-!- Irrsi  Log opened Tue Jul 16 00:00:04 2002
[00:03] < owl> r8 rxr
[00:05]   esden is asking himself what is the strange film that is currently running on mdr ...
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[00:06] < freed> hi all
[00:06] < zUnE> good evening
[00:07] < freed> in germanz it is 0.08 am
[00:07] < thalerim> moin freed, zUnE
[00:07] < freed> good morning is better :)
[00:07] < zUnE> in sweden it is 00:13
[00:07] < zUnE> ;)
[00:07] < freed> axo
[00:07] < owl> hi
[00:08] < thalerim> esden: what amazing is on mdr currently?
[00:08] < Mike1> zUnE: its 16:15 in Costa Rica
[00:09] < zUnE> nice, and sunny too i bet
[00:09] < Mike1> yup sunny with a very nice soft wind
[00:09] < Mike1> :D
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[00:09] < zUnE> even nicer
[00:09] < kvak|uninvited> Guten Morgen. Good morning !
[00:10]   Mike1 grabs a beer
[00:10] < zUnE> here its a bit dark now..
[00:10] < Mike1> kvak|uninvited: Buenos dias
[00:10] < zUnE> but i'll bite a beer too anyway
[00:10] < zUnE> i sleep better then..
[00:10] < Mike1> zUnE: hehe
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[00:14] < Mike1> ok my friends i got class see you later
[00:14]   Mike1 away at Uni
[00:14] < zUnE> bubye
[00:14] < freed> cu
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[01:03] < owl> gn8
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[01:18] < esden> Mathilda beim coden!
[01:20] < esden>
[01:20] < esden> n8 @ *
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[06:26] < huebi> moin
[07:19] < huebi> first build on alpha (miata) is started
[07:40] < [anders]> moin
[07:41]   [anders] is a happy chappy and dancing on the table right about now...
[07:43] < [anders]> the build completed for i686 and I have both source and executable ISO available right now.. :) I will tar up the rock-src directory in a bit and upload it somewhere where it can be accessed.. :)
[08:05] < [anders]> Ok, I have tested the 'extended' tar-bzip2.patch now and I am happy it is working.. I will include it in the patch package.
[08:06] < [anders]> now, I have to go to work, so I will be back later (an hour or so) to package up the patches..
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[08:11] < rxr> moin
[08:57] < [anders]> moin rxr
[09:31] < esden> hi all
[09:42] < [anders]> moin esden
[09:42] < [anders]> wie gehts?
[09:44]   [anders] is getting close to being able to create the source archive and upload that for huebi to take a look at and also to submit a few patches... ;-)
[09:45] < [anders]> And now I can also turn my attention to the Ext's and try and make them work as well.. Would be nice to have a working base+opt+ext install ready for wehn I can update my laptop....
[09:46]   [anders] drop a pin and hear the rumble when the pin hits the floor.... Looking around only reveals mute statues... You are in a room where all exits look alike..
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[09:50] < tsa> moin.
[09:54] < [anders]> moin tsa
[09:54] < tsa> hi [anders]
[09:54] < [anders]> finally a little activity.. I though the # had been abandoned due to nuclear fallout or something.. ;-)
[09:54] < tsa> hehe
[09:58]   [anders] dances a merry jigg on the table to celebrate the 1.5.17 base+opt build completing successfully...
[09:59] < [anders]> got to feed the patches back to huebi now..
[09:59] < tsa> oh...cool.
[09:59] < [anders]> ah, and I mauled the tar-bzip2.patch as well.. Now tar will do bzip2/bunzip2 with either -j, -y or -I...
[10:00] < [anders]> Tried and tested, it works.. :)
[10:02] < [anders]> wtf?!?
[10:03] < [anders]> Creating tars/ia32-linux-src.tar.bz2 ... 47M
[10:03] < [anders]> 47M ?????
[10:03] < tsa> huh?
[10:03] < tsa> what's this?
[10:03] < tsa> kernel sources are less than 47mb ..
[10:03] < [anders]> my point exactly...
[10:04] < [anders]> tbz2 kernel sources are about 22M iirc.. so where the hell is tghe other 25M coming from?
[10:05] < tsa> perhaps this package is tar'd after a kernel has been compiled, so it's also including all the .o files etc..
[10:05] < [anders]> Hmm.. unless.... if this is the kernel source tree after kernel has been built, then there will be loads or .o's..
[10:05] < [anders]> great minds think alike eh? :)
[10:05] < tsa> hehe ;-)
[10:06] < [anders]> I wonder if the build scripts should have an exception when doing the linux-src and do a make clean in the tree before doing the tar -c
[10:06] < tsa> linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2 is 23mb
[10:06] < [anders]> mmm... still 24MB hiding in that tar archive... I'll to a listing on that archive and see what is in it..
[10:06] < tsa> already "used" kernel tree has 165mb on my home machine.
[10:06] < tsa> hm..
[10:08] < [anders]> humma.. it appears that this install package contains the /usr/src directory structure for rock, including the linux-2.4.18.tar.bz2 file.. (hence the extra 24MB)
[10:08] < tsa> ah..
[10:09] < [anders]> that sort of explains things a bit...
[10:12] < tsa> uhm...yes.
[10:13] < tsa> so this package contains a kernel source tree and a packed kernel source tree.
[10:13] < [anders]> yep..
[10:13] < tsa> we might consider changing that.
[10:14] < [anders]> Yes, I did think about that.. perhaps create a stand-alone 'linux-vanilla-kernel' package with only the pristine kernel sources..
[10:14]   tsa thinking about freebsd package system, .tgz containing 2-3 special files telling the system how to install this package
[10:14] < [anders]> ports.. OpenBSD... Nice way of doing things..
[10:15] < tsa> yes..
[10:15] < [anders]> We should probably try and incorporate the Ports system.. rock-package has been quite quiet lately so I guess people do not have time to work on it at the moment..
[10:15] < esden> [anders]: i am ok thanks and you ?
[10:16] < [anders]> aaaaaaahhh!! it's alive!!
[10:16] < [anders]> ;-)
[10:16] < esden> yes a bit alive ;-)
[10:16] < [anders]> esden: I am very well thank you.. I am at work awaiting a fix from a developer so I can build a new build of the project I work on.. :)
[10:17] < esden> [anders]: what project are you working on ?
[10:17] < esden> or you mean the rocklinux tree you have ?
[10:17] < [anders]> esden: a storage virtualisation project..
[10:17] < esden> ahh ok
[10:17] < esden> virtualisation ... you mean raid ?? ;-)
[10:18] < [anders]> got a few patches to pass on to huebi now.. will get everything in order and then upload them..
[10:18] < [anders]> esden: no, I mean virtualisation..
[10:19] < esden> can you explain it more precisly ?
[10:19] < esden> (i hope it is spelled so)
[10:21] < [anders]> well, the product sits between your backend storage (usually RAID5 arrays) and your servers and the product makes it easier managing the terabytes of storage by pretending to be disks to the servers and pretending to be the hosts to the backend disks..
[10:21] < [anders]> I can not explain it in to much detail due to restrictions in what we can say..
[10:23] < esden> ahh ok ... now i understand (i think)
[10:23] < esden> it is a unix solution or platform independant ?
[10:24]   esden releasing bchat ... probably for the last time ;-)
[10:26] < [anders]> esden: it is a software product, for storage area networks..
[10:26] < [anders]> esden: I am getting close to where I am not allowed to say anything more.. Once they actually announce the product, I can tell you more, but until then, I needs to be careful..
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[10:30] < esden> [anders]: sure ... tellme more when you are allowed to for now i do not ask anymore ;-)
[10:30] < tsa> we want an evaluation version ;-)
[10:32] < [anders]> tsa: uhm.. this product costs more in a minimum configuration than I make in about 4 years...
[10:32] < tsa> did i say i wanted to pay for it? ;-)
[10:33] < tsa> <- sponsoring always welcome ;-)
[10:33] < [anders]> nope, but I don't think big blue is willing to give it away... :) you need the hardware that comes with the software to run the blasted thing...
[10:33] < tsa> hm..
[10:34] < [anders]> esden: I will do.. once I know it is safe to give more details away, I will do.. :)
[10:35] < esden> [anders]: your firm can also sponsor the hardware and the fixed line ... then we have a really good rocklunux mirror ... I will find the place to put it in in my room for sure ;-)
[10:35] < esden> big blue can sponsor us
[10:35] < esden> that would be ok ;-0
[10:37] < [anders]> hehehehe... I am sure you would like to get your hands on this stuff and have a good poke around in it.. :)
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[10:37] < esden> [anders]: sure ... I will get it running under rock ... I promise ;-)
[10:38] < esden> *poke* *poke*
[10:39] < [anders]> esden: there are several problems with Linux (in general) as host .. I think I spoke to you before about the SCSI layer in Linux and that it needs updating, badly..
[10:39] < [anders]> moin clifford_away
[10:40] < esden> [anders]: yes I know ... then I will rewrite it ... when I get the hardware ;-)
[10:40] < esden> [anders]: that is only the ghost of clifford ... ;-)
[10:41] < huebi> moin alltogether
[10:42] < esden> moin huebi
[10:42] < [anders]> moin huebi
[10:42] < esden> huebi: have you seen mathilda at work drowing I sent earlier ? ;-)
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[10:42] < huebi> esden: Yes, I saw her "Mathilda the coding gog"
[10:43] < tsa> hehe
[10:43] < tsa> hi huebi
[10:43] < tsa> hi bluefire
[10:43] < huebi> s/gog/god/
[10:43] < huebi> moin tsa
[10:43] < esden> huebi: good ;-)
[10:43] < huebi> moin bluefire
[10:43] < huebi> moin esden
[10:44] < esden> huebi: we should create a mathilda gallery ...
[10:44] < esden> hi tsa
[10:45] < huebi> esden: or even better, patch cowsay ;-)
[10:45] < tsa> huhu esden
[10:45] < esden> huebi: patch in which way ?
[10:46] < bluefire> Moin huebi
[10:46] < esden> hi bluefire
[10:46] < bluefire> moin allesamt
[10:47] < bluefire> Server seems to be running fine again after replacing cpu/mobo
[10:47]   bluefire suspicious
[10:50] < huebi> the chksum of minicom switched back to 370627223. I think too many people complained about it.
[10:51] < huebi> hmm, I think I'm wrong.
[10:54] < huebi> I am wrong. Forget what I said.
[10:55] < huebi> esden: Is that normal:
[10:56] < huebi> == 07:31:32 =[1]=> Building base package glibc [2.2.5 1.5.17].
