-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Jul 10 00:00:10 2002
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Wed Jul 10 2002
[00:00]   owl will search the bed now...
[00:00] < owl> g8. cu tomorrow
[00:00] < huebi> cu owl
[00:01] < owl> cu huebi
[00:01] < Mike1> bye owl
[00:01] < owl> ciao everyone ;)
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[00:03] < Mike1> huebi: what are you doing?
[00:04] < huebi> fixing the Create-CD script.
[00:04] < tsa> just curious - who is owl?
[00:04] < Mike1> tsa: Her name is Sandra
[00:04] < Mike1> she is a new ROCK user
[00:04] < tsa> a woman??
[00:05] < Mike1> tsa: sure
[00:05] < tsa> uh. talked to her and didn't know.
[00:05] < tsa> ;-)
[00:05] < Mike1> hehe
[00:05] < tsa> pic somewhere?
[00:05] < Mike1> no :((
[00:05] < tsa> hm..
[00:06] < Mike1> perhaps i can sent you a pic of huebi if you like
[00:06] < Mike1> *g
[00:06] < tsa> aehm...
[00:06] < tsa> no, thanks.
[00:06] < Mike1> hehe
[00:07] < huebi> tsa: has a URL IIRC.
[00:08] < huebi> s/tsa/esden/
[00:08] < tsa> esden: WAKE UP.
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[00:09] < tsa> hi fake
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[00:29] < huebi> Mike1: scripts/Create-CD is updated.
[00:29] < Mike1> huebi: good
[00:29] < Mike1> huebi: i cant continue with ext cd :((
[00:29] < Mike1> i need maintainers to update versions
[00:29] < huebi> Mike1: why?
[00:29] < Mike1> eg abiword i cant find the god damn pkgs anymore
[00:30] < Mike1> we are using 0.73.2
[00:30] < Mike1> the oldest i can get is 1.0.1
[00:30] < Mike1> i have been browsing everywhere :(
[00:30] < huebi> Mike1: Just update the versions yourself, ask tsa who updated many on SF, too.
[00:31] < huebi> tsa: Am I right?
[00:31] < Mike1> all the files that used to belong to abiword are now in a single package :(
[00:31] < Mike1> besides i dont want Clifford to kick my ass (he maintains that pkg)
[00:31] < tsa> huebi: sure..
[00:32] < Mike1> have a look at what i am missing
[00:32]   Mike1 Flood in #linux-sparc
[00:33] < huebi> Mike1: ftp://rocklinux.dyndns.org/rock-pkg-1.5/ext-archive/abiword/
[00:35] < Mike1> you have it????
[00:35] < Mike1> GOOD!
[00:35]   Mike1 was starting to demotivate
[00:35] < Mike1> thanks huebi :))
[00:35] < huebi> Mike1: I think it's better when you use the ext-pkgs on sourceforge. here they are allmost dead.
[00:36] < huebi> I only work on base+opt. And the extensions are compatible with the ones on SF
[00:36] < Mike1> yeah
[00:36] < Mike1> anyways i am almost finished :)
[00:38] < Mike1> Master huebi rulez!!
[00:38] < huebi> ;-))
[00:39] < Mike1> BTW i will have a look at ur files to see ig you got the sources i am missing ok?
[00:40] < huebi> of course, yes.
[00:40] < Mike1> danke
[00:40] < Mike1> hope some one cares about this iso i have been working really hard to get it
[00:55] < Mike1> huebi: a link to latest Create-CD script
[00:55] < Mike1> please
[00:56] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/scripts/
[00:56] < Mike1> *g
[00:57] < Mike1> danke
[01:11] < huebi> good night ;-)
[01:12] < huebi> last test build for 1.5.17 is started
[01:13] < Mike1> huebi: cool
[01:13] < Mike1> you going to bed now?
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[01:16] < tsa> n8
[01:16] < Mike1> n8 tsa
[01:16] < tsa> cu Mike1
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[01:16] < h0h0> "For now, GNU GRUB is not released publicly yet,"
[01:17] < h0h0> I thought rock used grub?
[01:17] < Mike1> h0h0: yes we do
[01:17] < Mike1> h0h0: ftp://alpha.gnu.org/gnu/grub/
[01:17] < h0h0> ok
[01:18] < h0h0> happen to know if it reads reiserfs partitions?
[01:18] < Mike1> sorry only experience with lilo and silo
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[01:18] < h0h0> silo?
[01:19] < Mike1> h0h0: is a bit similar to lilo but is used on sparc
[01:19] < h0h0> oh. guess I have no need for it then :)
[01:19] < Mike1> *g
[01:20] < Mike1> h0h0: anyways you just need a very small /boot partition to boot reiserfs partitions with lilo
[01:20] < h0h0> I beleive thats how I had my system setup originaly, but Ill have to ask fdisk if thats the case now
[01:20] < Mike1> hehe
[01:22] < h0h0> can it be the very last thing on the drive?
[01:22] < Mike1> no problem but i must be a primary partition
[01:22] < Mike1> +t
[01:23] < h0h0> hum, and can you have a primary partition after a extended partition?
[01:23] < Mike1> if you have available space _out_ of the space that you defined for the extended yes if not .. well no :(
[01:24] < h0h0> ahh
[01:27] < h0h0> hum, my extended partiton goes to cylinder 1244 and my disk has 1247 cylinders
[01:28] < Mike1> mmm
[01:28] < Mike1> you only need like 20MB for /boot
[01:30] < h0h0> my calculator shows that would give me 23 megs,
[01:30] < Mike1> give it a try :)
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[01:35] < h0h0> hum, well, my new partition doesn't seem to be showing up in /dev/discs/disc0/
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[01:36] < Mike1> re
[01:36] < h0h0> openprojects ipv6 split
[01:37] < Mike1> ?
[01:37] < h0h0> calvino, the openprojects.net ipv6 server, split
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[01:37] < Mike1> h0h0: yes
[01:37] < Mike1> re [anders]
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[01:39] < h0h0> is there anything special you have to do to get new partitions to show up in devfs?
[01:40] < Mike1> yes
[01:40] < Mike1> restart devfsd
[01:40] < Mike1> sometimes even reboot
[01:40] < Ge0rG> its that easy?
[01:40] < Mike1> Ge0rG: ?
[01:41] < Ge0rG> ok, actually this should be managed by the kernel driver. fdisk sends an ioctl to the kernel to reread the partition table. this would be the right place to recreate devices.
[01:42] < Mike1> killall -HUP /sbin/devfsd
[01:42] < Ge0rG> devfsd only handles /dev/hdx#, not /dev/discs/...
[01:43] < Mike1> Ge0rG: what are you talking about? devfsd handles /dev/discs/...
[01:43] < h0h0> -HUP did'nt do it
[01:43] < Mike1> h0h0: reboot
[01:43] < h0h0> bah
[01:44] < Ge0rG> Mike1: the kernel creates the nodes. devfsd maintains permissions and compatibility links
[01:45] < Mike1> Ge0rG: you got a box running rock near you?
[01:45] < Ge0rG> Mike1: nope, but two boxes with devfs
[01:45] < Mike1> Ge0rG: please ls /dev/ tell me what you see
[01:45] < Mike1> we use devfs
[01:46] < Ge0rG> shall I cut'n'paste?
[01:46] < Mike1> Ge0rG: you see any hdx
[01:46] < Ge0rG> no
[01:46] < Mike1> no
[01:46] < Ge0rG> Mike1: whats your point?
[01:46] < Mike1> now are you sure devfsd doesnt handle /dev/discs/... ??
[01:47] < Mike1> thats devfsd defaults
[01:47] < Ge0rG> Mike1: I can boot and use my machine without running devfsd. So the system must work without it
[01:47] < Mike1> pathetic distros are the one that even when they run devfsd make links to discs/.. or cdroms/..
[01:47] < h0h0> I dont see the partition under /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0
[01:48] < Mike1> h0h0: you fdisk and mke2fs?
[01:48] < h0h0> mke2fs is whats not working
[01:48] < h0h0> it cant find the device
[01:49] < Mike1> Ge0rG: sure when you dont boot with devfsd you are running pure ext2 or whatever you have
[01:49] < Ge0rG> h0h0: did you reboot?
[01:49] < h0h0> nope, but Ill do so now
[01:50] < Mike1> h0h0: if you dont reboot it will never show up
[01:50] < h0h0> hmm, rebooting is the root of all evil
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[01:50] < Ge0rG> Mike1: from the devfsd man page:
[01:50] < Ge0rG>        devfsd will read the special control  file  .devfsd  in  a
[01:50] < Ge0rG>        mounted  devfs,  listening for the creation and removal of
[01:50] < Ge0rG>        device entries (this is termed a  change  operation).
[01:50] < Ge0rG> it doesn't create or remove nodes - it only reacts on the creation events
[01:53] < Mike1> Ge0rG: yeap i know, guess i just couldnt make my self clear
[01:53] < Ge0rG> Mike1: so is there any other way than rebooting to make a new partition table and devfs consistent?
[01:54] < Mike1> maybe init 1 then go back to init 3
[01:55] < Ge0rG> don't think so - init doesn't do anything special to the kernel
[01:55] < Mike1> so devfsd can "react"
[01:55] < Ge0rG> except for init 0 ;)
[01:55] < Mike1> Ge0rG: i know but devfsd must be restarted in order for it to react with the new changes on the partition table
[01:56] < Ge0rG> Mike1: wait. /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part? are created by the kernel ide driver. that is what I try to tell you all the time :)
[01:56] < Mike1> k
[01:57] < Ge0rG> so HUPping devfsd won't bring us to our destination.
[01:57] < Mike1> if you init1 its should not HUP it but stop it
[01:58] < Ge0rG> even killing devfsd wouldn't change /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/
[01:58] < Ge0rG> and restarting it neither.
[01:58] < Mike1> so then init 6
[01:58] < Mike1> yes it would
[01:58] < Mike1> Ge0rG: i have done this before
[01:58] < Ge0rG> as you already said: rebooting is evil.
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[01:58] < Mike1> h0h0: said that :)
[01:58] < Mike1> re h0h0
[01:58] < Ge0rG> ah, ok.
[01:58] < Mike1> so it apeared?
[02:00] < Mike1> h0h0: ?
[02:00] < h0h0> sorry, fighting ipv6 abit
[02:00] < h0h0> yes its there
[02:00] < Mike1> good h0h0
[02:00] < Mike1> rebooting might have been eveil but worked
[02:01] < Mike1> -e
[02:01] < Ge0rG> but was it worth the price? ;)
[02:01] < h0h0> it did work
[02:01] < Mike1> Ge0rG: would you do it in another way?
[02:01] < h0h0> and I needed to switch kernels anyway, I just hoped I could do it with grub
[02:01] < Mike1> if so i wanna know so i dont have to reboot
[02:02] < Ge0rG> Mike1: I'm searching for an alternative approach...
[02:03] < Mike1> But without searching what would you do in this moment if you had to do it?
[02:03] < Ge0rG> reboot
[02:04] < Mike1> what i mean there is no point on going over someone trying to help somebody else critizacing the way he knows things work if you dont have an alternative and would fix the problem in the very same way
[02:05] < Mike1> thats not nice my friend
[02:05] < Ge0rG> Mike1: I'm really sorry, but I just was confused about the way you described with restarting devfsd.
[02:05] < Mike1> thought if you get an alternative besides reboot i'm all ears, believe i dont like to reboot my system
[02:06] < Mike1> Ge0rG: its ok, i was just trying to avoid reboot :)
[02:06] < h0h0> hum.
[02:06] < Mike1> and leave as the last option
[02:06] < h0h0> is it possible to install grub without the use of a floppy drive?
[02:06] < Ge0rG> Mike1: ok, thats honorable :)
[02:06] < Ge0rG> h0h0: you can run it from commandline. it might actually work :)
[02:07] < Mike1> ;)
[02:08] < Mike1> BTW have you got to build on the latest rock 1.5 tree snaps?
[02:09] < Mike1> ok i now have to get my self something to eat
[02:09] < Mike1> be back in a few minutes
[02:09] < h0h0> go eat! w00t!
[02:09] < Ge0rG> eating is a good idea
[02:10] < h0h0> I like to eat
[02:10] < h0h0> specificly, oaples and bononos
[02:12] < Ge0rG> eating is, like regenerating, a physical limitation of my brain container.
[02:20] < h0h0> nice. grub ftp is down
[02:22] < h0h0> well, Ill do it tommorow
[02:24] < Mike1> h0h0: no wait
[02:24] < Mike1> i can dcc the grub tar ball to you if you like
[02:25]   Mike1 eating but reading
[02:26] < h0h0> um, not sure if dcc will work
[02:26] < h0h0> but if you can ftp it to hoho.oh2600.com Id be great
[02:26] < Ge0rG> isn't chatting with a full mouth impolite? ;)
[02:26] < Mike1> lol
[02:27] < Mike1> h0h0: how fast if ur connection?
[02:27] < h0h0> cable
[02:27] < Mike1> ok perhaps you download the file from my host
[02:27]   Mike1 has a T1
[02:27] < h0h0> how big is it?
[02:27] < Mike1> 1.5MB/s
[02:28] < h0h0> I know the speed of a T1. How big is the tarball?
[02:28] < Mike1> oh mom
[02:28] < h0h0> how ever you want to do it
[02:29] < Mike1> [root@marte grub]# du -sh grub-0.92.tar.bz2
[02:29] < Mike1> 680kgrub-0.92.tar.bz2
[02:29] < Mike1> [root@marte grub]#
[02:29] < h0h0> ha. thats small enough to email even
[02:31] < Mike1> h0h0: https://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/rock/grub-0.92.tar.bz2
[02:31] < Mike1> there it is
[02:31] < h0h0> excelent
[02:32] < Mike1> any other source you need? i have almost every single rock 15 tree package
[02:32] < Mike1> including base opt and ext
[03:01] < h0h0> oh
[03:01] < h0h0> is that a rock source? or a generic source?
[03:02] < Mike1> is the sources needed to build rock but for now the are just generic :)
[03:02] < Mike1> +y
[03:02] < h0h0> good.
[03:03] < h0h0> and dancer ircd has no such mode +y
[03:03] < Mike1> h0h0: i ment as i missed a y on the previous line
[03:03] < h0h0> genericy?
[03:03] < h0h0> oh, they
[03:04] < h0h0> ok
[03:04] < Mike1> yup
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[03:11] < th> re
[03:11] < Mike1> re th
[03:11] < Mike1> How are you ?
[03:11] < Ge0rG> huhu th
[03:12] < th> Mike1: well, thanks
[03:12] < th> hi Ge0rG
[03:13] < th> someone knows scsi-cable style 2919 or a URL where to lookup?
[03:19] < Mike1> th: no sorry my friend :(
[03:21] < th> Mike1: i'm afraid it's not LVDable.
[03:21] < Mike1> th: oh
[03:21] < th> Mike1: so that would be the reason for all these backup problems and weird kernel-ring-buffer-messages
[03:22] < Mike1> what are you willing to do ?
