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00:00 < Mike1> tsa: of course :)
00:00 * Mike1 promotes germanization
00:00 < Mike1> :)
00:00 < tsa> tambien podemos continuar en espanol... ;)
00:00 < Mike1> tsa: me parece perfecto amigo 
00:00 < tsa> Mike1: hehe
00:03 < tsa> Mike1: a mi no me importa, pero no se si todas personas aqui tambien conocen el espanol..
00:03 < th> WKaibigan: what CPUs can i use for it to stay silent?
00:03 < tsa> por eso, mejor continuemos en ingles.
00:03 < Mike1> bueno que mas algunas veces hablan en aleman y no todos entendemos aleman asi que esta bien :)
00:03 < tsa> hehe
00:04 < Mike1> donde aprendiste español Sebastian?
00:04 < WKaibigan> It comes with its own processor. There are two models. a 800Mhz and a 533Mhz.
00:04 < tsa> Mike1: en guatemala
00:04 < Mike1> tsa: cuanto tiempo estuviste en guatemala? estuviste muy cerca de mi pais 
00:04 < Mike1> :)
00:04 < tsa> Mike1: mi tio vive alli, pero he visitado a casi todos los paises en america central..
00:04 < th> WKaibigan: really cool then
00:05 < Mike1> tsa: cool, conoces Costa Rica?
00:05 < th> WKaibigan: are there sexy chasis for it?
00:05 < tsa> Mike1: si, lo se. como 3 o 4 veces, cada vez 3-8 semanas..
00:05 < tsa> Mike1: si..
00:05 < WKaibigan> Nice for making a MP3 jukebox etc. Not seen any cases for it but there are some available,
00:06 < th> WKaibigan: what will it cost?
00:06 < Mike1> tsa en que parte de Costa Rica estuviste? me gustaria que alguna vez vengas a mi visitarme para hacer un poco de "Codigo" juntos
00:06 < tsa> Mike1: visite a costa rice tambien, la region cerca del parque national manuel antonio, pienso..
00:06 < tsa> Mike1: ;-)
00:07 < Mike1> tsa: Manuel Antonio es un lugar muy bello, y hay mujeres muy bellas tambien :)
00:07 < tsa> haha...cierto
00:07 < WKaibigan> Don't know the price. Still trying to find a UK seller but my latest Linux Format magazine says it should be under £100.
00:07 < th> wow
00:07 < th> great
00:08 < th> need a sexy chasis for it...
00:08 < tsa> Mike1: si, hay muches chicas...
00:08 < th> diskless of course
00:08 < th> could be even integrated in keyboard ;)
00:08 < Mike1> tsa: cuando crees que vuelvas a venir a centro america?
00:08 < tsa> Mike1: ahora no tengo mucho tiempo porque tengo que trabajar, pero tal vez el ano que viene..
00:09 < WKaibigan> That would just be the MB and processor. Add to that the cost of ram and hard drive.
00:09 < tsa> vamos a ver que pasa..
00:09 < th> WKaibigan: i won't need a harddrive
00:09 < th> WKaibigan: just ram and ethernet
00:09 < th> WKaibigan: perhaps wlan ethernet
00:09 < WKaibigan> It has built in network.
00:10 < th> WKaibigan: yea i read thet
00:10 < th> WKaibigan: yea i read that
00:10 < Mike1> si vienes el proximo año seria genial, hackbard vendra por aca tambien, quiza hasta podrian estar para un evento que se llama CompuExpo y pondriamos un stand de ROCK Linux :)
00:10 < th> WKaibigan: know something about timeline?
00:10 < WKaibigan> What is timeline?
00:10 < th> WKaibigan: i mean when will it be available?
00:11 < WKaibigan> It is available now.
00:11 < th> ouhm
00:11 < th> i need to order it
00:11 < tsa> Mike1: mientras tanto, me puedes enviar unas chicas a alemania? ;)
00:11 < WKaibigan> People are already using them. Trouble is, finding a supplier.
00:11 < th> a supplier?
00:12 < th> a dealer?
00:12 < WKaibigan> Dealer 
00:12 < tsa> Mike1: ok, me voy a salir por la noche, encontrarme con unos amigos..
00:12 < tsa> nos vemos manana..
00:12 < tsa> cu *
00:13 < tsa> n8.
00:13 < Mike1> n8 tsa
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00:52 < th> WKaibigan: these boards need integrated flash ;)
00:53 < th> WKaibigan: but one could use one of these very small usb-flash-"disks"
00:54 < WKaibigan> What does it need the flash for?
00:54 < Mike1> re LocalHero
00:56 < LocalHero> Mike1, hi. Whazzup?
00:56 < th> WKaibigan: silent storage
00:56 < Mike1> nothing just doing some codding :)
00:56 < Mike1> you ?
00:57 < WKaibigan> Ah right. 
00:59 < LocalHero> Mike1, i upgraded a server to php-4.2.2 and what happens when i try to start apache
00:59 < LocalHero> Cannot load /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server: /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: gdImageColorClosestAlpha
00:59 < LocalHero> What do i do now?
