--- Log opened Sun Jul 21 00:00:48 2002
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00:24 < d3mian> cu later
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00:40 < fake> hm...
00:40 < fake> i think i can risk it now
00:40 * -> esden  home
00:41 * fake having a final cigarette before it gets hairy
00:41 < fake> cya esden!
00:55 < fake> don't tell anyone i'm free...
00:55 < fake> *sing*
00:56 < fake> OpenBSD may be your family's only line of defense...
00:57 < esden> re hi
00:58 < fake> re esden
00:58 < owl> moin again, esden
01:00 < esden> humm humm ... gcc3 is not compiling with gcc3 ... funny
01:00 < fake> esden: it won't compile under gcc2 on a p4 either... i don't get it, too.
01:01 < fake> and now i'll get that P166MMX up to the 5th floor, get a mug of 16x-Espresso
01:01 < fake> and set the system "live" ;-)
01:01 < esden> I am asking myself what the guys at gcc are doing all the time ... o_O
01:02 < esden> fake what are you setting up ? openBSD?
01:02 < fake> no... i'd like to though
01:02 < fake> but i haven't enough knowledge of OpenBSD to set it up as our main router/firewall at work
01:02 < esden> hmm ... ok is an argument
01:02 < fake> i want to try that at home first
01:02 < esden> but knowlidge is aquirable
01:03 < esden> yes sure good idea
01:03 < fake> anyways - i'll go upstairs. back in ~10 mins.
01:03 < esden> waiting for you here
01:10 < netcrow> reee
01:10 < owl> re netcrow
01:13 < esden> re netti
01:14 -!- Mike1 [~mike@odin.informatica.co.cr] has joined #rocklinux
01:14 < Mike1> Hi
01:14 < owl> hi Mike1
01:14 < Mike1> Hi owl
01:15 < esden> hi Mike1 my friend
01:15 < Mike1> esden: hi !! :)
01:15 < esden> how are you ?
01:15 < Mike1> i am very good thanks
01:15 < Mike1> how about you?
01:15 < esden> I am very fine too thanks
01:15 < Mike1> i jut got back from uni i had to make 2 final exams today
01:16 < Mike1> damn i am very glad i finished :)
01:16 < esden> I had my info exam today
01:16 < esden> and how is your feeling about them ?
01:16 < Mike1> esden i'm sure i passed them
01:17 < esden> Mike1: congratulations
01:17 < Mike1> though it took about 3 hours to finish each one 
01:17 < Mike1> and i was the first one to finish so i can tell it was hard
01:17 < esden> 6 hours exams on one day
01:17 < esden> urgh
01:17 < esden> poor boy
01:17 < Mike1> yeah but hey i am finished now
01:17 < Mike1> :))
01:17 < esden> good
01:18 < esden> no more exams ?
01:18 < Mike1> which i now have plenty of time for 1 month
01:18 < Mike1> yup no more exams or clases untill september
01:19 < esden> lucky boy ... I still have one exam on monday >_<
01:19 < Mike1> yeah well but then you are finished too :)
01:19 < esden> yes that is right
01:19 < Mike1> and you will finally get locked for 3 weeks to hack on the alpha port
01:19 < th> esden: willkommen im club.
01:19 < Mike1> *grin*
01:20 < Mike1> hey th :))
01:20 < esden> Mike1: hehe ;-) 
01:20 < th> hi miguel
01:20 < Mike1> or even come over to CR :)
01:20 < esden> I will work the next week on alpha ... I hope I can finish it there
01:20 < Mike1> cool
01:21 < esden> then I am one week at clifford's and than we will code the dietlibc and installdisk stuff
01:21 < esden> for 1.7
01:21 < Mike1> great!!!
01:21 < Mike1> damn i wish i could join you guys over there
01:21 < esden> yes we would appreciate it 
01:22 < esden> nobody beside you could theoretically join
01:22 < Mike1> how do you mean?
01:22 < esden> all others are in work ... and can not join
01:22 < Mike1> esden so am i :(( thats i cant join
01:22 < Mike1> +why
01:22 < Mike1> :(((
01:22 < esden> ohh ... ok ...
01:23 < esden> :-(((
01:23 < Mike1> perhaps 19c3 will be a different story
01:23 < Mike1> :)
01:23 < esden> I have to organize it next time more early
01:23 < Mike1> yes esden definitly
01:24 < esden> but I was not sure about if I can go over to him till last week
01:24 < esden> >_<
01:24 < Mike1> hehe yeah i know
01:24 < netcrow> <- schenkt sich ein glas rotwein ein
01:24 < Mike1> but more planning will be required for next time so others can also join
01:25 < esden> netcrow <-- hardcore drinker
01:25 < esden> Mike1: sure
01:26 < esden> Mike1: but someone has to start ;-)
01:26 < Mike1> hehe
01:26 < Mike1> esden yes of course, i am looking forward to see your progress after that hardcoding weekend :)
01:26 < esden> this time I am probably the only one ... next time it will increase 
01:27 < Mike1> indeed
01:41 < fake> hm...
01:42 < esden> fake: ?
01:42 < esden> and does it work
01:42 < Mike1> hello fake
01:42 < esden> what does your employer say to the trip to clifford ?
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01:53 < Mike1> hi WKaibigan
01:54 < WKaibigan> Good evening
01:54 < esden> hi WKaibigan 
01:54 < WKaibigan> Hi.
02:04 < fake> shit.
02:05 * fake fighting with dying FORWARD packets that should be DNATted
02:05 < Mike1> fake: need help?
02:06 < fake> Mike1: i'd appreciate it. do you know iptables/PREROUTUNG/POSTROUTING/DNAT stuff?
02:06 < Mike1> yes i do know
02:07 < Mike1> tell me what do you want / need to do?
02:07 < fake> Mike1: i have an internal box, 172.16.0.2
02:07 < fake> which should receive SMTP 
02:07 < Mike1> ja
02:07 < fake> so i do DNAT from my gatewaybox to 172.16.0.2
02:08 < fake> port 25
02:08 < Mike1> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 25 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.2:25
02:08 < fake> but then the packet gets dropped in the FORWARD chain
02:08 < fake> Mike1: that :25 at the end is overkill ;P
02:09 < Mike1> its usefull when you do something like:
02:09 < Mike1> iptables -A PREROUTING -t nat -p tcp -i eth0 --dport 1525 -j DNAT --to 172.16.0.2:25
02:09 < fake> i know, but in this case the portnumbers match.
