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00:07 < huebi> Strike! I just configured an Internetgateway in the Nuernberg area. After reboot it came back. kool
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00:31 < th> wie krieg ich das home von einem user raus?
00:31 < fake> echo /etc/passwd | grep $USERNAME
00:31 < th> fake: nich wenns nis is
00:32 < fake> stimmt.
00:32 < fake> su - $USERNAME
00:32 < th> fake: und nich wenns einen user gibt der aehnlich heisst
00:32 < fake> pwd
00:32 < th> gibts keinen getpwnam wrapper?
00:32 < fake> not that i know of
00:37 < th> diesen ~user mechanismus gibts wohl auch nur in der commandline
00:38 < th> man muss doch in der shell testen koennen, ob ein user-home existiert
00:39 < th> finger koennte helfen
00:39 < fake> stimmt.
00:40 * fake geht ki^Hnacken
00:41 < fake> byq.
00:41 < fake> bye.
00:41 < huebi> cu fake
00:42 < th> finger -m -p th | head -2 | tail +2 | cut -f1 | cut -d' ' -f2
00:42 < th> that's it '_
00:42 < th> that's it ;)
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00:54 < argh> re
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01:00 < huebi> moin holyolli 
01:00 < holyolli> hi huebi
01:01 < owl> hi holyolli
01:01 < holyolli> hi owl
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01:01 < ringo78> hai all !
01:01 < holyolli> hi ringo
01:01 < huebi> holyolli: hast du dir schon mal qt auf alpha angesehen? Das funktioniert/compiliert nicht.
01:01 < holyolli> huebi: das stimmt. hab mich aber bisher noch erfolgreich drum gedr|ckt... ;)
01:01 < holyolli> gedrueckt even
01:02 < huebi> hehe
01:02 < holyolli> huebi: aber wenn du willst, kannst du auch selber nachsehen
01:02 < huebi> muss nicht sein...
01:03 < holyolli> *g*
01:03 < holyolli> ich werd mal danach schauen, wenn ich aus /dev/urlaub wieder da bin
01:03 < huebi> wann ist das
01:03 < huebi> ?
01:03 < holyolli> am 03.08. bin ich wieder daheim
01:03 < holyolli> bis dahin ist es eher schlecht, weil ich ueber 33.6er modem arbeiten muss
01:03 < holyolli> =)
01:03 < huebi> ok
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01:04 < holyolli> ?
01:05 < holyolli> ww
01:05 < huebi> hae?
01:05 < holyolli> falsches fenster
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01:23 < Mike1> re
01:23 < holyolli> re mike
01:23 < huebi> re Mike1 
01:24 < Mike1> huebi: how did you go with the sparc report?
01:25 < huebi> Mike1: I did not start it yet. I installed an internetgateway a few hundred kilometres from here.
01:25 < Mike1> huebi very nice
01:25 < ringo78> Mike: Thanks for the info about masq (2weeks ago or so it works).
01:26 < huebi> indeed. and it came back online after reboot.
01:26 < Mike1> ringo78: sure you are welcome
01:26 < Mike1> huebi: cool
01:27 < huebi> And it uses dyndns.org for it's dynamic IP address.
01:27 < Mike1> huebi: i need to get more sparc hardware to develop, but the SUN reps in central america just a bunch of lame lazy b@stardz
01:27 < Mike1> huebi: sounds very nice
01:28 < huebi> just a bunch of lame lazy b@stardz <- same here *g*
01:28 * owl leaves you now
01:29 < Mike1> huebi: yet you can still get cheap and nice sparc hardware, i cant :((
01:29 < Mike1> n8 praenti
01:29 < owl> gn8
01:29 < Mike1> damn n8 owl
01:29 < huebi> nacht owl 
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01:48 * Mike1-d3mian rebooting see you in an hour
01:48 * Mike1-d3mian has to try to build 1.5.17 after reboot
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01:50 < holyolli> cya
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01:59 < tsa> n8
01:59 < huebi> n8 tsa 
01:59 < tsa> *gaehn*
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02:10 < ringo78> why does this not work (slashes before spaces in spaced names ?)  slashed=`echo $i | tr ' ' \\' '`
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03:14 < Mike1> re
03:14 < Mike1> anyone awake?
03:14 < huebi> jo
03:14 < Mike1> great
03:14 < Mike1> just the person i was looking for
03:14 < Mike1> :)
03:15 < Mike1> how do i use ./scripts/Create-CD to create my rock-15.17-base+dir.iso?
03:15 < Mike1> base+opt*
03:15 < Mike1> somehow its creats a 4mb iso only
03:15 < huebi> ./scripts/Create-CD ia32 i686 base e.g
03:15 < Mike1> nice mom
03:16 < Mike1> lets see if it works :)
03:17 < Mike1> huebi: how far are we from getting boot iamges with reiserfs and ext3 support?
03:17 < Mike1> not sure what is ur list of priorities
03:17 < huebi> 2 days of concentrated work or so.
03:18 < huebi> first priority is linux*
03:18 < Mike1> huebi: if you give me some guidelines i can contribute on this
03:18 < Mike1> huebi: perhaps you can go for linux i can go for the isos :)
03:18 < Mike1> i mean images*
03:19 < huebi> ok lets see tomorrow.
03:19 < Mike1> sure :)
03:19 * Mike1 amazed to see huebi awake this late
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03:22 < Mike1> huebi: [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]# du -sh rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.17-Mike.iso 
03:22 < Mike1> 688M	rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.17-Mike.iso
03:22 < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]# 
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03:23 < Mike1> brb rebooting again
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03:35 < Mike1> re
03:35 < Mike1> huebi: still awake?
03:35 < huebi> re Mike1 
03:36 < Mike1> :)
03:36 < Mike1> huebi: did you had any issues building vim?
03:36 < huebi> no, it worked fine.
03:36 < Mike1> after we moved it to base and the source was conf file was cleaned?
03:36 < Mike1> huebi: funny in my rock 1.5.16 it didnt recognize he tarball
03:36 < huebi> only copying the vimrc did not work.
03:37 < Mike1> huebi: yes because vim dir does not exist
03:37 < huebi> update the vim.* files
03:37 < Mike1> yes i will have to update a few things
03:38 < Mike1> also i have a stupid question
03:38 < huebi> Mike1: only unasked questions are stupid.
03:39 < Mike1> some gnome packages broke on stage 3 but didnt brake on stage 5, why?
03:39 < Mike1> will they be missing on my iso?
03:41 < huebi> normaly not. Upgrade to the actuall cvs with "cvs up -dP". Many budfixes are in there.
03:42 < Mike1> huebi: ok i will do that :)
03:42 < Mike1> i am hapy thoguth only 5 packages broke
03:42 < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/changelog
03:43 < Mike1> and it helped me realize that vim had to be fixed which is good :)
03:46 < huebi> <- burning a video CD
03:46 < Mike1> huebi: nice, good stuff on it?
03:46 < huebi> I hope so
03:47 < Mike1> music videos? or movies?
