-!- Irrsi  Log opened Wed Jul 24 00:00:41 2002
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[00:07] < huebi> Strike! I just configured an Internetgateway in the Nuernberg area. After reboot it came back. kool
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[00:31] < th> wie krieg ich das home von einem user raus?
[00:31] < fake> echo /etc/passwd | grep $USERNAME
[00:31] < th> fake: nich wenns nis is
[00:32] < fake> stimmt.
[00:32] < fake> su - $USERNAME
[00:32] < th> fake: und nich wenns einen user gibt der aehnlich heisst
[00:32] < fake> pwd
[00:32] < th> gibts keinen getpwnam wrapper?
[00:32] < fake> not that i know of
[00:37] < th> diesen ~user mechanismus gibts wohl auch nur in der commandline
[00:38] < th> man muss doch in der shell testen koennen, ob ein user-home existiert
[00:39] < th> finger koennte helfen
[00:39] < fake> stimmt.
[00:40]   fake geht ki^Hnacken
[00:41] < fake> byq.
[00:41] < fake> bye.
[00:41] < huebi> cu fake
[00:42] < th> finger -m -p th | head -2 | tail +2 | cut -f1 | cut -d' ' -f2
[00:42] < th> that's it '_
[00:42] < th> that's it ;)
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[00:54] < argh> re
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[01:00] < huebi> moin holyolli
[01:00] < holyolli> hi huebi
[01:01] < owl> hi holyolli
[01:01] < holyolli> hi owl
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[01:01] < ringo78> hai all !
[01:01] < holyolli> hi ringo
[01:01] < huebi> holyolli: hast du dir schon mal qt auf alpha angesehen? Das funktioniert/compiliert nicht.
[01:01] < holyolli> huebi: das stimmt. hab mich aber bisher noch erfolgreich drum gedr|ckt... ;)
[01:01] < holyolli> gedrueckt even
[01:02] < huebi> hehe
[01:02] < holyolli> huebi: aber wenn du willst, kannst du auch selber nachsehen
[01:02] < huebi> muss nicht sein...
[01:03] < holyolli> *g*
[01:03] < holyolli> ich werd mal danach schauen, wenn ich aus /dev/urlaub wieder da bin
[01:03] < huebi> wann ist das
[01:03] < huebi> ?
[01:03] < holyolli> am 03.08. bin ich wieder daheim
[01:03] < holyolli> bis dahin ist es eher schlecht, weil ich ueber 33.6er modem arbeiten muss
[01:03] < holyolli> =)
[01:03] < huebi> ok
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[01:04] < holyolli> ?
[01:05] < holyolli> ww
[01:05] < huebi> hae?
[01:05] < holyolli> falsches fenster
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[01:23] < Mike1> re
[01:23] < holyolli> re mike
[01:23] < huebi> re Mike1
[01:24] < Mike1> huebi: how did you go with the sparc report?
[01:25] < huebi> Mike1: I did not start it yet. I installed an internetgateway a few hundred kilometres from here.
[01:25] < Mike1> huebi very nice
[01:25] < ringo78> Mike: Thanks for the info about masq (2weeks ago or so it works).
[01:26] < huebi> indeed. and it came back online after reboot.
[01:26] < Mike1> ringo78: sure you are welcome
[01:26] < Mike1> huebi: cool
[01:27] < huebi> And it uses dyndns.org for it's dynamic IP address.
[01:27] < Mike1> huebi: i need to get more sparc hardware to develop, but the SUN reps in central america just a bunch of lame lazy b@stardz
[01:27] < Mike1> huebi: sounds very nice
[01:28] < huebi> just a bunch of lame lazy b@stardz <- same here *g*
[01:28]   owl leaves you now
[01:29] < Mike1> huebi: yet you can still get cheap and nice sparc hardware, i cant :((
[01:29] < Mike1> n8 praenti
[01:29] < owl> gn8
[01:29] < Mike1> damn n8 owl
[01:29] < huebi> nacht owl
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[01:48]   Mike1-d3mian rebooting see you in an hour
[01:48]   Mike1-d3mian has to try to build 1.5.17 after reboot
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[01:50] < holyolli> cya
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[01:59] < tsa> n8
[01:59] < huebi> n8 tsa
[01:59] < tsa> *gaehn*
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[02:10] < ringo78> why does this not work (slashes before spaces in spaced names ?)  slashed=`echo $i | tr ' ' \\' '`
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[03:14] < Mike1> re
[03:14] < Mike1> anyone awake?
[03:14] < huebi> jo
[03:14] < Mike1> great
[03:14] < Mike1> just the person i was looking for
[03:14] < Mike1> :)
[03:15] < Mike1> how do i use ./scripts/Create-CD to create my rock-15.17-base+dir.iso?
[03:15] < Mike1> base+opt*
[03:15] < Mike1> somehow its creats a 4mb iso only
[03:15] < huebi> ./scripts/Create-CD ia32 i686 base e.g
[03:15] < Mike1> nice mom
[03:16] < Mike1> lets see if it works :)
[03:17] < Mike1> huebi: how far are we from getting boot iamges with reiserfs and ext3 support?
[03:17] < Mike1> not sure what is ur list of priorities
[03:17] < huebi> 2 days of concentrated work or so.
[03:18] < huebi> first priority is linux*
[03:18] < Mike1> huebi: if you give me some guidelines i can contribute on this
[03:18] < Mike1> huebi: perhaps you can go for linux i can go for the isos :)
[03:18] < Mike1> i mean images*
[03:19] < huebi> ok lets see tomorrow.
[03:19] < Mike1> sure :)
[03:19]   Mike1 amazed to see huebi awake this late
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[03:22] < Mike1> huebi: [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]# du -sh rock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.17-Mike.iso
[03:22] < Mike1> 688Mrock-ia32-i686-base+opt-1.5.17-Mike.iso
[03:22] < Mike1> [root@marte rock-src-1.5.17-Mike]#
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[03:23] < Mike1> brb rebooting again
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[03:35] < Mike1> re
[03:35] < Mike1> huebi: still awake?
[03:35] < huebi> re Mike1
[03:36] < Mike1> :)
[03:36] < Mike1> huebi: did you had any issues building vim?
[03:36] < huebi> no, it worked fine.
[03:36] < Mike1> after we moved it to base and the source was conf file was cleaned?
[03:36] < Mike1> huebi: funny in my rock 1.5.16 it didnt recognize he tarball
[03:36] < huebi> only copying the vimrc did not work.
[03:37] < Mike1> huebi: yes because vim dir does not exist
[03:37] < huebi> update the vim.* files
[03:37] < Mike1> yes i will have to update a few things
[03:38] < Mike1> also i have a stupid question
[03:38] < huebi> Mike1: only unasked questions are stupid.
[03:39] < Mike1> some gnome packages broke on stage 3 but didnt brake on stage 5, why?
[03:39] < Mike1> will they be missing on my iso?
[03:41] < huebi> normaly not. Upgrade to the actuall cvs with "cvs up -dP". Many budfixes are in there.
[03:42] < Mike1> huebi: ok i will do that :)
[03:42] < Mike1> i am hapy thoguth only 5 packages broke
[03:42] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/changelog
[03:43] < Mike1> and it helped me realize that vim had to be fixed which is good :)
[03:46] < huebi> <- burning a video CD
[03:46] < Mike1> huebi: nice, good stuff on it?