02:09 < Mike1> yeah i know
02:09 < Mike1> anyways you sure have loaded full NAT in netfilter right?
02:09 < fake> Mike1: yes.
02:10 < fake> the problem is:
02:10 < Mike1> yes?
02:10 < fake> now, if i recieve a packet to port 25, i get a LOG entry
02:10 < fake> that th packet from <outsider_ip> to 172.16.0.2:25 has been dropped
02:10 < fake> which is perfectly right.
02:10 < fake> do i have to let those packets through?
02:11 < fake> and how will i distinguish between DNATed pkgs and spoofed pkgs?
02:11 < fake> (dropped in the FORWARD chain, btw.)
02:12 < Mike1> have a look at /proc/net/ip_conntrack
02:13 < Mike1> actually /proc/net/*
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02:15 < Mike1> fake: thought with that simple rule a gave you it must work >_<
02:15 < Mike1> i have all kind of packet forward here and its works just fine for me
02:16 < fake> Mike1: hm... moment
02:16 < Mike1> k
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02:20 < the][owl> re
02:20 < Freak> the][owl..
02:20 < Freak> hmhm..
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02:20 < esden> re the][owl 
02:21 < the][owl> mann, dieses sch... ding namens eumex! das nervt mich heute schon den ganzen tag... bzw. gestern :-/ 
02:22 < Freak> und besorch dir endlich mal ne software, die dir routing unter windows ermöglicht
02:22 < the][owl> warum denn? 
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02:23 < Freak> achso, verstehe, du willst gar nicht wirklich von windows weg :)
02:24 < owl> tja. ich muss mich auch abends in die firma connecten können... mind. dazu brauche ich nun mal termial service client + die software für die firewall + ...
02:24 < Freak> hmhm.. jaja.. usw. :)
02:24 < Freak> ich geh spielen. byebye
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02:25 < Mike1> re owl
02:25 < Mike1> fake: ??
02:30 < fake> hm...
02:30 < fake> still no-go
02:30 < Mike1> its not forwarding?
02:31 < fake> nope
02:31 < Mike1> do something stupid: iptables -A POSTROUTING -t nat -j MASQUERADE
02:32 < Mike1> and tell me what happens
02:32 < Mike1> oh and also 'echo 1 > /proc/sys/net/ipv4/ip_forward'
02:35 < Mike1> fake now?
02:35 < fake> Mike1: i use -j MASQUERADE for the internal net
02:35 < fake> and i use sysctl to set ip_forward
02:35 < Mike1> mm...
02:36 < Mike1> did you try to forward everything to that station ?
02:36 < fake> Mike1: the DNAT works!
02:36 < fake> but... 
02:36 < Mike1> but?
02:36 < fake> hm :-/
02:37 < fake> DNAT translates the address to 172.16.0.2:25 and puts the packet into the FORWARD chain
02:37 < fake> as it is a PREROUTING rule
02:37 < fake> but it gets denied in the FORWARD chain...
02:38 < Mike1> fake try s/-A/-I
02:38 < fake> okay
02:39 < Mike1> or perhaps try also: iptables -I INPUT -i eth0 -p tcp --dport 28 -j ACCEPT
02:39 < Mike1> and you probable will need:
02:40 < Mike1> iptables -A INPUT -m state --style ESTABLISHED,RELATED -j ACCEPT
02:41 < fake> Mike1: i have the latter one.
02:42 < fake> Mike1: its NEVER in the INPUT Chain
02:42 < fake> the PREROUTING directive moves it directly to FORWARD
02:46 < Mike1> mmm...
02:47 < fake> ah.
02:47 < Mike1> you have any non-NAT rules in ur firewall
02:47 < Mike1> ?
02:47 < fake> i've got it.
02:47 < Mike1> ?
02:47 < fake> Mike1: of course i have - i have a DMZ ;-)
02:47 < Mike1> fake: hehe
02:47 < fake> i forgot -p tcp so --dport didn't work
02:48 < Mike1> fake: hehe very little detail ;)
02:48 < fake> sure... ha! i feel great.
02:49 * Mike1 glad its finally worked :)
02:49 < Mike1> -s
02:52 < fake> hm... now... let's see whats missing.
02:55 * fake getting another cup of espresso XD
03:02 < Mike1> fake enjoy
03:02 < Mike1> fake so it is still not going through?
03:04 < fake> Mike1: yes, it is.
03:05 < fake> but i have to think about things i might forget to set up.
03:05 < fake> (it's 3:05am)
03:05 < fake> ( i tend to forget important things at 3:05am )
03:06 < owl> *g* who doesn't forget important things at 03:05 a.m.? ;)
03:06 < Mike1> ok tell me if i can help with anything i'll be around for a while more
03:07 < esden> ok ... so i will go to bed my friends
03:07 < owl> gn8 esden. 
03:07 < WKaibigan> Goodnight esden.
03:07 < fake> esden: sleep well!
03:07 * -> esden needs energy for church tomorrow ;-)
03:07 < fake> church o_O ?
03:07 < esden> cu then
03:07 < esden> fake: yes church
03:07 < fake> satanic church?
03:07 < fake> *dg*
03:08 < esden> hehe ... no christian church
03:08 < fake> do you have to go there for a special reason?
03:08 < fake> funeral/wedding/whatever ?
03:08 < Mike1> fake: i hope i did actually help up a bit
03:08 < fake> Mike1: of course!
03:08 < esden> fake: i go there to pray for better life nothing else
03:09 < fake> esden: oh... does it work?
03:09 < esden> fake: no idea ... but I want to try ... when I know an answer I will tell you fake
03:09 < Mike1> fake esden of course it work
03:10 < WKaibigan> If it involves a woman then don't bother praying. It won't work.
03:10 < Mike1> WKaibigan: lol
03:10 < WKaibigan> Sorry owl ;-)
03:10 < fake> WKaibigan: except if you never had sex before and want to marry that woman ;-)
03:10 < owl> :PPP
03:10 < esden> WKaibigan: it involves not only woman
03:10 < esden> but for now
03:11 < esden> n8
03:11 < fake> n8!
03:11 < Mike1> n8
03:11 < owl> cu esden
03:11 < fake> port 3666 is BO IIRC?
