-!- Irrsi  Log opened Sun Jul 28 00:00:00 2002
-!- Irrsi  Day changed Sun Jul 28 2002
[00:00] < Mike1> tsa: of course :)
[00:00]   Mike1 promotes germanization
[00:00] < Mike1> :)
[00:00] < tsa> tambien podemos continuar en espanol... ;)
[00:00] < Mike1> tsa: me parece perfecto amigo
[00:00] < tsa> Mike1: hehe
[00:03] < tsa> Mike1: a mi no me importa, pero no se si todas personas aqui tambien conocen el espanol..
[00:03] < th> WKaibigan: what CPUs can i use for it to stay silent?
[00:03] < tsa> por eso, mejor continuemos en ingles.
[00:03] < Mike1> bueno que mas algunas veces hablan en aleman y no todos entendemos aleman asi que esta bien :)
[00:03] < tsa> hehe
[00:04] < Mike1> donde aprendiste español Sebastian?
[00:04] < WKaibigan> It comes with its own processor. There are two models. a 800Mhz and a 533Mhz.
[00:04] < tsa> Mike1: en guatemala
[00:04] < Mike1> tsa: cuanto tiempo estuviste en guatemala? estuviste muy cerca de mi pais
[00:04] < Mike1> :)
[00:04] < tsa> Mike1: mi tio vive alli, pero he visitado a casi todos los paises en america central..
[00:04] < th> WKaibigan: really cool then
[00:05] < Mike1> tsa: cool, conoces Costa Rica?
[00:05] < th> WKaibigan: are there sexy chasis for it?
[00:05] < tsa> Mike1: si, lo se. como 3 o 4 veces, cada vez 3-8 semanas..
[00:05] < tsa> Mike1: si..
[00:05] < WKaibigan> Nice for making a MP3 jukebox etc. Not seen any cases for it but there are some available,
[00:06] < th> WKaibigan: what will it cost?
[00:06] < Mike1> tsa en que parte de Costa Rica estuviste? me gustaria que alguna vez vengas a mi visitarme para hacer un poco de "Codigo" juntos
[00:06] < tsa> Mike1: visite a costa rice tambien, la region cerca del parque national manuel antonio, pienso..
[00:06] < tsa> Mike1: ;-)
[00:07] < Mike1> tsa: Manuel Antonio es un lugar muy bello, y hay mujeres muy bellas tambien :)
[00:07] < tsa> haha...cierto
[00:07] < WKaibigan> Don't know the price. Still trying to find a UK seller but my latest Linux Format magazine says it should be under £100.
[00:07] < th> wow
[00:07] < th> great
[00:08] < th> need a sexy chasis for it...
[00:08] < tsa> Mike1: si, hay muches chicas...
[00:08] < th> diskless of course
[00:08] < th> could be even integrated in keyboard ;)
[00:08] < Mike1> tsa: cuando crees que vuelvas a venir a centro america?
[00:08] < tsa> Mike1: ahora no tengo mucho tiempo porque tengo que trabajar, pero tal vez el ano que viene..
[00:09] < WKaibigan> That would just be the MB and processor. Add to that the cost of ram and hard drive.
[00:09] < tsa> vamos a ver que pasa..
[00:09] < th> WKaibigan: i won't need a harddrive
[00:09] < th> WKaibigan: just ram and ethernet
[00:09] < th> WKaibigan: perhaps wlan ethernet
[00:09] < WKaibigan> It has built in network.
[00:10] < th> WKaibigan: yea i read thet
[00:10] < th> WKaibigan: yea i read that
[00:10] < Mike1> si vienes el proximo año seria genial, hackbard vendra por aca tambien, quiza hasta podrian estar para un evento que se llama CompuExpo y pondriamos un stand de ROCK Linux :)
[00:10] < th> WKaibigan: know something about timeline?
[00:10] < WKaibigan> What is timeline?
[00:10] < th> WKaibigan: i mean when will it be available?
[00:11] < WKaibigan> It is available now.
[00:11] < th> ouhm
[00:11] < th> i need to order it
[00:11] < tsa> Mike1: mientras tanto, me puedes enviar unas chicas a alemania? ;)
[00:11] < WKaibigan> People are already using them. Trouble is, finding a supplier.
[00:11] < th> a supplier?
[00:12] < th> a dealer?
[00:12] < WKaibigan> Dealer
[00:12] < tsa> Mike1: ok, me voy a salir por la noche, encontrarme con unos amigos..
[00:12] < tsa> nos vemos manana..
[00:12] < tsa> cu *
[00:13] < tsa> n8.
[00:13] < Mike1> n8 tsa
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[00:52] < th> WKaibigan: these boards need integrated flash ;)
[00:53] < th> WKaibigan: but one could use one of these very small usb-flash-"disks"
[00:54] < WKaibigan> What does it need the flash for?
[00:54] < Mike1> re LocalHero
[00:56] < LocalHero> Mike1, hi. Whazzup?
[00:56] < th> WKaibigan: silent storage
[00:56] < Mike1> nothing just doing some codding :)
[00:56] < Mike1> you ?
[00:57] < WKaibigan> Ah right.
[00:59] < LocalHero> Mike1, i upgraded a server to php-4.2.2 and what happens when i try to start apache
[00:59] < LocalHero> Cannot load /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so into server: /usr/local/apache/libexec/libphp4.so: undefined symbol: gdImageColorClosestAlpha
[00:59] < LocalHero> What do i do now?