[03:46] < huebi> I hope so
[03:47] < Mike1> music videos? or movies?
[04:01]   Mike1 fetching rock-1.5 cvs tree
[04:01] < Mike1> huebi: i will test it tonight hopefuly i will come back with some patches and stuff tomorrow
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[04:13] < Mike1> hallo Freak
[04:15] < Freak> hey there Mike
[04:15] < huebi> https://vcdgrab.sourceforge.net/ <- This works to get the .mpg out of the bin/cue files.
[04:15] < huebi> hi Freak
[04:15] < Mike1> huebi: danke mein freund
[04:16] < huebi> Mike1: you're welcome ;-)
[04:16] < Freak> hmmmmm
[04:17] < Mike1> huebi: i will test in 1/2 a bit a let you know how it works :)
[04:24] < huebi> Mike1: It's in german and vcdgrab works fine.
[04:24] < Mike1> huebi: so you are decided to make me learn german arent you?
[04:24] < Mike1> >_<
[04:25] < huebi> *g*
[04:25] < Freak> "it works fine installing programs with YaST2 .. but when I download things.. I don't know how to do that."
[04:26] < Freak> "explain it to me, I'm lame."
[04:26] < Freak> ...
[04:26] < Mike1> Freak: WTF is yast2?
[04:26] < Freak> I gave him an answer he won't forget ;)
[04:26] < Freak> Mike1: Yet another Setup Tool, SuSEs RPM (and other things') manager
[04:27] < Freak> s/SuSEs/SuSE's;
[04:27] < Mike1> Freak: oh yeah suse crappy stuff
[04:27] < Freak> heh
[04:31] < Mike1> freak rpm -e yast
[04:31] < Mike1> rpm -e yast2
[04:31] < Mike1> rpm -e sax
[04:31] < Mike1> rpm -e sax2
[04:31] < Mike1> rpm -e rpm
[04:31] < Mike1> :)
[04:31] < Freak> hmm heh
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[04:43] < Mike1> huebi: /me still downloading
[04:44] < huebi> Mike1: /me too ;-)
[04:44] < Mike1> hehe
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[07:16] < Mike1> see you later guys
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[07:24] < [anders]> rrrrrfffff!! kernel 2.4.19-rc3 has no support for CRAMFS initrd's and they have been stripping things out of devices/block/rd.c to the point that adding it back in again will make things very very tricky.. I am contemplating just this, but I fear I might break the kernel severely if I do.. :-(
[07:24] < [anders]> anyway.. it is time to get ready for work etc... talk later chaps.. Oh, by the way, moin. :)
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[08:29] < owl> ´hi
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[08:52] < owl> re
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[09:01] < [anders]> moin
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[09:19] < [anders]> okay, got AA fonts going in Gnome2, so if anyone want to have a look there is a 1/2MB screenshot at this URL, https://trudheim.org/Screenshot3.png
[09:20] < [anders]> will leave the screenshots on there for a while, but will eventually have to move them around or delete them depending on how much space I'll use/need..
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[10:05] < [anders]> owl: bit bouncy today are we not? :)
[10:13] < owl> hi. anders.
[10:13] < owl> i'm in office. so i have less time.
[10:14] < [anders]> owl: /me is at work as well..
[10:15]   [anders] just noticed that there is an patch-2.4.19-rc3-ac3 available and /me is nosing through it right this very minute..
[10:15] < [anders]> And hopefully there should be some fixes in there to the initrd shambles.. Or I might just have to try and make another type of initrd image for Debian..
[10:16] < [anders]> Debian insist on using CRAMFS and if the kernel does not support that then I have to try and mod things somehow.. :-(
[10:18] < [anders]> alpha, sparc and sparc64 mods in the rc3-arc patch.. not to mention that the SpeedStep code is going in for ia32.. (Wooooohoooo!!)
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[10:44] < [anders]> Phooar!! Some nice new stuff in the 2.4.19-rc3-ac3 kernel.. CPU Frequency Scaling, saving .config data into the kernel itself, IDE stuff... Lots and lots of goodies.. :)
[10:48] < [anders]> Too bloody bad it doesn't compile.. fsck!!
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[11:24] < huebi> moin ;-)
[11:58] < [anders]> moun huebi.. :)
[11:58] < huebi> moin [anders]
[11:59] < huebi> today is a good day to do something on ROCK Linux ;-))
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[12:09] < clifford> hi.
[12:09] < huebi> moin clifford
[12:09] < clifford> huebi: ich hab' noch keine fragen auf der mailinglist gesehen...
[12:09] < clifford> all: fyi: https://www.rocklinux.org/irc.html
[12:10] < huebi> Ich habe auch noch keine geschrieben. Ich habe letzte nach einen Internetgateway bei Nuernberg eingerichtet.
[12:10] < [anders]> huebi: I am already trying to get a 2.4.19-rc kernel on my box at home so I can get the printer etc working.. and currently -rc3-ac3 does not build as there is an empty directory in the fs directory in the linux kernel tree.. bit of a bummer..
[12:11] < [anders]> I might actually e-mail Alan Cox about that one.. Perhaps we could get an -rc3-ac4 today that fixes that..
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[12:17] < [anders]> Not needed.. but a make mrproper was needed to get it working.. Now I might actually get a nice working kernel on my home-box..
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[13:17] < Jol> lo'all
[13:19] < [anders]> moin Jol
[13:19] < Jol> just one question, I want to know if the Iso image contains all packages listed in the rocklinux site (packages descriptions)
[13:20] < Jol> ?
[13:21] < Jol> Yes, No ?  ;)
[13:21] < huebi> perhaps? URL's?
[13:22] < Jol> lol
[13:22] < huebi> which ISO and which package list do you mean?
[13:23] < Jol> 1.5.17 ISO k7 and intel 586
[13:25] < huebi> https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/rock-1.5/base-config/ <- these are all packages in these ISO's. k7 is without KDE 3.0.2
[13:26] < Jol> ok thanks
[13:26] < Jol> another question :)
[13:27] < Jol> the ISO is bootable ;) I think yes !
[13:27] < Jol> it's a stupid question, i know
[13:27] < huebi> Yes, it is. K7 only on AMD Athlon (Duron?)
[13:28] < Jol> Athlon!
[13:28] < Jol> thankQ
[13:28] < huebi> Jol: your welcome
[13:28] < huebi> Jol: you're welcome
[13:31] < Jol> thanks, i'm reading some rocklinux features and i'm sure it's a powerfull distrib
[13:32] < huebi> yes, it is. If you want an easy to customize source based Dist. you are right with rocklinux
[13:33] < Jol> good  
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[13:36] < [anders]> I prefer ROCK to other distributions as it is an easier environment to 'roll your own stuff'
[13:37] < Jol> on the 1.5.17 there is gcc 2-95 , it's possible to update my rocklinux on gcc 3.1
[13:37] < Jol> It's easy to create new package ?
[13:37] < [anders]> Jol: the 1.7 snapshots have gcc 3.1
[13:37] < [anders]> Jol: yes.. reasonably easy to do..
[13:38] < [anders]> as in creating new packages..
[13:39] < huebi> Jol: Yes, but very much work. I would use 1.7 then as a base for that, but this is far from beeing usable. 1.5.x will not have gcc 3.1 in the near future
[13:39] < Jol> yep but with my 1.5.17 can I upgrade to 1.7 ?