03:12 < Mike1> 3666 und 3667
03:12 < fake> ah, now.
03:12 < fake> it's that script kiddie that wants to reach our now-vaporized IIS ;))
03:15 < Mike1> fake you mean nimda?
03:16 < Mike1> fake its always fun to create and remove files / dirs from IIS webservers infected with nimda 
03:16 < fake> Mike1: not sure. it started a nasty portscan. i simply unplugged the power cord ;-)
03:17 < Mike1> fake oh ok then its not nimda
03:17 < Mike1> fake why dont you install scanlogd or something?
03:17 < Mike1> or perhaps give back the favor ;)
03:18 < fake> Mike1: i am not interested in script kiddies...
03:19 < fake> that kind Counter-Intelligence is stupid...
03:21 < Mike1> fake: who talked about using script kiddies?
03:21 < Mike1> *g
03:23 < fake> i could install snort...
03:24 < Mike1> fake: yeah
03:26 < fake> hm...
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03:26 < fake> now i have to deal with the _really_ ugly part
03:27 < fake> the hardware part >_<
03:27 < Mike1> how do you mean?
03:27 < fake> i have to replace the harddisk in the old router with the harddisk of the new one
03:27 < fake> thus, as we are too poor to buy 19" Racks
03:28 < fake> i have to move a 24-port-switch, a patch-panel and 2 19" cases
03:28 < fake> without unwiring anything
03:28 < fake> *argh*
03:28 < fake> we used to do it as team-work...
03:30 < fake> will a pentium mmx kernel run on and AMD-K6 ?
03:31 < Mike1> fake: yes it will run
03:31 < fake> Mike1: good. 
03:31 < Mike1> fake: btw sounds like you will have fun moving stuff 
03:31 < Mike1> hehe
03:34 < fake> :P
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03:36 < Mike1> re owl
03:36 < owl> re
03:36 < Mike1> thought you were in bed already
03:37 < owl> the day begins like it ended... windows + eumex (+ harddisk) hates me :-/
03:37 < owl> no, not yet. 
03:37 < fake> ha.
03:37 < fake> i've got it.
03:37 < Mike1> owl: hehe.
03:37 < Mike1> fake: ?
03:38 < owl> Mike1: don't laugh, it's not funny... ;-)
03:38 < fake> Mike1: i found 2 pc cases of equal height and now shifted the 19" cases onto them.... etc etc ;-) 
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03:39 < Mike1> nice
03:40 < fake> *argh*
03:40 * Mike1 getting some coffee
03:40 < fake> now i have a _real_ problem
03:40 < fake> no screwdriver. in a server-room! NO SCREWDRIVER! 
03:40 < fake> *AAARGH* I HAT THIS COMPANY!
03:40 < fake> s,HAT,HATE,
03:42 < Mike1> damn that really sucks fake
03:46 < fake> no i have to wake up the ...
03:46 < fake> err...
03:46 < fake> the person that watches the house at night?
03:48 < fake> nah... he shouldn't be sleeping anyways
03:48 * fake getting screwdriver ...
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03:56 < fake> you got the screwdriver.
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03:56 < owl> hello again :´(
03:57 < Mike1> fake: got it?
03:57 < Mike1> owl: hi :)
04:00 < fake> okay. i have to shutdown the router once again now.
04:00 < fake> cu later (i hope)
04:02 < Mike1> yes i'll be here
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04:10 < SMP> owls flapping around late at night... ;)
04:11 < Mike1> hi SMP how are you ?
04:11 < owl> hehe ;) of course. usual weekend
04:12 < SMP> 4 o'clock.. back from $fun?
04:13 < Mike1> SMP: nice :)
04:13 < SMP> no, I wasn't away today
04:14 < SMP> I shifted my weekend. I feel like it's Sunday already
04:17 < owl> wuah! windows and eumex - both is going to kill me... and windows is very funny... wow! win2k server - never had more crashes like in this version :-/ (ok, XP is much _better_ :-/// ) damn! stupid telekom :-/
04:23 < SMP> I'll go to bed and sleep longer than I should ;-() cu
04:23 < Mike1> owl: https://www.atlas.uni-wuppertal.de/~harenber/old_eumex.html
04:23 < Mike1> n8 SMP
04:25 < owl> thx.
04:25 < owl> n8 smp
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04:27 < Mike1> owl: hope it can help you a bit
04:27 < Mike1> remember my german is very lame so i cant understand everything
04:28 < owl> hmm... i guess you can't - there is no official or working driver for my isdn device... (you know. my beloved eumex) :-/ 
04:36 < Mike1> yes i do
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04:40 < fake> FINISHED!
04:41 < fake> owl: there is.
04:41 < fake> i set it up myself once.
04:42 < Mike1> WB fake
04:44 * fake is completely caffeinated
04:45 * Mike1 too
04:47 < owl> fake: where?
04:47 < owl> i can just see these suse-stuff...
04:48 < owl> and you have to downgrade the kernel afaik...?
04:48 < fake> owl: so?
04:49 < fake> owl: set up one suse-minimal-box, say, a 486
04:49 < owl> suse - never.
04:49 < owl> i wanna use rock or *BSD
04:49 < Mike1> fake: why not just get it rocked?
04:49 < fake> windows is better than suse?
04:49 * Mike1 rotl
04:49 < fake> Mike1: i remember the kernel module only being availible binary for suse-boxen
04:50 < owl> :P
04:50 < Mike1> fake: mm... 
04:51 < owl> fake: isn't there a src-version available?
04:52 < fake> owl: the last time i checke, it wasn't.
04:52 < fake> checked, even.
04:52 < fake> but that was about 1, maybe 2 yrs ago.
04:52 < owl> thx. that's evil. :-/ stupid telekom. https://www.atlas.uni-wuppertal.de/~harenber/old_eumex.html  << no support for suse 7.3 and so on... that's evil, too
04:53 < Mike1> AARRRGGGHHHH!!!! damn i hate having visitors at home
04:54 < Mike1> my mom just called me telling that my uncle is staying in my room tonight so i should sleep in the sofa
04:54 < Mike1> and i was going to hack on rock 1.7
04:54 < Mike1> damn BASTARDS!!
04:54 * Mike1 pissed off
04:56 < owl> brb
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04:58 < fake> Mike1: relax...