[00:59] < Mike1> you need to recompile apache :)
[00:59] < th> WKaibigan: internal usb would be great
[01:00] < th> hmm
[01:00] < th> Mike1: just php as it seems
[01:00] < Mike1> th true :)
[01:00] < Mike1> LocalHero: recompile php
[01:01] < th> LocalHero: or locate you libgd.so or similar and be sure to include it in LD_LIBRARY_PATH
[01:01] < LocalHero> Mike1, again? Why? Its when i try to start apache
[01:01] < WKaibigan> There are some relatively quiet hard drives around though. I hope I can find the board somewhere here in the UK.
[01:01] < th> WKaibigan: i want to have ABSOLUTE silence :)
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[01:02]   Mike1 on the phone
[01:02] < LocalHero> Ups, closed the wrong window. Oki the libpath?
[01:03] < WKaibigan> Trouble with the flash storage is that you don't get it in the big sizes that HDs have.
[01:03] < th> WKaibigan: 256MB are enough for a small standalone rock
[01:03] < th> WKaibigan: even 128M
[01:04] < WKaibigan> Which is Ok for a server I guess.
[01:05] < th> no server
[01:05] < th> servers may be loud as hell
[01:06] < th> just a small machine that is always available next to my regenerating facility to have ssh and mp3 playback
[01:06] < th> and a small lcd should display current time/date and help navigating mp3 (which it gets via nfs)
[01:07] < LocalHero> Ahh, nice, now it works, just compiled a new apache and php again :)
[01:07] < WKaibigan> Should be perfect for that.
[01:07] < Mike1> LocalHero: great
[01:08] < LocalHero> :)
[01:09] < th> WKaibigan: but a sexy chasis is still missing
[01:12] < WKaibigan> Yeah and I don't know where you can get them from outside of Taiwan.
[01:14] < WKaibigan> https://www.mini-itx.com/
[01:17] < th> WKaibigan: SpacePanel looks great
[01:18] < WKaibigan> Yay, found a supplier and the board is cheap.
[01:18] < th> and chasis?
[01:19] < WKaibigan> No chassis but take a look at the www.mini-itx.com website
[01:19] < th> yea i'm browsing it ATM
[01:19] < th> i like the spacepanel
[01:20] < WKaibigan> Found a couple of cases but they are pretty standard looking
[01:20] < WKaibigan> https://www.ultim8pc.co.uk/index.asp?section=products&idd=2
[01:20] < th> too boring
[01:23] < th> need to build the stuff myself
[01:25] < WKaibigan> Probably the best idea to get the sort of case that you may want. The ones available for sale are as you say, too boring.
[01:29] < th> but i never build something like a chasis befre ;)
[01:29] < th> absolutely no exp.
[01:32] < WKaibigan> Me neither. I suppose you could try to get one made to your specifications it there is a company that can do that sort of thing nearby,
[01:35] < th> hmm
[01:35] < th> one could even sell them
[01:36] < WKaibigan> Yeah indeed.
[01:37] < Mike1> th: is huebi already working on updating to gnome2?
[01:37] < Mike1> or anyone?
[01:37] < WKaibigan> The Space Case is pretty good looking.
[01:38] < chrisime> how can i read a std::vector
[01:38] < th> Mike1: i don't think so. i don't know
[01:38] < chrisime> push_back () is to put stuff in
[01:38] < Mike1> th ok thanks :)
[01:38] < chrisime> and how can i get it again?
[01:38] < WKaibigan> [anders] has been working with Gnome 2 I believe.
[01:38] < th> WKaibigan: i'd prefer it ways more functional ;)
[01:39] < th> WKaibigan: i have nothing about a spacy design
[01:39] < Mike1> WKaibigan: yes but i mean as in the cvs tree
[01:39] < th> WKaibigan: but i dont like it if there is no functionality
[01:39] < Mike1> WKaibigan: i am working on gnome2
[01:39] < th> WKaibigan: i don't like blinking lights that much
[01:39] < th> WKaibigan: space panel is a good start
[01:39] < chrisime> anyone?
[01:41] < WKaibigan> The Space Case shows though that you are limited only by your imagination if you are able to build a case yourself.
[01:51] < th> damn. now that i removed that i486 iso yesterday i need i today
[01:52] < WKaibigan> Time to go. Bye for now.
[01:52] < th> later WKaibigan
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[02:00] < _NULL> gn8.
[02:00] < Mike1> n8 sandra
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[03:54] < esden> re hi all
[03:54] < esden> is someane awake ?
[03:55] < th> ack
[03:55] < _NULL> hmm... jo
[03:55] < esden> hehe ... cool thing
[03:56] < esden> I am back from a party that turned out to be hell
[03:56] < _NULL> why hell?
[03:56] < esden> now I am drunk ... and stoned
[03:56] < esden> or rocked ;-)
[03:56] < _NULL> *lol*
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[04:21] < _NULL> cold wind blowing / cold ice snowing / light blue longing / my heart stops running / there's no place to hide
[04:22] < Mike1> _NULL: a pome or a song?
[04:22] < Mike1> poem*
[04:22] < _NULL> song
[04:22] < _NULL> maximilian hecker - cold wind blowing
[04:22] < Mike1> _NULL: ok
[04:23] < _NULL> that's so great song... hmm... the whole cd's great... :-/
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[04:36]   owl is listening to: cannibal corpse - hung and bled
[04:36] < owl> yeahaw! let's rock!
[04:36]   Mike1 listening to korn - Blind!
[04:39]   th hoert im geiste "Virus of the mind"
[04:39] < owl> th: heather nova?
[04:39]   esden reading diffs between two snaps of 1.7
[04:39] < th> jo
[04:40] < owl> hmm...
[04:41] < owl> zu soft heute.
