-!- Irrsi Log opened Mon Jul 22 00:00:05 2002
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[00:38] < huebi> moin
[00:38] < huebi> back home ;-)
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[01:06] < th> huebi? du lebst?
[01:06] < huebi> jo
[01:06] < th> cool
[01:31] < esden> hi huebi
[02:27] < esden> n8
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[07:07] < sanitysej> hey, I'm not a complete newbie (i think) and want to try ROCK - I'm wondering if anyone would want to give me a hand?
[07:08] < sanitysej> so, am I basically on my own?
[07:09] < sanitysej> ok
[07:13] < sanitysej> ok, do I need to ask specifics, or does anyone care I'm even in this irc?
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[08:37] < owl> hi
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[08:58] < huebi> moin :-)
[09:06] < [anders]> moin
[09:06] < [anders]> hullo huebi , how are things? :)
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[09:20] < tsa> moin.
[09:22] < huebi> moin [anders]
[09:22] < huebi> moin tsa
[09:25] < tsa> hi huebi
[09:26] < tsa> SCSI 2 tape drive:
[09:26] < tsa> File number=0, block number=0, partition=0.
[09:26] < tsa> Tape block size 1024 bytes. Density code 0x1a (DLT 20GB).
[09:26] < tsa> Soft error count since last status=0
[09:26] < tsa> General status bits on (45010000):
[09:26] < tsa> BOT WR_PROT ONLINE IM_REP_EN
[09:26] < tsa> huebi: any ideas what causes WR_PROT except write protection?
[09:26] < tsa> customer says write protection is disabled.
[09:26] < tsa> *sigh*
[09:28] < huebi> tsa: I test it....
[09:28] < tsa> ok, thanks.
[09:30] < huebi> hehe. I have a DLT2000. kool
[09:34] < tsa> hm...
[09:34] < tsa> might it help to throw the tape drive out of the window?
[09:35] < huebi> tsa: Definitly YES!
[09:36] < tsa> ok.
[09:36] tsa throwing..
[09:36] < tsa> aah.
[09:37] < tsa> ok, backup's still broken, but i'm feeling _much_ better now..
[09:37] < huebi> Host: scsi0 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00
[09:37] < huebi> Vendor: DEC Model: DLT2000 Rev: 9823
[09:37] < huebi> Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[09:39] < huebi> tsa: cat /proc/scsi/scsi ?
[09:40] < tsa> Host: scsi1 Channel: 00 Id: 05 Lun: 00
[09:40] < tsa> Vendor: BNCHMARK Model: DLT1 Rev: 3E20
[09:40] < tsa> Type: Sequential-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 02
[09:40] < [anders]> tsa: that is a 40/80GB drive..
[09:41] < huebi> [anders]: ACK
[09:41] < tsa> hm..
[09:41] < huebi> The cheap and slow model
[09:41] < tsa> so why does mt status say it's 20gb?
[09:41] < [anders]> v. nice.. I was going to get one until the company screwed me over.. I need to get legal help...
[09:41] < [anders]> tsa: it could have a 20GB tape in it..
[09:42] < [anders]> tsa: and the tape could have been written with a DLT-2000 which the DLT1 supports reading, but not writing to..
[09:42] < tsa> aah, i understand.
[09:42] < huebi> tsa: mt erase
[09:44] < huebi> root@ultra:/tmp/mt-st-0.7# ./mt -f /dev/scsi/host0/bus0/target5/lun0/mtn status
[09:44] < huebi> SCSI 2 tape drive:
[09:44] < huebi> File number=0, block number=0, partition=0.
[09:44] < huebi> Tape block size 0 bytes. Density code 0x0 (default).
[09:44] < huebi> Soft error count since last status=0
[09:44] < huebi> General status bits on (41010000):
[09:44] < huebi> BOT ONLINE IM_REP_EN
[09:44] < tsa> mt -f /dev/st0 erase
[09:44] < tsa> /dev/st0: Read-only file system
[09:44] < tsa> *grr*
[09:45] < [anders]> huebi: the ROCK policy is almost always to grab and build the latest available software yeah?
[09:46] < tsa> crw-rw---- 1 root disk 9, 0 Mai 5 1998 /dev/st0
[09:46] < huebi> [anders]: No, only if the software works after building
[09:47] < huebi> for 1.6 I only want to have software proven to work fine. That does mean that it also could be beta software.
[09:47] < [anders]> huebi: yes, but take the gettext package for example.. if you want to build gnome2, you can not get 0.11.3 or 0.11.2 of gettext and make it work..
[09:48] < huebi> Stability is the maen goal for 1.6
[09:48] < [anders]> huebi: you do require gettext 0.10.40
[09:48] < tsa> <- hates backup stuff.
[09:50] < huebi> Yes, but in 1.6 there will only be Gnome 1.4.1. If it's better to be open for further development, as I see, gettext 0.10.40 should be in 1.5 if nothing else breaks because of that.
[09:50] < huebi> tsa: Tel them to put a brand new DLT-IV Tape into that drive.
[09:51] < huebi> +l
[09:51] < huebi> tsa: It must be sealed. And if they do something else send them an invoice >=10.000 EUR.
[09:55] < tsa> huebi: i don't care about money any more with this one. shooting the customer is the only thing that will give me the necessary satisfaction..
[09:58] < tsa> <- would like to insert tape into customer at speed of light.
[09:59] < tsa> customer with dlt tape in mouth must look pretty funny, i guess.
[10:00] < huebi> tsa: Let him pay for this special service, too. *g*
[10:00] < tsa> hehe, sure.
[10:00] < tsa> btw....anyone seen aszlig recently?
[10:01] < [anders]> huebi: I have installed 0.10.40 gettext now in my 1.4.0 install and it works.. :)
[10:02] [anders] is quite happily now building large chunks of Gnome 2.0.0 to try out..
[10:02] < huebi> [anders]: ok, I put it in cvs now and start a new build.
[10:02] < tsa> if he doesn't show up here, i'll have to r00t his server.. ;-)
[10:04] < [anders]> huebi: I am tempted in making a private 1.6.0 with Gnome2 instead of Gnome 1.4.1
[10:05] < huebi> [anders]: Yes, do it. Now Gnome 1.4.1 get's stable and in 1.6.1 or so we can upgrade to Gnome2
[10:08] < [anders]> huebi: Ok.. I'll need to order a new hard-disk for my laptop first though.. And an external USB 2.5" cradle for the other old disk.. :)
[10:13] < [anders]> The dependencies to build metacity is rather interesting.. (That was my first goal...)
[10:14] < [anders]> You need, in order, gettext 0.10.40, atk 1.0.2, pango 1.0.3, glib 2.0.4, gtk+ 2.0.5, linc 0.5.0, libIDL 0.8.0, ORBit 2.4.0, GConf 1.2.0, libglade 2.0.0 before you can build MetaCity 2.3.987
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[10:15] < bluefire> Moin
[10:15] < tsa> hi bluefire
[10:15] < [anders]> and building the damned metacity-setup pulled in even more of Gnome2, and at that point I thought I might as well build the lot..
[10:15] < tsa> what's metacity?
[10:16] < tsa> a g2 release?
[10:16] < [anders]> MetaCity is a new windowmanager...
[10:16] < tsa> ah, i see.
[10:16] < [anders]> (damned good looking as well.. )
[10:17] < tsa> any screenshots anywhere?
[10:17] < [anders]> tsa: one moment, I'll see what I can find..
[10:17] < tsa> https://www.gnome.org/softwaremap/projects/Metacity doesn't have any..
[10:21] < [anders]> can't find any right this minute.. Once I get it working properly, I can make screenshots myself..
[10:21] < tsa> ok, fine.
[10:22] < tsa> i've tried building gimp w/ gtk 2.0.x last week and failed badly. this gnome2 stuff is really becoming an ugly mess.
[10:24] < [anders]> tsa: no, it will take a while to port all apps and utils across as gtk was massively updated and worked on.. It is not a smooth drop-in replacement.. :)
[10:27] < tsa> [anders]: yes, i know.
[10:28] < [anders]> It would be tempting to keep the old gtk libraries installed so that un-ported applications can still be built and run..
[10:28] < tsa> i'm currently considering a complete reinstall of my system...
[10:36] < [anders]> same here..
[10:46] < tsa> the current pkg format still doesn't allow some packages to be updated..
[10:46] < tsa> (glibc is evil)
[10:47] < [anders]> tsa: we would require something stand-alone, statically linked, to do the job for us with that..
[10:48] < huebi> chroot to a temporary system in swap mount / to /mnt again and upgrade the system.
[10:48] < tsa> [anders]: my system has been a 1.4.0 release (long long ago..), but i've updated about 80% percent of all packages with scripts/Build-Pkg ..
[10:48] < tsa> yes..
[10:49] < tsa> actually, it is possible to do a ./scripts/Build-Pkg glibc on a running system.
[10:50] < huebi> yes, that should work fine. The old files are not removed, they are just overwriten. That should work fine.
[10:50] < tsa> the problem is, i've been upgrading from glibc 2.1.3 to 2.2.x; since the old stuff could not be removed and new files are just added to the flists, i still had some old .h files from glibc 2.1.3 on my system...
[10:51] < tsa> very bad when you try to compile some stuff..
[10:51] < tsa> does anyone know how rpm handles such kind of updates?
[10:51] < huebi> tsa: Therefore the chroot thing. Then you can make a pkg-remove - pkg-install
[10:52] < tsa> huebi: that's what i did afterwards.
[10:52] < tsa> requires a reboot and service downtime which is a bad idea if it's a important server.
[10:52] < tsa> i'd like to be able to update even glibc on a running system.
[10:53] < tsa> (i know, this is really ugly)
[10:53] < tsa> rpm can do this. i don't like rpm, but i'd like to know how they do it.
[10:54] < tsa> how could we remove old stuff and install new stuff at the same time without causing serious trouble when dealing with "core" system like libc etc ..
[10:54] < tsa> ?
[10:55] < tsa> there's other issues, too. it must become possible that a single file is owned by several packages.