[03:23] < th> fixing that ECRIX-autopak + arkeia installation
[03:34] < Ge0rG> cu
[03:34] < Mike1> n8 Ge0rG
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[03:56] < Mike1> lo Freak
[03:57] < Freak> hi again Mike1 :)
[03:57] < Mike1> what are you doing up this late?
[03:57] < Freak> was playing bzflag.. and now.. dunno.. still awake.. not tired..
[03:58] < Mike1> hehe
[03:58] < Mike1> nice
[03:58] < Freak> and I have a can of Jolt cola left..
[03:58] < Freak> dunno if I drink it..
[03:58] < Freak> maybe I go to bed though :)
[03:58] < Mike1> haha
[03:58] < Freak> I could like.. call for the cat..
[03:58] < Freak> brb
[04:00] < Freak> hmm
[04:00] < Freak> no, doesn't respond.. :)
[04:01] < Mike1> lol
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[04:31] < Mike1> still awake Freak?
[04:31] < Freak> yup
[04:31] < Mike1> guess what?
[04:31] < Freak> watching my setis..
[04:31] < Freak> what?
[04:31] < Freak> *guessing*
[04:32] < Mike1> I almost finished getting all the base opt and ext files to create the srcs isod
[04:32] < Mike1> s/isod/isos
[04:32] < Freak> great.. I think
[04:32] < Mike1> for the 1.5 tree
[04:32] < Freak> (:
[04:32] < Mike1> yup
[04:32] < Mike1> only missing 2 package from extensions
[04:32] < Freak> have we accidentially met on LinuxTag? :)
[04:33] < Freak> I think I only made contact with rxr
[04:33] < Mike1> Freak: no i didnt had the honor
[04:33] < Freak> heh :)
[04:33] < Freak> next year
[04:34] < Mike1> perhaps are you going to 19c3?
[04:34] < Freak> I don't think
[04:34] < Freak> it's very far from here to berlin..
[04:34] < Freak> and isnt it 20c3?
[04:34] < Freak> or am I messing that up now..
[04:35] < Mike1> yeah you are
[04:35] < Mike1> last year it was 18c3 :)
[04:35] < Mike1> where are you BTW?
[04:35] < Freak> was that 18c3 last year..
[04:35] < Freak> ok
[04:35] < Freak> Pforzheim
[04:35] < Freak> near Stuttgart/Karlsruhe :)
[04:35] < Mike1> Freak: well you are a lot closer than i am
[04:36] < Freak> heh
[04:36] < Mike1> a lot >_<
[04:36] < Freak> we'll see
[04:36] < Freak> (:
[04:36] < Freak> where are you exactly?
[04:36] < Freak> or..
[04:36] < Mike1> Costa Rica
[04:36] < Freak> Costa Rica!
[04:36] < Freak> wow
[04:36] < Mike1> yup
[04:36] < Freak> (:
[04:36] < Mike1> so i am farter than you are
[04:36] < Mike1> ;)
[04:36] < Freak> heh
[04:37] < Freak> and will you fly here?
[04:37] < Freak> I mean
[04:37] < Freak> come to the 19c3
[04:37] < Mike1> yes
[04:37] < Freak> how can you afford it?
[04:37] < Mike1> i work :)
[04:37] < Freak> heh
[04:37] < Mike1> besides i'm working on moving to frankfurt
[04:37] < Freak> ah
[04:38] < Freak> getting a job there?
[04:38] < Mike1> besides the tickets wont cost me more than $1000
[04:38] < Freak> lol
[04:38] < Mike1> studying and working yeah
[04:38] < Freak> that's enuff
[04:38] < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17.private]# ./scripts/Download -list-missing      
[04:38] < Mike1> ext-archive/ace/ACE+TAO.tar.bz2
[04:38] < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17.private]#
[04:38] < Freak> you could like buy me a car :)
[04:38] < Mike1> lol
[04:38] < Mike1> how old are you Freak?
[04:38] < Freak> or at least a laptop..
[04:38] < Freak> 19
[04:39] < Mike1> i'm 20
[04:39] < Freak> lol
[04:39] < Mike1> ;)
[04:39] < Freak> ok
[04:39] < Freak> hey I just finished school two weeks ago
[04:39] < Freak> and you..
[04:39] < Freak> omg I don't wanna think of it :)
[04:39] < Mike1> so i guess you will soon be getting enought money to get a laptop with a risk processor :)
[04:40] < Freak> hmm
[04:40] < Mike1> i finished high school when i was 16
[04:40] < Freak> have to do social work for a year now
[04:40] < Mike1> hehe
[04:40] < Freak> that is instead of going to the army
[04:40] < Mike1> Freak: and i started university at 17
[04:40] < Freak> and afterwards..
[04:40] < Freak> I dunno..
[04:40] < Freak> wow
[04:40] < Mike1> Freak: why not the army?
[04:40] < Freak> how come, you kinda genius or something? or is that regular?
[04:41]   Freak is a pacifist
[04:41] < Mike1> lets just say i worked really hard :)
[04:42] < Mike1> most people here finish high school at 17 or 18
[04:42] < Freak> so I guess it's not regular.. you just.. left out some classes
[04:42] < Freak> ok
[04:42] < Freak> I admire that :)
[04:42] < Mike1> thanks
[04:43] < Mike1> got rocked when i was 18 i think
[04:43] < Mike1> or 19 not sure
[04:43] < Freak> rocked? is that "using rock"?
[04:43] < Mike1> yup of course
[04:43] < Freak> ok ;)
[04:43] < Mike1> how about you
[04:43] < Freak> never heard that before, sorry :)
[04:43] < Freak> not yet :)
[04:43] < Freak> I just successfully migrated to debian
[04:43] < Mike1> how come? i've seen you around for a while
[04:44] < Mike1> from what?
[04:44] < Freak> from mdk (mandrake)
[04:44] < Freak> how come? well .. I was camping with the windowmaker-booth-guys
[04:44] < Freak> at linuxtag you know..
[04:44] < Freak> and they had windowmaker of course.. so I fell in love with windowmaker.
[04:44] < Freak> and they had debian
[04:45] < Freak> and I fell in love with debian :)
[04:45] < Mike1> hehe nice
[04:45] < Freak> I had the opportunity to meet rxr and hear his speech about rock there
[04:45] < Mike1> i would like to meet those guys from windowmaker sometime
[04:45] < Freak> so that's why I'm here :)
[04:45] < Freak> I like rock
[04:45] < Freak> like.. what I heard of it :)
[04:45] < Freak> but I'm too lazy to get rocked
[04:46] < Mike1> you certainly should
[04:46] < Mike1> rock 1.6.0 stable is close to be released it could be good chance for you
[04:46] < Freak> well you know.. I think if debian adopts the ports system.. it's just as good
[04:46] < Mike1> i started rocking with 1.2
[04:47] < Mike1> Freak: oh well rock and debian are pretty different
[04:47] < Freak> I think so :)
[04:47] < Mike1> but certainly migrating from Mandrake to debian has been a GREAT decition
[04:47] < Freak> hehe
[04:47] < Freak> I was on mandrake for some months only
[04:48] < Freak> before that I was on SuSE for almost a year
[04:48] < Freak> and before that.. let's not talk about it ;)
[04:49] < Mike1> Freak: hehe ok
[04:49] < Mike1> the mistakes you made in the past are not important is the way you face future what matters
[04:50] < Freak> is that a citation? :)
[04:50] < Mike1> no i just made it my self
[04:50] < Mike1> :)
[04:50] < Freak> hehe
[04:51] < Mike1> Freak: believe you must get to Build a rock linux distro, its an amazing experience
[04:52] < Freak> (:
[04:52] < Mike1> sometimes is a pain in the ass but when you fix the problems you feel great
[04:52] < Freak> heh =)
[04:52] < Mike1> and when you finish the build and you create the cds
[04:53] < Mike1> and look at then and you say to ur self wow i built a whole linux distro from 1 floppy disk with source
[04:53] < Mike1> thats an incredible feeling
[04:53] < Mike1> at least for me
[04:53] < Freak> I think so
[04:53] < Freak> but as I said.. I'm too lazy
[04:54] < Mike1> lol
[04:54] < Mike1> ok Mr lazy Freak you could just get an iso image and install it :)
[04:54] < Freak> but if I should set up a new box in the future.. and debian hasnt adopted the ability to build everything from sources yet.. I will try rock
[04:55] < Freak> well I can have an iso image of debian as well..
[04:55] < Freak> nah never mind :)
[04:55] < Freak> I believe you how great it is.. and I really would like to try it.. but I need my box and can't wait as long as to build it from source..
[04:57] < Mike1> then just install it from an iso
[04:57] < Mike1> :)
[04:58] < Freak> hey the sun is already rising over here..
[04:58] < Freak> it's 5am
[04:59] < Mike1> lol
[04:59] < Mike1> its 9pm here
[04:59] < Freak> what time is it over there?
[04:59] < Freak> heh
[05:00] < Mike1> pretty soon developpers will start to come back again
[05:00] < Freak> (:
[05:01] < Mike1> i believe one of the first ones if not the first one will he huebi
[05:01] < Mike1> he and [anders] will be very happy to see i finished the sources isos
[05:01] < Freak> :)
[05:03] < Mike1> well i actually just finished to download no i need to ./scripts/Create-CD sources { base | ext }
[05:10] < Freak> I think I have to go to bed now..
[05:10] < Freak> gnite Mike1
[05:10] < Mike1> n8 Freak
[05:10] < Mike1> or moin
[05:10] < Mike1> ;)
[05:10] < Mike1> bye
[05:11] < Freak> hehe
[05:11] < Freak> cu
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[06:57] < huebi> moin
[06:57] < Mike1> hello huebi
[06:57] < Mike1> wie geht es ihnen?
[06:57] < huebi> morning mike. I'm fine. I just woke up
[06:58] < Mike1> ich wiess
[06:58] < Mike1> :)
[06:58] < Mike1> sleep well?
[06:58] < huebi> *g*
[06:58] < Mike1> huebi: did you already ahd a look at th email that i sent to the mailing list?
[06:58] < huebi> Yes, I did.
[06:59] < huebi> erm, no I didn't but Ill have now
[06:59] < Mike1> lol
[06:59] < Mike1> no problem
[06:59] < Mike1> i hope you are please with that mail :)
[06:59] < Mike1> s/please/pleased
[07:03] < [anders]> arrrf....
[07:03] < Mike1> good mourning [anders]
[07:03] < [anders]> package slang will probably need an addition to the slang.conf
[07:03] < huebi> morning [anders]
[07:03] < [anders]> re Mike1 huebi
[07:03] < [anders]> :)
[07:04] < [anders]> MAKE="make -j1" to be added in slang.conf
[07:04] < Mike1> [anders]: read my mail to the rock mailing list?
[07:04] < [anders]> Mike1: No, not yet.. but I read parts of the scroll-back.. :)
[07:04] < [anders]> you have some ISO's... :)
[07:04] < Mike1> [anders]: lol
[07:04] < Mike1> [anders]: maybe you look at the mail and see whats left got you on it
[07:05] < [anders]> huebi: do you want me to add to slang.conf or do you want the honour? :)
[07:05] < [anders]> Mike1: I can't check the mail until I get to work in about two hours time.
[07:06] < Mike1> [anders]: ok what the hell: https://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.5/1.5.7/
[07:06] < Mike1> have fun!
[07:07] < Mike1> oops
[07:08] < Mike1> [anders]: https://www.hack-solutions.com/~mike2/ROCK/1.5/1.5.17/
[07:08] < Mike1> the previous url was wrong
[07:08] < [anders]> aah.. a missing '1' :)
[07:08] < Mike1> yup
[07:09] < Mike1> now look at it :)
[07:09] < [anders]> huebi: I've added 'MAKE="$MAKE -j1' to top of slang.conf  as slang seems to sometimes fail if you build with -j2...
[07:09] < [anders]> Mike1: ok, one sec..
[07:09] < huebi> Mike1: I read the mail. Thank you for your work.
[07:11] < [anders]> Mike1: well, one ISO being downloaded right this minute.. :)
[07:11]   Mike1 guesses its the ext one
[07:11] < Mike1> huebi: no need to thank me is an honor :)
[07:12] < [anders]> Mike1: many thanks for sorting out the ISO's.. it has been on my wishlist for a looooong time.. :)
[07:12] < Mike1> [anders]: you are welcome, perhaps we should now try to keep it its pretty usefull
[07:13] < Mike1> just hope i didnt bother to much while i was doing then
[07:13] < Mike1> BTW huebi and [anders] thanks a lot for been patient with me and for your help and support
[07:14] < huebi> [anders]: Anders Karlsson <- is this your real name? for the cvs log.
[07:14] < [anders]> huebi: yes, that is correct. :)
[07:14] < huebi> Mike1: you're very welcome. ;-)
[07:14] < [anders]> Mike1: Thank You for your help and support. :)
[07:15] < Mike1> no its time to test the iso with a nice build
[07:15] < Mike1> s/no/now
[07:16] < [anders]> huebi: I am running the ia32 build with make -j2 and it is breaking some packages.. in general, just starting the build again seems to work, but the packages that fail, I update the .conf for. That OK?
[07:16] < [anders]> Mike1: once I get the ISO, I will try it out. :)
[07:17] < Mike1> [anders]: thanks i will too :)
[07:17] < [anders]> in any event... time for breakfast and shower.. :)
[07:17] < [anders]> biab
[07:17] < huebi> [anders]: yes, do it.
[07:24] < huebi> 258 pkgs are finished now.
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[07:30] < Mike1> re h0h0
[07:31]   huebi reading log
[07:45] < Mike1> ok guys i now need to go home and get some sleep
[07:45] < Mike1> see you in a few hours
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[08:12] < huebi> h0h0: grub is in 1.5.12 - 1.5.17
[08:43] < [anders]> morning folks.. :)
[08:44] < [anders]> uff... building qt...
[08:45] < huebi> [== 03:32:57 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17].
[08:45] < huebi> == 05:06:51 07/10/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt.
[08:46] < [anders]> Hmm.. and you are building on an XP1800+ ?
[08:46] < huebi> [anders]: No.
[08:46] < huebi> [anders]: a dual XP1800+
[08:46] < huebi> hehe
[08:46] < huebi> make -j 16
[08:46] < [anders]> *weep*
[08:47] < [anders]> I'm only using -j2, as that should be well sufficent for a UP box..
[08:47] < huebi> [anders]: I tried make -jx out with compiling kernels.
[08:48] < [anders]> huebi: the kernels generally will allow parallel compiling no problem..
[08:48] < huebi> x=16 was a little bit faster than x=8 on my dual box
[08:49] < huebi> qt allows dual compiling as well.
[08:49] < huebi> or better parallel.
[08:49] < [anders]> I found two packages this morning which doesn't work every time with -jx where x>1
[08:49] < huebi> did you have a look in cvs?
[08:49] < [anders]> i have updated the conf's..
[08:49] < [anders]> Not yet.. Will do that now..
