o
[16:51] < Mike1> [anders]: pkg versions updated on that source too?
[16:51] < [anders]> shuttle:/drock/DEV# md5sum rock-src-1.5.17.private.tar.bz2
[16:51] < [anders]> ac923b130332d8169f4443d5f1703ed7 rock-src-1.5.17.private.tar.bz2
[16:51] < [anders]> Mike1: pkg versions?
[16:52] < Mike1> [anders]: just did you update any package ? eg. linux 2.4.18 to 2.5.25 (just an example)
[16:52] < [anders]> oh, I forgot to mention.. I have hacked the tar patch.. :) It uses -j for bz2 compression, not -I. (To make it compatible with Debian)
[16:53] < [anders]> Mike1: no, everything the same as in huebi's snap from yesterday..
[16:53] < Mike1> [anders]: oh ok
[16:53] < Mike1> [anders]: not fair i use -I
[16:53] < Mike1> :)
[16:53] < [anders]> *grin*
[16:54] < [anders]> It will not stop you from building with it..
[16:54] < [anders]> In fact, the build process with this snapshot should not be affected by what short flag your tar uses..
[16:54] < Mike1> hehe yeah
[16:54] < Mike1> [anders]: good
[16:54] < th> ogle seems to be quite unmaintained
[16:55] < th> anyone willing to overtake?
[16:55] < uninvited> what is ogle ?
[16:55] < [anders]> I think I fixed all occurances in the build scripts and base+opt .conf's where the short flag is used..
[16:55] < th> dvd-player
[16:55] < uninvited> thx
[16:55] < uninvited> th>x
[16:55] < Mike1> [anders]: thats very good
[16:55] < [anders]> (so now Debian could become a supported build platform for ROCK..)
[16:56] < huebi> Mike1: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/pub/rock-src-1.5.17.private.tar.bz2
[16:57] < [anders]> huebi: I guess the md5sum was correct then...
[16:57] < Mike1> huebi: fetching it :)
[16:57] < huebi> root@zeus:/home/ftp/pub# md5sum -c md5sum
[16:57] < huebi> rock-src-1.5.17.private.tar.bz2: OK
[16:57] < Mike1> [anders]: BTW what build plataforms are supported??
[16:57] < huebi> Mike1: fscking fast line, you have ;-)))
[16:58] < Mike1> huebi: yeah 1/2 a bit
[16:58] < [anders]> Mike1: no idea, but afaik Debian isn't quite supported yet.. (shame, as Debian does support devfs out of the box)
[16:59] < [anders]> I'm working on that though.. ;-)
[16:59] < Mike1> huebi: i got it all
[16:59] < Mike1> anyone has a rock-src-1.5.17-ext.iso?
[17:00] < Mike1> i would like to build the whole distro i hate broken links when getting ext files
[17:00] < huebi> Mike1: Not an up to date one.
[17:00] < [anders]> Mike1: if you find one, give me a shout. I am chasing it as well.. :)
[17:00] < Mike1> maybe i should work on it
[17:00] huebi needs a .plan ;(
[17:02] < [anders]> huebi: it is fingerd that serves up the .plan, right?
[17:03] < th> [anders]: ack
[17:03] < th> [anders]: or even the finger bin itself
[17:03] < [anders]> th: /me wonder if I should hack a bit on getting GRSecurity into the kernel and then run the GRfingerd...
[17:03] Mike1 fetching ext packages for 1.5.17
[17:05] < th> huebi: SMP: that cvs problem seems to be serious.
[17:06] < huebi> is ther3e a reliable fingerd somewhere avaliable?
[17:07] < [anders]> huebi: https://www.grsecurity.net
[17:07] < [anders]> he used to have a fingerd
[17:08] < SMP> th: just ^C it. your update is finished anyway
[17:10] < th> grmpf
[17:14] < [anders]> Mike1: if you find a problem with that snap, give me a shout and I'll try and fix it. :)
[17:16] < Mike1> [anders]: ok fur sure
[17:24] < [anders]> eggcelent.. :)
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[17:34] < uninvited> farewell all!
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[17:43] < Mike1> hi WKaibigan
[17:43] < WKaibigan> Hi there
[17:46] < rxr> a1re
[17:47] < Mike1> rxr: hi !!