[10:56] < tsa> i think solaris has a clean solution for this one..
[10:56] < huebi> first add the new packaege then remove the parts remaining from the old package.
[10:56] < [anders]> much to think about.. and rpm doesn't solve the problem of a file being owned by several packages..
[10:56] < tsa> [anders]: ACK.
[10:56] < [anders]> (not what I have seen and experienced at any rate..)
[10:56] < tsa> huebi: how do you know what is old and what is new?
[10:57] < huebi> What about the solaris pkg* tools?
[10:57] < tsa> you just have one flist.
[10:57] < huebi> tsa: a temporary flist.
[10:57] < tsa> huebi: solaris has a nice text file about files installed on the system and where they belong..
[10:57] < tsa> (just to make it clear: we're speaking -dev, not -stable)
[10:58] < tsa> huebi: did you ever have a look at the .cache files in 1.7?
[10:58] < tsa> about 99% percent of all packages depend on hylafax ;-)
[10:58] < huebi> tsa: That is fixed
[10:59] < huebi> rene fixed it.
[10:59] < tsa> in which way?
[11:00] < huebi> Well, ask rene about it. If you ask long enough it might be possible that you get an sufficient answer ;>
[11:00] < tsa> hehe
[11:00] < tsa> *sigh*
[11:00] < tsa> he's on vacation..
[11:00] < tsa> good time to consider some major changes in 1.7? ;-)
[11:01] < tsa> i still don't understand why he was so pissed about the sparc stuff in 1.6..
[11:02] < huebi> I think he hates non-perfect things like sparc64.
[11:02] < tsa> hm..
[11:02] < tsa> sparc64 is work in progress.
[11:03] < tsa> work is currently being done in your tree, not 1.7. i don't see a problem with that.
[11:04] < [anders]> the reason for the upset is that they want 1.6.0 out asap.. they (clifford and rene) want development to take place in the 'unstable' tree..
[11:05] < [anders]> Personally, i think it would be nice to get 1.6.0 out, the carry on working on it and get an updated 1.6.1 out a few months later..
[11:06] < huebi> [anders]: They stopped to get things finished in 1.5. Now I need very much more time to get it stable with this fscked up 'geek code' nobody else can read without getting headaches.
[11:06] < tsa> [anders]: hm... the 1.7 tree has some advantages in comparison to 1.6; i think, it's a lot cleaner and possible it's a lot better for doing ports to other archs. but that's not a reason to drop 1.6..
[11:07] < huebi> 1.6 is not out yet. And I release it only if it's stable.
[11:07] < tsa> if we would drop 1.6, we would be left with nothing but an unstable tree.
[11:07] < tsa> and "drock"....
[11:08] < tsa> *urghs* ;)
[11:08] < huebi> rene promised to fix the linux* pkgs in 1.5. now he is in vacation for at least 2 weeks. Now he has never to say anything about late release dates anymore!
[11:08] < tsa> hehe.
[11:09] < tsa> huebi: i wouldn't count on rene's work for 1.6...
[11:09] < [anders]> huebi: Agreed, I think more work should have taken place in 1.5 before they branched 1.7 off of it..
[11:09] < tsa> just feel free to change stuff, break everything and release it as you want. ;-)
[11:09] < huebi> Then he has to shout up. His code is something unusable for a stable release.
[11:09] < [anders]> tsa: I didn't say to drop 1.6, 1.6 is very much needed while people work on 1.7 to get that working properly..
[11:10] < tsa> [anders]: full ack.
[11:10] < [anders]> huebi: rxr did ask about the linux* stuff in 1.5.17, said he'd take a look and that was the last I heard of it..
[11:11] < tsa> i think the problem is something else: some people work on 1.6, others on 1.7; but they don't talk to each other often enough.
[11:11] < huebi> tsa: I break nothing new in 1.5. I try to fix the broken crap in 1.5.
[11:12] < tsa> i'm not talking about single package updates, that one is easy. but the core stuff, things that have to be added to 1.7, ...
[11:12] < tsa> huebi: hehe.
[11:12] < huebi> tsa: !.6 is not known as urgend as it should be. 1.7 is just development nobody is interested in who wants to use rocklinux seriously.
[11:13] < tsa> it would be nice to get some more feedback about the progress being done with sparc64, known quirks etc, so this stuff could be integrated into 1.7..
[11:13] < [anders]> I use Rock seriously.. on my desktop..
[11:14] < [anders]> I've been using 1.4.0 since it came out.. been waiting for 1.4.1 (which never showed up..)
[11:14] < huebi> tsa: the core stuff still needs many fixes in 1.5.
[11:14] < tsa> huebi: yes, i know.
[11:15] < tsa> seems to be the next problem: we're experienced users and developers, so we can just hack things.
[11:15] < tsa> i have no problem building 1.7 packages on my 1.4.0 system or whatever else. but real "end users" wouldn't do that..
[11:17] < huebi> [anders]: I developed many things on 1.5 on full productive servers. 1.5 is usable stable for production. But it is not as bugfree as it needs to be for an admin or enduser how needs something bullet proof.
[11:17] < tsa> ACK ACK ACK!
[11:17] < tsa> ;-)
[11:17] < tsa> we need some dumb and stupid morons to test our stuff. ;-)
[11:18] < [anders]> tsa: users w/o clue will not get far installing Rock..
[11:19] < huebi> tsa: Not dump and stupid. I would better say unexperienced with some basic knowledge
[11:20] < tsa> ok.....we're an distro for experienced users, sure..
[11:20] < [anders]> users with some clue should be able to install Rock.. I had a little idea of how things worked when I started with Rock 1.3.9 on my SuSE box at home..
[11:23] < huebi> here a german translation of the install guide. Only some more information is needed about fdisk, mke2fs, mkswap, swapon... https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/Rocklinux_installation_de.html
[11:23] < huebi> ...to get a beginner to install rocklinux on his own.
[11:28] < tsa> are there any good ncurses-based fdisk frontends?
[11:29] < tsa> i always need several sheets of paper when doing my partition layout just with fdisk..
[11:29] < tsa> confusing..
[11:29] < tsa> [tsa@azathoth ~]$ mount | wc -l
[11:29] < tsa> 19
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[11:30] < tsa> hi Freak
[11:34] < huebi> tsa: Did you consider to use LVM?
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[11:35] < huebi> moin Ge0rG, Freak
[11:35] < Ge0rG> hi :)
[11:37] < tsa> huebi: i've never used it before, and i'm happy with just standard partitions, so i see ne reason to change this..
[11:38] < tsa> i know lvm has some advantages, but i don't fully trust it, and i can't risk losing my mp3s^h^h^h my important work data.
[11:38] < huebi> tsa: You can very easy resize your partitions and also repartition your running system
[11:39] < Freak> hi all
[11:42] < tsa> huebi: i'm not sure if all kinds of filesystems like transparently being resized.
[11:42] < tsa> reiser/ext2/ext3/xfs/jfs ..
[11:42] < tsa> i'm currently running on reiserfs exclusively.
[11:43] < huebi> reiserfs work really fine.
[11:46] < [anders]> tsa: I have been using lvm/reiserfs with Rock 1.4.0 since it was released.. ;-)
[11:48] < [anders]> I have both increased nad decreased filesystem size and not had any problems..
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[11:49] < [anders]> I must admit I was scared when updating from lvm 0.9 to 1.0
[11:55] < tsa> hehe
[12:06] < tsa> *gaehn*
[12:06] < tsa> <- tired.
[12:07] < huebi> ach nee ;-)
[12:07] < tsa> hehe
[12:07] < tsa> i've heard sleeping should help.
[12:08] < huebi> Sound Blaster 5.1 digital PCI <- Does this use the emu10k driver?
[12:08] < tsa> yes.
[12:08] < tsa> 00:09.0 Multimedia audio controller: Creative Labs SB Live! EMU10k1 (rev 07)
[12:08] < huebi> 34,20 EUR +VAT
[12:09] < tsa> Creative EMU10K1 PCI Audio Driver, version 0.18, 21:44:20 Jul 3 2002
[12:09] < tsa> PCI: Setting latency timer of device 00:09.0 to 64
[12:09] < tsa> emu10k1: EMU10K1 rev 7 model 0x8064 found, IO at 0xb800-0xb81f, IRQ 19
[12:09] < tsa> ac97_codec: AC97 Audio codec, id: 0x8384:0x7608 (SigmaTel STAC9708)
[12:09] < tsa> emu10k1: SBLive! 5.1 card detected
[12:13] < huebi> cat /proc/fridge/Pizza
[12:13] < huebi> 0
[12:13] < huebi> hmmm
[12:15] < [anders]> 33 packages build so far to get gnome2 working.. and there is at least another 5 to go..
[12:15] < tsa> uh, nice.
[12:15] < tsa> i already failed at glib
[12:16] < tsa> damn configure refused to find the correct glib version
[12:16] < tsa> autoconf/automake just sucks.
[12:17] < [anders]> I installed all gnome2 stuff in a separate directory in /opt then I make symlinks from /opt/snot/package/* to /usr/local/package/
[12:17] < tsa> hm..
[12:17] < tsa> i used -prefix=/opt/gnome2
[12:17] < [anders]> I'll get you the full link command in a moment.. waiting to gnome-applets to finish building..
[12:17] < tsa> /opt/gnome2/bin as first entry in $PATH
[12:18] < tsa> /opt/gnome2/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf
[12:18] < tsa> still complained.
[12:18] < [anders]> tsa: you have package 0.12 installed, right?
[12:18] < [anders]> you need that for this to work..
[12:18] < tsa> of what?
[12:18] < tsa> package 0.12?
[12:19] < [anders]> it is called package.. :)
[12:19] < tsa> huh?
[12:19] < tsa> no, i haven'Ät
[12:19] < tsa> there is no rock package named "package"
[12:20] < [anders]> one moment.. I'll try and find it..
[12:20] < tsa> pkgconfig?