[08:50] < [anders]> not quite half way pulling the ext-ISO as well.. :)
[08:51] < huebi> one idea on linuxtag was to make a built CD. Ther will be a fairly big rescue system with all programs to compile ROCK Linux on it and also all base+opt sources.
[08:53] < huebi> Then a new box can be setup with compiling all from scratch without having an OS on it at first.
[08:54] < [anders]> huebi: that is a good idea.. :)
[08:54] < huebi> Yes. And I think I then can leave off the rescue image from the normal CD.
[08:55] < huebi> rock-debug should be finished in 2 mins...
[08:57] < [anders]> hehehe
[08:58] < [anders]> argh.. compiling Qt is making my box like syrup...!
[09:00] < [anders]> huebi: missing close doublequote in slang.conf
[09:02] < huebi> [anders]: thank you.
[09:03] < huebi> applied
[09:04] < [anders]> :)
[09:07] < huebi> 7:48h for the build.
[09:10] < [anders]> huebi: did yuo get anywhere with the 'tar --use-compress-program' bits yesterday?
[09:11] < [anders]> under 8 hours? It'll take 14h+ for me.. and that is just base+opt
[09:11] < huebi> [anders]: Yes, I think you make  also a complete rebuild (Stage 5). I leave that out for faster testing.
[09:12] < [anders]> yeah, I do stage 5 as well just to verify that nothing went wrong in stage 1-4..
[09:14] < huebi> my SUN Ulrta 30 with 300Mhz needs about 14h for qt and 37h for the whole build. So I don't like the rebuild time. But it is a very good idea to rebuild the stuff with stage 5 to be really shure all things went right. ;-))
[09:19] < huebi> Now I setup my bos with the new build and see if that works. If all is right I release 1.5.17 in about 2h.
[09:19]   huebi having a shower...
[09:24] < [anders]> huebi: ok.. it is building for me, but I don't have the Create-CD patch in quite yet..
[09:24] < [anders]> (build not finished yet, still in stage 3)
[09:35] < [anders]> I have now applied the bits from CVS and the only things I have now that are different should be the command line options to tar. (and possibly version strings in parse-config and VERSION). Other than that, things should be quite similar.
[09:52] < [anders]> I have downloaded the snap that Mike1 used to download the extensions with. I'll add that to my snap in a bit. In the meantime I have to do some work here.. :)
[09:54] < huebi> [anders]: ACk, have fun with your work, too. I have to rewrit  some documentation now. The mailserver did not send it and I deleted it after sending ;(((
[09:57] < [anders]> whoops.. :)
[09:58] < huebi> [anders]: Ye, a new administrator not very firm in sendmail and RFC's
[09:58] < [anders]> heh, I do not envy you that work.. :)
[10:05] < [anders]> huebi: would you like me to generate patches for each individual file I have changed the tar commands for?
[10:05] < [anders]> i.e. a patch a file..
[10:08] < huebi> [anders]: [anders] That is a very good idea. So I can test each file separatly.
[10:09] < [anders]> huebi: will do that.. do you want me to create them, then tar them up and upload to rocklinux.dyndns.org ?
[10:09] < huebi> [anders]: yes, please.
[10:12] < [anders]> huebi: give me a while to do it.. I'll let you know when the archive has been uploaded.
[10:13] < huebi> [anders]: jo, thank you.
[10:13]   huebi cleaning up my office...
[10:34] < th> morning
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[10:34] < th> huebi: it has been a wrong scsi-cable i suppose
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[10:40] < huebi> moin th
[10:40] < huebi> moin rxr
[10:41] < huebi> th: wrong cable ore a broken one
[10:41] < huebi> ?
[10:53] < th> huebi: wrong one
[10:53] < th> huebi: not a LVD cable
[10:59] < huebi> brb
[11:05] < rxr> re
[11:07] < huebi> re
[11:07] < huebi> moin rxr
[11:08]   huebi using the Krups now.
[11:16]   huebi installing 1.5.17 for ia32 k7
[11:25] < huebi> * reboot
[11:37] < huebi> Gnome has no Xinerama support anymore . The window manager works with xinerama but Gnome not.
[11:37] < huebi> any suggestions concerning this?
[11:46] < [anders]> no idea.. starting to get the patches together.. do you want them in matching directory hierarchy as the files they modify or would you prefer them all in one directory. I apply them with patch -p2 and they work.. Tested each one against the CVS tree...
[11:47] < [anders]> I also have to think about how the exclude file works for diff as there are many files modified in the subdists directory...
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[11:52] < huebi> [anders]: Give me the files sorted in directories, please.
[11:52] < [anders]> huebi: ok, will do. :)
[11:55] < huebi> rxr: can you help me with Gnome and Xinerama?
[11:56] < [anders]> huebi: libgtop fails building..
[11:57] < [anders]> huebi: you haven't got any changes to it since yesterday have you>
[11:58] < huebi> [anders]: no, no changes at libgtop
[11:59] < huebi> [anders]: can you check it in cvs, please?
[12:02] < esden> hi all
[12:03] < huebi> moin esden
[12:03] < huebi> esden: can sawmill can do Xinerama?
[12:03] < esden> no idea ...
[12:04] < esden> huebi: is this error known?:
[12:04] < esden> Creating gcc wrapper program (lib/gcc-wrapper).
[12:04] < esden> In file included from /usr/include/signal.h:307,
[12:04] < esden>                  from /usr/include/sys/wait.h:30,
[12:04] < esden>                  from misc/lib-source/gcc-wrapper.c:6:
[12:04] < esden> /usr/include/bits/sigcontext.h:28: asm/sigcontext.h: No such file or directory
[12:04] < esden> /floodend
[12:05] < [anders]> huebi: I'll check it against CVS, but as of this morning, there was no changes.. I might have to start the build from scratch to find out if this is a real problem..
[12:05] < esden> what have you done to the kernel package build scripts this time ... >_<
[12:05] < huebi> esden: Yes. usre teh new linux* pkgs. They work. now and generate the right header files in /usr/include
[12:06] < huebi> [anders]: did something fail before that error?
[12:07] < [anders]> huebi: screen and slang iirc.. but both of those carried on after restart..
[12:07] < esden> huebi: ok
[12:08] < huebi> esden: The old kernel packages had a big problem with the include files. If you have uninstalled the linux package glibc had no include  files anymore. Really Bad that thing.
[12:09] < huebi> Now the header files from the kernel are copied to /usr/include/{asm,linux}. All should be fine then if you do not pkg-remove linux-header
[12:10] < huebi> should we better call it linux-headers?
[12:11] < esden> hmm ... I think that is ok
[12:11] < esden> you can change it if you want ...
[12:12] < huebi> jo, I know...
[12:12] < huebi> ;-)
[12:12] < rxr> huebi: I'm just wondering whether you have already sent the Slowlaris CD to me ? ;-)
[12:12] < huebi> but I want to find a good consece for all.
[12:13] < huebi> rxr: No, I didn't I just found them while cleanig up here. Can you give me your address again, please. (I send armijns CD today too)
[12:15] < rxr> huebi: ;-) sure
[12:16] < esden> huebi: if I remember correctly sawmill supports Xinerama
[12:18] < esden> 30  D  Jul 10 Christine Hall  ( 2.5K) WWW2.ROCKLINUX.DE
[12:18] < esden> muahaha
[12:18] < esden> that is cool
[12:18] < esden> I get now spam because of rocklinux >_<
[12:20] < esden> huebi: should the linux-header pacage not be built in stage 1 ?
[12:22] < esden> ohh ... i think i see the problem ...
[12:24] < esden> argh ... ok .. i forgot the -d option while running cvs up
[12:24] < esden> ok ... now all works
[12:27] < huebi> esden: cvs up -dP is the prefered way
[12:27] < huebi> ;-)
[12:27] < esden> yes now I know
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[12:38] < esden> only for info I got vim downto 360kb binary ... it is only 5kb bigger than nvi
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[12:40] < [anders]> huebi: getting close to having all the patches now.. Will pull CVS, try and apply all of them and if that works, I'll tar them up and pass them on to you.. :)
[12:44]   esden registred @ bk
[12:44] < esden> i have to test it ...
[12:44] < esden> and I want the newest kernel sources
[12:44] < [anders]> esden: is bk any good?
[12:45] < esden> [anders]: I will know when I have tested it ... I would prefere if it would be under gpl ... but one can not have everything
[12:46] < [anders]> Quite.. Linus himself said that if something equivalent of BitKeeper had been GPL, he would have used it, but as there was nothing as good as BK, he decided to use that..
[12:47] < [anders]> I must say, can't fault the logic there. VMware is the best tool for the type of job it does and I do not have a problem paying for the software as it serves the purpose. If it was more expensive I would perhaps think about it..
[12:47] < esden> yes I know ... I have followed the whole discussion ... that is why I want to test it
[12:48] < [anders]> If the tools are good and there is no free alternative, paying for them isn't so bad..
[12:48] < [anders]> :)
[12:48] < esden> [anders]: sure that is also my philosophy
[12:48] < [anders]> Hence why I use OpenOffice and not StarOffice.. :-D
[12:48] < esden> hehe
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[12:49] < bluefire> Hi
[12:49] < [anders]> re bluefire
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[12:51] < holyolli> moin
[12:51] < [anders]> esden: so how is the work with dietlibc going? I understand that not everything works with it.
[12:51] < [anders]> re holyolli
[12:51] < holyolli> hi anders
[13:00] < esden> [anders]: i currently have to get alpha port further ... I havo also exams at the moment .. when my exams are over I will continue with the dietlibc target ... I have many patches still laying around on my machine ... but I have not found the time to submit them ... I will do it hopefully soon ... the problem with the patches is that they are really nasty ... and should be cleaned up ...
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[13:01] < esden> I know that not all is working on dietlibc ... but I also know when I/we investy enough effort then we can get all running on it ... also helping the dietlibc developers to create a full quality libc ...
[13:01] < esden> that is smaller and cleaner than glibc ... but there is still long way to go ... but someone has to go this way ...
[13:02] < esden> uclibc would be also an alternative ... but this is a stripped down glibc .... and I do not like this idea
[13:02] < esden> hi holyolli
[13:06] < huebi> moin holyolli ;-)
[13:07] < esden> I will create a uClibc target .. I have already started with it on my laptop ... but I have not done much on it @ [anders]
[13:07] < esden> argh .. I need a faster alpha >_< ... this compiles need years
[13:08] < huebi> esden: read fakes CrosCC Howto *eg*
[13:08] < [anders]> esden: I see.. the dietlibc would be really nice to get going.. It should perhaps even be faster than glibc ?
[13:10] < esden> [anders]: I have already built a full system that you can changeroot in on dietlibc ... so I know it is possible to make a full system based on dietlibc
[13:10] < esden> but currently many things in 1.7 have been changed ... so I have to fix all that before I continue wit the real work ...
[13:12] < esden> [anders]: I think that it will be really faster than gilbc ... on example ... I need to compile glibc on hour or so ... dietlibc needs less then then 5 minutes
[13:12] < rxr> esden: remeber to checkout my fixed 1.7 tree via rsync ...
[13:12] < rxr> maybe I have the time to put all of my souces into subversion within the next days ...
[13:12] < esden> rxr: yes I will but I am currently concentrating on my exams and alpha ...
[13:13] < esden> rxr: I wish you a lot of luck with subversion ...
[13:13] < rxr> esden: sure ;-)
[13:13] < [anders]> esden: yes, it saves on compile-time.. what about at runtime?
[13:14] < holyolli> hi esden, huebi
[13:15] < holyolli> esden: have you already tested the current snap with alpha?
[13:15] < esden> I have not made performance tests with dietlibc till now ... I will do it when I come back to work on this target ...
[13:15] < esden> holyolli: I am testing the cvs checkout currently
[13:16] < [anders]> argh.. uploading an 8kb file taking more than 2 minutes. that is baaaaad!
[13:16] < esden> I have fixed some bugs in the last days
[13:16] < holyolli> esden: nice! which ones?
[13:17] < esden> with minicom ... there was something ...
[13:17] < huebi> [anders]: moment please...
[13:18] < [anders]> huebi: patches uploaded..
[13:18] < holyolli> esden: any idea why qt doesn't compile?
[13:18] < esden> but before that i have done som fixes to the linux kernel packages ... added optimalization for this 30 different alpha processors
[13:18] < SMP> hi.
[13:18] < [anders]> re SMP
[13:18] < esden> holyolli: I have not reached it till now ...
[13:18] < esden> hi SMP
[13:18] < holyolli> esden: ah
[13:18] < huebi> [anders]: The line is free now.
[13:18] < huebi> Moin SMP ;-))
[13:18] < [anders]> huebi: already managed to get them up.. :)
[13:19] < holyolli> hi smp
[13:19] < huebi> minicom is fixed.
[13:19] < [anders]> huebi: hope it all is in order, I have tried with patching the tree from CVS and it all works..
[13:19] < esden> == 13:26:05 =[2]=> Building base package ncurses [5.2 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20]. @ holyolli
[13:19] < holyolli> ah
[13:20] < huebi> the tar ball of minicom and it's URL changed. But not the version.
[13:20] < esden> I was much more advanced but huebi changed some things with kernel packages ... so I restarted the build to make sure all works fine
[13:21]   [anders] will kick off another build now with the latest private tree and hope for the best..
[13:22] < esden> [anders]: I wish you luck
[13:23] < [anders]> esden: thanks.. :) It fell over on libgtop before.. in stage 3.. I hope to get further this time..
[13:24] -!- Netsplit sendak.openprojects.net <-> irc.openprojects.net quits: [anders]
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[13:25] < huebi> re [anders]
[13:25] < esden> re [anders]
[13:27] < [anders]> re huebi esden
[13:27] -!- WKaibigan [~Aloicious@ACB402FE.ipt.aol.com] has joined #rocklinux
[13:27] < esden> does anyone of you want to spend me a DS20E with two 833Mhz processors and 2Gb ram ... ?
[13:27] < holyolli> esden: www.ebay.com
[13:27] < esden> 1 GB should be enough too
[13:27] < holyolli> ;)
[13:27] < esden> holyolli: I have no money ... >_<
[13:27] < esden> I have not seen money for years .... >_<
[13:27] < huebi> esden: Do you have stones or potatoes?
[13:27] < holyolli> ./dcc send esden colorprinter
[13:27] < holyolli> ;)
[13:28] -!- Caspar__ [~steven261@212186221174.teleweb.at] has joined #rocklinux
[13:28] < esden> huebi: yes ... have some stones in my shues
[13:29] < esden> holyolli: thanks
[13:29] < huebi> esden: Pure carbone stones?
[13:29] < Caspar__> Hi ! Anyone expirience with coda ?
[13:29] < esden> huebi: no ... ... I have no cole here ;-)
[13:30] < huebi> esden: made with high pressure und temperatur out of olg dinosaurs?
[13:30] < esden> and diamonds either
[13:30] < huebi> yes diamonds that was the word I searched for ;-)))
[13:31] < SMP> someone here was fiddeling with ACPI on 2.4?