[04:43]   th mags sft.
[04:43] < th> o
[04:43] < owl> *loool*
[04:45] < th> eyy du lachst mich aus
[04:45] < th> frechheit
[04:46] < owl> jo. ich bin gemein. ich bin 3v1l. ich weiss. :PPPP
[04:46] < th> dann geh ich lieber in mein bett...
[04:46] < th> das hat mich lieb ;)
[04:46] < owl> hach, das leben ist geil. das gefaellt mir jetzt so.
[04:47] < owl> haha :P
[04:47] < th> seltsame wendungen, die du heute machst
[04:47] < owl> jo.
[04:47]   owl succeeded in destroying her brain.
[04:47] < th> hmm. nice
[04:48] < owl> jo. jetzt gibt's noch meine kisten und mich. gut so.
[04:48] < th> deine kisten?
[04:48]   owl knuddelt mal ihren k0y0r0
[04:48] < owl> j0. klar. meine schaetze.
[04:48] < th> k0y0r0?
[04:48]   th ist verwirrt.
[04:48] < owl> meine workstation
[04:49] < th> ach _kisten_
[04:49] < owl> ja. kisten. ned _kisten_ was denkst du denn?
[04:49]   th geht jetz jedenfalls von der kiste in die kiste.
[04:50] < owl> *lol* have fun with you pillow.
[04:50] < th> ETA of SO "few days"
[04:50] < th> :-p
[04:51] < owl> gn8 th
[04:51] < th> jo n8
[04:52] < esden> n8 th
[04:53] < Mike1> gutte nacht th
[04:54] < th> Mike1: s,gutte,gute,
[04:54] < th> Mike1: und danke :)
[04:55]   esden is being ignored ...
[04:55] < th> n8 auch dir esden
[04:55]   Mike1 is not ignoring esden
[04:56] < esden> n8 th
[04:56] < esden> ;-)
[04:56] < th> *detach*
[04:56]   esden feels now much better
[04:56] < owl> :) well, esden.
[05:00]   owl ozzy osbourne - junkie
[05:24] < Mike1> good n8 all
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[05:25] < esden> n8 @ all
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[05:27] < owl> gn8. cu
[07:08] < huebi> moin
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[12:20] < blindcoder> moin
[12:34] < huebi> hi blindcoder
[12:35] < blindcoder> wow, there's actually someone here :-)
[12:35] < blindcoder> hi huebi
[12:35] < huebi> blindcoder: Did you get DOOM running under Linux?
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[12:40] < blindcoder> huebi: didn't try doom, but DeusEx works like a charm
[12:40] < blindcoder> still have some probs with Dungeon Keeper, but I keep trying on Duke3D
[12:51] < blindcoder> okay, 'm cgoing to continue work on duke (and doom if i find it somewhere :)
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[12:55] < SMP> kewl
[12:55] < huebi> hi SMP
[12:55] < SMP> world.wronline.de is now world.cabal1.net
[12:55] < huebi> Why
[12:56] < SMP> getting rid of wronline.de for private use
[13:12] < SMP> LocalHero: download.rocklinux.de is already in use. but I could fix iso.rocklinux.de or isoarchive.rocklinux.de or about anything else. I'm open for suggestions from everyone
[13:14] < huebi> iso.rocklinux.de would be nice.
[13:15] < LocalHero> SMP, iso.rocklinux.de sounds like a nice name :)
[13:17] < SMP> it's in.
[13:17] < huebi> kool
[13:20]   huebi having lunch. cu in an hour or so..
[13:23] < LocalHero> SMP, Wow, thanx :)
[13:32] < LocalHero> Have to go, bye all and thanx smp
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[13:38] < owl> good morning
[13:51] < tomik> good
[14:21] < huebi> re
[14:22] < owl> re huebi
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[14:26] < huebi> moin Ge0rG ;-)
[14:26] < huebi> owl: egal!
[14:27] < owl> huebi: nope. heute nicht mehr. heute: sch..egal. :PPP
[14:27] < huebi> owl: Warum? *wunder*
[14:28] < owl> ach nix... :P
[14:28] < Ge0rG> hi huebi
[14:29] < huebi> Na, Ge0rG. Wie kommst du vorwaerts mit der Krups?
[14:29] < Ge0rG> huebi: seit doom und mplayer noch nix weiter dran gemacht ;)
[14:31] < huebi> Hast du eine URL fuer die Doom Sourcen? Ich habe das heute frueh mal versucht auf PC, hat aber die "doom3.wad" gesucht und auch andere nicht gefunden.
[14:32] < Ge0rG> huebi: ich hab sdl und lsdldoom kompiliert.
[14:32] < Ge0rG> huebi: du brauchst aber nen kernel-patch, weil das palette-handling vom vanilla-2.4.18 kaputt ist
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[14:35]   Ge0rG müsste den patch nur mal generieren ;)
[14:35] < huebi> Ge0rG: das waere klasse
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[14:38] < Ge0rG> huebi: https://morbo.boerde.de/~georg/igafb-palettefix.diff für 2.4.18
[14:39] < Ge0rG> (aber ich glaub kaum, dass sich seit 1998 irgendwas am igafb getan hat ;))
[14:39] < huebi> saauuuug
[14:39] < Ge0rG> huebi: bugreports zu mich! :)
[14:40] < huebi> Ge0rG: ACK
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[15:09] < th> re
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[15:09] < th> Ge0rG: aehm der applied auch auf 19rc3?
[15:10] < Ge0rG> th: sag du es mir
[15:10] < th> kann grad nich
[15:11] < Ge0rG> th: dann ist die information ob
[15:11] < Ge0rG> +er applied auch im moment nicht relevant?