04:01 * Mike1 fetching rock-1.5 cvs tree
04:01 < Mike1> huebi: i will test it tonight hopefuly i will come back with some patches and stuff tomorrow
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04:13 < Mike1> hallo Freak
04:15 < Freak> hey there Mike
04:15 < huebi> https://vcdgrab.sourceforge.net/ <- This works to get the .mpg out of the bin/cue files.
04:15 < huebi> hi Freak 
04:15 < Mike1> huebi: danke mein freund
04:16 < huebi> Mike1: you're welcome ;-)
04:16 < Freak> hmmmmm
04:17 < Mike1> huebi: i will test in 1/2 a bit a let you know how it works :)
04:24 < huebi> Mike1: It's in german and vcdgrab works fine.
04:24 < Mike1> huebi: so you are decided to make me learn german arent you?
04:24 < Mike1> >_<
04:25 < huebi> *g*
04:25 < Freak> "it works fine installing programs with YaST2 .. but when I download things.. I don't know how to do that."
04:26 < Freak> "explain it to me, I'm lame."
04:26 < Freak> ...
04:26 < Mike1> Freak: WTF is yast2?
04:26 < Freak> I gave him an answer he won't forget ;)
04:26 < Freak> Mike1: Yet another Setup Tool, SuSEs RPM (and other things') manager
04:27 < Freak> s/SuSEs/SuSE's;
04:27 < Mike1> Freak: oh yeah suse crappy stuff
04:27 < Freak> heh
04:31 < Mike1> freak rpm -e yast
04:31 < Mike1> rpm -e yast2
04:31 < Mike1> rpm -e sax
04:31 < Mike1> rpm -e sax2
04:31 < Mike1> rpm -e rpm
04:31 < Mike1> :)
04:31 < Freak> hmm heh
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04:43 < Mike1> huebi: /me still downloading 
04:44 < huebi> Mike1: /me too ;-)
04:44 < Mike1> hehe
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07:16 < Mike1> see you later guys
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07:24 < [anders]> rrrrrfffff!! kernel 2.4.19-rc3 has no support for CRAMFS initrd's and they have been stripping things out of devices/block/rd.c to the point that adding it back in again will make things very very tricky.. I am contemplating just this, but I fear I might break the kernel severely if I do.. :-(
07:24 < [anders]> anyway.. it is time to get ready for work etc... talk later chaps.. Oh, by the way, moin. :)
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08:29 < owl> ´hi
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08:52 < owl> re
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09:01 < [anders]> moin
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09:19 < [anders]> okay, got AA fonts going in Gnome2, so if anyone want to have a look there is a 1/2MB screenshot at this URL, https://trudheim.org/Screenshot3.png
09:20 < [anders]> will leave the screenshots on there for a while, but will eventually have to move them around or delete them depending on how much space I'll use/need..
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10:05 < [anders]> owl: bit bouncy today are we not? :)
10:13 < owl> hi. anders.
10:13 < owl> i'm in office. so i have less time.
10:14 < [anders]> owl: /me is at work as well.. 
10:15 * [anders] just noticed that there is an patch-2.4.19-rc3-ac3 available and /me is nosing through it right this very minute.. 
10:15 < [anders]> And hopefully there should be some fixes in there to the initrd shambles.. Or I might just have to try and make another type of initrd image for Debian..
10:16 < [anders]> Debian insist on using CRAMFS and if the kernel does not support that then I have to try and mod things somehow.. :-(
10:18 < [anders]> alpha, sparc and sparc64 mods in the rc3-arc patch.. not to mention that the SpeedStep code is going in for ia32.. (Wooooohoooo!!)
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10:44 < [anders]> Phooar!! Some nice new stuff in the 2.4.19-rc3-ac3 kernel.. CPU Frequency Scaling, saving .config data into the kernel itself, IDE stuff... Lots and lots of goodies.. :)
10:48 < [anders]> Too bloody bad it doesn't compile.. fsck!!
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11:24 < huebi> moin ;-)
11:58 < [anders]> moun huebi.. :)
11:58 < huebi> moin [anders] 
11:59 < huebi> today is a good day to do something on ROCK Linux ;-))
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12:09 < clifford> hi.
12:09 < huebi> moin clifford 
12:09 < clifford> huebi: ich hab' noch keine fragen auf der mailinglist gesehen...
12:09 < clifford> all: fyi: https://www.rocklinux.org/irc.html
12:10 < huebi> Ich habe auch noch keine geschrieben. Ich habe letzte nach einen Internetgateway bei Nuernberg eingerichtet.
12:10 < [anders]> huebi: I am already trying to get a 2.4.19-rc kernel on my box at home so I can get the printer etc working.. and currently -rc3-ac3 does not build as there is an empty directory in the fs directory in the linux kernel tree.. bit of a bummer..
12:11 < [anders]> I might actually e-mail Alan Cox about that one.. Perhaps we could get an -rc3-ac4 today that fixes that..
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12:17 < [anders]> Not needed.. but a make mrproper was needed to get it working.. Now I might actually get a nice working kernel on my home-box..
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13:17 < Jol> lo'all
13:19 < [anders]> moin Jol
13:19 < Jol> just one question, I want to know if the Iso image contains all packages listed in the rocklinux site (packages descriptions)
13:20 < Jol> ?
13:21 < Jol> Yes, No ?  ;)
13:21 < huebi> perhaps? URL's?
13:22 < Jol> lol
13:22 < huebi> which ISO and which package list do you mean?
13:23 < Jol> 1.5.17 ISO k7 and intel 586
13:25 < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/ <- these are all packages in these ISO's. k7 is without KDE 3.0.2
13:26 < Jol> ok thanks 
13:26 < Jol> another question :)
13:27 < Jol> the ISO is bootable ;) I think yes !
13:27 < Jol> it's a stupid question, i know
13:27 < huebi> Yes, it is. K7 only on AMD Athlon (Duron?)
13:28 < Jol> Athlon!
13:28 < Jol> thankQ
13:28 < huebi> Jol: your welcome
13:28 < huebi> Jol: you're welcome
13:31 < Jol> thanks, i'm reading some rocklinux features and i'm sure it's a powerfull distrib
13:32 < huebi> yes, it is. If you want an easy to customize source based Dist. you are right with rocklinux
13:33 < Jol> good  
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13:36 < [anders]> I prefer ROCK to other distributions as it is an easier environment to 'roll your own stuff'
13:37 < Jol> on the 1.5.17 there is gcc 2-95 , it's possible to update my rocklinux on gcc 3.1 
13:37 < Jol> It's easy to create new package ?
13:37 < [anders]> Jol: the 1.7 snapshots have gcc 3.1
13:37 < [anders]> Jol: yes.. reasonably easy to do.. 
13:38 < [anders]> as in creating new packages..
13:39 < huebi> Jol: Yes, but very much work. I would use 1.7 then as a base for that, but this is far from beeing usable. 1.5.x will not have gcc 3.1 in the near future
13:39 < Jol> yep but with my 1.5.17 can I upgrade to 1.7 ?