[13:31] < th> SMP: no. but tell me about it after you did, please.
[13:31] < huebi> SMP: I use it on my dual XP.
[13:32] < SMP> where can I find the patch?
[13:32] < SMP> for the backport from 2.5, I mean
[13:34] < huebi> It shuts down fine. That is all I need. I activated: [*] Prompt for development and/or incomplete code/drivers
[13:35] < huebi> Then there is:
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[13:35] < huebi> General setup  ---> [*]   ACPI support                                        
[13:36] < huebi> No patch. It's in 2.4.18
[13:36] < huebi> SMP: Is it that, what you want?
[13:36] < SMP> I know this, but it sucks
[13:37] < huebi> ACK
[13:37] < SMP> there must be a backport of the ACPI subsystem from 2.5
[13:38] < huebi> SMP: Perhaps in the kernel SRPMs of RH, SuSE, mdk?
[13:39] < [anders]> == 12:38:23 =[1]=> Building base package 00-dirtree [1.5.17-private 1.5.17-private].
[13:40] < [anders]> SMP: I was tinkering with it, and having big problems..
[13:40] < SMP> [anders]: the backport from 2.5? where can I get it?
[13:40] < [anders]> SMP: no, just the plain ACPI in 2.4.18
[13:40] < [anders]> it kept locking my box up..
[13:41] < SMP> the plain ACPI just sucks
[13:41] < [anders]> (and locking it to the point I had to remove power to get it back..)
[13:41] < [anders]> I thought I had cooked the CPU..
[13:45] < rxr> SMP: acpi.sf.net or so ...
[13:47] < [anders]> SMP: https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/
[13:48] < [anders]> "2.4.18 + acpi-20020611 / 2.5.21 +
[13:48] < [anders]> acpi-20020611 / 2.5.22 or later"
[13:48] < [anders]> that could be the latest acpi for 2.4.18 there is at the moment..
[13:49] < [anders]> https://acpi.sourceforge.net
[13:51] < SMP> can't find any patches at acpi.sf.net ..
[13:51] < huebi> https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/20020611/bugfixes.html
[13:52] < SMP> 'should remove bugs in the Linux acpi-20020611 release'
[13:53] < SMP> so I need that acpi-20020611 release first
[13:53] < huebi> https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/pci_irq/pciirq.27.acpi24.diff
[13:53] < huebi> https://www.brodo.de/english/pub/acpi/pci_irq/index.html
[13:54] < rxr> SMP: https://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=36832&release_id=98870
[13:55] < SMP> ah! thanks
[13:55] < SMP> but I might go with the ACPI parts from WOLK-3.5-pre3
[13:56] < rxr> SMP: for whta do you use WOLK ????
[13:56] < SMP> for ripping out the ACPI patches
[13:57] < rxr> ah i c
[13:58] < SMP> hmm
[13:58] < SMP> ALSA, preempt and lowlatency are also in there
[13:59]   SMP going to give wolk-3.5-rc3 a shot :}
[14:00] < SMP> ls linux-2.4.18-wolk3.5-rc3-patchset/ | wc -l
[14:00] < SMP>     515
[14:01] < SMP> hell.
[14:01] < SMP> it has a 'working' in it, right? ;>
[14:10] < fake_> what is wolk?
[14:10] < fake_> o_O?
[14:10] < fake_> aaaah! i am infected by a "_"
[14:10] < esden> fake_: Working Overloaded Linux Kernel
[14:10] -!- fake_ is now known as fake
[14:10] < fake> esden: aaah. you told me about it
[14:10] < esden> a patchset to the standard vanilla kernel
[14:11] < esden> fake: yups
[14:11] < fake> where to get? *g*
[14:11] < esden> fake: r u @ work or @ homu
[14:11] < esden> e
[14:11] < fake> *killing spare time at work*
[14:11] < esden> work.sf.net ?
[14:11] < esden> argh
[14:11] < esden> i mean wolk.sf.net
[14:11] < fake> i c
[14:12] < esden> or www.sf.net/projects/wolk
[14:12] < snyke> re
[14:12] < esden> hi snyke
[14:12] < esden> and yes hi fake  ;-)
[14:12] < fake> *ROFL* @WOLK-Logo
[14:12]   esden compiling linus linux kernel tree checkout ... fresh and hot checkout from bk
[14:13] < esden> fake: hehe .. this pinguil is FAT ;-) rolf as a penguin
[14:17] < fake> esden: which version is that ? 2.5.25-preX ?
[14:18] < esden> #define UTS_RELEASE "2.5.25"
[14:18] < esden> #define LINUX_VERSION_CODE 132377
[14:18] < esden> from include/linux/version.h
[14:19] < fake> ah.
[14:20]   fake gibt sich Nightwish
[14:25] < esden> ok ... build ready ... /me testing kernel ... brb
[14:25] < [anders]> huebi: does the patches make any sense? :)
[14:26]   huebi dreaming of a kernel working only as module loader. Never reboot again - just through the box away.
[14:26] < fake> 499 patches...
[14:26] < fake> huebi: MACH
[14:27] < huebi> If I had the knowledge I would have it done.
[14:27] < fake> huebi: neine ich meine den MACH-Kernel
[14:27] < fake> *lol*
[14:28] < huebi> axo *g*
[14:29]   [anders] needs a mug of tea.. Preferable Lapsang Souchong....
[14:29] < [anders]> feels like drinking a cigar... *g*
[14:31]   fake is laughning his ass off
[14:32] < fake> WOLK is using the vanilla sources like it were some cheap nasty bitch...
[14:35] < esden> not working >_<
[14:35] < fake> NWOLK ;-)
[14:35] < esden> the 2.5 tree does not like my ide chipset
[14:35] < huebi> esden: enable the "Kerner lamer mode"
[14:36] < esden> huebi: yes ... that will help for sure
[14:36] < [anders]> I like the WOLKcontributor, "Oliver Xymoron"
[14:36] < esden> huebi: but I wanted to do it the hard way ;-)
[14:36] < fake> "Now booting the... wait. you are a Lamer? Booting Windows...."
[14:36] < [anders]> hehehe.. nice name..
[14:37] < SMP> yeah, for those to whom WOLK is not enough thrill there is still FOLK
[14:37] < huebi> esden: The Hardway:cat /dev/random |make config *eg*
[14:37] < fake> SMP: i already feel ashamed to aplly-or-die 500 patches
[14:41] < fake> [ ] VIA - if i copy i get oops() (HACK) (NEW)
[14:41] < fake> *ROFL*
[14:41] < esden> huebi: dd bc=100 if=/dev/random of=/boot/vmlinuz ; lilo ; roboot
[14:42] < huebi> ;-0
[14:42] < fake> < >  SVR3/SVR4 (and derivates) binary emulation support
[14:42] < fake> *OUCH*
[14:48] < [anders]> hmm.. build fails between stage 1 and 2...
[14:48] < [anders]> trying to build the flist_wrapper and things from /usr/include is not there..
[14:49] < esden> [anders]: you have not co the linux-header package
[14:50] < esden> [anders]: make a cvs up -dP
[14:50] < esden> [anders]: I had the same problem some hours ago
[14:51] < [anders]> esden: can I do that against the anoncvs ?
[14:52] < esden> yes your changes will not be touched ... and if there are collisions they will be reported and you can fix them manually
[14:52] < [anders]> esden: ok, trying the update now..
[14:53] < fake> [ ]     Many (~2080) SCSI discs support (requires devfs) (NEW)
[14:53] < fake> *bwuahaha*
[14:54] < esden> fake: that is really needed ... I have also 2000 ide disks in my intel box ;-)
[14:55] < fake> esden: no, that were 2000 Hz. you always mix that up... tststs.
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[14:55] < esden> fake: oh ... yes ... sorry >_<
[14:55] < fake> ;-)
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[15:01] < SMP> fake: well 200 SCSI disks are an issue. think of a really big SGI box with 100 SCSI controllers or so
[15:02] < SMP> s,200,&0,
[15:03] < SMP> the SGI folks did run XLV / XFS over a couple of hundred disks some years ago
[15:03] < SMP> no SCSI RAID controller or anything
[15:05] < fake> phew...
[15:07] < [anders]> esden: the update seems to have removed a few things.. but nothing seems to have updated linux-header or similar..
[15:07] < [anders]> :-?
[15:07] < esden> hmm ... strange ...
[15:07] < esden> why removed ? ... it purged empty directorys ... that is ok ... I think
[15:07] < esden> .
[15:08] < [anders]> has the changes propagated through to anoncvs ?
[15:08] < esden> [anders]: does the directory base-config/linux-header exist ?
[15:09] < [anders]> esden: yes.. afaict
[15:10] < esden> ok then run ./scripts/Puzzle and rerun the build ... then all should work (I hope)
[15:10] < esden> you do not have to rebuild everything ... only run ./scripts/Build-All <option>
[15:11] < [anders]> esden: that is what I had done..
[15:11] < [anders]> and it still failed..
[15:11] < [anders]> let me diff only linux-header in my tree and against CVS..
[15:13] < [anders]> no difference between the two..
[15:14] < [anders]> although running Puzzle yet again and then restarting the build worked..
[15:15] < [anders]> this I do not understand.. I run Puzzle, I start the build, it fails, I run Puzzle again, restart the build and it works.. Can someone explain that one to me?
[15:15] < esden> hmm ... strange ... I do not understand this
[15:15] < [anders]> <aol>me too!>/aol>
[15:15] < [anders]> erk </aol>
[15:17] < esden> huebi: ???
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[15:25] < Mike1> Moin
[15:27] < [anders]> re Mike1
[15:27] < Mike1> [anders] :)
[15:29] < [anders]> Mike1: I got that ISO thank you.. I will copy the sources into my tree shortly.. I want to get base+opt building through stage 3 first though.. Things has not been working well today...
[15:30] < Mike1> [anders]: you are welcome
[15:30] < Mike1> [anders]: feel free to get my base+opt iso too :)
[15:33] < esden> Mike1: which arch was it ? intel  ?
[15:33] < Mike1> hello esden
[15:33] < esden> hi Mike1
[15:34] < esden> ;-)
[15:34] < Mike1> esden: they are just the sources downloaded so they will work fine for any arch
[15:34] < esden> hmm ... the kernel needs also a half eternity to compile an alpha ... >_<
[15:35] < Mike1> i wish i had an alpha, even if i had to wait an eternity to compile the kernel :)
[15:35] < esden> Mike1: ahh ok ... I do not think that it will work on all arches but that is an other story ;-)
[15:35] < Mike1> esden: mmm... give it try :)
[15:36] < Mike1> if it doesnt work i can iso for sparc too :)
[15:37] < esden> Mike1: yes ok ... I have to fead my other alpha with rock and put it online ... then I can run one "fast" compile and one "slow" or test the images I make ...
[15:37] < esden> Mike1: thanks I have the sources now all together ... ;-)
[15:38] < Mike1> esden: welcome :)
[15:38] < esden> I would like to have a simmilar sources mirroring system like in 1.7 also in 1.5 .. but it is only really important when you get the sources the first time
[15:39] < Mike1> thought no body gave a shit about it besides [anders] and huebi
[15:39] < Mike1> yeah
[15:39] < esden> Mike1: I think that is a good thing this iso's
[15:39] < h0h0> hmm
[15:39] < h0h0> Mike1: the grub readme says that it supports reiserfs :)
[15:40] < esden> do nat bother ... when the isos get mirrored and onnounced then there will be enough rock newbies that will get them ...
[15:40] < Mike1> h0h0: great so it
[15:40] < esden> h0h0: that is good ... have you tested it ?
[15:40] < Mike1> esden: hehe good thats what they are for
[15:40]   h0h0 rebooted uselessly!
[15:40] < Mike1> h0h0: lol
[15:41] < esden> h0h0: lol
[15:41] < Mike1> esden: i gave him the grub sources earlier today, the grub download location have been down for a few days now
[15:41] < esden> I think I will put my alphas in a cluster ... for compiling ;-)
[15:41] < Mike1> cool
[15:42] < esden> Mike1: hmm ... that is no good ...
[15:42] < Mike1> ja i know
[15:43] < Mike1> esden: will you be at 19c3?
[15:45] < esden> Mike1: sure I will
[15:46] < Mike1> is it easy to get a place to sleep over there?
[15:46] < Mike1> $$
[15:46] < esden> argh ... some network drivers have unresolved symbols on alpha ... that is stupid ... i start to ignore all the unresolved symbols orror messages from the kernel ... they become so frequent ... :-(
[15:46] < esden> Mike1: yes very easy .. you sleep beside your machine ;-)
[15:47] < Mike1> haha
[15:47] < Mike1> i can seriously take a sleeping bag and sleep there?
[15:47] < esden> Mike1: that is no joke ... most of us sleep in the hall
[15:47] < Mike1> esden: good
[15:47] < esden> Mike1: sure you can
[15:47] < Mike1> what about food?
[15:47] < Mike1> and places to take a shower and store ur bags
[15:48] < esden> Mike1: there are pizza stores and other where you can get something to eat
[15:48] < esden> no shower no bag storage ...
[15:49] < Mike1> so i dont take showers in 3 days???
[15:49] < esden> but you can also go to someone who has a hotell and get a shower there ...
[15:49] < fake> who needs showers?
[15:49] < h0h0> 19c3?
[15:49] < esden> fake: full ack ;-)
[15:49] < Mike1> fake: lol
[15:49] < esden> h0h0: yes
[15:49] < h0h0> heh, everyone I know is going to h2k2
[15:50] < esden> h0h0: 19 Chaos Computer Congress
[15:50] < Mike1> esden: is stuff cheap there?
[15:50] < h0h0> ah, ccc.
[15:50] < h0h0> where is it?
[15:50] < esden> h0h0: in berlin
[15:50] < h0h0> oh. little far for me :)
[15:51] < Mike1> i am willing to stay there for about 1 week do you think $2000 for expenses would be enought?
[15:51] < esden> Mike1: hmm ... it depands to what you want to compare
[15:51] < esden> Mike1: I can not tell ... no idea
[15:51] < Mike1> i see
[15:51] < Mike1> ok i will have to find it out
[15:52] < esden> Mike1: yes ;-)
[15:52] < Mike1> i am working hard to go
[15:52] < Mike1> i am sure we will have a lot of fun :-)
[15:52] < esden> == 15:49:16 =[3]=> Building base package binutils [2.12.90.0.11 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20].
[15:52] < esden> hmm ... natalie is advancing
[15:52] < Mike1> esden: nice
[15:53] < Mike1> go natalie !! :)
[15:53] < esden> I still wait for minicom ... I really want to know if there is still the bug I have observed yesterday
[15:54] < Mike1> what was it?
[15:55] < h0h0> can you install rock linux from nothing but a floppy and a fast net connection?
[15:55] < esden> non existant link from /usr/share/automake-1.6 to /usr/share/automake ... confused minicom ill configure scripts ... and some missing .po files in the po subdirectory of minicom made problems too ...