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05:00 < Mike1> fake no i havent sleep well in 5 fucking days i had 6 hours of exam today, and had to come to the office to work, all i wanna do is get home, start a Build and get to sleep
05:01 < Mike1> on my bed!!
05:01 < Mike1> damn 
05:01 < Mike1> but you know what fsck that i am staying here ;)
05:01 < fake> Mike1: see... i don't even have a bed.
05:01 < fake> i sleep on a matress
05:01 < Mike1> fake: but you have your space
05:02 < Mike1> i need privacy on my space
05:02 < Mike1> >_<
05:03 < Mike1> fake: anyways firewall working properly now?
05:03 * Mike1 trying to relax
05:04 < fake> Mike1: it seems so.
05:04 < owl> fake: still in office?
05:05 < Mike1> owl: yes and i'm thinking very seriously on staying here all night
05:06 < Mike1> at least you guys wont get on my nerves or bother me
05:06 < Mike1> your cool people :)
05:06 < fake> owl: yes.
05:07 < owl> fake: will you stay in office the whole night && day?!"
05:07 < fake> Mike1: if saprouter now starts i'll be off in a few minutes anyways
05:07 < fake> owl: NACK.
05:07 < owl> fake: just night, eh? *g* 
05:08 < Mike1> fake: oh ok
05:09 < Mike1> anyways its 5am huebi will be here in an hour or 2
05:09 < fake> owl: i have been here since 15:00
05:10 < owl> omg! you're really crazy ;)
05:10 < fake> saprouter _seems_ to work.
05:10 < fake> anyways, i don't care.
05:10 < fake> i'll write the final mail now.
05:11 * fake going down into his buero again
05:12 < Mike1> owl you will sometime get used to stay hour on the computer even days and weeks :)
05:12 < owl> hehe ;) why not? 
05:15 < Mike1> :)
05:20 < owl> so. right now i will leave you. i'm almost dead. 
05:20 < owl> gn8. cu later
05:22 < Mike1> n8 owl
05:32 < fake> re.
05:32 < Mike1> re fake
05:32 < fake> hm... :-/
05:33 < Mike1> ?.
05:33 < fake> now i'm completely dead. i can't even click through Lotus Notes anymore.
05:33 < Mike1> haha
05:33 < Mike1> go get some sleep my friend
05:34 < fake> Mike1: 1 final mail - of course full of complaints, i learnt from scotty - and i'm off.
05:42 < Mike1> good
05:42 < Mike1> :)
05:42 < Mike1> fake: you will have to teach me sometime :)
05:42 < fake> Mike1: it is simple
05:43 < fake> if your boss wants you to do something, you _never_ say "Hey, that's easy! I'll be done in an hour"
05:43 < Mike1> :)
05:43 * Mike1 taking note
05:44 < fake> instead you have to shout "WHaaaaa??!?! That's IMPOSSIBLE! well.. almost. _I_ could do it... in... say.. 2 weeks.. if i'm lucky!!"
05:44 < Mike1> *g
05:44 < fake> then you do it in 1 hout and are your boss's best friend once again ;-))
05:44 < fake> Star Trek rulez.
05:44 < Mike1> hehe
05:53 < fake> oh shit
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06:03 < fake> what day is today?
06:03 < fake> # CHANGED 2002-07-21 by Thomas Jakobi - BRAINDAMAGED!!!!
06:03 < fake> *dg*
06:04 < Mike1> sunday july 21
06:04 < fake> i c
06:08 < fake> i messed up our mail system >_<
06:13 < fake> ...
06:14 < Mike1> oO?
06:15 < fake> damn it
06:15 < fake> that's the ONLY component i can't do anything about
06:15 < fake> and it reeeeally sucks
06:15 < Mike1> what the hell did you do?
06:15 < fake> we do a completely stupid thing
06:16 < fake> we accept mail on @humanIT.de (which is a postfix in the DMZ), relay it to the Gateway, which DNATs it to the internal machone
06:16 < fake> machine
06:17 < fake> the internal machine is running fscked Lotus Notes
06:17 < fake> mails get delivered correctly
06:17 < fake> but for some reason the internal machine doesn't accept some
06:17 < Mike1> what a god damn mess you got
06:17 < fake> ack.
06:17 < fake> *sigh*
06:17 < fake> okay then...
06:17 < fake> the first hole.
06:26 < fake> o_O
06:26 < fake> i... really... need .... sleeep....
06:27 < Mike1> so go
06:27 < Mike1> :)
06:29 < fake> if the mailsystem fails, i'm dead.
06:30 < fake> *PHEW*
06:30 < fake> it _seems_ to work now
06:33 < Mike1> great congratz
06:34 < fake> aaaah... *phew*
06:34 < fake> boy.
06:34 < Mike1> ;-)
06:34 < fake> Mike1: do you have a SMTP client handy?
06:36 < Mike1> pine
06:36 < Mike1> what can i do 4 you ?
06:36 < fake> Mike1: mail me! ;-)
06:38 < fake> *phew*
06:38 < fake> Danke!
06:38 < Mike1> bitte
06:49 * fake drives home now
06:49 < fake> cya later today...
06:50 < fake> _much_ kater ;-))
06:50 < fake> later
06:50 < fake> ah, whatever, bye!
06:51 < Mike1> n8
06:51 < blindcoder> morning everyone
06:52 < Mike1> moin blindcoder
07:20 < Mike1> n8 all
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07:26 < fake> re blindcoder 
07:29 < fake> and by
07:29 < fake> i try to sleep.
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11:31 < esden> morning @ all ...
11:31 * -> esden needs sleep
11:51 < esden> I want such a basement too !!!
11:52 < esden> https://www.openbsd.org/images/rack.jpg
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12:02 < owl> re
12:02 < esden> re
12:03 < esden> scheisse bin ich muede >_<
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12:58 < praenti> hi
12:58 < praenti> anybody know cheat o' matic?
12:59 < blindcoder> nope
13:00 < praenti> it is a tool which search a value in the memory, search again when the value has changed and search a third time and let you change the value there.
13:00 < praenti> perfect cheating utility but with the disadvantage windose
13:00 < praenti> :-(
13:00 < blindcoder> hmm
13:01 < blindcoder> I know such a utility for win...
13:01 < blindcoder> but it was called different
13:02 < praenti> i want to know how it is working. cause then i can write the same mechanism in C
13:02 < blindcoder> hmm
13:03 < blindcoder> it should be possible somehow to find out which memory adresses are used by which programs
13:03 < blindcoder> then you can search through these read-only
13:03 < blindcoder> and then change them...