[13:39] < clifford> Jol: be carefully when upgrading a running gcc2 system to gcc3. The gcc c++ ABI has changed and so you can't mix e.g. gcc2 c++ libs with gcc3 c++ applications. (This has no effect on normal c applications.)
[13:40] < huebi> Jol: you can use 1.5.17 as a working system. But upgrading is much work.
[13:40] < Jol> ok
[13:40] < clifford> huebi: 1.7 far from beeing stable. (stable != useable)
[13:40] < Jol> ;)
[13:40] < clifford> huebi: how is the 1.5 article doing?
[13:41] < huebi> It's on my ToDo list this evening between 17:00 and 18:00
[13:45] < huebi> Yesterday I tested runlvedit very extensive. It is the best tool/script I ever used for managing the startup scripts.
[13:45] < huebi> clifford: Did you write it?
[13:46] < clifford> huebi: sure. who else?
[13:47]   clifford is afraied huebi will not like the 1.7 runlvedit.
[13:47] < Jol> Why ?
[13:47] < huebi> clifford: I don't know. It's really good how you wrote it. Simple, strait forward and easy to understand.
[13:47] < Jol> He likes it !
[13:48] < clifford> huebi: .. but it's not very fail save and re-creates the rc.d tree every time (instead of just making the changes neccassary.
[13:48] < clifford> that's why I re-wrote it in 1.7.
[13:49] < clifford> (also the 1.7 runlvedit is using dialog() - that's why I thought that you might not like it)
[13:49] < th> strange. that machine has 1280MB of ram. but linux just knows about 900740k
[13:49] < clifford> ... and it's written in shell so one doesn't need perl for editing the system runlevels.
[13:49] < th> hmm i need highmem for this
[13:49] < huebi> th: new kernel needed.
[13:49] < huebi> th: ACK
[13:50] < huebi> 4GB
[13:50] < th> hope that does not imply problems with agpgart or stuff
[13:50] < Jol> bye, see you later !
[13:51] < huebi> clifford: Does the new runlvedit take attention on custom links? e.g. to scripts not located in /etc/init.d ?
[13:51] < huebi> th: No. There are no problems with that.
[13:51] < huebi> cu Jol
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[13:52]   huebi has 3 boxes with more than 900MB RAM. Same thing every time but no problems with high memory support.
[13:52] < clifford> huebi: no. you need to make rc?.d/S10foobar a link to init.d/foobar which is a link to the real script then.
[13:53] < clifford> (as in 1.5).
[13:53] < huebi> clifford: That was the way I did it till now.
[13:53] < huebi> so no change in that. nice.
[13:54] < clifford> https://www.rocklinux.org/sources/misc/sysfiles/usr/sbin/runlvedit
[13:54] < clifford> .. but don't try it on a 1.5 system ...
[13:55] < th> clifford: btw. how do you gather the version-information for 1.5 in the "Versions" box on the w3? ATM it's stuck at 1.5.12 (devel)
[13:56] < th> but that's far from the truth
[13:57] < clifford> th: I told huebi on linuxtag that he should send me download information etc. for the webpage. he did not so far ..
[13:57] < huebi> clifford: I want a comment in runlvedit about the style of the setup scripts. With example, please. That is very nice to have it handy for own special scripts.
[13:58] < clifford> huebi: what style? just do whatever you want in this scripts.
[13:58] < huebi> clifford: ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/ <- here are all versions.
[13:58] < th> clifford: wget -q -O - 'https://www.cvs.rocklinux.de/cvs/viewcvs.cgi/~checkout~/rock-1.5/VERSION'
[13:59] < clifford> Is URL for public use??
[13:59] < huebi> sysklogd        01  -23--  linux system logging utilities <- How to get the description for the script, e.g.
[13:59] < th> clifford: i don't think so
[13:59] < clifford> (public use = homepage)
[13:59] < th> clifford: i don't think so
[13:59] < clifford> so - no 1.5 on the official homepage ..
[13:59] < th> clifford: hmm what URL where you talking about?
[13:59] < clifford> .. at least until I've found a new master ftp server which can be accessed by everyone.
[13:59] < th> download.rocklinux.de?
[14:00] < clifford> yes.
[14:00] < th> hmm
[14:00] < th> there is that mirror in .se
[14:00] < clifford> is this SMP's server?
[14:00] < th> clifford: ack
[14:00] < clifford> so it's not for public use at all.
[14:00] < th> ack
[14:01] < clifford> It has been on the homepage once and SMP called me two days later that he is far over the bandwith limit for the server.
[14:01] < th> yepp. i know
[14:02] < huebi> clifford: can you get a ftp mirror?
[14:03] < clifford> we have ftp mirrors - we need a master server. Here is the problem:
[14:03] < clifford> all server mirror from gd.tuwien.ac.at
[14:03] < clifford> gd.tuwien.ac.at mirrors from a server housed at gentics.com
[14:03] < clifford> this is not my server - I only have a normal user account.
[14:03] < th> clifford: download.rocklinux.de can be the master
[14:04] < huebi> th ack
[14:04] < clifford> The server is located in austria and I'm only allowed to produce national traffic on that machine.
[14:04] < th> hmm
[14:05] < th> clifford: ftp://194.47.210.193/unstable/
[14:05] < clifford> wronline uebersiedelt die server nach amsterdam und die zukunft von world.wronline ist nicht gesichert.
[14:06] < th> ftp://194.47.210.193/unstable/ ist in .se
[14:06] < th> clifford: ich denke, dass die zukunft von world.wronline eher sicherer wird durch die uebersiedlung
[14:06] < th> clifford: entweder geht der server mit nach amsterdam oder er bleibt im jetzigen noc mit niedrigeren preisen
[14:07] < clifford> th: bei serverhousing wird nach platzverbrauch verrechnet - wer zahlt den platz den world.wronline verbraucht?
[14:07] < th> clifford: wer zahlt ihn im moment?
[14:07] < clifford> nimand - weil er direkt bei wronline steht wo der platz nichts kostet.
[14:07] < esden> hi all
[14:08] < th> clifford: und das kann er auch in zukunft tun!
[14:08] < clifford> hi esden.
[14:08] < clifford> esden: warum haben die irc ascii logs den dateimodus 600 ???
[14:09] < clifford> th: wenn die server in amsterdam stehen wird wronline nicht weiterhin fette standleitungen in de finanzieren.
[14:09] < esden> hmm ...
[14:09] < th> clifford: es bleiben server in wr
[14:09] < th> clifford: so wie meiner z.b.
[14:09] < esden> clifford: no idea ... weil die auf meinem server standardmaessig mit diesen rechten erstellt werden ... ??
[14:10] < clifford> esden: kannst du das bitte aendern?
[14:10] < esden> hmm...
[14:10] < esden> clifford: welche rechte wuerdest du gerne haben ?
[14:11] < th> interessante formulierung der frage ;-)
[14:11] < clifford> 644 - sonst kann der webserver die files nicht lesen.
[14:11] < esden> hmm ...
[14:11] < esden> aber bei mir auf dem rechner sind die rechte richtig ...
[14:11] < esden> da macht rsync was falsch
[14:12] < huebi> esden: umask?