00:59 < Mike1> you need to recompile apache :)
00:59 < th> WKaibigan: internal usb would be great
01:00 < th> hmm
01:00 < th> Mike1: just php as it seems
01:00 < Mike1> th true :)
01:00 < Mike1> LocalHero: recompile php
01:01 < th> LocalHero: or locate you libgd.so or similar and be sure to include it in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
01:01 < LocalHero> Mike1, again? Why? Its when i try to start apache
01:01 < WKaibigan> There are some relatively quiet hard drives around though. I hope I can find the board somewhere here in the UK.
01:01 < th> WKaibigan: i want to have ABSOLUTE silence :)
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01:02 * Mike1 on the phone 
01:02 < LocalHero> Ups, closed the wrong window. Oki the libpath?
01:03 < WKaibigan> Trouble with the flash storage is that you don't get it in the big sizes that HDs have.
01:03 < th> WKaibigan: 256MB are enough for a small standalone rock
01:03 < th> WKaibigan: even 128M
01:04 < WKaibigan> Which is Ok for a server I guess.
01:05 < th> no server
01:05 < th> servers may be loud as hell
01:06 < th> just a small machine that is always available next to my regenerating facility to have ssh and mp3 playback
01:06 < th> and a small lcd should display current time/date and help navigating mp3 (which it gets via nfs)
01:07 < LocalHero> Ahh, nice, now it works, just compiled a new apache and php again :)
01:07 < WKaibigan> Should be perfect for that. 
01:07 < Mike1> LocalHero: great
01:08 < LocalHero> :)
01:09 < th> WKaibigan: but a sexy chasis is still missing
01:12 < WKaibigan> Yeah and I don't know where you can get them from outside of Taiwan.
01:14 < WKaibigan> https://www.mini-itx.com/
01:17 < th> WKaibigan: SpacePanel looks great
01:18 < WKaibigan> Yay, found a supplier and the board is cheap.
01:18 < th> and chasis?
01:19 < WKaibigan> No chassis but take a look at the www.mini-itx.com website
01:19 < th> yea i'm browsing it ATM
01:19 < th> i like the spacepanel
01:20 < WKaibigan> Found a couple of cases but they are pretty standard looking
01:20 < WKaibigan> https://www.ultim8pc.co.uk/index.asp?section=products&idd=2
01:20 < th> too boring
01:23 < th> need to build the stuff myself
01:25 < WKaibigan> Probably the best idea to get the sort of case that you may want. The ones available for sale are as you say, too boring.
01:29 < th> but i never build something like a chasis befre ;)
01:29 < th> absolutely no exp.
01:32 < WKaibigan> Me neither. I suppose you could try to get one made to your specifications it there is a company that can do that sort of thing nearby,
01:35 < th> hmm
01:35 < th> one could even sell them
01:36 < WKaibigan> Yeah indeed.
01:37 < Mike1> th: is huebi already working on updating to gnome2?
01:37 < Mike1> or anyone?
01:37 < WKaibigan> The Space Case is pretty good looking.
01:38 < chrisime> how can i read a std::vector
01:38 < th> Mike1: i don't think so. i don't know
01:38 < chrisime> push_back () is to put stuff in
01:38 < Mike1> th ok thanks :)
01:38 < chrisime> and how can i get it again?
01:38 < WKaibigan> [anders] has been working with Gnome 2 I believe.
01:38 < th> WKaibigan: i'd prefer it ways more functional ;)
01:39 < th> WKaibigan: i have nothing about a spacy design
01:39 < Mike1> WKaibigan: yes but i mean as in the cvs tree
01:39 < th> WKaibigan: but i dont like it if there is no functionality
01:39 < Mike1> WKaibigan: i am working on gnome2
01:39 < th> WKaibigan: i don't like blinking lights that much
01:39 < th> WKaibigan: space panel is a good start
01:39 < chrisime> anyone?
01:41 < WKaibigan> The Space Case shows though that you are limited only by your imagination if you are able to build a case yourself.
01:51 < th> damn. now that i removed that i486 iso yesterday i need i today
01:52 < WKaibigan> Time to go. Bye for now.
01:52 < th> later WKaibigan 
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02:00 < _NULL> gn8.
02:00 < Mike1> n8 sandra
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03:54 < esden> re hi all
03:54 < esden> is someane awake ?
03:55 < th> ack
03:55 < _NULL> hmm... jo
03:55 < esden> hehe ... cool thing
03:56 < esden> I am back from a party that turned out to be hell
03:56 < _NULL> why hell?
03:56 < esden> now I am drunk ... and stoned
03:56 < esden> or rocked ;-)
03:56 < _NULL> *lol*
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04:21 < _NULL> cold wind blowing / cold ice snowing / light blue longing / my heart stops running / there's no place to hide
04:22 < Mike1> _NULL: a pome or a song?
04:22 < Mike1> poem*
04:22 < _NULL> song
04:22 < _NULL> maximilian hecker - cold wind blowing
04:22 < Mike1> _NULL: ok
04:23 < _NULL> that's so great song... hmm... the whole cd's great... :-/
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04:36 * owl is listening to: cannibal corpse - hung and bled
04:36 < owl> yeahaw! let's rock!
04:36 * Mike1 listening to korn - Blind!
04:39 * th hoert im geiste "Virus of the mind"
04:39 < owl> th: heather nova?
04:39 * -> esden reading diffs between two snaps of 1.7
04:39 < th> jo
04:40 < owl> hmm... 
04:41 < owl> zu soft heute. 
04:43 * th mags sft.