13:03 < praenti> give me an algorithm
13:04 < blindcoder> hm...
13:04 < blindcoder> if you can come up with the  address-to-process-code i could do the search/change thingie
13:04 < blindcoder> or I can send you a mail (unsigned if you wish :) and display how it might work
13:05 < praenti> mach mal
13:05 < blindcoder> moment
13:08 < esden> hi blind ... hi brand
13:08 * blindcoder hates ASCII-Flowcharts >_< at least creating them >_<
13:08 < blindcoder> hi esden
13:09 < esden> praenti: kannst vorbeikommen wenn du den loetkolben haben willst ich bin daheim
13:09 < esden> oder morgen ich tue den loetkolben jetzt in meinen rucksack
13:10 < chrisime> esden: wie siehts mit hm2 aus? fit?
13:10 < esden> chrisime: ja bin am lernen noch
13:11 < chrisime> ich fahr jetzt dann mal zur uni
13:11 < chrisime> gestern hatte ich BS gelernt
13:11 < esden> wozu ?
13:11 < chrisime> heute is rest von mathe ugh!
13:11 < chrisime> zum lernen
13:11 < chrisime> ich lern meistens dort
13:11 < esden> ok viel spass
13:11 < chrisime> hm
13:11 < chrisime> werd ich wohl haben muessen
13:11 < esden> jups
13:12 < praenti> esden: komme gegen drei uhr vorbei
13:13 < esden> praenti: ok
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13:15 < owl> re
13:19 < snyke> hi owl
13:19 < blindcoder> praenti: ich hab was womit du zurechtkommen solltest, ich schicks dir an bingo-adresse
13:20 < blindcoder> oder bruachstes auch für mehrbyte suchvorgaenge?
13:20 < blindcoder> habs nur fuer ein-byte-werte
13:20 < snyke> blindcoder
13:20 < snyke> du wolltest mir ne mp3 schiggn
13:20 < snyke> oder?
13:21 < blindcoder> jo moment
13:22 < blindcoder> praenti?
13:25 < esden> ok ... mail to rock-doc-pr out
13:26 < blindcoder> praenti: okay, mail is draussen
13:27 * blindcoder failed again today to achive more than 20.000 points at nethack >_<
13:28 < esden> blindcoder: cheat ;-) hardwire a higher value in the code ;-)
13:28 < blindcoder> esden::P
13:28 < esden> blindcoder: you do not even need a cheatomatic for it ...
13:29 < blindcoder> esden: sure, but a cheatomatic is much more effective and globally usable
13:29 < blindcoder> ping praenti 
13:30 < blindcoder> I thought about writing one, but I couldn't figure out how to know which memory is allocated by which program >_<
13:30 < esden> and you are gaining time like this ... because you reach very fast the highest score possible and you can use the time you are spending to reach the highscore to do something productive ;-)
13:31 < blindcoder> esden: productive? I never wrote a single line of "productive" code :)
13:31 < esden> aha ... that is new to me ... bboard is being used productive
13:31 < esden> and when I am wrond you can change it ...
13:32 < blindcoder> hmm actually by about 4 people :)
13:32 < esden> instead of killing time with nethack you can write productive code
13:32 < blindcoder> gimme a challenge#
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13:33 < blindcoder> I don't want to do "bitzcenter" cause bingo won't be around for more than 2 or 3 years at best
13:33 < esden> write the the system I told you yesterday ... but if you do it ... do not sit down and spit it in some hours ... but do good planning ... and design it correctly and than write it
13:34 * kob is away: somking, and some coffee
13:34 < blindcoder> esden: I'mactually seriously thinking about starting it...
13:34 < esden> I am not speaking about bitzcenter ... I mean the rocklinux system
13:34 < blindcoder> sure thing
13:34 < blindcoder> me too
13:34 < blindcoder> ROCK Deployment System :)
13:35 < esden> blindcoder: good ... but as I said ... do not spit it in some hours ... plan it ... and denign it correctly like the softwarengeneerind requires it
13:35 < esden> s/softwarengeneerind/softwarengeneering/
13:36 < blindcoder> sure... well documented code, templatesystem for easy changing of design, good ER-Database
13:36 < blindcoder> support for different backend (MySQL/PostgreSQL/Oracle/Plain Text)
13:36 < blindcoder> Backup, Archive, yadda yadda
13:37 < esden> read what chris wrote 5 or 10 times ... draw it on paper ... and split the project in small parts
13:37 < blindcoder> hmm
13:37 < esden> and than extend chris paper
13:37 < blindcoder> before doing hat I have to clean my table
13:37 < esden> and than start to implement the parts
13:37 < blindcoder> and make my printer to a "schreibmaschine"
13:37 < blindcoder> typing on a console = immediate output on paper
13:38 < esden> blindcoder ... yes that is good ;-)
13:38 < blindcoder> if praenti should coma back to life, ask him if the mail i sent him helps
13:38 < blindcoder> s,coma,come,
13:38 < esden> kk
13:38 * blindcoder standing up, looking around what has to be cleaned
13:39 * blindcoder falls back into chair
13:39 < blindcoder> I need to get two or three "muellsaecke"
13:39 < blindcoder> brb
13:39 < blindcoder> oh, and some jolt
13:40 < praenti> pong blindcoder 
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13:44 < blindcoder> praenti: was the mail useful?
13:44 < praenti> i think so
13:44 < blindcoder> good
13:44 < esden> praenti: read rock-doc-pr ... blindcoder you too
13:44 < praenti> but let me try some things with the gdb
13:45 < blindcoder> praenti: nice to see that someone besides me understands my flowcharts :)
13:45 < blindcoder> esden: sounds good
13:46 < praenti> zumindest hat das zeug ne idee in mein hirn geschossen
13:46 < blindcoder> praenti: dann passts
13:46 < esden> the question is who will do it ;-) ... I was thinking about ripclaw
13:46 < blindcoder> esden: btw. I think i get sponsored by my parents for my new little toy
13:46 < esden> ohh cool 
13:47 < blindcoder> They said it the moment i told the it might cost something about 1.000 Euro
13:48 * -> esden eating heisseschokoladepulver
13:48 < blindcoder> why don't you pour it in some hot milk?