[14:12] < th> sicher ne 77er umask
[14:12] < esden> ??? hae
[14:12] < huebi> umask - set file creation mask
[14:13] < esden> aha ... mom
[14:13] < clifford> th: ich hab' von smp ein mail vom 17. jun in dem er das problem so schildert und feststellt dass wir den ftp master nicht auf world legen koennen.
[14:14] < huebi> Einen Master server brauchen wir. linux.mathematik.tu-darmstadt.de koennte dann der offizielle Masterserver fuer die Mirrors sein.
[14:15] < huebi> linux hat also als einziger zugang zum Master
[14:15] < th> huebi: der zieht doch im moment von smp?
[14:15] < huebi> th: noch nicht. das wollte ich aber jetzt die Tage mal anleiern.
[14:15] < clifford> huebi: ein weiteres problem ist, dass wir in zukunft alle ftp mirror direkt vom master saugen lassen wollen um schnellere updatezeiten zu gewaehrleisten.
[14:16] < th> clifford: darin seh ich kein problem
[14:18] < clifford> So wie es augenblicklich ausseht werden wir ueber lang oder kurz mehr als 100GB pro monat traffic haben nur um unsere ftp server up-to-date zu halten ..
[14:18] < esden> clifford: jetzt sollten die dateien richtige rechte haben
[14:18] < clifford> esden: danke.
[14:18] < esden> clifford: ich habe noch ein -p flag hinzugefuegt
[14:19] < esden> clifford: die seite fuer die logs sieht sehr gut aus
[14:19] < clifford> esden: danke fuer die blumen ..  :-)
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[14:20] < esden> clifford: bitte bitte ;-)
[14:20] < esden> clifford: ich wuerde den link zu den stats besser sichtbar machen ...
[14:22] < clifford> esden: die sind imo sowieso eher fuer die leute von interesse die bereits hier chatten.
[14:23] < esden> hmm ... stimmt
[14:24] < clifford> esden: Bzgl. "donations page". Kannst du mir ein *.in file schreiben wie du dir die page vorstellst?
[14:25] < clifford> imo sollten wir aber zwei regeln fuer die page definieren:
[14:25] < clifford> 1. um gelistet zu werden muss man ein ueber web zugaengliches changelog verwalten (jemand der was spendet sollte ja wissen wofuer er spendet)
[14:26] < clifford> 2. wir sollten in irgend einer form offenlegen wie viel (bzw. wenig) in einem gewissen zeitraum gespendet wurde
[14:31] < esden> ja clifford ich werde es mal schreiben ...
[14:31] < clifford> danke.
[14:31] < esden> heute kann ich nichts versprechnen ... denn ich muss meinen router mit OpenBSD fuettern
[14:31] < esden> man muss ja seinen feind kennenlernen .. *fg&
[14:31] < esden> *
[14:31] < clifford> esden: kein problem...  *g*
[14:31] < huebi> esden: Warum kein ROCK Linux?
[14:31] < esden> huebi: weil ich OpenBSD kennenlernen will
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[14:32] < huebi> moin bluefire
[14:32] < bluefire> ih
[14:32] < bluefire> i mean "Hi" ;)
[14:32] < esden> huebi: wenn ich nicht genuegent andere systeme kenne kann ich nicht ein besseres system als die haben bauen ... deshalb schaue ich mir alles was ich kann an
[14:32] < esden> hi bluefire
[14:33] < huebi> esden: Teste doch einfach mal 1.5.17 ob es denn so richtig stabil ist.
[14:34] < esden> huebi: mache ich auch ... den kriegt mein laptop heute verpasst
[14:34] < huebi> esden: sehr gut.
[14:35] < esden> huebi: hast du meine bitte das die quellen von pcmcia-cs als paket auf der cd sind mitbekommen ?
[14:36] < huebi> erm. noe.
[14:38] < clifford> esden: kann es sein, dass LUG Ingolstadt im letzten LinuxMagazin war?
[14:40] < esden> clifford: ja ... kann sehr wohl sein
[14:41] < esden> wenn ich mich richtig entsinne sollten die da erscheinen ... aber ich habe noch das letzte linux magazin nicht gelesen ... ich schaue heute nach
[14:41] < clifford> da war naemlich ein bild von einer install party mit einem ROCK Linux Logon screen ...
[14:41] < esden> ja ... das war der aszlig
[14:41] < esden> der fuettert alles was schaltkreise hat mommentan mit rock ;-)
[14:42] < clifford> btw: Ich hab grad util-linux (hwclock) fuer alpha gapatcht. Ist dann im naechsten snapshot.
[14:42] < esden> clifford: sehr gut danka
[14:42] < esden> muss ich dann mal backporten
[14:42]   clifford hates mips (somehow) ..
[14:43] < esden> clifford: aber was mich mehr interessieren wuerde ist curl ... wenn du momment zeit hast koenntest mal reinschauen ... denn ich glaube ich komme vor morgen nicht dazu ...
[14:44] < clifford> esden: Ich mach grad cross-builds fuer alle architectures. Meine Alpha AXP is dz. out of order ..
[14:44] < huebi> Weiss jemand eine Soundkarte, die moeglichst mehrere Ausgangsstereokanaele hat fuer die Wiedergabe von mp3s unter Linux? Ich brauche einen mp3-Server mit mehreren Kanaelen.
[14:44] < esden> clifford: schlecht ...
[14:44] < huebi> esden: Hast du dir qt schon angesehen?
[14:45] < esden> huebi: nope
[14:45] < huebi> esden: Wann hast du Zeit dazu?
[14:45] < esden> huebi: weiss ich noch nicht ... aber ich hoffe noch vor dem wochenende ... ausserdem hat qt bei mir nicht so die priorietaet
[14:46] < esden> mir sind im momment die installationsdisketten ... und cd's viel wichtiger
[14:46] < esden> wenn das funktioniert kann ich mich um qt kuemmern
[14:46] < huebi> esden: hat die holyolli nicht schon fast fertig?
[14:47] < esden> huebi: nicht das ich wuesste ... der hat es am linux tag per hand gebaut ...
[14:47] < fake> morgen.
[14:47] < esden> hi fake
[14:47] < esden> !!
[14:47] < huebi> tach fake
[14:47] < fake> clifford: why do you hate mips?
[14:47] < fake> huebi: ich kenn da was
[14:47] < fake> Audiowerk heisst die
[14:48] < huebi> esden: Er hat mir gesagt, dass er die scripte schon fertig hatte, dann aber den Kram aus Versehen geloescht hat.
[14:48] < fake> 8 Kanaele in und Digital Out, bis zu 8 glaube ich
[14:48] < huebi> fake: Hast du eine URL?
[14:48] < esden> huebi: hehe ... dann bringen die mir in geloeschter form leider nichts ;-)
[14:48] < fake> huebi: no :(
[14:49] < huebi> esden: red' mal mit ihm, wie weit er ist. Ohne QT kein KDE.
[14:49] < esden> kk mache ich
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[14:52] < fake> Arbeitet, als würdet ihr kein Geld brauchen, Liebt,
[14:52] < fake> als hätte euch noch nie jemand verletzt, Tanzt, als
[14:52] < fake> würde keiner hinschauen, Singt, als würde keiner
[14:52] < fake> zuhören, Lebt, als wäre das Paradies auf der Erde.
[14:54] < fake> == 14:51:25 =[9]=> Building x11/orbit2 [2.4.0 1.7.0-DEV-200207221835].
[14:54] < fake> sw33t.