04:43 < th> o
04:43 < owl> *loool*
04:45 < th> eyy du lachst mich aus
04:45 < th> frechheit
04:46 < owl> jo. ich bin gemein. ich bin 3v1l. ich weiss. :PPPP
04:46 < th> dann geh ich lieber in mein bett... 
04:46 < th> das hat mich lieb ;)
04:46 < owl> hach, das leben ist geil. das gefaellt mir jetzt so.
04:47 < owl> haha :P 
04:47 < th> seltsame wendungen, die du heute machst
04:47 < owl> jo. 
04:47 * owl succeeded in destroying her brain.
04:47 < th> hmm. nice
04:48 < owl> jo. jetzt gibt's noch meine kisten und mich. gut so. 
04:48 < th> deine kisten?
04:48 * owl knuddelt mal ihren k0y0r0
04:48 < owl> j0. klar. meine schaetze. 
04:48 < th> k0y0r0?
04:48 * th ist verwirrt.
04:48 < owl> meine workstation
04:49 < th> ach _kisten_
04:49 < owl> ja. kisten. ned _kisten_ was denkst du denn? 
04:49 * th geht jetz jedenfalls von der kiste in die kiste.
04:50 < owl> *lol* have fun with you pillow.
04:50 < th> ETA of SO "few days"
04:50 < th> :-p
04:51 < owl> gn8 th
04:51 < th> jo n8
04:52 < esden> n8 th 
04:53 < Mike1> gutte nacht th
04:54 < th> Mike1: s,gutte,gute,
04:54 < th> Mike1: und danke :)
04:55 * -> esden is being ignored ...
04:55 < th> n8 auch dir esden
04:55 * Mike1 is not ignoring esden
04:56 < esden> n8 th
04:56 < esden> ;-)
04:56 < th> *detach*
04:56 * -> esden feels now much better
04:56 < owl> :) well, esden.
05:00 * owl ozzy osbourne - junkie
05:24 < Mike1> good n8 all
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05:25 < esden> n8 @ all
05:27 * owl leaves you, too.
05:27 < owl> gn8. cu
07:08 < huebi> moin
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12:20 < blindcoder> moin
12:34 < huebi> hi blindcoder 
12:35 < blindcoder> wow, there's actually someone here :-)
12:35 < blindcoder> hi huebi 
12:35 < huebi> blindcoder: Did you get DOOM running under Linux?
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12:40 < blindcoder> huebi: didn't try doom, but DeusEx works like a charm
12:40 < blindcoder> still have some probs with Dungeon Keeper, but I keep trying on Duke3D
12:51 < blindcoder> okay, 'm cgoing to continue work on duke (and doom if i find it somewhere :)
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12:55 < SMP> kewl
12:55 < huebi> hi SMP 
12:55 < SMP> world.wronline.de is now world.cabal1.net
12:55 < huebi> Why
12:56 < SMP> getting rid of wronline.de for private use
13:12 < SMP> LocalHero: download.rocklinux.de is already in use. but I could fix iso.rocklinux.de or isoarchive.rocklinux.de or about anything else. I'm open for suggestions from everyone
13:14 < huebi> iso.rocklinux.de would be nice.
13:15 < LocalHero> SMP, iso.rocklinux.de sounds like a nice name :) 
13:17 < SMP> it's in.
13:17 < huebi> kool
13:20 * huebi having lunch. cu in an hour or so..
13:23 < LocalHero> SMP, Wow, thanx :)
13:32 < LocalHero> Have to go, bye all and thanx smp
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13:38 < owl> good morning
13:51 < tomik> good
14:21 < huebi> re
14:22 < owl> re huebi
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14:26 < huebi> moin Ge0rG ;-)
14:26 < huebi> owl: egal!
14:27 < owl> huebi: nope. heute nicht mehr. heute: sch..egal. :PPP
14:27 < huebi> owl: Warum? *wunder*
14:28 < owl> ach nix... :P
14:28 < Ge0rG> hi huebi
14:29 < huebi> Na, Ge0rG. Wie kommst du vorwaerts mit der Krups? 
14:29 < Ge0rG> huebi: seit doom und mplayer noch nix weiter dran gemacht ;)
14:31 < huebi> Hast du eine URL fuer die Doom Sourcen? Ich habe das heute frueh mal versucht auf PC, hat aber die "doom3.wad" gesucht und auch andere nicht gefunden.
14:32 < Ge0rG> huebi: ich hab sdl und lsdldoom kompiliert.
14:32 < Ge0rG> huebi: du brauchst aber nen kernel-patch, weil das palette-handling vom vanilla-2.4.18 kaputt ist
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14:35 * Ge0rG müsste den patch nur mal generieren ;)
14:35 < huebi> Ge0rG: das waere klasse
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14:38 < Ge0rG> huebi: https://morbo.boerde.de/~georg/igafb-palettefix.diff für 2.4.18
14:39 < Ge0rG> (aber ich glaub kaum, dass sich seit 1998 irgendwas am igafb getan hat ;))
14:39 < huebi> saauuuug
14:39 < Ge0rG> huebi: bugreports zu mich! :)
14:40 < huebi> Ge0rG: ACK
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15:09 < th> re
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15:09 < th> Ge0rG: aehm der applied auch auf 19rc3?
15:10 < Ge0rG> th: sag du es mir
15:10 < th> kann grad nich
15:11 < Ge0rG> th: dann ist die information ob
15:11 < Ge0rG> +er applied auch im moment nicht relevant?