[10:56] < huebi> == 10:08:09 07/16/02 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
[10:56] < huebi> on alpha?
[11:01] < esden> huebi: let me see
[11:02] < esden> <news>you will not see such a video in the tv (police is ill): https://www.carfashion.nu/lotus/lotus.rm</news>
[11:03] < esden> huebi:
[11:03] < esden> == 21:08:08 =[1]=> Building base package glibc [2.2.5 1.5.17_2002-07-08_09h20].
[11:03] < esden> == 23:05:25 07/09/02 =[1]=> Finished building package glibc.
[11:03] < esden> that is a build on natalie
[11:04] < tsa> esden: you're building glibc on women? can't you imagine something more appropriate? ;-)
[11:05] < esden> tsa: this is a all purpose woman, I can do many chings on her: I can login, mount, fsck, chat
[11:05] < esden> and many other things ;-)
[11:05] < huebi> esden: I took 23 mins longer on gamma. That's ok. I think it still was downloading an testing the sources. That needs time, too.
[11:05] < esden> huebi: sure
[11:06] < esden> what mhz do you have in on gamma
[11:06] < esden> ?
[11:06] < huebi> root@gamma:/mnt/disk/rock-linux# cat /proc/cpuinfo
[11:06] < huebi> cpu                     : Alpha
[11:06] < huebi> cpu model               : EV56
[11:06] < huebi> system type             : Miata
[11:06] < huebi> cycle frequency [Hz]    : 433080875 est.
[11:07] < huebi> platform string         : Digital Personal WorkStation 433au
[11:07] < huebi> and 256MB of RAM
[11:08] < [anders]> huebi: I have just uploaded the set of patches.. let me know if there is a problem with them...
[11:08] < huebi> [anders]: ok. Thank you.
[11:09] < esden> huebi: that is exactly what I have ...
[11:10] < esden> huebi: how much have you payed to get it or get it running ?
[11:10] < [anders]> huebi: I'll upload the rock-src as well if yuo want me to..
[11:10] < esden> i only have 128mb more ram
[11:11] < [anders]> coffee time... got to get some biscuits first though.. :)
[11:11] < huebi> The Konsole of KDE is really kool. Now many Konsoles in one window are possible and a "Send Input to All Sessions" mode is avaliable. Very good for cluster maintenaince.
[11:13]   esden getting coffee too
[11:13]   esden getting c0ff33 too
[11:13] < huebi> esden: It's a donation from Ripclaw to me. He wants me to be able to test all the alpha stuff, too. I just had to add some RAM, CDROM, 2 hard disks...
[11:13] < huebi> esden: ... update the firmware...
[11:14] < esden> huebi: I have to update it too I think ... why had you to update firmware was it too old ... or wrong one ... or what was the problem ?
[11:15] < esden> huebi: I had to pay 200EUR for my alpha >_<
[11:15] < huebi> aproximatly 3750 MB are now needed for a i686 build of ROCK Linux.
[11:16] < huebi> esden: I made some experiences with broken firmware. Now I first get the newest version and after that I start to use the Hardware.
[11:16] < esden> aha ... ok ... is an argument
[11:17] < huebi> especially for IBM Computers it's a_must_
[11:17] < esden> (freshmeat is being polluted by java aplications and librarys ... argh)
[11:17] < esden> huebi: I had never "real" IBM hardware
[11:27] < esden> huebi: was the mail I wrote to the rlml usefull in any way ?
[11:27] < huebi> I read the log. There are 2 directories in the linux-src package. I can make 2 packages out of the one.
[11:29] < esden> huebi: what for ? even more splitting ?
[11:29] < huebi> esden: Yes, it was. But I still wait for Rene's documentation. Then I must not do so much debug stuff to find the things out.
[11:29] < huebi> esden: linux-src = 47 MB
[11:30] < huebi> linux-2.4.18 =23MB
[11:31] < esden> huebi: ok
[11:31] < huebi> I can make one package from /usr/src/linux*
[11:31] < huebi> and one from /usr/src/kernel
[11:32] < esden> huebi: is it making sense ? this two directorys are related
[11:33] < huebi> from /usr/src/kernel all of /usr/src/linux* can be created with a script.
[11:33] < huebi> both are not needed for a running system at all.
[11:34] < huebi> linux-header has now all the header files in /usr/include
[11:34] < [anders]> meep.. no kaffe, but had some tea instead.... :)
[11:34] < huebi> linux-header has now all the header files in /usr/include/{linux,asm}
[11:34] < esden> <news>can be interestng for the ones working on the gnome1 and gnome2 packages: https://www.karubik.de/gig/ </news>
[11:34]   huebi needs breakfast...
[11:35] < esden> huebi: ack
[11:35] < esden> so write a script and include it in this packet ... and remove /usr/src/linux*
[11:36] < huebi> esden: jo, I do so. then there is enough space on the CDROM again.
[11:36] < esden> kk
[11:37] < esden> but there schould be a big whatever file in /usr/src to tell the people how to get the /usr/src/linux directory
[11:38] < esden> I know ... call the file linux then everybody will bump against it when they want to access the /usr/src directory
[11:41] < huebi> esden: linux-to_get_the_source_go_to_/usr/src/kernel_and_run_the_script_build-src-tree.sh
[11:44] < esden> yeppppiiiiiii ich wurde zur klausur zugelassen !!!!!
[11:44] < esden> freu *rumspring* !!!!!
[11:44] < [anders]> esden: and in english that would have meant what? :)
[11:45] < esden> [anders]: urgh ... I an now allowed to write my informatics2 exam !!!
[11:45] < [anders]> esden: aaahh, good luck with that exam. :)
[11:46] < esden> [anders]: it was not sure if they will allow me to write it because I have not gave them my homework ... not even once ... and they stated on the site where you apply for the exam that you need 60% of the homework to be allowed to write the exam >_<
[11:47] < esden> but this was only panic making ... so that people do homework I suppose
[11:47] < esden> [anders]: thank you ... I will have fun with VAX assembler ;-)
[11:47] < [anders]> esden: hehehe, well, can you blame them for trying? ;-)
[11:48]   esden is a VAX assembler junky
[11:48] < [anders]> erk, VAX assembler? is that used anywhere outside of the university ?
[11:48] < tsa> esden: https://www.jaenicke.org/fun/analexam.jpg <- have fun ;)
[11:48] < esden> [anders]: nono ... i do not blame them ;-) but I was really afraid that i will be not able to write the exam :-(
[11:49] < esden> [anders]: I do not think that it is being used elsewhere ... but it is really sweet assembler i must say
[11:49] < [anders]> tsa: *lol*
[11:50] < esden> tsa: *rofl*
[11:50] < tsa> i'm not sure if esden will have fun with his exam ;-)
[11:50] < [anders]> esden: I think you might enjoy MC680x0 assembler.... :)
[11:51] < esden> [anders]: you think ? do you have a whitepaper handy ... or other doc about it ... or example asm code ?
[11:52] < esden> "Alpha has 32 64-bit registers" hmm ... that should be enough for most things ;-)
[11:53] < [anders]> esden: uhm, I don't have any documentation handy, but I should be able to dig up some example source.. :)
[11:53] < esden> [anders]: ahh that would be cool
[11:54] < esden> ahh cool on alpha you do not need to do pushallr there are registers that are not being preserved over function calls ... that is sweet
[11:54] < [anders]> https://www.quartus.net/products/forth/manual/asm68k.htm
[11:55] < esden> [anders]: "13 addressing modes" urgh !
[11:55] < [anders]> https://www.amigau.com/c-programming/assembler/assemblertut.htm
[11:55] < tsa> hehe
[11:56] < tsa> i'd have expected more..
[11:56] < esden> that is as cool as on vax ... they also have _many_ addressing models
[11:56] < [anders]> https://216.239.39.100/search?q=cache:1qXzeNzmBhcC:www.ece.iit.edu/ftp/242/Asm.doc+example+68000+assembler+code&hl=sv&ie=UTF-8
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[11:57] < esden> [anders]: hehe ... ok ;-)
[11:57] < esden> hi Ge0rG
[11:57] < [anders]> moin Ge0rG
[11:58] < Ge0rG> hi
[11:58] < huebi> hi Ge0rG
[11:58] < [anders]> esden: there is tons of stuff out there on 68k asm programming.. The 68k range of CPU's was widely used in military equipment, so they are well documented.. :)
[12:00] < tsa> AFAIK, the first sparc was m86k-based, too..
[12:01] < huebi> the 1st SUN...
[12:01] < tsa> okok..
[12:01] < tsa> ;)
[12:03] < esden> [anders]: ahh ok then ... ;-) so I need some motorola hardware ;-)
[12:04] < esden> [anders]: now I am searching for good documentation about alpha assembler
[12:06] < tsa> np: Kai Tracid - Trance and Acid.mp3
[12:17] < [anders]> esden: google it.. :) that's what I do and it usually comes up with the goods.. :)
[12:18] < Ge0rG> th: wie ist eigentlich der status der mate-connection?
[12:24] < esden> [anders]: hmm ... I have not found anything really usefull till now ... I need something describing the use of nasm or gnu assembler on alpha ...
[12:25] < [anders]> esden: hmm.. not sure about that.. Let me do a quick search..
[12:26] < esden> from assembly howto: "Impractical (want), and the most often reason is being just an old crazy hacker, who has twenty years old habit of doing everything in assembly language." lool ;-)
[12:26] < esden> I am not really that old ... :-/
[12:27] < tsa> hehe
[12:27] < [anders]> esden: hmm.. nothing directly about alpha asm programming.. you could check the gas and nasm homepages I guess..
[12:29] < esden> yes ... I am now reading the assembly howto ... I hope to find there the basics of assembler programming under linux (I have only written assembler under dos and shortly on the MI (MI is the emulator for research that is based on VAX arch) )
[12:29] < esden> [anders]: yes will do
[12:31] < [anders]> asm is only really practical if you know exactly and explicitly how you want your code to work or you want to take advantage of some obscure and very very specific feature of your CPU and chipset. For most things, plain C will give you as good result, but in much less time..
[12:31] < huebi> ACK
[12:33] < [anders]> good example is the linux kernel code. there are bits in there labled as (appropriately) black magic as they use assembler for the simple reason that hand-coding bits gave better result than writing the C and having it generated by the compiler.
[12:33] < huebi> I did some assembler programing on ARM-2 under RISC-OS 3. The architecture of this RISC-CPU was quite easy and also programming some GUI programs whats easy but C is much more easy.
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[12:33] < kvak|uninvited> Tag zusammen !