[14:54] < esden> fake: on which machine ?
[14:54] < fake> esden: my P3
[14:54] < fake> ia32
[14:54] < esden> ahh ok
[14:55] < fake> esden: 200207221835 - i wouldn't be that fast on a mips.
[14:55] < fake> NEVER.
[14:55] < esden> yes that is right ...
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[14:56] < [anders]> hmmm.. screen died on me..
[14:57] < fake> "Suddenly the dungeon collapses... you die." ?
[14:57] < [anders]> fake: that's the baby..
[14:57] < fake> that what i always get.
[14:57]   clifford reading scrollback
[14:58] < [anders]> irritating when it happens as I usually run things in screen for a long time and for a specific reason..
[14:59]   [anders] is going to raise a few defect now though.. busy busy busy...
[14:59] < huebi> root     28600  0.0  0.2  2072  616 ?        S    Jun13   2:18 SCREEN -q
[15:00] < clifford> fake: I hate mips because my cross build failes on glibc ..
[15:00] < fake> clifford: with gcc2.
[15:00] < clifford> fake: yes. shall  use gcc3 ?
[15:01] < fake> clifford: that mangeld me for a long time. until i asked on #mipslinux.
[15:01] < fake> only answer: what do you want with gcc2 ?
[15:01] < clifford> (the problem with gcc3 is that it failes to cross-build itself on all architectures.)
[15:01]   clifford is disabling gcc2 on mips ..
[15:01] < fake> clifford: use gcc-3.2
[15:01] < fake> clifford: kewl.
[15:02] < clifford> fake: very simple: "[R] - mips" in gcc2.desc
[15:03] < fake> clifford: i also have a patch for gcc2.conf
[15:03] < fake> it's a small one
[15:03] < fake> you have to specify --disable-libgcj
[15:03] < fake> on mips. as gcc-3.1's configure is broken on mips/libgcj
[15:03] < fake> shall i paste it?
[15:03] < clifford> pls. send it per mail.
[15:04] < fake> :-/
[15:04] < fake> okay.
[15:04] < fake> but it's ugly. as always.
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[15:06] < huebi> cu later. I go to the bank getting some money...
[15:06] < fake> huebi: bring me some, too...
[15:10] < fake> clifford: mail sent.
[15:13] < fake> (but libgcj is'nt built in a cross-build anyways)
[15:13] < clifford> fake: and in stages < 2
[15:14] < fake> well, natively it _shoudlnt_
[15:14] < fake> but it wanted to on mips.
[15:14] < fake> in stage 2...
[15:14] < clifford> [ "$arch" = mips ] && confopt="$confopt --disable-libgcj"
[15:14] < fake> you have to tell confirue explicitly not to try building it
[15:14] < fake> clifford: :P
[15:17] < rolla> re
[15:21] < clifford> hmm ... according to https://gcc.gnu.org/ gcc3.2 should become releases these days.
[15:21] < clifford> should I update to the 2002-07-22 sbnapshot?
[15:23]   esden -> bitz
[15:29] < fake> clifford: huh?
[15:39] < clifford> fake: ?
[15:39] < fake> update _to the_ 2002-07-22 snapshot?
[15:39] < fake> that one's already out, right?
[15:40] < fake> well, it should, as i almost finished a build.
[15:40] < clifford> gcc3.2 will be released soon. should I update to the 2002-07-22 _gcc_ snapshot?
[15:40] < fake> ah..... *dingeling*
[15:41] < fake> clifford: no, we can wait another week, can't we?
[15:41] < fake> clifford: we'll be the first distro to use it anyways.
[15:41] < clifford> maybe ..
[15:42] < fake> clifford: then you'd also have to update to gcc-2.95.5 or whatever it is
[15:47] < clifford> fake: 2.95.5 ???
[15:47] < fake> well.. the latest devel snapshot - wichever that may be
[15:47] < fake> maybe even more
[15:48] < clifford> hae? maybe you mean 2.96 from redhat ?
[15:49] < clifford> .. that's a CVS checkout with tons of redhat modifications and is far away from beeing an official gcc devel snapshot.
[15:49] < fake> clifford: oh, maybe i ment that.
[15:50] < fake> ralf baechle mentioned that somewhere as being usable for mips
[15:50] < fake> but still saif gcc3 is way better.
[15:50] < fake> clifford: how about updating binutils?
[15:50] < clifford> I'll wait for 3.2 and see if the cross-build problems are solved in that release. until then I will simply ignore it.
[15:51] < fake> oookai
[15:51]   clifford is running ./scripts/Check-PkgVersion.
[15:53] < clifford> wow - bash 2.05b is out.
[15:54] < fake> == 18:18:47 =[0]=> Building base/glibc [cvs 1.7.0-DEV-200207221835].
[15:54] < fake> ^---- mips timer sucks
[15:54] < clifford> how long did that take?
[15:55] < fake> clifford: 6 minutes
[15:55] < fake> == 07/23/02 18:24:41 =[0]=> Aborted building package glibc.
[15:55] < fake> >_<
[15:55] < clifford> :-)
[15:55] < fake> > *** On GNU/Linux systems the GNU C Library should not be installed i ..
[15:55] < fake> > *** /usr/local since this might make your system totally unusable.
[15:55] < fake> > *** We strongly advise to use a different prefix.  For details read  ..
[15:55] < fake> > *** If you really mean to do this, run configure again using the ext ..
[15:55] < fake> > *** parameter `--disable-sanity-checks'.
[15:55] < fake> huh?
[15:56] < fake> who said /usr/local ? baka!
[15:56] < fake> ah. stage 0.
[15:56] < fake> where prefix=$root
[15:56] < clifford> hae??
[15:56] < fake> --disable-sanity-checks it is, then.
[15:57] < clifford> fake: maybe 'configparms' is not used by the cvs version you are using>
[15:58] < fake> clifford: hm.
[15:59]   fake disabling sanity checks.
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[16:01] < Mike1> Moin
[16:01] < fake> hi Mike1
[16:01] < clifford> hi Mike1
[16:01]   fake looking if there is still some coffee powder...
[16:01] < Mike1> hallo fake and clifford :)
[16:01] < fake> (we can't buy any new.. *argh*)
[16:03] < Mike1> there will be a computer even in Costa Rica next month and d3main and i have been looking forward to have ROCK Linux stand over here, anyone would like to join us?
[16:03] < Mike1> its called 'Compuexpo'
[16:04] < clifford> Mike1: s/even/event/ .... gives it a compleatly new sense.  :-)
[16:04] < Mike1> clifford: hehe yeah much better :)
[16:06] < fake> es its alles vorbei
[16:07] < clifford> fake: ?
[16:07] < fake> das ist das ende
[16:07] < fake> *wimmer*
[16:07] < fake> wir haben keinen kaffee mehr :_:
[16:07] < clifford> kein caffe mehr?
[16:07]   clifford gibt fake ne jolt cola.
[16:08]   Mike1 has never tryed a jolt cola
[16:08] < Mike1> someone should send me one
[16:08] < clifford> Mike1: you didn't missed anything.
[16:09] < clifford> RedBull or FlyingHorse are much better ..
[16:09] < fake> *** WARNING: Do you really want to install the GNU C Library into /usr/local?
[16:09] < fake> *** This might make your system totally unusable, for details read the FAQ.
[16:09] < fake> huh?