[12:22] < tsa> Cksum ERROR: download/rene/ebg/ebg-2002-07-07.tar.bz2.cksum-err (3890796430)
[12:22] < tsa> GRR.
[12:22] < tsa> going to kill rxr
[12:23] < tsa> all cvs stuff broken again.
[12:23] < tsa> *sigh*
[12:23] < [anders]> pkgconfig
[12:23] < tsa> ah, yes.
[12:23] < [anders]> that's the name of it..
[12:23] < tsa> i have that one.
[12:23] < [anders]> sudo ln -s /opt/snot/lib/pkgconfig/* /usr/local/lib/pkgconfig/
[12:23] < [anders]> then it works.
[12:24] < [anders]> I have not figured out how to make pkgconfig look in /opt/snot/lib/pkgconfig yet.. :)
[12:24] < Freak> what the hell is a sea monkey? my dictionary doesn't know it
[12:26] < tsa> dunno.
[12:26] < Freak> so I googled now
[12:26] < Freak> what the hell is this?
[12:26] < Freak> toys?
[12:26] < tsa> hehe
[12:26] < Freak> https://www.seamonkeymania.com/
[12:27] < Freak> looks.. kinda... funny.
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[12:27] < tsa> hi fake
[12:27] < Freak> hi there, fake
[12:27] < fake> hi -_-
[12:27] < tsa> hehe
[12:27] < tsa> ok so let's see.
[12:27] < tsa> gtk+ 2.0.x wants glib.
[12:28] < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gnome2 glib
[12:28] < tsa> building..
[12:28] < tsa> waiting..
[12:28] < tsa> *sigh*
[12:29] < tsa> glib built.
[12:29] < Freak> https://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/andrew.harbottle/images/sm_singing_karaoke.jpg
[12:29] < Freak> I don't get it
[12:29] < Freak> hey you american guys, fill me in
[12:29] < tsa> echo /opt/gnome2/lib >> /etc/ld.so.conf ; ldconfig
[12:30] < Freak> so there's a PC game with sea monkeys..
[12:30] < Freak> and there are..
[12:30] < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gnome2 gtk+
[12:30] < [anders]> tsa: stick /opt/*/lib in /etc/ld.so.conf instead
[12:30] < tsa> [anders]: ld.so.conf can't do wildcard expansion, IIRC.
[12:30] < Freak> instant creatures.. https://images-eu.amazon.com/images/P/0201483874.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg
[12:30] < tsa> > No package 'glib-2.0' found
[12:30] < tsa> arghs.
[12:30] < Freak> maybe they're "Urzeitkrebse" like we got in the famous YPS-Magazine
[12:31] < Freak> here in germany..
[12:31] < fake> tsa: ldconfig of rock can
[12:31] < tsa> ah, ok
[12:31] < Freak> nice tho ;)
[12:31] < [anders]> tsa: mine does, quite happily..
[12:31] < [anders]> :-?
[12:31] < tsa> export PKG_CONFIG_PATH=/opt/gnome2/lib
[12:31] < tsa> ./scripts/Build-Pkg -prefix /opt/gnome2 gtk+
[12:31] < tsa> next try.
[12:32] < tsa> ok, doesn't work this way.
[12:32] < fake> Freak: yes... i had the Urzeitkrebse too
[12:32] < huebi> moin fake
[12:32] < fake> hi huebi
[12:33] < tsa> added to .conf file.
[12:33] < tsa> next try.
[12:33] < tsa> hm..
[12:33] < tsa> still not working.
[12:33] fake is deprimiert
[12:33] < tsa> damn
[12:34] < huebi> fake: what's up?
[12:35] < fake> ach.. alles scheisse ... und noch dazu hab ich grade festgestellet dass unsere alte firewall (die ich am Sa/So ersetzt habe) kompromittiert war
[12:35] < tsa> added to gnome2.conf
[12:35] < tsa> next try.
[12:35] < tsa> would like to meet gnome developer.
[12:35] < tsa> > No package 'glib-2.0' found
[12:35] < tsa> need 9mm gun.
[12:35] < huebi> fake: What did happen to it?
[12:36] < fake> huebi: ssh remote exploit, someone installed a sniffer
[12:36] < fake> (until i updated ssh)
[12:36] < tsa> urghs.
[12:36] < tsa> where?
[12:36] < tsa> important system?
[12:36] < fake> gateway, batallion host
[12:36] < fake> tsa: all traffic goes through there
[12:36] < tsa> arghs.
[12:36] < fake> cvs checkouts, for example.
[12:37] < fake> (closed source software)
[12:37] fake changing all his passwords
[12:38] < fake> from Jul. 2001 - Dez. 17th 2001
[12:38] < fake> i updated ssh on 17th of Dec.
[12:40] < tsa> <- rebuilding pkgconfig
[12:40] < [anders]> bah.. forgot to build the damned control-center...
[12:40] < tsa> hehe
[12:42] < tsa> next try for gtk+
[12:42] < [anders]> looking good when it is running though.. :)
[12:42] < tsa> > No package 'atk' found
[12:42] < tsa> ah.
[12:42] < Freak> fake: I didn't ever get them "working" ;)
[12:42] < [anders]> need atk and pongo
[12:42] < tsa> building atk.
[12:42] < tsa> wtf is pongo?
[12:42] < [anders]> pango
[12:43] < tsa> ah.
[12:43] < [anders]> then you can build glib..
[12:43] < tsa> sounds....uhm...interesting.
[12:43] < fake> Freak: me neither.
[12:43] < [anders]> and then you can build gtk+
[12:43] < tsa> i alredy have glib.
[12:43] < Freak> hahaha ;)
[12:43] < tsa> even glib-2.0
[12:43] < tsa> finally.
[12:43] < tsa> atk done.
[12:43] < tsa> now pango.
[12:43] fake never gets anything working
[12:44] < tsa> fake: do you have a phone number from aszlig?
[12:44] < fake> tsa: no, why?
[12:44] < tsa> fake: he has a security problem.
[12:44] < fake> tsa: what kind?
[12:45] < tsa> several, to be honest.
[12:45] < tsa> fake: website of his work disclosing mysql user/pass.
[12:45] < fake> tsa: where does he work?
[12:45] < tsa> fake: www.stroehmer.de
[12:46] < tsa> pango done.
[12:46] < tsa> gtk+. again.
[12:47] < fake> tsa: esden should have it - or owl.
[12:48] fake is going to kick some stones around... (break)...
[12:48] < tsa> fake: i told esden yesterday, but he didn't
[12:48] -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG
[12:48] < tsa> FTP server (Version wu-2.6.0(1)
[12:48] < tsa> buuuhuuhuh..
[12:49] < tsa> some people don't need security, it seems.
[12:51] < huebi> tsa: almost the same as M$ "Open Server" *g*
[12:51] < tsa> ack-.
[12:51] < tsa> SSH-1.99-OpenSSH_2.9.9p2
[12:51] < tsa> *sigh*
[12:52] < tsa> anyone wanna r00t stroehmer.de? ;-)
[12:53] < tsa> == 07/22/02 12:52:48 =[9]=> Finished building package gtk+.
[12:53] < tsa> YESSSSS!#
[12:55] < huebi> "This Web Site has been shut down by the ISTF (Internet Security Task Force) for your safety."
[12:55] < huebi> hehe
[12:57] < th> ouhm? wo
[12:57] < tsa> hehe
[12:58] < tsa> huebi: proposal for openssh: change --sysconfir=/etc to =/etc/ssh
[12:58] < tsa> +d
[12:58] < huebi> tsa ACK
[12:58] < tsa> fine, thanks.
[12:59] < huebi> tsa: can you cvs ci it?
[12:59] < tsa> mom.
[13:00] tsa co'ing
[13:00] < tsa> what do i have to run after changing this? Build-?
[13:00] < tsa> (before ci)
[13:01] < th> scripts/Build-Index
[13:01] < tsa> ok. thanks.
[13:01] < th> rock-1.5/Documentation/HOWTO-Contribute-To-rock-1.5.txt
[13:01] < tsa> ;-)
[13:01] < tsa> = rtfm
[13:02] < th> short:
[13:02] < th> ======
[13:02] < th> CVSROOT=cvs.rocklinux.de
[13:02] < th> CVS_RSH=ssh
[13:02] < th> always update (cvs up -dP) before changing anything
[13:02] < th> do a ./scripts/Build-Index after changing anything in {base,ext}-config
[13:02] < th> that's a fscking short fm
[13:02] < tsa> hehe
[13:02] tsa working directly on world.
[13:03] < tsa> sendmail 8.12.5 is current.
[13:03] < tsa> cvs still has .4
[13:04] < th> [M] Clifford Wolf <clifford@clifford.at>
[13:04] < tsa> clifford isn't working on this tree, is he?
[13:04] < th> i really don't think so
[13:05] < tsa> cvs ci done.
[13:05] < tsa> i'l have a look after sendmail later..
[13:07] < tsa> ok, i'm gone for a while.
[13:07] < tsa> cu later.
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[13:11] fake understood existence yesterday
[13:11] < fake> now i know what existance is, and why
[13:13] < [anders]> barf.. now I have to figure out how to make gnome2 use metacity instead of sawfish
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[13:30] < [anders]> got it.. I can now log out and get gnome2 running ... :) biab.. :D
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[13:40] < fake> wee...
[13:41] < [anders]> yummy... gnome2 is faaaaaast!
[13:42] < huebi> [anders]: ;-))
[13:42] [anders] has now officially changed from Gnome 1.4.0 to Gnome 2.0
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[13:43] < freed> hi all
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[13:58] < praenti> hi
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[14:21] < [anders]> what really gets me about Gnome2 is the fact that it is so bloody fast! When you change a setting or similar, it just happens, instantly..
[14:23] [anders] is now building nautilus..
[14:48] [anders] is impressed.. Gnome2 is a lot sleeker and nice than anticipated..
[15:04] < fake> wooho.
[15:04] < fake> Suddenly your firm dies. You die.
[15:06] fake is now as good as unemployed
[15:15] < [anders]> fake: sorry to hear that....