[12:33] < [anders]> moin kvak|uninvited
[12:33] < tsa> hi kvak|uninvited
[12:33] < kvak|uninvited> Hello every1
[12:33] < huebi> moin kvak|uninvited
[12:37] < [anders]> other areas where assembler is useful is in graphics intensive applications where performance is of the essence. Not often in a business application you find the need for assembler.. The knowledge of how it works is good however.
[12:41] < huebi> [anders]: Well, I saw how much Java or php is now used in web aplications. It's not usable at all on old hardware. e.g. my old SparcStation IPX (25MHz Sparc CPU) needs 40 to 60 seconds to generate a php page. 10 or more years ago assembler was really essential.
[12:42] < huebi> on the same machine a java webserver can produce only about 390 Byte/s at the most
[12:43] < tsa> huebi: we need .ahtml - inline assembler ;-)
[12:43] < tsa> would be pretty cool
[12:43] < huebi> ACK ;-)
[12:45] < [anders]> tsa: you would still need a virtual machine to run the inline asm in and that would slow things down just as much as java would...
[12:45] < tsa> [anders]: i know....
[12:45] < [anders]> tsa :)
[12:47] < [anders]> perhaps if the jvm was written in assembler you would get better performance? :)
[12:47] < tsa> urghs.
[12:48] < tsa> java is nothing but damn slow.
[12:48] < tsa> before i start writing a new jvm in asm, i could do all my work in asm easier.. ;-)
[12:48] < [anders]> :-)
[12:49] < tsa> .oO( You're logged in - please program your shell.)
[12:52]   tsa filling up our uplink with edonkey
[12:52] < tsa> down: 70k, up: 1210k
[12:52] < tsa> hm..
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[12:56] < kvak|uninvited> java sux ?
[12:57] < tsa> good for rapid prototyping, i'd say.
[12:57] < tsa> but it's damn slow.
[12:57] < kvak|uninvited> Hey don t you know the advantages of java - so how could you say its slow ;-)
[12:57] < kvak|uninvited> ?
[12:57] < tsa> hehe
[12:58] < kvak|uninvited> I ve got this nice book:
[12:58] < kvak|uninvited> advantage, advantage, advantage - and these nice guis - you ll love it ;-))
[12:58] < tsa> hehe
[12:58] < tsa> i've done some java stuff about 2 years ago.
[12:59] < tsa> conclusion: java sucks.
[12:59] < tsa> ok.
[12:59] < tsa> whatever.
[12:59] < tsa> i'm gone for a while
[12:59] < tsa> talk to you later. cu all
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[12:59] < kvak|uninvited> it sucks, but the gui ;-))) cya
[12:59] < huebi> kvak|uninvited: It's really easy to occupy a whole 19.000EUR CPU onyt with a java browser ;-)
[12:59] < huebi> cu kvak|uninvited
[13:00] < kvak|uninvited> huebi> i know. you leave, huebi ?
[13:00] < kvak|uninvited> ;-)
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[13:01] < huebi> no i stay
[13:01] < kvak|uninvited> me too ;-)
[13:01] < kvak|uninvited> Just said goodbye to tsa
[13:01] < kvak|uninvited> *G*
[13:01] < huebi> axo
[13:03]   kvak|uninvited listens to: THE DOORS - RIDERS ON THE STORM -> passend zum wetter
[13:06] < huebi> Some compile times. first on alpha (miata 433MHz):
[13:06] < huebi> == 12:02:35 =[2]=> Building base package gcc [2.95.3 1.5.17].
[13:06] < huebi> == 12:51:23 07/16/02 =[2]=> Finished building package gcc.
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[13:06] < huebi> and now on UltraSparcII (300MHz)
[13:06] < huebi> == 05:59:25 =[2]=> Building base package gcc [2.95.3 1.5.17].
[13:06] < huebi> == 06:30:36 07/15/02 =[2]=> Finished building package gcc.
[13:07] < huebi> I can imagine that it is the amount on memory.
[13:08] < huebi> Alpha: 256MB, UltraSparcII 1220MB
[13:12] < [anders]> hummma... okay, I have base+opt built fine, now I want to start building the E stage, how can I persuade Build-All to just ignore that stage 1-5 is done and just build stage E ?
[13:13] < huebi> [anders]: I don't know. Can't you just change your configuration and start it over?
[13:14] < [anders]> if I start it again, Build-All complains that there is already packages in rock-ia32-i686-1.5.17-private and that it will not build any
[13:15] < huebi> rm -rf rock-ia32-i686-1.5.17-private *eg*
[13:15] < huebi> or mv rock-ia32-i686-1.5.17-private rock-ia32-i686-1.5.17-private.old
[13:17] < huebi> all is copied to rock-ia32-i686-1.5.17-private after all packages are finished. so you can delete it.
[13:17] < [anders]> done that, but every time you do that, it will insist on building the rescue and router subdists, and they take lots of time..
[13:17] < [anders]> yeah. hmm.. All I want is to build a stage.. I wonder if I can trick it into doing that...
[13:18] < huebi> I'll change that in near future. so you can deside wether to build the target rescue and router.
[13:19] < huebi> [anders]: Be carefull if you build  packages outside the chroot you might kill your system.
[13:21] < [anders]> huebi: I know.. I need to figure out how to fire up the Build-Stage in the chrooted env..
[13:22] < huebi> [anders]: yes, do it. That would be great.
[13:29] < esden> ok ... girls are gone :-(
[13:29]   esden back here ;-)
[13:37] < esden> huebi: can you imagine why my build on natalie is not continuing after building rock-debug with subdists ?
[13:38] < esden> huebi: is there a switch for it ?
[13:39] < fake> hi
[13:39] < huebi> hi fake
[13:40] < esden> hi fake
[13:40] < huebi> esden: No Idea. I have to wait for a long time to get there.
[13:40] < esden> hmm ...
[13:41] < esden> huebi: where are you currently in the build ?
[13:41] < fake> esden: i answered AlfredMartin955@gmx.de
[13:42] < huebi> == 13:37:40 =[2]=> Building base package bash [2.05a 1.5.17].
[13:43] < esden> fake: also sent to chatmaster ?
[13:43]   huebi needs some Pizza...
[13:45] < esden> fake: ???
[13:45] < huebi> ..and a forth 128MB SDRAM with ECC for the alpha.
[13:45] < esden> fake: if no ... please sent it to me too if it is possible
[13:47] < esden> fake: danke
[13:48] < fake> woo!
[13:48] < fake> man...
[13:48] < fake> das is mir noch nie passiert
[13:48] < esden> ???
[13:48] < fake> ich bekomm so ne mail a-la
[13:48] < fake> "wir sind an ihnen interessiert, bla, busines, blablahg
[13:49] < fake> standard antwort: r i is that spam? i hate spam. <ESC> :wq y
[13:49] < fake> und jetzt schreiben die zurueck:
[13:49] < fake> Hello Thomas,
[13:49] < fake> we are serious. If you send spam you don't ask for permission usually:-)
[13:49] < fake> greetz, Swetlana
[13:49] < fake> *lol*
[13:49] < esden> *rofl*
[13:49] < fake> *liest*
[13:51] < huebi> fake: Ok, 80.000 EUR per year, own car, parking place inhouse, secretary and own office with at leas 50 square metres
[13:51] < huebi> fake: Also all equipment I think I need must be there for you...
[13:55] < esden> hmm ... now subdists work ... strange >_<
[13:55]   fake chatting abit with svetlana
[13:55] < fake> huebi: those times are long gone
[13:55] < esden> fake: over email ?
[13:56] < huebi> esden: What are the differences of the alpha cpus?
[13:56] < fake> j0.
[13:56] < huebi> fake: hm. What times do we have now?
[13:56] < esden> huebi: urgh ... good question ... I have not yet informed myself about it ... will do in _near_ future
[13:57] < huebi> esden: Ok. I go catching some pizza and then we talk about it? *g*
[13:58] < esden> ohh ... (opening linuxalpha.org) ... I hope I know enough when you are back
[13:58] < esden> huebi: bon appetit
[13:58] < huebi> esden: Why is the alpha so much slower than the SUN?
[13:59] < esden> huebi: sun is having better io handling afaik
[13:59] < [anders]> managed to get it building E after all.. removing the ia32-blah-blah directory and just being persistant got it going..
[13:59] < esden> I will have a miata optimized build in one week I hope @ huebi
[13:59] < esden> then it should be bit faster
[14:00] < esden> my current build includes only a miata optimized kernel
[14:00] < huebi> but alpha 433MHz = 48 mins but Sun 300MHz = 31 mins
[14:01] < huebi> s/but/ /
[14:01] < esden> huebi: ram ?
[14:01] < huebi> 256 to 1216 MB
[14:03] < esden> huebi: I think that is the difference
[14:03] < esden> and I think that the memory speed on in your sun box is better than the sdram you have in your alpha ...
[14:03] < esden> only an idea
[14:03] < huebi> buffer overflow vulnerability in glibc <- What's up with this? also in ROCK Linux?
[14:04] < huebi> or only in Gentoo
[14:05] < huebi> https://www.lwn.net/Articles/4687/
[14:07] < [anders]> what the heck is libcsound used for?
[14:07] < huebi> I don't know
[14:07] < [anders]> it fails to build and there is a bit in the error that made me worried..
[14:08] < [anders]> > gcc -fPIC -O2   -funroll-loops -I./new-src -I./new-src/maldonado -I. ..
[14:08] < [anders]> > ld -L. -L/opt/csound/lib -L/usr/X11R6/lib  -s  -o csound csound-main ..
[14:08] < [anders]> > csound-main.o: In function `main':
[14:08] < [anders]> > csound-main.o(.text+0x52f): the use of `tmpnam' is dangerous, better ..
[14:08] < [anders]> > ld: warning: cannot find entry symbol _start; defaulting to 08048ca0
[14:08] < [anders]> > csound-main.o(.text+0x59c): undefined reference to `atexit'
[14:08] < fake> huebi: downtime
[14:10] < fake> arch?
[14:11] < fake> @[an
[14:11] < fake> ders}
[14:11] < fake> i386?
[14:11] < fake> ia32, that is
[14:11] < esden> "...makes Alpha an especially attractive architecture for
[14:11] < esden> building multiple-processor systems."
[14:12] < fake> "... makes FAKE an especially attractive reciept for
[14:12] < fake> multi-processor systems."
[14:13] < [anders]> right, if no-one actually uses the libcsound extension, I'd be inclined to get rid of it..
[14:13] < esden> fake: yes, but "..." is not really good, you should write "... ..."
[14:13] < [anders]> especially as there is libasound and libesd available to use instead..