[15:55] < Mike1> h0h0: you can build it from a floppy disk containing the rock sources
[15:55] < Mike1> thats the beggining
[15:56] < Mike1> also you need to have a linux distro instalaed to build rock with
[15:56] < esden> h0h0: on debian it works almost without any problems ...
[15:57] < esden> h0h0: but there is also an iso to build rock ... made by blindcoder ... but I do not know if huebi released his isos already
[15:57] < Mike1> thought there is nothing like building rock with rock :)
[15:58] < Mike1> esden: really?
[15:58] < esden> Mike1: not really ... that is because nearly nobody is trying to compile rock on any other distro beside rock
[15:59] < h0h0> so if I fuck my hd over, and I dont have a rock CD, can I install rock?
[15:59] < esden> ok ... natalie is compiling gcc third time ...
[15:59] < Mike1> i tryed to do it with splack Linux
[15:59] < Mike1> it was a pain in the ass
[15:59] < Mike1> h0h0: you mean a clean hd and only the sources on the floppy?
[15:59] < esden> h0h0: no, but what distro you can?
[16:00] < h0h0> Mike1: yeah
[16:00] < esden> debian needs 6 disks or more to be installed on a clean system
[16:00] < Mike1> no you need a base system to work
[16:00] < h0h0> esden: I have slackware on here right now, but It takes up my entire harddrive
[16:01] < Mike1> https://soldc.sun.com/articles/sparcv9.pdf
[16:01] < Mike1> h0h0: whats the size of your hard drive?
[16:03] < h0h0> 10 gigs
[16:03]   [anders] has been making patches to make ROCK build system work w/o alteration when using Debian as build base..
[16:04] < Mike1> h0h0: slackware is not a good idea to work with to build rock i've found many issues with it
[16:04] < h0h0> ok, I just overwrote lilo, but im not going to reboot untill im sure I can save this machine
[16:04] < Mike1> ofcourse it was slackware 8.0 havent tryed 8.1 and i guess wont ;)
[16:05] < h0h0> Mike1: if I have an old rock cd, what can I do with it
[16:05] < [anders]> mmmmm.. in stage 2 now..
[16:05] < Mike1> h0h0: how old?
[16:05] < h0h0> Mike1: six months
[16:05] < [anders]> esden: did not get the same problem as before this time around..
[16:05] < esden> [anders]: I have made some such patches too as I had debian on my alpha
[16:06] < [anders]> esden: huebi have most of them now, I do not know when they will go in or if...
[16:06] < Mike1> h0h0: the worst thing that can happen is the it dont boot
[16:07] < [anders]> esden: I will go through the ext's as well in 1.5.17 and fix them as well..
[16:07] < h0h0> Mike1: the cd?
[16:07] < Mike1> in which case you can have a vmlinuz image that work, or you can just boot from cd, mount the rot partition and chroot on it
[16:07] < esden> [anders]: that is good
[16:07] < [anders]> but I don't have cvs access to sourceforge to I will probably feed the fixes back through huebi.. :)
[16:07] < [anders]> I am sure huebi doesn't mind.. ;-)
[16:07] < h0h0> Mike1: I know I can probably save it, but im just wondering about if grub decides do `dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/hda`
[16:08] < h0h0> and I loose my system, can I sucessfuly install rock?
[16:08] < esden> [anders]: get the access then ... only write an email to pjotr prins ... and then you get access
[16:08] < Mike1> h0h0: with ur old cd? yeah it should
[16:08] < h0h0> and then I can update that old one to the latest?
[16:08] < [anders]> esden: I might do that.. I'll see how much there is to do first..
[16:08] < esden> [anders]: when you send patches to huebi it takes pretty long till they get applied ...
[16:08] < Mike1> [anders]: yeah create ur self an account in sourceforge than mail pjort prins
[16:09] < esden> [anders]: ok ... that is the best way ... but creating a sf account is not a bad idea ... when you ask me
[16:09] < Mike1> h0h0: yeah you can update the packages
[16:09] < h0h0> ok, then I guess Ill go for it
[16:09] < Mike1> or you can just download the latest iso
[16:10] < [anders]> esden/Mike1: I'll get a sf account and then I can update ext's as and when I get chance..
[16:10] < Mike1> [anders]: yeah i think that will work just fine for you
[16:10] < Mike1> :)
[16:11] < h0h0> ok, lets see if this works now
[16:11] < h0h0> if Im not back in 5 minutes, blame grub
[16:11] < Mike1> h0h0: sure :D
[16:11] < Mike1> h0h0: we will
[16:11] < Mike1> h0h0: you backed up ur files right?
[16:11] < h0h0> oh right :)
[16:11] < esden> is rxr somewhere around /
[16:11] < esden> ?
[16:12] < h0h0> /var/www, /home/hoho, /usr/pics, and that should be good.
[16:14] < esden> pics ... yes ok ;-)
[16:14] < h0h0> no no no, pics of my family (clothed) :)
[16:14] < [anders]> h0h0: whatever you say mate.. ;-)
[16:14] < h0h0> haha
[16:15] < esden> h0h0: yes right ...
[16:15] < esden> ;-)
[16:15] < Mike1> h0h0: maybe you can lets see ur "clothed family" sometime
[16:15] < Mike1> ;)
[16:17] < snyke> m0h
[16:17] < h0h0> If I return with my system intact, I will
[16:18] < Mike1> lol
[16:18] < Mike1> hi snyke
[16:20] < h0h0> arg, why does it take so long to tar these files!
[16:20]   Mike1 getting ready to start a clean build of 1.5.17
[16:21] < Mike1> h0h0: maybe you have a big "family" and you have a lot of pics of then >_<
[16:22] < h0h0> yes that must be the reason
[16:22] < Mike1> :)
[16:22] < Mike1> [anders]: you started a new build?
[16:24] < [anders]> Mike1: it is in stage 3 now..
[16:25] < Mike1> [anders]: building ext too?
[16:25] < [anders]> I hope to have it complete successfully by tomorrow morning.
[16:25] < Mike1> [anders]: good :)
[16:25] < [anders]> Mike1: Once base+opt builds cleanly, I will build the ext part as well.. :)
[16:26] < [anders]> I have CPU to burn.. ;-D
[16:27] < [anders]> it is building gcc this moment..
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[16:29] < Mike1> re Freak
[16:29] < Freak> re mike
[16:40] < esden> hi Freak
[16:40]   Freak waves
[16:48] < h0h0> arg, my home dir is 3 gigs
[16:49] < h0h0> fuck this,
[16:50] < Freak> haha
[16:50] < Freak> mine is 7,2
[16:50] < Freak> >;)
[16:51] < Freak> 1 user ;)
[16:52] < h0h0> hmm
[16:52] < h0h0> ok, here I go
[16:53] < Mike1> cu h0h0
[16:53] < h0h0> 5 minutes, or not, blame grub
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[16:53] < esden> oh ipv6 ...
[16:54] < Mike1> esden: ?
[16:54] < rxr> hm - Konqueror-3.0.2 still crashes from time to time :-(
[16:54] < Mike1> hi rxr
[16:54] < rxr> hi Mike1
[16:55] < Mike1> rxr: crashes on 1.7 tree?
[16:57] < rxr> Mike1: the konqueror from kde-3.0.2 crashes from time to time on my dRock system ... (but on others as well) ....
[16:58] < esden> Mike1: "h0h0 [~hoho@3ffe:80ee:7c6:0:0:0:0:fe]"
[16:58] < esden>                     ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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[16:59] < rxr> h0h0: you hare on an ipv6 net ?
[16:59] < h0h0> that was the most anticlimatic thing Ive ever done
[16:59] < h0h0> rxr: yeah
[16:59] < rxr> h0h0: where ?
[16:59] < h0h0> ohio
[16:59] < h0h0> tunnel broker
[17:00] < h0h0> I was at least *somewhat* hopeing my system would get fucked and I could install rock
[17:00] < esden> re h0h0
[17:02] < h0h0> what does re stand for agin?
[17:02] < h0h0> I asked once and promptly forgot
[17:03] < esden> h0h0: for REdoing something ...
[17:04] < h0h0> re-/joining
[17:05] < Mike1> esden: strange thing huh?
[17:06] < Mike1> rxr: i dont use kde so i cant tell
[17:06] < esden> Mike1: I first have seen "re hi" when someone said "hi" and someone other responded ... or when someone was rejoining
[17:07] < esden> and it became abbrevated to a simple "re"
[17:07] < Mike1> :)
[17:10]   Mike1 loosing the fight against sleep
[17:11] < Mike1> shit it only 9am and i am falling sleep, i have to wait about 10 more hours to sleep :((
[17:11] < esden> Mike1: coffe is not helping anymore ?
[17:11] < Mike1> esden: no
[17:11] < Mike1> nothing
[17:11] < esden> Mike1: how many hours are you already awake ?
[17:11] < Mike1> i guess my body developed some kind of imunity for coffee or something
[17:11] < Mike1> i wake up 3 hours ago
[17:12] < h0h0> how long did you sleep?
[17:12] < Mike1> and slept almost 5 hours
[17:12] < Ge0rG> how about club mate?
[17:12] < h0h0> heh
[17:12] < Mike1> Ge0rG: no club mate here :(
[17:12] < Ge0rG> then its time to get some ;)
[17:12]   Mike1 looking for a beer
[17:13]   h0h0 wants beer
[17:13]   esden wants beer too
[17:13] < Mike1> *g
[17:13] < h0h0> whats the drinking age in germany
[17:14] < Mike1> 3?
[17:14] < Mike1> *g
[17:14] < h0h0> ?
[17:14] < WKaibigan> They are born with Steins in their hands in Germany ;-)
[17:14] < Mike1> WKaibigan: hehe
[17:14] < h0h0> bah.
[17:14] < h0h0> mabey I will come to 19c3
[17:15] < rxr> huebi: the browsable sourcecode seems to be rather old. 1.5.14 or so ... ???!?
[17:15] < Mike1> h0h0: cool so we shall meet there
[17:15] < rxr> huebi: the cvsweb doesn
[17:15] < rxr> 't work
[17:16] < rxr> *: Where is online browseable 1.5 code ?
[17:17] < Mike1> rxr: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/*checkout*/rock-1.5/
[17:17] < rxr> tnx Mike1
[17:17] < rxr> I now downloaded the last snap ...
[17:18] < Mike1> rxr: have fun
[17:18] < esden> h0h0: only in bavaria is it so ...
[17:18] < h0h0> is what so?
[17:18] < rxr> where is aboot in 1.5 ?
[17:18] < rxr> No aboot in 1.5?
[17:18] < esden> ahh that was WKaibigan not you h0h0
[17:19] < h0h0> ok
[17:19] < Mike1> rxr: no
[17:19] < Mike1> sorry yes
[17:19] < rxr> Mike1: why ?
[17:19] < Mike1> its in the base
[17:19] < WKaibigan> Here in Wales, we get fed beer via the umbilical cord whilst we are still in the womb :-)
[17:20] < Mike1> rxr:
[17:20] < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17]# find -name *aboot*
[17:20] < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot
[17:20] < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.conf
[17:20] < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.desc
[17:20] < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.pz
[17:20] < Mike1> ./base-config/aboot/aboot.setup
[17:20] < Mike1> ./base-archive/aboot
[17:20] < Mike1> ./base-archive/aboot/aboot-0.9.tar.bz2
[17:20] < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17]# find -name *aboot*
[17:20] < Mike1> </flood>
[17:22] < Mike1> rxr: also i sent a mail to the rock list with urls to get the package sources isos if you wish to use them
[17:22] < rxr> Mike1: no I do not need them ... - but why do you use an ISO ? single files are much more useable - and reduse traffic, because you can manually select which onces you need ...
[17:23] < Mike1> rxr: was an idea, i could easily upload my tree
[17:24] < rxr> esden: I added aboot to 1.7
[17:24] < esden> rxr: ok ...
[17:24] < Mike1> rxr: some people i know still connects through dial up, and they want to build rock but it takes forever to download everyfile
[17:25] < esden> rxr: I first have to get curl running on alpha >_<
[17:25] < rxr> into the freshly created alpha repository ;-)
[17:25] < rxr> esden: btw: we have now arround "464 active packages" on an intel build ;-)
[17:26] < esden> rxr: cool ... that is pretty good count
[17:27] < rxr> (I have added aboot so I have another repository for the list in the LInux Magazin ;-)
[17:29] < esden> rxr: looool ... you are cool ... *lough*
[17:29] < rxr> ;-)
[17:29] < esden> rxr: I wanted to add aboot some time ago ... but because curl was not running I left it ...
[17:29] < rxr> I should also write the Create-CD script so I do not have to mention that it is not yet updated ;-)
[17:33] < fake> th: the IGA1682 _is_ capable of 75Hz, and 65k colors at 1024x768
[17:33] < th> hmm
[17:33] < fake> th: i'm digging deeper now
[17:33] < th> fake: _should_ be even capable of 80Hz
[17:34] < th> fake: SMP, Ge0rG and me only get 60Hz
[17:34] < fake> th: not according to the HOT-15x Satasheet
[17:34] < th> fake: ahh ok
[17:34] < fake> th: me too. i was mistaken
[17:34] < fake> Datasheet
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[17:34] < th> fake: would be great if you achieve better frequencies
[17:35]   rxr repoiting into 2.4.19-rc1 - cu
[17:36] < fake> th: now that i saw X oat 60 Hz, Freqency is my primary goal
[17:36] < th> hehe
[17:36] < th> great
[17:36] < Ge0rG> ,oO( or getting a TFT display for the krups )
[17:37] < Ge0rG> maybe I shouldn't tell this too loud, but TFTs look great at 60Hz...
[17:37] < fake> TFTs look great if they are for free
[17:37] < [anders]> Ge0rG: they look pretty good at 85Hz as well... ;-)
[17:39] < fake> IGS Mode Nr. for 1024x768@75Hz-16bit is 0x52
[17:39] < th> fake: you could try to set it with rdev
[17:40] < th> but i think this won't work
[17:40] < esden> fake: then get one ... from a bank ... there always are standing so many of these displays ;-)
[17:40] < fake> rdev?
[17:40] < rxr> re
[17:40] < fake> esden: my way of defining "free" does not involve criminal activities.
[17:40] < Ge0rG> btw, XFree only mentions the 1682 as a known PCI device - there seems to be no driver support at all
[17:41] < rxr> [anders]: most TFT will not display 85 Hz ...
[17:41] < fake> Ge0rG: only Framebuffer
[17:41] < Ge0rG> fake: framebuffer X sucks
[17:43] < fake> Ge0rG: no X sucks even more.
[17:43] < th> ack
[17:43] < fake> i already tried to build microwindows/nano-X
[17:44] < fake> no-go
[17:45] < fake> they don't even mention sparc
[17:45] < esden> fake: who was talking here about criminal activitys ... ?
[17:45] < Mike1> rxr: any new snapshot coming over soon?
[17:46] < Mike1> 1.7 tree
[17:46] < fake> esden: not me :P
[17:46] < esden> fake: me nither :P
[17:47] < rxr> Mike1: I can not upload snaps - you can rsync my 1.7 tree ...