[17:47] < huebi> hi rxr
[17:47] < [anders]> re rxr
[17:47] < rxr> hi all
[17:48] < Mike1> huebi: while building gnome-libs on stage 3 i got this:
[17:48] < Mike1> configure: error: Your db library is missing db 1.85 compatibility mode
[17:49] < Mike1> what is it?
[17:50] < huebi> Mike1: your berkley db is too new. mom
[17:50] < Mike1> huebi: :(
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[17:51] < armijn> re
[17:51] < Mike1> re armijn :)
[17:52] < armijn> hi mike1
[17:53] < Mike1> armijn: long time not seen you
[17:53] < armijn> mike1: huebi makes CDs for me, he will send them to me
[17:53] < armijn> then I will continue with sparc64
[17:53] < Mike1> armijn: ?
[17:53] < armijn> well, source CDs
[17:53] < Mike1> oh ja :)
[17:53] < armijn> and the latest and greatest CVS snap
[17:54] < Mike1> armijn: BTW i am working on sparc64 too
[17:54] < Mike1> brb
[17:54] < armijn> 1.7
[17:54] < armijn> ?
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[17:56] < armijn> heh
[17:57] < Mike1> armijn: no 1.5
[17:57] < armijn> ah, tell me
[17:58] < armijn> you got 5 minutes :)
[17:58] < Mike1> yes i do
[17:58] < Mike1> hope you dont mind me bothering you around working on 1.5 for sparc64 :)
[17:58] < armijn> bother?
[17:59] < Mike1> yeah
[17:59] < armijn> you mean, as in, that I don't like it when you do 1.5?
[17:59] < armijn> no, that's great!
[17:59] < Mike1> hehe good
[17:59] < Mike1> ok as far as now i fetched all sources for 1.5.17
[18:00] < Mike1> even got sparc-utils and egcs64
[18:00] < Mike1> and i am going to start the build on a Ultra 5 in a minute
[18:00] < Mike1> i am recompiling my kernel with devfs support
[18:01] < Mike1> for what i have seen it has the proper stuff and shouldnt give us to much trouble
[18:02] < armijn> well, dunno
[18:02] < armijn> I think silo will give use some trouble
[18:02] < Mike1> was going to start on saturday but i had a busy weekend
[18:02] < Mike1> do you have any update regarding ripclaws work on it?
[18:02] < armijn> yeah
[18:02] < armijn> no work at all
[18:02] < Mike1> oh :(
[18:02] < armijn> yeah, that sucks a bit
[18:03] < Mike1> mmm whats the problem with it BTW?
[18:04] < armijn> some pathlink stuff
[18:04] < armijn> see rippies mail to rock-ports from last week
[18:04] < armijn> or the week before
[18:04] < Mike1> yes i read it the week before
[18:05] < armijn> and check the source
[18:05] < armijn> and then you'll know :)
[18:05] < Mike1> hehe
[18:05] < armijn> okilidokili, gotta go now
[18:05] < armijn> cu
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[18:06] < Mike1> huebi: you here?
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[18:07] < th_> SMP: what's going on?
[18:08] < th_> hmpf. cutoff
[18:08] < th_> hmm
[18:08] < th_> back again
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[18:11] < th> hmm
[18:11] < Mike1> are huebi
[18:11] < huebi> re
[18:11] < Mike1> -a
[18:12] < Mike1> huebi: so what can i do with my db?
[18:15] < huebi> Mike1: I'm working on a downgrade mom
[18:17] < Mike1> huebi: ok thanks
[18:30] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/bdb/bdb.pz <- done
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[18:38] < holyolli> moin
[18:39] < huebi> moin holyolli
[18:39] < Mike1> hello holyolli
[18:39] < holyolli> hi huebi
[18:39] < holyolli> hi Mike1
[18:40] < holyolli> huebi: already released the snapshot?
[18:40] < huebi> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.17/rock-src-1_5_17_2002-07-08_09h20.tar.bz2
[18:40] < huebi> holyolli: But far from stable ;>
[18:42] < holyolli> hm. ist das "far from stable" auf intel bezogen?