13:49 * -> esden <- lazy
13:49 < blindcoder> esden: I need a second "Netzteil" for my workstation >-<
13:49 < esden> huh ?
13:49 < blindcoder> well... you see... I have this 12V fan...
13:50 < blindcoder> it is currently attached to scavenger (which is idling) and cooling my harddisks
13:51 * praenti away
13:51 < esden> urgh ... 
13:51 < esden> cu praenti 
13:52 < blindcoder> wel, they tend to get really hot
13:52 < blindcoder> that's why I need two of these front-fans we used in eros
13:52 < esden> uhhm yes
13:52 < esden> I need some thermometers in my box
13:53 < blindcoder> esden: wire them together with some fans that automatically kick in if the temperature is rising and then activating a LED on the front indicating that they are running
13:54 < esden> blindcoder: good idea
13:54 < blindcoder> hehe
13:54 < blindcoder> sometimes I have some of them, yeah
13:55 * blindcoder was told by SIEMENS to give back any company property I still have..
13:55 < blindcoder> do you think that includes the laptop?
13:56 < esden> hmm ... no idea ... do not think so ;-)
13:56 < blindcoder> good, I hoped so :)
13:56 < blindcoder> that reminds me...
13:57 < blindcoder> I have to do some soldering on the powercable of my lappy
13:57 < esden> argh my cdburner is foll with dust >_<
13:57 < blindcoder> hehe, didn't use it often enough?
13:58 < blindcoder> shit >_<
13:59 < esden> no ... my fans are to strong... and they pull a lot of air through the cdburner
13:59 < blindcoder> I don't have ana adaptor for keybord DIN -to-PS2
13:59 * -> esden nither
13:59 < blindcoder> hmm
13:59 < blindcoder> console on parallel port
13:59 < blindcoder> nah, that's not it
14:00 < esden> take a nullmodem cable ... and minicom
14:00 < blindcoder> to my printer?
14:01 < esden> hehe
14:01 < esden> is your printer having a DIN port ?
14:02 < blindcoder> it only has those fat printer-ports that connect to a parallel port
14:02 < esden> blindcoder: you have to tell your terminal that stdout is /dev/lpt and stdin is your keyboard
14:03 < blindcoder> yes... how?
14:03 < esden> hmm
14:03 < blindcoder> aah
14:03 < blindcoder> /etc/inittab
14:03 < blindcoder> that should work
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14:05 < esden> blindcoder: hehe ... let your box boot using not the monitor for output but the printer
14:05 < esden> that would be cool
14:05 < blindcoder> yes, that's how I thought it to be done
14:05 < blindcoder> cause I need unbuffered redirection...
14:05 < th> moin
14:05 < blindcoder> hi th
14:07 < esden> google sux ... nothing usable
14:08 < esden> moin th 
14:08 < esden> th: do you have an idea how to get linux to boot so that it uses a needle printer for output ant not a display ?
14:09 < th> wow
14:09 < th> oehm
14:09 < th> seriel printer?
14:09 < blindcoder> parallel
14:09 < th> hmm
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14:10 < esden> hmm ... you can buy serial printers ... yes ... but I think that they are not easy to get
14:10 < esden> hi [anders] 
14:10 < [anders]> re esden 
14:10 < [anders]> *yawn*
14:10 < th> i think kernel must be in a stage where lpt is availble
14:11 < th> after that it should be not as hard to output to lpt.
14:11 < esden> ahh I am waking up ...
14:11 < esden> th: yes ... that is right ... 
14:11 < esden> perhups there is a patch for it ...
14:12 < th> should not be hard to patch it yourself. but you need lpt
14:12 < th> hmmmmm
14:12 < th> you could implement printing using just inb and outb :)
14:12 < th> 0x278?
14:12 < blindcoder> the lpt works
14:12 < blindcoder> I can print just fine with lpr
14:13 < esden> blindcoder: no ... you need a working lpr from the beginning so you can see the boot messages
14:14 < blindcoder> hmm
14:14 < blindcoder> well... in fact I'd just need a getty that can redirect output
14:14 < th> esden: s,lpr,lpt,???
14:15 < blindcoder> HA!
14:15 < blindcoder> I have a solution
14:15 < esden> blindcoder: ?
14:15 < blindcoder> please wait while I try it...
14:17 * -> esden making a pizza
14:21 < praenti> re
14:22 < praenti> ARGH. ich komm mit dem gdb nicht kalr :-(
14:22 < praenti> s/kalr/klar
14:22 < esden> ok ... what I made now should be called a overclocked pizza
14:22 < praenti> is it black?
14:23 < esden> praenti: export LANG=en_GB
14:23 < esden> praenti: no it is casemodded then ;-)
14:24 < esden> I added lots of cheese ;-) if I had ... thunfish I would add it too ;-)
14:24 < praenti> esden: if (s.th==*getonmynerves*) ingnoring(LANG);
14:24 < praenti> *würg*
14:24 < esden> praenti: kk ... so choose C to be en_GB ;-)
14:25 < praenti> esden: do you know how i can search a value in the memory with gdb?
14:26 < esden> urgh ... no idea ... I had never the need to do it ...
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14:26 < praenti> attaching sim city 3000 works but i dont know how i can search the money value :-(
14:27 < esden> ROFL!!! see this : https://www.dbit.com/
14:27 < esden> a PDP-11 emulator ...
14:27 < esden> let us port rocklinux to pdp-11 ;-)
14:27 < th> praenti: you need to switch lo and hi bit
14:27 < th> s,bit,byte,
14:28 < praenti> ROTFL!! the name. ersatz-11
14:28 * [anders] is compiling kernel 2.4.19-rc3 in the vain hope it will make the USB printer work..
14:28 < esden> [anders]: an usb printer attached to a pdp-11 ? ;-)
14:29 < [anders]> esden: no, an Epson Stylus Photo 810 attached to my Shuttle(Athlon).. :)
14:29 < esden> [anders]: aha ... boring ;-)
14:30 < [anders]> esden: only boring when they don't work.. I want it working so I can print photos of my daughter...
14:31 < esden> telnet demo.dbit.com
14:31 < [anders]> and besides, kernel 2.4.19 should have support for EHCI which means I should be able to attach the 80GB USB2 harddisk and get decent performance from it.. :)
14:32 < th> [anders]: that's cool
14:32 < th> [anders]: i've a 60GB harddisk usb2 here too..