[14:15] < esden> "makes Alpha an especially attractive architecture for
[14:15] < esden> building multiple
[14:15] < esden> sorry
[14:15] < esden> urgh
[14:16] < esden> "C. 3 VAX Floating-Point Instructions" rofl ... they have VAX instruction support ... my sympathy to alpha is rising ;-)
[14:17] < [anders]> esden: not surprising.. DEC == Digital right? :)
[14:19] < esden> [anders]: yes I know ;-) this is really not surprising
[14:19] < [anders]> not really no, but I still would not have quite anticipated the VAX support to still be there..
[14:20] < esden> they are using also the same naming for registers as in VAX assembler
[14:21] < esden> [anders]: there are many things that are same as in VAX ... for example the design focused on creation of multiprocessor machines ... VAX processors were also designd so that they are smoothly running in multiprocessor environments
[14:30] < esden> [anders]: "A minimal number of VAX compatibility instructions are included."
[14:32] < [anders]> gnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnash! team *spit* meeting *retch*
[14:32] < esden> [anders]: have fun ;-)
[14:33] < fake> *dg*
[14:37] < esden> huebi: the differences that I see till now are in floating point exception handling ... and in performance handling by the PALlibrary(this library is something like bios functions on PC)
[14:38] < esden> not "performance handling" but "performance monitoring"
[14:38] < esden> sorry
[14:38] < [anders]> aah.. we were not requyired to attend the team meeting so I am now back at my desk.. I wonder if they could hear me complain about having to attend the meeting? :)
[14:39] < esden> hehe
[14:40] < esden> urgh ... I love specifications ... they are so beautifully _DRY_
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[14:41] < SMP> esden: try reading some patents then
[14:41] < [anders]> moin SMP
[14:47] < esden> SMP: yes ... that would be fun ;-)
[14:47] < esden> and yes ... good morning SMP
[14:47] < SMP> no, really, it isn't
[14:48] < esden> SMP: I said it with slite irony
[14:48] < esden> SMP: I know that it is not really fun to read such stuff
[14:51] < esden> huebi: next differences I found are: the cache amount and if there is on chip second level cache or not
[14:54] < fake> hi SMP
[15:06] < huebi> re
[15:06] < huebi> moin SMP
[15:06] < esden> re huebi
[15:07] < Mike1> re All
[15:07] < huebi> ...or even read some laws and the comment on them. I did that with the "Strassenverkehrszulassungsordnung". After that some new law were made, hehe.
[15:07] < huebi> re Mike1
[15:08] < Mike1> hi huebi how are you today?
[15:08] < esden> re Mike1
[15:08] < Mike1> yo esden :)
[15:10] < esden> huebi: yes, reading law papers is also really "funny"
[15:10] < fake> boy am i annoyed...
[15:10] < esden> fake: about ?
[15:11] < fake> colleagues
[15:11] < esden> fake: ask mathilda for help ;-)
[15:11] < esden> fake: no ... what are they doing/not doing ?
[15:11]   Mike1 reading "BASTARD OPERATOR FROM HELL"
[15:11] < esden> fake: what is about DPS ... and the mail you wrote to your boss ?
[15:12] < [anders]> moin Mike1
[15:12] < esden> Mike1: wich time is it you read it ?
[15:12] < fake> esden: they are doing nothing.
[15:12] < fake> thy are complaining
[15:12] < Mike1> [anders]: nice to see you :) how did the build go?
[15:12] < fake> that's what they do
[15:12] < fake> whining losers...
[15:12] < Mike1> esden: what do you mean?
[15:13] < fake> Mike1  : esdens is asking how often you read it
[15:13] < Mike1> esden: fake: this is is just the 5th time i read it
[15:13] < esden> fake: tell them to do what they want by themselves ;-)
[15:14] < esden> Mike1: hehe ;-)
[15:14] < fake> esden: they can't. and they have no problem in telling me.
[15:14] < [anders]> Mike1: hacking on the ext stuff now.. :)
[15:15] < esden> argh ... are the processor datasheats all empty on the compaq page or am I to stupid to download them ? >_<
[15:16] < fake> esden: they are empty to be mostly error-free.
[15:16] < esden> fake: yes, hehe
[15:17] < Mike1> [anders]: cool!! so you finished base+opt already?
[15:19] < huebi> * pizza is in the oven now..
[15:21] < Mike1> mmm.. yummy pizza :-)
[15:21] < huebi> ;-)
[15:22] < huebi> and I found some fresh pineapple in the fridge for the pizza, too. ;-)
[15:23] < esden> huebi: if you want to know more about alpha processors I point you to this here : https://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Alpha-HOWTO-3.html
[15:24] < huebi> *click*
[15:24] < esden> it is a brief description of the differences between the different alpha processors
[15:24] < esden> sadly there is nothing about EV6 >_<
[15:26] < huebi> esden: so we've got the latest in FV56?
[15:26] < huebi> esden: so we've got the latest in EV56?
[15:27] < esden> no the latest is the 21264/EV68ACB
[15:27]   Mike1 away buying some pizza
[15:27] < esden> when I see it correctly
[15:28] < esden> at least is this the biggest number on this page: https://www.support.compaq.com/alpha-tools/documentation/current/chip-docs.html
[15:28] < huebi> the latest in EV56 - not in EV6 I mean
[15:29] < esden> yes in the EV5 line the EV56 is the latest
[15:31] < esden> huebi: but they could me faster if we had the 600Mhz versions ...
[15:31] < huebi> ok. does 600MHz work on miata?
[15:33] < esden> dont know sorry
[15:40] < esden> huebi:
[15:40] < esden> Personal Workstation    MIATA                   miata
[15:40] < esden> PWS 433a(u)
[15:40] < esden> PWS 500a(u)
[15:40] < esden> PWS 600a(u)
[15:41] < rxr> re
[15:41] < rxr> huebi: yes - I know the kernel howto ;-)
[15:41] < huebi> re rxr
[15:41] < huebi> esden: https://gcc.gnu.org/onlinedocs/gcc-2.95.3/gcc_2.html#SEC34
[15:42] < huebi> rxr: How was your exam?
[15:42] < esden> re rxr
[15:42] < rxr> ;-) Easy. I hope I did not too many stupid typo-style mistakes ...
[15:43] < rxr> hi esden && huebi
[15:43] < huebi> rxr: kool. nice to hear that.
[15:44] < rxr> the stupid Programmin Prof (I already talked about his stupid talks ?) found a way to decreate my result by 5 poit. So I only get a 1.3 in the Programming fluff (result 195/200 points) - stupid guy.
[15:45] < esden> huebi: yes I know I have to include global optimisation in rock-alpha
[15:45] < huebi> esden: Do you have some external cache in your miata
[15:45] < huebi> ?
[15:45] < fake> rxr: what a weenie.
[15:45] < fake> rxr: you're _such_ a looser.
[15:45] < fake> *PARTY*
[15:45] < esden> fake: ack
[15:45] < esden> ;-)
[15:46] < esden> huebi: hmm ... you know how to check it ?
[15:46] < fake> i thought you'd at least get 205/200 points...
[15:46] < rxr> I got in the first semester exam ;-)
[15:48] < huebi> I saw sth in the boot console. but you can also open it and have a look. Between CPU and memory banks are some more sockets for the cache.
[15:54] < esden> huebi: I see several chips between cpu and ram but see for youself ;-) : https://drocklinux.dyndns.org/rene/photos/lxtag-2002/lxt_rxr_2017.jpeg
[15:57] < huebi> esden: These 8 big ones are your cache. ;-) I havn't got there some chips. Only empty sockets.
[15:58] < huebi> esden: We have different boards.
[15:58] < fake> rxr: aaah. yes. go away.
[15:59] < esden> hmm ... that can be also a reason for your lesser performance
[16:00] < esden> huebi: make a photo
[16:00] < esden> please
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[16:00] < huebi> esden: I havn't got a digital cam.
[16:01] < rxr> huebi: the photos on my homepage are also all analoge ones - which got scanned ...
[16:01] < esden> hmm ... ok so you will have to take your box with you to the next meating
[16:01] < huebi> esden: I do so.
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[16:03] < fake> hi h0h0
[16:03] < esden> hi huebi
[16:03] < esden> urgh
[16:03] < esden> h0h0:
[16:04] < huebi> hi esden ;-)
[16:04] < esden> hi huebi ;-)
[16:04] < fake> hi fake
[16:04] < esden> huebi: long time no see ;-)
[16:04] < huebi> Moooo.
[16:04] < esden> ahh hi mathilda !!! ;-)
[16:05] < huebi> _____________
[16:05] < huebi> < Hallo esden >
[16:05] < huebi> -------------
[16:05] < huebi>         \   ^__^
[16:05] < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
[16:05] < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
[16:05] < huebi>                 ||----w |
[16:06] < huebi>                 ||     ||
[16:06] < huebi>
[16:06] < fake> :_:
[16:08] < fake> not even mathilda is with me today :_:
[16:08] < huebi> esden: What do you think about reducing the 30 CPU's of the architecture of alpha to: ev4 ( _____________________
[16:08] < huebi> < I am with you, fake >
[16:08] < huebi> ---------------------
[16:08] < huebi>         \   ^__^
[16:08] < huebi>          \  (oo)\_______
[16:08] < huebi>             (__)\       )\/\
[16:08] < huebi>                 ||----w |
[16:09] < huebi>                 ||     ||
[16:09] < huebi>
[16:09] < fake> *bow* *bow* *bow* oh cow most wise *bow* i thank you *bow*
[16:09] < fake> now i can work happily for these morons, for i know you love me *bow* *b0\/\/*
[16:11] < fake> i am gonna scarifice a cigarette to mathilda now....
[16:12] < fake> burning it up, so the smoke reaches heaven, where mathilda lives
[16:12] < huebi> esden: The supported CPUs in the architecture alpha are: ev4 (21064), ev5 (21164), ev56 (21164a), pca56 (21164pc, 21164PC) and ev6 (21264). I would call the 30 CPUs you introduced better hardware platforms.
[16:12] < huebi> fake: If it contains weed Mathilda will be even more lucky. ;-)
[16:12] < Mike1> Hi your Highness Mathilda
[16:12] < esden> yes sure ... but the options are needed for kernel
[16:13] < esden> for each of this cpu's there is a different set of assembler files in the kernel
[16:14] < huebi> == 14:47:49 =[3]=> Building base package linux [2.4.18 1.5.17].
[16:14] < huebi> == 16:13:30 07/16/02 =[3]=> Finished building package linux.
[16:14] < huebi> The alpha needs at least cache.
[16:14] < huebi> 1h26 is too long.
[16:15] < huebi> esden: Yes, now I see.