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15:35 < LocalHero> Hmm, im looking at the http rfc. Does anybody know the command to send to the httpd server to get the size of a file?
15:54 < Ge0rG> LocalHero: HEAD /path HTTP/1.0\r\n\r\n
16:03 < LocalHero> Ge0rG, ahh, thanx, i missed the http thing :)
16:03 < Ge0rG> :)
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16:37 < LocalHero> ge0rg, Thanx again, now i got the file size on http to work on the iso site :)
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16:57 < [anders]> mmm.. I have been doing some stuff on Gnome2.. but that has been outside of the ROCK build environment.. I was only trying to get it to build and at the moment, it works pretty well.. :)
16:58 < owl> cu later
16:59 < [anders]> I'll be doing the rest of the work putting it into the proper build and taking the bits out from Gnome 1.4 that then no longer is needed..
16:59 < [anders]> there is a lot of stuff that needs doing there, as some bits will be required from Gnome 1.4 to build apps that isn't yet using gtk+ 2.0
17:01 < [anders]> cya later owl
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17:20 < tsa> tag
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17:21 < tsa> arghs
17:22 < tsa> ...verklickt.
17:26 < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
17:27 < owl> hi blindcoder
17:29 < snyke> hihu blindcoder
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17:39 < oversize> hi
17:39 < owl> hi oversize
17:42 * owl leaves you now.
17:42 < owl> cu later
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18:05 < plfiorini> hi there
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18:21 < th> moin
18:21 < th> LILO SUCKS!
18:22 < th> LI 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 ... i *hate* that
18:22 < huebi> th and grub?
18:22 < plfiorini> th: use grub
18:22 < th> i have to check some alternatives now
18:22 < th> you all say i should test grub?
18:23 < plfiorini> yes
18:23 < th> ok
18:23 < plfiorini> lilo sucks a lot imho
18:23 < plfiorini> folks, i could not understand if on rocks i can create binary packages in a format like .deb or .rpm
18:23 < huebi> grub seems to be much betteer - more like SILO or MILO
18:24 < huebi> plfiorini: only tar.bz2
18:24 < plfiorini> huebi: but... binary?
18:24 < plfiorini> or only sources
18:24 < th> binary
18:24 < plfiorini> yeah
18:24 < plfiorini> are they like slack tgz?
18:24 < huebi> plfiorini: dont know.
18:25 < plfiorini> huebi: btw i download the iso of 1.5 :)
18:25 < plfiorini> i have an empty partition
18:25 < th> For now, GNU GRUB is not released publicly yet...
18:25 < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/INSTALL
18:25 < plfiorini> hrm
18:25 < th> plfiorini: yes they are
18:26 < plfiorini> th: ok
18:26 < plfiorini> huebi: thanks
18:26 < th> plfiorini: but without that META-stuff
18:26 < plfiorini> i want a totally customized distro
18:26 < plfiorini> th: i'll study it
18:26 < plfiorini> and next week i must install a desktop system to a friend so i need the latest packages
18:27 < plfiorini> woody doesn't has latest but it is stable
18:27 < huebi> plfiorini: You can do with ROCK Linux all modifications you want.
18:27 < th> anyone lots of grub experience?
18:27 < plfiorini> rh based sucks for me
18:27 < huebi> th: no
18:27 < plfiorini> huebi: yeah it is why i need rock
18:27 < plfiorini> th: here
18:28 < plfiorini> th: i have not a lot of experience but i know grub
18:28 < th> plfiorini: ok. 
18:28 < plfiorini> th: i use grub since 1 year
18:29 < th> plfiorini: have scsi configuration here... /dev/sda2 is my current root.
18:29 < plfiorini> th: w/ grub you can boot all the kernels
18:29 < th> plfiorini: soo root shall be sdb2
18:29 < th> s,soo,soon,
18:29 < plfiorini> th: after grub make install you should do this:
18:29 < plfiorini> cp -avf /usr/lib/grub/i386 /boot/grub
18:30 < plfiorini> s/i386/i386-pc/
18:30 < th> plfiorini: is that a must?
18:30 < plfiorini> th: yes because you need /boot/grub
18:30 < th> plfiorini: i want to have it in /mnt/tmp/boot/grub where /mnt/tmp is the future root
18:30 < plfiorini> ok
18:31 < th> plfiorini: so grub knows my filesystem and searches for /boot/grub ?
18:31 < plfiorini> hrm
18:31 < plfiorini> th: i dunno
18:31 < plfiorini> th: i ever used /boot/grub
18:31 < th> plfiorini: does grub read my filesystem?
18:31 < th> (at boot time)
18:31 < plfiorini> th: it read /boot/grub/menu.lst
18:31 < th> therefore it needs to read filesystem
18:31 < th> ok
18:32 < plfiorini> yes
18:32 < th> and which /boot/grub/menu.lst does it read?
18:32 < th> i have plenty of discs/partitions in here
18:32 < plfiorini> the menu.lst on your current partition
18:33 < plfiorini> th: btw you don't need tu run grub at every when you modify /boot/grub/menu.lst unlike lio
18:33 < th> plfiorini: but that partition is reiserfs.