14:32 < th> [anders]: but i don't have an usb2.0 adapter
14:32 < esden> [anders]: cool 
14:32 < th> and i't fucking slow with usb1.1
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14:33 < esden> Emulated hardware configuration:
14:33 < esden> PDP-11/93, 4 MB memory, 2 GB MSCP disk, DHV11 serial mux, DEQNA NIC
14:33 < blindcoder> hmm in C
14:33 < esden> cool
14:33 < blindcoder> eeh... nevermind
14:33 < esden> blindcoder: ???
14:34 < [anders]> th: when I bought my case, there was an EHCI PCI card with it..
14:34 < [anders]> th: 12Mbit/s in USB1.1
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14:34 < owl> re
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14:35 < [anders]> Much better with USB2.. and I am hoping the new kernel will have somewhat better USB support for my motherboard than 2.4.18 had..
14:35 < blindcoder> hmm
14:35 < [anders]> moin owl 
14:36 < blindcoder> esden I've done it
14:36 < blindcoder> a little C-Program
14:36 < blindcoder> reading from stdin, outputing to stout and stderr
14:36 < esden> cool
14:36 < blindcoder> and then redirect stderr to /devprinters/0
14:36 < blindcoder> and it works
14:36 < esden> blindcoder: but this is not a shell ... :-/
14:36 < esden> you should get bash to work with this setup
14:36 < blindcoder> that doesn't matter
14:36 < esden> that would be really cool
14:36 < blindcoder> it onlöy has to be there for making notes
14:37 < blindcoder> notes that I won't(!) delete
14:37 < blindcoder> and now I have to drive my mum somewhere
14:37 * praenti away
14:37 < blindcoder> expect me back in 15 - 30 minutes
14:37 < esden> blindcoder: cu
14:37 < snyke> cu
14:38 * -> esden playing around with a pdp-11 ;-)
14:40 < esden> argh ... this pdp-11 emulator costs $3,999 ... they are crazy!!!
14:42 < [anders]> reboot time.. new kernel awaits..
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14:43 * praenti here
14:43 < esden> re praenti 
14:46 < fake> re.
14:46 < owl> hi fake
14:46 < blindcoder> back
14:47 * fake owl achja... grade erst wieder erwacht.
14:47 < blindcoder> esden: we could use this as kind of a "guestbook" at CCC :)
14:47 < praenti> hi fake. do you have some skills with gdb?
14:47 < blindcoder> every visitor to the ROCK-Booth is encouraged to enter a commentary which is then immediately printed
14:48 * blindcoder slurping JOLT
14:48 < fake> praenti: only run and backtrace ;-)
14:49 < blindcoder> esden: it's 11 lines of C-Code :)
14:52 < esden> lol
14:52 < esden> re fake 
14:53 * -> esden abusing pizza ;-)
14:53 < blindcoder> esden: now only one thing left to do for perfection:
14:53 < blindcoder> makind stderr unbuffered
14:56 * praenti away
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15:33 * -> esden is asking himself what happened with huebi ...
15:34 < esden> blindcoder: we run this in a pdp-11 emulator ;-) 
15:35 < blindcoder> hehe
15:35 < blindcoder> but I can't get stderr to be unbuffered >_<
15:35 < blindcoder> well... maybe stderr is unbuffered but not /dev/printers/0
15:36 < esden> hmm...
15:36 * -> esden needs a cigarette
15:49 < fake> cool!
15:49 < fake> if the blender group gets 100k EUR donations, blender will get Open Source!
15:50 < esden> that is really cool
15:50 < fake> yes!
15:50 < fake> Blender _rulez_
15:51 < fake> https://www.blender3d.com
16:02 * fake found a nullmodem cable yesterday
16:02 < fake> now i can load and unload the framebuffer module on the Krups 
16:10 < esden> hmm ... I still need a nullmodem cable .... >_<
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16:33 < esden> argh ... I need huebi ... the 1.5.17 iso is too big !!!
16:38 * owl is always on the run. *jumpin' around*
16:38 < owl> cu later. 
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16:40 < th> fake: cool
16:40 < th> fake: aber das modul hast du noch nicht angefasst?
16:40 < fake> nope
16:42 < fake> will erst das buch fertiglesen
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16:50 < fake> hi [anders] !
16:50 < [anders]> moin fake 
16:51 * [anders] is fuming at the moment... Not impressed at all with Marcello (2.4 maintainer)... initrd's been broken in 2.4.19-pre tree for ages and it is not being fixed.. it is now -rc3 and still not working..
16:52 < fake> hm...
16:52 < fake> rc3 ? i missed something
16:52 < [anders]> fake: yeah, there is a 2.4.19-rc3
16:53 < fake> uh... how much time passed between rc2 and rc3 ?
16:53 < th> can't be for long as there is no 2.4.19-rc3-ac
16:53 < [anders]> no idea.. and if I could have a say there would not be much time until -rc4 was out as well as they should fscking fix the initrd problem..!
16:56 < fake> ah, cool! a MIPS resync!
16:57 < [anders]> hopefully AC will come out with a nice little fix for the initrd problem..
17:01 < [anders]> -rc3 was released 'Jul 20 01:13' according to ftp.kernel.org file timestamp..
17:01 < [anders]> surprised there is not already a -rc3-ac1.... Alan is usually very quick of the mark..
17:18 * fake is a bit bored
17:28 < fake> hm...
17:29 * fake is reading a bit
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17:49 < owl> re
17:49 < Freak> wb
18:42 * kob is back (gone 05:08:24)
18:43 < esden> morning guys
18:49 < esden> blindcoder: are you here ?
18:49 < esden> I have even a better solution for your printer thingy ... I would like you to test it
19:05 < esden> blindcoder: perhups you will read it that is a command that could be interesting for you: bash -i > /dev/printers/0 2>&1
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19:18 * h0h0 is off to play bzflag
19:25 < esden> h0h0: have fun
19:36 < blindcoder> rehi
19:36 < esden> re blindcoder 
19:37 < esden> read scrollback
19:38 < blindcoder> scrollback? it's still on my xterm :)
19:39 < blindcoder> esden> looks good, but what if I start vim?