[18:43] < huebi> holyolli: jo. There are noe 3 pkgs:
[18:43] < huebi> linux, linux-src, linux-header
[18:44] < huebi> linux-header is still broken. I dont know why
[18:45] < holyolli> hm. but on alpha it isn't - or are there any changes since yesterdays cvs version?
[18:45] < huebi> easy to fix by hand:
[18:45] < huebi> chroot dist
[18:46] < huebi> make ARCH=alpha include/linux/version.h symlinks
[18:46] < huebi> cp -av include/asm/* /usr/include/asm
[18:46] < huebi> before a: mkdir -p /usr/include/asm
[18:47] < huebi> cp -av include/linux /usr/include
[18:47] < huebi> touch /usr/include/linux/modversions.h
[18:47] < huebi> thats all.
[18:47] < holyolli> but it seems to be right on place here....
[18:47] < holyolli> just look for yourself.. =)
[18:48] < huebi> yes, it seem so but it isn't
[18:48] < huebi> mom
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[18:52] < huebi> root@zeus:/var/tmp# diff -Nur usr.orig usr.new > linux-header-manualy-made.diff
[18:52] < huebi> diff: usr.orig/include/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3/db3: Too many levels of symbolic links
[18:52] < huebi> sth is really broken.
[18:52] < holyolli> oi.
[18:52] < huebi> I mentioned that in 1.5.12, too.
[18:54] < Mike1> huebi: did you get to build on sparc64 this weekend?
[18:55] < huebi> Mike1: yes but with 44 broken packages.
[18:55] < Mike1> i see
[18:55] < Mike1> can i have a list on the broken packages?
[18:59] < huebi> big flood on #linux-sparc
[19:00] < Mike1> mmm linux broke
[19:00] < Mike1> you got stuck on stage3?
[19:00] < huebi> Mike1: Missing font for the fb
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[19:00] < Mike1> mm...
[19:00] < Mike1> hi simon-
[19:01] < huebi> normally I stop at stage 3 and do not do a stage 5
[19:01] < Mike1> huebi: i see
[19:04] < Mike1> huebi: so how did you go with the downgrade?
[19:04] < Mike1> *g
[19:04] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/bdb/bdb.pz
[19:07] < huebi> cu later (in about 3h)
[19:07] < Mike1> ok huebi
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[19:16] holyolli is also just away....cu later
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[19:39] < Mike1> hi uninvited
[19:40] < Mike1> [anders]: are you here?
[19:45] < uninvited> hi again mike1, hi all
[20:00] < uninvited> Whos going to a biergarten this evening ?
[20:09] < SMP> muahaha
[20:09] < SMP> now who said that Sun was prohibitively expensive? ;>
[20:11] < SMP> Sun Blade 2000 - dual 900MHz UltraSparc, 4 GB RAM, some Framebuffer, 72GB FC/AL disk: $23k
[20:12] < SMP> HP Zx6000 - dual 1000MHz Itanium 2, 4 GB RAM, no Framebuffer, 36GB U-160 SCSI disk - $27k
[20:16] < uninvited> *shocking*
[20:17] < SMP> Sun is bloody cheap! ;>
[20:17] < uninvited> hehehe
[20:18] < uninvited> are thes pre-used or brand new ?
[20:18] < uninvited> these...
[20:18] < SMP> I imagine it's pretty hard to find a used system with a processor that started shipping today..
[20:19] < uninvited> smp> you may be right...ah Itanium 2...
[20:19] < uninvited> ;-)
[20:19] uninvited is away: biergarten
[20:20] < SMP> it might be that the dual 900MHz I2 system is indeed some $k less expensive than the Sun system
[20:20] < SMP> but looking at the top models, HP is most expensive
[20:34] < [anders]> Mike1: now I am.. :)
[20:38] < [anders]> re all
[20:41] < Mike1> re [anders]
[20:41] < Mike1> [anders]: did you had any problems with gnome-libs??