[17:47] < rxr> Or I could upload a 1.7 snap onto my drocklinux.dyndns.org server ...
[17:47] < Mike1> rxr:
[17:47] < rxr> yes ?
[17:48] < Mike1> no its ok gimme ur server and rsync module to get it
[17:48] < rxr> rsync://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rock
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[17:49] < fake> *aaargh*
[17:49] < fake> i'm home.
[17:49] < fake> l8er.
[17:50]   Mike1 rsyncing rxr tree
[17:50] < Mike1> cu fake
[17:50] < esden> cu fake
[17:51] < [anders]> rxr: pretty sure my Samsung TFT at home does 85Hz max refresh-rate
[17:51] < rxr> [anders]: ;-) most cheaper onces will not do such high rates ...
[17:52] < [anders]> rxr: now that I will agree with.. :)
[17:52] < rxr> ;-)
[17:53] < [anders]> pretty sure my laptop screen will do 85Hz as well.. Same screen as the new Dell Precision M50
[17:53] < Mike1> rxr: i got it thanks
[17:54] < rxr> ;-)
[17:59] < Mike1> rxr: no subdists on 1.7?
[18:02] < rxr> Mike1: Do you take your first look onto 1.7 ?
[18:03] < Mike1> rxr: i had look at it long time ago when i attempted to build on sparc64
[18:03] < rxr> Mike1: no subdists.
[18:03] < Mike1> rxr: wanna give me quick tour on 1.7?
[18:03] < Mike1> *g
[18:03] < rxr> They became the targets - which can modify the build in many more ways ...
[18:04] < rxr> Mike1: I really have no time for a full tour ...
[18:04] < rxr> Take a look into the Documentation dir
[18:04] < Mike1> rxr: ok :((
[18:04] < Mike1> i am on it right now
[18:04] < rxr> https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/files/rock-sketch.jpg
[18:04] < rxr> ^- Overview
[18:05] < rxr> https://www.rocklinux.org/people/rene/rock-talk/0.html
[18:05] < Mike1> lol nice thanks
[18:05] < rxr> ^- my slides from Linux Tag ...
[18:05] < rxr> (cut'n pasten in 50 minutes ....)
[18:12] < Mike1> rxr: have you ever thought about porting rock to other languages besides english?
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[18:13] < Mike1> re Ge0rG
[18:13] < Ge0rG> re
[18:13] < rxr> Mike1: ?
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[18:14] < Mike1> rxr: like having multilanguage install shell
[18:14] < Mike1> and of course having the documentation in other languages too
[18:14] < rxr> Yes the new install_shell will have i18n
[18:14] < Mike1> nice
[18:14] < rxr> You are free to translate it. ;-) I think the guide is available in other languages ...
[18:15] < Mike1> rxr: actually yeah i did guide in spanish about a year ago
[18:15] < Mike1> :)
[18:15] < Mike1> what about the install_shell?
[18:17] < rxr> Some lines above I sayed that the new instalL_$(whatever) will be multi lingual ;-)
[18:17] < Mike1> yeah how can i help?
[18:18] < Mike1> or someone already taking care of spanish?
[18:18] < rxr> Hm. Waiting until we have the install target finished - and finished the general cleanup - so we have the time to start the new install system ...
[18:18] < Mike1> oh .. k
[18:18] < rxr> Mike1: when the install_xyz is useable we will notice you to translate it ;-)
[18:19] < Mike1> rxr: will be an honor :)
[18:19] < rxr> ,-)
[18:19] < Mike1> by now there could be a dir under Documentation named Spanish
[18:20] < Mike1> there i could store the Documentation files in spanish
[18:20] < Mike1> but thats of course just an idea,
[18:23] < esden> argh ... I have to write a script that is removing all source tarballs that are to old ... from a rocklinux build tree ...
[18:23] < esden> or is there something like that ?
[18:23] < esden> I mean in the 1.7 tree
[18:24] < Mike1> esden: i dunno i am just starting to hang around 1.7
[18:25] < esden> Mike1: I know ;-) ... but perhups rxr can aswer this question ?
[18:25] < Mike1> :)
[18:25] < [anders]> bah.. building qt.. my box will be almost dead for an hour more now..
[18:26] < Mike1> qt takes forver :((
[18:26] < fake> re.
[18:26] < Mike1> s/forver/forever
[18:26] < Mike1> re fake
[18:26] < WKaibigan> Anybody compiled grip at all?
[18:27] < esden> re fake
[18:27] < esden> fake: could you send me the crosscompile doc ? and/or the url?
[18:28] < Mike1> WKaibigan: thats an extension i will work it tonight or tomorrow
[18:28] < esden> grip ???
[18:29] < WKaibigan> I see it is marked with an asterix in the package descriptions which means there was a problem with it. Just tried to compile it now and it can't find libhttp even though it is installed.
[18:29] < fake> esden: second
[18:29] < WKaibigan> esden:grip is a CD ripper program.
[18:30] < fake> howto-croscc-sparc.h in my home @apollo
[18:30] < Mike1> WKaibigan: 1.5.17??
[18:30] < [anders]> in any case.. going home now..
[18:30] < rxr> esden: ./scripts/Download -list-unknown | cut -d ' ' -f 3 | xargs rm -v
[18:30] < rxr> (or so)
[18:30] < [anders]> talk to ou guys later.. :)
[18:31] < Mike1> cu [anders]
[18:31] < WKaibigan> Nope. I have 1.5.16 here,
[18:32] < esden> rxr: hmm ... that is ok thanks
[18:32] < Mike1> WKaibigan: mmm... i havent build any extensions yet so will only be able to help you tomorrow i guess
[18:33] < esden> WKaibigan: ahh ok ... I use rip and I am very happy with it
[18:33]   esden uses console tools where it is possible
[18:33] < WKaibigan> What I want is a ripper that also converts to MP3 and grip was the first I saw.
[18:33] < esden> I only can not run mozilla in an xterm ;-)
[18:34] < WKaibigan> Ok cheers Mike1.
[18:34] < esden> WKaibigan: rip also converts to mp3 but also to ogg/vorbis
[18:34] < WKaibigan> Does rip use Lame?
[18:34] < esden> WKaibigan: yes
[18:35] < WKaibigan> Off to find rip then :-)
[18:35] < esden> but it can also many other encoders
[18:35] < esden> +use
[18:35] < Mike1> WKaibigan: i think there was another ano named 123mp3
[18:36] < fake> esden: saw it?
[18:36] < esden> fake: not yet ... I have to get quikly to my train
[18:36] < esden> cu l8er
[18:36] < fake> i mean wether you saw my line ;-)
[18:36] < fake> that is in my home dir
[18:40] < WKaibigan> Got rip installed but I think I am missing some modules from perl.
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[18:43] < xayk> does anyone know what source package manager should i start using(i only used rpm until now)
[18:44] < h0h0> checkinstall
[18:46] < WKaibigan> Tis Ok nice rip owner had ioluded the required perl modules. :-)
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[19:04] < huebi> re
[19:04]   huebi is awake again. 4h of sleep... ;-)
[19:06] < huebi> blindcoder: Can you give me the URL of your Build CD scripts again?
[19:08] < Mike1> welcome back master huebi
[19:12] < huebi> hi Mike1 ;-)
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[19:38] < fake> hm...
[19:38] < fake> something weird is happening
[19:39] < Mike1> fake: ?
[19:39] < fake> esden should never be disconnected
[19:40] < Mike1> fake: well there is "esden_" yet
[19:41] < huebi> fake: "Mathilda in the middle" atack?
[19:41] < fake> *LOL*
[19:42]   Mike1 rewriting rock router subdist
[19:43] < fake> but mathilda is detectable.
[19:43] < fake> she sets the "MOO" Flag
[19:44] < rxr> ene@jackson:~/rock-article > wc rock-article.txt
[19:44] < rxr>     172     899    6511 rock-article.txt
[19:45] < fake> a own directory for one file? ;-)
[19:45] < rxr> no + pictures ....
[19:46] < rxr> This should be nearly the half of the article ....
[19:46] < fake> binary txt ? *g*
[19:46] < rxr> jups pretty binary text ;-)
[19:49] < fake> .comment ;-))
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[19:52] < owl> hi
[19:52] < fake> hi owl
[19:53] < huebi> moin owl
[19:53] < owl> moin fake && huebi :)
[19:54] < Mike1> Hallo owl
[20:08] < [anders]> re
[20:09] < [anders]> it's still building Qt... *argh*
[20:10] < Mike1> re [anders]
[20:10] < huebi> [anders]: 94 mins or so...
[20:10] < [anders]> huebi: any news? :)
[20:10] < Mike1> [anders]: it took me more than 6 hours to build qt on a pIII 500MHZ
[20:10] < [anders]> huebi: that's on your box.. I only have one CPU... :)
[20:11] < [anders]> *faint*
[20:11] < huebi> [anders]: jo. I just build in your patches.
[20:11] < [anders]> Mike1: Well, I have a XP1900+ so should be a bit faster than that.. :)
[20:11] < huebi> [anders]: aszlig then the time doubles...
[20:11] < [anders]> 1.6GHz..
[20:11] < huebi> -azlig
[20:11] < [anders]> huebi: patches was okay then?
[20:12] < huebi> [anders]: yes it looks good. I'm still on that.
[20:15] < SMP> fsck ACPI
[20:15] < fake> SMP: ACK
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[20:15] < huebi> SMP: hehe. ACK
[20:15] < huebi> moin thalerim
[20:15] < [anders]> huebi: glad to hear there was nothing wrong with them.. First time I have been submitting patches back to anybody so of course anxious to get them right.. I think you know what I mean.. :)
[20:15] < [anders]> SMP: ack
[20:15] < [anders]> re SMP fake thalerim
[20:16] < thalerim> moin
[20:16] < Mike1> <wallace> to install gentoo, is harder than rock, but the documentation is very good
[20:16] < [anders]> thalerim: either you are in a far away place corner of the world, or your biological clock needs NTP help... ;-)
[20:16] < Mike1> is this true??
[20:17] < [anders]> .oO( assuming that 'moin' in fact means 'good morning' )
[20:18] < SMP> Mike1: easy <-> hard is absolutely relative ;>
[20:19] < Mike1> SMP: hehe :)
[20:19] < SMP> Mike1: I always found ROCK to be very easy to install. someone who has just completed his first Linux install with SuSE e.g. will differ
[20:19] < huebi> SMP: ACK.
[20:19] < Mike1> <wallace> it is very easy for a rocklinux user ;)
[20:19] < Mike1> <wallace> but if you compare it with suse, it is hard
[20:19] < Mike1> *g
[20:20] < SMP> heck, OpenBSD is even easier than ROCK ;->
[20:20] < [anders]> Hmm.. I moved from SuSE to ROCK...
[20:20] < [anders]> and never would I move back.. :)
[20:20] < rxr> also gentoo is really time consuming to install, because they compile all non-baes packages at this time ...
[20:20] < Mike1> hehe i moved from Slackware to ROCK
[20:21] < rxr> s/this time/install time/
[20:21] < Mike1> SMP: i guess you have to get used to it
[20:21] < [anders]> Now I have picked up Debian as a 2nd distribution to use.. It is just easier to install on a blank box if you have no media and just the boot floppies..
[20:21] < [anders]> network installs rule..
[20:21] < [anders]> rxr: isn't that how old Slackware used to work?
[20:22] < fake> [anders]: implement it ;P
[20:22] < Mike1> i was always told that rock was for insanes but once i tried it i loved it
[20:22] < Mike1> and it seens very easy :)
[20:22] < rxr> [anders]: really? dunno ...
[20:22] < Mike1> [anders]: they still have that
[20:22] < [anders]> fake: would require dedicated servers with lots of space... I might think about it if I get a spare box I can co-locate with plenty of free bandwidth..
[20:23] < thalerim> [anders]: nope. 'moin' is a salutation-word used mainly in the region around Ostfriesland... and they say it at every daytime
[20:23] < rxr> thalerim: ack
[20:24] < [anders]> == 16:49:56 =[3]=> Building base package qt [3.0.4 1.5.17-private].
[20:24] < [anders]> == 19:21:26 07/10/02 =[3]=> Finished building package qt.
[20:24] < rxr> [anders]: what CPU ?
[20:24] < Mike1> [anders]: hehe :)
[20:24] < [anders]> thalerim: aaahh.. okay.. :)
[20:24] < [anders]> rxr: Athlon XP1900+ w. 512MB RAM
[20:25] < rxr> [anders]: qt should only need less than one hour !!!
[20:25]   rxr phoning
[20:25] < thalerim> [anders]: and moin is the standard greeting every rocklinux user should use! :-)
[20:25] < huebi> rxr: your information is outdated. th changed qt to compile all libs
[20:26] < Mike1> rxr: qt took more than 6 hours for me on Intel pIII 500MHZ 256RAM
[20:26] < [anders]> thalerim: ;-)
[20:27] < thalerim> even Mike1 does use it, and Mike1 isn't a German as far as I know or is he assimilated by Mathilda already?
[20:28]   SMP getting surprisingly tired
[20:28] < Mike1> thalerim: i am Costa Rica, Mathilda and i are just close friends :)
[20:29] < thalerim> you are a isle ????
[20:29] < Mike1> thalerim: no
[20:29] < fake> www.epanorama.net rulez
[20:29] < Mike1> its a small country in central america
[20:29] < thalerim> does not interest :P
[20:29] < Mike1> thalerim: ok
[20:30] < thalerim> Mike1: for me you are just Mike1 :-)
[20:31] < thalerim> eeh and sorry for my bad geographic knowledge, indeed it's the only lacking field of knowledge
[20:32] < Mike1> thalerim: no problem in this world there are no countrys just channels :)
[20:32] < thalerim> I do not know well my city where I live... actually :-)
[20:32] < Mike1> unf here we are all like family
[20:32] < Mike1> s/unf/and
[20:32] < thalerim> like a family with a cow
[20:33] < rxr> huebi: what "all libs" ?
[20:33] < Mike1> thalerim: yes
[20:35] < huebi> rxr: here is the diff: https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/qt/qt.conf.diff?r1=text&tr1=1.10&r2=text&tr2=1.11&diff_format=h
[20:40] < rxr> huebi: could you explain in words ?
[20:40] < rxr> huebi: urgs#
[20:41] < rxr> where did you got this idea from?
[20:42] < huebi> rxr: th had the idea.
[20:42] < huebi> rxr: What do you think about it?
[20:43] < SMP> what's wrong with that? I do see packages want to use qt-mt
[20:43] < SMP> one might question the static lib though
[20:44] < huebi> and qt-mt was a link to qt-non-mt
[20:44] < WKaibigan> Mike1:Just to let you know, I have grip working now. Downloaded the latest libghttp and installed that and grip's configure script then found it and worked :-)
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[20:47] < Mike1> WKaibigan: excellent! have fun ripping :)
[20:47] < rxr> huebi: where did you got this idea from?
[20:47] < SMP> rxr: 20:42| < huebi> rxr: th had the idea.