18:33 < plfiorini> th: it supports reiserfs
18:33 < plfiorini> th: i have reiserfs
18:33 < plfiorini> after cp -avf things you should edit /boot/grub/device.map
18:33 < th> plfiorini: but i could boot my new system from floppy-disk and install grub then
18:33 < plfiorini> (fd0) /dev/fd0
18:33 < plfiorini> (hd0) /dev/hda
18:33 < plfiorini> this is mine
18:34 < plfiorini> yes
18:34 < plfiorini> th: if you must install you should do grub-install /dev/hda
18:34 < plfiorini> so it'll install itself on the mbr
18:35 < th> huebi: is there grub in base on 1.5.17?
18:35 < plfiorini> th: your device.map should be
18:35 < plfiorini> (hd0) /dev/sdb
18:35 < plfiorini> scuse me /dev/sda instead
18:36 < th> but /dev/sdb will be the first disc on boot
18:36 < huebi> th: jo, it is
18:36 < th> huebi: cool
18:37 < th> plfiorini: so grub needs to install itself to /dev/sdb
18:37 < plfiorini> th: hrm ok then i have read right
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18:39 < th> /usr/lib/grub does not exist after ake install
18:39 < th>  /usr/lib/grub does not exist after ake install
18:39 < th> oups
18:39 < plfiorini> th: hrm i have it in debian
18:39 < plfiorini> th: i dunno what ./configure parameters debian maintainer use
18:40 < plfiorini> th: have you install it in /usr of /usr/local?
18:40 < th> seems lile /usr/local
18:40 < plfiorini> try cd /usr/local/lib/grub ; ls -al
18:40 < th> no
18:40 < plfiorini> it can be in /usr/share
18:40 < th> find is running
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           30 Jul 23 00:05 device.map
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7904 Jul 23 00:05 e2fs_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7440 Jul 23 00:05 fat_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         6912 Jul 23 00:05 ffs_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         8640 Jul 23 00:05 jfs_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2145 Jul 26 22:41 menu.lst
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7104 Jul 23 00:05 minix_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         9568 Jul 23 00:05 reiserfs_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          512 Jul 23 00:05 stage1
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        95712 Jul 23 00:05 stage2
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         6560 Jul 23 00:05 vstafs_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         9320 Jul 23 00:05 xfs_stage1_5
18:41 < plfiorini> th: search one of this files w/ find
18:41 < th> /usr/local/share/grub
18:41 < plfiorini> in the sources tree
18:41 < th> find / -name grub
18:41 < th> ;)
18:41 < plfiorini> :P
18:42 < plfiorini> argh! i need an dual x86-64
18:42 < th> plfiorini: so i can copy it to /mnt/tmp/boot/grub instead?
18:42 < plfiorini> th: yes
18:42 < th> let's test /boot/grub for now
18:42 < plfiorini> hhe
18:43 < plfiorini> th: i am not 100% sure because i used to install it in /boot/grub
18:43 < plfiorini> th: but it can work imho
18:43 < th> (fd0) /dev/fd0
18:43 < th> (hd0) /dev/sda
18:43 < th> (hd1) /dev/sdb
18:43 < plfiorini> th: ok that's right
18:44 < plfiorini> th: wait i cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
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18:44 < plfiorini> default		1
18:44 < plfiorini> timeout		5
18:44 < plfiorini> color cyan/blue white/blue
18:44 < th> are these tabs?
18:44 < plfiorini> kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66
18:44 < plfiorini> th: tabs? what do you mean?
18:44 < th> tII1
18:44 < th> 18:44:20 < plfiorini> defaultII1
18:45 < th> 18:44:25 < plfiorini> timeoutII5
18:45 < plfiorini> th: yes
18:45 < plfiorini> th: xchat2 sucks
18:45 < th> Irssi 0.8.5 (20020313) - https://irssi.org/
18:45 < plfiorini> th: i must hack it and put vte
18:45 < plfiorini> th: blah! ;)
18:45 < plfiorini> title		Debian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4
18:45 < plfiorini> root		(hd0,1)
18:45 < plfiorini> kernel		/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4
18:45 < plfiorini> savedefault
18:46 < th> 1 is the partition?
18:46 < plfiorini> th: you should edit as your needs my configuration
18:46 < th> 18:45:43 < plfiorini> rootII(hd0,1)
18:46 < plfiorini> th: nope
18:46 < th> oups
18:46 < plfiorini> th: root (hd0,1) is the 2nd part
18:46 < plfiorini> ition
18:46 < th> yes
18:47 < plfiorini> th: /dev/hda1 -> (hd0,0)
18:47 < th> but the "1" stands for part1 (2nd)
18:47 < th> of course 0 would be the first
18:47 < plfiorini> yes
18:47 < plfiorini> ok i need to quit
18:47 < plfiorini> th: plfiorini@supereva.it
18:47 < plfiorini> th: tell me if you have problems
18:47 < th> thanks
18:47 < plfiorini> i am sorry
18:47 < plfiorini> n/p
18:47 < th> i'll
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18:48 < th> good boy
18:58 < th> ok let's try
19:01 < [anders]> grub's nice.. I would not go back to LILO anytime soon.. I suffer it for as long as it takes me to get and install grub..
19:01 < [anders]> best thing is, grub will allow you MD5 encrypted password.. Lilo doesn't..
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19:06 < huebi> [anders]: And grub can read the filesystem...
19:07 < [anders]> huebi: indeed.. (soz, was reading /.)