[20:41] < Mike1> i am having this:
[20:42] < Mike1> <flood>
[20:42] < Mike1> /usr/include/db_185.h:171: parse error before `*'
[20:42] < Mike1> /usr/include/db_185.h:171: warning: data definition has no type or storage classgnome-metadata.c: In function `init':
[20:42] < Mike1> gnome-metadata.c:177: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
[20:42] < Mike1> make[2]: *** [gnome-metadata.lo] Error 1
[20:42] < Mike1> make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/gnome-libs-1.4.1.4/libgnome'
[20:42] < Mike1> make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[20:42] < Mike1> make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/gnome-libs-1.4.1.4'
[20:42] < Mike1> make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
[20:42] < Mike1> </flood>
[20:42] < [anders]> Mike1: Uhm, not tried it yet.. :-/
[20:43] < Mike1> [anders]: mm where did you stop ur build?
[20:43] < [anders]> All I did was tweak a few things, didn't try building anything.. It is basically huebi's snap from last night and a few things I did.. must be something in the package itself..
[20:43] < [anders]> I will be trying the build later on myself..
[20:43] < Mike1> [anders]: thats not last nights snap
[20:44] < [anders]> hold on..
[20:44] < Mike1> ok
[20:44] < [anders]> 2002_07_08_09h20
[20:44] < [anders]> So I guess it is from this morning..
[20:44] < Mike1> [anders]: no i am using the first 1.5.17 snap
[20:45] < Mike1> which was set on friday i think
[20:45] < [anders]> huebi did say something about updating gnome stuff this morning..
[20:45] < Mike1> yeah
[20:45] < Mike1> So i guess i will just forget about x11 stuff for now
[20:46] < Mike1> due without gnome-libs its not going to work
[20:46] < [anders]> I think I based my archive of off huebi's snap from this morning..
[20:46] < [anders]> if I manage to compile this end2end for base+opt, I'll make an ISO and upload it if you want..
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[20:52] < [anders]> wb Mike1
[20:53] < Mike1> [anders]: right i am working on ext-src cd but as soon as i finish that i will go for a build on those sources
[20:53] < Mike1> even though i had not trouble at all with my current snap untill now
[20:54] < Mike1> thanks [anders]
[20:55] < Mike1> [anders]: what was the syntax to use Create-CD script? somehow i think i am forgeting something cuz its not working
[20:59] < [anders]> Mike1: Uhm.. I think it should be something like ./scripts/Create-CD source base
[20:59] < [anders]> or ./scripts/Create-CD ia32 k7 base
[20:59] < Mike1> [anders]: mmm strange
[21:00] < [anders]> I had problems with it at well, but huebi got me an updated version..
[21:00] < [anders]> s/at/as/
[21:00] < Mike1> [anders]: its ok its wrking now
[21:01] < [anders]> ok.. :)
[21:01] < [anders]> got to go 4 a little while. back in about half hour..
[21:01] < Mike1> i was doing: ./scripts/Create-CD intel i386 base
[21:01] < Mike1> ok [anders]
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[21:03] < tsa> re.
[21:03] < Mike1> re tsa
[21:03] < tsa> hi Mike1
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[21:21] < owl> hi
[21:21] < Mike1> hi owl how are you today?
[21:21] < tsa> hi owl
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[21:22] < owl> hi mike1 && tsa. mike1: almost dead. thx. and you? ;)
[21:23] < Mike1> i am ok still alive :)
[21:23] < tsa> hehe ;)
[21:23] < owl> hehe ;) i guess you're not using windows, are you? i guess that's the reason, why you're alive ;P
[21:24] < Mike1> no i havent use Windows at all in almost a year and a half
[21:24] < Mike1> i dont need it for anything
[21:24] < owl> hehe ;) then you are a really lucky person ;)
[21:25] < Mike1> owl: what do you you use it for?
[21:25] < Mike1> owl: yeah i was really happy when i finally rocked my system
[21:25] < owl> i need it for my job - and also for using my ISDN device. (there 're no drivers/support for linux :(((
[21:26] < Mike1> mmmm what kind of isdn adaptar you got?