[20:47] < rxr> SMP: thanks
[20:47] < SMP> 20:43| < SMP> what's wrong with that? I do see packages want to use qt-mt
[20:47] < SMP> 20:43| < SMP> one might question the static lib though
[20:48] < huebi> 20:42 < huebi> rxr: What do you think about it?
[20:48] < rxr> I do not like this.
[20:48] < [anders]> isapnptools and modules gone from base-config? that safe?
[20:48] < rxr> SMP: yes this is waste of time and space!
[20:48] < huebi> rxr: Why?
[20:48] < rxr> isapnptools are obsolete
[20:48] < rxr> modules are in linux now ...
[20:49] < SMP> anyone using libqt.a should be shot
[20:49] < [anders]> rxr: I would prefer it if the threaded qt lib was built and the plain qt lib was symlinked to the threaded one.. not the other way around..
[20:49] < rxr> huebi: because I do not want to waste that much CPU time and disk space for static versions never used ...
[20:49] < [anders]> SMP: tell Opera that..
[20:49] < rxr> [anders]: yes - this is the way dRock and 1.7 do it
[20:49] < rxr> KDE even NEEDS the -mt version !
[20:50] < [anders]> humma.. I would like to paste about 10 lines about a build failure..
[20:50] < [anders]> that ok with ppl here?
[20:50] < huebi> ok
[20:50] < [anders]> == 19:47:57 =[3]=> Building base package libgtop [1.0.13 1.5.17-private].
[20:50] < [anders]> Pkg-Config: patches libgtop.desc done.
[20:50] < [anders]> Building. Writing output to /var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.out
[20:50] < [anders]> > perl ./guile.pl < ../../features.def > gnc-t
[20:50] < [anders]> > mv gnc-t guile.c
[20:50] < [anders]> > guile-snarf -DHAVE_CONFIG_H -I. -I. -I../.. -D_IN_LIBGTOP -D_GNU_SOU ..
[20:50] < [anders]> > make[3]: *** [guile.x] Error 1
[20:50] < [anders]> > make[3]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13/sysdeps/g ..
[20:50] < [anders]> > make[2]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[20:50] < [anders]> > make[2]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13/sysdeps'
[20:50] < [anders]> > make[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
[20:50] < [anders]> > make[1]: Leaving directory `/rock-linux/src/libgtop-1.0.13'
[20:50] < [anders]> > make: *** [all-recursive-am] Error 2
[20:50] < [anders]> /var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.out -> 3-libgtop.err
[20:50] < [anders]> == 19:48:49 07/10/02 =[3]=> Aborted building package libgtop.
[20:50] < [anders]> </flood>
[20:51] < [anders]> So libgtop seems to have a little bit of a problem.. guile seems to have built ok however...
[20:51] < huebi> [anders]: can you upload var/adm/logs/3-libgtop.err to rocklinux.dyndns.org?
[20:51] < [anders]> huebi: want me to DCC it to you?
[20:51] < huebi> [anders]: ok
[20:52] < [anders]> huebi: sending..
[20:53] < huebi> I got it.
[20:53] < [anders]> huebi: cheers.. I don't quite get this one.. most of libgtop seems to build OK..
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[20:55] < huebi> rxr, SMP, th: So what is your opinion about qt? should there be build only qt-mt and ln -s qt-mt -> qt-non-mt? And the .a should not be build anymore?
[20:57] < SMP> I'm fine with the way it is now. cheating with the mt versions is not ok. libqt.a is rather exotic, but why not ...
[20:58] < [anders]> rxr, SMP, th, huebi: or should the settings for what gets built in qt be settable via ./scripts/Config ?
[20:58] < [anders]> a switch to build libqt.a on/off ?
[20:58] < SMP> well, we don't quite have the infrastructure for that in 1.5
[20:58] < Mike1> [anders]: good idea
[20:59] < [anders]> I think we want both qt.so and qt-mt.so..
[20:59] < [anders]> qt.a - perhaps less so..
[20:59] < rxr> [anders]: NOT in 1.5. This are too drastic changes - that are in 1.7 !!!
[20:59] < huebi> rxr: ACK
[20:59] < rxr> [anders]: ack
[21:00] < [anders]> Okay.. so we leave that to 1.7, still question stands about 1.5, what to do..
[21:00] < huebi> what about an extension for libqt.a?
[21:00] < [anders]> qt.so and qt-mt.so but not qt.a ?
[21:00] < rxr> huebi: This might be better ...
[21:00] < [anders]> huebi: good idea! :)
[21:01]   Mike1 away for lunch
[21:02] < huebi> ok. So do you all argee with qt-mt.so and qt-non-mt.so in base and qt-mt.a and qt-non-mt.a as an extension?
[21:02] < rxr> huebi: yes this would be MUCH better
[21:02] < rxr> although I think a non-mt is not needed ...
[21:03] < huebi> rxr: is allways qt-mt used in rock?
[21:03] < [anders]> huebi: ack
[21:04] < rxr> huebi: in dRock and 1.7 yes.
[21:04] < rxr> We never had a non-mt ...
[21:05] < huebi> rxr: for what could qt-non-mt be needed then?
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[21:05] < uninvited> hiya
[21:05] < huebi> moin uninvited
[21:05] < uninvited> irssi | putty | ssh
[21:05] < uninvited> ups
[21:05] < fake> hi uninvited - ps2?
[21:05] < uninvited> neun
[21:06]   fake awaiting NAK
[21:06] < fake> neun euro? nehm ich.
[21:06] < uninvited> Nein.
[21:06] < uninvited> Stop.
[21:06] < uninvited> Wie lange brauchst du die ?
[21:07] < uninvited> Ich krieg sie maximal ne Woche
[21:07] < uninvited> Länger gibt er sie net her
[21:07] < fake> uninvited: dann lass es.
[21:07] < uninvited> Okay
[21:07] < fake> ich muesste das Linux Kit reinkaufen...
[21:07] < uninvited> Ich kann mich ja weiter umhören.
[21:07] < fake> ohne ps2 bringt das dann ncht mehr viel
[21:07] < uninvited> aso
[21:07] < fake> und eine Woche duefrte etwa ein compile sein ;)
[21:07] < uninvited> hehehe
[21:07] < fake> uninvited: waer cool.
[21:08] < uninvited> anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5
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[21:08] < uninvited> 21:08 [ [anders]  ] [ esden_] [ h0h0 ] [ praenti] [ SMP     ] [ uninvited]
[21:08] < uninvited> 21:08 [ aszlig    ] [ fake  ] [ huebi] [ rolla  ] [ snyke   ] [ WKaibigan]
[21:08] < uninvited> 21:08 [ blindcoder] [ Freak ] [ Mike1] [ rxr    ] [ th      ]
[21:08] < uninvited> 21:08 [ coldie    ] [ Ge0rG ] [ owl  ] [ simon- ] [ thalerim]
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Irssi: #rocklinux: Total of 22 nicks [0 ops, 0 halfops, 0 voices, 22 normal]
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[21:09] < uninvited> 21:08 < uninvited> hiya
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:08 < huebi> moin uninvited
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> irssi | putty | ssh
[21:09] < fake> ...
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> ups
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:09 < fake> hi uninvited - ps2?
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:09 < uninvited> neun
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:09  * fake awaiting NAK
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> neun euro? nehm ich.
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Nein.
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Stop.
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Wie lange brauchst du die ?
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Ich krieg sie maximal ne Woche
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Länger gibt er sie net her
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> uninvited: dann lass es.
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < uninvited> Okay
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:10 < fake> ich muesste das Linux Kit reinkaufen...
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> Ich kann mich ja weiter umhören.
[21:09] < fake> replay in slow-motion ?
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> ohne ps2 bringt das dann ncht mehr viel
[21:09] < thalerim> RST
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> aso
[21:09] < thalerim> RST
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> und eine Woche duefrte etwa ein compile sein ;)
[21:09] < uninvited> 21:11 < uninvited> hehehe
[21:10] < uninvited> 21:11 < fake> uninvited: waer cool.
[21:10] < uninvited> anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5
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[21:10] < fake> *LOOOL*
[21:10] < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Topic for #rocklinux: anoncvs for 1.5 now up: CVS_RSH=ssh cvs -d anoncvs@anoncvs.rocklinux.de:/cvs co rock-1.5
[21:10] < uninvited> 21:08 -!- Topic set by ChanServ [Tue Jul  9 00:36:49 2002]
[21:10] < fake> *rewind*
[21:10] < uninvited> 21:08 [Users #rocklinux]
[21:10] < uninvited> 21:08 [ [anders]  ] [ esden_] [ h0h0 ] [ praenti] [ SMP     ] [ uninvited]
[21:10] < Ge0rG> how about /part or /ban?
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[21:10] < uninvited> 21:08 [ blindcoder] [ Freak ] [ Mike1] [ rxr    ] [ th      ]
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[21:10] < fake> Ge0rG: O/0
[21:10] < h0h0> la de da
[21:11] < Ge0rG> fake: division by zero error ;)
[21:12] < [anders]> err, uninvited trying to boost IRC stats? :-D
[21:13] < fake> Why I Do Not Use IRSSI, Chapter One.
[21:14] < rxr> huebi: is your 1.5 site mirrored on the rocklinux.de server ?
[21:21] < [anders]> fake: irssi isn't bad.. same things can happen with ircii or bitchx
[21:21] < fake> [anders] yeah yeah. that's what irssi users say ;)
[21:23] < [anders]> fake: *grin*
[21:23] < [anders]> you know I use irssi.. :)
[21:23] < [anders]> huebi: when was libgtop updated last?
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[21:29] < rxr> esden_: are you here ?
[21:31] < [anders]> kerfuffel..
[21:32] < [anders]> /me is not going to work more on the rock build tonight. I will carry on working on it in the morning and in the meantime I will go to bed and watch TV. there is a Bond film on tonight.. :)
[21:32] < rxr> [anders]: ;-) Have fun.#
[21:36] < Mike1> huebi: so what are you guys going to do with qt-non-mt?
[21:37] < [anders]> rxr: ta.. :)
[21:37] < thalerim> [anders]: kerfuffel sounds interesting... can you eat that ??
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[21:37] < [anders]> thalerim: it is a non-word.. sounds good when frustrated though.. :-D
[21:37] < [anders]> re netcrow
[21:38] < Mike1> hi netcrow
[21:38] < [anders]> have a nice evening all, I will be back in the morning.. And that is not a threat, it is a promise. (Unless I for some reason end up in hospital or worse..)
[21:38] < thalerim> [anders]: i see, I suppose it's the word used when a emacs' user comprehend that emacs sucks
[21:38] < thalerim> :-P
[21:39] < Mike1> [anders]: n8 :)
[21:39] < thalerim> gn8 [anders]
[21:39] < thalerim> kerfuffel.. mhmm
[21:40] < [anders]> thalerim: oh' behave...
[21:40] < [anders]> night night.. :)
[21:40] < rxr> cu [anders]
[21:41] < thalerim> And now ... PAAAARTY ... the emacs Evil isn't here till tomorrow..
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[21:48] < rxr> arghhhhh - what is my sucking provider doing today ???????????_
[21:52] < Mike1> rxr: sucking i guess :)
[21:52] < rxr> jups - sucking all the cables lying arround I guess. Stupid people ....
[21:52] < thalerim> hehe, wait a moment
[21:52] < rxr> thalerim: ?
[21:53] < Mike1> rxr: you would love to deal a costarrican ISP named racsa
[21:53] < thalerim> you probably mean something ala https://windinux.de/grafix/kabel.jpg
[21:54] < Mike1> If one of their nodes go down (which very often) you call for asistance and tehy tell you that person in charge of that is on vacation and can be reached after 3 weeks
[21:54] < rxr> pfrrrr ;-) *lol*
[21:54]   rxr kringelt sich auf dem Boden ;-)
[21:55] < thalerim> *gg* take a look at the acutal site
[21:55] < thalerim> actual
[21:57] < rxr> Hehe:
[21:57] < rxr> https://windinux.de/grafix/poppen.jpg
[21:57] < rxr> I saw this a few days ago in our University's Informatic studens relax room ;-)
[21:57] < thalerim> typically rxr... i thought you have a girl friend now ??
[21:57] < Mike1> thalerim: i think i like https://www.fuckmicrosoft.com better than an anti linux site :)
[21:57] < rxr> -- typos
[21:58] < rxr> thalerim: yes I have - but she is holidaying
[21:58] < thalerim> Mike1: you can't German, that's the miss ... It's a fake site .. run a sed -e 's,Windows,Linux' -e 's,Linux,Windows'
[21:58] < thalerim> and everything is fine :)
[21:59] < Mike1> thalerim: lol
[22:04] < thalerim> Mike1: at the latest on "10 reasons for Windows" your eyes must be puffed up
[22:05] < Mike1> lol
[22:06] < rxr> lol
[22:09] < esden_> hi all
[22:11] < thalerim> moin esden_
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[22:11] < esden> ok now much better ;-)
[22:11] < rxr> ;-) hi esden
[22:11] < esden> hi rxr
[22:11] < rxr> esden: eine sekunde zeit ?
[22:12] < esden> rxr: ja sicher ... fuer dich immer ;-)
[22:13] < chrisime> hallo esden
[22:13] < chrisime> esden: hehe, die letzten 3 tage assembler total! und jetzt bin ich der ueberchecker ;-))
[22:14] < esden> ich bin mommentan auch die ganze zeit am assembler coden ... fuer dei MI versteht sich @ chrisime
[22:15]   esden is a VAX assembler junkey
[22:16] < chrisime> lol
[22:16] < chrisime> esden: www.gnome.de/tgi/calc-chr.asm
[22:16] < chrisime> ich brauch grad mal 2 register in der ersten schleife
[22:16] < chrisime> die 2. schreib ich jetzt um
[22:17] < chrisime> ich muss mit floating points rummachen
[22:17] < chrisime> und da die x86 so ne tolle cpu is, suckt das gewaltig
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[22:23] < bluefire> hello
[22:24] < rxr> chrisime: hehe FP mit x86 ist wirklich zum Kotzen ;-)
[22:25] < chrisime> jo
[22:25] < chrisime> rxr: das sind helden
[22:25] < chrisime> 8 mikrige register
[22:25] < esden> chrisime: ich weiss ... dass es sucked
[22:25] < chrisime> die noch dazu als stack organisiert sind
[22:25] < chrisime> das sind penner
[22:25] < esden> vax ist viel besser ...
[22:26] < chrisime> ja
[22:26] < chrisime> aber auch cisc
[22:26] < chrisime> dafuer isses ne schoene dreiregistermaschine
[22:26] < esden> ich muss mir endlich den assembler von alpha anschauen
[22:26] < esden> chrisime: mi hat 15 ...