19:08 < [anders]> The best things about grub is that booting a new kernel is easy, even if it isn't in the list.. Just open a command-line when in the grub boot screen and away you go..
19:09 < [anders]> I might be mistaken, but I think you even can add the lines you set then to the menu.lst file from the grub shell..
19:13 < [anders]> what's on ports 4000-4003 UDP ?
19:17 * [anders] humms and looks in /etc/services.. Some really odd ports being scanned and poked recently..
19:17 < [anders]> Like port 50505 for example.. What on earth did they expect to find on that port???
19:19 < huebi> [anders]: A trijan horse?
19:19 < huebi> s/i/o/
19:35 < [anders]> huebi: possibly.. I guess they are getting frustrated that there is a box there, but ping and traceroute doesn't work and anything else than ports 22 and 80 doesn't return any info..
19:37 < huebi> hehe
19:39 < [anders]> going to button down the laptop as well.. taking away access to smtp and ntp on this box..
19:44 < [anders]> no need to let people talk to sendmail when there isn't a single MX record for the box.. ;-)
19:47 < huebi> [anders]: o_O I remember that I have to do some things on my gateway...
19:49 < [anders]> huebi: well, I have buttoned down as much as I can. I allow outbound connections, incoming related and incoming new on ports 22, 80 (and 6699 on laptop)
19:49 < [anders]> that's tcp connections. I allow incoming on port 53 udp as well..
19:50 < [anders]> and that is only on the laptop... bind itself then decides who to talk to..
19:53 * [anders] is going to do some washing up now.. In preparation for dinner later on..
19:54 < [anders]> I think there will be some Cajun Chicken Curry later on.. With jasmine rice and perhaps some fresh peppers diced in as well.. *yummy*
19:56 < [anders]> hmmm.. librarian.library.iisc.ernet.in. wanted to talk to port 111 on this box.. Interesting..
19:59 * [anders] would like a tool to automatically scan anyone that scans me.. Probably possible to script something like that..
20:00 < tsa> hm..
20:00 < tsa> portsentry/hostsentry might be able to do this.
20:00 < tsa> there's packages in 1.7 for those, don't know about 1.5
20:01 < [anders]> portsentry I have taken a look at. you can automatically trigger and launch scripts/commands with that..
20:02 < [anders]> One example I saw was to have portsentry automatically add the ip of the 'attacker' to a chain in iptables denying further access..
20:02 < [anders]> Only problem with that is if you are working on your box remotely and accidently lock yourself out..
20:03 < [anders]> So you would have to scripts things a bit better, add the ip you are denying to a file somewhere and also when you denied it. Then have a script run every hour that removes the denied ip's from file and iptables once the entry is older than say two hours..
20:04 < tsa> afaik, you can specify some special ip addresses that will never get blocked at all..
20:04 < [anders]> stops scriptkiddies I'd guess and allows you a chance to talk to your own box again after a while..
20:05 < [anders]> tsa: true.. but you might not always know the external gw's/pix's ip in advance..
20:05 < [anders]> anyways.. time to do the washing up.. :)
20:06 < tsa> hehe
20:06 < tsa> have fun.. ;)
20:10 < [anders]> Oh, I will.. :)
20:10 * [anders] bought a new shaver today.. A self-cleaning Braun.. Very nice and shaves well it does too.. :-D
20:11 < th> GRUB ROCKS!
20:11 < th> it's just ... ... SUPERIOR.
20:12 < tsa> erhm....it's just a bootloader..
20:12 < th> hmm well
20:12 < th> you are right ;)
20:12 < th> but i wasn't able to boot that machine with lilo
20:12 < th> i was used to lilo before
20:12 < tsa> hm...how come?
20:12 < tsa> what did it say?
20:13 < th> tsa: strange thing. have to scsi controllers...
20:13 < th> tsa: dawicontrol and icp vorte
20:13 < th> x
20:13 < th> the icp is new
20:13 < th> but the icp forces it's disc to be first for bios
20:14 < th> after linux is up (from floppy)
20:14 < tsa> urgh...icp vortex..
20:14 < th> sda is the dawi
20:14 < th> sdb is the icp
20:14 < th> tsa: what's the problem with icp?
20:14 < th> and when i try to install lilo lilo does something wrong.
20:14 < tsa> th: we have two of those at work...
20:14 < th> boot = /dev/sdb (because this will be first disc on boot time)
20:15 < th> lilo warns that this isn't the first disc. which is not really correct
20:15 < tsa> one of them refused to rebuild a disk in a radi5
20:15 < th> but anyways boot fails with LI 99 99 99 ...
20:15 < tsa> raid5
20:15 < th> grub is just great as it is able to really read my filesystem
20:16 < tsa> the other one had it's own idea of how our data had to be stored, messing up the other raid5 ..
20:17 < tsa> the first thing was a firmware issue, this should be resolved by now..
20:17 < tsa> dunno about the other one.
20:20 < th> lilo is just a dumb crap
20:20 < th> grub has command-line
20:20 < th> grub can install itself at boot-time
20:22 < tsa> i know.
20:22 < tsa> i don't need a command line. all i need is something acting as a boot loader. 
20:23 < tsa> if it's able to boot my kernel, i'm all fine.
20:23 < tsa> i don't use windoze, so i don't even need dual boot
20:24 < tsa> the only advantage i see with grub is that you don't have to re-run it when inodes of the kernel image on disk have changed.