[15:24] < bluefire> [anders]: if you start trying drag'n'drop in nautilus, you'll find less so.
[15:30] < [anders]> bluefire: it appears to be working quite nicely at least with backgrounds etc..
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[15:33] < [anders]> and also, for being a 2.0.0 release, I would anticipate some problems with it.. The gnome terminal needs some more work done to it to get to the point where I would be really happy with it. MultiGnomeTerminal does have a a few features still that I find GnomeTerminal lacking. Highlighting of tabs when something changes in the windows and also being able to move tabs..
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[16:01] < Mike1> Good Day all
[16:02] < [anders]> moin Mike1
[16:02] < [anders]> Mike1: how are you today then? Feeling any better?
[16:02] < Mike1> Yo [anders]
[16:03] < Mike1> [anders]: I feel perfect now :)
[16:03] < Mike1> and you?
[16:03] < [anders]> Mike1: I feel alright.. Tired, as I was working saturday and didn't get enough sleep sunday. Other than that I feel fine. Got Gnome2 installed and running now as well. (Which is kool. ;)
[16:04] < Mike1> nice :)
[16:04] < Mike1> i finally got to build ur private tree this weekend
[16:04] < Mike1> when i left home this mourning it was working with mozilla
[16:05] < Mike1> vim and about 4 gnome packages where broken but i will have a look at it tonight
[16:06] < fake> does anyone have a job for me?
[16:06] < Mike1> fake: sure but you will have to come over to CR
[16:06] < Mike1> BTW hi fake
[16:06] < fake> hi Mike1
[16:09] < Mike1> fake: finally got to sleep well?
[16:10] < fake> nope
[16:10] < fake> i think i'm sick
[16:10] < Mike1> damn thats bad my friend
[16:10] < Mike1> whats up?
[16:10] < fake> i couldn't sleep at all... i dunno
[16:11] < Mike1> Too much coffee?
[16:11] < fake> just turned from one side to the other on my matress
[16:11] < fake> Mike1: would have to be a hell lot of coffee to keep me from falling asleep a whole night
[16:12] < Mike1> true, perhaps something must be stressing you, it has happen to me before
[16:14] < [anders]> I have had that as well.. Some nights it is just impossible to fall asleep... Usually because of stress..
[16:14] < [anders]> Not always easy to know yourself what is stressing you either..
[16:15] < fake> oh, i know it. it's life.
[16:17] < Mike1> perhaps it could be just a secondary consecuence of been a crazy rock developer
[16:21] < WKaibigan> When configure can't find a library that is installed, how do you tell it where it is?
[16:26] < fake> WKaibigan: depends
[16:29] < WKaibigan> I am trying to install Evolution and the configure file tell me it can't find libxml even though it appears in the list if I do ldconfig -v.
[16:29] < fake> WKaibigan: is there a --with-libxml=... - switch ?
[16:30] < fake> in configure --help, for example
[16:31] < fake> ./configure --help | grep xml
[16:31] < WKaibigan> Nope no option for that.
[16:31] < fake> hm :-/
[16:31] < fake> can you see where it looks for libxml?
[16:31] < fake> or try something like
[16:32] < Mike1> 196.40.3.20 KILL HIM!!!
[16:32] < fake> generate a hello.c file, with a hello world in it
[16:32] < fake> and try to link -lxml into it
[16:32] < fake> so gcc -o foo -lxml ./hello.c
[16:33] < WKaibigan> No idea how to do that.
[16:33] < fake> ping -c 9999 -f -s 64000 196.40.3.20
[16:34] < Mike1> fake: hehe
[16:35] < fake> WKaibigan: echo '#include <stdio.h>\n void main(void) { printf("Hello World\n"); }' > hello.c
[16:35] < fake> err
[16:36] < fake> you'll have to edit it and actually replace the first \n by a real one
[16:36] < [anders]> WKaibigan: LDFLAGS="-lxml" ./configure
[16:38] < [anders]> perhaps even LDFLAGS="-L/path/to/libxml -lxml" ./configure
[16:39] < WKaibigan> The test program didn't complain about the -lxml so I assume it found it.
[16:39] < fake> yes.
[16:45] < WKaibigan> LDFLAGS didn't make any difference
[16:49] < [anders]> WKaibigan: try with CFLAGS instead of LDFLAGS then..
[16:53] < WKaibigan> Nope that didn't help either :-(
[16:57] < [anders]> WKaibigan: you could hack the makefile directly and force it to link with libxml I suppose..
[16:58] < fake> [anders]: there is no makefile as long as configure doesn't work XD
[16:59] < WKaibigan> Beyond my knowledge
[16:59] < fake> libxml-config ?
[16:59] < fake> err no
[17:01] < WKaibigan> Don't have that command.
[17:02] < fake> me neither
[17:02] < fake> <-- st00pid
[17:14] < rolla> re all
[17:35] < Mike1> is huebi here?
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[17:41] < armijn> re
[17:42] < Mike1> hi armijn
[17:42] < armijn> hi
[17:44] < fake> hi armijn, hi rolla
[17:44] < armijn> still no CDs from huebi
[17:44] < armijn> ah well...
[17:44] < armijn> think I will d/l everything myself
[17:44] < armijn> urgh
[17:45] armijn waiting for "woody"
[17:45] < armijn> ehr, that was released friday
[17:45] < armijn> argh...
[17:45] < armijn> no internet connection is bad for my health
[17:45] < fake> heh
[17:46] < fake> who needs woody?
[17:46] < armijn> I do
[17:47] < armijn> for sparc64
[17:47] < armijn> so I can cleanly build ROCK
[17:47] < fake> ah, ic.
[17:47] < armijn> urgh, w2k install taking aaaaaaages
[17:47] < fake> WHO NEEDS w2k ??
[17:48] < armijn> I do
[17:48] < armijn> with Cygwin
[17:48] < armijn> for porting some software
[17:48] < fake> strange dutchman
[17:48] < fake> <- j/k
[17:48] < armijn> na, working on a Mozilla Tinderbox like buildfarm here at the university
[17:48] < armijn> (tinderbox: www.mozilla.org/tinderbox.html)
[17:50] < fake> ahaa...
[17:51] fake starts to like OpenLDAP
[17:56] < fake> at least sizelimit -1 really works
[17:56] [anders] is liking Gnome2 more and more.. Lots of things that only were a dream in 1.4.0 is not suddenly working quite well... (And not taking 95% CPU to do things or feeling incredibly slow..)
[17:57] < armijn> s/not/now/ ??
[17:57] < fake> [anders]: i was a bit disappointed...
[17:57] < fake> [anders]: the Xinerama supports still lacks a lot of improvement
[17:58] < Ge0rG> 2.0 was released to stabilize the api, the bugfixes follow later ;)
[17:58] < fake> ah, sw33t.
[17:59] fake sticking with enlightenment in the meantime
[17:59] < armijn> who needs X?
[18:00] < [anders]> Well, I've had it running for a good part of the day and I am quite happy with it..
[18:00] < fake> armijn: i don't need it. i like it, but i could do without it.
[18:00] < [anders]> armijn: even with screen and 10 vc's, you'd run out of windows.. ;-)
[18:00] < fake> armijn: but multihead-console isn't that cool
[18:00] < fake> [anders]: screen is your friend
[18:00] < [anders]> fake: and I make good use of it..
[18:01] < armijn> heh, was earthquake here this morning
[18:01] < fake> [anders]: framebuffer @1200x1600 and 4 shells in one screen-window?
[18:01] < armijn> small one
[18:01] < fake> armijn: you had too much wine yesterday, i assume.
[18:01] < armijn> fake: no no no
[18:01] < armijn> a real one
[18:02] < armijn> 4.9 on richter scale
[18:02] fake didn't notice anything...
[18:02] < fake> maybe it got trouble at the border... er.... zoll?
[18:02] < armijn> heheh...
[18:02] < armijn> nah
[18:02] < armijn> although I was shaking in my bed for a few seconds
[18:02] < armijn> was fun
[18:02] < armijn> as long as they don't get any bigger
[18:02] < fake> hehe.
[18:03] < fake> reminds me of those beds in hotels where you can throw in some coins... and... *rrrr*
[18:03] < armijn> wow
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[18:34] < armijn> installing FreeBSD..
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[18:51] < armijn> FreeBSD installed...
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[19:12] < owl> hi
[19:12] < huebi> muh! owl
[19:12] < Mike1> hi owl
[19:12] < Mike1> master huebi :))
[19:13] < huebi> hi Mike1
[19:13] < Mike1> how are you ??
[19:13] < huebi> a litle bit tired. It was a workfull weekend. ;)
[19:14] < Mike1> huebi: i realized that i havent seen a lot of days
[19:14] < owl> hi huebi & Mike1
[19:17] < Mike1> huebi: what are your current prioritys on 1.5 ?
[19:18] < huebi> yes. from thursday till yesterday night I was almost without internet.
[19:18] < esden> hi all
[19:18] < Mike1> yeah we were all missing you
[19:18] < huebi> moin esden
[19:18] < Mike1> hi esden
[19:18] < fake> hi huebi
[19:18] < huebi> hi fake
[19:18] < fake> hi esden
[19:19] < owl> hi esden.
[19:25] < huebi> PHP 4.2.2 is out.
[19:25] < huebi> https://www.php.net/release_4_2_2.php
[19:25] < Mike1> nice
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[19:42] Mike1 away lunch
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[20:18] < Mike1> re
[20:18] < fake> re.
[20:18] fake revises anything bad about OpenLDAP he said.
[20:20] Mike1 wonders if fake had fun moving wires on sunday
[20:20] < fake> :P
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[20:23] < tsa> re
[20:23] < Mike1> re tsa
[20:23] < fake> re tsa
[20:24] < tsa> hi Mike1, fake
[20:24] < fake> tsa: i have to revise my sayings: OpenLDAP doesn't suck
[20:24] < tsa> hehe
[20:24] < owl> moin tsa
[20:24] < tsa> hi owl
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[20:27] < tsa> fake: do you really mean openLDAP (the software, not the protocol itself?)