19:42 < blindcoder> esden: that's not what I need... I just need a quick and dirty way to use my terminal as typewriter
19:44 < chris_GONE> esden: bis morgen (klausur) ciao
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19:55 < esden> blindcoder: yes I know ... >_< ... but I think that a shell on a printer is much cooler than a stupid typewriter sorry
19:55 < esden> vim ? *headshake*
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20:32 < owl> re
20:40 < fake> *sigh*
20:40 * fake @work
20:43 < blindcoder> esden: vim: WARNING! outputis not to a terminal. terminating
20:43 < fake> und jetzt spinnt auhc noch der nameserver...
20:43 < fake> *heul*
20:44 < fake> https://www.heckler-koch.de/html/german/behoerden/03_rifles/03_01_index.html
20:44 < fake> ^--- use this on me
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20:48 < blindcoder> fake: no fucking way. I won't do you that favor :D
20:48 < fake> :(
20:48 < esden> blindcoder: what do you want with vim ?
20:49 < esden> use echo
20:49 < blindcoder> then i can use echo > /dev/printers/0 <<EOT
20:49 < blindcoder> bla
20:49 < blindcoder> EOT
20:49 < blindcoder> where EOT = End of Trash
20:50 < blindcoder> but I want it to be immediately at monitor AND printer
20:50 < esden> blindcoder: pleeeease use it on me tooo !!!!!
20:50 < blindcoder> the moment i press the key
20:50 < blindcoder> ls -l /dev/esden/brain
20:50 < fake> . ..
20:50 < blindcoder> lrwxrwxrwx root  root  /dev/esden/brain -> /dev/null
20:51 < fake> esden's brain is owz0r3d by r00t?
20:51 < fake> blindcoder: @that printer thing: that won't work
20:51 < blindcoder> well.... as is dev/null...
20:51 < blindcoder> it DOES
20:51 < fake> blindcoder: as the printer itself is line buffered
20:51 < blindcoder> with 11 lines of C-Code it DOES
20:51 < blindcoder> well... almost as you say
20:52 < blindcoder> the moment i hit enter :)
20:52 < fake> that's why it is calles "line" printer
20:52 < fake> s,calles,called,
20:52 < blindcoder> hmm... can't you unbufer /dev/printers/0 ? *asksstupidquestionsagain*
20:52 < fake> blindcoder: hardware-wise?
20:53 < fake> you could do an evil hack
20:53 < fake> print one letter in a line
20:53 < fake> spool back to that line
20:53 < fake> print no-letter up to just behind the last letter printed
20:53 < blindcoder> hmm... sound good enough to me
20:53 < fake> print the next letter/line
20:53 < fake> spool up again....
20:53 < blindcoder> what's the escape for reverse line-feed?
20:54 < fake> no idea
20:54 < fake> it may even be unsupported
20:54 < fake> that would be a plotter
20:54 < blindcoder> dammit
20:55 < blindcoder> *grunts*
20:55 < fake> blindcoder: that could be solved by inserting a smoll additional servo ;-)
20:55 < blindcoder> hehe
20:55 < blindcoder> that wuold have to be controlled via serial line
20:56 < fake> hm.... or by a pic
20:56 < fake> inserted into the printer
20:56 < fake> that interprets ^FOO as reverse-linefeed
20:56 < fake> ^F^O^O
20:57 < blindcoder> hehe
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21:08 < fake> boy... this is so frustrating
21:08 < fake> 1.7 say "consider using the pseudo cross compiler" - wether you use it or no
21:08 < fake> t
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21:15 < tsa> tag
21:17 < owl> moin tsa
21:18 < tsa> hi owl
21:18 < fake> hi tsa 
21:18 < tsa> hi fake
21:19 < oversize> hi :)
21:19 < tsa> hi oversize.
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21:48 < fake> hi Ge0rG 
21:48 < Ge0rG> 'lo folks
21:50 < esden> fake: why should you use the pcc ?
21:50 < esden> hi Ge0rG 
21:51 < fake> pcc ?
21:51 < fake> ah.
21:51 < esden> pcc = pseudo cross compiler
21:51 < fake> esden: Build-Pkg recommends it
21:51 < esden> hmm ... and why ? 
21:52 < fake> because "no gcc2 found - so no special optimisation is used\nConsider using the pseudo-cross-compiler"
21:52 < fake> (shown with and without the pcc)
21:53 * [anders] is still trying to get things building properly for metacity... and as it happens, gnome2
21:53 < esden> then it is a bug ... ?
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21:53 < [anders]> would be cool to get gnome2 rolling.. it apperanly has aa built-in and somewhat better than what gdkxft was doing it..
21:54 < fake> esden: seems so
21:56 < esden> [anders]: so get it rolling ;-)
21:57 < esden> I am sorry but I do not use gnome2 and I do not have the time to work on it ... 
21:59 < esden> the only packets I will add next week to my respository are provray3.1 povray3.5 megapov and perhups take over windowmaker from rxr because I am using it on day to day basis and hi is not ... I think he will be happy about it
22:00 * fake is off
22:00 < fake> cya
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22:16 < tsa> aszlig: wach?
22:17 < tsa> aszlig: you might consider spending more time on server security.
22:19 < esden> tsa: ???
22:20 < esden> what has he done ?
22:20 < tsa> esden: less than 5 minutes to get r/w-access to mysql on the website where aszlig works.
22:20 < esden> hmm ... that is not good 
22:20 < tsa> ack.
22:21 < tsa> they're using an outdated wu-ftpd, too.
22:21 < esden> hmm that is very bad
22:22 * -> esden has to test OpenBSD ...
22:22 < esden> I think I will setup my router with it
22:22 < esden> that would be a good experiance
22:22 < tsa> do you know how to contact him?
22:23 < esden> hmm ... I do not have his phone number IIRC
22:23 < tsa> (i'd like to avoid sending a mail that might turn up at his boss..)
22:23 < tsa> hm...ok
22:24 < tsa> if he shows up, tell him to contact me by mail or something.
22:24 < esden> tsa: yes I will !!!
22:24 < tsa> ok, tanks.
22:24 < tsa> +h
22:24 < tsa> <- going to sleep.
22:24 < tsa> cu esden
22:24 < tsa> cu all.
22:25 < owl> gn8 tsa
22:25 < tsa> cu owl
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22:26 < h0h0> is there any dificulty in useing rocklinux with XFS?
22:27 < esden> hi h0h0 
22:28 < h0h0> `lo esden
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