[16:15] < esden> so we need all this options ... but I have to create a translation table from the 30 cpu's to the ev4 ev5 ev56 pca56 and ev6 so that gcc is invoked correctly for other compiles beside the kernel
[16:15] < esden> too
[16:16] < huebi> The -mcpu option of gcc 2.95.3 can be: ev4, ev5, ev56, pca56 and ev6.
[16:16] < huebi> esden: ACK
[16:16] < esden> yes I know ... there must be something in the kernel makefiles translating it correctly
[16:17]   esden searching
[16:19] < fake> huebi: i will sacrifice lots of that later :(
[16:21] < huebi> fake: hehe
[16:24] < fake> i don't thin it's that funny
[16:25]   fake Wolfsheim - Old man's valley
[16:47] < esden> urgh ... my the version of svn that I have tested is pretty old ...
[16:48] < Mike1> huebi: how did you go with vimrc?
[16:55] < [anders]> Mike1: the answer is yes.. base+opt has finished building... do you want my rock-src ? :)
[16:56] < Mike1> [anders]: why do you ask questions when you already know the answer? :-)
[16:56] < Mike1> of course i do
[16:57] < huebi> ree
[16:58] < Mike1> yo huebi :)
[16:58] < huebi> Mike1: I did not do anything with vim till now. I tried to figure out the kernel.config stuff.
[16:59] < Mike1> huebi: oh ok, so how did you go with the kernel.config stuff?
[16:59] < [anders]> Mike1: Okay.. I will upload it and let you know where to get it from. :)
[16:59] < huebi> And Ripclaw just called me. Perhaps he has a miata board with L3-cache
[16:59] < Mike1> [anders]: thank you so much, :))
[17:00] < huebi> brb.
[17:00] < Mike1> huebi: you getting it?
[17:00] < Mike1> ok
[17:00] < huebi> Mike1: now working kernel.conf till now...
[17:01] < Mike1> huebi: i ment the miata board
[17:05] < huebi> re
[17:05] < huebi> Mike1: I'll see. If it has some cache I take it and test it.
[17:05] < Mike1> also i read ripclaws mail regarding the collecto to buy memory
[17:06] < Mike1> too bad i live so far away :(
[17:07] < huebi> Yes, we need a cheap possibility to meet and for shipping.
[17:08] < Mike1> I hope i can soon find a company to hire me over there so i can move
[17:08] < Mike1> also need to improve my german laguage skills
[17:09]   fake just now noticed the make tags
[17:10] < huebi> esden: When will the "Use dotmatrix lc display output" work in ROCK Linux?
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[17:11]   huebi having a look at scripts/Config
[17:14] < rxr> huebi: is it ok - when I sleep for 1 1/2 hours and start the kernel config docu after this ?
[17:15] < rxr> (and is the docu still needed, or did you foud out the missing peaces yourself)
[17:15] < huebi> rxr: Yes, of course it is. I first meet with Ripclaw for the hardware stuff.
[17:15] < rxr> ah ok
[17:16] < rxr> do the t-dls conneceted people here also experience some slow-down in the last weeks?
[17:16] < huebi> rxr: Just write something short. I have now very much experience with documentation for beginners.
[17:16] < huebi> rxr: Here they improved with the performance .
[17:17] < rxr> with q-dsl I only get "176.91 kBit/s" everage INTO the internet - the last half year this was usually "> 256 kBit/s" ... :-(
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[17:17] < huebi> rxr: I need something which points me exactly to the right direction.
[17:18] < huebi> I can write the rest but I need all the basics ;-)
[17:18] < rxr> huebi: I can also produce a detailed text now - till Sunday I have much time now
[17:19] < huebi> Yesterday I wrote a OpenSSH update instruction (in german) for beginners.
[17:19] < huebi> rxr: Ok then please do it.
[17:19]   rxr wondering whether I should call q-dsl and complain that my up-load speed is too slow ...
[17:19] < huebi> rxr: do that too.
[17:19] < rxr> err s/q-dsl/qsc/
[17:20] < huebi> I think they have not enough resources. Call them and complain. At least once a day.
[17:21] < fake> that's stolen form the LboX contract
[17:21] < fake> :P
[17:21] < rxr> fake: ?
[17:21] < fake> rxr: the LboX is a gadget i'll invent
[17:22] < fake> with triple-rot13-encoded BIOS to prevent mathilda-in-the-middle attacks
[17:22] < fake> and in 3 version
[17:22] < fake> Lamer LboX
[17:22] < fake> (CONFIG_LAME Bios)
[17:22] < rxr> huebi: hm - but I do not find the buissenes support number I once got - and the normal support is just a call-center where I get thrown into /dev/null...
[17:22] < fake> rxr: walk there
[17:22] < fake> with guns. lots of guns.
[17:23] < rxr> ah I found a number
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[17:31] < [anders]> Mike1: https://trudheim.org/rock-src/rock-src-1.5.17-private.020716_1009.tar.bz2
[17:31] < Mike1> [anders]: thanks
[17:32] < [anders]> Mike1: that is the snap that built end2end for me.. :)
[17:32] < Mike1> [anders]: thanks i got it all now
[17:33] < [anders]> Mike1: excellent. :)
[17:35] < Mike1> [anders]: i am working on it now :)
[17:43] < [anders]> Mike1: hope it is working completely for you.. I am having problems with the Ext's so will have to take a look at them at some point. Not all of them build, perhaps 50% build if I were to take a guess at current success ratio.. We still have work ahead to get all of them working fine.. Now I can get base+opt to build anyway, so I have a start....
[17:49]   rxr sleeping an our
[17:50] < rxr> s/our/hour/
[17:50] < fake> sleep well
[17:50] < fake> have fun *dg*
[17:52] < fake> Wolfsheim - The Sparrows and the Nightingales
[17:56]   Mike1 away firewalling :)
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[18:04] < owl> hi
[18:05] < Mike1> moin owl
[18:05] < owl> moin Mike1
[18:12] < [anders]> moin owl
[18:13] < owl> moin [anders]
[18:13]   [anders] is getting ready to go home.. There is only so many hours a day you would like to spend at work, paid or not...
[18:16] < [anders]> ttfn.. back later, for a little bit anyway.. :)
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[18:47] < esden> re clifford_away
[18:47] < esden> or better "re ghost of clifford" ;-)
[18:58] < Freak> rxr: wann isn der artikel drin?
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[19:48] < rxr> re
[19:48] < owl> re rxr
[19:48] < rxr> Freak:
[19:49] < rxr> Hallo Hallo Reni,
[19:49] < rxr> sorry, dass ich nicht reagiert habe!!! Wir liegen ndmlich
[19:49] < rxr> in den letzten Z|gen der Ausgabe 09. Ich denke, dass dein
[19:49] < rxr> Beitrag in der 10 kommen kann.
[19:49] < rxr> Beste Gr|_e
[19:49] < rxr> Jan.
[19:49] < rxr> huebi: still arround ?
[19:49] < rxr> -r
[20:02] < Freak> rxr: schade :)
[20:03] < rxr> Freak: wieso?
[20:03] < fake> good morning, rxr ;-)
[20:03] < Freak> rxr: weiss nich, wär doch ganz cool gewesen
[20:03] < rxr> fake: moin
[20:04] < rxr> Freak: naja - 10 ist auch ok. Vielleicht koennen die das ja auch ind er Vorschau erwaehnen ?
[20:04] < Freak> ja!
[20:04] < Freak> schreib ihm nochmal :)
[20:05]   esden setting up subversion
[20:07] < rxr> esden: too much time ?
[20:10] < rxr> AAARGHHH!
[20:10] < rxr> huebi: !!!!!!
[20:12] < rxr> huebi: !
[20:12] < rxr> aarghhhh!
[20:12] < fake> rxr: was los?
[20:13] < rxr> urgh
[20:13] < rxr> ich dachte der hat die 1.7 kernel config gemerged.
[20:13] < rxr> das ist ja voll das chaso
[20:13] < rxr> s/chaso/chaos/
[20:13] < rxr> ....
[20:13] < rxr> und seine homepage-links sind auch noch nicht gefixt
[20:13] < fake> 1.5 meint er
[20:14] < rxr> ja - er wollte die 1.7 aenderungen fuer ein linux (mit modules) und linux-src uebernehmen
[20:14] < rxr> aber da existirt jetzt voll das chaos
[20:14] < fake> tj0r.
[20:20]   Mike1 away at lunch
[20:24] < esden> rxr: no ... I have a debian box here ... under debian is it not so time consuming ... ;-)
[20:24]   esden away: smoeken
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[20:24] < tsa> re
[20:25] < rxr> esden: Hae. Wozu ist diese Antwort ?
[20:25] < rxr> hi tsa
[20:26] < owl> moin tsa
[20:26] < tsa> hi rxr
[20:26] < tsa> hi owl
[20:29] < tomik> hi
[20:30] < Freak> hmmm
[20:30] < Freak> wie cross-kompiliere ich einen kernel?
[20:31] < Freak> d.h. auf einem 786er (ist doch einer, oder?) für einen 486er
[20:32] < rxr> make ARCH=$your-arch menuconfig
[20:32] < Freak> ahh
[20:32] < Freak> danke :)
[20:32] < rxr> make ARCH=$your-arch zImage ....
[20:33] < rxr> brauchst aber nen cross compilier dafuer!
[20:33] < Freak> öhm
[20:33] < fake> make ARCH=foo CROSS_COMPILE=foo-linux-
[20:33] < Freak> woher nehmen, wenn nicht stehlen?
[20:33] < rxr> err - cross compilier bauen ist oft nicht so straigt forward
[20:33] < Freak> wiebitte?
[20:33] < rxr> fuer welche architektur  ?
[20:33] < [anders]> kerfuffel
[20:34] < fake> cross compilen is die dunkle seite der macht...
[20:34] < Freak> rxr: ein 486er
[20:34] < fake> aaach
[20:34] < [anders]> LANG=en_GB plz
[20:34] < rxr> lcok
[20:34] < rxr> errr *lol*
[20:34] < fake> katatunka katatunka!
[20:34] < rxr> that is not cross-compling
[20:34] < tsa> ??
[20:34] < Freak> hilfe!
[20:34] < Freak> was weiss denn ich!
[20:34] < rxr> that is only compiling a less optimized kernel for a old cpu
[20:34] < fake> Freak: just select 486 as cpu in the config
[20:34] < rxr> fake: ACK
[20:35] < rxr> Freak: and then run the normal make ...
[20:35] < Freak> tut nich so als könntet ihr englisch ;)
[20:35] < Freak> okido danke
[20:35] < rxr> cross-compling is compiling on one arch for another. Like a ULTRASparc kernel on am Athlon ;-)!