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[15:35] < LocalHero> Hmm, im looking at the http rfc. Does anybody know the command to send to the httpd server to get the size of a file?
[15:54] < Ge0rG> LocalHero: HEAD /path HTTP/1.0\r\n\r\n
[16:03] < LocalHero> Ge0rG, ahh, thanx, i missed the http thing :)
[16:03] < Ge0rG> :)
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[16:37] < LocalHero> ge0rg, Thanx again, now i got the file size on http to work on the iso site :)
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[16:57] < [anders]> mmm.. I have been doing some stuff on Gnome2.. but that has been outside of the ROCK build environment.. I was only trying to get it to build and at the moment, it works pretty well.. :)
[16:58] < owl> cu later
[16:59] < [anders]> I'll be doing the rest of the work putting it into the proper build and taking the bits out from Gnome 1.4 that then no longer is needed..
[16:59] < [anders]> there is a lot of stuff that needs doing there, as some bits will be required from Gnome 1.4 to build apps that isn't yet using gtk+ 2.0
[17:01] < [anders]> cya later owl
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[17:20] < tsa> tag
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[17:21] < tsa> arghs
[17:22] < tsa> ...verklickt.
[17:26] < blindcoder> hi hi and rehi
[17:27] < owl> hi blindcoder
[17:29] < snyke> hihu blindcoder
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[17:39] < oversize> hi
[17:39] < owl> hi oversize
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[17:42] < owl> cu later
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[18:05] < plfiorini> hi there
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[18:21] < th> moin
[18:21] < th> LILO SUCKS!
[18:22] < th> LI 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 99 ... i *hate* that
[18:22] < huebi> th and grub?
[18:22] < plfiorini> th: use grub
[18:22] < th> i have to check some alternatives now
[18:22] < th> you all say i should test grub?
[18:23] < plfiorini> yes
[18:23] < th> ok
[18:23] < plfiorini> lilo sucks a lot imho
[18:23] < plfiorini> folks, i could not understand if on rocks i can create binary packages in a format like .deb or .rpm
[18:23] < huebi> grub seems to be much betteer - more like SILO or MILO
[18:24] < huebi> plfiorini: only tar.bz2
[18:24] < plfiorini> huebi: but... binary?
[18:24] < plfiorini> or only sources
[18:24] < th> binary
[18:24] < plfiorini> yeah
[18:24] < plfiorini> are they like slack tgz?
[18:24] < huebi> plfiorini: dont know.
[18:25] < plfiorini> huebi: btw i download the iso of 1.5 :)
[18:25] < plfiorini> i have an empty partition
[18:25] < th> For now, GNU GRUB is not released publicly yet...
[18:25] < huebi> https://rocklinux.dyndns.org/howtos/INSTALL
[18:25] < plfiorini> hrm
[18:25] < th> plfiorini: yes they are
[18:26] < plfiorini> th: ok
[18:26] < plfiorini> huebi: thanks
[18:26] < th> plfiorini: but without that META-stuff
[18:26] < plfiorini> i want a totally customized distro
[18:26] < plfiorini> th: i'll study it
[18:26] < plfiorini> and next week i must install a desktop system to a friend so i need the latest packages
[18:27] < plfiorini> woody doesn't has latest but it is stable
[18:27] < huebi> plfiorini: You can do with ROCK Linux all modifications you want.
[18:27] < th> anyone lots of grub experience?
[18:27] < plfiorini> rh based sucks for me
[18:27] < huebi> th: no
[18:27] < plfiorini> huebi: yeah it is why i need rock
[18:27] < plfiorini> th: here
[18:28] < plfiorini> th: i have not a lot of experience but i know grub
[18:28] < th> plfiorini: ok.
[18:28] < plfiorini> th: i use grub since 1 year
[18:29] < th> plfiorini: have scsi configuration here... /dev/sda2 is my current root.
[18:29] < plfiorini> th: w/ grub you can boot all the kernels
[18:29] < th> plfiorini: soo root shall be sdb2
[18:29] < th> s,soo,soon,
[18:29] < plfiorini> th: after grub make install you should do this:
[18:29] < plfiorini> cp -avf /usr/lib/grub/i386 /boot/grub
[18:30] < plfiorini> s/i386/i386-pc/
[18:30] < th> plfiorini: is that a must?
[18:30] < plfiorini> th: yes because you need /boot/grub
[18:30] < th> plfiorini: i want to have it in /mnt/tmp/boot/grub where /mnt/tmp is the future root
[18:30] < plfiorini> ok
[18:31] < th> plfiorini: so grub knows my filesystem and searches for /boot/grub ?
[18:31] < plfiorini> hrm
[18:31] < plfiorini> th: i dunno
[18:31] < plfiorini> th: i ever used /boot/grub
[18:31] < th> plfiorini: does grub read my filesystem?
[18:31] < th> (at boot time)
[18:31] < plfiorini> th: it read /boot/grub/menu.lst
[18:31] < th> therefore it needs to read filesystem
[18:31] < th> ok
[18:32] < plfiorini> yes
[18:32] < th> and which /boot/grub/menu.lst does it read?
[18:32] < th> i have plenty of discs/partitions in here
[18:32] < plfiorini> the menu.lst on your current partition
[18:33] < plfiorini> th: btw you don't need tu run grub at every when you modify /boot/grub/menu.lst unlike lio
[18:33] < th> plfiorini: but that partition is reiserfs.