13:39 < clifford> Jol: be carefully when upgrading a running gcc2 system to gcc3. The gcc c++ ABI has changed and so you can't mix e.g. gcc2 c++ libs with gcc3 c++ applications. (This has no effect on normal c applications.)
13:40 < huebi> Jol: you can use 1.5.17 as a working system. But upgrading is much work.
13:40 < Jol> ok
13:40 < clifford> huebi: 1.7 far from beeing stable. (stable != useable)
13:40 < Jol> ;)
13:40 < clifford> huebi: how is the 1.5 article doing?
13:41 < huebi> It's on my ToDo list this evening between 17:00 and 18:00
13:45 < huebi> Yesterday I tested runlvedit very extensive. It is the best tool/script I ever used for managing the startup scripts.
13:45 < huebi> clifford: Did you write it?
13:46 < clifford> huebi: sure. who else?
13:47 * clifford is afraied huebi will not like the 1.7 runlvedit.
13:47 < Jol> Why ?
13:47 < huebi> clifford: I don't know. It's really good how you wrote it. Simple, strait forward and easy to understand.
13:47 < Jol> He likes it !
13:48 < clifford> huebi: .. but it's not very fail save and re-creates the rc.d tree every time (instead of just making the changes neccassary.
13:48 < clifford> that's why I re-wrote it in 1.7.
13:49 < clifford> (also the 1.7 runlvedit is using dialog() - that's why I thought that you might not like it)
13:49 < th> strange. that machine has 1280MB of ram. but linux just knows about 900740k
13:49 < clifford> ... and it's written in shell so one doesn't need perl for editing the system runlevels.
13:49 < th> hmm i need highmem for this
13:49 < huebi> th: new kernel needed.
13:49 < huebi> th: ACK
13:50 < huebi> 4GB
13:50 < th> hope that does not imply problems with agpgart or stuff
13:50 < Jol> bye, see you later !
13:51 < huebi> clifford: Does the new runlvedit take attention on custom links? e.g. to scripts not located in /etc/init.d ?
13:51 < huebi> th: No. There are no problems with that.
13:51 < huebi> cu Jol 
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13:52 * huebi has 3 boxes with more than 900MB RAM. Same thing every time but no problems with high memory support.
13:52 < clifford> huebi: no. you need to make rc?.d/S10foobar a link to init.d/foobar which is a link to the real script then.
13:53 < clifford> (as in 1.5).
13:53 < huebi> clifford: That was the way I did it till now.
13:53 < huebi> so no change in that. nice.
13:54 < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/sources/misc/sysfiles/usr/sbin/runlvedit
13:54 < clifford> .. but don't try it on a 1.5 system ...
13:55 < th> clifford: btw. how do you gather the version-information for 1.5 in the "Versions" box on the w3? ATM it's stuck at 1.5.12 (devel)
13:56 < th> but that's far from the truth
13:57 < clifford> th: I told huebi on linuxtag that he should send me download information etc. for the webpage. he did not so far ..
13:57 < huebi> clifford: I want a comment in runlvedit about the style of the setup scripts. With example, please. That is very nice to have it handy for own special scripts.
13:58 < clifford> huebi: what style? just do whatever you want in this scripts.
13:58 < huebi> clifford: ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/ <- here are all versions.
13:58 < th> clifford: wget -q -O - 'https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/VERSION'
13:59 < clifford> Is URL for public use??
13:59 < huebi> sysklogd        01  -23--  linux system logging utilities <- How to get the description for the script, e.g.
13:59 < th> clifford: i don't think so
13:59 < clifford> (public use = homepage)
13:59 < th> clifford: i don't think so
13:59 < clifford> so - no 1.5 on the official homepage ..
13:59 < th> clifford: hmm what URL where you talking about?
13:59 < clifford> .. at least until I've found a new master ftp server which can be accessed by everyone.
13:59 < th> download.rocklinux.de?
14:00 < clifford> yes.
14:00 < th> hmm
14:00 < th> there is that mirror in .se
14:00 < clifford> is this SMP's server?
14:00 < th> clifford: ack
14:00 < clifford> so it's not for public use at all.
14:00 < th> ack
14:01 < clifford> It has been on the homepage once and SMP called me two days later that he is far over the bandwith limit for the server.
14:01 < th> yepp. i know 
14:02 < huebi> clifford: can you get a ftp mirror?
14:03 < clifford> we have ftp mirrors - we need a master server. Here is the problem:
14:03 < clifford> all server mirror from gd.tuwien.ac.at
14:03 < clifford> gd.tuwien.ac.at mirrors from a server housed at gentics.com
14:03 < clifford> this is not my server - I only have a normal user account.
14:03 < th> clifford: download.rocklinux.de can be the master
14:04 < huebi> th ack
14:04 < clifford> The server is located in austria and I'm only allowed to produce national traffic on that machine.
14:04 < th> hmm
14:05 < th> clifford: ftp://194.47.210.193/unstable/
14:05 < clifford> wronline uebersiedelt die server nach amsterdam und die zukunft von world.wronline ist nicht gesichert.
14:06 < th> ftp://194.47.210.193/unstable/ ist in .se
14:06 < th> clifford: ich denke, dass die zukunft von world.wronline eher sicherer wird durch die uebersiedlung
14:06 < th> clifford: entweder geht der server mit nach amsterdam oder er bleibt im jetzigen noc mit niedrigeren preisen
14:07 < clifford> th: bei serverhousing wird nach platzverbrauch verrechnet - wer zahlt den platz den world.wronline verbraucht?
14:07 < th> clifford: wer zahlt ihn im moment?
14:07 < clifford> nimand - weil er direkt bei wronline steht wo der platz nichts kostet.
14:07 < esden> hi all
14:08 < th> clifford: und das kann er auch in zukunft tun!
14:08 < clifford> hi esden.
14:08 < clifford> esden: warum haben die irc ascii logs den dateimodus 600 ???
14:09 < clifford> th: wenn die server in amsterdam stehen wird wronline nicht weiterhin fette standleitungen in de finanzieren.
14:09 < esden> hmm ...
14:09 < th> clifford: es bleiben server in wr
14:09 < th> clifford: so wie meiner z.b.
14:09 < esden> clifford: no idea ... weil die auf meinem server standardmaessig mit diesen rechten erstellt werden ... ??
14:10 < clifford> esden: kannst du das bitte aendern?
14:10 < esden> hmm...
14:10 < esden> clifford: welche rechte wuerdest du gerne haben ?
14:11 < th> interessante formulierung der frage ;-)
14:11 < clifford> 644 - sonst kann der webserver die files nicht lesen.
14:11 < esden> hmm ...
14:11 < esden> aber bei mir auf dem rechner sind die rechte richtig ...
14:11 < esden> da macht rsync was falsch
14:12 < huebi> esden: umask?
14:12 < th> sicher ne 77er umask
14:12 < esden> ??? hae
14:12 < huebi> umask - set file creation mask
14:13 < esden> aha ... mom
14:13 < clifford> th: ich hab' von smp ein mail vom 17. jun in dem er das problem so schildert und feststellt dass wir den ftp master nicht auf world legen koennen.