[20:35] < Freak> ic
[20:35] < [anders]> moin
[20:35] < tsa> CONFIG_M486=y in kernel-source/.config ?
[20:35] < rxr> hi [anders]
[20:35] < Freak> aber I have that sowieso schon am beginning gesagt iirc.
[20:36] < [anders]> rxr: how's things? :)
[20:36] < Freak> ok so thanks tho, guys
[20:36] < rxr> Freak: oh - i overread 486 ;-)
[20:36] < Freak> (:
[20:36] < Freak> hehe
[20:36] < rxr> [anders]: oh good
[20:36] < rxr> and you?
[20:36] < Freak> it's not my fault!! :))
[20:37] < rxr> Freak: it is - you wrote cross-compile ;-)
[20:37] < [anders]> rxr: not bad.. going thought the extensions in 1.5.17 that failed to build in a bit. I hope to get a fully working 1.5.17 in a week or so..
[20:38] < Freak> rxr: I didnt know it was not cross-compiling.
[20:38] < Freak> rxr: so I wrote what I knew or what I thought would be right
[20:38] < Freak> don't blame me :)
[20:38] < rxr> Freak: ;-) Well now you know ;-) *g*
[20:39] < Freak> uhm but blame me for this one: ROCK is able to be built for a mac, isn't it?
[20:39] < Freak> yup, and you're my hero :)
[20:39] < rxr> Freak: it should - we did not tested that in the last month ...
[20:39] < Freak> (:
[20:39] < tsa> ripclaw might know..
[20:40] < Freak> in fact that sentence is not good english tho
[20:40] < Freak> *g
[20:40] < rxr> Freak: the way to compilie a 486 kernel: 1st: Download rock source, 2nd: select optimize for 486 in the config, 3rd: Execute Download -package linux and Build-Pkg linux ;-) *g*
[20:41] < Freak> arrrgh
[20:41] < rxr> Freak: why do you rate our english? Should I type 2 times slower just to correct my typos ?
[20:41] < Freak> again: this notebook does not have a cd drive nor does it have an os on it
[20:41] < Freak> nor does it have 12 megs of ram, it only has 4
[20:41] < rxr> Freak: urgh - what is it ?
[20:41] < Freak> never mind I had english advanced course for two years ;)
[20:41] < rxr> you speak about your 486 ?
[20:42] < Freak> my neat little notebook
[20:42] < Freak> yup
[20:42] < rxr> Sure - you can let ROCK compile the kernel the above way, for you ...
[20:42] < Freak> oh my god
[20:42] < Freak> oh
[20:42] < Freak> my
[20:42] < Freak> god
[20:42] < Freak> what did I do
[20:42] < rxr> ghm ?
[20:42] < Freak> bbl
[20:43] < Freak> muLinux just told me to reboot
[20:43] < Freak> I just hope it didnt modify my hdd's file system
[20:43] < Freak> it should modify the floppy's one
[20:44] < Freak> ahh
[20:44] < Freak> a booting linux just looks pretty :)
[20:45] < [anders]> argh! 100 extensions failed to build... Now, _that_ will take a while to fix....
[20:45] < Freak> haha
[20:45] < Freak> "MicroSoft? is that some kind of a toilet paper?" :)
[20:45] < Freak> nice
[20:45] < Freak> "Unable to open an initial console."
[20:46] < Freak> so what am I supposed to do now?
[20:46] < tsa> attach console ;-)
[20:46] < Freak> huhm?
[20:46] < tsa> let's see...
[20:47] < tsa> broken append=.. line in your lilo.conf?
[20:47] < Freak> I don't get a prompt
[20:47] < Freak> what the hell do I know, it's just muLinux
[20:47] < tsa> ah, ok
[20:47] < tsa> that's easy
[20:47] < Freak> so :)
[20:47] < Freak> is it?
[20:47] < tsa> echo "you suck" | mail packager@mulinux.org
[20:47] < Freak> pleeeese help me :)
[20:47] < Freak> lol
[20:48] < tsa> ;-)
[20:48] < Freak> maaan
[20:48] < tsa> hm... WTF is muLinux?
[20:48] < Freak> a micro distribution
[20:48] < Freak> one disk
[20:48] < Freak> floppy
[20:48] < Freak> and it fscking doesnt boot! *aaaaarrrggghhhh*
[20:49] < tsa> i already know tha one - even comes without initial console...a very "micro" distribution.. ;-)
[20:49] < Freak> narf
[20:49] < Freak> help me!
[20:49] < tsa> need a suicide plan?
[20:49] < Freak> or at least hand me the yellow pages ;P
[20:49] < tsa> https://www.jaenicke.org/suicide.html
[20:50] < Freak> argh I don't have time for this sorry
[20:50] < tsa> just boot your muLinux, log in and start a browser *giggle*
[20:50] < Freak> well.. actually I do
[20:50] < Freak> narf
[20:50] < fake> tsa: https://fake.by-infonet.de/
[20:50] < fake> "Other Texts"
[20:50] < fake> Suicide #1 / #2
[20:50] < tsa> no idea about that one - never heard about muLinux..
[20:51] < [anders]> muLinux for 680x0 cpu's ?
[20:54] < Freak> [anders]?
[20:54] < [anders]> Freak: yes, that would be me...
[20:54] < Freak> https://sunsite.dk/mulinux/
[20:54] < Freak> [anders]: ah, just had the impression it could be someone anders.
[20:55] < Freak> (explanation: anders=different in german)
[20:55] < [anders]> Freak: okay, you lost me there.. :-D
[20:55] < [anders]> Aaaaaahhh
[20:55] < Freak> haha ;)
[20:56] < huebi> ree
[20:56] < [anders]> huebi: my main man!! :-)
[20:56] < [anders]> moin huebi .. 100 ext failed to build..
[20:56] < fake> re huebi
[20:56] < tomik> hi huebi
[20:56] < huebi> Ripclaw is also here ;-)
[20:57] < huebi> We just burn 1.5.17 for him
[20:57] < huebi> no cache for alpha ;-(
[20:57] < Freak> /linuxrc: Cannot fork
[20:57] < fake> hi ripclaw! *waves*
[20:58] < Freak> and again
[20:58] < Freak> no initial console.
[20:58] < Freak> nice.
[21:01] < Freak> ahhhhhh someone shoot me!
[21:01]   fake shoots Freak
[21:02] < huebi> Freak: https://huntingsociety.org/weapons.html
[21:02]   Freak drops on the floor, dead.
[21:04]   Freak wonders if linux can boot if hda1 is swap and hda2 /
[21:04] < huebi> jo. works
[21:04] < Freak> tnx
[21:06] < [anders]> linux can boot if root is /dev/rootvg/lv_root and swap is /dev/rootvg/lw_swap...
[21:07] < [anders]> depends how you boot it I suppose.. ;-)
[21:07] < Freak> hmm heh
[21:09] < Freak> hrm
[21:09] < [anders]> huebi: figured a way to build the E stage.. but it required hands on right this moment.. :)
[21:09] < tsa> swap on lvm? uh..
[21:10] < [anders]> tsa: no problem... :)
[21:12] < Mike1> [anders]: what did you do to build E ???
[21:12] < Mike1> BTW re
[21:14] < [anders]> Mike1: I looked in Build-All, cd into /rock-linux/dist , chroot ., mount /proc, /dev and /rock-orig (nfs), then you can cd into /rock-linux and do ./scripts/Build-Stage E
[21:15] < [anders]> moin Mike1  :)
[21:16] < [anders]> tsa: my laptop runs Rock 1.4.0 from lvm, all apart from /boot
[21:16] < Mike1> [anders]: mmmm... cannot have this done by hand
[21:16] < tsa> [anders]: hm...nice.
[21:16] < tsa> no lvm here, but reiserfs only.
[21:16] < [anders]> Mike1: I will figure a way to script it.. Should be relatively easy.. :)
[21:17] < tsa> pretty fast compared to ext2, but i'd like to get filesystem acl's ..
[21:17] < [anders]> then I'll make patch and submit.. Put it in scripts somewhere..
[21:17] < [anders]> tsa: lvm+reiserfs.. that way, grow or shrink both lv and fs.. at will.. :-D
[21:17] < Mike1> [anders]: yes :)
[21:18] < [anders]> tsa: acl's you can get if you use grsecurity..
[21:18] < tsa> [anders]: hm....i'm not sure if all filesystems like getting resized..
[21:19] < tsa> [anders]: a few more acl's in kernel-space, yes.
[21:19] < [anders]> tsa: with reiserfs you can shrink online filesystems.. I have done.. it works.. growing them is really easy..
[21:19] < tsa> but i want filesystem acl's..
[21:19] < tsa> (immutable, append-only, ..)
[21:19] < tsa> lsattr, chattr, ..
[21:20] < [anders]> tsa: JFS does ACL's I think.. not sure if that was ported from AIX to Linux though..
[21:20] < tsa> dunno.
[21:20] < tsa> <- had to debug a customer's aix box yesterday..
[21:20] < tsa> aix is trange.
[21:20] < tsa> strange
[21:21] < tsa> i wasn't able to find a decent shell with tab-completion and readline-support.
[21:21] < SMP> wimp
[21:21] < huebi> hehe
[21:21] < tsa> either the customer's admins suck or aix is really strange..
[21:21] < [anders]> aix is nice, got nice features.. 5L is not as nice as 4.3.3 though.
[21:22] < SMP> nobody admins an AIX from the shell
[21:22] < [anders]> tsa: get bash from www.bull.de and install.. :)
[21:22] < [anders]> SMP: no?
[21:22] < huebi> smitty
[21:22] < huebi> rulez
[21:22] < SMP> well, you hardly can
[21:22] < tsa> SMP: but?
[21:22] < SMP> yes. but smitty is not quite a 'shell'
[21:22] < [anders]> smitty is ok, only to find out what commands you need to run.. ;-)
[21:22] < rxr> huebi: I stopped kernel config commenting.
[21:23] < tsa> what's smitty?
[21:23] < rxr> huebi: it is a mess in 1.5. I'll fix 1.5 tomorrow.
[21:23] < tsa> graphical config tool?
[21:23] < huebi> rxr: What is the mess?
[21:23] < [anders]> tsa: AIX System Management Interface Tool
[21:23] < SMP> tsa: no wonder you don't grok AIX if you don't know smit(ty)
[21:23] < huebi> tsa: smit is the graphical tool
[21:23] < tsa> ah, i see.
[21:23] < [anders]> tsa: smit is gui tool, smitty for the console..