[18:33] < plfiorini> th: it supports reiserfs
[18:33] < plfiorini> th: i have reiserfs
[18:33] < plfiorini> after cp -avf things you should edit /boot/grub/device.map
[18:33] < th> plfiorini: but i could boot my new system from floppy-disk and install grub then
[18:33] < plfiorini> (fd0) /dev/fd0
[18:33] < plfiorini> (hd0) /dev/hda
[18:33] < plfiorini> this is mine
[18:34] < plfiorini> yes
[18:34] < plfiorini> th: if you must install you should do grub-install /dev/hda
[18:34] < plfiorini> so it'll install itself on the mbr
[18:35] < th> huebi: is there grub in base on 1.5.17?
[18:35] < plfiorini> th: your device.map should be
[18:35] < plfiorini> (hd0) /dev/sdb
[18:35] < plfiorini> scuse me /dev/sda instead
[18:36] < th> but /dev/sdb will be the first disc on boot
[18:36] < huebi> th: jo, it is
[18:36] < th> huebi: cool
[18:37] < th> plfiorini: so grub needs to install itself to /dev/sdb
[18:37] < plfiorini> th: hrm ok then i have read right
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[18:39] < th> /usr/lib/grub does not exist after ake install
[18:39] < th> /usr/lib/grub does not exist after ake install
[18:39] < th> oups
[18:39] < plfiorini> th: hrm i have it in debian
[18:39] < plfiorini> th: i dunno what ./configure parameters debian maintainer use
[18:40] < plfiorini> th: have you install it in /usr of /usr/local?
[18:40] < th> seems lile /usr/local
[18:40] < plfiorini> try cd /usr/local/lib/grub ; ls -al
[18:40] < th> no
[18:40] < plfiorini> it can be in /usr/share
[18:40] < th> find is running
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root           30 Jul 23 00:05 device.map
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7904 Jul 23 00:05 e2fs_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7440 Jul 23 00:05 fat_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         6912 Jul 23 00:05 ffs_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         8640 Jul 23 00:05 jfs_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         2145 Jul 26 22:41 menu.lst
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         7104 Jul 23 00:05 minix_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         9568 Jul 23 00:05 reiserfs_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root          512 Jul 23 00:05 stage1
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root        95712 Jul 23 00:05 stage2
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         6560 Jul 23 00:05 vstafs_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> -rw-r--r--    1 root     root         9320 Jul 23 00:05 xfs_stage1_5
[18:41] < plfiorini> th: search one of this files w/ find
[18:41] < th> /usr/local/share/grub
[18:41] < plfiorini> in the sources tree
[18:41] < th> find / -name grub
[18:41] < th> ;)
[18:41] < plfiorini> :P
[18:42] < plfiorini> argh! i need an dual x86-64
[18:42] < th> plfiorini: so i can copy it to /mnt/tmp/boot/grub instead?
[18:42] < plfiorini> th: yes
[18:42] < th> let's test /boot/grub for now
[18:42] < plfiorini> hhe
[18:43] < plfiorini> th: i am not 100% sure because i used to install it in /boot/grub
[18:43] < plfiorini> th: but it can work imho
[18:43] < th> (fd0) /dev/fd0
[18:43] < th> (hd0) /dev/sda
[18:43] < th> (hd1) /dev/sdb
[18:43] < plfiorini> th: ok that's right
[18:44] < plfiorini> th: wait i cat /boot/grub/menu.lst
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[18:44] < plfiorini> default1
[18:44] < plfiorini> timeout5
[18:44] < plfiorini> color cyan/blue white/blue
[18:44] < th> are these tabs?
[18:44] < plfiorini> kopt=root=/dev/hda1 ro ide0=ata66 ide1=ata66
[18:44] < plfiorini> th: tabs? what do you mean?
[18:44] < th> tII1
[18:44] < th> 18:44:20 < plfiorini> defaultII1
[18:45] < th> 18:44:25 < plfiorini> timeoutII5
[18:45] < plfiorini> th: yes
[18:45] < plfiorini> th: xchat2 sucks
[18:45] < th> Irssi 0.8.5 (20020313) - https://irssi.org/
[18:45] < plfiorini> th: i must hack it and put vte
[18:45] < plfiorini> th: blah! ;)
[18:45] < plfiorini> titleDebian GNU/Linux, kernel 2.4.18-bf2.4
[18:45] < plfiorini> root(hd0,1)
[18:45] < plfiorini> kernel/boot/vmlinuz-2.4.18-bf2.4
[18:45] < plfiorini> savedefault
[18:46] < th> 1 is the partition?
[18:46] < plfiorini> th: you should edit as your needs my configuration
[18:46] < th> 18:45:43 < plfiorini> rootII(hd0,1)
[18:46] < plfiorini> th: nope
[18:46] < th> oups
[18:46] < plfiorini> th: root (hd0,1) is the 2nd part
[18:46] < plfiorini> ition
[18:46] < th> yes
[18:47] < plfiorini> th: /dev/hda1 -> (hd0,0)
[18:47] < th> but the "1" stands for part1 (2nd)
[18:47] < th> of course 0 would be the first
[18:47] < plfiorini> yes
[18:47] < plfiorini> ok i need to quit
[18:47] < plfiorini> th: plfiorini@supereva.it
[18:47] < plfiorini> th: tell me if you have problems
[18:47] < th> thanks
[18:47] < plfiorini> i am sorry
[18:47] < plfiorini> n/p
[18:47] < th> i'll
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[18:48] < th> good boy
[18:58] < th> ok let's try
[19:01] < [anders]> grub's nice.. I would not go back to LILO anytime soon.. I suffer it for as long as it takes me to get and install grub..
[19:01] < [anders]> best thing is, grub will allow you MD5 encrypted password.. Lilo doesn't..