14:14 < huebi> Einen Master server brauchen wir. linux.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de koennte dann der offizielle Masterserver fuer die Mirrors sein.
14:15 < huebi> linux hat also als einziger zugang zum Master
14:15 < th> huebi: der zieht doch im moment von smp?
14:15 < huebi> th: noch nicht. das wollte ich aber jetzt die Tage mal anleiern.
14:15 < clifford> huebi: ein weiteres problem ist, dass wir in zukunft alle ftp mirror direkt vom master saugen lassen wollen um schnellere updatezeiten zu gewaehrleisten.
14:16 < th> clifford: darin seh ich kein problem
14:18 < clifford> So wie es augenblicklich ausseht werden wir ueber lang oder kurz mehr als 100GB pro monat traffic haben nur um unsere ftp server up-to-date zu halten ..
14:18 < esden> clifford: jetzt sollten die dateien richtige rechte haben
14:18 < clifford> esden: danke.
14:18 < esden> clifford: ich habe noch ein -p flag hinzugefuegt
14:19 < esden> clifford: die seite fuer die logs sieht sehr gut aus
14:19 < clifford> esden: danke fuer die blumen ..  :-)
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14:20 < esden> clifford: bitte bitte ;-)
14:20 < esden> clifford: ich wuerde den link zu den stats besser sichtbar machen ...
14:22 < clifford> esden: die sind imo sowieso eher fuer die leute von interesse die bereits hier chatten.
14:23 < esden> hmm ... stimmt
14:24 < clifford> esden: Bzgl. "donations page". Kannst du mir ein *.in file schreiben wie du dir die page vorstellst?
14:25 < clifford> imo sollten wir aber zwei regeln fuer die page definieren:
14:25 < clifford> 1. um gelistet zu werden muss man ein ueber web zugaengliches changelog verwalten (jemand der was spendet sollte ja wissen wofuer er spendet)
14:26 < clifford> 2. wir sollten in irgend einer form offenlegen wie viel (bzw. wenig) in einem gewissen zeitraum gespendet wurde
14:31 < esden> ja clifford ich werde es mal schreiben ...
14:31 < clifford> danke.
14:31 < esden> heute kann ich nichts versprechnen ... denn ich muss meinen router mit OpenBSD fuettern
14:31 < esden> man muss ja seinen feind kennenlernen .. *fg&
14:31 < esden> *
14:31 < clifford> esden: kein problem...  *g*
14:31 < huebi> esden: Warum kein ROCK Linux?
14:31 < esden> huebi: weil ich OpenBSD kennenlernen will
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14:32 < huebi> moin bluefire 
14:32 < bluefire> ih
14:32 < bluefire> i mean "Hi" ;)
14:32 < esden> huebi: wenn ich nicht genuegent andere systeme kenne kann ich nicht ein besseres system als die haben bauen ... deshalb schaue ich mir alles was ich kann an
14:32 < esden> hi bluefire 
14:33 < huebi> esden: Teste doch einfach mal 1.5.17 ob es denn so richtig stabil ist.
14:34 < esden> huebi: mache ich auch ... den kriegt mein laptop heute verpasst 
14:34 < huebi> esden: sehr gut.
14:35 < esden> huebi: hast du meine bitte das die quellen von pcmcia-cs als paket auf der cd sind mitbekommen ?
14:36 < huebi> erm. noe.
14:38 < clifford> esden: kann es sein, dass LUG Ingolstadt im letzten LinuxMagazin war?
14:40 < esden> clifford: ja ... kann sehr wohl sein
14:41 < esden> wenn ich mich richtig entsinne sollten die da erscheinen ... aber ich habe noch das letzte linux magazin nicht gelesen ... ich schaue heute nach
14:41 < clifford> da war naemlich ein bild von einer install party mit einem ROCK Linux Logon screen ...
14:41 < esden> ja ... das war der aszlig
14:41 < esden> der fuettert alles was schaltkreise hat mommentan mit rock ;-)
14:42 < clifford> btw: Ich hab grad util-linux (hwclock) fuer alpha gapatcht. Ist dann im naechsten snapshot.
14:42 < esden> clifford: sehr gut danka
14:42 < esden> muss ich dann mal backporten
14:42 * clifford hates mips (somehow) ..
14:43 < esden> clifford: aber was mich mehr interessieren wuerde ist curl ... wenn du momment zeit hast koenntest mal reinschauen ... denn ich glaube ich komme vor morgen nicht dazu ... 
14:44 < clifford> esden: Ich mach grad cross-builds fuer alle architectures. Meine Alpha AXP is dz. out of order ..
14:44 < huebi> Weiss jemand eine Soundkarte, die moeglichst mehrere Ausgangsstereokanaele hat fuer die Wiedergabe von mp3s unter Linux? Ich brauche einen mp3-Server mit mehreren Kanaelen.
14:44 < esden> clifford: schlecht ...
14:44 < huebi> esden: Hast du dir qt schon angesehen?
14:45 < esden> huebi: nope
14:45 < huebi> esden: Wann hast du Zeit dazu?
14:45 < esden> huebi: weiss ich noch nicht ... aber ich hoffe noch vor dem wochenende ... ausserdem hat qt bei mir nicht so die priorietaet
14:46 < esden> mir sind im momment die installationsdisketten ... und cd's viel wichtiger
14:46 < esden> wenn das funktioniert kann ich mich um qt kuemmern
14:46 < huebi> esden: hat die holyolli nicht schon fast fertig?
14:47 < esden> huebi: nicht das ich wuesste ... der hat es am linux tag per hand gebaut ... 
14:47 < fake> morgen.
14:47 < esden> hi fake 
14:47 < esden> !!
14:47 < huebi> tach fake 
14:47 < fake> clifford: why do you hate mips?
14:47 < fake> huebi: ich kenn da was
14:47 < fake> Audiowerk heisst die
14:48 < huebi> esden: Er hat mir gesagt, dass er die scripte schon fertig hatte, dann aber den Kram aus Versehen geloescht hat.
14:48 < fake> 8 Kanaele in und Digital Out, bis zu 8 glaube ich
14:48 < huebi> fake: Hast du eine URL?
14:48 < esden> huebi: hehe ... dann bringen die mir in geloeschter form leider nichts ;-)
14:48 < fake> huebi: no :(
14:49 < huebi> esden: red' mal mit ihm, wie weit er ist. Ohne QT kein KDE.
14:49 < esden> kk mache ich 
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14:52 < fake> Arbeitet, als würdet ihr kein Geld brauchen, Liebt,
14:52 < fake> als hätte euch noch nie jemand verletzt, Tanzt, als
14:52 < fake> würde keiner hinschauen, Singt, als würde keiner
14:52 < fake> zuhören, Lebt, als wäre das Paradies auf der Erde.
14:54 < fake> == 14:51:25 =[9]=> Building x11/orbit2 [2.4.0 1.7.0-DEV-200207221835].
14:54 < fake> sw33t.
14:54 < esden> fake: on which machine ?