20:28 < th> well lilo was not able to boot my kernel in the configuration described above
20:28 < tsa> ok, that's indeed a good reason to use grub..
20:28 < tsa> ;)
20:29 < tsa> as long as it's able to boot my system, i don't see a reason to switch.. ;)
20:30 < th> but now as i have found a reason. i see no reason to switch back
20:30 < tsa> hehe..ok
20:32 < tsa> gone for a while...descent3
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21:13 < tsa> re
21:15 < praenti> esden: ?
21:15 < praenti> hi
21:16 < tsa> hi praenti
21:27 < praenti> blindcoder: da?
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21:42 < owl> re
21:43 < tomik> wb
22:07 < [anders]> I really need to take a good look at spam-assassin and also dyndns and get host-names pointing to my ip-adresses. 
22:07 < [anders]> moin all
22:07 < owl> hi [anders]
22:07 < [anders]> moin owl
22:07 < [anders]> Does anyone have 1st hand knowledge of spam assassin?
22:08 < huebi> SMP knows a really good programm to fight spam. But I forgot the name
22:08 * [anders] wants something to filter incoming e-mail. Mail is picked up with fetchmail and injected to sendmail on localhost..
22:08 < [anders]> So anything that plugs in to sendmail should work..
22:08 < tsa> [anders]: uh? why sendmail on localhost?
22:09 < [anders]> tsa: I use it to send e-mail outbound..
22:09 < tsa> spamassasin can be used in your ~/.procmailrc
22:09 < tsa> [anders]: sure, but why does your fetchmail deliver to your local sendmail?
22:10 < [anders]> sendmail can rewrite the envelope and from: address. That's how I fix my e-mail addy.. :)
22:10 < tsa> for mail that is sent _to_ you?
22:10 < tsa> interesting.
22:10 < [anders]> tsa: not for incoming e-mail..
22:11 < [anders]> tsa: for outbound e-mail.. you reckon I should run sendmail from inetd instead?
22:11 < tsa> hm..no.
22:11 < tsa> i use a sendmail listening on loopback interface to send out mail.
22:11 < tsa> and fetchmail for getting my mail, with procmail for delivery..
22:11 < [anders]> hmm.. I have to get spam-assassin and look through docs then for how to plug it in to the .procmailrc...
22:12 < tsa> no need to use sendmail for mails that are to be delivered locally..
22:12 < [anders]> tsa: aahh, I know fetchmail can do that.. I'll check the settings for fetchmail then..
22:12 < tsa> it's easy..
22:13 < tsa> bla bla bla options fetchall
22:13 < tsa> mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T"
22:14 < [anders]> tsa: modding .procmailrc now.. :)
22:14 < tsa> hehe, ok
22:14 < [anders]> err .fetchmailrc I mean of course..
22:15 < [anders]> tsa: does this need to be set for each line ?
22:15 < tsa> for each server you're polling..
22:16 < [anders]> tsa: which is a few... Ok.. Done that, stopping/starting fetchmail now..
22:16 < tsa> ok.
22:16 < tsa> spamassasin:
22:16 < [anders]> yes please.. :)
22:16 < tsa> :0fw
22:16 < tsa> | /usr/local/SpamAssassin/spamassassin -P -c /usr/local/SpamAssassin/rules
22:16 < tsa> :0:
22:16 < tsa> * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
22:16 < tsa> caughtspam
22:18 < [anders]> tsa: that's all that is needed? A friend of mine said he fought with it for hours as it managed to create a mail-loop for him..
22:19 < tsa> [anders]: yes, that's it. just insert this in your ~/.procmailrc ..
22:20 < tsa> you're still free to create custom mail loops in your procmailrc if you want to..
22:20 < [anders]> tsa: cheers mate.. :) Is there any other modding of the spam-assassin install required? Like a file containing 'allowed' to addresses?
22:20 < [anders]> tsa: *g*
22:21 < tsa> have a look at the rules/ directory ..
22:22 < [anders]> tsa: ok.. will do.. when I finally manages to connect to spamassassin.org.. the site seems to be off the net at the very moment.. :-/
22:22 < tsa> hehe
22:25 < [anders]> mamma mia, it is a cow!! ;-) (gf has a sandwich toaster that looks like a cow..)
22:28 * praenti is going to bed. gn8
22:29 < owl> gn8 praenti
22:32 < [anders]> nighty night praenti 
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22:51 < ripclaw> helo
22:51 < tsa> hi ripclaw
22:52 < [anders]> moin ripclaw 
22:52 < huebi> MOIN ripclaw 
22:52 < owl> tach ripclaw
22:52 < ripclaw> moin huebi !
22:53 < ripclaw> huebi: gibts irgendwelche anzeichen das das boot-floppy image von dem 1.5.17-586 image defekt war ? oder ist meine floppy drv defekt ?
22:53 < ripclaw> helo world
22:54 < ripclaw> bekomme beim booten immer Error: 0x10
22:54 < huebi> und booten von cd?
22:54 < ripclaw> geht auf der dualbox nicht.
22:54 < huebi> warum?
22:55 < ripclaw> bios
22:55 < huebi> upgrade.
22:55 < ripclaw> hast du evtl. mal aktuelle ?oot-disk.img ?
22:55 < huebi> noe nichts neueres.