[21:26] < Mike1> s/adaptar/adapter
[21:26] < owl> eumex 504 pc usb - i guess you won't know it
[21:27] < Mike1> you are right i dont :(
[21:27] < owl> it's really a _funny_ thing... sometimes it could happen, that you get a call - and the firmware of eumex crashes... really sweet... no inet, no calls... nothing :)
[21:28] < Mike1> sounds like you love it
[21:29] < owl> yeah. i'm really totally fallen in love with it... give me a large hammer and pay for T1-connection or smthg. like that... then i will destroy my beloved eumex ;)
[21:29] < Mike1> haha
[21:30] < owl> sorry for my sarcasm ;)
[21:30] < Mike1> no problem
[21:49] < [anders]> arrf.. back.. :)
[21:49] < Mike1> wb Master [anders]
[21:49] < Mike1> :)
[21:51] < [anders]> :-)
[21:51] < [anders]> Mike1: how did the build go? :)
[21:52] < Mike1> [anders]: i am still on gnome-libs
[21:52] < Mike1> but i am fetching the source of 1.5.17 with ur fixes
[21:52] < Mike1> so i can make the base and ext sources cds then i start build
[21:53] < Mike1> [anders]: what about you?
[21:54] < [anders]> Mike1: I am getting ready to fire off the build with this private tree..
[21:55] < Mike1> [anders]: yeah i am working on the private tree right now
[21:55] < [anders]> In fact, all left to get is the 2.2.21 kernel sources for the opt-archive
[21:55] < [anders]> :)
[21:55] < Mike1> [anders]: nice nice :)
[21:55] < [anders]> Hope I haven't messed it up anything..
[21:55] < Mike1> got extension too?
[21:56] < [anders]> not doing the ext-archive yet.. I'll do that next time around. First I want base+opt to build properly..
[21:57] < [anders]> although I am getting checksum error on the 2.2.21 kernel source..
[21:57] < [anders]> I think I'll ignore that for the time being..
[21:58] < Mike1> [anders]: I wouldnt really care too much about 2.2.21 :)
[21:58] < [anders]> ;-)
[22:01] < [anders]> Mike1: it is building now..
[22:02] < [anders]> I am building the i686 ia32 first.. going to do the k7 next loop around..
[22:02] < [anders]> if all goes well that is.. :)
[22:02] < Mike1> wooohooo hopefully it will work nice
[22:02] < Mike1> [anders]: if it builds ok i will build on sparc64 with it :)
[22:02] < [anders]> Mike1: kewl.. :)
[22:03] < huebi> re
[22:03] < [anders]> I have the 1.5.16 build still running, in stage 5, for ia32 i686.. I'll cut the ISO later tonight if it finishes.. Or I'll do it in the morning.. And this 1.5.17 snap should complete tomorrow sometime..
[22:03] < [anders]> re huebi
[22:03] < huebi> hi anders
[22:04] < [anders]> if this snap works, I'll cut the ISO and if huebi wants, I'll upload it to rocklinux.dyndns.org :)
[22:04] < Mike1> hi huebi
[22:05] < [anders]> huebi: one minor issue with the private snap, the checksum for linux-2.2.21 is wrong. I get cksum-err on it..
[22:06] < huebi> [anders]: right, it's fixed in cvs
[22:06] < [anders]> huebi: excellent.. :)
[22:06] < huebi> Mike1: you need a patch for bdb, too
[22:06] < huebi> Mike1: mom
[22:07] < Mike1> huebi: i already solved the bdb problem
[22:07] < Mike1> :)
[22:07] < [anders]> I'll pull CVS tomorrow and update my private snap...
[22:07] < Mike1> but i am stuck with gnome-libs with another error :((
[22:08] < [anders]> unless this thing works straight through in which case I'm much more likely just getting the check-sum of 2.2.21 fixed and stick with what I got..
[22:08] < huebi> Mike1: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/bdb/3.3.11.1.patch
[22:13] < Mike1> huebi: thank you
[22:15] < huebi> Mike1: you're welcome. ;-)
[22:15] < [anders]> bah, one build on glibc and one on mozilla.. err, grind and halt ?
[22:17] < huebi> [anders]: If you have 2 builds at the same time nasty things might happen. Better stop both and restart one
[22:18] < [anders]> huebi: no worries.. they are using separate filesystems..
[22:18] < [anders]> and I mean completely separate..
[22:18] < huebi> [anders]: then it's ok
[22:19] < [anders]> huebi: :-)
[22:19] < [anders]> Thanks for pointing it out though..
[22:32] < rxr> huebi: I just read the mail on rock-linux
[22:32] < rxr> you changed intel into ia32 in 1.5.x ?????