14:54 < fake> esden: my P3
14:54 < fake> ia32
14:54 < esden> ahh ok
14:55 < fake> esden: 200207221835 - i wouldn't be that fast on a mips.
14:55 < fake> NEVER.
14:55 < esden> yes that is right ...
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14:56 < [anders]> hmmm.. screen died on me..
14:57 < fake> "Suddenly the dungeon collapses... you die." ?
14:57 < [anders]> fake: that's the baby..
14:57 < fake> that what i always get.
14:57 * clifford reading scrollback
14:58 < [anders]> irritating when it happens as I usually run things in screen for a long time and for a specific reason..
14:59 * [anders] is going to raise a few defect now though.. busy busy busy...
14:59 < huebi> root     28600  0.0  0.2  2072  616 ?        S    Jun13   2:18 SCREEN -q
15:00 < clifford> fake: I hate mips because my cross build failes on glibc ..
15:00 < fake> clifford: with gcc2.
15:00 < clifford> fake: yes. shall  use gcc3 ?
15:01 < fake> clifford: that mangeld me for a long time. until i asked on #mipslinux.
15:01 < fake> only answer: what do you want with gcc2 ?
15:01 < clifford> (the problem with gcc3 is that it failes to cross-build itself on all architectures.)
15:01 * clifford is disabling gcc2 on mips ..
15:01 < fake> clifford: use gcc-3.2
15:01 < fake> clifford: kewl.
15:02 < clifford> fake: very simple: "[R] - mips" in gcc2.desc
15:03 < fake> clifford: i also have a patch for gcc2.conf
15:03 < fake> it's a small one
15:03 < fake> you have to specify --disable-libgcj
15:03 < fake> on mips. as gcc-3.1's configure is broken on mips/libgcj
15:03 < fake> shall i paste it?
15:03 < clifford> pls. send it per mail.
15:04 < fake> :-/
15:04 < fake> okay.
15:04 < fake> but it's ugly. as always.
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15:06 < huebi> cu later. I go to the bank getting some money...
15:06 < fake> huebi: bring me some, too...
15:10 < fake> clifford: mail sent.
15:13 < fake> (but libgcj is'nt built in a cross-build anyways)
15:13 < clifford> fake: and in stages < 2
15:14 < fake> well, natively it _shoudlnt_
15:14 < fake> but it wanted to on mips.
15:14 < fake> in stage 2...
15:14 < clifford> [ "$arch" = mips ] && confopt="$confopt --disable-libgcj"
15:14 < fake> you have to tell confirue explicitly not to try building it
15:14 < fake> clifford: :P
15:17 < rolla> re 
15:21 < clifford> hmm ... according to https://gcc.gnu.org/ gcc3.2 should become releases these days.
15:21 < clifford> should I update to the 2002-07-22 sbnapshot?
15:23 * -> esden -> bitz
15:29 < fake> clifford: huh?
15:39 < clifford> fake: ?
15:39 < fake> update _to the_ 2002-07-22 snapshot?
15:39 < fake> that one's already out, right?
15:40 < fake> well, it should, as i almost finished a build.
15:40 < clifford> gcc3.2 will be released soon. should I update to the 2002-07-22 _gcc_ snapshot?
15:40 < fake> ah..... *dingeling*
15:41 < fake> clifford: no, we can wait another week, can't we?
15:41 < fake> clifford: we'll be the first distro to use it anyways.
15:41 < clifford> maybe ..
15:42 < fake> clifford: then you'd also have to update to gcc-2.95.5 or whatever it is
15:47 < clifford> fake: 2.95.5 ???
15:47 < fake> well.. the latest devel snapshot - wichever that may be
15:47 < fake> maybe even more
15:48 < clifford> hae? maybe you mean 2.96 from redhat ?
15:49 < clifford> .. that's a CVS checkout with tons of redhat modifications and is far away from beeing an official gcc devel snapshot.
15:49 < fake> clifford: oh, maybe i ment that.
15:50 < fake> ralf baechle mentioned that somewhere as being usable for mips
15:50 < fake> but still saif gcc3 is way better.
15:50 < fake> clifford: how about updating binutils?
15:50 < clifford> I'll wait for 3.2 and see if the cross-build problems are solved in that release. until then I will simply ignore it.
15:51 < fake> oookai
15:51 * clifford is running ./scripts/Check-PkgVersion.
15:53 < clifford> wow - bash 2.05b is out.
15:54 < fake> == 18:18:47 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [cvs 1.7.0-DEV-200207221835].
15:54 < fake> ^---- mips timer sucks
15:54 < clifford> how long did that take?
15:55 < fake> clifford: 6 minutes
15:55 < fake> == 07/23/02 18:24:41 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc.
15:55 < fake> >_<
15:55 < clifford> :-)
15:55 < fake> > *** On GNU/Linux systems the GNU C Library should not be installed i ..
15:55 < fake> > *** /usr/local since this might make your system totally unusable.
15:55 < fake> > *** We strongly advise to use a different prefix.  For details read  ..
15:55 < fake> > *** If you really mean to do this, run configure again using the ext ..
15:55 < fake> > *** parameter `--disable-sanity-checks'.
15:55 < fake> huh?
15:56 < fake> who said /usr/local ? baka!
15:56 < fake> ah. stage 0.
15:56 < fake> where prefix=$root
15:56 < clifford> hae??
15:56 < fake> --disable-sanity-checks it is, then.
15:57 < clifford> fake: maybe 'configparms' is not used by the cvs version you are using>
15:58 < fake> clifford: hm.
15:59 * fake disabling sanity checks.
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16:01 < Mike1> Moin
16:01 < fake> hi Mike1 
16:01 < clifford> hi Mike1
16:01 * fake looking if there is still some coffee powder...
16:01 < Mike1> hallo fake and clifford :)
16:01 < fake> (we can't buy any new.. *argh*)
16:03 < Mike1> there will be a computer even in Costa Rica next month and d3main and i have been looking forward to have ROCK Linux stand over here, anyone would like to join us?
16:03 < Mike1> its called 'Compuexpo'
16:04 < clifford> Mike1: s/even/event/ .... gives it a compleatly new sense.  :-)
16:04 < Mike1> clifford: hehe yeah much better :)
16:06 < fake> es its alles vorbei
16:07 < clifford> fake: ?
16:07 < fake> das ist das ende
16:07 < fake> *wimmer*
16:07 < fake> wir haben keinen kaffee mehr :_:
16:07 < clifford> kein caffe mehr?
16:07 * clifford gibt fake ne jolt cola.
16:08 * Mike1 has never tryed a jolt cola
16:08 < Mike1> someone should send me one
16:08 < clifford> Mike1: you didn't missed anything.
16:09 < clifford> RedBull or FlyingHorse are much better ..
16:09 < fake> *** WARNING: Do you really want to install the GNU C Library into /usr/local?
16:09 < fake> *** This might make your system totally unusable, for details read the FAQ.
16:09 < fake> huh?
16:09 < fake> ah. whatever.