[21:24] < tsa> wouldn't have helpen in this case, then.
[21:24] < tsa> s,n,d,
[21:24] < SMP> tsa: like HP-UX's sam. just faster.
[21:24] < rxr> huebi: the kernel config. You did not merged the 1.7 changes propperly
[21:24] < tsa> no ssh access to customer, hat to use a maintenance dialin there.
[21:24] < [anders]> tsa: ssh on AIX is NOT easy..
[21:24] < [anders]> especially if they use AFS..
[21:25] < tsa> the only box available at work at that time was a win2k box.
[21:25] < tsa> so i was on win2k, via dial-in ssh to linux-box, then telnet to aix box.
[21:25] < tsa> no way for any kind of gfx interface, i guess.
[21:26] < [anders]> there is also ftp://aixpdslib.seas.ucla.edu/ for pre-compiled and source packages for AIX..
[21:26] < tsa> good to know some people around here have aix experience..
[21:27] < tsa> what about a c compiler - i've heard it's commercial?
[21:27] < [anders]> tsa: did the ASA/ASP certification on AIX 4.1 in -96.. ;-)
[21:27] < [anders]> tsa: correct, if you want IBM's C compiler.. GCC is still free..
[21:27] < tsa> (i have to compile a new sendmail version for the aix machines soon..)
[21:27] < tsa> i see...
[21:27] < SMP> hehe
[21:28] < SMP> I once ran a 'root my aix box' contest
[21:28] < tsa> guess i'll hate aix afterwards..we'll see...
[21:28] < [anders]> tsa: https://www.bull.de/   <--- Download installp installable software for AIX...
[21:29] < [anders]> SMP: lemme guess, it didn't get rooted.. ;-)
[21:29] < SMP> [anders]: *ROTFL*
[21:29] < [anders]> SMP: what version? 4.2.1?
[21:30] < huebi> [anders]: Yes, it was swiched off...
[21:30] < tsa> hm...i guess they don't have a precompiled sendmail with sasl support, right? ;-)
[21:30] < SMP> not sure. could have been 4.1.2.1 (does that exist?)
[21:31] < SMP> about half of all binaries are setuid-root on that beast
[21:31] < [anders]> SMP: 4.1.2 ML-1 perhaps.. it did exist a 4.1.2
[21:31] < SMP> sheesh..
[21:32] < [anders]> tsa: not sure, take a look.. :)
[21:32] < SMP> the hardest thing to do was to compile an exploit to an executable
[21:32] < SMP> headers missing and stuff
[21:33] < [anders]> da.. AIX is not good starting point for software development unless you have good admins..
[21:34] < SMP> anyway, it was rooted multiple times during the contest
[21:34] < tsa> customer's admins are pretty stupid, in this case.
[21:34] < SMP> fastest was like 17 minutes from first login to root
[21:34] < tsa> nice.
[21:35] < SMP> but only because of the missing headers etc.
[21:36] < [anders]> SMP: erk.. that is not good.. but if it was 4.1 something it will be worse than for example 4.3.. 3.2.5 ML6 was really stable.. and 4.3.3.V is really stable as well. Not sure about hacker resistant though..
[21:36] < SMP> oh, AIX is really nice and stable
[21:36] < SMP> just don't hook it up to the Internet ;>
[21:37] < [anders]> *LOL*
[21:37] < SMP> no, seriously
[21:37] < [anders]> SMP: there are hardening kits you can apply which will sort out most of the problems..
[21:37] < [anders]> SMP: what do you think the IBM webservers are running? BeOS?
[21:38] < SMP> AIX had a bug where it dropped all TCP sessions to a host from for which it received an ICMP host-unreach
[21:38] < SMP> too bad AIX coders never heard of spoofing
[21:39] < [anders]> www.ibm.com is guarranteed to run AIX, patched to high hell and security hardened.. Not a nice combination and probably awful to use, but it works.. (Personally I'd prefer Linux and Apache, but there you go.. ;-)
[21:39] < SMP> . o O ( I'm secuuuuuure -  by deeeeeefault )
[21:40] < [anders]> OpenBSD 3.0 release song...
[21:40] < SMP> yes!
[21:40] < SMP> :)
[21:40] < [anders]> .oO( fatty lumpah on your head, penguin lurking under bed... )
[21:40] < SMP> not quite ;>
[21:40] < [anders]> no, but in the region of.. ;-)
[21:40] < [anders]> 3.1 release song..
[21:40] < SMP> 'puffy humpah'
[21:41] < [anders]> hehehehehe
[21:41] < SMP> 'Puffy' is the name of the blowfish
[21:41] < [anders]> fatty lumpa is a horse in LotR... :-D))
[21:41] < SMP> hehehe
[21:41] < [anders]> I got them mixed up.. *GGG*
[21:41] < SMP> *g*
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[21:44] < [anders]> in any case.. it is bedtime for me..
[21:44]   [anders] <-- knackered..
[21:44] < SMP> good night, anders
[21:45] < [anders]> and I am thinking about the ext's that failed as well..
[21:45] < huebi> sleep well [anders]
[21:45] < [anders]> SMP: good night you too.. :)
[21:45] < [anders]> huebi: and you.. :)
[21:50] < tsa> cu [anders]
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[21:52] < fake> wwwaaaaaargh
[21:53] < fake> fsck iPlanet DS
[21:53] < fake> fsck fsck fsck!
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[21:53] < fake> if i get Out of Memory errors from windows - i have to _in_crease the cache
[21:53] < fake> >_<
[21:55] < Mike1> AAARRRRGGGG!!!
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[21:55] < fake> CR just got nuked.
[21:55] < tsa> hahaha
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[21:58] < thalerim> moin
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[22:20] < thalerim> moin WKaibigan
[22:21] < WKaibigan> Hi there thalerim
[22:22] < thalerim> WKaibigan: it seems as if the others are currently sleeping ...
[22:22]   fake throws E_NODRUGS
[22:22] < WKaibigan> Does seem rather quiet
[22:22] < thalerim> hehe ... fake has risen from the death
[22:23] < fake> not quite.
[22:23] < fake> i'd never rise if i were dead....
[22:23] < thalerim> fake: *g* you're not ALMOST god like me... so it's quite understandable :-)
[22:24] < fake> it's not about i couldn't, though.
[22:25] < fake> even if i had the choice i'd choose no for sure.
[22:27] < thalerim> mh
[22:29] < fake> https://www.live365.com/play/212608?membername=&session=madrego%3A0&pid=&SaneID=195.14.229.41-1026433615564&lid=-1-deu
[22:30] < thalerim> i am listening to music at the moment ... what is that?
[22:30] < fake> thalerim: goth radio
[22:30] < tsa> ah..vnv nation.
[22:30] < fake> j0.
[22:31] < thalerim> huh winamp is trying to download it? 400mb ?!
[22:31] < tsa> haha
[22:31] < fake> winamp *lol*
[22:31] < thalerim> s,winamp,mozilla
[22:31] < fake> 400 kb buffer, maybe
[22:31] < fake> ah no, say open, not save ;)
[22:31] < thalerim> i did
[22:32] < thalerim> ah now it works
[22:32] < thalerim> mh ... not that good at the momemt
[22:33] < fake> j0.
[22:33] < fake> usually there's better stuff.
[22:33] < fake> not all that techno-like.
[22:33] < thalerim> techno suckt derbe!
[22:33] < fake> ACK.
[22:33] < thalerim> are these songs selfmade?
[22:33] < fake> nope
[22:34] < thalerim> i mean, are they made by non-business groups
[22:34] < fake> no
[22:35] < thalerim> *urgs*
[22:36] < fake> ah!
[22:36] < fake> better music now ;-)
[22:36] < tsa> besser!
[22:36] < tsa> jajaja!
[22:36] < fake> rulez
[22:36] < fake> boy this _so_ _lousy_
[22:36] < fake> under linux the ldapmodify -a finishes in 15 mins
[22:37] < fake> and uses say 300 MB RAM
[22:37] < thalerim> but it isn't good at all, still too much techno
[22:37] < fake> THIS IS NOT TECHNO!
[22:37] < thalerim> i can't hear only one guitar
[22:37] < fake> under windows it takes _2 hours_ and uses over 1 GB of RAM
[22:38] < fake> thalerim: so if there's a guitar in it it's no techno?
[22:38] < thalerim> fake: mostly yes
[22:38] < fake> thalerim: na, c'mon, EBM is great
[22:38] < fake> don't you like Depeche Mode ?
[22:38] < thalerim> is that ebm?
[22:39] < tsa> yes.
[22:39] < tsa> the more evil part of it.
[22:39] < fake> yes! 3v1l 3B|\/|
[22:40] < fake> aaah! unbelieveable!
[22:40] < fake> it finished!
[22:40] < tsa> hehe
[22:40] < thalerim> for it's techno like
[22:40] < fake> and only userd up 1047912 kb of RAM.
[22:42] < fake> soylent gruen ist ein produkt aus menschenfleisch...
[22:43] < tsa> nice movie, btw..
[22:43] < fake> <-- has it on 2 SVCDs
[22:44] < tsa> hehe
[23:01] < fake> aaaaahaaaa we fade to gray
[23:01]   tsa giving fake some paint.
[23:01] < fake> tsa: i only need black
[23:05] < thalerim> das hört sich an wie DEine Lakeien
[23:06] < thalerim> ich komm aber net auf den titelnamen
[23:06] < fake> bingo
[23:06] < thalerim> Deine Lakeien rult
[23:06] < fake> nicht alles...
[23:06] < thalerim> das ist bei jeder gruppe so
[23:06] < fake> das is auf jeden fall von der Kasmodiah
[23:06] < thalerim> oder bei fast jeder ;)
[23:06] < fake> oder wie die heisst
[23:06] < thalerim> das ist ein remix
[23:06] < fake> stimmt
[23:26] < fake> das lied is geil
[23:26] < thalerim> sorry, schau jetzt harald
[23:26] < fake> :(
[23:26] < thalerim> harald rult
[23:26] < fake> j0.
[23:26] < thalerim> schalt auch ein ;)
[23:26] < fake> thalerim: no TV.
[23:27] < thalerim> :-(
[23:27] < fake> (and still in the office)
[23:27] < thalerim> urgs
[23:27] < chrisime> jo kids
[23:28] < fake> Waa!  Kids? Where?
[23:28] < fake> *jumps backwards*
[23:30] < tsa> hehe
[23:30] < tsa> hm..
[23:30] < chrisime> muuu
[23:30] < tsa> auf zdf laeuft grad ne reportage ueber die boese schwarze szene..
[23:30] < tsa> is lustich.