[16:09] < fake> ah. whatever.
[16:09] < Mike1> clifford: ok good i have some RedBull here :)
[16:09] < Mike1> fake: thats just a fake
[16:09] < Mike1> :)
[16:10] < fake> i hope so.
[16:10] < clifford> fake: pls. check if configure is using configparms before you shoot your system..
[16:10] < fake> okay.
[16:11] < fake> clifford: configparams is a shell-variable that gets imported by configure, right?
[16:11] < clifford> fake: no/
[16:12] < fake> clifford: hm. easy way to check it?
[16:12] < clifford> it's a file in the glibc source directory created by glibc.conf
[16:12] < fake> grep configparams configure
[16:12] < clifford> goto the glibc source directory and type 'grep configparms * 2> /dev/null'
[16:13] < clifford> fake: I'm not sure if it's really configure itself which reads in the file.
[16:13] < fake> nothing. :(
[16:13] < clifford> so it's clear why it wants to install the stuff in /usr/local ..
[16:14] < fake> okay... so move that in glibc.desc from the top (configparams) to --prefix... etc?
[16:15] < clifford> yes. but try it in glibc.conf instead.. ;-)
[16:15]   clifford will cleanup glibc.conf a bit today.
[16:15] < fake> oh, well, yes. might be better.
[16:15] < fake> clifford: nooo... than i can't undestand it anymore.
[16:20] < clifford> fake: configparms should be included by Makeconfig
[16:20] < fake> yes, i saw it.
[16:20] < fake> but it isn't.
[16:25] < Mike1> huebi: please tell me you are awake
[16:29] < Mike1> someone has a sparc bootable image that i can download fast???please i blowed a production server by misstyping silo.cong i need to cherrot to fix it
[16:29] < fake> *** On GNU/Linux systems the GNU C Library should not be installed inton
[16:29] < fake> *** /usr/local since this might make your system totally unusable.
[16:29] < fake> *ARGH*
[16:32] < Mike1> clifford: do you have _any_ linux sparc bootable cd any distro any kernel
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[16:38] < fake> Mike1: debian
[16:41] < fake> clifford: oops. typo.
[16:41] < fake> i grepped for configparams instead of configparms
[17:04] < clifford> is it there?
[17:04] < clifford> ( -> fake )
[17:05] < fake> yes.
[17:05] < clifford> does it work?
[17:06] < fake> no.
[17:06] < clifford> too bad.
[17:06] < fake> i don't know why up to now.
[17:07]   clifford updated the following packages:
[17:07] < clifford> alsa-driver-0.9.0rc2, bash-2.05b, binutils-2.12.90.0.15,
[17:07] < clifford> cpio-2.5, curl-7.9.8, dump-0.4b29, file-3.39, gdb-5.2.1,
[17:07] < clifford> gettext-0.11.3, ghostscript-7.21, groff-1.18, gsl-1.2,
[17:07] < clifford> ifhp-3.5.10, libsafe-2.0-16, LPRng-3.8.13, lvm_1.0.5,
[17:07] < clifford> man-pages-1.52, man-1.5k, modutils-2.4.18, netpbm-10.5,
[17:07] < clifford> nfs-utils-1.0.1, pcmcia-cs-3.1.34, quota-3.06, readline-4.3,
[17:07] < clifford> sendmail-8.12.5, tcsh-6.12.00, units-1.80, util-linux-2.11t
[17:07] < fake> clifford: woo!
[17:08] < clifford> pretty easy with scripts/Check-PkgVersion and scripts/CreatePkgUpdPatch ..
[17:10] < clifford> fake: in which format do you need the kernel on mips?
[17:10] < clifford> just the vmlinux file?
[17:11] < fake> hm... then elftoecoff
[17:11] < fake> and dvhtool instead of lilo.
[17:12] < clifford> elftoecoff? hmm.. that's a problem when doing a cross-build.
[17:12] < fake> clifford: why?
[17:13] < clifford> because I don't have to tool on e.g. an ia32 box.
[17:14] < fake> clifford: it's in arch/mips/boot/ iirc.
[17:14] < fake> and glibc still wants to build into /usr/local.
[17:15] < fake> yuki:/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/boot# gcc -o elf2ecoff elf2ecoff.c
[17:15] < fake> yuki:/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/boot# ./elf2ecoff
[17:15] < fake> usage: elf2aout <elf executable> <a.out executable> [-a]
[17:15] < fake> yuki:/usr/src/linux/arch/mips/boot#
[17:16] < fake> elf2aout?
[17:16] < fake> hm.
[17:20] < clifford> fake: what do you suggest as the output name? vmlinux.ecoff ?
[17:21] < fake> clifford: it looks like it's actually elf2aout
[17:21] < fake> (at least it calls itself efl2aout
[17:21] < fake> )
[17:22] < fake> clifford: where is Makeconfig included?/executed?
[17:22] < fake> evaluated?
[17:23] < fake> i can only find "Makefile:include Makeconfig"
[17:23] < fake> but that's a little late.
[17:23] < fake> no wonder configure complains.
[17:24] < clifford> fake: it's only included by various Makefiles - that's correct.
[17:24] < fake> woo. so how should configure know that i give an install_root through directly?
[17:25] < fake> and that i do not want to install in /usr/local ?
[17:25] < clifford> try givin configure the --prefix option in addition to specifying it in configparms
[17:26] < clifford> (or diable the check)
[17:26] < fake> hm... okay.
[17:26] < fake> or both.
[17:26] < clifford> no. one should be enough.
[17:26] < fake> but then i'd have to give --prefix=/usr
[17:26] < clifford> disabling the check might be better
[17:27] < fake> . o O ( if configparms doesn't work, my system has an unstable glibc installed )
[17:27] < clifford> right - and that's the problem: this _must_not_ be used for installing glibc
[17:27] < fake> hm.
[17:27] < clifford> if you just disable the checks you will end up with a glibc installed in usr/local.
[17:27] < fake> that's fine.
[17:28] < clifford> your ld.so _should_ ignore it because there is alrady a glibc in /lib and /usr/lib ..
[17:28] < clifford> fake: how would you call the converted vmlinux? vmlinux.ecoff?
[17:29] < fake> clifford: hm.. i'd call it use_this_dumbass, but just for me.
[17:29] < fake> so i don't care. vmlinux.ecoff is fine with me.
[17:30] < clifford> . o O ( as always, fake is very polite .. )
[17:30] < clifford> ok. so it's vmlinux.ecoff
[17:30] < clifford> or better said: would be if there wouldn't be this assembler problem ...
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[17:31] < fake> clifford: the only person i am not polite to is me.
[17:35]   Mike1 gets back after having the most scary, stressing and terrifing minutes of his life
[17:36] < Mike1> re
[17:37] < th> wb Mike1
[17:37] < Mike1> thanks th
[17:37] < th> what's up?
[17:37] < Mike1> my master mail server went down for about 10 minutes :((
[17:38] < th> outch
[17:38] < th> thrilling
[17:39] < Mike1> th yeah i asked a partner to configure lilo
[17:39] < Mike1> oop silo
[17:39] < Mike1> he removed old vmlinux boot and left only the new one
[17:39] < th> outch
[17:39] < th> bad boy
[17:39] < Mike1> which was linux 2.4.18
[17:40] < Mike1> and didnt boot !