16:09 < Mike1> clifford: ok good i have some RedBull here :)
16:09 < Mike1> fake: thats just a fake 
16:09 < Mike1> :)
16:10 < fake> i hope so.
16:10 < clifford> fake: pls. check if configure is using configparms before you shoot your system..
16:10 < fake> okay.
16:11 < fake> clifford: configparams is a shell-variable that gets imported by configure, right?
16:11 < clifford> fake: no/
16:12 < fake> clifford: hm. easy way to check it?
16:12 < clifford> it's a file in the glibc source directory created by glibc.conf
16:12 < fake> grep configparams configure
16:12 < clifford> goto the glibc source directory and type 'grep configparms * 2> /dev/null'
16:13 < clifford> fake: I'm not sure if it's really configure itself which reads in the file.
16:13 < fake> nothing. :(
16:13 < clifford> so it's clear why it wants to install the stuff in /usr/local ..
16:14 < fake> okay... so move that in glibc.desc from the top (configparams) to --prefix... etc?
16:15 < clifford> yes. but try it in glibc.conf instead.. ;-)
16:15 * clifford will cleanup glibc.conf a bit today.
16:15 < fake> oh, well, yes. might be better.
16:15 < fake> clifford: nooo... than i can't undestand it anymore.
16:20 < clifford> fake: configparms should be included by Makeconfig
16:20 < fake> yes, i saw it.
16:20 < fake> but it isn't.
16:25 < Mike1> huebi: please tell me you are awake
16:29 < Mike1> someone has a sparc bootable image that i can download fast???please i blowed a production server by misstyping silo.cong i need to cherrot to fix it
16:29 < fake> *** On GNU/Linux systems the GNU C Library should not be installed inton
16:29 < fake> *** /usr/local since this might make your system totally unusable.
16:29 < fake> *ARGH*
16:32 < Mike1> clifford: do you have _any_ linux sparc bootable cd any distro any kernel 
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16:38 < fake> Mike1: debian
16:41 < fake> clifford: oops. typo.
16:41 < fake> i grepped for configparams instead of configparms
17:04 < clifford> is it there?
17:04 < clifford> ( -> fake )
17:05 < fake> yes.
17:05 < clifford> does it work?
17:06 < fake> no.
17:06 < clifford> too bad.
17:06 < fake> i don't know why up to now.
17:07 * clifford updated the following packages:
17:07 < clifford> alsa-driver-0.9.0rc2, bash-2.05b, binutils-2.12.90.0.15,
17:07 < clifford> cpio-2.5, curl-7.9.8, dump-0.4b29, file-3.39, gdb-5.2.1,
17:07 < clifford> gettext-0.11.3, ghostscript-7.21, groff-1.18, gsl-1.2,
17:07 < clifford> ifhp-3.5.10, libsafe-2.0-16, LPRng-3.8.13, lvm_1.0.5,
17:07 < clifford> man-pages-1.52, man-1.5k, modutils-2.4.18, netpbm-10.5,
17:07 < clifford> nfs-utils-1.0.1, pcmcia-cs-3.1.34, quota-3.06, readline-4.3,
17:07 < clifford> sendmail-8.12.5, tcsh-6.12.00, units-1.80, util-linux-2.11t
17:07 < fake> clifford: woo!
17:08 < clifford> pretty easy with scripts/Check-PkgVersion and scripts/CreatePkgUpdPatch ..
17:10 < clifford> fake: in which format do you need the kernel on mips?
17:10 < clifford> just the vmlinux file?
17:11 < fake> hm... then elftoecoff
17:11 < fake> and dvhtool instead of lilo.
17:12 < clifford> elftoecoff? hmm.. that's a problem when doing a cross-build.
17:12 < fake> clifford: why?
17:13 < clifford> because I don't have to tool on e.g. an ia32 box.
17:14 < fake> clifford: it's in arch/mips/boot/ iirc.
17:14 < fake> and glibc still wants to build into /usr/local.
17:15 < fake> yuki:/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/boot# gcc -o elf2ecoff elf2ecoff.c 
17:15 < fake> yuki:/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/boot# ./elf2ecoff 
17:15 < fake> usage: elf2aout <elf executable> <a.out executable> [-a]
17:15 < fake> yuki:/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/boot# 
17:16 < fake> elf2aout?
17:16 < fake> hm.
17:20 < clifford> fake: what do you suggest as the output name? vmlinux.ecoff ?
17:21 < fake> clifford: it looks like it's actually elf2aout
17:21 < fake> (at least it calls itself efl2aout
17:21 < fake> )
17:22 < fake> clifford: where is Makeconfig included?/executed?
17:22 < fake> evaluated?
17:23 < fake> i can only find "Makefile:include Makeconfig"
17:23 < fake> but that's a little late.
17:23 < fake> no wonder configure complains.
17:24 < clifford> fake: it's only included by various Makefiles - that's correct.
17:24 < fake> woo. so how should configure know that i give an install_root through directly?
17:25 < fake> and that i do not want to install in /usr/local ?
17:25 < clifford> try givin configure the --prefix option in addition to specifying it in configparms
17:26 < clifford> (or diable the check)
17:26 < fake> hm... okay.
17:26 < fake> or both.
17:26 < clifford> no. one should be enough.
17:26 < fake> but then i'd have to give --prefix=/usr
17:26 < clifford> disabling the check might be better
17:27 < fake> . o O ( if configparms doesn't work, my system has an unstable glibc installed )
17:27 < clifford> right - and that's the problem: this _must_not_ be used for installing glibc
17:27 < fake> hm.
17:27 < clifford> if you just disable the checks you will end up with a glibc installed in usr/local.
17:27 < fake> that's fine.
17:28 < clifford> your ld.so _should_ ignore it because there is alrady a glibc in /lib and /usr/lib ..
17:28 < clifford> fake: how would you call the converted vmlinux? vmlinux.ecoff?
17:29 < fake> clifford: hm.. i'd call it use_this_dumbass, but just for me.
17:29 < fake> so i don't care. vmlinux.ecoff is fine with me.
17:30 < clifford> . o O ( as always, fake is very polite .. )
17:30 < clifford> ok. so it's vmlinux.ecoff
17:30 < clifford> or better said: would be if there wouldn't be this assembler problem ...
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17:31 < fake> clifford: the only person i am not polite to is me.
17:35 * Mike1 gets back after having the most scary, stressing and terrifing minutes of his life
17:36 < Mike1> re
17:37 < th> wb Mike1 
17:37 < Mike1> thanks th
17:37 < th> what's up?
17:37 < Mike1> my master mail server went down for about 10 minutes :((
17:38 < th> outch
17:38 < th> thrilling
17:39 < Mike1> th yeah i asked a partner to configure lilo
17:39 < Mike1> oop silo
17:39 < Mike1> he removed old vmlinux boot and left only the new one
17:39 < th> outch
17:39 < th> bad boy
17:39 < Mike1> which was linux 2.4.18
17:40 < Mike1> and didnt boot !