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[19:06] < huebi> [anders]: And grub can read the filesystem...
[19:07] < [anders]> huebi: indeed.. (soz, was reading /.)
[19:08] < [anders]> The best things about grub is that booting a new kernel is easy, even if it isn't in the list.. Just open a command-line when in the grub boot screen and away you go..
[19:09] < [anders]> I might be mistaken, but I think you even can add the lines you set then to the menu.lst file from the grub shell..
[19:13] < [anders]> what's on ports 4000-4003 UDP ?
[19:17]   [anders] humms and looks in /etc/services.. Some really odd ports being scanned and poked recently..
[19:17] < [anders]> Like port 50505 for example.. What on earth did they expect to find on that port???
[19:19] < huebi> [anders]: A trijan horse?
[19:19] < huebi> s/i/o/
[19:35] < [anders]> huebi: possibly.. I guess they are getting frustrated that there is a box there, but ping and traceroute doesn't work and anything else than ports 22 and 80 doesn't return any info..
[19:37] < huebi> hehe
[19:39] < [anders]> going to button down the laptop as well.. taking away access to smtp and ntp on this box..
[19:44] < [anders]> no need to let people talk to sendmail when there isn't a single MX record for the box.. ;-)
[19:47] < huebi> [anders]: o_O I remember that I have to do some things on my gateway...
[19:49] < [anders]> huebi: well, I have buttoned down as much as I can. I allow outbound connections, incoming related and incoming new on ports 22, 80 (and 6699 on laptop)
[19:49] < [anders]> that's tcp connections. I allow incoming on port 53 udp as well..
[19:50] < [anders]> and that is only on the laptop... bind itself then decides who to talk to..
[19:53]   [anders] is going to do some washing up now.. In preparation for dinner later on..
[19:54] < [anders]> I think there will be some Cajun Chicken Curry later on.. With jasmine rice and perhaps some fresh peppers diced in as well.. *yummy*
[19:56] < [anders]> hmmm.. librarian.library.iisc.ernet.in. wanted to talk to port 111 on this box.. Interesting..
[19:59]   [anders] would like a tool to automatically scan anyone that scans me.. Probably possible to script something like that..
[20:00] < tsa> hm..
[20:00] < tsa> portsentry/hostsentry might be able to do this.
[20:00] < tsa> there's packages in 1.7 for those, don't know about 1.5
[20:01] < [anders]> portsentry I have taken a look at. you can automatically trigger and launch scripts/commands with that..
[20:02] < [anders]> One example I saw was to have portsentry automatically add the ip of the 'attacker' to a chain in iptables denying further access..
[20:02] < [anders]> Only problem with that is if you are working on your box remotely and accidently lock yourself out..
[20:03] < [anders]> So you would have to scripts things a bit better, add the ip you are denying to a file somewhere and also when you denied it. Then have a script run every hour that removes the denied ip's from file and iptables once the entry is older than say two hours..
[20:04] < tsa> afaik, you can specify some special ip addresses that will never get blocked at all..
[20:04] < [anders]> stops scriptkiddies I'd guess and allows you a chance to talk to your own box again after a while..
[20:05] < [anders]> tsa: true.. but you might not always know the external gw's/pix's ip in advance..
[20:05] < [anders]> anyways.. time to do the washing up.. :)
[20:06] < tsa> hehe
[20:06] < tsa> have fun.. ;)
[20:10] < [anders]> Oh, I will.. :)
[20:10]   [anders] bought a new shaver today.. A self-cleaning Braun.. Very nice and shaves well it does too.. :-D
[20:11] < th> GRUB ROCKS!
[20:11] < th> it's just ... ... SUPERIOR.
[20:12] < tsa> erhm....it's just a bootloader..
[20:12] < th> hmm well
[20:12] < th> you are right ;)
[20:12] < th> but i wasn't able to boot that machine with lilo
[20:12] < th> i was used to lilo before
[20:12] < tsa> hm...how come?
[20:12] < tsa> what did it say?
[20:13] < th> tsa: strange thing. have to scsi controllers...
[20:13] < th> tsa: dawicontrol and icp vorte
[20:13] < th> x
[20:13] < th> the icp is new
[20:13] < th> but the icp forces it's disc to be first for bios
[20:14] < th> after linux is up (from floppy)
[20:14] < tsa> urgh...icp vortex..
[20:14] < th> sda is the dawi
[20:14] < th> sdb is the icp
[20:14] < th> tsa: what's the problem with icp?
[20:14] < th> and when i try to install lilo lilo does something wrong.
[20:14] < tsa> th: we have two of those at work...
[20:14] < th> boot = /dev/sdb (because this will be first disc on boot time)
[20:15] < th> lilo warns that this isn't the first disc. which is not really correct
[20:15] < tsa> one of them refused to rebuild a disk in a radi5
[20:15] < th> but anyways boot fails with LI 99 99 99 ...
[20:15] < tsa> raid5
[20:15] < th> grub is just great as it is able to really read my filesystem
[20:16] < tsa> the other one had it's own idea of how our data had to be stored, messing up the other raid5 ..
[20:17] < tsa> the first thing was a firmware issue, this should be resolved by now..
[20:17] < tsa> dunno about the other one.
[20:20] < th> lilo is just a dumb crap
[20:20] < th> grub has command-line
[20:20] < th> grub can install itself at boot-time
[20:22] < tsa> i know.
[20:22] < tsa> i don't need a command line. all i need is something acting as a boot loader.
[20:23] < tsa> if it's able to boot my kernel, i'm all fine.