[17:40] < Mike1> i swear to god i will kill him when he gets out the bathroom
[17:40] < clifford> :-)
[17:40] < Mike1> yes he made on his pans
[17:41] < th> hrrr
[17:41] < th> need to carry an RMA-packet to post-office...
[17:41] < th> bbl
[17:42] < clifford> bbl
[17:44] < fake> clifford: it seams to work. gcc gets -isystem $root passed.
[17:44] < fake> seems.
[18:01] < th> re
[18:03] < Mike1> re th
[18:07] < [anders]> Right.. Time to go home and try out the 2.4.19-rc3-ac3 kernel and my home-cooked initrd (in the vain hope it'll sort out my OHCI/UHCI problems and also give me EHCI..)
[18:07] -!- Ge0rG is now known as ge0rg
[18:08] < Mike1> lo [anders]
[18:08] < [anders]> If I only was not so damned tired all the time.. Not very funny being half asleep driving to and from work and not have the energy to do anything outside of work..
[18:09] < [anders]> you Mike1 :-)  Did you get those things fixed in the private build that failed building for you?
[18:09] < Mike1> [anders]: yes it already build base+opt :)
[18:10] < Mike1> [anders]: i am not working on the latest cvs
[18:10] < Mike1> lol damn typos
[18:10] < Mike1> s/not/now
[18:10] < [anders]> Mike1: good stuff.. I should probably pull down CVS and diff against my tree to see what has changed and do a risk assessment.. If low risk, apply patch and sync with tree...
[18:11] < [anders]> Or do things one by one and try and sort out problems and feed patches back.. :)
[18:11] < Mike1> which is more fun :)
[18:11] < [anders]> Yes, if you understand what is going wrong.. ;-)
[18:12] < [anders]> Mike1: you seen the screenshots of my Gnome2 install? :)
[18:12] < Mike1> if you dont undertand its ok to so you can learn.. all you have to is bother huebi or clifford *grin*
[18:12] < Mike1> [anders]: no , can i have a link?
[18:13] < [anders]> https://trudheim.org/Screenshot.png   <-- about 250kB
[18:15] < Mike1> [anders]: very nice my friend :)
[18:15] < [anders]> https://trudheim.org/Screenshot2.png    <-- about 600kB
[18:15] < [anders]> https://trudheim.org/Screenshot3.png   <-- about 600kB
[18:16] < [anders]> in screenshot 3 there is use of AA fonts.. :)
[18:16]   fake taking a look.
[18:17] < fake> [anders]: that 3 - screenshot looks ugly in NS 4.79
[18:19] < fake> but i looks sw33t in Mozilla
[18:19] < [anders]> fake: how you mean 'ugly' ? :)
[18:19] < fake> [anders]: the fonts had a cow-pattern
[18:19] < fake> black-white-mix
[18:21] < [anders]> fake: aahh.. probably a rendering problem in Nutscrape then... the pix look fine in xv or Gimp... :)
[18:22] < [anders]> I have found something really sweet in Gnome2.. In Nautilus, if you have Eye of Gnome installed, you can zoom in/out in pictures you clicked to view with Nautilus..
[18:22] < [anders]> and when you stop zooming, it will anti-alias the picture for you.. :)
[18:22] < [anders]> Reeeeeaally cool stuff.. Nearly wet myself when I found it.. ;-)
[18:23] < fake> yes. in moz/msg rolla big time. yes.
[18:23] < fake> huh.
[18:23] < fake> i need more coffee.
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[18:26] < [anders]> ok, htx is running on my cluster.. time to go home and eat something..
[18:27] < Mike1> [anders]: enjoy ur food
[18:29] < [anders]> Mike1: thanks.. I am sure I will.. Probably will be a few rounds of toast, but that is enough for me.. :)
[18:29] < [anders]> cya guys later.. going afk now.. :)
[18:30] < Mike1> nice
[18:30] < Mike1> cu [anders]
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[18:41] < th> [anders]: any EHCI news?
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[18:55] < owl> hi
[19:01] < fake> ah. coffee.
[19:01] < fake> no i'm broke, but at least i have coffee.
[19:01] < fake> now
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[19:17] < WKaibigan> Must have been expensive coffee :-)
[19:24] < fake> WKaibigan: 2,29 EUR per kg.
[19:24] < fake> so, no.
[19:27]   fake brennt owl mit einem Laser "Ich weiss es nicht." auf die Netzhaut.
[19:34]   fake is a bit away...
[19:34] < fake> hacking old ugly PHP code
[19:44] < Freak> houpc?
[19:46] < blindcoder> *argh*
[19:46] < blindcoder> can someone explain gdb to me?
[19:46] < blindcoder> or better:
[19:46]   fake kommt wirklich grade im fernsehen?
[19:46] < blindcoder> why does a program invoked with gdb is unable to connect to mysql
[19:46] < blindcoder> while it is able to connect when run without gdb
[19:47] < fake> unix sockets?
[19:47] < blindcoder> yeah
[19:48] < Freak> fake was on tv??
[19:49] < fake> blindcoder: try using TCP
[19:49] < fake> Freak: yes... some local station
[19:49] < blindcoder> is it enabled on apollo?
[19:49] < Freak> fake: how come?
[19:49] < blindcoder> bchat is on TV, that's why FAKE, esden and me are on air :-)
[19:49] < blindcoder> oh, and praenti, too
[19:49] < fake> and Mike1
[19:50] < Freak> .........
[19:50] < Freak> send me snapshots.
[19:51] < Freak> I think I don't get it.
[19:51]   fake advertising rock.
[19:51] < Freak> you're fooling Freak.
[19:52] < fake> nope.
[19:53] < fake> digitized version will be up when the event is over.
[19:53] < huebi> re
[19:53] < fake> re huebi
[19:53] < huebi> hi fake
[19:53] < Mike1> re huebi :)
[19:54] < huebi> hi Mike1 ;-)
[19:54] < huebi> Mike1: I have no bootable sparc CD except the one I got from you (splack)
[19:55] < Mike1> huebi: no worry is made a couple of tricky things with silo and made it boot again :)
[20:13] < Mike1> huebi: what do you think about adding 'eject' to base?
[20:15] < huebi> eject - unmount and eject changeable media?
[20:15] < huebi> like in solaris?
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[20:23] < bluefire> re
[20:23] < huebi> moin bluefire
[20:24] < bluefire> huebi: Naja... "moin" ist jetzt aber auch schon rum ;
[20:24] < bluefire> ))
[20:24] < huebi> naja ;-)
[20:24] < huebi> fsck. The mailserver I use is offline.
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[20:33]   [anders] is off for a reboot..
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[20:39] < Mike1> huebi: yes eject as in 'eject /dev/cdroms/cdrom0'
[20:56]   Mike1 away to lunch
[21:08] < oversize> hi.... i ´ve downloaded a rar archive, supposed to be the rock linux iso filez, but i just can find a *.bin file ... where is the *.cue file ? do i need it to brun the iso ? or is there another way ?
[21:09] < huebi> oversize: URL?
[21:09] < oversize> where i got this file from ?
[21:09] < oversize> sec
[21:09] < oversize> ftp://download.rocklinux.de/1.5/1.5.15/rock-intel-i586-base+opt-1.5.15_2002-05-27_02h30.iso
[21:10] < huebi> oversize: just burn it
[21:10] < oversize> the bin file ?
[21:10] < huebi> where is there a bin file?