17:40 < Mike1> i swear to god i will kill him when he gets out the bathroom
17:40 < clifford> :-)
17:40 < Mike1> yes he made on his pans
17:41 < th> hrrr
17:41 < th> need to carry an RMA-packet to post-office...
17:41 < th> bbl
17:42 < clifford> bbl
17:44 < fake> clifford: it seams to work. gcc gets -isystem $root passed.
17:44 < fake> seems.
18:01 < th> re
18:03 < Mike1> re th
18:07 < [anders]> Right.. Time to go home and try out the 2.4.19-rc3-ac3 kernel and my home-cooked initrd (in the vain hope it'll sort out my OHCI/UHCI problems and also give me EHCI..)
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18:08 < Mike1> lo [anders]
18:08 < [anders]> If I only was not so damned tired all the time.. Not very funny being half asleep driving to and from work and not have the energy to do anything outside of work..
18:09 < [anders]> you Mike1 :-)  Did you get those things fixed in the private build that failed building for you?
18:09 < Mike1> [anders]: yes it already build base+opt :)
18:10 < Mike1> [anders]: i am not working on the latest cvs 
18:10 < Mike1> lol damn typos
18:10 < Mike1> s/not/now
18:10 < [anders]> Mike1: good stuff.. I should probably pull down CVS and diff against my tree to see what has changed and do a risk assessment.. If low risk, apply patch and sync with tree...
18:11 < [anders]> Or do things one by one and try and sort out problems and feed patches back.. :)
18:11 < Mike1> which is more fun :)
18:11 < [anders]> Yes, if you understand what is going wrong.. ;-)
18:12 < [anders]> Mike1: you seen the screenshots of my Gnome2 install? :)
18:12 < Mike1> if you dont undertand its ok to so you can learn.. all you have to is bother huebi or clifford *grin*
18:12 < Mike1> [anders]: no , can i have a link?
18:13 < [anders]> https://trudheim.org/Screenshot.png   <-- about 250kB
18:15 < Mike1> [anders]: very nice my friend :)
18:15 < [anders]> https://trudheim.org/Screenshot2.png    <-- about 600kB
18:15 < [anders]> https://trudheim.org/Screenshot3.png   <-- about 600kB
18:16 < [anders]> in screenshot 3 there is use of AA fonts.. :)
18:16 * fake taking a look.
18:17 < fake> [anders]: that 3 - screenshot looks ugly in NS 4.79
18:19 < fake> but i looks sw33t in Mozilla
18:19 < [anders]> fake: how you mean 'ugly' ? :)
18:19 < fake> [anders]: the fonts had a cow-pattern
18:19 < fake> black-white-mix
18:21 < [anders]> fake: aahh.. probably a rendering problem in Nutscrape then... the pix look fine in xv or Gimp... :)
18:22 < [anders]> I have found something really sweet in Gnome2.. In Nautilus, if you have Eye of Gnome installed, you can zoom in/out in pictures you clicked to view with Nautilus..
18:22 < [anders]> and when you stop zooming, it will anti-alias the picture for you.. :)
18:22 < [anders]> Reeeeeaally cool stuff.. Nearly wet myself when I found it.. ;-)
18:23 < fake> yes. in moz/msg rolla big time. yes.
18:23 < fake> huh.
18:23 < fake> i need more coffee.
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18:26 < [anders]> ok, htx is running on my cluster.. time to go home and eat something..
18:27 < Mike1> [anders]: enjoy ur food
18:29 < [anders]> Mike1: thanks.. I am sure I will.. Probably will be a few rounds of toast, but that is enough for me.. :)
18:29 < [anders]> cya guys later.. going afk now.. :)
18:30 < Mike1> nice
18:30 < Mike1> cu [anders]
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18:41 < th> [anders]: any EHCI news?
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18:55 < owl> hi
19:01 < fake> ah. coffee.
19:01 < fake> no i'm broke, but at least i have coffee.
19:01 < fake> now
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19:17 < WKaibigan> Must have been expensive coffee :-)
19:24 < fake> WKaibigan: 2,29 EUR per kg.
19:24 < fake> so, no.
19:27 * fake brennt owl mit einem Laser "Ich weiss es nicht." auf die Netzhaut.
19:34 * fake is a bit away...
19:34 < fake> hacking old ugly PHP code
19:44 < Freak> houpc?
19:46 < blindcoder> *argh*
19:46 < blindcoder> can someone explain gdb to me?
19:46 < blindcoder> or better:
19:46 * fake kommt wirklich grade im fernsehen?
19:46 < blindcoder> why does a program invoked with gdb is unable to connect to mysql
19:46 < blindcoder> while it is able to connect when run without gdb
19:47 < fake> unix sockets?
19:47 < blindcoder> yeah
19:48 < Freak> fake was on tv??
19:49 < fake> blindcoder: try using TCP
19:49 < fake> Freak: yes... some local station
19:49 < blindcoder> is it enabled on apollo?
19:49 < Freak> fake: how come?
19:49 < blindcoder> bchat is on TV, that's why FAKE, esden and me are on air :-)
19:49 < blindcoder> oh, and praenti, too
19:49 < fake> and Mike1
19:50 < Freak> .........
19:50 < Freak> send me snapshots.
19:51 < Freak> I think I don't get it.
19:51 * fake advertising rock.
19:51 < Freak> you're fooling Freak.
19:52 < fake> nope.
19:53 < fake> digitized version will be up when the event is over.
19:53 < huebi> re
19:53 < fake> re huebi 
19:53 < huebi> hi fake 
19:53 < Mike1> re huebi :)
19:54 < huebi> hi Mike1 ;-)
19:54 < huebi> Mike1: I have no bootable sparc CD except the one I got from you (splack)
19:55 < Mike1> huebi: no worry is made a couple of tricky things with silo and made it boot again :)
20:13 < Mike1> huebi: what do you think about adding 'eject' to base?
20:15 < huebi> eject - unmount and eject changeable media?
20:15 < huebi> like in solaris?
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20:23 < bluefire> re
20:23 < huebi> moin bluefire 
20:24 < bluefire> huebi: Naja... "moin" ist jetzt aber auch schon rum ;
20:24 < bluefire> ))
20:24 < huebi> naja ;-)
20:24 < huebi> fsck. The mailserver I use is offline.
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20:33 * [anders] is off for a reboot..
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20:39 < Mike1> huebi: yes eject as in 'eject /dev/cdroms/cdrom0'
20:56 * Mike1 away to lunch
21:08 < oversize> hi.... i ´ve downloaded a rar archive, supposed to be the rock linux iso filez, but i just can find a *.bin file ... where is the *.cue file ? do i need it to brun the iso ? or is there another way ?
21:09 < huebi> oversize: URL?
21:09 < oversize> where i got this file from ?
21:09 < oversize> sec
21:09 < oversize> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15_2002-05-27_02h30.iso
21:10 < huebi> oversize: just burn it
21:10 < oversize> the bin file ?
21:10 < huebi> where is there a bin file?
21:10 < oversize> i thougth i always have to have a *cur file for burning bins
21:11 < oversize> in the root of the directory ...