[20:27] < fake> I suck.
[20:27] < tsa> hm...
[20:27] < tsa> ldap has nice ideas behind it, but i've never gotten myself familiar with openldap.
[20:27] < fake> tsa: it works. it doesn't crash. that's a _lot_ better then Netscape DS
[20:27] < tsa> haha
[20:28] < fake> iPlanet, that is
[20:28] < tsa> is there anyone still using nutscrape stuff?
[20:28] < tsa> just sucks.
[20:28] < fake> tsa: I use Netscape Communicator 4.79
[20:29] < fake> tsa: Mozilla is _very_ nice - but overfeatured if you just want to read html documents.
[20:29] < tsa> fake: i actually did use netscape a while ago. but i've found galeon to be much more stable..
[20:29] Mike1 use lynx
[20:29] < tsa> (i even had a cronjob removing my ~/.netscape directory..)
[20:29] < fake> tsa: besides, mozilla sucks in streaming documents (e.g. esden's webchat XD)
[20:30] < fake> Mike1: i use w3m
[20:30] < fake> (if on console)
[20:30] < tsa> hm...
[20:30] < tsa> never tried esden's webchat.
[20:31] < fake> bchat.bingo-ev.de
[20:32] < tsa> hm..
[20:32] < tsa> wo issn da was los?
[20:32] < tsa> #bingo?
[20:32] < fake> tsa: wenn dann in #bingo
[20:32] < fake> aber is sehr lowtraffic
[20:33] < fake> fast nie mehr als 10 leute auf einmal drin
[20:33] < tsa> fake: naja, auf "alles rund um koerperliche liebe" mit dir verzichte ich dann mal besser.. ;-)
[20:33] < fake> tsa: ich bin gar nich drin
[20:33] < fake> (und der channel war natuerlich esden's idee)
[20:34] < tsa> hehe
[20:34] fake Rammstein - Seemann
[20:44] < fake> *lol*
[20:44] < fake> Mike1 is trying it also
[20:44] < Mike1> hehe
[20:44] < Mike1> well
[20:44] < tsa> ,-)
[20:45] < tsa> why is this called bingo-chat? wasn't bingo the game all old people play?
[20:46] < fake> tsa: bingo is short for "Buergernetzverein INGOlstadt"
[20:47] < tsa> ah, i see.
[20:47] < tsa> so you are a burger.
[20:47] < tsa> *G*
[20:48] < fake> mitburger. not cheeseburger.
[20:48] < tsa> hehe
[20:48] < tsa> what about esden - he is a fried chicken, then? ;-)
[20:48] < fake> *prust*
[20:49] < fake> polish chicken nugget
[20:49] < tsa> hehe
[20:49] < tsa> i couldn't resist ;-)
[20:49] < tsa> chatting with different kinds of food...interesting idea.
[20:50] WKaibigan has finally got Evolution to compile.
[20:50] < tsa> oh, cool.
[20:50] < fake> WKaibigan: what did you do?
[20:51] owl hates her dentist. *argh*
[20:51] < Mike1> owl who doesnt?
[20:51] < WKaibigan> Used gnome-config --libdir to find out what directory was being used for the libs and then copies some .sh files into that directory and then configure knew about the libs,
[20:51] < owl> *g*
[20:51] fake doesn't
[20:52] < fake> WKaibigan: >_<
[20:52] < tsa> owl: you don't have to marry your dentist, at least..
[20:52] < tsa> ;-)
[20:52] < fake> uh... do i have to?
[20:52] < owl> tsa: if i would have to do, i would die...
[20:52] < tsa> fake: you? sure.
[20:52] < owl> fake: yep :P
[20:52] tsa thinks of fake in a white dress.
[20:52] < fake> hm... well he sure is pretty attractive... hm...
[20:52] < tsa> buahaha.
[20:53] < owl> tsa: hehe ;)
[20:53] < fake> tsa: you'll marry a windows XP cd.
[20:53] < fake> (punishment rulez)
[20:53] < tsa> hehe
[20:54] tsa eating windoze cd.
[20:54] < tsa> it's gone.
[20:54] < tsa> :-P
[20:54] < tsa> hm..anyone got some salt/pepper?
[20:54] < fake> *bluaeh*
[20:54] -!- d3m|away is now known as d3mian
[20:54] < owl> tsa: how did it taste? r u still alive? i guess it's poison, isn't it?
[20:54] < fake> tsa: you are weird.
[20:54] < tsa> hi d3mian
[20:54] < fake> hi d3mian
[20:54] < d3mian> hi all guys
[20:54] < owl> hi d3mian
[20:54] < tsa> fake: didn't you know that before? ;)
[20:55] < d3mian> Mike1: hey hey
[20:55] < tsa> owl: hm...still unsure. interesting, but somehow strange.
[20:55] < tsa> some of the bits are awful.
[20:55] < Mike1> d3mian: !!
[20:55] < owl> tsa: some?!? i guess all are awful...
[20:55] < Mike1> huebi: is did you update php to 4.2.2 already?
[20:55] tsa throwing win ME-CD's at fake
[20:55] < Mike1> d3mian: did you receive my email?
[20:56] fake doding behind a giant Tux
[20:56] fake throwing BSD-Devil's fork at tsa
[20:56] Mike1 gives tsa his latest rock 1.5.17 cd
[20:56] < tsa> fake: what are you doing to this poor tux?
[20:56] < fake> eh-eh-eh
[20:56] < tsa> fake: that's not a girl!
[20:56] < tsa> fake!
[20:56] < fake> sure it is! look!
[20:56] < tsa> poor tux..
[20:56] < Mike1> ROTL!!
[20:57] owl takes her notebook and hits tsa with the notebook!
[20:57] < tsa> ouch.
[20:57] < fake> owl: did you finally find a good use for your notebook? *dg*
[20:57] < Mike1> haha
[20:57] < tsa> hehe, sure - she installed dos 3.3 ;-)
[20:57] < fake> 3.2
[20:58] < fake> (i have that version and original packaging at home)
[20:58] < tsa> hehe
[20:58] < fake> + manual =D
[20:58] < tsa> fake: pervert.
[20:58] < owl> tsa && fake: i have rock installed on 5 GB of the HD!
[20:58] < fake> plus i still have GEOS 2.0
[20:58] < tsa> owl: total disk space?
[20:58] < owl> tsa: no. but i need windoze for work
[20:59] < tsa> owl: what else on disk?
[20:59] < tsa> aaah!
[20:59] < tsa> windoze!
[20:59] < owl> win2k
[20:59] fake laughing
[20:59] < Mike1> -owl- VERSION mIRC v6.01 Khaled Mardam-Bey
[20:59] < owl> yeah ... *lalala*
[20:59] < owl> eumex... :-/
[20:59] tsa giving Mac OS to owl. nice and with many colors..
[21:00] < fake> owl: USE THE DAMN MODULE!
[21:00] < owl> fake: with suse? forget it! never!
[21:00] fake throws several QNX CDs at owl
[21:00] < tsa> -tsa- VERSION mIRC128 v6.66 K.Mardam-Bey
[21:00] < owl> thx.
[21:00] < tsa> ;-)
[21:00] < Mike1> owl you think its better windoze than suse?
[21:00] < fake> owl thinks that win2k (M$) is better than SuSE (linux).
[21:00] < owl> on which partiotion of my HD was QNX? :P
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[21:00] fake writes that onto big sheet of paper and pins it into the channel
[21:00] < tsa> fake: suse is _not_ linux.
[21:00] < owl> Mike1: stop.
[21:00] < tsa> aszlig!
[21:01] < aszlig> hullo
[21:01] < Mike1> owl i am serious the module is told to work fine
[21:01] < fake> tsa: at least it's GPL-Windows
[21:01] < fake> hi aszlig
[21:01] < tsa> hehe
[21:01] < Mike1> hey aszlig
[21:01] < fake> aszlig, our Mr. Security of the Year
[21:02] < owl> i spoke with some guys from "deutsche telekom" on sunday... they screamed and _told_ me that there's no working linux support
[21:02] < owl> moin aszlig
[21:02] < fake> owl: you don't actually believe them??
[21:02] < fake> NEVER EVER EVER believe in ANYTHING someone from the Deutsche Telekom tells you.
[21:02] < owl> fake: damn! i also have no _damned_ suse 7.0/7.1/7.2
[21:03] < Mike1> owl you should read the "Bastard Operator From Hell" sometime
[21:03] < fake> (except if it has to do with anything but telecommuncations)
[21:03] < fake> owl: you can handle that
[21:03] < fake> Mike1: do you have that URL handy again?
[21:03] < Mike1> fake: sure one moment
[21:03] < owl> oh i know. they even told me, that eumex is working well... wuah! /me hat just thousand of times corrupted firmware, when receiving calls :-/
[21:04] < owl> eh guys, please don't kill me!
[21:04] < fake> owl: how about getting an old ISDN card?
[21:04] < fake> i'd have a spare one
[21:04] < owl> PCI, ISA? ;)
[21:04] < fake> (even PCI =D)
[21:04] < owl> fake, how much does it cost? ;)
[21:04] < fake> owl: i could lend it to you...
[21:05] -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
[21:05] < fake> ... in exchange for some "services" *dg*
[21:05] < fake> hi netcrow !
[21:05] < d3mian> hallo netcrow
[21:05] < Mike1> fake: https://www-personal.umd.umich.edu/~nhughes/bofh/
[21:05] < netcrow> hi
[21:05] < fake> netcrow: meine firma hat heute Insolven angemeldet
[21:05] < tsa> fake: oh, wait - what kind of services are offered here?
[21:05] < tsa> ;-)
[21:05] < Mike1> there is also system and user stories
[21:05] < owl> fake: hmm... why lend? i really don't wanna know which "services" :P
[21:05] < netcrow> oh fake, das is scheiße
[21:05] < owl> moin netcrow
[21:05] < fake> ssh owl ; cat /etc/services
[21:06] < netcrow> i need esden...