[20:23] < tsa> i don't use windoze, so i don't even need dual boot
[20:24] < tsa> the only advantage i see with grub is that you don't have to re-run it when inodes of the kernel image on disk have changed.
[20:28] < th> well lilo was not able to boot my kernel in the configuration described above
[20:28] < tsa> ok, that's indeed a good reason to use grub..
[20:28] < tsa> ;)
[20:29] < tsa> as long as it's able to boot my system, i don't see a reason to switch.. ;)
[20:30] < th> but now as i have found a reason. i see no reason to switch back
[20:30] < tsa> hehe..ok
[20:32] < tsa> gone for a while...descent3
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[21:13] < tsa> re
[21:15] < praenti> esden: ?
[21:15] < praenti> hi
[21:16] < tsa> hi praenti
[21:27] < praenti> blindcoder: da?
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[21:42] < owl> re
[21:43] < tomik> wb
[22:07] < [anders]> I really need to take a good look at spam-assassin and also dyndns and get host-names pointing to my ip-adresses.
[22:07] < [anders]> moin all
[22:07] < owl> hi [anders]
[22:07] < [anders]> moin owl
[22:07] < [anders]> Does anyone have 1st hand knowledge of spam assassin?
[22:08] < huebi> SMP knows a really good programm to fight spam. But I forgot the name
[22:08]   [anders] wants something to filter incoming e-mail. Mail is picked up with fetchmail and injected to sendmail on localhost..
[22:08] < [anders]> So anything that plugs in to sendmail should work..
[22:08] < tsa> [anders]: uh? why sendmail on localhost?
[22:09] < [anders]> tsa: I use it to send e-mail outbound..
[22:09] < tsa> spamassasin can be used in your ~/.procmailrc
[22:09] < tsa> [anders]: sure, but why does your fetchmail deliver to your local sendmail?
[22:10] < [anders]> sendmail can rewrite the envelope and from: address. That's how I fix my e-mail addy.. :)
[22:10] < tsa> for mail that is sent _to_ you?
[22:10] < tsa> interesting.
[22:10] < [anders]> tsa: not for incoming e-mail..
[22:11] < [anders]> tsa: for outbound e-mail.. you reckon I should run sendmail from inetd instead?
[22:11] < tsa> hm..no.
[22:11] < tsa> i use a sendmail listening on loopback interface to send out mail.
[22:11] < tsa> and fetchmail for getting my mail, with procmail for delivery..
[22:11] < [anders]> hmm.. I have to get spam-assassin and look through docs then for how to plug it in to the .procmailrc...
[22:12] < tsa> no need to use sendmail for mails that are to be delivered locally..
[22:12] < [anders]> tsa: aahh, I know fetchmail can do that.. I'll check the settings for fetchmail then..
[22:12] < tsa> it's easy..
[22:13] < tsa> bla bla bla options fetchall
[22:13] < tsa> mda "/usr/bin/procmail -d %T"
[22:14] < [anders]> tsa: modding .procmailrc now.. :)
[22:14] < tsa> hehe, ok
[22:14] < [anders]> err .fetchmailrc I mean of course..
[22:15] < [anders]> tsa: does this need to be set for each line ?
[22:15] < tsa> for each server you're polling..
[22:16] < [anders]> tsa: which is a few... Ok.. Done that, stopping/starting fetchmail now..
[22:16] < tsa> ok.
[22:16] < tsa> spamassasin:
[22:16] < [anders]> yes please.. :)
[22:16] < tsa> :0fw
[22:16] < tsa> | /usr/local/SpamAssassin/spamassassin -P -c /usr/local/SpamAssassin/rules
[22:16] < tsa> :0:
[22:16] < tsa> * ^X-Spam-Status: Yes
[22:16] < tsa> caughtspam
[22:18] < [anders]> tsa: that's all that is needed? A friend of mine said he fought with it for hours as it managed to create a mail-loop for him..
[22:19] < tsa> [anders]: yes, that's it. just insert this in your ~/.procmailrc ..
[22:20] < tsa> you're still free to create custom mail loops in your procmailrc if you want to..
[22:20] < [anders]> tsa: cheers mate.. :) Is there any other modding of the spam-assassin install required? Like a file containing 'allowed' to addresses?
[22:20] < [anders]> tsa: *g*
[22:21] < tsa> have a look at the rules/ directory ..
[22:22] < [anders]> tsa: ok.. will do.. when I finally manages to connect to spamassassin.org.. the site seems to be off the net at the very moment.. :-/
[22:22] < tsa> hehe
[22:25] < [anders]> mamma mia, it is a cow!! ;-) (gf has a sandwich toaster that looks like a cow..)
[22:28]   praenti is going to bed. gn8
[22:29] < owl> gn8 praenti
[22:32] < [anders]> nighty night praenti
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[22:51] < ripclaw> helo
[22:51] < tsa> hi ripclaw
[22:52] < [anders]> moin ripclaw
[22:52] < huebi> MOIN ripclaw
[22:52] < owl> tach ripclaw
[22:52] < ripclaw> moin huebi !
[22:53] < ripclaw> huebi: gibts irgendwelche anzeichen das das boot-floppy image von dem 1.5.17-586 image defekt war ? oder ist meine floppy drv defekt ?
[22:53] < ripclaw> helo world
[22:54] < ripclaw> bekomme beim booten immer Error: 0x10
[22:54] < huebi> und booten von cd?
[22:54] < ripclaw> geht auf der dualbox nicht.
[22:54] < huebi> warum?
[22:55] < ripclaw> bios
[22:55] < huebi> upgrade.
[22:55] < ripclaw> hast du evtl. mal aktuelle ?oot-disk.img ?