[22:33] < huebi> yes, I did.
[22:33] < huebi> I there something bad about that?
[22:33] < rxr> huebi: yes. that 1.5 is not 1.7 - and should become stable one day ...
[22:33] Mike1 likes the ia32 more than intel :)
[22:34] < huebi> rxr: ACK
[22:34] < [anders]> stick with ia32 now.. no point in changing it back now..
[22:34] < rxr> Mike1: me likes this too - but this should not be done some days before 1.6 ...
[22:35] < rxr> huebi: you also changed all the ARCH=intel places in the various *.conf files ? (I remeber we had some ...)
[22:35] < Mike1> rxr: maybe it havent really afect in any negative way the builds
[22:35] < [anders]> rxr: I get the feeling 1.6.0 is not far off even though this change was made..
[22:36] < huebi> rxr: This change is more a cosmetic one to be compatibel to the future ia64.
[22:36] < rxr> [anders]: I just noticed the mail on rock-linux - which indicates that it introduced some problems. I would not have done this so short before 1.6 ...
[22:37] < rxr> huebi: but all this is done in 1.7 - why do we redo all this in 1.5 ?
[22:37] < esden> hi all
[22:37] < [anders]> rxr: I did not understand the e-mail to the list.. I only picked up 1.5.16 a few days ago, and after three minor tweaks, it build cleanly for me..
[22:37] < [anders]> re esden
[22:37] < Mike1> hello esden :)
[22:37] < huebi> hi esden
[22:38] < rxr> hi esden
[22:38] < rxr> [anders]: no problem - I just wondered ....
[22:38] < Mike1> rxr: i have been working on it too and it has been quite ok for me, just small tweaks but nothing related with the 1a32 change
[22:39] < huebi> rxr: for a really stable version there has to be done still very much testing and of course very much documentation.
[22:39] < [anders]> rxr, there are one thing in the Config I could think of doing that, when you select the ia32 arch, it asks for another setting as well, which type of ia32 CPU.. if that is not set, it defaults to generic == no build is made.. It says so in the Config..
[22:40] < huebi> I though about removing the option "generic". Asfar as I understood it's not needed at all.
[22:42] < [anders]> huebi: perhaps leave the generic option, but set it to compile for i386...
[22:42] < huebi> [anders]: good idea.
[22:43] < [anders]> huebi: at least when people forget about it, it still compiles something.. :)
[22:43] < Mike1> good point [anders]
[22:44] < huebi> I will release 1.6.0 when all is tested to be stable. Including alpha, sparc64 and ia32.
[22:44] < huebi> We are not so far from stable but there must be more tests.
[22:44] < Ge0rG> how about sparc32? ;)
[22:45] < [anders]> I can not test anything else than ia32.. I'll have to do it in VMware though..
[22:45] < huebi> Ge0rG: Nobody is working on it now but it should be not a big problem.
[22:45] < fake> vmware is an x86 emulator
[22:45] < Mike1> i can test it on sparc64 and ia32 that all i got
[22:45] < fake> no vmware for sparc eh-eh.
[22:45] < Mike1> hi fake
[22:45] < [anders]> re fake
[22:46] fake is not here
[22:46] < [anders]> No, vmware is x86 only..
[22:46] < huebi> fake is a fake?
[22:46] < Ge0rG> there is bochs to emulate x86, but maybe there are also emulators for other archs?
[22:46] < [anders]> there is UAE... ;-D
[22:46] < fake> Ge0rG: yes, but less consumer-friendly than vmware ;-)
[22:46] < Mike1> Ge0rG: i only know of VMware and Win4Lin
[22:47] < [anders]> there are PPC emulators and m68k emulators, but better to run on the hardware itself..
[22:48] < huebi> there should be at least 3 alphas: esden, holyolli and me
[22:48] < huebi> If I had a PPC I'd test it there, too.
[22:48] < Mike1> huebi: i might be able to get a sparc32 but i cant make any promisses yet
[22:49] [anders] would like the space and the cash to get an RS6k..
[22:49] < huebi> Mike1: I have two of them to test: IPX (sun4c) and SparcStation Classic X (sun4m)
[22:51] < [anders]> in any case, both builds are running well, so I will be off to bed.. Have to get up early tomorrow..