21:11 < huebi> .iso = .raw
21:11 < oversize> extractet ...
21:16 < Mike1> oversize: you just need to 'cdrecord -v dev=<path/to/burner> speed=8 rock-xx.iso
21:16 * Mike1 back
21:17 < oversize> uh ... my burner runs under win ;)
21:18 < Mike1> oversize: i think there a software in win that could burn .iso files
21:18 < oversize> o niw i got you ;)
21:18 < Mike1> i think its named "Nero" or something like that
21:19 < rolla> Mike1: Nero Burner 
21:19 < huebi> oversize: https://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/howtos/iso/howtoisoen.html
21:19 < oversize> i extractet the file, as if it were an rar archive ...
21:19 < oversize> thx...
21:19 < huebi> oversize: iso is not compressed
21:20 < Mike1> rolla: thanks 
21:20 < Mike1> oversize: use nero burner to burn .iso images
21:21 < oversize> i do ;) ... i somehow wanted to extract the .iso file and was wondering wehre the iso file is lol?
21:21 < Mike1> *g
21:21 < Mike1> huebi: <Mike1> huebi: yes eject as in 'eject /dev/cdroms/cdrom0'
21:32 < Mike1> huebi: ?
21:33 * huebi on the phone
21:33 < Mike1> k sorry
21:48 -!- ge0rg is now known as Ge0rG
21:58 < oversize> is there some more documentation available then the documen* directory on the page ?
22:00 < Mike1> oversize: what kind of documentation are you looking for?
22:03 < oversize> actually some installation guide. i was kind of end of my skills, at the first input prompt #rock-install: :) so i thougth maybe theres mor to read.
22:04 < Mike1> oversize: did you already had a look at the ROCK Linux Guide?
22:04 < oversize> ehm no ... where i havent senn it on the page.. yet
22:04 < oversize> -where
22:04 < Mike1> oh there are just tex sources on the site or the Guide in spanish, but you can find on the rock cdrom
22:05 < Mike1> have a look on it
22:05 < oversize> yes i saw that spaniosh guide...
22:05 < oversize> but i m lacking of speaking spanish ;)
22:06 < Mike1> oversize: yeah thats bad i dont lack in spanish
22:06 * Mike1 did rock guide spanish *grin*
22:06 < oversize> aaah ... theres some to read on the cd .... 8)
22:06 < Mike1> oversize: yes so enjoy your reading
22:06 < Mike1> also you can ask here
22:07 < oversize> mkay 8)
22:07 < Mike1> or subscribe to the rock mailing list
22:07 < Mike1> and email your questions :)
22:07 < oversize> theres no particular question right now, but i will thx
22:13 < Mike1> oversize: anytime :)
22:13 < Mike1> oversize: can i ask you a question?
22:20 * owl leaves you now
22:20 < owl> gn8. cu tomorrow
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22:23 * Mike1 waiting for huebi
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22:31 < Mike1> Anyone know a mailing list soft eg. majordomo that can allow me to send mails with .html format and not only plain text???
22:31 < Ge0rG> html mail is evil ;)
22:32 < Mike1> Ge0rG: i know but i wanna get rid of my boss, he's been bothering me around for a while with this
22:33 < Ge0rG> Mike1: show him how to turn off html mail in microsoft lookout ;)
22:35 < Mike1> Ge0rG: i wish to but he wants to send the company's newsletters in html format :((
22:36 < Ge0rG> maybe you can convince him that sending html mail is demotivating the staff? ;)
22:38 < Mike1> Ge0rG: he's decided to do it and he gives a shit about the staff, he only cares about sysadmins
22:38 < Mike1> as long as they do what he needs / wants
22:43 < oversize> Mike1: oversize: can i ask you a question? sure do ! :)
22:43 < Ge0rG> ,oO( "can i ask you two questions?" )
22:44 < Mike1> oversize:  how did you know about rock?
22:44 < Mike1> actually i will ask another one :)
22:44 < oversize> i was searching for some other distribution then the mainstream ones (redhat suse) and found the url on linux.org
22:45 < oversize> so i thouth give it a try
22:45 < Mike1> oversize: and why did you got interested in rock?
22:45 < Mike1> oversize: dont get me wrong just getting info for PR
22:45 < oversize> hehe kk ;)
22:46 < oversize> i want a linux box where just the services run that i wantd, and just the thing happen that i want. so a smaller dist. expnading with your needs is more controlledable than one big one where everything is preconfigured and installed
22:47 < oversize> but this is tougher than i guessed :)
22:48 < Mike1> oversize: hehe yeah of course otherwise what would happen to the fun?
22:48 < Mike1> oversize: Building rock from the sources is the coolest thing :)
22:49 < Mike1> thought for users comming from redhat, suse or mandrake the single fact of installing rock is a whole challenge
22:49 < oversize> 8)
22:49 < oversize> im sweating here ;)
22:49 < Mike1> hehe :)
22:50 < oversize> but thats because redhat and suse aims to be one out of the box system, where you dont need any basic knowledge of th os
22:50 < oversize> i think thats kind of my prob...
22:52 < Mike1> oversize dont worry you will enjoy ur journey from booting the cds till running x aplications and starting your own build in ur new rock system :)
22:52 < Mike1> most of the rock users never go back to other distros
22:52 < oversize> i hope so :) . but i know how frustrating this way can be.
22:53 < oversize> hehe, i guesse this is because they really know whats happening in their box
22:53 < Mike1> I can tell you by personal experience that it is a whole challenge but you will learn a lot and you will see things in a very different way, as i a positive thing of course
22:54 < oversize> my luck is, i have a second pc where i can install it and use my running win to get help 8)
22:54 < Mike1> oversize: rock linux is an Administrator Friendly distribution and not another userfriendly distro, administrators always want to have full control and be able to know whats going on and manipulte things as they wish not as defined
22:55 < Mike1> oversize: yes but i am sure this will change very soon :)
22:55 < oversize> 8) i hope so. but i still have to have another win pc here, becaus i m learning to programm on win32 systems
22:56 < oversize> i m an apprentice i think its called
22:56 < Mike1> :)
22:56 < oversize> www.bonadt.de <-- hes my hief
22:56 < oversize> chief
22:56 < oversize> or chef or whatever
22:56 < oversize> 8)
22:56 < oversize> little late already
22:57 < oversize> how long has there been a rock linux?
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22:57 < oversize> so, i mean since when are you developing on it ?
22:59 < Mike1> i have been working on rock for about 2 years now
22:59 < Mike1> or a year and a half :) something like that
22:59 < oversize> .. so you actually know the system a little bit ;)
22:59 < oversize> *g
23:00 < Mike1> oversize: mm lets say 1/2 a bit
23:00 < Mike1> :)
23:00 < oversize> hehe
23:00 * oversize has to sleep now
23:00 < oversize> cu
23:01 < Mike1> oversize: ok good night
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23:07 < Mike1> hi WKaibigan
23:07 < Mike1> :)
23:08 < WKaibigan> Hi again
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23:25 < Mike1> huebi: awake?
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