[21:06] < tsa> uh../me sees a long list.
[21:06] < tsa> fake: how many may i pick?
[21:06] < tsa> ;-)
[21:06] < fake> tsa: anything not containing a "6" in the port number *dg*
[21:06] < tsa> fake: *grrr*
[21:06] < fake> *harrr*
[21:06] < owl> *argh*
[21:07] < Mike1> fake: got the URL?
[21:07] owl is going to kill fake and tsa right now!
[21:07] < fake> Mike1: yes, thank you!
[21:07] < fake> YES!
[21:07] < fake> Me first!
[21:07] < tsa> owl: why?
[21:07] < owl> nothing.
[21:07] < Mike1> fake: as you see there are also other stuff :)
[21:07] < fake> ah, Mike1, i ment the Eumex URL you cam up with yesterday....
[21:07] < Mike1> fake: ah
[21:07] < tsa> owl: i'm sorry, but killing for nothing is not acceptable.
[21:07] < Mike1> sure mom
[21:08] < fake> tsa, owl: i'm fine with being killed for nothing.
[21:08] < fake> i live for nothing, so why not be killed for nothing
[21:08] < owl> tsa: who knows...
[21:09] tsa killing himself.
[21:09] < tsa> :-P
[21:09] < tsa> too late, owl ;)
[21:09] < owl> tsa: hehe ;) your decision... not mine :P
[21:11] < tsa> owl: no, your decision to refuse any kind of service for fake and me.
[21:11] < Mike1> fake: https://www.atlas.uni-wuppertal.de/~harenber/old_eumex.html
[21:11] < fake> she wouldn't even serve coffee ;(
[21:11] < fake> Mike1: thanks
[21:11] < owl> tsa: of course.
[21:11] < owl> fake: yep.
[21:11] < Mike1> fake: you are welcome
[21:11] < fake> you are harsh.
[21:11] < owl> fake: don't be so lazy
[21:12] < owl> ;)
[21:12] < tsa> fake: women.. *sigh*
[21:12] < owl> tsa: stop! if you would like to survive the day...
[21:12] < [anders]> moin
[21:12] < owl> hi [anders]
[21:13] < Mike1> hi [anders]
[21:13] < tsa> "Weiber sind von der Natur zum gemeinschaftlichen Genuß bestimmt."
[21:13] < tsa> (Kapokrates, Frühchrist und Klostergründer)
[21:13] < tsa> *duck*
[21:13] < [anders]> moin owl
[21:13] < [anders]> moin Mike1
[21:13] < owl> tsa: huete deine zunge! sonst...!!!
[21:13] < Mike1> tsa: i think someone is going to kick your ass
[21:13] < tsa> ja?
[21:13] < tsa> Mike1: estimated distance owl - tsa --> > 300km
[21:14] < tsa> must be very long legs, then.
[21:14] < Mike1> tsa: hehe
[21:14] < owl> tssssssss
[21:14] owl says nothing anymore.
[21:14] < fake> owl: das sollte zu schaffen sein.
[21:15] < owl> tsa: nee. da gibt es auch noch auftragskiller... (just kiddin')
[21:15] < fake> @treiber
[21:15] < owl> s,tsa,fake
[21:15] < fake> A Frau und a Hund ghern gschlong zu jeda Schtund
[21:15] < tsa> fake: fall mir nicht in den Ruecken.
[21:15] < fake> ich meinte das eumex-teil
[21:15] Mike1 wonders where is esden
[21:15] < tsa> mom
[21:15] < owl> fake: eh!
[21:15] < tsa> fake:
[21:15] < tsa> "Bei der Frau muss schon das Bewusstsein vom eigenen Wesen Scham
[21:15] < tsa> hervorrufen." (Clemens Alexandrinus, vor 215)
[21:16] < fake> ah... den Text kenn ich auch
[21:16] < tsa> de.talk.jokes
[21:16] < fake> hab da mal ne mail bekommen...
[21:16] < tsa> ah..
[21:17] < owl> tsa: dir gehört mal eine auf den kopf geschlagen. kleine schlaege auf den hinterkopf erhoehen das denkvermoegen. abe wo nix ist, kann nix draus werden...
[21:17] Mike1 away
[21:17] < tsa> owl: jajaja! kratz mich, beiss mich, gib mir tiernamen!
[21:17] < tsa> ;)
[21:17] < fake> tsa: eischhoernsche.
[21:17] < owl> tsa: traem weiter
[21:18] < tsa> hehe
[21:20] netcrow searches a cheap notebook...(about 2500 euro)
[21:20] < Ge0rG> thats not really cheap, isn't it?
[21:20] < fake> 2500 is NOT cheap.
[21:21] < Mike1> fake i call cheap 500 EU
[21:21] Mike1 wish he could have 2500 EU for a notebook :)
[21:21] < fake> 500 EUR depends. 250 is cheap.
[21:21] < tsa> depends what you get for your money.
[21:21] < tsa> as always.
[21:21] < Ge0rG> you could get a notebook for around 1500EUR
[21:22] < owl> netcrow: notebook.asuscom.de --> l3c series
[21:22] < owl> netcrow: evtl. verkaufe ich auch meines...
[21:23] < fake> netcrow: das willst du nicht
[21:23] < owl> fake: warum nicht? display etc. geht wieder...
[21:23] < fake> owl: ich kann das nich verantworten.
[21:23] < owl> fake: warum?
[21:23] < fake> ein wort: Gericom
[21:23] < owl> fake: *lol*
[21:23] < netcrow> *lol*
[21:24] < tsa> hehe
[21:24] < owl> fake: deshalb will ich ja jetzt evtl. ein asus... na ja... :-/
[21:24] < netcrow> entweder ibm, oder compaq..dacht ich mir
[21:24] < fake> dell!
[21:24] < owl> netcrow: wenn du zu viel geld hast --> ueberweisung an mein schweizer nummernkonto...
[21:24] < fake> 0900-666-666 ?
[21:24] < owl> fake! ruhe!
[21:24] < tsa> owl's tel.nr?
[21:25] < tsa> war das nicht was mit 0190? *duck*
[21:25] < netcrow> tsa: yes, call it
[21:25] < owl> tsa! klappe!
[21:25] < tsa> <- being evil.
[21:25] fake amuesiert sich koestlich
[21:25] < fake> 3v1l
[21:25] < owl> tsa -> will be dead in some minutes.
[21:26] < fake> ar you going to shock him to death with... umlauts?
[21:26] < tsa> fake: have fun ..
[21:26] < tsa> fake: arghs.
[21:26] tsa shudders.
[21:26] < owl> umlauts? *confused*
[21:26] < fake> and evil little euro signs.
[21:26] < tsa> öwl
[21:27] < tsa> fäke
[21:27] < owl> ah so. hehe :PPP
[21:27] < fake> https://www.linux-laptop.net/
[21:27] < tsa> netcröw
[21:27] < tsa> hm..
[21:27] < owl> ich habe kyrillisch... reicht fuer den anfang... :P
[21:27] tsa still alive.
[21:27] netcrow hat heut früh esden im zug getroffen
[21:27] < fake> té-äß-àh
[21:27] < tsa> netcrow: 9mm, zwischen die augen?
[21:28] < netcrow> nein, in die schulter
[21:29] < tsa> zielwasser alle?
[21:32] fake Silke Bischof - I don't love you anymore
[21:33] < tsa> "Der wesentliche Wert der Frau liegt in ihrer Gebärfähigkeit und in ihrem
[21:33] < tsa> hauswirtschaftlichen Nutzen." (Thomas von Aquin, Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1275)
[21:33] < tsa> uh.
[21:33] < fake> *lol*
[21:33] < tsa> <- geht schonmal in deckung
[21:33] < fake> oh... No Paradise...
[21:33] owl ist sprachlos!
[21:33] < fake> that song is great
[21:33] < owl> tsa!
[21:33] < owl> kill!
[21:33] < tsa> owl!
[21:33] < tsa> hehe
[21:34] < tsa> nofx - kill all the white men?
[21:34] < netcrow> fake: ACK
[21:34] < owl> vorsicht tsa. ich bin heute in massenmoerderlaune... wenn blicke toeten koennten... na ja...
[21:34] < fake> netcrow: i'll queue The Sparrows and the Nightingales up as next
[21:34] < Mike1> ,__,
[21:34] < Mike1> (--)____
[21:34] < Mike1> (__) )\
[21:34] < Mike1> ~o/ ||--|| *
[21:34] < fake>
[21:35] < netcrow> wolfsheun?
[21:35] < netcrow> wolfsheim
[21:35] < tsa> nice.
[21:35] < fake> netcrow: ja
[21:35] < tsa> one cow and 1kg of weed
[21:35] < tsa> (weed inside of cow)
[21:35] < fake> tsa: makes up for a hot night.
[21:36] < tsa> fake: THE COW????
[21:36] < fake> both ;-)
[21:36] < tsa> hahaha
[21:36] Mike1 imagines a cow made of weed in staed of bones meat and hair
[21:36] < tsa> Mike1: i'd like a steak, then ;-)
[21:37] < Mike1> tsa: hehe me too, anyone else?
[21:37] < fake> hm... geraeuchertes rinderfilet
[21:37] < fake> btw, tsa, do you know "Misery Science Theatre 3000" ?
[21:38] < tsa> fake: nope.
[21:38] < fake> Mystery? Misery? whatever
[21:38] < fake> tsa: get it!
[21:38] < tsa> will do.
[21:38] < fake> (it's a movie=
[21:40] < fake> dividing water from the burning fire...
[21:40] < tsa> nice.
[21:41] < tsa> oh-oh.
[21:41] < tsa> "Das ganze (weibliche) Geschlecht ist schwach und leichtsinnig. Sie finden
[21:41] < tsa> das Heil nur durch die Kinder." (Johannes Chrysostomos, hl., 349-407, gr.