[22:51] < huebi> [anders]: sleep well. ;-)
[22:52] < Mike1> good night [anders]
[22:52] < [anders]> huebi: and you, whenever you manage to get to bed. :)
[22:52] < Mike1> huebi: wanna give me one for me b-day? *g
[22:53] < huebi> rxr: Is it possible that you comment you code in 1.5? So that it's readable without having all tricks and knowledge in the head?
[22:53] < huebi> +r
[22:54] < Mike1> rxr: yes please :)
[22:57] < [anders]> night night.. ~~~
[22:59] < esden> n8 @ all
[22:59] < Mike1> bye [anders]
[22:59] < Mike1> bye esden
[22:59] < huebi> cu esden
[22:59] < huebi> cu [anders]
[23:09] < huebi> rxr: Are you still here?
[23:10] < Mike1> huebi: i guess no
[23:11] < huebi> hmm. Starts a discussion and leaves..
[23:12] < Mike1> Anyways you are not asking me but i really like the ia32 thing
[23:13] < huebi> Mike1: Thank you. I discussed it with Clifford on LinuxTag and we both agreed to change the name.
[23:14] < Mike1> good, but no need to thank me
[23:15] < uninvited> hi...anyone still out there ?
[23:15] uninvited is back from biergarten session !
[23:15] < Mike1> I just think you have made a great job on the 1.5 tree thanks :)
[23:15] < Mike1> uninvited: hehe re
[23:15] < uninvited> btw: what does IA32 stand for ? Intel Arch. 32 bit or what is it ?
[23:16] < huebi> uninvited: ACK
[23:16] < uninvited> oh cool
[23:16] < huebi> Itanium = ia64
[23:16] < fake> fake = ia128
[23:16] < uninvited> Never had one of these...
[23:16] < uninvited> hehehe
[23:17] < uninvited> my only platforms were C64 - AMIGA - ATARI - PC 286,386,486...K7
[23:17] fake 'll go to bed.
[23:17] < uninvited> never tried anything else...never thought about getting another machines for private use.
[23:17] < Mike1> n8 fake
[23:17] < uninvited> N8 FAKE
[23:18] < huebi> cu fake
[23:18] < fake> sweet dreams @all
[23:18] fake zZzZzZ
[23:19] < rxr> jups
[23:20] < uninvited> okay. Donwloaded that 1.5.16 iso...
[23:20] < uninvited> ...gonna get dRock tomorrow.
[23:20] < rxr> huebi: ah ok - ich you and Cliff agreed about this ...
[23:22] < uninvited> I m presenting Rock to another customer wednesday. They have some old novell 3.12 machines which will be put back to stone age and then time travel em with a linux into future.
[23:22] < uninvited> rxr> do i need all three cd isos for dRock ?
[23:22] < uninvited> I saw these offered on download.rocklinux.de
[23:26] < uninvited> hello ?
[23:26] < uninvited> dRock==3 iso ?
[23:27] < uninvited> dRock>=1 iso ?
[23:28] < uninvited> okay...maybe youll answer and i ll read the .logs. Good nite every1 !
[23:29] < Mike1> uninvited: try cd 1 and 2
[23:30] < Mike1> it all depends on how much you wanna show
[23:30] < uninvited> drop the pants ;-)
[23:32] < Mike1> haha
[23:33] < uninvited> okay cya !
[23:33] uninvited @ bed
[23:33] < uninvited> (exit
[23:33] < Mike1> uninvited: a full installation of drock will suprise them
[23:33] < Mike1> bye
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[23:38] < owl> g8. ciao
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[23:39] < rxr> CD-1 and CD-2 are usefull
[23:39] < rxr> CD-2 mostly contains bigger apps
[23:39] < rxr> the -boot CD is only needed for network installs
[23:44] < Mike1> rxr: BTW does 1.6.0 still come with that dvd decoding stuff?
[23:58] < rxr> Mike1: sure - is this a problem ?
[23:58] < Mike1> rxr: no by te contrary i was hoping it would be there :)
[23:59] < Mike1> +h
[23:59] Mike1 fetching drock-1.6.0 isos
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