22:55 < ripclaw> huebi - das ist das aktuellste bios fuer die kiste - die ist seit 1999 EOL, und zu schade zum wegwerfen.
22:56 < ripclaw> memory und cpu sind getestet & ok
22:57 < huebi> scsi cdrom for boot?
22:57 < ripclaw> kann der interne controller nicht.
22:57 < ripclaw> scsi yes, scsi cdrom yes.
22:57 < huebi> sis 6226externer controller?
22:57 < ripclaw> nein modifizierter aha 7880
22:58 < huebi> und ein externer controller?
22:58 < ripclaw> wird ueber onboard bios aufgesetzt, cdrom boot nicht togglebar auf no
22:58 < ripclaw> hat nur 4 pci slots die ich waehrend dem install brauche.
22:58 * [anders] is enjoying a nice Kronenbourg 1664 right now.. 
22:59 * huebi having a Beck's
22:59 < ripclaw> ausser wir haben irgendwo noch ein cdboot faehiges ISA-card...
22:59 * ripclaw has no beer to enjoy
22:59 < huebi> ripclaw: come and get a bootable controller or let us setup the box here.
23:00 < ripclaw> huebi - haben wir die bootable floppy-images im netz ?
23:00 < ripclaw> dann schreib ich mir ein neues, evtl hatte die cd dort einen macken oder sowas.
23:00 < tsa> bier ist ne idee.
23:00 < ripclaw> mom.
23:00 < huebi> the cd is ok.
23:00 * ripclaw sucht seine alten boot flopies
23:01 < ripclaw> hrmpf
23:01 < tsa> prost.
23:02 < tsa> floppies verstecken sich gerne, wenn man sie braucht.
23:02 < tsa> oder verwirren den suchenden durch herdenbildung.
23:02 < [anders]> tsa: skål :)
23:02 < snyke> hrhr
23:02 < snyke> wie wahr wie wahr
23:02 < [anders]> moin snyke 
23:02 < tsa> [anders]: ;)
23:03 < snyke> moin ^^
23:03 < ripclaw> meine sind hartnaeckig, versteckte herden,,...
23:04 < ripclaw> grml. will nicht nochmal anziehen und raus ....
23:07 < huebi> ripclaw: come on ;-))
23:08 < ripclaw> huebi: ich haeng jetzt schon auf dem zahnfleisch, wenn ich mich noch aufraff und rueberkomme, pack ichs nicht mehr vor 12 ins bett,
23:08 < ripclaw> und dann fuehl ich mich morgen noch beschissener als samstag.
23:08 < huebi> ROCK Linux needs only 8min to copy...
23:09 < ripclaw> huebi: 586 image ?
23:10 < ripclaw> huebi: hast du 586 image da ?
23:10 < huebi> jo
23:11 < ripclaw> ack.
23:11 * ripclaw sucht schraubenzieher.
23:13 < [anders]> ripclaw: screwdriver ?
23:13 < huebi> [anders]: ack
23:15 < [anders]> huebi: meine deutsch 'is coming along'... nicht schnell..
23:15 < [anders]> *laugh*
23:15 < huebi> hehe
23:16 < [anders]> how would you say 'is coming along' in the sense that it is the language skills..?
23:19 * [anders] <-- off to bed..
23:19 < [anders]> night night alles..
23:19 < huebi> good night [anders] 
23:19 < owl> gn8 [anders]
23:19 * huebi installing Quake2
23:19 < [anders]> ~~~
23:20 < tsa> huebi: on linux?
23:21 < huebi> no, on Windows. I have to test 3 Voodoo2 and 2 Voodoo1 cards.
23:21 < tsa> ah.
23:22 < tsa> ./topic huebi uses windows
23:22 < huebi> After that on linux - if I get the joystickport working
23:24 < tsa> huebi: you want this: https://staff.xmms.org/zinx/q2hack/q2hack-0.0.5.tar.gz
23:25 < tsa> won't run fullscreen, otherwise.
23:26 < huebi> tsa: thanks
23:32 < tsa> no problem..
23:33 < huebi> ripclaw: do come over?
23:33 < tsa> $ ls /vol/games/
23:33 < tsa> bin  descent3  loki  quake2  quake3  smac  ut  wolfenstein
23:33 < tsa> ;-)
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23:34 < plfiorini> hi
23:34 < huebi> tsa: hmm I thing I have to consult you a little bit more about games in the future. ;-)
23:35 < tsa> hehe
23:40 < ripclaw> huebi: still no screwdriver.
23:41 < ripclaw> huebi: probably tomorrow.
23:44 < huebi> ripclaw: what do you need a screwwdriver for?
23:45 < ripclaw> removing the disk for easy carrying ?
23:46 < tsa> hm..
23:48 < huebi> ripclaw: you are strong enough to get it into your car as a whole.
23:50 < tsa> hehe
23:50 < tsa> *gaehn*
23:50 * tsa going to sleep..having to get up early tomorrow..
23:50 < ripclaw> if i`m that ignorant and stupid already, i should not be driving. i guess i go for sleep right now. huebi - can i have you on a private chan pls ?
23:50 < tsa> cu all.
23:50 < owl> ciao tsa
23:51 < tsa> have fun with your private date ;-)
23:51 < tsa> n8
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23:52 < ripclaw> i gonna install the box later and go to bed now. sorry, folks.
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