[23:30] < tsa> hi chrisime
[23:30] < tsa> *gaehn*
[23:30] < chrisime> jo!
[23:30] < fake> stream mal
[23:31] < tsa> hehe
[23:31] < tsa> nix stream-geraet in reichweite.
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[23:31] < holyolli> moin
[23:31] < thalerim> chrisime: Ich warte immer noch auf eine Antwort wegen der asm quellen :-/
[23:31] < fake> tsa: no bttv?
[23:31] < tsa> fake: nope. echte altmodische glotze..
[23:31] < fake> wie analog!
[23:31] < tsa> hehe
[23:31] < chrisime> thalerim: hab dir geschriebn
[23:32] < chrisime> thalerim: quelle ist unter home.in.tum.de/~meyerc/tgi/files/calc.asm
[23:32] < chrisime> thalerim: quelle ist unter home.in.tum.de/~meyerc/tgi/files/read.c
[23:32] < chrisime> thalerim: quelle ist unter home.in.tum.de/~meyerc/tgi/files/ui.txt
[23:32] < thalerim> chrisime: eeh falsch ausgedrückt ,ich meine nicht dich, sondern die messwerte von dem bekannten
[23:32] < chrisime> achso
[23:32] < chrisime> das prg hab ich nochmals verbessert
[23:33] < chrisime> der c compiler macht aber  33% schnelleren code
[23:33] < chrisime> egal was ich mach
[23:33] < chrisime> home.in.tum.de/~meyerc/tgi/files/calc.s
[23:33] < chrisime> das ist calc.c in asm
[23:33] < chrisime> home.in.tum.de/~meyerc/tgi/files/calc.c
[23:33] < thalerim> mom
[23:33] < chrisime> anderskrass wie die crackcompiler heute optimieren
[23:33] < chrisime> das nimmer feierlich
[23:33] < chrisime> asm schreiben kannst heut vergessen
[23:34] < chrisime> weil das jeder compiler besser macht
[23:34] < thalerim> ja ich weiß
[23:34] < chrisime> das ist depremierend
[23:34] < chrisime> eine woche hab ich optimiert
[23:35] < chrisime> aber immerhin ist er nun 12 mal schneller wie am anfang
[23:36] < thalerim> chrisime: bei dem read.c ... da hat eine if nicht ganz gestimmt ... und den memset teil häätest dir sparen können, indem du calloc() anstatt malloc() benutzt - hab nur mal kurz drüber gesehen
[23:37] < chrisime> das c prg ist vorgegeben
[23:37] < thalerim> eh kein memset
[23:37] < chrisime> und von mir abgeaendert
[23:37] < thalerim> du hattest das mit ner schleife gemacht
[23:37] < thalerim> (oder der eigentliche author)
[23:38] < chrisime> das C ?
[23:38] < thalerim> ? in der read.c datei
[23:39] < chrisime> die schleife is net von mir
[23:39] < chrisime> die schleife die die datei zeile fuer zeile einliest meinst
[23:39] < thalerim> zeile 80
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[23:42] < chrisime> hm?
[23:42] < chrisime> in read.c?
[23:42] < thalerim> zeile 79: /* Alle Resultatwerte auf Null setzen */
[23:42] < chrisime> for (x = 0; x < werteanzahl; x++) {
[23:42] < chrisime>         results1[x] = 0.0;
[23:42] < chrisime>         results2[x] = 0.0;
[23:42] < chrisime>     }
[23:42] < chrisime> das ?
[23:42] < thalerim> das ja
[23:42] < chrisime> naja, warum net ;-)
[23:42] < thalerim> das kann man auch erreichen, indem man das malloc durch ein callo ersetzt
[23:43] < thalerim> weil calloc gleich auf null initializiert
[23:43] < chrisime> ajo, richtig
[23:43] < thalerim> und zeile 88:  if (count > werteanzahl) {
[23:43] < chrisime> naja, wollt deren code net zu viel veraendern
[23:43] < thalerim> das müsste >=
[23:43] < thalerim> +heißen
[23:43] < chrisime> sonst checken die nix mehr
[23:44] < thalerim> sonst gibst nen BO wenn die ut.txt mehr als 100zeilen erhält
[23:44] < chrisime> sec
[23:44] < chrisime> wassn bo
[23:45] < chrisime> imho reicht doch >
[23:45] < thalerim> ja?
[23:46] < thalerim> data1 und data2 haben hundert entries
[23:46] < chrisime> wenns = ist macht ja nix
[23:46] < chrisime> jupp
[23:46] < thalerim> und wenn count 100 ist, ist count > wertzahl == 1 !!!
[23:46] < thalerim> das heißt es würde auf data1[100] zugriffen werden
[23:46] < thalerim> oder bin ich jetzt ganz meschugge?
[23:47] < thalerim> und wenn count 100 ist, ist count > wertzahl == 0 !!!
[23:47] < chrisime> lass ihn doch auf 100 zugreifen
[23:47] < chrisime> hm
[23:47] < chrisime> sec
[23:47] < thalerim> aber man kann nur max bis 99 zugreifen
[23:47] < thalerim> 0-99
[23:47] < chrisime> sec
[23:48] < thalerim> füg einfach noch ne zeile zu ut.txt
[23:48] < thalerim> dann dürfte es einen geben
[23:48] < thalerim> wenn nicht, liege ich falsch
[23:49] < chrisime> naha
[23:49] < chrisime> tut nix
[23:49] < chrisime> s/naha/naja
[23:49] < thalerim> dann add mal 2 oder 3
[23:49] < chrisime> hatte mal ne sicherung eingebaut wenns mehr als 100 zeilen sind
[23:49] < chrisime> thalerim: dann wirds abgefangen
[23:50] < chrisime> und er gibt pufferueberlauf aus
[23:50] < chrisime> thalerim: ich kann dir mal was raufladen
[23:50] < thalerim> hm
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[23:50] < chrisime> ist ein kleines phenomen
[23:50] < thalerim> *g* mom, mal schauen wo mein gedankengang hinkt
[23:51] < chrisime> read.mod.c
[23:51] < chrisime> compilieren
[23:52] < chrisime> dann ./prgname 1000000 eingeben
[23:52] < thalerim> ich sitz hier vor windows
[23:52] < chrisime> komischerweise spuckt das ding dann nimmer richtige werte aus
[23:52] < chrisime> autsch
[23:52] < chrisime> ich hab null plan woran das liegt
[23:52] < thalerim> wenn du genau 101 zeilen in ut.txt hast
[23:52] < thalerim> was passiert?
[23:53] < chrisime> ueberlauf
[23:53] < thalerim> wenn es falsche daten auspruckt, dann ist es ein bufferoverflow
[23:53] < chrisime> und er sagt puffer blabla
[23:53] < thalerim> bei 101 ?
[23:53] < chrisime> 100
[23:53] < thalerim> hä
[23:53] < SMP> ihr seit hoffnungslos offtopic und ich moechte euch bitten, das woanders fortzusetzen. es sei denn andere lurken das hier mit..
[23:53] < SMP> (dann moegen sie aufzeigen)
[23:53] < thalerim> SMP: die schlafen doch alle
[23:53] < tsa> hehe
[23:54] < chrisime> Einlesen von Zeile 100: 100.0001 s 21.07608 m
[23:54] < chrisime> ...zu viele Zeilen gelesen. Pufferueberlauf!
[23:54] < tsa> *meld* *meld*
[23:54] < thalerim> danke tsa
[23:54]   fake schlaeft nicht
[23:54] < tsa> thalerim: keine ursache...vielleicht lern ich ja was dazu ;)
[23:54] < chrisime> thalerim: das prg bricht schon konkret ab
[23:54] < chrisime> basst scho alles
[23:54]   SMP testet mal sei /ignore
[23:55] < chrisime> hmpf
[23:55] < chrisime> sorry dude
[23:55] < fake> cool, jetzt kann ich endlich ueber SMP laestern!
[23:55] < fake> ;-)
[23:55] < chrisime> lol
[23:55] < Ge0rG> hehe
[23:55] < chrisime> thalerim: #testchanne;
[23:55] < chrisime> thalerim: #testchannel
[23:56] < thalerim> wieso denn ?
[23:56] < thalerim> ich seh das nicht ein woanders hinzugehen
[23:56] < chrisime> weil das net passt
[23:56] < thalerim> wenn hier sowieso niemand wassagt
[23:56] < SMP> das kannst du. aber ich werde es sehen ;)
[23:56] < chrisime> thalerim: sei kein frosch
[23:56] < thalerim> na dann lieber gleich query
[23:56] < thalerim> trotzdem existiert ekin grund
[23:56] < fake> hm... wie ignored man?
[23:56] < fake> <--- IRC-Lamer
[23:56] < SMP> /help ignore
[23:56] < fake> -:- Usage: /IGNORE  No Help available Yet
[23:57] < thalerim> das ist doch auch off topic, warum regelt ihr das nicht sonstwo?
[23:57] < SMP> 'toll' *g*
[23:57] < fake> danke SMP, bin ich noch gar nicht draufgekommen ;-P
[23:57] < chrisime> results1[98]: nan m/s results2[98]: nan m/s
[23:57] < SMP> z.B.
[23:57] < chrisime> not a number
[23:57] < SMP> /ignore chrisime PUBLIC
[23:57] < SMP> /ignore thalerim PUBLIC
[23:57] < chrisime> hmpf
[23:57] < chrisime> SMP: schon ok
[23:57] < fake> -:- Ignoring PUBLIC from fake!*@*
[23:57] < fake> geht gar nich.
[23:57] < chrisime> thalerim will net woanders hin
[23:57] < thalerim> ich hab query offen
[23:57] < SMP> und wie man das wieder loescht, erklaer ich dann morgen *g*
[23:57] < chrisime> seh nix
[23:58] < fake> ich seh mich aber immer noch posten *schmoll*
[23:58] < tsa> fake: kannst ja alles per /msg an SMP copy&pasten ;-)
[23:58] < SMP> fake: /leave fake
[23:58] < thalerim> tsa: willst du weiter mitlesen?
[23:59] < tsa> thalerim: hm...keine ahnung, macht was ihr wollt..
[23:59] < fake> -:- Ignoring ALL messages from fake!*@*
[23:59] < fake> hee!
[23:59] < fake> das GEHT nich!
[23:59] < tsa> hab sowieso grad anderweitig zu tun..
[23:59] < chrisime> tsa: weiterhin interessiert an asm oder nict?
[23:59] < tsa> jaja, macht mal ruhig.
[23:59] < chrisime> ok
-!- Irrsi  Log closed Wed Jul 17 00:00:22 2002