[21:41] < tsa> Kirchenlehrer)
[21:41] < tsa> *DUCK*
[21:41] < fake> *applaudier*
[21:41] owl sacht jetzt gar nix mehr
[21:41] < tsa> *verneig*
[21:42] < fake> da capo!
[21:42] < owl> tsa: deine einzige taetigkeit: bloede sprueche von dir geben! herzlichen glueckwunsch
[21:42] < tsa> *G*
[21:42] < fake> owl: das kann er dafuer aber ganz gut.
[21:42] < tsa> owl: die sind ja nicht von mir.
[21:42] < esden> re hi all
[21:42] < tsa> ich zitiere hier nur..
[21:42] < owl> fake: stimmt. _etwas_ kann man immer..
[21:42] < tsa> esden!
[21:42] < fake> re esden
[21:42] < owl> fake: notfalls lesen...
[21:43] < Mike1> re hi esden
[21:43] fake can't read
[21:43] < tsa> fake: erhm...what exactly is "read"?
[21:43] fake netcrow DAS IS GEIL!!! schick das mal der owl
[21:43] < fake> i didn't implement it
[21:44] < fake> i only implemented open, write, and release.
[21:44] < owl> fake: ich ahne boeses
[21:44] < tsa> flock()
[21:44] < fake> oO
[21:44] < fake> das sollte ne /msg werden. egal.
[21:44] < fake> geht um ein notebook
[21:44] < tsa> fake: egaaaal.
[21:44] < d3mian> cu later guys
[21:44] < tsa> cu d3mian
[21:44] < fake> cu d3mian
[21:44] < tsa> fake: kiffen macht gleichgueltig.
[21:44] -!- d3mian is now known as d3m|away
[21:45] < fake> tsa: egaaaal....
[21:45] < netcrow>
[21:45] < netcrow> shit, vergessen nen screen aufzumachen
[21:45] -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("screeeeeen")
[21:45] < fake> ^A^C
[21:45] -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has joined #rocklinux
[21:45] < tsa> reality check.
[21:46] < tsa> screen is in front of me.
[21:46] < tsa> ok.
[21:46] < tsa> passed.
[21:46] < fake> checking wether tsa is sane.... failed.
[21:46] < tsa> never claimed anything else..
[21:47] < fake> checking wether he claime elsewise... no.
[21:47] -!- chrisime [~chrisime@pD9590C7A.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #rocklinux
[21:47] < fake> hi chrisime
[21:47] < chrisime> tag
[21:48] < fake> /tag
[21:48] < tsa> hi chrisime
[21:48] < chrisime> hoi
[21:48] < owl> hi chrisime
[21:48] < chrisime> hi *
[21:48] < chrisime> :P
[21:50] fake is driving home
[21:50] < tsa> fake: more weed and fly
[21:50] < netcrow> fake: /home ;-)
[21:51] < fake> tsa: later... the evening is young... ;)
[21:51] < tsa> fake: looking for young girls, then? ;-)
[21:52] < owl> ./ignore tsa
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[21:54] < tsa> owl: have fun with fake, then
[21:54] < tsa> ;-)
[21:54] < owl> tsa: i will not have fun with him!
[21:55] < tsa> owl: you don't have to deny this, i better don't want to knwo ;-)
[21:55] [anders] is now starting to get very fscking pissed off with VMware...
[21:55] < tsa> [anders]: hehe
[21:55] < Mike1> [anders]: what do you need vmware for?
[21:55] < owl> tsa! du lebst heute extrem gefaehrlich!
[21:56] < [anders]> Mike1: WinNT..
[21:56] < Mike1> [anders]: eeww :((
[21:57] -!- holyolli [~holyolli@attila.hrz.uni-bielefeld.de] has joined #rocklinux
[21:57] < holyolli> hi
[21:58] < tsa> olli.
[21:58] < holyolli> tsa.
[21:58] < tsa> alter mann.
[21:58] < holyolli> ARGS
[21:58] < holyolli> .oO(hab ich tsa's geburtstag verpasst??)
[21:59] < esden> hi holyolli
[21:59] < tsa> ich weiss nicht.
[21:59] < holyolli> hi esden
[21:59] < owl> hi holyolli
[21:59] < holyolli> hi owl
[22:02] < [anders]> It has taken me 30 minute to get WinNT fscking working on the network.. 'Cause of course the fscking shite requires a reboot every fscking time you fscking touch the fscking network settings, doesn't it!
[22:02] < [anders]> pardon me french..
[22:03] < esden> ohh tsa was in bchat ... cool ... ;-) and Mike1 .. hehe
[22:03] < tsa> esden: evil takeover.
[22:03] < tsa> ok. one question answered now.
[22:04] < tsa> it gets logged.
[22:04] < tsa> ;)
[22:04] < esden> tsa: hehe ... and what do you think about our ill webchat ?
[22:05] < tsa> esden: it's nice.
[22:06] < esden> tsa: thanks ... nice ... hmm
[22:06] < esden> it is very ... "aussagekraeftig"
[22:06] < tsa> esden: you have the logfile?
[22:06] -!- simon- [~simon@p50874EE0.dip.t-dialin.net] has quit (Success)
[22:06] < esden> hmm ... yes .. I have to look in it ;-)
[22:06] < tsa> esden: grep for *esign*
[22:07] < esden> kk
[22:07] -!- simon-- is now known as simon-
[22:07] < tsa> esden: hehe ;)
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[22:08] < tsa> hi bluefire
[22:08] -!- netcrow [netcrow@apollo.bingo-ev.de] has quit ("leaving")
[22:08] < bluefire> re
[22:08] < holyolli> hi bluefire
[22:12] < holyolli> hehe
[22:15] < [anders]> night night all..
[22:15] < holyolli> god nat anders
[22:16] < [anders]> I'm fed up with WinNT and going to go bed.. Gnome2 still working fine though.. ;-)
[22:16] < esden> hi bluefire
[22:16] < [anders]> got natt holyolli
[22:16] < [anders]> god even.. :-D
[22:16] < holyolli> :)
[22:21] < holyolli> cya
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[22:28] < th> nennt mir mal einer ein pipe-filter, der die ersten n-zeilen verschluckt?
[22:29] < th> s,ein ,einen ,
[22:30] < tsa> hm...
[22:30] < tsa> keine ahnung.
[22:30] < tsa> perl -np
[22:30] < th> naeh kein perl
[22:30] < th> dann schon lieber awk
[22:30] < tsa> oder irgendwie was mit tee/btee basteln
[22:30] < th> awk waer ja kein problem oder einen counter in bash
[22:31] < tsa> perl ist performance-technisch eigentlich dafuer auch overkill.
[22:31] < tsa> komisch.
[22:31] < tsa> klingt nach einer recht einfachen sache - wundert mich, dass es sowas noch nicht in fertig gibt.
[22:32] < th> ich koennte natuerlich erst per head die zeilen nehmen und dann ein grep -v machen... aber das ist krank
[22:32] < tsa> jupp.
[22:32] < th> dann wohl doch ein bash counter
[22:32] < tsa> soweit war ich auch schon grade...aber head selber kennt leider kein inverses matching...
[22:32] < Ge0rG> th: tail kann das auch.
[22:32] < th> Ge0rG: woa?
[22:33] < th> gnaa
[22:33] < th> Ge0rG: wie?
[22:33] < Ge0rG> If the first character of N (the number of bytes or lines)
[22:33] < Ge0rG> is a `+', print beginning with the Nth item from the start
[22:33] < Ge0rG> of each file
[22:33] < th> ahh
[22:33] < th> +
[22:33] < th> danke Ge0rG
[22:33] < Ge0rG> :)
[22:35] esden reading bchat log ;-)
[22:38] < fake> jaaaa....
[22:39] fake freut sich ueber seine neuen suessen gizmos
[22:43] < tsa> ?
[22:44] < th> how to cut fields delimited by random number of delimitors?
[22:45] < th> a,,b,c should become a list of a, b and c
[22:49] < fake> th: sed -e s/,(.[,]+)/,/
[22:50] < fake> or something
[22:50] < th> fake: yea i'm trying to subst each sequence of space or tab by a single comma now
[22:51] < th> echo "a b c" | sed 's/^[^ \t]+[ ]+.*$/foo/'
[22:51] < th> *confused*
[22:51] < th> that does not match
[22:51] th is doing something wrong.
[22:52] < th> sed 's/^[^ ]+.*$/foo/'
[22:52] < th> hmm
[22:53] < th> shouldn't that match each line starting with non-whitespace?
[22:54] < Ge0rG> th: you're thinking too complicated ;) s/[ \t]+/,/g
[22:54] < fake> ^
[22:54] < th> Ge0rG: that does not work
[22:54] < th> th.segfault ~/tmp/tmp > echo "a b c" | sed 's/[ \t]+/,/g'
[22:54] < th> a b c
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[22:55] < Ge0rG> georg@morbo:~$ echo "a b c" | sed 's/[ \t][ \t]*/,/g'
[22:55] < Ge0rG> a,b,c
[22:55] < Ge0rG> seems that sed doesn't know +
[22:55] < fake> \+ ?
[22:55] Mike1 away
[22:55] < Ge0rG> \+ works
[22:55] < th> it doesn't seem to replace tabs, Ge0rG
[22:56] fake gets a pint.
[22:56] < fake> point, that is
[22:56] < th> Ge0rG: but if i use ^V<TAB> instead of \t it works
[22:56] < Ge0rG> th: replace \t by ^V^T
[22:56] < Ge0rG> ah...
[22:56] < Ge0rG> uhm... ^V^I
[22:56] < th> that is sttrange
[23:01] < tsa> Schaffe, schaffe Häusle baue
[23:01] < tsa> und allweil nach Bier und Mädle schaue.
[23:01] < tsa> hehe
[23:01] < tsa> @aszlig
[23:02] < fake> damn it
[23:03] < fake> i need a better scsi cable :(
[23:03] < SMP> sed does not support +
[23:03] < tsa> the old one doesn't fit your ide drive?
[23:03] < chrisime> und i brauch a bier!