[21:10] < oversize> i thougth i always have to have a *cur file for burning bins
[21:11] < oversize> in the root of the directory ...
[21:11] < huebi> .iso = .raw
[21:11] < oversize> extractet ...
[21:16] < Mike1> oversize: you just need to 'cdrecord -v dev=<path/to/burner> speed=8 rock-xx.iso
[21:16]   Mike1 back
[21:17] < oversize> uh ... my burner runs under win ;)
[21:18] < Mike1> oversize: i think there a software in win that could burn .iso files
[21:18] < oversize> o niw i got you ;)
[21:18] < Mike1> i think its named "Nero" or something like that
[21:19] < rolla> Mike1: Nero Burner
[21:19] < huebi> oversize: https://www.mandrakelinux.com/en/howtos/iso/howtoisoen.html
[21:19] < oversize> i extractet the file, as if it were an rar archive ...
[21:19] < oversize> thx...
[21:19] < huebi> oversize: iso is not compressed
[21:20] < Mike1> rolla: thanks
[21:20] < Mike1> oversize: use nero burner to burn .iso images
[21:21] < oversize> i do ;) ... i somehow wanted to extract the .iso file and was wondering wehre the iso file is lol?
[21:21] < Mike1> *g
[21:21] < Mike1> huebi: <Mike1> huebi: yes eject as in 'eject /dev/cdroms/cdrom0'
[21:32] < Mike1> huebi: ?
[21:33]   huebi on the phone
[21:33] < Mike1> k sorry
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[21:58] < oversize> is there some more documentation available then the documen* directory on the page ?
[22:00] < Mike1> oversize: what kind of documentation are you looking for?
[22:03] < oversize> actually some installation guide. i was kind of end of my skills, at the first input prompt #rock-install: :) so i thougth maybe theres mor to read.
[22:04] < Mike1> oversize: did you already had a look at the ROCK Linux Guide?
[22:04] < oversize> ehm no ... where i havent senn it on the page.. yet
[22:04] < oversize> -where
[22:04] < Mike1> oh there are just tex sources on the site or the Guide in spanish, but you can find on the rock cdrom
[22:05] < Mike1> have a look on it
[22:05] < oversize> yes i saw that spaniosh guide...
[22:05] < oversize> but i m lacking of speaking spanish ;)
[22:06] < Mike1> oversize: yeah thats bad i dont lack in spanish
[22:06]   Mike1 did rock guide spanish *grin*
[22:06] < oversize> aaah ... theres some to read on the cd .... 8)
[22:06] < Mike1> oversize: yes so enjoy your reading
[22:06] < Mike1> also you can ask here
[22:07] < oversize> mkay 8)
[22:07] < Mike1> or subscribe to the rock mailing list
[22:07] < Mike1> and email your questions :)
[22:07] < oversize> theres no particular question right now, but i will thx
[22:13] < Mike1> oversize: anytime :)
[22:13] < Mike1> oversize: can i ask you a question?
[22:20]   owl leaves you now
[22:20] < owl> gn8. cu tomorrow
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[22:31] < Mike1> Anyone know a mailing list soft eg. majordomo that can allow me to send mails with .html format and not only plain text???
[22:31] < Ge0rG> html mail is evil ;)
[22:32] < Mike1> Ge0rG: i know but i wanna get rid of my boss, he's been bothering me around for a while with this
[22:33] < Ge0rG> Mike1: show him how to turn off html mail in microsoft lookout ;)
[22:35] < Mike1> Ge0rG: i wish to but he wants to send the company's newsletters in html format :((
[22:36] < Ge0rG> maybe you can convince him that sending html mail is demotivating the staff? ;)
[22:38] < Mike1> Ge0rG: he's decided to do it and he gives a shit about the staff, he only cares about sysadmins
[22:38] < Mike1> as long as they do what he needs / wants
[22:43] < oversize> Mike1: oversize: can i ask you a question? sure do ! :)
[22:43] < Ge0rG> ,oO( "can i ask you two questions?" )
[22:44] < Mike1> oversize:  how did you know about rock?
[22:44] < Mike1> actually i will ask another one :)
[22:44] < oversize> i was searching for some other distribution then the mainstream ones (redhat suse) and found the url on linux.org
[22:45] < oversize> so i thouth give it a try
[22:45] < Mike1> oversize: and why did you got interested in rock?
[22:45] < Mike1> oversize: dont get me wrong just getting info for PR
[22:45] < oversize> hehe kk ;)
[22:46] < oversize> i want a linux box where just the services run that i wantd, and just the thing happen that i want. so a smaller dist. expnading with your needs is more controlledable than one big one where everything is preconfigured and installed
[22:47] < oversize> but this is tougher than i guessed :)
[22:48] < Mike1> oversize: hehe yeah of course otherwise what would happen to the fun?
[22:48] < Mike1> oversize: Building rock from the sources is the coolest thing :)
[22:49] < Mike1> thought for users comming from redhat, suse or mandrake the single fact of installing rock is a whole challenge
[22:49] < oversize> 8)
[22:49] < oversize> im sweating here ;)
[22:49] < Mike1> hehe :)
[22:50] < oversize> but thats because redhat and suse aims to be one out of the box system, where you dont need any basic knowledge of th os
[22:50] < oversize> i think thats kind of my prob...
[22:52] < Mike1> oversize dont worry you will enjoy ur journey from booting the cds till running x aplications and starting your own build in ur new rock system :)
[22:52] < Mike1> most of the rock users never go back to other distros
[22:52] < oversize> i hope so :) . but i know how frustrating this way can be.
[22:53] < oversize> hehe, i guesse this is because they really know whats happening in their box
[22:53] < Mike1> I can tell you by personal experience that it is a whole challenge but you will learn a lot and you will see things in a very different way, as i a positive thing of course
[22:54] < oversize> my luck is, i have a second pc where i can install it and use my running win to get help 8)
[22:54] < Mike1> oversize: rock linux is an Administrator Friendly distribution and not another userfriendly distro, administrators always want to have full control and be able to know whats going on and manipulte things as they wish not as defined
[22:55] < Mike1> oversize: yes but i am sure this will change very soon :)
[22:55] < oversize> 8) i hope so. but i still have to have another win pc here, becaus i m learning to programm on win32 systems
[22:56] < oversize> i m an apprentice i think its called
[22:56] < Mike1> :)
[22:56] < oversize> www.bonadt.de <-- hes my hief
[22:56] < oversize> chief
[22:56] < oversize> or chef or whatever
[22:56] < oversize> 8)
[22:56] < oversize> little late already
[22:57] < oversize> how long has there been a rock linux?
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[22:57] < oversize> so, i mean since when are you developing on it ?
[22:59] < Mike1> i have been working on rock for about 2 years now
[22:59] < Mike1> or a year and a half :) something like that
[22:59] < oversize> .. so you actually know the system a little bit ;)
[22:59] < oversize> *g
[23:00] < Mike1> oversize: mm lets say 1/2 a bit
[23:00] < Mike1> :)
[23:00] < oversize> hehe
[23:00]   oversize has to sleep now
[23:00] < oversize> cu
[23:01] < Mike1> oversize: ok good night
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[23:07] < Mike1> hi WKaibigan
[23:07] < Mike1> :)
[23:08] < WKaibigan> Hi again
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[23:25] < Mike1> huebi: awake?
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