[22:26] < chrisime> ja
[22:26] < chrisime> esden: ich weiss
[22:26] < chrisime> esden: ich hatte schon info3
[22:26] < esden> chrisime: gut ;-)
[22:26] < chrisime> :P
[22:26] < chrisime> 3 * 15
[22:26] < esden> chrisime: :P angeber
[22:26] < chrisime> oder 4 sogar
[22:27] < chrisime> wenn du vier cpus hast
[22:27] < chrisime> wobei es insg. 16 sind
[22:27] < esden> chrisime: ich darf bis jetzt nur mit einem processor rumspielen
[22:27] < chrisime> aber 2 sind quasi reserviert
[22:27] < chrisime> esden: ich hab den richtigen vax asm gesehen
[22:27] < chrisime> da is der vom simu ne wohltat
[22:31] < esden> ja ... ich glaube es ...
[22:31] < esden> ich finde die adressierung so dermassen krank ...
[22:31] < esden> dass ist null intuitiv
[22:32] < chrisime> naja
[22:33] < chrisime> move !!R2/R1/, !(4+!R3)
[22:33] < chrisime> das doch schoen
[22:33] < chrisime> *renn*
[22:33] < esden> chrisime: ich erschlage dich *nachlauf*
[22:33] < chrisime> lol
[22:33] < chrisime> sowas kannst in x86 nicht machen
[22:33] < chrisime> da  musst ewig drumrumbauen
[22:34] < chrisime> ich konnte z.b. net schreiben mov ecx,eax+4
[22:34] < chrisime> das is mist
[22:34] < chrisime> der x86 kann nix
[22:34] < esden> chrisime: ja .. ist schon klar ... also unter dem gesichtspunkt ist der vax processor geil
[22:35] < esden> aber ich bin sicher da gibt es bestimmt viel bessere ;-)
[22:36] < chrisime> jo
[22:36]   chrisime will au nen alpha
[22:36] < chrisime> esden: btw, die misten die indy's bei uns an der uni aus
[22:36] < chrisime> schnapp dir einen!
[22:36] < chrisime> ich mach das
[22:36] < chrisime> die ham volle ausbaustufe
[22:37] < esden> ja ich will eine ... wann wo !!!
[22:37] < chrisime> weiss net
[22:37] < chrisime> rbg fragen
[22:37] < esden> ich habe es schon gehoert dass die die ausmisten aber wann
[22:37] < esden> rbg /
[22:37] < esden> ?
[22:37] < chrisime> habs bei der besprechung fuer die unixeinfuehrung gehoert
[22:37] < bluefire> rbg ?
[22:37] < chrisime> rechnerbetriebsgruppe
[22:37]   bluefire Kennt RBG nur aus Darmstadt
[22:38] < esden> chrisime: stimmt ...
[22:38] < chrisime> esden: rbg.in.tum.de
[22:39] < esden> chrisime: kk danke ...
[22:39] < chrisime> erm noe
[22:39] < chrisime> adr stimmt net
[22:39] < esden> schade ...
[22:39] < esden> dass muss im s02 oder so sein
[22:39] < esden> oder ?
[22:40] < chrisime> wwwrbg.in.tum.de
[22:41] < esden> hehe ... wenn dass klappt habe ich 4 architekturen daheim ... nee 5
[22:41] < chrisime> https://wwwrbg.in.tum.de/Garching/Gebaeudeuebergabe-1.2.2002/ <--neu
[22:41] < esden> mir faehlt nur noch powerpc dann noch ...
[22:42] < esden> dann habe ich alle grossen architekturen da ;-)
[22:42] < chrisime> https://wwwrbg.in.tum.de/Garching/Gebaeudeuebergabe-1.2.2002/img/DSCF2235.640x480.jpeg
[22:42] < chrisime> hoersaal
[22:43] < chrisime> https://wwwrbg.informatik.tu-muenchen.de/rbg/wartung/eigenbau.html <-- lol!!!
[22:45] < esden> toll
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[22:46] < esden> chrisime: Name:        Arne Hentsch
[22:46] < esden> Aufgaben:  Auslieferung, Aufru"stung und Wartung von Workstations
[22:46] < esden>                   aller Hersteller einschlie?lich Macintosh.
[22:46] < rxr> rene@jackson:~/rock-article > wc rock-article.txt
[22:46] < rxr>     240    1359    9834 rock-article.txt
[22:46] < rxr> Cool - printed to paper this are allready nearly 4 pages ;-)
[22:47] < chrisime> esden: aja
[22:47] < chrisime> esden: das koennte die richtige adresse sein
[22:47] < chrisime> fragst mal an?
[22:47] < esden> ja werde ich machen ... indem ich morgen bei der tussi oder tuepen wasauchimmer dass ist vorbeigehe oder so
[22:48] < esden> naja ... dass wird wohl nicht gehen ... aber ich schaue morgen
[22:48] < esden> ich mag es nicht mit den leuten per e-mail zu komunizieren man weiss nie wann die antworten ...
[22:49] < chrisime> ok
[22:49] < chrisime> das fein
[22:49] < chrisime> frag au wieviel die fuer die kisten wollen
[22:49] < thalerim> rxr: what purpose?
[22:49] < chrisime> ich will den 21 zoller au no
[22:49] < rxr> thalerim: Articel for the german Linux Magazin
[22:49] < rxr> s/articel/article/
[22:50] < Mike1> rxr: so its in german :((
[22:50] < rxr> Mike1: yes
[22:50]   Mike1 was hoping to read it
[22:50] < Mike1> But i also want to undertand it
[22:50] < thalerim> rxr: Darf ich es probelesen ?
[22:50] < rxr> But they might translate it for the English issue of the magazin - or maybe I can translate it for them ...
[22:50] < Mike1> so guess thats not possible
[22:51] < WKaibigan> Is the English version of Linux Magazine just a translated version of the German one?
[22:51] < esden> ich will den monitor nicht haben ... ich will nur dass monitorkabel ...
[22:51] < thalerim> rxr: meine grammatikalischen Fähigkeiten sind nicht schlecht
[22:51] < rxr> thalerim: hm - ich weis nicht wie gut es ist, wenn es zu viele (vor dem Druck) bekommen. - Aber ein Freund hier, esden und du sollten ok sein ;-)
[22:51] < esden> den monitor werde ich eh verkaufen oder so ... ich habe hier auch einen sgi monitor stenen ...
[22:52] < thalerim> WKaibigan: nope. only Brave GNU World is contained in all "Linux Magazine" of the world
[22:52] < rxr> WKaibigan: I do not know - when I translate it, it would be a 1:1 translation (maybe with some more jokes between the lines - which are not that common in German texts)
[22:52] < WKaibigan> In that case I hope they do print a translated version of your article in the English version.
[22:52] < thalerim> do not think so
[22:53] < rxr> thalerim: there are also other articles that get translated between the various magazines ...
[22:53] < thalerim> it's quite unusual
[22:53] < esden> aber warte mal ... ich kann dann endlich meine festfrequenzmonitore rausschmeissen ...
[22:53] < esden> dass ist gut
[22:53] < chrisime> ich hab nen 15er hier
[22:53] < thalerim> rxr: yes, special ones ... e.g. interviews are translated often
[22:53] < chrisime> ich brauch mal was groesseres *g*
[22:53] < snyke> hi esden btw
[22:53] < rxr> WKaibigan: I can explicitely asked whether they like to get a translation from me ;-)
[22:54] < WKaibigan> rxr:Good idea. Will you get paid twice if they print it in the English version? :-)
[22:54] < esden> chrisime: ja .. glaube ich auch ... ;-)
[22:54] < thalerim> WKaibigan: you might know a native english speaker with german experience for help
[22:54] < rxr> WKaibigan: maybe (I hope so ;-)
[22:55] < thalerim> rxr: when will the article be finished likely?
[22:55] < WKaibigan> I know that a lot of the articles in the English mag are written by German authors so there is hope.
[22:55] < rxr> I hope within the next days
[22:55] < thalerim> ok
[22:56]   thalerim sets mode +nerve +rxr +every +day
[22:56] < thalerim> prick even :P
[22:56] < rxr> thalerim: I hope to finish it in some hours - and then reread / correct all ;-)
[22:57] < thalerim> that's the hell... i know that .. rereading an article written by me
[22:57] < esden> the german open source comunity seems to be very strong ...
[22:57] < thalerim> ?
[22:58] < rxr> thalerim: what articles have you written so far ?
[22:58] < thalerim> rxr: not for linux magazin, was a general issue for longer texts
[22:58] < thalerim> Actually i lost the like of the LM ...
[22:58] < Mike1> i have class today so take care of you guys
[22:58] < rxr> thalerim: jups - I found it rather difficult to find a start and to sort the several ideas I had ...
[22:59] < Mike1> bye all
[22:59] < thalerim> have fun
[22:59] < rxr> bye Mike1
[22:59] < WKaibigan> Bye Mike1
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[23:00] < thalerim> rxr: I can only speak for the german magazine... but for my favour it's going to business-crap too much
[23:00] < chrisime> esden: gibts rocklilnux fuer sgi?
[23:01] < esden> chrisime: ehhm ... the stage 1 compiles ... on mips
[23:01] < esden> how the second stage looks like I have no idea
[23:01] < thalerim> that's why I ceased to waste my money ... I read only one or two article a issue.. and 5euro for these 2articles is waste
[23:01] < esden> but work is in progress ...
[23:02] < chrisime> good
[23:02] < rxr> thalerim: the Linux Mag is payed by my "Mitbewohner" ... so I do not care that much (except for the ROCK PR thing ...)
[23:02] < rxr> I pay the c't and the "C/C++ User Journal" ... and here teh LM and iX ...
[23:02] < thalerim> c't is a speudo-proffessional magazin
[23:02] < rxr> thalerim:  the C/C++ UJ nosts 10 EUR ...
[23:02] < thalerim> -f
[23:03] < thalerim> rxr: From where do you get it ?
[23:03] < rxr> thalerim: yes - but the only general hardware info magazin you can read ... - and is nice to get some hardware details on a regular basis.
[23:03] < thalerim> actually do not care much about hardware..
[23:04] < thalerim> so
[23:04] < rxr> thalerim: in the past I bought it an the railway station in Hannover. But since I have not found it here in Berlin I have a subscription which is slighly less expensive ...
[23:05] < esden> rxr: the hardware they describe there is boooring ... I need a magazine that describes sun, sgi, hp architectures ... and other cool stuff ;-)
[23:05] < thalerim> rxr: schätz mal bitte, wieviel C++ Anteil hat ?
[23:05] < rxr> esden: ;-) *lol* But anyway it is the only general computer magazin you can buy ...
[23:06] < rxr> thalerim: most is C++ - C is only explained not that often
[23:06] < rxr> but is is relly small
[23:06] < thalerim> c't is the Computer Bild for wannabes
[23:06] < thalerim> imo!
[23:06] < thalerim> rxr: oh, so it's nothing for me
[23:06] < rxr> thalerim: it has arround 70 pages for 10 EUR ....
[23:07] < rxr> thalerim: no c't is not Coputer Bild! Read the Chip or PC Professional - they are crap! But the c't people know to some degree about the stuff they write ...
[23:08] < esden> rxr: that is right .. but the same info you also get online some weeks before it is printed by ct
[23:08] < thalerim> ROCKlinux should publish Phrack as a printed magazin in Germany ... that'd be cool promotion ;)
[23:08] < rxr> esden: ?
[23:08] < rxr> thalerim: what?
[23:08] < thalerim> what ??
[23:08] < rxr> thalerim: "Phrack as a printed magazin in Germany" what do you mean ?
[23:09] < esden> rxr: but only to some degree ... they make mistakes too ... and i sometimes think they only write to write something ...
[23:09] < thalerim> Phrack is an eZine so far, what about printing it and selling in Germany
[23:09] < thalerim> but I was ... just kidding
[23:10] < esden> thalerim: url ?
[23:10] < rxr> esden: the c't was better in the past ... - I think they could write more about non-Window~1 stuff
[23:10] < thalerim> esden: url to what?
[23:10] < esden> rxr: I know they were better ... I was buying c't on a regular basis
[23:11] < esden> thalerim: "Phrack is an eZine" <-- to this ;-)
[23:11] < thalerim> how do you call it ?
[23:11]   Ge0rG is still reading c't - they have at least one interesting article in every issue
[23:12] < thalerim> Ge0rG: money wastment
[23:12] < thalerim> how much money does c't cost at the momten?
[23:12] < thalerim> moment
[23:12] < Ge0rG> thalerim: they were better long time ago. but theres no alternative anyway.
[23:12] < Ge0rG> 3¤
[23:13] < rxr> Ge0rG: what article? "Prozessor Gefuester" ? ;-)
[23:13] < thalerim> heh, for that money you can get a bitch incl. a condom !
[23:13] < Ge0rG> thalerim: mhm... not here
[23:14] < esden> there is also a very interesting scientific section in every c't ... I like it very much
[23:14] < thalerim> anyway...
[23:14] < thalerim> am going to read and sleep then, see you tomorrow
[23:14] < esden> thalerim: it would be a very cheep bitch ... and a used condom ...
[23:15] < thalerim> esden: would be better than the c't anyway :P
[23:15] < Ge0rG> an inflatable bitch
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[23:16] < esden> /var/adm/logs/3-lprng.out -> 3-lprng.err
[23:16] < esden> i hate it ... >_<
[23:16] < esden> ok ... that is the first packet that fiails on alpha .. for now ..
[23:17] < huebi> My experience is that if you get closer with your knowledge to the stuff a magazin writes about, you switch from "Oh interesting, I learned something. Fsck that I did not know it before." to "Yes, from one point of view it's right, but this point is the exception of what normaly occurs." So magazins are efectivly only for masochists. *g*
[23:17] < esden> huebi: well said
[23:18]   Ge0rG thought about dropping c't and getting iX, but they are way too technical and boring
[23:18] < rxr> wc rock-article.txt
[23:18] < rxr>     264    1512   10955 rock-article.txt
[23:19] < huebi> rxr: May I have a look on it?
[23:19] < esden> ok .. I let the compile running till tomorrow .. then I will see how much fails ... and try to fix it as good as I can
[23:19] < rxr> so this should be most of the stuff I wanted to write ...
[23:19] < rxr> now I print it - and read over it
[23:20] < rxr> huebi: esden and thalerim have already asked ... - I'm not sure if it is that good if too many people get it ... - since I'm paid for the article ...
[23:21] < rxr> you will really be the last person I'll put on the pre-readers list now ;-)
[23:21] < rxr> (If you all promisse not to send it arround ;-)
[23:22] < huebi> rxr: I promise that. Earn your money. I don't stay in your way ;-)
[23:23] < esden> rxr: I promise too ...
[23:23] < rxr> huebi: ;-)
[23:23] < esden> == 23:14:26 =[3]=> Building base package xfree86 [4.2.0 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20].
[23:23] < esden> hmm ... that will take long ... ;-)
[23:24] < esden> ok cheers you guys ... have a nice sleep if you are going to bed at all
[23:24] < esden> n8
[23:25] < huebi> esden: n8
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[23:45] < tsa> hi
[23:46] < owl> hi tsa
[23:46] < huebi> moin tsa
[23:47] < tsa> hi owl
[23:47] < tsa> hi huebi
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