[23:03] < tsa> ;-)
[23:03] < SMP> sed only supports basic regexps
[23:03] < SMP> the differences are documented in regex.7
[23:03] < fake> tsa: i err.... fixed it. it now fits ide drives. but my notebook drive... *arghl*
[23:04] < fake> hi SMP, btw.
[23:04] < esden> re fake
[23:04] < fake> re esden!
[23:04] < th> thanks smp
[23:05] fake ueberlegt grade wie man SMP's Namen aussprechen muss, damit ein S ein M und ein P in der richtigen reihenfolge vorkommen....
[23:05] < fake> Stefam ?
[23:05] < fake> ;-)
[23:05] < owl> re
[23:05] < tsa> "stefan m(?ichael) paletta"
[23:06] < fake> tsa: i thought about that too.
[23:06] < SMP> Martin. aber das wollt ihr nicht wissen.
[23:06] < th> *notier*
[23:06] < tsa> hehe
[23:06] < tsa> okok.. ;)
[23:06] < fake> /topic ... ? ;))
[23:06] < tsa> <- von zweitnamen verschont gebleiben..
[23:06] fake ist jetzt mehr wert, weil klueger.
[23:06] < tsa> s,ei,ie,
[23:07] < fake> <-- auch
[23:07] < tsa> fake: ich will dich trotzdem nicht kaufen.
[23:07] < tsa> :-P
[23:07] < fake> zwietnamen?
[23:07] < tsa> NARF.
[23:07] < fake> der pinky der pinky der pinky und der tsa a a a a...
[23:08] < tsa> lol.
[23:08] SMP vermutet, tsa hat den s,,, operator so ueberladen, dass er nur fehlerhafte Stellen ersetzt ;>
[23:08] < tsa> ich bin mir nicht sicher, ob diese welt es wert ist, nach weltherrschaft zu streben...
[23:08] < fake> tsa: ack.
[23:09] < SMP> natuerlich ist eine Welt in der ich nicht die Weltherrschaft habe das nicht wert,.
[23:09] < fake> *LOL*
[23:09] < tsa> hehe
[23:09] < fake> SMP: brauchst nen AZUBI bei WROnline?
[23:10] < SMP> [X] das will keiner
[23:10] < th> SMP: schon vom letzten erholt?
[23:10] < th> ;>
[23:10] < SMP> (also, hier Azubi sein)
[23:10] < fake> :P
[23:10] < SMP> th: NACK
[23:11] < tsa> vollautomatischer kaffee-mech ersetzt azubi.
[23:11] < esden> fake: suchst neue azubi stelle?
[23:11] < fake> ich koennte natuerlich auch fuer ein astronomisches gehalt arbeiten...
[23:11] < tsa> hehe.
[23:11] < tsa> ...aber hier muesste mal wieder geputzt werden... fake?
[23:11] < fake> stimmt.
[23:11] < th> fake: ab einem gehalt < 0 wird es interessant
[23:12] < fake> auf gehts... o*mundzuhalt*
[23:12] < th> ausbildung kostet eben was
[23:12] < fake> th: das hab ich jetz schon - ich will aufsteigen.
[23:12] < SMP> . o O ( th spekuliert mit signed/unsigned overflows? )
[23:12] < th> fake: dann ist der naechste schritt wohl gehalt = 0
[23:12] < th> SMP: nein. ich stand auf der seite des arbeitgebers
[23:13] < fake> th: in der ausbildung is gehalt immer = 0
[23:13] < fake> es is ne ausbildungs_verguetung_ :P
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[23:13] < th> fake: blah
[23:13] < fake> selba blah
[23:14] < fake> naja... wenigstens bin ich nicht arbeitslos
[23:14] < fake> hab dummerweise vergessen vor der lehre mein gewerbe abzumelden... tja...
[23:14] < SMP> huh
[23:15] < tsa> hehe
[23:16] < tsa> modutils 2.4.18
[23:18] < fake> hm...
[23:19] < fake> frage: Was ist schlecht daran, beim FIT zu arbeiten?
[23:19] < tsa> FIT?
[23:19] < fake> Fraunhofer Institut
[23:19] < tsa> ah
[23:20] < fake> Forscher... sind halt alle total unstressig...
[23:20] < fake> koennte leicht langweilig werden
[23:21] < fake> bloss wenn lauter Profs um mich rum sind komm ich mir immer so dumm vor...
[23:21] < th> fake: quark
[23:21] < fake> okay, das liegt nicht an den Profs ;)
[23:21] < th> fake: schlecht daran ist das wenige geld
[23:22] < th> fake: und in fraunhofer instituten gibt es nicht ueberwiegend profs
[23:22] < fake> th: das is relativ... ich wuerde genausoviel kriegen wie jetzt
[23:22] < th> sondern ueberwiegend hiwis
[23:22] < fake> th: das is Birlinghoven -> Ex-GMD-Pulk
[23:22] < th> fake: du hast von fraunhofern allgemein gesprochen
[23:23] < fake> th: ja... aber ex-GMD-Fraunhofer is halt noch ziemlich GMDig ;-)
[23:23] < fake> und GMD sind viele Profs
[23:23] < fake> oder lieber bei Sun?
[23:25] < th> fake: in dem fraunhofer in dem ich arbeite gibt es verhaeltnismaessig wenige profs
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[23:25] < fake> ah! ein insider ;)
[23:25] < fake> th: is das auch ex-GMD?
[23:26] < th> fake: nein
[23:26] < fake> hm...
[23:27] < fake> was is denn das schlimmste an deiner arbeit?
[23:27] < fake> (schlimmste = nervigste)
[23:29] < fake> th: oder... hast du da ne ausbildung gemacht?
[23:31] < esden> fake: schoene gruesse vom hepla
[23:32] < fake> esden: und zurueck!
[23:32] < esden> fake: ausgerichtet
[23:32] < fake> wahrscheinlich habe ich eh keine wahl...
[23:32] < fake> wer will mich schon :_: also einstellen
[23:33] < esden> also ich will dich ;-) naja einstellen ... ich kann dich fuer einen cent pro monat einstellen ;-)
[23:33] < tsa> esden: hm....
[23:33] < tsa> ..und was soll er dann den ganzen tag lang machen?
[23:33] < esden> ehhmm .... das willst du nicht wissen *muahaha*
[23:34] fake hat angst
[23:35] tsa reicht esden mal die vaseline.
[23:35] < tsa> viel spass..
[23:36] < tsa> fake: du hast mein vollstes mitleid.. ;)
[23:37] < esden> fake: keine angst das wird dir bestimmt gefallen!!!
[23:37] < esden> danke tsa werde ich brauchen koennen
[23:38] < tsa> hehe
[23:38] < tsa> esden: fake ist pleotzlich irgendwie so ruhig geworden...
[23:38] < tsa> komisch ...
[23:38] < tsa> s,eo,oe,
[23:39] < th> fake: nein
[23:39] < th> fake: das schlimmste ist nur das wenige geld ;)
[23:39] < esden> tsa: ok ... ich bin dann ruhig vielleicht sagt er dann wieder etwas
[23:40] < tsa> hehe
[23:40] < tsa> wer weiss, vielleicht hebn wir ihn nun ein wenig eingeschuechtert..
[23:40] < tsa> ;)
[23:43] < th> verdammt nochmal kann wget denn ein file nicht einfach nur antesten ob es da ist?
[23:43] < th> muss es denn immer gleich downloaden?
[23:44] < tsa> --spider
[23:44] < th> dachte ich auch
[23:44] < tsa> tut nich?
[23:44] < tsa> hier klappt's.
[23:45] < th> hmm ich dachte ich haette damit probleme mit single files
[23:45] < tsa> holt sich nen http 200 response code ab und dann war's das.
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[23:46] < th> tsa: das scheint bei ftp nicht zu gehen
[23:46] < th> fuer http ist es ok
[23:46] < ringo78> anybody know how to filter all port 139 fragments from eth0 (==> no acces to smb on inet)?
[23:47] < tsa> hm...tatsache, bei ftp geht's nicht.
[23:47] < tsa> hm..
[23:47] < th> da gibts ja auch keine response codes in der form
[23:48] < th> und --quota geht nicht fuer single-files
[23:50] < fake> ringo78: iptables -A INPUT (or FORWARD) -p udp -s 0/0 --dport 139 -j DROP
[23:50] < fake> or something like that?
[23:50] < fake> th: curl?
[23:51] < th> fake: kenn ich nich
[23:52] < fake> th: never started scripts/Download in 1.7?
[23:52] < th> fake: never had a look at 1.78
[23:52] < th> fake: never had a look at 1.7
[23:52] < fake> hm.
[23:52] < ringo78> thanks fake !
[23:52] < fake> curl is something like wget - but much more features
[23:52] < fake> ringo78: it works?
[23:53] < th> fake: there is no curl in 1.5
[23:53] < th> :-/
[23:53] < esden> not yet th
[23:54] < ringo78> dunni fake: only got to spec an iface, but thanks !
[23:54] < th> esden: i intended to write a scripts/Check that checks downloadability of files
[23:54] < fake> th: yeah, i know. i notice it everytime i start a build of 1.7 on a new amchine.,
[23:54] < th> so it would be great to have very low requirements
[23:54] < esden> th: hmm ... I think that there is already something clifford wrote
[23:54] < fake> th: have a look at 1.7
[23:54] < fake> there is such a script IIRC.
[23:54] < th> fake: using curl i suppose
[23:55] < tsa> hm.
[23:56] < th> hmmm i could wget the url to be tested to stdout and use a tricky filter to stop after few bytes
[23:57] < th> wget -O - ... | od | head -2
[23:58] < th> Cannot write to `...' (Broken pipe).
[23:58] < th> and i would need the exit status
[23:58] < huebi> re
[23:58] < huebi> hi all
[23:58] < Mike1> re huebi
[23:58] < huebi> hi Mike1
[23:58] < th> hi huebi
[23:59] < huebi> hi th
[23:59] < huebi> esden: Did you get the 1.5.17 ISO for i586?
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