[22:55] < huebi> noe nichts neueres.
[22:55] < ripclaw> huebi - das ist das aktuellste bios fuer die kiste - die ist seit 1999 EOL, und zu schade zum wegwerfen.
[22:56] < ripclaw> memory und cpu sind getestet & ok
[22:57] < huebi> scsi cdrom for boot?
[22:57] < ripclaw> kann der interne controller nicht.
[22:57] < ripclaw> scsi yes, scsi cdrom yes.
[22:57] < huebi> sis 6226externer controller?
[22:57] < ripclaw> nein modifizierter aha 7880
[22:58] < huebi> und ein externer controller?
[22:58] < ripclaw> wird ueber onboard bios aufgesetzt, cdrom boot nicht togglebar auf no
[22:58] < ripclaw> hat nur 4 pci slots die ich waehrend dem install brauche.
[22:58]   [anders] is enjoying a nice Kronenbourg 1664 right now..
[22:59]   huebi having a Beck's
[22:59] < ripclaw> ausser wir haben irgendwo noch ein cdboot faehiges ISA-card...
[22:59]   ripclaw has no beer to enjoy
[22:59] < huebi> ripclaw: come and get a bootable controller or let us setup the box here.
[23:00] < ripclaw> huebi - haben wir die bootable floppy-images im netz ?
[23:00] < ripclaw> dann schreib ich mir ein neues, evtl hatte die cd dort einen macken oder sowas.
[23:00] < tsa> bier ist ne idee.
[23:00] < ripclaw> mom.
[23:00] < huebi> the cd is ok.
[23:00]   ripclaw sucht seine alten boot flopies
[23:01] < ripclaw> hrmpf
[23:01] < tsa> prost.
[23:02] < tsa> floppies verstecken sich gerne, wenn man sie braucht.
[23:02] < tsa> oder verwirren den suchenden durch herdenbildung.
[23:02] < [anders]> tsa: skål :)
[23:02] < snyke> hrhr
[23:02] < snyke> wie wahr wie wahr
[23:02] < [anders]> moin snyke
[23:02] < tsa> [anders]: ;)
[23:03] < snyke> moin ^^
[23:03] < ripclaw> meine sind hartnaeckig, versteckte herden,,...
[23:04] < ripclaw> grml. will nicht nochmal anziehen und raus ....
[23:07] < huebi> ripclaw: come on ;-))
[23:08] < ripclaw> huebi: ich haeng jetzt schon auf dem zahnfleisch, wenn ich mich noch aufraff und rueberkomme, pack ichs nicht mehr vor 12 ins bett,
[23:08] < ripclaw> und dann fuehl ich mich morgen noch beschissener als samstag.
[23:08] < huebi> ROCK Linux needs only 8min to copy...
[23:09] < ripclaw> huebi: 586 image ?
[23:10] < ripclaw> huebi: hast du 586 image da ?
[23:10] < huebi> jo
[23:11] < ripclaw> ack.
[23:11]   ripclaw sucht schraubenzieher.
[23:13] < [anders]> ripclaw: screwdriver ?
[23:13] < huebi> [anders]: ack
[23:15] < [anders]> huebi: meine deutsch 'is coming along'... nicht schnell..
[23:15] < [anders]> *laugh*
[23:15] < huebi> hehe
[23:16] < [anders]> how would you say 'is coming along' in the sense that it is the language skills..?
[23:19]   [anders] <-- off to bed..
[23:19] < [anders]> night night alles..
[23:19] < huebi> good night [anders]
[23:19] < owl> gn8 [anders]
[23:19]   huebi installing Quake2
[23:19] < [anders]> ~~~
[23:20] < tsa> huebi: on linux?
[23:21] < huebi> no, on Windows. I have to test 3 Voodoo2 and 2 Voodoo1 cards.
[23:21] < tsa> ah.
[23:22] < tsa> ./topic huebi uses windows
[23:22] < huebi> After that on linux - if I get the joystickport working
[23:24] < tsa> huebi: you want this: https://staff.xmms.org/zinx/q2hack/q2hack-0.0.5.tar.gz
[23:25] < tsa> won't run fullscreen, otherwise.
[23:26] < huebi> tsa: thanks
[23:32] < tsa> no problem..
[23:33] < huebi> ripclaw: do come over?
[23:33] < tsa> $ ls /vol/games/
[23:33] < tsa> bin  descent3  loki  quake2  quake3  smac  ut  wolfenstein
[23:33] < tsa> ;-)
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[23:34] < plfiorini> hi
[23:34] < huebi> tsa: hmm I thing I have to consult you a little bit more about games in the future. ;-)
[23:35] < tsa> hehe
[23:40] < ripclaw> huebi: still no screwdriver.
[23:41] < ripclaw> huebi: probably tomorrow.
[23:44] < huebi> ripclaw: what do you need a screwwdriver for?
[23:45] < ripclaw> removing the disk for easy carrying ?
[23:46] < tsa> hm..
[23:48] < huebi> ripclaw: you are strong enough to get it into your car as a whole.
[23:50] < tsa> hehe
[23:50] < tsa> *gaehn*
[23:50]   tsa going to sleep..having to get up early tomorrow..
[23:50] < ripclaw> if i`m that ignorant and stupid already, i should not be driving. i guess i go for sleep right now. huebi - can i have you on a private chan pls ?
[23:50] < tsa> cu all.
[23:50] < owl> ciao tsa
[23:51] < tsa> have fun with your private date ;-)
[23:51] < tsa> n8
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[23:52] < ripclaw> i gonna install the box later and go to bed now. sorry, folks.
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